It's LE only meaning. Law Enforcement has been showing interest in breaching doors lately, I wouldn't get too excited if you're a pro-2A pro-freedom American.
@@MrSwccguyor he can tell you how cool it would be to own and shoot and short barrel shotgun just because it’s meant for breaching doesn’t mean people are willing to buy it for breaching in the market 🤦🏽♂️
@@publicpersuaders I was only able to get it up to ~300º workable temp in the oven. I'm sure if I had used a torch things would've gone better. Oh well. After much cursing and brute force I got the mag follower out.
I'd agree. I just want some of the new features, like the safety or magazine guide, on a "more legal" shockwave/full-size shotgun. I'm not a fan of the single piece barrel, tho, I feel like a strength of using a shotgun is the adaptability of the platform, and non-swappable chokes doesn't play well with that MO.
@@SurmaSampo excellent point. Probably not much of an issue if used as intended (something you won't likely put many rounds through because it's only for breaching doors). As a primary, it would suck because you can't store a lot of these unless you want a jangly duffle bag, and it probably takes a tole shooting a lot of these.
Spooky bois: “ we want a short semi auto breacher.” Mossberg : “ lmao ; Get McFuqed … we can make a mag fed compact breacher. Take it or leave it.” Spooky bois: “Lmao; aight fuqer we’ll take it!”
It sounds like a lot more useful than what PTR is doing by sawing down Mossberg 88s. The breaching choke device is also a good touch since it digs into wood well, I've nicked a good piece of my door once with mine 😂.
@@LyleH-13 actually they're unobtainum. Waaay better than a double stack fat boy. Also, it's not hard to modify saiga mags to go in the Valtro, so I imagine I've got some drummies with a little work.
The picatinny trail is for the light/laser. Flashlight is extremely important on a breaching shotgun. On a gun that small the only place you can put it is on top of the receiver. If you put it on the barrel it will get in the way against the door. No point in putting sites on such a short shotgun.
I had an idea for a breacher variant of the Mossberg 590M a few months ago. I had the idea because I'd seen several videos of people who served in the US military bemoaning the replacement of the Mossberg 590 with the M26. A modified 590M seemed like the obvious solution. Little did I know, Mossberg had been working on that exact thing for years. I'm still surprised it wasn't at the request of the US military, though.
My appreciation is that you would only get to breach 3 doors with a full mag and one in the tube if you have to hit 2 hinges, and IIRC, breachers usually have the tube empty for safety reasons until they hit a door. So 2 doors with hinges or 5 for locking mechanisms (door knobs/deadbolts). Not a lot, which is why this makes so much sense.
@Kesssuli in what world does a pistol grip suggest it should be redesignated from an "any other weapon."? A stock certainly would but not a pistol grip.
@@AJ-xc4nm Like removing normal stock from a shotgun will magically transform it to any other weapon. There are shitloads of things which doesnt make sense for relatively normal mind.
@Kesssuli yes but legally speaking there should be no historical reason why a 90° pistol grip would cause a problem. I definitely understand your "ATF makes no sense and does whatever anyways" argument but I was just speaking about how the rules exist as they are and have been.
He said “ when your making a semi-automatic this short , & your jamming it in things your going to run into problems “. Genesis arms gen-12 looks to be working just fine to me
This is similar to what I'm currently doing to my 590M: I have a 14" front end, Magpul furniture, and I'm planning a ghost ring/red dot set up and getting it threaded for Remchokes.
If that takes the existing 10, 15, 20 rd mags... it raises the bar farther. I like the birdshead version...the magazine frame addition to aid in loading the mag should be on both. That is very nice add.
I question the desire for a box magazine, but their customer knows what they want. My point of reference is a green beret, if the speculation on this being for the _other_ green berets then they have their own proceedures.
