@@bussinmaneuvers4494oh, the B&T semiautomatic clone? Looks well made, but 4k for a gun without a brace/stock that shoots the almost non-existing 4.6mm is not for me.
What do you mean by more enticing than natomi built? The Tommy built? I'm curious. I know this is a probably if I'm not mistaken. Definitely dirty or gun. Then the original that is I believe I'm not mistaken made by h. K. Unless you're talking about a custom version, Tommy? I don't heard of that, but I'm not a sub gun dude. Looks cool though chamber didn't 57 at 5 believe. That's gonna be a monster with that stick. Everybody complained about it till they see. The price tag PSA is killing it if that's too convention. This is I know they have that as one of their new products with the adjustable brace. Or stock whatever. Add the ability for a little front angle. Grip or some s*** that's gonna be dirty. Put a threaded barrel down there and call Bitch Ready and done, hopefully it's not stupidly priced. Like all the other s***, they come out with like the jackel mount saint. It's worth are not worth what they're priced at. But when it comes to pay in $1700 for a brand new jackel. Or three hundred more for used scar no brainer
@@MrJoeygregory Tommy Built is a company that does HK clones, they just unveiled their MP7 clone the other day. But even as a clone it’s hilariously expensive and doesn’t really scratch the mp7 itch because it only comes in the pistol configuration without an stock/brace
They definitely are. Fn blue tip SS197 has been around .50 cents a round and PSA makes multiple different 5.7 rounds that perform really well. My main hope is the ammo not only goes down but that they start offering hotter loads that perform better for self defense. Because the best options black fang and T6B are expensive and hard to get. You literally have to preorder it and it could be months before it’s even shipped . The commercial ammo is almost like 10mm , not as strong as it could be
That drum fed shotgun at 13:43 is already on the market. Been available for over 6 months.. Black Aces Tactical sells them. The one shown is more cut-up and I didn't like it, but hat one sports ambi cocking handle and the adjustable gas. I bought the other one not shown. It looks MUCH closer to the SCAR but doesn't have the 2 options I just listed. I got mine in Brunt Bronze and it looks just like a fat angry SCAR. For $80 I took it to a Gunsmith and they machined out the slot on the other side for the cocking handle. Even though it only had one slot for the cocking handle, the handle still just pulls out, and the other side is partially machined already so it was very easy for the machinist to know exactly where to mill.
Wow! I’m going to have to check Panzer Arms out! Their price points on their semi-auto and bull pup shotguns are amazing!! They’d like 1/2 t9 1/3 the competitors pricing!
That m4 competition is exactly what I've been looking for. Love the turknellis with some upgrades, having a longer barrel for trap/3 gun would be awesome. The tisas double stack is also on my list.
I was so excited for the nemo arms mongoose until i heard the $2000 price point. That's more than a sig mpx, and it doesn't even come with a brace at that price point. Price needs to come down at least $500 imo.
@@theweaponsmerchant5140 That is an interesting take. I have an SP5, vp9, and p2000sk and they are some of the most solid feeling guns i own compared to my sigs and glocks. Though i immediately regretted selling my cz75. That gun was avibe
@@tropicalsalmon obviously HK makes a lot of high quality stuff but the mp7 just ain’t it. Especially when you consider that serial #1 of the tommy built is $35k. It reminds me of a tp9 but somehow feels even cheaper. I have a buddy is also an 07/02 with a couple no law letter Mp7s he rents out at his range and let me tell you they are horrendous
Keltec: I'd rather have the CP33 with that kit on it than the X57 even. Tisas: I still don't think a gun that's been cloned as much as the MP5 should cost over $1k, but they look good. Nice affordable 2011 style guns as well. Ruger: Over $1k for a .45ACP straight blowback PCC? Why? The classic Mk IV was kinda cool. Nemo: I like it! Not sure I like it for $1950, but I do like it.
