The reason Logan is so reluctant to take Laura is because up until then hes had everything hes cared about taken from him. His wife, his friends, the x-men, Charles. Everything he cared about was taken away and he doesn't want to get attached to anyone or anything else because he knows rheyll be taken away too. You constantly see him switching between protecting Laura to not giving a shit in a way a real person would and real people do on a daily basis. He struggles with finding out if shes worth it to him and in the end he decides that she is. He knows whats its like to finally have a real family who loves him (not in a way the xmen do) and that's his redemption as he goes to save his daughter and the children. It is definitely bleak but its down to earth and real and that's why I liked this movie. Hes also depressed as shit so that doesn't really help matters.
Brad D I totally agree. but adding to his very human depression and mourning over Xavier (who seemed to me to be the only reason wolv had not used the bullet he carried around)was the fact that he was dying. He literally passed out many times at Eden even after being administered the serum to help him heal.
My first thought. Also bare in mind - Logan was fightning for like 200-300 years, lost everyone he has cared for, so it's like ptsd x 20000. If he was like cbg19s version, then the movie would be mega dumb and predictible.
I agree...That's what I took from his behavior towards Laura. It made it that much more emotional every time he made the decision to help her, especially at the end when they were running from the soldiers and you hear Logan scream in the background after he drank that stuff.... It made that moment so powerful, knowing he's ready to go all out for Laura and her friends and put his life on the line for them.
The thing that hit me in this movie is how much I saw my father in Logan. From what I hear he was a wild guy, constantly fighting, tough, all that. Now he's been working a job that is absolutely destroying his body. It absolutely shatters me. His distant stares, he pukes from stress every morning, his drinking. But the thing is this movie actually gave me hope in a weird way. He's in so much pain he was addicted to pain killers for years, and he quit them for his family. Because he wasn't him and he loved us so much he he'd rather suffer through the pain and be with us rather than check out. I used to expect to come home and see my dad with his brains splattered on the wall with his own gun in his hand. Yet this movie shows that this grizzled man, like my father, will keep marching on and ultimately do everything he can for those he loves, it did give me hope. For me ultimately this movie was hopeful. My dad will never get a moment to step up and be Captain America, but he can get his chance to be Logan and keep fighting until he can't. I guess the realism of it gave me hope, because ultimately it is a happy ending, if my dad on his death bed could feel at peace I'd be unbelievably happy and hopeful for my future. Sorry I just wanted to offer my two cents, and I am a male so that might affect my opinion of the movie
Damn. The talk about PTSD, and CBG's understanding of it just caught me way off guard. Thank you so much for that. Not a lot of us, the men and women who feel just that way, ever get to feel like somebody else understands that feeling. I'm in love.
It was totally unexpected and took a totally diff turn for a review. I don't suffer from PTSD but it really breaks me when I hear about ppl struggling mentally, physically, emotionally. I know alot of ppl feel like I do but became a bigger fan of hers hearing how she feels on the subject. She saw deep into this movie way more than those who just review it in it's face value of a story.
He DIED to save those kids... he was DYING. He didn't exactly "sleep in." Logan, was BROKEN... mind, body, and soul. He didn't just phone it in. And I feel he DID get that redemption. He DID become a better man. Their dream didn't fail... it took on a new form. The hope you didn't see was alive and well in those kids. Logan have those kids the chance they needed to brave this new world...
I think it's a mix of both. She admitted to her bias, and obviously as she's stated again and again she's connecting from her own personal life experiences. She's just expressing what she felt and it's obvious that these characters mean so much to her. I don't think she's wrong, just honest.
Yeah, she also ignored the part where Logan tells Laura the night before about everyone he's loved being harmed. It's a cliché, sure, but it is addressed.
I feel that he resisted so much because he was broken in mind, body, and spirit. He couldn't do it anymore. Everything he ever cared about was dead or dying, and the world couldn't give a damn. He was done with trying to save the world, done with the decades of fighting and killing. He had a huge enough responsibility with taking care of Charles and couldn't get involved in anything to distract from that. When Charles died, he lost the last thing he was holding on to in the world, and angry that there was now something else creeping into his acceptance of a slow painful death. In the end, he couldn't walk away from it and sacrificed himself to save the next generation.
but the x-men universe is tragic. how many years of fighting for acceptance and still no progress. this world will have long accepted minorities and the lgbt community before it makes peace with mutants. xavier has the worst of it all. you take a man dedicated to peaceful amalgamation of human and mutant communities and shit on his dream by making him the murderer of the students he loves, you deny him a good relationship with his own biological children who end up becoming extremely dangerous and problematic (in the comics). Finally he gets killed by a clone of logan in the movie and in the comics he's killed by scott summers who betrays him for magneto's idealogy. these mutants are stuck in purgatory
In this continuity, Logan is 184 years old, much of which is him being beaten and bloodied and dealing with adamantium poisoning. Not to mention all the emotional trauma of losing everyone he's cared about in horrifically brutal ways. He's not sleeping in, he is completely defeated, inside and out, and can't muster the energy to continue. Plus his healing factor isn't really working and the day before he was hacked up by his clone, which would certainly be exhausting.