As an owner of Shockwaves and a Compact Cruiser I can tell you they may think they want that pistol grip but… The Compact Cruiser comes with the pistol grip. And it’s a wrist twister. Not pleasant to shoot. So having had experience with the Shockwave switched the Cruiser to a bird head which I highly modified. Shortened it so it was as long as the pistol grip protruded. Reduced the diameter for better grip with gloves on easier to get your hand around. Then retextured with stippling. Much better than the pistol grip. Reduced and textured the Shockwaves grips as well. The 590 barrel is so beefy there is plenty metal to thread the outside of the end of the barrel. And had it threaded for same thread pitch as the KSG. Now there is companies that make steel and aluminum muzzle breaks. I chose steel. But wait! There’s more! By doing this it allowed me to utilize the Silencerco KSG adapter for the Salvo 12 and you have a package on a Shockwave 38” long Suppressed 12 ga.
_Threading the _*_outside_*_ of a 590 barrel?!_ I didn't even consider that! The 590A1 AOW is cylinder bore and chromed so I thought I was boned. I'll have to look into that. Needs a stand-off device frfr
When are we going to design a mag fed shotgun from the ground up instead of having a vestigial empty steel mag tube and thick endcap still attached? We could lower the bore axis, better prevent touching a potentially hot barrel, and lighten it as implied, as well as reduce size for stowage and all.
FYI when breaching, the point man is carrying this weapon. Try not to break theirs when they come in, so you have one also. I suggest concussion charges when “stacking doors”. Semper fi. My MOUT is bigger than theirs.
The Mossberg Shockwave is pretty small and holds 5+1, requires no modification and costs $400. Then the pistol grip shotguns have been around forever and should also work just fine and are cheap too. Cool little touches on those two though
It would be an AOW. or possibly an SBS if it was built from a shotgun receiver. It would be awesome to have someone making factory AOW’s again now that Subaru stoped making the super Shorty.
The NFA defines shotguns as having stocks. These never did so they aren't SBSs. The whole reason the shockwave grip was invented though was to get around the minimum length requirement to not be a AOW
drool 🤤 BUT If the magazine hasn't changed, they take 2 3/4" cartridges, and they are vewy _vewy_ picky about the finished shell length they will eat. There is a difference between roll-crimped and star-crimped shells, for example. So what shotshells are specified? (plz)
The "ergo grip" screams SAS and UKSF because of its use on the C8 and LMT guns in inventory.
there are a lot of mil contract breacher shotguns coming out. what are they planning? iran or your own backyard?
@@cagneybillingsley2165a lot of potential places for urban combat nowadays
It has an nsn number defo uk sf
@@stiffchocolate7546 interesting
It's Israel duh
It's a breaching shotgun made for a British SF unit, highly likely the SAS or SBS
@@BasedPatriot-USA But not for the suppressors you're allowed to freely and cheaply have
@@BasedPatriot-USA lmfao
“I loik to keep this for close ‘ncounahs.”
I figured it was idf since they didn’t want to say it
@@BasedPatriot-USAUK has the highest censorship arrests in the world. But hey, the west is free, right...?
I’m a simple man, I see smol shotties, I watch 👌
That thing with a thin, flip out stock would be ballin
Then it would be an AOW or SB.
I'm sure/hope Chisel Machining will be on the case there. They already have a near ready solution.
I actually hope they bring this to market
It's LE only meaning. Law Enforcement has been showing interest in breaching doors lately, I wouldn't get too excited if you're a pro-2A pro-freedom American.
Please tell us about the doors you're taking down
@@MrSwccguyor he can tell you how cool it would be to own and shoot and short barrel shotgun just because it’s meant for breaching doesn’t mean people are willing to buy it for breaching in the market 🤦🏽♂️
Make it.
@@MrSwccguy. Please tell us who you are.
4:54 “Optic rail. [Because] you gotta mind your offset when shooting a door hinge [from point blank range].” lol 😂
this is for uk sf they aren't using these just for breaching like Americans
Friggin redcoats
put a m16 carry handle on it
I was thinking a hi lum spot light to blind opposition rather than a laser.
Mossberg should seriously consider selling these front ends to people that want to form 1 their own super shorties
I haven't successfully gotten a mag tube to loosen from a Mossy... rumor is it *can* be done.
But 100% agreed.
@@hateferlife it has red locktite , just heat it up a little
My thoughts exactly, SBS's are peak form 1, and this would be a great candidate.
