.mil Contract Mossberg Breacher Shotguns
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- @JamesReeves is at SHOT Show 2024 with Mossberg to discuss two European military contract breacher shotguns that were designed to spces requested by two high-profile European units. There's a Mossberg 590M variant and a simpler, less expensive (and less frills) Shockwave version. Both will be released to the civilian market shortly. Check the video for details.
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The "ergo grip" screams SAS and UKSF because of its use on the C8 and LMT guns in inventory.
there are a lot of mil contract breacher shotguns coming out. what are they planning? iran or your own backyard?
@@cagneybillingsley2165a lot of potential places for urban combat nowadays
It has an nsn number defo uk sf
@@stiffchocolate7546 interesting
It's Israel duh
It's a breaching shotgun made for a British SF unit, highly likely the SAS or SBS
@@BasedPatriot-USA But not for the suppressors you're allowed to freely and cheaply have
@@BasedPatriot-USA lmfao
“I loik to keep this for close ‘ncounahs.”
I figured it was idf since they didn’t want to say it
@@BasedPatriot-USAUK has the highest censorship arrests in the world. But hey, the west is free, right...?
I’m a simple man, I see smol shotties, I watch 👌
4:54 “Optic rail. [Because] you gotta mind your offset when shooting a door hinge [from point blank range].” lol 😂
this is for uk sf they aren't using these just for breaching like Americans
Friggin redcoats
put a m16 carry handle on it
I was thinking a hi lum spot light to blind opposition rather than a laser.
I actually hope they bring this to market
It's LE only meaning. Law Enforcement has been showing interest in breaching doors lately, I wouldn't get too excited if you're a pro-2A pro-freedom American.
Please tell us about the doors you're taking down
@@MrSwccguyor he can tell you how cool it would be to own and shoot and short barrel shotgun just because it’s meant for breaching doesn’t mean people are willing to buy it for breaching in the market 🤦🏽♂️
Make it.
@@MrSwccguy. Please tell us who you are.
That thing with a thin, flip out stock would be ballin
I'm sure/hope Chisel Machining will be on the case there. They already have a near ready solution.
always appreciate the vendors talking about the engineering behind the design, are those the typical 590M mags?
they look like it
I think so
Mossberg should seriously consider selling these front ends to people that want to form 1 their own super shorties
I haven't successfully gotten a mag tube to loosen from a Mossy... rumor is it *can* be done.
But 100% agreed.
@@hateferlife it has red locktite , just heat it up a little
My thoughts exactly, SBS's are peak form 1, and this would be a great candidate.
@@publicpersuaders I was only able to get it up to ~300º workable temp in the oven. I'm sure if I had used a torch things would've gone better.
Oh well. After much cursing and brute force I got the mag follower out.
More like an AOW w/a $5 stamp
That safety should work its way into some regular models.
Nah
I'd like to see the new safety on a full size 590.
And slide release
I'd agree. I just want some of the new features, like the safety or magazine guide, on a "more legal" shockwave/full-size shotgun. I'm not a fan of the single piece barrel, tho, I feel like a strength of using a shotgun is the adaptability of the platform, and non-swappable chokes doesn't play well with that MO.
@@aaronpaine1053 When you have a barrel that short you don't need different chokes.
@@KaBar762 "on a "more legal" shockwave/full-size shotgun"
I feel like that new safety would only work well on a pistol gripped platform.
It’s a cool development. Although the mag seems excessively big and bulky while only providing two additional rounds over traditional tube feeding.
The mag will probably have comparability with their larger 12ga shotgun mags
It's also faster to reload.
Breachers usually have their mag tubes empty until they are about to breach for safety so this may be better and more efficient
Ok, so the massive nutsack of a mag is bulky. How does it actually impact use as intended?
@@SurmaSampo excellent point. Probably not much of an issue if used as intended (something you won't likely put many rounds through because it's only for breaching doors). As a primary, it would suck because you can't store a lot of these unless you want a jangly duffle bag, and it probably takes a tole shooting a lot of these.
I played with the tan one and it was very cool. The action is extremely smooth.