Wow. Your emotions on your sleeve in this video when talking about your past and your feedback from soldiers was incredibly powerful. This transcends any movie review I have ever seen. Thank you for your amazing creativity and honesty.
Something that hit me hard, though I started crying in the theater several times, was watching Prof. X and W struggle with X's mental deterioration. I have been living and caring for my grandfather with Alzheimer's, and their real life family stuggle really hit me hard. His scene in the bed talking to who he thought was Logan was so humanizing and well delivered. I felt his pain acutely. I do have a problem with the lack of hope in the film, though I appreciate the many layers of social commentary. This touches on so many layers of why our society is f*d up... and where we could end up if we don't take control of our lives back from the corporations.
Lauretta Cocke Logan is a film of hope. TBH. charles never stopped convincing logan to live a normal life and give Laura a future. Logan may have really suffered, but he really cared for Laura. more than what it seems like. It's really a lesson for me. that nothing is too late in life. most specially for the people you love
That scene in the beginning where Xavier says "I always know who you are. it's just that sometimes I don't recognize you" hit me very hard. Actually the whole part where he was inside the water tank was very close home to me. My grandfather stopped recognizing my mother when his disease was advanced. He would cry like a child and ask to see his daughter, but wouldn't believe the woman in front of him was her. Except for a few moments he remembered and acted kinda like Xavier did in that scene. Then he would slip back again into some old memory and start talking about peanut butter and other silly stuff, not unlike earlier in that scene when Logan first enters the room.
I'm looking after a disabled and slightly brain damaged friend, with various other health issues, whose wife and family abandoned him at a hospital, when he was sick and suffering dementia. Every day, I'm grateful he's alive and still able to see and think clearly. My biggest fear, is that he won't live much longer or worse, lose his identity or forget the recent events. I understand what a lot of people are going through now in real life and the friendship between Wolverine and Professor X in this film. It reminds me, almost too much, of my life and my friend's troubles.
if you dont want to give your life to corporations stop buying their stuff. You probably should meant government. But yeah, i work with in elderly care and professor x felt very real to what such a brain disease looks like
Her reaction proves the quality of the film. Everyone doesn't have to like a piece of art for that art to be a success. She was moved, and her visceral reaction proved the effectiveness of the piece. It rendered a reaction for her, different from mine but a visceral reaction, and that is what great art is supposed to do.
Comic Book Girl 19; thank you for your compassion. I served for 20 years and to hear such concern coming from a different point of view gives me hope for this future. JP
This is the first review I've seen of yours, and the first honest review I've ever seen in my life. Thank you! You speak from the heart and speak from your own experiences and how you relate to the movie and to the graphic novels/comic books. It's refreshing!
I don't think Logan just slept in... They left without ever saying anything and decided to let him rest. I think that was a crucial learning points for X-23 as she was being kinda passive aggressive and thought she could do everything on her own. I guess I just had a different view on the movie.
Also, no offense but all of your criticisms come from a place of what you wanted vs. what you got. And I think that's what the movie wanted to do. The movie kept referencing the comics and calling them lies, and I think that was on purpose. They were trying to be real, and in reality, there's not always a light at the end of a tunnel. The real world is often bleak and depressing. It's up to us to keep fighting through and make our own happiness. That's what X-23 and the rest of the kids did.
The problem with that is that Logan made it pretty clear in the previous scene that he didn't want anything more to do with Laura or any of the other kids.
I don't think he even slept in..he was all fucked up from the fight with x24, like what? she says Logan doesn't care, Logan is mentally and physically fucked up, and he decides to go and help the kids and thanks to that, they stayed alive
1moreastronaut sure, but I think had x-23 woken him up and talked to him rationally, he would've helped them to the border. However, the way it all went down was very fitting for both characters' arcs. Logan got his redemption and Laura learned that her actions can affect more than just herself
I agree with the movie as is, FYI. But I certainly understand why the redemption for Logan would have been more poignant had he made the choice to take a stand with the kids prior to them leaving Eden. In my opinion, it would have had a detrimental effect on the movie, as that was the point where the anti-hero in just about every other Hollywood movie would have changed his tune. As such, I applaud the makers of Logan for doing things differently. But again, I get why CBG would have preferred it the other way.
Hey, CBG19 never give up! You really inspire me and your content is amazing! I also appreciate your vulnerability in this video:) I really wanted to hug you:)
I'm a disabled Veteran and it broke my heart to see her cry for us. I've deployed to Iraq in Basra and South of Baghdad. After a few deployments I stopped helping others. Tired of everything at times. You have to take it day by day.