@@publicpersuaders I was only able to get it up to ~300º workable temp in the oven. I'm sure if I had used a torch things would've gone better.
Oh well. After much cursing and brute force I got the mag follower out.
More like an AOW w/a $5 stamp
always appreciate the vendors talking about the engineering behind the design, are those the typical 590M mags?
they look like it
I think so
That safety should work its way into some regular models.
Nah
I'd like to see the new safety on a full size 590.
And slide release
I'd agree. I just want some of the new features, like the safety or magazine guide, on a "more legal" shockwave/full-size shotgun. I'm not a fan of the single piece barrel, tho, I feel like a strength of using a shotgun is the adaptability of the platform, and non-swappable chokes doesn't play well with that MO.
@@aaronpaine1053 When you have a barrel that short you don't need different chokes.
@@KaBar762 "on a "more legal" shockwave/full-size shotgun"
I feel like that new safety would only work well on a pistol gripped platform.
James could breach *my* door with a kind word...
Only if it’s a back door
It’s a cool development. Although the mag seems excessively big and bulky while only providing two additional rounds over traditional tube feeding.
The mag will probably have comparability with their larger 12ga shotgun mags
It's also faster to reload.
Breachers usually have their mag tubes empty until they are about to breach for safety so this may be better and more efficient
Ok, so the massive nutsack of a mag is bulky. How does it actually impact use as intended?
@@SurmaSampo excellent point. Probably not much of an issue if used as intended (something you won't likely put many rounds through because it's only for breaching doors). As a primary, it would suck because you can't store a lot of these unless you want a jangly duffle bag, and it probably takes a tole shooting a lot of these.
Spooky bois: “ we want a short semi auto breacher.”
Mossberg : “ lmao ; Get McFuqed … we can make a mag fed compact breacher. Take it or leave it.”
Spooky bois: “Lmao; aight fuqer we’ll take it!”
I played with the tan one and it was very cool. The action is extremely smooth.
the pic rail on top would probably have a light on it and the pump/slide would get a vertical grip.
Exactly. A breacher shotgun needs two firm handles/grips
It sounds like a lot more useful than what PTR is doing by sawing down Mossberg 88s. The breaching choke device is also a good touch since it digs into wood well, I've nicked a good piece of my door once with mine 😂.
So the contract price is around $75k USD each?
On a related note, they missed the opportunity to name it the "Lock Knocker".
Wait the Supreme Court said short barrel shotguns have no military purpose
Mossberg, put those out for the public, please
Mossberg makes these Breacher barrels in 18.5”
Yep, the Thunder Ranch 590 comes with one. I'm guessing Clint Smith wanted it on there for pain compliance.
This is badass. I’d like one.
Add A Magpul Stock & Form 1
It Into A SBS & Add A Streamlight TL-RACKER Forearm Light...
Reminds me of the Crusher shotgun from cyberpunk.
Mossberg should should sell these receivers
Psa is going to do it for them
WOW...very cool interview and very cool tools of the trade. Awesome.
Thanks for getting this interview. Well done.
Mossberg if you are reading this I was looking for this exact configuration as an aow. The market is there.
Gee, my pump shotgun has had a mag since the 80s.
*Laughs in Italian*
but is it double stack....
@@LyleH-13 actually they're unobtainum. Waaay better than a double stack fat boy.
Also, it's not hard to modify saiga mags to go in the Valtro, so I imagine I've got some drummies with a little work.
that's a home defense shotgun if I've ever seen one
The picatinny trail is for the light/laser. Flashlight is extremely important on a breaching shotgun. On a gun that small the only place you can put it is on top of the receiver. If you put it on the barrel it will get in the way against the door. No point in putting sites on such a short shotgun.
I had an idea for a breacher variant of the Mossberg 590M a few months ago. I had the idea because I'd seen several videos of people who served in the US military bemoaning the replacement of the Mossberg 590 with the M26. A modified 590M seemed like the obvious solution. Little did I know, Mossberg had been working on that exact thing for years. I'm still surprised it wasn't at the request of the US military, though.
I don't care how much that FDE one costs, I want it.
That mag though seen less bulky mags straight stack could Cary two for the size of that on mag
At the range you'd use that, the pic-rail on top would be a good place for a laser/light combo.
