That question becomes more difficult month by month to answer. SOD seemed to be the solution but people got less involved in it. Cata marching to to Legion seemed to be the case but MOP Remix has come out for retail. TBC and WOLTK servers preserving the original trilogy on Battlenet seemed to be the case as the progression servers moved forward but they have no plans for that.
SOD died for so many people when the community started to gatekeeping raids and dungeons. Espeically now with the $25 addon that lets you see character parses its over for anyone who can't play the game full time.
I think Classic Era is underrated... most of the problems in the "bad expansions" were related to content droughts or bad grinds etc.... These are all problems that can be avoided in an Era server. I'm hoping they just go through all the expansions in order with a pretty short cadence between patches. I've kinda lost interest in SoD... it has morphed into a version of the game that just highlights everything toxic about WoW.
Yeah whilst I like SoD gameplay and the content I think the community is definitely what puts me off. Lots of stress/anger about fairly easy content. Odd!
Just have a server that has up to Wrath but BC and Vanilla content STAY like they were. Don't nerf and dumb down the mobs and areas. Keep all the elites, elite. Keep the health and damage of everything AND the time it takes to do everything.
I think mop is the last classic they should do. After that make a mega server for classic, burning Crusade, wrath, cata, mop. Also burning Crusade is the last "classic" xpac. We've been in retail territory since wrath classic launched
A good permanent tested Classic Plus is the future I think. Going down the route like Turtle 🐢 WoW or Project Epoch. Having a good homebase there with finally finishing the zones and content, HD Graphic Pack (not the new animations) etc. Still taking time in between the little updates - the key element here is to add things whilst changing as little of the core as possible. So we have a good progression Classic Server with no potential dropp off around Naxx like always
They will bring out mop. If they already have Cata mop will be made since more ppl want to play mop than Cata. I feel like they are pushing Cata with fast phases to get to mop
I'm excited for cata it's going to be fun never raided it so it will all be new to me. I would also like to go to MoP for classic. The remix for mop wasn't great. Where we go from there who knows. But vanilla and bc were very mid and doing vanilla over and over is not the way. I don't plan on playing SoD at all. Really think seasonal game modes are a waste of time and resources for blizzard
It's more about retaining the players who want BC/Wrath rather than splitting the player base, and there's a growing demand for it - you can't split players that leave to go to PSers.
And when I unsubscribed because I don't want to play CE, CATA or Retail was that healthy? That's the reality of the situation, you're not taking people away from the WOW ecosystem by creating TBC or WOTLK servers, you're keeping them from leaving.
I'd be really happy if they did a classic reset server where they have gear drop at a about 50% more and xp set to 200% to 300% and did outlands with no flight mounts made 120% land mounts instead and made flight paths accordingly. Make the rewards of flight mounts account wide that would have otherwise been there for the rest of your wow chars on other servers and perhaps a unique one for the server itself.
I have an idea.. maybe blizzard can create separate realms in season servers only for new players or new raiders... i as a new wow player had a bad time starting with wow classic because it seems that like every one knew what he had to do at the start of the game and like all players expected everyone to know exactly what to do before and inside raids... and it created a bad community... maybe a new vanilla for new players will be a nice idea...
It's interesting because after playing Phase 1 of Wrath Classic I determined it was just too Retail for me to keep playing, as a Retail player already. But fast forward to now I certainly don't feel that way anymore, as I returned and am prepping for Cata because it does actually feel different enough. Moral of the story is.. Cata is still Classic and Wrath P1 fucking sucked fucking ass.
Runescape devs released an older version of the game. Then they set aside their pride and updated it WITHOUT just re-releasing all the things that made people want the older game in the first place. Gotta be willing to admit that a lot of updates and new ideas were shit, and little by little you wore away what actually made your game good. Now, over 10 years after the release of Old School Runescape, it has nearly 10 times the amount of players as the newest version.
2nd comment as I got further in the video. I wouldn't blame Cata's quality on SOD existing simultaneously. Blizzard had a large chunk of layoffs are the start of this year, and it's apparent it laid waste to the QA Team. Cata Pre-Patch and Season 4 releasing within a week of each other and both being down horrendous with bugs is no coincidence. Either way, stuff'll get fixed in time. Hope they figure it out.
I'm just going to enjoy Cata raiding & Battlegrounds. I do not think they continue this ride into MoP but it has been fun. What I "want" for the future isn't something present day Blizzard Microsoft could pull off. They need to ban about all addons that track player performance metrics (parsing) & load to external systems asap (warcraft logs). It really is ruining the game for too many people now. SoD is about to flop harder than they expect in this upcoming final phase (it gets super boring/toxic quick). Cata will be fun IF they can deliver this expedited cadence with actual communication & support along the way (beta/pre-patch launch were terrible).