Ruger Mark 4 awesome. I'd liked to see more of Nemo's offerings in AR 10 style rifles like 300 win mag or larger offerings . All in all good interviews.
because it's so heavily regulated, it's military and law enforcement only and not just any mil/Leo personnel can get it, like the glock 18 it's just unobtanium in the civilian market so you don't see them at shows for the civ market like shotshow. or mentions of it in industries that cater to civilians.
every time i see that ruger 45 lc carbine i wonder about those screws about halfway up the hand guard - will they or can they offer a 5 to 6 in barrel? the idea of a mag-in-grip 45 pcc is appealing. as a suppressor host.
i'm so glad we're starting to see affordable mp7 clones coming to the masses. i've been looking for a good reliable backpack pdw. the best one i've seen so far is the flux raider but it's way out of my price point and the waitlist is ridiculous.
Great video thanks for asking on all the price points also for showing reliable and affordable firearms. Atlas is trippen on 6,600 rather get a Staccato 😂
@@wokndedfan413 No outsmarting physics. They could probably design a delayed blowback system in that form factor, but it’d be significantly more expensive and slightly lower capacity.
Ruger still being stupid with the pricing on their Mini 14s, got it. People would buy them if they were a viable somewhat affordable alternative to an AR.
I really want Keltec to make another bullpup with a more traditional ejection system. The RDB and RFB are cool but the ejection system just seems too difficult to look at and unjam. The rear ejection system seems like it would be the more reliable between the two, but if a bullet casing gets stuck in there it seems like it would be difficult to clear out.
Tears of joy. Thank you. Subbed! I came for the CP33 top from Ferro Tech, was it? The Tisas 2011, if the quality is good, will be a great addition. The M4 clone and that SCR. The poor man's Genesis for tree fiddy may be first on my list. Yum!🎉
indeed i have to agree the firearm itself is prob that much more upscale , it is a bit more expenisve on their websites . maybe about a 40% price difference . also a HUGE one for me is that i have a few hundred bucks in glock mags which the sub2000 takes . 15, 24, 33 rounders . doesnt that sound like a bit more fun then rebuying mags and having less capacity? @@JohnnyBravo02
I'd like to see a Glock PCC someday being built and a Glock 22LR pistol the size of the Ruger LCP ll I think every Glock owner on the planet would buy at Least 1 of these I myself would buy 2
Your video was great but the reps at ruger and Nemo were exhausted and I bet couldn’t wait for the show to be over. They had no energy at all! Lol. The Nemo dude you had to lead him into taking about the features of the gun bc he forgot to talk about them!
I can't speak to anything Kel Tec has put out in the last few years but I had 2 Kel Tecs years ago and the quality was poor. Anyone know if they've improved their quality issues? Cause I'd buy one if they wouldn't jam.
MSRP 495? Keltec sub 2k's are regularly priced at sub 300. I do like kel tec and this version of the Sub 2k looks pretty cool. Also that MP7 clone looks great. And in 22lr? Hell yeah Also, sic mic
1. Cool upgrades from Keltec. They never disappoint, outside of their production quantities. 2. Tisas/MAC have the potential to dominate the affordable double stack 1911 market. I'd like to see the hi-power with a rail, threaded, & optic ready slide pushed to the front, too. 3. Shadow Systems missed the bar for me with their single port integrated compensator, imo. Looks cool though, but it won't mitigate the recoil you're going to want for the price it will demand. 4. Panzer's M4 competition shotgun is a beast. If it survived Range Day, it shows initial durability. I'd like to see it with a shorter barrel/magazine. 5. Show Low MFG has crushed the AK PCC category this year for me. Looks Pokeeclips rated. 6. Zev is extremely overrated. I've never seen one in person that was reliable. So, it's an easy pass on anything they offer, unless they actually release the Magpul FMG9. But I won't bet my life on it. 7. No desire for SAR. It's a HK P30 grip with a holes all over the slide like a blind idiot designed it. I can't see anything they make selling "like crazy." I could be wrong, but when it comes to firearms, I wouldn't bet against me. 8. Rost Martin...No idea who these guys are. Gun looks simple, and straight to the point. Has a strong price point @$459. Made in USA. CZ P10C mag compatibility. Holsters available. I like it. 9. Atlas. I picked one up in a store once. The trigger was sloppy, and the slide rattled. I was a bit stunned at how poorly it was put together. That was a sample size of one. $6k. Pass. 7. Ruger LC Carbine. Not a takedown. $1k. Stupid. Pass. No one is going to buy a Ruger Mini-14 for $1800, unless they've recently suffered a severe brain injury. Ruger American Gen 2 is incredible. 8. Nemo PCC uses a new operating system. They make quality products. Uses AR15 triggers. Mongoose is a cool name for a firearm. I like it. 9. The SAR HMMWV is cool, but I guarantee the A/C doesn't work.