James could breach *my* door with a kind word...
Only if it’s a back door
🤮
It sounds like a lot more useful than what PTR is doing by sawing down Mossberg 88s. The breaching choke device is also a good touch since it digs into wood well, I've nicked a good piece of my door once with mine 😂.
in my country guns arent allowed, but james and mr stafford make me really interested in something i cant have
Which country is this?
@@Erik-wm6ee a beta one
Most countries allow some kind if gun ownership. If you let me know your country of origin I might be able to find something cool you can legally own.
@@Erik-wm6ee probably the same country commissioning this shotgun lol
@@tweakingheavilyescape my bro/sis come to America the land of jeeps and clapping cheeks
Mossberg makes these Breacher barrels in 18.5”
Yep, the Thunder Ranch 590 comes with one. I'm guessing Clint Smith wanted it on there for pain compliance.
This is badass. I’d like one.
Mossberg should should sell these receivers
Psa is going to do it for them
WOW...very cool interview and very cool tools of the trade. Awesome.
the pic rail on top would probably have a light on it and the pump/slide would get a vertical grip.
Exactly. A breacher shotgun needs two firm handles/grips
Gee, my pump shotgun has had a mag since the 80s.
*Laughs in Italian*
but is it double stack....
@@LyleH-13 actually they're unobtainum. Waaay better than a double stack fat boy.
Also, it's not hard to modify saiga mags to go in the Valtro, so I imagine I've got some drummies with a little work.
Mossberg if you are reading this I was looking for this exact configuration as an aow. The market is there.
I had an idea for a breacher variant of the Mossberg 590M a few months ago. I had the idea because I'd seen several videos of people who served in the US military bemoaning the replacement of the Mossberg 590 with the M26. A modified 590M seemed like the obvious solution. Little did I know, Mossberg had been working on that exact thing for years. I'm still surprised it wasn't at the request of the US military, though.
He said “ when your making a semi-automatic this short , & your jamming it in things your going to run into problems “. Genesis arms gen-12 looks to be working just fine to me
For ~3 or 4 times the price and the added length/bulk of an AR10 buffer tube on whats supposed to be a breaching tool.....
Genesis gen 12 is short recoil operated, pushing the barrel up against a door would take it out of battery.
At the range you'd use that, the pic-rail on top would be a good place for a laser/light combo.
So the contract price is around $75k USD each?
On a related note, they missed the opportunity to name it the "Lock Knocker".
that's a home defense shotgun if I've ever seen one
Thanks for getting this interview. Well done.
Mossberg, put those out for the public, please
Mossberg FTW!!!!
Seems like a lot of extra bulk for a tertiary weapons systems. I hope that breacher barrel makes it to the regular 590 though.
Yeah, the gen12 seems like the better option
@@pablojosediablothe gen 12 is short recoil operated, pushing the barrel against a door would take it out of battery.
@@Blaidd7542 i was under the impression the huxwrx suppressor for the gen 12 would serve as a standoff device as well as suppressor. If im wrong about that then id agree with you the gen 12 would NOT be the ideal option.
The picatinny trail is for the light/laser. Flashlight is extremely important on a breaching shotgun. On a gun that small the only place you can put it is on top of the receiver. If you put it on the barrel it will get in the way against the door. No point in putting sites on such a short shotgun.
Idk why it took so long to see a short no stock shotgun to have a decent vert pistol grip but here we are.
Pretty sure it have something to do with legality and avoiding potential problems
with shorty shotguns which arent shotguns...
@Kesssuli in what world does a pistol grip suggest it should be redesignated from an "any other weapon."? A stock certainly would but not a pistol grip.
@@AJ-xc4nm Like removing normal stock from a shotgun will magically transform it to any other weapon.
There are shitloads of things which doesnt make sense for relatively normal mind.
@Kesssuli yes but legally speaking there should be no historical reason why a 90° pistol grip would cause a problem. I definitely understand your "ATF makes no sense and does whatever anyways" argument but I was just speaking about how the rules exist as they are and have been.