Where can I get that fde version
M-Loc would be handy for a vert grip and then you could add a light if needed.
That's what I was thinking too
How many doors do you really need to breach that you require that much magazine capacity?
My appreciation is that you would only get to breach 3 doors with a full mag and one in the tube if you have to hit 2 hinges, and IIRC, breachers usually have the tube empty for safety reasons until they hit a door. So 2 doors with hinges or 5 for locking mechanisms (door knobs/deadbolts). Not a lot, which is why this makes so much sense.
Idk why it took so long to see a short no stock shotgun to have a decent vert pistol grip but here we are.
Pretty sure it have something to do with legality and avoiding potential problems
with shorty shotguns which arent shotguns...
@Kesssuli in what world does a pistol grip suggest it should be redesignated from an "any other weapon."? A stock certainly would but not a pistol grip.
@@AJ-xc4nm Like removing normal stock from a shotgun will magically transform it to any other weapon.
There are shitloads of things which doesnt make sense for relatively normal mind.
@Kesssuli yes but legally speaking there should be no historical reason why a 90° pistol grip would cause a problem. I definitely understand your "ATF makes no sense and does whatever anyways" argument but I was just speaking about how the rules exist as they are and have been.
Because AFT
He said “ when your making a semi-automatic this short , & your jamming it in things your going to run into problems “. Genesis arms gen-12 looks to be working just fine to me
For ~3 or 4 times the price and the added length/bulk of an AR10 buffer tube on whats supposed to be a breaching tool.....
Genesis gen 12 is short recoil operated, pushing the barrel up against a door would take it out of battery.
Is that considered a short barrel rifle?
I would love that safety lever for pistol-grip setups
Is the barrel shorter than the regular 590M ?
3 years to develop? . It's a shockwave with a pistol grip.
Yeah, I dont see these being used in any CQC scenario besides just for breaching.
Best applied as a tool on a squad member.
Can you chose to use the magazine tube too?
The Mossbros strike again.
I'd like to request all the intro, transitions, and closing music in a Spotify playlist. Thanks
Im pretty sure that FDE gun can be sold in the US as a non-NFA "Firearm" if a folding brace were added.
Mossberg FTW!!!!
This is similar to what I'm currently doing to my 590M: I have a 14" front end, Magpul furniture, and I'm planning a ghost ring/red dot set up and getting it threaded for Remchokes.
got a vid on how to "Breach proof a door for home defense"?
Needs a bayonet mount
Fr
If that takes the existing 10, 15, 20 rd mags... it raises the bar farther. I like the birdshead version...the magazine frame addition to aid in loading the mag should be on both. That is very nice add.
1:27 Genesis Arms: "Hold my beer..."
Such a Great Show !!!!!!!!!!
Love this over the current config
edit: the first one with the different ergonomics
BRB buying a 7th door.
😳
I question the desire for a box magazine, but their customer knows what they want. My point of reference is a green beret, if the speculation on this being for the _other_ green berets then they have their own proceedures.
Breaching and drone control
If you lose the mags you can't tube load it??
What lanyard is that? I’m looking for one and I like that
So where can I get one?
Are these in Canada yet
Plenty of light mounts raise the light up and don't take up space from your hand.
As an owner of Shockwaves and a Compact Cruiser I can tell you they may think they want that pistol grip but…
The Compact Cruiser comes with the pistol grip. And it’s a wrist twister. Not pleasant to shoot. So having had experience with the Shockwave switched the Cruiser to a bird head which I highly modified. Shortened it so it was as long as the pistol grip protruded. Reduced the diameter for better grip with gloves on easier to get your hand around. Then retextured with stippling. Much better than the pistol grip.
Reduced and textured the Shockwaves grips as well.
The 590 barrel is so beefy there is plenty metal to thread the outside of the end of the barrel. And had it threaded for same thread pitch as the KSG.
Now there is companies that make steel and aluminum muzzle breaks.
I chose steel. But wait!
There’s more! By doing this it allowed me to utilize the Silencerco KSG adapter for the Salvo 12 and you have a package on a Shockwave 38” long
Suppressed 12 ga.