@@existenceisrelative I'm not crippled...your assumptions are alot. I'll answer your questions but you clearly have alot of emotions in these questions. 1. I joined (after college) to be apart of something more than just myself. I went overseas and actually helped people. Fed people, protected people. I was an 11b(infantry) in the Army for 11 years. 2. If I had a choice to do it all over again I would. Even with the PTSD and neurological damage. You assumed alot. It's sad that you can't think beyond what the TV tells you. That's why I joined to be something more. Why do you care? Why ask something and assume rude things?
@@existenceisrelative I don't like being called crippled. I'm not helpless and I'm not pretending. You asked a question in a rude manner. You want to act narcissistic and pretend to be something more than who you are? Then go ahead. Your comments are very snarky and shows an over inflated ego of no self worth and insecurities. I don't owe you anything. I politely answered your childish questions and you wanna continue to act like a crybaby that plays scrabble? I really could care less on what you assume. I don't have any regrets. You don't mention anything about yourself which is very interesting. You're clearly someone who has never served. I'm gonna assume of you candor that you are very inept and a coward in person. You only feel strong online hiding. This is why you act this way. On a keyboard you are free but in person you lack anything real or that has worth. Maybe you're crippled.
@@existenceisrelative or maybe you did serve. For some reason you had something happen to you and you are taking your frustrations out on me. You are clearly angry at something. Triggered as people say these days
Logan is a character defined by one word. Misery. He has found happiness, briefly, in taking Jubilee and Kitty Pride and X-23 under his wing, and through various lovers, and through his teammates. But the moment he is happy, for good? The story is *over*. Wolverine is personified by his inability to escape the truth of a life unending - that he will see all his friends and loved ones die - and the realities of his healing factor failing, and therefore his adamantium poisoning royally screwing him. He is hounded by being both immortal and mortal at all the wrong times. Logan has been a father, a lover, a leader, a berserker, and assassin, and a hero. But he has *never* been happy. That's why, when he finally holds Laura's hand in his, that last line - 'so that's what this feels like'. That line is ambiguous - which meaning is he referring to? Is it the sensation of death? Is it the love of a child that's actually his, by blood and bond? Is it hearing somebody else call him 'daddy'? Is it all of those? Logan as a film was never about 'Logan finds X-23 and they go on the run and have awesome times'. It was about Logan's end. The end of his story. Briefly, Laura's hand in his, Logan stopped being miserable. And so the story is over. So if you were looking for an uplifting character to base an X Men franchise around... Logan is the wrong guy, and always has been. The brightest part of him was the yellow spandex. I saw a poster for the film with the tag line 'His Time Has Come' for crying out loud, we all *knew* it was the end. But it was the end Logan was *always* going to get. A life of heroism, tainted by his own tragedies, ending with one *tiny* act of happiness and a whole lot of bloodshed. Logan died the same way he lived. For CBG19, as a critic, to not get that this character could never have an ending like the one she wanted to see, is disappointing.
i've watched this movie over a week ago and its still on my mind. this honestly has become one of my favorite movies because of how powerful it is. and yes it may have been sad, but i feel like a movie that makes you think so much about humanity and the future, is what a great movie should be.
@Kevin C I legit dont see how what you wrote has anything to do with my comment. i'm just defending the movie with my opinion. your personally attacking the creator of the video. just dont see the connection
I see so many comments about the "awful drama" and"whining" but I believe she not only pointed out her first thought on the daughter-father home but also acknowledged the PTSD point, she mentions and points out how all HIS problems have destroyed him, but that's her problem, she didn't like it because it was so depressing in an movie that meant hope to her. It's her relationship with the movie and the story and I believe she is entitled to it as much as we are. Again, she is only giving a review pointing her thoughts and feelings. Saying "man is she pregnant?" Is disrespectful, her feelings matter even for a movie, because it resonates in her life, would you say the same to a veteran that has PTSD and for that feels the movie? All feelings matter, all thoughts matter. And watching her react with compassion and kindness only make me love her even more. We need more hope in this world. The movie was beautifully crafted, but it was brutal, had some problems, yes, but it was definitely the best X-Men movie.
I'm proud of you, Danika. Honest & truly. For going through with the review even though it made you cry. If it's any consolation, my friend Luke & I went to Logan and afterwards WE cried too because it dredged up a lot of the same things that you pointed out. Because of this review & your courage, YOU'VE GIVEN ME HOPE FOR THE FUTURE. Thank you, Professor. From Canada, with love
It was a good cbg19 review really personal, I'm so soles for that Dune book club though I'm so gana pre order that, I feel like it's getting traction lately and I here a movie or series is in the works too
The reason why Logan was still such an apprehensive father can all be summed up with the farm scene. Everywhere that he goes innocent people and friends die. For well over a century he has been a magnet for death and sorrow. He has not only lost the desire to become close with others but actively avoids it for their own good.
Comicbook girl, don't get so mad at Logan he's so fucked up in the head. The man who's body cannot break can still be broken. Look at it this way, the expectations that you have for Logan, who is tired of killing and death but is always killing. The never ending pressure to be superhuman, when you just want to fucking die. But nobody cares, people expect more from you. When you went on you rant about Logan becoming a better man, I imagined him handing control of his body to YOU, then just fading away. Your turn~
The "burden of performance" knows no gender my friend. I constantly struggle with my need to be better all the time to prove my worth in this world to everyone.