Because AFT
Add A Magpul Stock & Form 1
It Into A SBS & Add A Streamlight TL-RACKER Forearm Light...
This is similar to what I'm currently doing to my 590M: I have a 14" front end, Magpul furniture, and I'm planning a ghost ring/red dot set up and getting it threaded for Remchokes.
The Mossbros strike again.
Reminds me of the Crusher shotgun from cyberpunk.
I would love that safety lever for pistol-grip setups
Love this over the current config
edit: the first one with the different ergonomics
BRB buying a 7th door.
😳
M-Loc would be handy for a vert grip and then you could add a light if needed.
That's what I was thinking too
I'd like to request all the intro, transitions, and closing music in a Spotify playlist. Thanks
That mag though seen less bulky mags straight stack could Cary two for the size of that on mag
FYI when breaching, the point man is carrying this weapon.
Try not to break theirs when they come in, so you have one also.
I suggest concussion charges when “stacking doors”.
Semper fi.
My MOUT is bigger than theirs.
As an owner of Shockwaves and a Compact Cruiser I can tell you they may think they want that pistol grip but…
The Compact Cruiser comes with the pistol grip. And it’s a wrist twister. Not pleasant to shoot. So having had experience with the Shockwave switched the Cruiser to a bird head which I highly modified. Shortened it so it was as long as the pistol grip protruded. Reduced the diameter for better grip with gloves on easier to get your hand around. Then retextured with stippling. Much better than the pistol grip.
Reduced and textured the Shockwaves grips as well.
The 590 barrel is so beefy there is plenty metal to thread the outside of the end of the barrel. And had it threaded for same thread pitch as the KSG.
Now there is companies that make steel and aluminum muzzle breaks.
I chose steel. But wait!
There’s more! By doing this it allowed me to utilize the Silencerco KSG adapter for the Salvo 12 and you have a package on a Shockwave 38” long
Suppressed 12 ga.
I doubt you're shooting off door locks and latches at weird angles with your shotguns. A birdshead grip would make that real difficult.
_Threading the _*_outside_*_ of a 590 barrel?!_ I didn't even consider that! The 590A1 AOW is cylinder bore and chromed so I thought I was boned.
I'll have to look into that. Needs a stand-off device frfr
@@Centermass762. Ok.
Make a 14" breacher barrel for the Shockwave
These are legal in Canada. Bring em in!!!
Built
My own out of a Charles daily pistol grip breacher choke tube flashlight etc on it
That pistol grip boi would be a welcome addition to my collection. Booty shorts and breacher shotguns is a deadly combo. Isn’t that right, James?
I love it! The only thing I'd change is the fore grip. Get rid of the mlok silliness and add a eotech or surefire fore grip light.
dang put these features on all your guns.
If that takes the existing 10, 15, 20 rd mags... it raises the bar farther. I like the birdshead version...the magazine frame addition to aid in loading the mag should be on both. That is very nice add.
Needs a bayonet mount
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Such a Great Show !!!!!!!!!!
... Sas/sbs/home defense 🥴😎
Perfect for what I needed it for, thanks.
Yeah, I dont see these being used in any CQC scenario besides just for breaching.
Best applied as a tool on a squad member.
Honey! I found the universal key!
Americans: :( $200 and wait for approval then go pick it up at your dealer.
Canadians: *mails it to their door*
Yeah, but the catch is that you would actually have to live in the hellscape that is Canada lol
They just banned 99% of the guns you can own…
Well, $5 (AOW) and wait for approval, but yeah. :)
I love the fencing so much! Finally a pump gun with a detachable magazine 😵😵😵
I question the desire for a box magazine, but their customer knows what they want. My point of reference is a green beret, if the speculation on this being for the _other_ green berets then they have their own proceedures.
This guy is the Billy Mays of shot show 2024
For vertical front grip while putting lights and lasers on side I guess, that’s why mlok
Send them to Canada. These would get Non-Restricted status if OAL is 26 inches.
3 years to develop? . It's a shockwave with a pistol grip.