Funny Keltec does not consider the Sub 9 with aluminum frame as the original. They should upgrade the barrel to +p ammo and improve the frame to aluminum again and quality.
This is the Year of Kalashnikov!! Regardless that the Most Advanced Plans of Compensation for the Original Ak Platform. Is now Fielded in the U.S. ... Was it Gas Piston BAR. Quality?!! Well...
so many of the large youtube channels complain that theres nothing new or exciting at shot, but thats because they dont talk to any of these smaller, more interesting companies.
Everybody decided that 2024 was gonna be MP7 clone year
It’s about time
Except HK
dont forget the 2011s
@@VincitOmniaVeritas7yes tommy built
@@bussinmaneuvers4494oh, the B&T semiautomatic clone? Looks well made, but 4k for a gun without a brace/stock that shoots the almost non-existing 4.6mm is not for me.
I'm glad you went to booths that normal working ppl can afford👍👍
Like Atlas
I’m pretty normal and have been hypnotized by the Tommy built t7. Way over priced but I’m in for the 5.7 kit I’ve read he’s gonna sell after the 500
Tisas, the working man's 1911
Those Panzer Arms shot guns were reasonable. 1700 for an ak that shoots 9mm was a bit extreme.
at least some kind of 2011 is now available for pheasants like me@@peppersaltman1805
That mp7 look-a-like is more enticing than the Tommy built
What do you mean by more enticing than natomi built? The Tommy built? I'm curious. I know this is a probably if I'm not mistaken. Definitely dirty or gun. Then the original that is I believe I'm not mistaken made by h. K. Unless you're talking about a custom version, Tommy? I don't heard of that, but I'm not a sub gun dude. Looks cool though chamber didn't 57 at 5 believe. That's gonna be a monster with that stick. Everybody complained about it till they see. The price tag PSA is killing it if that's too convention. This is I know they have that as one of their new products with the adjustable brace. Or stock whatever. Add the ability for a little front angle. Grip or some s*** that's gonna be dirty. Put a threaded barrel down there and call Bitch Ready and done, hopefully it's not stupidly priced. Like all the other s***, they come out with like the jackel mount saint. It's worth are not worth what they're priced at. But when it comes to pay in $1700 for a brand new jackel. Or three hundred more for used scar no brainer
@@MrJoeygregory Tommy Built is a company that does HK clones, they just unveiled their MP7 clone the other day. But even as a clone it’s hilariously expensive and doesn’t really scratch the mp7 itch because it only comes in the pistol configuration without an stock/brace
psa made a clone thats 5.7 instead of 22
@@bassassin2695 excuse me? You must not be in the US
Keltec is great
SDS is gonna make it possible to pick up a DS 1911 and an MP5 for $2500.. for both.. that's nuts!
They’ve seriously come along way in the American market .
Lots of 5.7 going around this year. Let's hope those ammo prices go down a bit.
They definitely are. Fn blue tip SS197 has been around .50 cents a round and PSA makes multiple different 5.7 rounds that perform really well.
My main hope is the ammo not only goes down but that they start offering hotter loads that perform better for self defense. Because the best options black fang and T6B are expensive and hard to get. You literally have to preorder it and it could be months before it’s even shipped . The commercial ammo is almost like 10mm , not as strong as it could be
Jesus, the Mongoose from Nemo is 2000 dollars. Insanity.
I can't believe I'm about to say this, but the Keltec MP-7 lookalike looks better than PSA's.
That CP33 is freakin dope! I love it.
Wondering if a quad 22 mag is doable
I really love what PANZER is doing on the American market! They really seem to know their s***
That drum fed shotgun at 13:43 is already on the market. Been available for over 6 months.. Black Aces Tactical sells them.
The one shown is more cut-up and I didn't like it, but hat one sports ambi cocking handle and the adjustable gas.
I bought the other one not shown. It looks MUCH closer to the SCAR but doesn't have the 2 options I just listed. I got mine in Brunt Bronze and it looks just like a fat angry SCAR.