Erudite1 We definitely understand the burden of performance because 1) we have our own burden of performance heaped on our backs, 2) most art has been from the male POV throughout history so to understand art is to understand men (generally speaking), 3) we witness men struggle with it everyday, we grow up with and live with and love with and hurt with them. Also I absolutely loved Logan and felt deeply connected to all of the main characters - them all being male except for Laura didn't stop me from understanding and empathizing with them.
@@abdallaha92 she also cried talking about Charles dying and the whole farmhouse scene. She did cry about both but yes she cried from the movie and feels
hell yeah regardless of what anyone thinks of the movie or difference of opinion, thats one hell of a movie review, if a movie brought up that many different emotions in people, then it worked, CBG19 what an intense review from her it was good
Me too. Even with her criticisms, I think it's wonderful that she was able to highlight and appreciate opposing opinions. Something several viewers in this comment section obviously didn't care about. P.S. I love your videos +IdeasOfIceAndFire
Mine too. I almost started crying along with her. Goddamn me for being a sympathetic crier. (Also, two of my favorite RUclipsrs on the same page, be still my heart!)
I am gonna give this reviewer some respect because she's giving her honest review of what she thinks about this movie and her personal thoughts. People commenting on the meaning behind Logan like she didn't know. she knows. X-Men is very dear to her I can see that and it's probably why CBG19 saw it differently. And let's be honest.. most of us don't know comics like that. Like me, who know little about X-Men loved the movie and it caught me on my feels and thinks it's perfect. As for someone who know much more about X-Men, thinks the movie is great but it's not what made them fell in love and devoted so much time with X-Men. You got to respect that.. And some of you guy's really got to watch the whole video.
You should review the film for what it is, and not for what you wish it was. She wanted the Xmen from the comics, but instead got this bleak adaptation of something that once gave her so much hope (which is funny, because that's exactly what they talk about in the film) Ultimately, that's the mistake she made, but I don't think we should crucify her for that. Honestly, I like this review a lot. I think people are hypocrites when they try to be unbiased when reviewing something. This is how she feels, and that's why we came here in the first place. Also, I personally don't find the movie great. I think this movie would have been fucking perfect if it hadn't bee for that stupid clone, for a film that is so grounded, tonally it does not fit at all.
+mark33850 I think the clone aspect, although campy was metaphoric in a sense, only logan could defeat himself, similarly how we as people can be our worst enemies at times.
mark33850 "You should review the film for what it is and for what you wish it was." I read the entire comment, but, that particular statement is why I never listen to her reviews regarding the X-Men or Wolverine movies. People like this never judge them on the quality. They almost always want fan service. Even if the movie is good, it sucks by default because it ain't accurate to the comic book. That's terrible.
Chaos Theory apropos to your name, here's an opposing theory. let me start off by stating that as much as i *enjoyed* this movie as a stand-alone film, maybe logan's authentic subversive message isn't that the *X-MEN* failed, at least not *"comic book girl's, animated series, source material x-men"* but the foX-men has failed. Fox's version of the x-men franchise displayed as a bunch of uninspiring, nurfed, constantly afraid, joy-less group of fuck-ups. not for art or story but all for the sake of a corporation's (20th century fox) greedy attempt to hold the franchise hostage far longer than they should've ever had it. whether this movie's creators purposefully baked that message into logan or not, the direction fox took these characters in since the beginning may not have been the best and that this dystopian shit-hole of a future for mutants is the *eventuality* of where the stories they have butchered over the years would ultimately lead. matching the oft-disappointed feelings for much of any given audience leaving the theater of a new foX-men film, they're all dead, dishonored, forgotten and mostly hated in which the previous movies manage to drain all the energy and life out of these amazing characters...such as the fate in this movie of foX-men's *xavier and wolverine*
I get that the movie might have been too dour for some, that's a totally valid reaction. When you talk about art though, look at the intense emotions this movie brought out in you in your own video. Some of the best movies I've seen have been movies that made me re-evaluate or challenge my world views. While you may not have enjoyed the feelings it brought out in you, it made you FEEL something. I can watch Iron Man punch a robot for two hours, or the Avengers "learn to work as a team (again)", or Superman punch a space laser and feel absolutely nothing; whereas for me any movie that engages you and makes you feel something has some merit.
Cole G .... I was thinking the same. All though CG19 didn't love it, and it wasn't a "fun" movie it must have obviously been well done to bring about such a passionate response
Actually this movie really didn't make me feel much of anything, predictable, old washed up super hero already been done with Dark Knight Rises, and worst of all have not really thought much about the movie since I watching it, which meant it lacked depth.
Iceman Frost if you didn't feel anything after watching Logan. When majority of people felt sad, depressed, scared etc. then i think the problem is you.