Agree re:toxic parse behaviours. Sad to see in things like SoD that have good potential for future. Going to try enjoy Cata myself with raiding like you mentioned 👌🏻
The problem I think is in the minds of the playerbase of WOW, and perhaps the developers themselves, that WOW is a zero sum game. That having TBC or WOTLK servers is going to hurt server numbers. You hear it all the time, "You don't want Cata or Retail? Go play CE, stop asking for TBC or WOTLK", as if someone asking for TBC or WOTLK is content with those 3 options but is demanding too much. It speaks pretty poorly of your version of WOW when you feel people having other options is going to ruin your experience. "Splitting the playerbase" is just code for shut up. Let people play what they want.
Yep - I understand delaying things like Era servers whilst other things are being released (e.g Cata, SoD P4 & TWW for rest of 2024). Not a fan of denying ideas entirely either though. There’ll be a right time for era servers, likely at the start of 2025 I think.
I like the concept of season of Discovery. Having things level/time locked with the old world was fun. Personally if they made cataclysm its own era server it would have been better received. I personally hated cata back in the day, and so far still hate it
Where do you think Classic WoW should be going? 🤔
That question becomes more difficult month by month to answer. SOD seemed to be the solution but people got less involved in it. Cata marching to to Legion seemed to be the case but MOP Remix has come out for retail. TBC and WOLTK servers preserving the original trilogy on Battlenet seemed to be the case as the progression servers moved forward but they have no plans for that.
Permanent and tested Classic Plus with a good PTR.
Imagine finishing all zones and improve Vanilla to Wotlk….easy 6 years filled
SOD died for so many people when the community started to gatekeeping raids and dungeons. Espeically now with the $25 addon that lets you see character parses its over for anyone who can't play the game full time.
Agree - I like gameplay in SoD but community obsessing over relatively easy content puts me off!
I think Classic Era is underrated... most of the problems in the "bad expansions" were related to content droughts or bad grinds etc.... These are all problems that can be avoided in an Era server. I'm hoping they just go through all the expansions in order with a pretty short cadence between patches.
I've kinda lost interest in SoD... it has morphed into a version of the game that just highlights everything toxic about WoW.
Yeah whilst I like SoD gameplay and the content I think the community is definitely what puts me off. Lots of stress/anger about fairly easy content. Odd!
Just have a server that has up to Wrath but BC and Vanilla content STAY like they were. Don't nerf and dumb down the mobs and areas. Keep all the elites, elite. Keep the health and damage of everything AND the time it takes to do everything.
The best pronunciation of "World" in the youtube. IM NOW SUBSCRIBED! Cheers from Brazil
I think mop is the last classic they should do. After that make a mega server for classic, burning Crusade, wrath, cata, mop. Also burning Crusade is the last "classic" xpac. We've been in retail territory since wrath classic launched
A good permanent tested Classic Plus is the future I think. Going down the route like Turtle 🐢 WoW or Project Epoch.
Having a good homebase there with finally finishing the zones and content, HD Graphic Pack (not the new animations) etc.
Still taking time in between the little updates - the key element here is to add things whilst changing as little of the core as possible. So we have a good progression Classic Server with no potential dropp off around Naxx like always
Long-term I agree that would probably be best for Classic.
I still want MoP Classic tho
MoP is probably the most under-rated wow expansion ever, with a couple of small changes it could honestly be the best wow expansion ever made.
@@snuggles3277 I could never get into it.
The lore, story and the world just didn't have the Warcraft feel
They will bring out mop. If they already have Cata mop will be made since more ppl want to play mop than Cata. I feel like they are pushing Cata with fast phases to get to mop
I'm excited for cata it's going to be fun never raided it so it will all be new to me. I would also like to go to MoP for classic. The remix for mop wasn't great. Where we go from there who knows. But vanilla and bc were very mid and doing vanilla over and over is not the way. I don't plan on playing SoD at all. Really think seasonal game modes are a waste of time and resources for blizzard
I’m looking forward to Cata too, raiding was one of the highlights back in the day. Hope you enjoy!
splitting the player base even more? there is already 5 versions of wow. theres no way adding 2 more will be healthy
It's more about retaining the players who want BC/Wrath rather than splitting the player base, and there's a growing demand for it - you can't split players that leave to go to PSers.
what's wrong with have versions of wow for all tastes? lol
And when I unsubscribed because I don't want to play CE, CATA or Retail was that healthy? That's the reality of the situation, you're not taking people away from the WOW ecosystem by creating TBC or WOTLK servers, you're keeping them from leaving.