For $80 I took it to a Gunsmith and they machined out the slot on the other side for the cocking handle. Even though it only had one slot for the cocking handle, the handle still just pulls out, and the other side is partially machined already so it was very easy for the machinist to know exactly where to mill.
Wow! I’m going to have to check Panzer Arms out! Their price points on their semi-auto and bull pup shotguns are amazing!! They’d like 1/2 t9 1/3 the competitors pricing!
There’s a reason Turkish shit is so cheap.
Nemo got it going on 😊
That m4 competition is exactly what I've been looking for. Love the turknellis with some upgrades, having a longer barrel for trap/3 gun would be awesome. The tisas double stack is also on my list.
Right?!?
Can you find that m4 comp anywhere? because I can’t
it will be on the market in 2 months but if you attend ''the gathering '' event of Palmetto State Armory it will be there to shoot with@@jtrawson442
Mini-14 with maxi price - $1,800 full pass.
I was so excited for the nemo arms mongoose until i heard the $2000 price point. That's more than a sig mpx, and it doesn't even come with a brace at that price point. Price needs to come down at least $500 imo.
Agreed 100%
Curious to see how rost Martin does
Are the double stack 1911 Tisas in 9mm or 45acp?
Considering the capacity it has to be 9mm.
Love the look of that cp33. Could be a pick up for me.
That's like the third MP7 at home this year
Thanks for a great video. Great job Brother👍🏼
First video of yours iv seen, great coverage, excited to peruse through your videos and subscribed
First time I watched your Channel you guys did a good job love what you did when you asked about the price
Great info/video. Thank you for your work👍🏽
Good job on the 2024 show.👍
Great coverage of the show. Video looked fine to me
oh man im grabbing that keltec asap. glad i waited on getting a pcc now!
Hell yeah CP33 products! I get asked what I'm shooting every time I bring mine to the range. 10/10
Im dying to get that 80s style mini 14 Ateam baby and a mp5 clone!
Only reason people want an MP7 is because they can't get one.😂
I agree. The HKs have terrible build quality and just feel extremely cheap in hand. Not worth it
@@theweaponsmerchant5140 That is an interesting take. I have an SP5, vp9, and p2000sk and they are some of the most solid feeling guns i own compared to my sigs and glocks. Though i immediately regretted selling my cz75. That gun was avibe
@@tropicalsalmon obviously HK makes a lot of high quality stuff but the mp7 just ain’t it. Especially when you consider that serial #1 of the tommy built is $35k. It reminds me of a tp9 but somehow feels even cheaper. I have a buddy is also an 07/02 with a couple no law letter Mp7s he rents out at his range and let me tell you they are horrendous
The sar9 line is getting better
Keltec: I'd rather have the CP33 with that kit on it than the X57 even.
Tisas: I still don't think a gun that's been cloned as much as the MP5 should cost over $1k, but they look good. Nice affordable 2011 style guns as well.
Ruger: Over $1k for a .45ACP straight blowback PCC? Why? The classic Mk IV was kinda cool.
Nemo: I like it! Not sure I like it for $1950, but I do like it.
I like those panzer shotguns
Never had a keltec that the polymer didn’t fail and require me to send it back.
My Farrowtech CP33 kit gets here Monday I'm so excited
Keltec and Sar will be added to my collection.
Will Kel-Tec ever make a 5.7 version? A lot of guys at the range are always brainstorming ideas for PDWs
Ruger Mark 4 awesome. I'd liked to see more of Nemo's offerings in AR 10 style rifles like 300 win mag or larger offerings . All in all good interviews.
Personally, I always thought the mp7 looked cooler than the mp5. Never understood why the industry just acts like it never even existed.
because it's so heavily regulated, it's military and law enforcement only and not just any mil/Leo personnel can get it, like the glock 18 it's just unobtanium in the civilian market so you don't see them at shows for the civ market like shotshow. or mentions of it in industries that cater to civilians.
every time i see that ruger 45 lc carbine i wonder about those screws about halfway up the hand guard - will they or can they offer a 5 to 6 in barrel? the idea of a mag-in-grip 45 pcc is appealing. as a suppressor host.
What exact model is the panzer shotty and where can I find it. I’ve searched their website.
you may find all the models accept the competition model at Palmetto State Armory
Where can the competition model be found?