I think that yes, this movie is about realism and that's why a lot of guys like it, but it was also a lot about Self Sacrifice and the idea of being "useful". Throughout all their lives, Professor X and Wolverine give up so much to help others, always at a cost. Prof X willingly gives himself to help others, but Wolverine unwillingly gave himself. He never wanted to be Wolverine, he never wanted the claws or the adamantium or to be a fighter, but he HAD to be. He had no other option. He has helped so many people but in the end all he gave took from him. I feel that in this movie he is, as always, reluctant to give because he knows one day it will kill him. I think he didn't want lead the kids to Canada because he felt he had nothing left to give. He felt useless and that going with them would further nothing and only end in his death. This is another theme for many men, feeling useful and fearing being useless. Wolverine was weakened in this movie and that made him feel useless. Form his perspective he though, if he couldn't fight then what could he do? Then he sees that the kids are not going to make it to Canada in the end and he realizes he has to go to his death. When he went after those kids he knew it was the end, he felt he wasn't useful anymore; his life was all he had left to give, because he already gave everything else. That fight between Wolverine and his clone was a huge metaphor for a man wrestling with that fact that he is no longer his younger and more useful self. Men see being useful as being able to "do their job", whatever their job may be. Wolverine's job was to fight, he couldn't fight any more but this younger clone could. He had to literally wrestle with his younger help and realize that he couldn't be the only one fighting any more. He needed help. (In the form of Laura killing the clone) Yes, it is extremely depressing. But this movie hit a lot of huge points of mainstream masculinity that many men identify with. They're not good things, they're shitty things and men know it, but we still identify with them. That's why many men liked this movie.
Ryan Baker I agree with your take, but would also like to add a couple thoughts. Logan isn't a happy person, PTSD, alcoholism, & the adamantium bullet. The battles against his clone is cathartic, because he is fighting what he hates about himself. I don't think this derails your take on the masculinity theme, but reinforces it. The other theme is of family and fatherhood. Logan is a shitty dad because Charles was a shitty dad. I actually see this as the silver lining CBG19 was looking for. Logan overcame being selfish like Charles and focused everything on protecting his family. The problem is, it took him too long to see X-23 as family, but he corrected his mistake at the end of his life.
This movie had to deal with realism because death is the core theme right up until the end. The death of the X-men and their cause. With no mutants the x-men have no cause to fight for except for each other. I disagree with your view because I think it's a rather narrow perspective. Keep in mind I'm separating the films from the comics going forward. Wolverine has fought in almost every major conflict in recent history before being used by the Weapon Program. He is Canadian so being drafted seems unlikely. It's a reasonable conclusion that he enlisted voluntarily to fight for causes he believed to be worth the effort. It wasn't until the military wanted to abuse his abilities and betray him that Logan turned his back on fighting other people's wars. However, Charles Xavier proved himself and his cause to Logan by helping him recover his lost past earning the loyalty of Wolverine. Logan would honor that loyalty to Charles by caring for him and taking him someplace that Charles couldn't hurt anyone else for Charles' sake to live in relative peace out in the open in the sunlight for as long as possible. Logan was still "useful" he gave himself a purpose. His reluctance to Laura was initially due her being in the way of getting the Sunstrider and putting Charles in jeopardy. In the end he lets the kids go ahead to Canada because he completed his mission. They were supposed to be safe. He didn't want to go with them because of his declining health and he didn't want to hurt Laura when he dies or kills himself since Charles is also gone. But I think the most powerful piece of imagery is when Laura kills Weapon 24. Weapon 24 is what Logan would have been if Weapon X was successful. He was Logan's Rage and worst fears given form. The one thing Logan could never defeat. As Laura killed 24 and gave Logan the unconditional love he's never had she healed Logan's inner rage. He finally got to know what it feels like. In his final moments he became Professor X by leading the New Mutants to freedom and giving his daughter the same wisdom Charles gave him. And so passes Logan The Last X-Man.
yup females like comic book girl 19 will never understand males in this way thats why she correlated Logan for not being able to pull out his claw in the film as ED ! as a fear men have !
ok.. Im new here... and watching this at work, and totally caught off guard during your PTSD segment. *tears* WTF, how am i just discovering your channel now... bravo. fucking.. BRAVO. Thank you
I was inspired because Logan is flawed, old, and exhausted not tired. Yet all through that movie he did still fight when the rubber hit the road. Even knowing he was outmatched. By his younger self he fought to the very end. The children lived and were free. They had their lives ahead of them in the end because of a tired old man. I see hope in abundance in that ending.
Paused @15:46 I really feel like this happens alot,where people don't like aspects of a movie and they exaggerate the hell out of that aspect. Like so many people saying Supermam destroyed metropolis. That's way off the mark. Same here. Logan didn't sleep in because he was lazy. He was dying. His body wasn't really healing,so he had to recover like anyone else would. You ever heard of someone getting sick and sleeping for two days straight? That's common. But i dont think anyone should be surprised about CBG's reaction. She hates Fox's loose interpretation of the x-men.