I'd be really happy if they did a classic reset server where they have gear drop at a about 50% more and xp set to 200% to 300% and did outlands with no flight mounts made 120% land mounts instead and made flight paths accordingly. Make the rewards of flight mounts account wide that would have otherwise been there for the rest of your wow chars on other servers and perhaps a unique one for the server itself.
I’d be interested in a reset for nee Classic servers in some form. Think sometimes a new start is good.
I have an idea.. maybe blizzard can create separate realms in season servers only for new players or new raiders... i as a new wow player had a bad time starting with wow classic because it seems that like every one knew what he had to do at the start of the game and like all players expected everyone to know exactly what to do before and inside raids... and it created a bad community... maybe a new vanilla for new players will be a nice idea...
Never fixing quality of life problems in classic content nor addressing the radio actively toxic community is why I stopped playing.
It's interesting because after playing Phase 1 of Wrath Classic I determined it was just too Retail for me to keep playing, as a Retail player already. But fast forward to now I certainly don't feel that way anymore, as I returned and am prepping for Cata because it does actually feel different enough. Moral of the story is.. Cata is still Classic and Wrath P1 fucking sucked fucking ass.
FULL CLASSIC FRESH
Next they announce classic dragon flight😅😅😅
Runescape devs released an older version of the game. Then they set aside their pride and updated it WITHOUT just re-releasing all the things that made people want the older game in the first place. Gotta be willing to admit that a lot of updates and new ideas were shit, and little by little you wore away what actually made your game good.
Now, over 10 years after the release of Old School Runescape, it has nearly 10 times the amount of players as the newest version.
Yep, OSRS really has nailed it & happy to see it still thriving.
2nd comment as I got further in the video. I wouldn't blame Cata's quality on SOD existing simultaneously. Blizzard had a large chunk of layoffs are the start of this year, and it's apparent it laid waste to the QA Team. Cata Pre-Patch and Season 4 releasing within a week of each other and both being down horrendous with bugs is no coincidence. Either way, stuff'll get fixed in time. Hope they figure it out.
I'm just going to enjoy Cata raiding & Battlegrounds. I do not think they continue this ride into MoP but it has been fun. What I "want" for the future isn't something present day Blizzard Microsoft could pull off. They need to ban about all addons that track player performance metrics (parsing) & load to external systems asap (warcraft logs). It really is ruining the game for too many people now. SoD is about to flop harder than they expect in this upcoming final phase (it gets super boring/toxic quick). Cata will be fun IF they can deliver this expedited cadence with actual communication & support along the way (beta/pre-patch launch were terrible).
Agree re:toxic parse behaviours. Sad to see in things like SoD that have good potential for future. Going to try enjoy Cata myself with raiding like you mentioned 👌🏻
The problem I think is in the minds of the playerbase of WOW, and perhaps the developers themselves, that WOW is a zero sum game. That having TBC or WOTLK servers is going to hurt server numbers. You hear it all the time, "You don't want Cata or Retail? Go play CE, stop asking for TBC or WOTLK", as if someone asking for TBC or WOTLK is content with those 3 options but is demanding too much. It speaks pretty poorly of your version of WOW when you feel people having other options is going to ruin your experience. "Splitting the playerbase" is just code for shut up. Let people play what they want.
Yep - I understand delaying things like Era servers whilst other things are being released (e.g Cata, SoD P4 & TWW for rest of 2024).
Not a fan of denying ideas entirely either though. There’ll be a right time for era servers, likely at the start of 2025 I think.
CaTa is not classic. Just do remix like pandari from cata - shaddowlands
Alright people hear me out, blizzard gets the bad expansions and they get it right this time around in classic
I like the sound of that! Sadly, don't have much faith in it working out either :(
I cancelled my subscription and it’s out in December. I don’t have high hopes for cata but I’ll decide if I resub then
Saying cata is classic is copium.
I'm currently playing cata and watching cata videos and all I'm thinking is when are they going to release mop classic? All I want is mop classic PVP
cant dislike this video enough. Cata and mop arena/rbgs was peak wow.
I like the concept of season of Discovery. Having things level/time locked with the old world was fun. Personally if they made cataclysm its own era server it would have been better received. I personally hated cata back in the day, and so far still hate it
CATA AND MOP ARE THE PEAK OF WOW ARENA. DO NOT RUIN THIS FOR ME