Great Job!
Great video!
Not Keltec too! PSA and Keltec brought a clone this year, damn!
Enjoyed the videos. Did you happen to see if Springfield had anything new with the Echelon...specifically new calibers?
i'm so glad we're starting to see affordable mp7 clones coming to the masses. i've been looking for a good reliable backpack pdw. the best one i've seen so far is the flux raider but it's way out of my price point and the waitlist is ridiculous.
This is really cool stuff
Hell yeah I love that gun and I was gonna nana buy a lion arms whatever barrel they call it.
Is that Pazer M4 out yet. I found the one with the Turkish wood on psa. But i want this one in the video.
Keltec finally doing for the sub 2000 what Red Lion has been doing since the gen 1
The new mini 14 looks sweet lil expensive though...and the gen3 sub2k is definitely goin in my safe
@user-vc3mn1le8f f off scammer
Best SHOT coverage video I have seen thanks for putting so much in one place! Subscribed today 👍🏻
Dam now I'll have a 1-2 and 3, it's a fun gun
Good job
SAR and ross martin sheesh . also i def want that m14
Probably should have mentioned that the Show-Low Blackjack takes scorpion mags. Kinda an important detail. 🙄
Great video thanks for asking on all the price points also for showing reliable and affordable firearms.
Atlas is trippen on 6,600 rather get a Staccato 😂
Kel-Tec needs to make CP33 a CP57. PSA made X7, and they just changed the game in making a domestic MP7
The CP33 as designed doesn’t have the bolt mass/spring resistance to make 5.7 work.
@@ST-zm3lm I don’t think he meant it that way.
Im sure they have smart guys to develop recoil spring and bolt assembly to cycle 5.7x28.
@@wokndedfan413 No outsmarting physics. They could probably design a delayed blowback system in that form factor, but it’d be significantly more expensive and slightly lower capacity.
Ruger still being stupid with the pricing on their Mini 14s, got it.
People would buy them if they were a viable somewhat affordable alternative to an AR.
I really want Keltec to make another bullpup with a more traditional ejection system. The RDB and RFB are cool but the ejection system just seems too difficult to look at and unjam. The rear ejection system seems like it would be the more reliable between the two, but if a bullet casing gets stuck in there it seems like it would be difficult to clear out.
Tisas is excellent and I can’t wait to get a double stack
Glad to see you hit up some other manufacturers compared to other guntubers
Tears of joy. Thank you. Subbed!
I came for the CP33 top from Ferro Tech, was it? The Tisas 2011, if the quality is good, will be a great addition. The M4 clone and that SCR. The poor man's Genesis for tree fiddy may be first on my list. Yum!🎉
Farrow Tech
Damn HK for not releasing what the people want, and they know it
Hk doesn't care about civilian sales
HK is always a disappointment. Frak them
that sub2000 was actually nice
SW FPC blows it out the park for practically the same price point
indeed i have to agree the firearm itself is prob that much more upscale , it is a bit more expenisve on their websites . maybe about a 40% price difference . also a HUGE one for me is that i have a few hundred bucks in glock mags which the sub2000 takes . 15, 24, 33 rounders . doesnt that sound like a bit more fun then rebuying mags and having less capacity? @@JohnnyBravo02
Keltec having so many guns that I never see
I'd like to see a Glock PCC someday being built and a Glock 22LR pistol the size of the Ruger LCP ll I think every Glock owner on the planet would buy at Least 1 of these I myself would buy 2
SDS is on fire!😊
Can next year be the year of a 7” 2011 pretty please?
Your video was great but the reps at ruger and Nemo were exhausted and I bet couldn’t wait for the show to be over. They had no energy at all! Lol.
The Nemo dude you had to lead him into taking about the features of the gun bc he forgot to talk about them!
I can't speak to anything Kel Tec has put out in the last few years but I had 2 Kel Tecs years ago and the quality was poor. Anyone know if they've improved their quality issues? Cause I'd buy one if they wouldn't jam.
Can it take uzi mags for the kel tech
That MP7 looks better than the PSA and Tommybuilt offerings
It’s just a plastic cover but yeah it’s pretty neat. The PSA one they said will be it’s own firearm.
Agreed. The PSA version looks like an 8th Grader got a 3D printer for Christmas.