I doubt you're shooting off door locks and latches at weird angles with your shotguns. A birdshead grip would make that real difficult.
_Threading the _*_outside_*_ of a 590 barrel?!_ I didn't even consider that! The 590A1 AOW is cylinder bore and chromed so I thought I was boned.
I'll have to look into that. Needs a stand-off device frfr
@@Centermass762. Ok.
Any idea if the Surefire DSF would work on either of these?
Still wondering why I cannot buy a new barrel for my 590A1
Where can I buy it? Thx
For vertical front grip while putting lights and lasers on side I guess, that’s why mlok
I want the mil model safety/release on their other 88s/500s/590s.
These are legal in Canada. Bring em in!!!
Honey! I found the universal key!
Built
My own out of a Charles daily pistol grip breacher choke tube flashlight etc on it
Thats 6 doors or 1 door and a stack of 5 bodies
When are we going to design a mag fed shotgun from the ground up instead of having a vestigial empty steel mag tube and thick endcap still attached? We could lower the bore axis, better prevent touching a potentially hot barrel, and lighten it as implied, as well as reduce size for stowage and all.
crazy how Mossberg execs played starfield saw the Pacifier and were like "thats a fantastic idea"
Thanks. Good review.
I love it! The only thing I'd change is the fore grip. Get rid of the mlok silliness and add a eotech or surefire fore grip light.
Hopefully they can sell conversion kits for shockwaves. The sling looks nice
I’ll order one right now! @mossbergcorp bring back AOW
FYI when breaching, the point man is carrying this weapon.
Try not to break theirs when they come in, so you have one also.
I suggest concussion charges when “stacking doors”.
Semper fi.
My MOUT is bigger than theirs.
With the short barrel, the pistol grip makes it an NFA item, The civilian bird's head on the Shockwave makes it a "firerarm."
i would do the paperwork to get the pistol grip version
Would be cool in a "firearm" config. You could use the mlok to put a foregrip sideways
“Our company ethos- we’re not going to restrict what the people can and can’t have.”
dang put these features on all your guns.
Why still keep the tube if it’s magazine fed?
Because it's pump action. Listen to the beginning. Couldn't make semi because issues with breaching.
The tube still needs to be there for the pump handle to ride along on.
Dear TFBTV, if you can would you tell me the make/model of the shirt Jeremy is wearing please? Thank you.
Ive always loved the Ergo grips
Essa semana eu estava pensando que ainda tinha feito esses magazine com muita capacidade
Perfect for what I needed it for, thanks.
Now to make a breacher proof door.
The Mossberg Shockwave is pretty small and holds 5+1, requires no modification and costs $400. Then the pistol grip shotguns have been around forever and should also work just fine and are cheap too. Cool little touches on those two though
I'd buy the fde one
Are these subject to the NFA as short barrelled shotguns?
It would be an AOW. or possibly an SBS if it was built from a shotgun receiver. It would be awesome to have someone making factory AOW’s again now that Subaru stoped making the super Shorty.
The NFA defines shotguns as having stocks. These never did so they aren't SBSs. The whole reason the shockwave grip was invented though was to get around the minimum length requirement to not be a AOW
in my country guns arent allowed, but james and mr stafford make me really interested in something i cant have
Which country is this?
@@Erik-wm6ee a beta one
Most countries allow some kind if gun ownership. If you let me know your country of origin I might be able to find something cool you can legally own.
@@Erik-wm6ee probably the same country commissioning this shotgun lol
@@tweakingheavilyescape my bro/sis come to America the land of jeeps and clapping cheeks
I would buy one! I have the Chainsaw Breacher and love it! Would that pistol grip fit on the Chainsaw?
drool 🤤
BUT
If the magazine hasn't changed, they take 2 3/4" cartridges, and they are vewy _vewy_ picky about the finished shell length they will eat. There is a difference between roll-crimped and star-crimped shells, for example.
So what shotshells are specified? (plz)
That pistol grip boi would be a welcome addition to my collection. Booty shorts and breacher shotguns is a deadly combo. Isn’t that right, James?
please make a magazine version of a maveric, so it will be sub $300