Fire JuJu Well Logan was constantly being poisoned by adamantium,plus they were putting things in the water and food to change mutant genes. But since healing factors aren't real, it's hard to say if someone would live forever. Marvel has always said it eventually stops working,so that's been a constant part of his character.
Fire JuJu *Shrugs* I don't know, that's just the way marvel has always done it. His healing factor is usually shown as weaker than Hulk's. They just always say that his healing factor goes away slowly over a long period of time. I think a youtuber tried to explain the "science" behind that. I think it was Comicsexplained but I'm not sure.
Fire Juju, you sound like you haven't watched the movie. Maybe go watch it, then critique the plot. As for "What kind of healing abilities diminish over time?" Humans. Human healing abilities diminish over time. Also virtually every other organism on the planet (with a few exceptions) will have diminished regenerative capabilities as it gets older.
I'm with Roy Latham. This is an effing great movie. I loved it mostly for the very reasons CBG hated it. CBG wanting Logan to be a better man doesn't mean the movie has to be. If your expectations aren't met, you can just enjoy the movie. The "it's a great movie, BUT..." doesn't work here. It IS a good, even great, movie. Period.
As a veteran it touches my heart the sensitivity you have shown to PTSD. I was stateside during desert Storm but have cousins who struggled from battle fatigue and PTSD. You have a beautiful soul, beautiful woman, thank you comic girl 19. You are sweet and kindhearted.
Yes, PTSD is super not ok. Epilepsy is super not ok. Murder super sucks. Whole families getting murdered super extra sucks. Yes, you do have weird personal attachment and projections to this movie. I like how robot is basically your shrink, just asking "Why?" and just hanging back. The movie does give me a message of hope. Logan is about passing the baton to the new generation. Hugh Jackman is doing his last Wolverine role. Apparently, so does Patrick Stewart. While that is sad, they do leave on relatively great notes. I don't believe The executives at Fox can make a single smart decision regarding the marvel heroes movies unless they are forced at gunpoint or whatever. Maybe test footage leaks. ;). The X men comic storyline has been all about fighting the dystopian future. The anti-mutant government, Sentinels, Cable, Dark Phoenix, Bishop. Even the heroes are escapees of a bleak future, warning the present heroes of things to come. Being a Xmen super fan, I thought this would be obvious to you. It's never about Xmen being loved by everyone then they show up and be the hero and everybody wins. That's Spider-Man, that's Fantastic Four. you might want to give the cartoons a rewatch. Things will become worse before they become better. The Hulk greenneck bad landlord antagonist aspect in the comic only works within the comics because of the nemesis history between Hulk and Wolverine, which never appeared in the movies. THANKS competing movie studios.
While I agree she is a bit too emotional, she does have some points because her gripes of the film in regards to his relationship with X-23 is exactly what me and friends thought right after watching the film. Wolverine doesn't show any real affection for X-23 at all and it was annoying. You would think after losing the professor he would listen to his words and pay attention to the girl, but he doesn't... at least barely. They could have built their relationship better so his death meant something. Also I felt like the family being murdered was unnecessary, I thought that whole part of the movie didn't even need to be there and only served to waste 30 or more minutes in the film.
He doesnt show it because he doesnt know how, he never did. This is perfectly shown in the Xavier funeral when he cant find the words to say anything. His actions showed that he cared when he went for her and trusted her at the end same how he would constantly argue with Xavier but his actions were always thinking of him. Also about being "unecessary" for the family to die not it wasnt, people who get mixed up with Logan die,all the time,they didnt do anything to deserve it but what that shows is a microcosm of his whole life where people he cares about die with no warning and he cant save them.
TheToodinho exactly. he said that people he cares for keeps getting hurt and x23 saying then I should be fine. even in origins the old couple died. And the dude hunting logan said funny how people around u keep dying
TheToodinho I think people don't realize is this is the same Logan from DOFP. The Logan that killed Jean, that saw his friends wiped out by Sentinels, that lost so much and ended so many lives. He was an old soldier wanting peace after his family was taken.....again
But Logan DID rise above and fo the right thing. He DID redeem himself. He sacrificed himself for those kids. There IS NO greater sacrifice than to lay your life down for your friends or family. It was the end of the line for Logan. He was dying and died. So no, it's not fun in that respect. But he was the hero Professor X wanted him to be in the end.
Coming back to this review after watching Deadpool & Wolverine. And let me tell you… What a beautiful last hurrah for the Fox universe, for Wolverine and for Laura.
[Spoilers below:] Xavier was unceremoniously killed because, again, that's how people die in the real world. There's nothing meaningful, dramatic, uplifting or spiritual about it. One day, you just cease to exist. However, I wouldn't call his death devoid of any narrative logic. There's a lot of symbolism in that scene (and many others), if you pay attention. Even though Logan became a much better person with the X-Men, one could argue that he's still kind of a morally ambiguous antihero. And, because of that, somewhere in the back of his brilliant mind, Xavier will always view Wolverine as his greatest failure. X24 embodies everything the Professor tried to rid Logan of. Having him succumb to what is, essentially, the incarnation of Charles' greatest fears and failures is kind of poetic. The one mutant he couldn't fully help, that ended up killing him in the process, is Logan.