MSRP 495? Keltec sub 2k's are regularly priced at sub 300. I do like kel tec and this version of the Sub 2k looks pretty cool.
Also that MP7 clone looks great. And in 22lr? Hell yeah
Also, sic mic
Will the sub 2000 gen 3 come in multi mag.
1. Cool upgrades from Keltec. They never disappoint, outside of their production quantities.
2. Tisas/MAC have the potential to dominate the affordable double stack 1911 market. I'd like to see the hi-power with a rail, threaded, & optic ready slide pushed to the front, too.
3. Shadow Systems missed the bar for me with their single port integrated compensator, imo. Looks cool though, but it won't mitigate the recoil you're going to want for the price it will demand.
4. Panzer's M4 competition shotgun is a beast. If it survived Range Day, it shows initial durability. I'd like to see it with a shorter barrel/magazine.
5. Show Low MFG has crushed the AK PCC category this year for me. Looks Pokeeclips rated.
6. Zev is extremely overrated. I've never seen one in person that was reliable. So, it's an easy pass on anything they offer, unless they actually release the Magpul FMG9. But I won't bet my life on it.
7. No desire for SAR. It's a HK P30 grip with a holes all over the slide like a blind idiot designed it. I can't see anything they make selling "like crazy." I could be wrong, but when it comes to firearms, I wouldn't bet against me.
8. Rost Martin...No idea who these guys are. Gun looks simple, and straight to the point. Has a strong price point @$459. Made in USA. CZ P10C mag compatibility. Holsters available. I like it.
9. Atlas. I picked one up in a store once. The trigger was sloppy, and the slide rattled. I was a bit stunned at how poorly it was put together. That was a sample size of one. $6k. Pass.
7. Ruger LC Carbine. Not a takedown. $1k. Stupid. Pass. No one is going to buy a Ruger Mini-14 for $1800, unless they've recently suffered a severe brain injury. Ruger American Gen 2 is incredible.
8. Nemo PCC uses a new operating system. They make quality products. Uses AR15 triggers. Mongoose is a cool name for a firearm. I like it.
9. The SAR HMMWV is cool, but I guarantee the A/C doesn't work.
Nonfunctioning A/C on a HMMWV is a deadline item.
@@wernervoss6357 Your going to have many coffee cups in your life that read, "Best Dad Ever."
Dudes typing a review of every item in the video like the world is interested in his opinion. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@genevandenham7999 I can guarantee you that you read all of it.
who knows the model of the flashlight on the first model KelTec???
But why no CMP pistol?
And a 10mm mak5 please?
What caliber is the mp7 clone??
Funny Keltec does not consider the Sub 9 with aluminum frame as the original. They should upgrade the barrel to +p ammo and improve the frame to aluminum again and quality.
Id love to see a lightweight 22 carbine that is based off the P17
That shotgun is awesome
Very cool 🇺🇲
I wish the CP-33 was in 5.7x28
22WMR?
Unfortunately, the mic always cover the view. But thanks for the contenido
This is the Year of Kalashnikov!! Regardless that the Most Advanced Plans of Compensation for the Original Ak Platform. Is now Fielded in the U.S. ... Was it Gas Piston BAR. Quality?!! Well...
Where's the Hard-R?
Never liked keltec but they listen to consumers better than any company I've ever seen.
All of us suckers who bought the gin one and two sub 2000 not to mention. Still waiting on my rebate almost a year later
Mac 5 looks awesome 👌, and Tisas 1911 double stacks , now us poor folks can have one 😂😂
Seems that Panzer didn't get the memo that ported barrel in tac-ops division isn't legal. Shame.
My mini with side folder cost me less than 800 😅
Where is the 10 mm carbine or a 45 carbine you were supposed to be making
so many of the large youtube channels complain that theres nothing new or exciting at shot, but thats because they dont talk to any of these smaller, more interesting companies.
Atlas Gunworks, for those guys with lots of money chasing that last 5%.
3 generations in and smith and Wesson first FPC SMOKES the keltec for about the same price
Tisas. Ew. At 33:15... That's a really fancy HiPoint!
I love all the handguns. “Our slide serrations are soooooo cool. Buy our overpriced pistols for $$$$$ now”
Keltec master race