Tavor Ts-12 grants ... 16 doors in basically the same package.
This is the guy that parks in the handi-cap parking space, ain’t he.
i still prefer fostech origin , idc if it's not as reliable or meant for breaching, it's a shotguj,use a breach round and just do it if you need to, I've seen breaches done with all types of shotgujs
This would be a day 1 buy for me if it ever reached civilian markets, fde lookin tasty too
Thanks. Good review.
Im pretty sure that FDE gun can be sold in the US as a non-NFA "Firearm" if a folding brace were added.
crazy how Mossberg execs played starfield saw the Pacifier and were like "thats a fantastic idea"
i would do the paperwork to get the pistol grip version
Hopefully they can sell conversion kits for shockwaves. The sling looks nice
I'd buy the fde one
Wrist gone be jello
How many doors do you really need to breach that you require that much magazine capacity?
My appreciation is that you would only get to breach 3 doors with a full mag and one in the tube if you have to hit 2 hinges, and IIRC, breachers usually have the tube empty for safety reasons until they hit a door. So 2 doors with hinges or 5 for locking mechanisms (door knobs/deadbolts). Not a lot, which is why this makes so much sense.
When are we going to design a mag fed shotgun from the ground up instead of having a vestigial empty steel mag tube and thick endcap still attached? We could lower the bore axis, better prevent touching a potentially hot barrel, and lighten it as implied, as well as reduce size for stowage and all.
That is a very cool Breacher with a pistol grip with the AR type of safety selector is a real nice looking weapon that I hope Mossberg makes available for civilians sales . It is nice that the Mossberg is using the same Breacher muzzle device that they use in their other Breacher model which I own the 18.5 inch barrel model.
I want the mil model safety/release on their other 88s/500s/590s.
Ive always loved the Ergo grips
+1 for the 590M. I have one and while the mags could use some weight reduction they're definitely rugged and reliable. It fixes the shotgun two main weaknesses: low capacity and slow reload. I'm glad to see it's still being developed so the magazine costs may come down. That's the second biggest downside to the mags, they're a fortune.
yes, ALL of them $$$
Yo Mossberg. Make an 18" barreled version of the one with the AR style safety so I can put a stock on it. Please and thank you, from California.
Oh yeah, put the sights and the ghost ring optic plate from the new law enforcement models on it too please.
That's very cool, but i want the 3rd verson. I dont wanna pay for a super shorty
The Mossberg Shockwave is pretty small and holds 5+1, requires no modification and costs $400. Then the pistol grip shotguns have been around forever and should also work just fine and are cheap too. Cool little touches on those two though
Would be cool in a "firearm" config. You could use the mlok to put a foregrip sideways
With the short barrel, the pistol grip makes it an NFA item, The civilian bird's head on the Shockwave makes it a "firerarm."
drool 🤤
BUT
If the magazine hasn't changed, they take 2 3/4" cartridges, and they are vewy _vewy_ picky about the finished shell length they will eat. There is a difference between roll-crimped and star-crimped shells, for example.
So what shotshells are specified? (plz)
I'd drive the 35 minutes down to North Haven to purchase one of those breacher barrels if it'd fit on the 590A1 AOW. It's the one and only issue I have with that gun.
One _could_ fall off the loading dock, Mossberg employee...
Plenty of light mounts raise the light up and don't take up space from your hand.
Is that considered a short barrel rifle?
That decked out breacher is sick.
Am I the only one that feels this interviewer is a loyalist?
💜💚🇺🇲
strong flash light on rale
What a bad ass little shotgun very good work Mossberg thank you for the video. Have a great day.🤘☘️🇺🇸⚡️⚡️
Me personally i would rather have the slimline tube with 4 rounds instead of that bulky mag just to get 2 more shells. I'm not an elite military guy tho, so what do i know.
Where can I get that fde version
I would buy one of those with the rifle-ish grip, IF I could buy it with a chainsaw style grip that also allowed for the pumping.
“Our company ethos- we’re not going to restrict what the people can and can’t have.”
got a vid on how to "Breach proof a door for home defense"?