I'm always fascinated by how anything grim, mean-spirited, and ugly is considered more "real" by people. It says a lot about the outlook we have these days. It says a lot about how warped our minds have become by the narrative presented to us by our media.
JK Clark so if life is full of grim, mean-spirited, ugly people, then a film that showcases that is... not real? Somehow? Or should we sweep the nastier parts of life under a rug and pretend they don't exist?
+Chris No, I implied that people think that stuff is "more" real. Which it isn't. Objectively. Life is no more "full" of bad shit than it is full of good. Saying otherwise is fairly unrealistic, and implies a rather skewed perspective. A perspective based largely on fictions, manipulations, and anecdotal evidence. That ain't real. That's bad methodology. Look, I'm not trying to talk shit, or shit on your worldview. I'm just saying that it's interesting that it's similar to a worldview that's so ubiquitous and ultimately negative. I find that rather sad, and unfortunate. Stephen King once wrote (and I'm paraphrasing from memory here, so apologies): "It's not less realistic for the good guys to win. The good guys win every day. It's just that "Bob got up that morning, went to work, and came home safe to his wife and kids" isn't as interesting a story." Now, what you might take from that is "Happy things are boring", but that's bullshit, and also not the point. The point is, how you get to the end matters more than the end itself. The journey earns the end, not the other way around. There are a lot of interesting journeys that end well in real life and in fiction. Life is "full" of normal, nice-enough, blandly attractive people. Everything else is around the edges. I guess I'm saying a story about an animal man with metal claws cutting cyborgs in the face and dying is no more real than a man coming home safe to his family?
"I'm always fascinated by how anything grim, mean-spirited, and ugly is considered more "real" by people. It says a lot about the outlook we have these days. It says a lot about how warped our minds have become by the narrative presented to us by our media." It doesn't say anything about the media at all.... It's simply a reflection of reality. The world is quite literally a grim, mean-spirited, and ugly place. Hence why people see this type of material as more "real". Life isn't a bed of roses for everyone, and life in most 3rd world countries is beyond grim. It's easy for us to sit behind a computer screen with working electricity, in what is likely an air conditioned room of a house/apartment where the least of our worries is being late for work or something. And if that's your reality, then consider yourself as having won the life lotto. But the reality for a good chunk of the planet is a life and death situation on a daily basis. A hut or shack with no power, no computer, no air conditioning, and not much hope to speak of. So in the case of this film.... you're dealing with a character who's caring for an invalid who killed off the other x-men and is barely hanging on to sanity himself. Compound that with the fact that anyone he's ever been close to has died as a result of proximity. Then wrap it all up in a shell of a character who's been alive for well over 100 years, has seen war after war, killing upon killing, with only occasional glimpses of "a normal life" and only a handful of bright moments, who's now a bitter, grim being, then yeah, that's pretty realistic. And aside from the comic book aspects of the film, many are situations that countless people on this earth actually have to deal with daily. Caring for the terminally ill and sufferers of dementia. Fighting in wars and armed conflict around the globe. This planet isn't some pretty little utopian world, and life isn't sweet it just is what it is. It has nothing to do with the way a media paints it, they just tend to thrive on showing it, and unfortunately we as consumers thrive on watching it, but it has to exist for them to show it.
Chris Stegerean I just think that trailer had people thinking otherwise of the film. They could of went the more fictional hollywood route like the trailer promise and still been a good movie but they decided to go deeper which was great.
I disagree, the movie does give the audience a glimmer of hope. Logan's sacrifice allows his daughter and her comrades to live on to be the new X-men...
The fact that this movie hit you so hard is evidence of its quality. The way to look at it is as a warning that we must keep fighting to avoid a bleak future, not a downer that everything is hopeless.
I had a distant dad too, but I didn't catch the same vibe, I honestly feel like your female perspective makes it a little different. As a male who works with the elderly I saw this movie as beautiful.. Everyone eventually breaks down.. I struggle fighting with depression for as long as I remember, but I do my best for those around me while dealing with myself. That's how I saw Logan. All his friends were gone.. Attachments begin to hurt as time goes on, and people pass.. He knows better than any, he has been around a long time by then. He knew he was breaking down. He did his best with what he had left in him. He did his best with himself, considering what a messed up person he is himself.. and in his last breath passed on some advice. That was the best he had in him. I liked it.
While I can see your point about the "Father Figure", "Why doesn't he seem to care?" aspect... I think that's part of the point. He's done caring. Very wounded, very tired.
Yeah, the man is well over 100 years old, has lost countless people he cared about, has struggled his entire life and here she is bitching because he kept passing out after he was used as a pincushion WHILE HIS BODY WAS BEING POISONED. Just, show some damn empathy. The guy is spent, he just lost Xavier, the last person in the world he felt a connection to. Let the man heal for half a day and finally get the death he's been longing for, after saving people one last time by the way.
Robert Reed that's exactly how I saw that. At this point he's so old and beaten down and he's never been a father to someone and is all of a sudden on a dime supposed to hug her as he's having a nervous breakdown after he buries his cherished friend he's known for decades. And in the end he gives her the best advice he can as he's dying because he saves her life which was to not become what they made her to be.
Nelzevir i think the main thing comic book girl was looking for from this film was hope. that with everything logan has been thru in his abnormally long, mostly painful life, it was still possible for him to change. to be something more than what he's always been...a father
Joe G I think that's what made Logan seem so relatable though. After seeing hope thrive and fall apart time and time again, he stopped getting swept up in it. He was a broken person who had nothing. He was flawed and selfish. He wanted to die. But he sacrificed his life giving people who still had hope a chance. I think it really spoke the idea that even if a person feels helpless and has nothing to live for that they'll still do everything they can to help others who don't see it that way. I thought it was beautiful. Not everyone can relate to Captain Righteousness who saves the world and is perfect in every way. A lot of people are haunted by the mistakes they've made in life. They can't let go even though reliving those moments is so exhausting. Some people just turn everything off and drink to forget. We know we're not the heroes that we should be. He was scared, full of regrets, full of pain, full of anger, he was selfish, and he was tired. He was all of us. I mean, it's not pretty, but it's real. And I think that's what made it beautiful. It was the best movie I saw all year and I applaud them for not dumbing it down to be more palatable. I thought that was really refreshing.
Awesome video CB19. Glad to see your passion when talking about how comic books have impacted your life. Also glad to see how you understand and accept the metaphor of wounded soldiers and PTSD, which quite frankly I did not even see until you mentioned it. Thx again, and keep this channel up!
I guess from a certain point of view. There's like a dozen different interpretations one could give to Logan's final opponent being himself at his prime.
X-24 is Wolverine the weapon. It's what Stryker intended him to be - a mindless killing machine they point at whatever they want to die. It's his past, in the flesh, right in front of him. We know Logan's haunted by his past, what was done to him, what he became as a result of that. What's it like, essentially seeing that ghost of your past come back to destroy everything you love and care about? Seeing yourself in it?
Do you believe the fact that he dies pinned to a tree would be a indication he is some sort of a redeemer of the X-men? This would tie in with Laura making the cross on his grave into an X.
The mass of men live lives of quiet desperation... Logan makes you feel that exact, unspoken desperation so many of us do. Especially guilt... for things we will never admit. Logan hit that nail right on the fucking head.
ChocolateNoodle I was watching this review with my father and he said the same thing. He feels that for himself and because of me and my sister,and I feel that for myself and my father. When you're a kid,you think your dad is invincible and he lets you think that and works for it,but time shows you the opposite.
I think the end is bittersweet and uplifting. As a child I grew up with the Xmen films and as much as they are not accurate to the comics that was my introduction. And that ending was my childhood hero sacrificing himself to save and protect children. Doing the thing always implied in the films and saving people. Wolverine comics have always had sad endings, the old man logan comic had a sad ending. The ending was logan putting his faith in children and his daughter to be better than he was. The scene from the film in the movie cements this talking about how killing is a brand and it sticks, It is literally the theme of the film. Wolverine believes he is a killer but Laura doesn't need to be. That's why laura needs to kill the evil logan, the evil logan represents the unrelenting killer logan sees himself as.
Dystopian is the opposite of utopian. It's usually featuring more wrong with it than the main characters' friends are dead and people drink genetically enhanced sports drinks. 1984 is dystopian, Hunger Games is dystopian, Old Man Logan is dystopian, Days of Future past features a dystopian future. Logan is only dystopian if you think the anti-utopian feel and situation the main characters are in is felt or experienced society wide... this does not appear to be the case. People speculated it was based on the trailers because the film features a run down look, similar to Looper. But that's largely because of where those scenes take place.
To the idiots above dictionary.com "a society characterized by human misery, as squalor, oppression, disease, and overcrowding." The characters are in misery, society at large is not portrayed that way in Logan.
There are no police to hep children. A black family can't even have drinking water and that reality is being enforced by the local law enforcers. The little bit we saw was pretty much dystopian.
Patrick Stewart gave an Ammmazing performance. All the actors did really. But it broke my heart to see this once great leader, the glue that holds things together so fragile dependent on Logan to keep him grounded mentally. P. Stewart performance moved me to tears. Bravo Sir
I feel like her issues are that it's not "fun" and expected Logan to become some magical super dad. Had they gone the route she explains at 14:20, it would have been a huge disservice to the film. Out the gate, a clone is not your child. It's a clone. While yes, she's a cute little girl, expecting him to blink and become Father of the Year is insane. Especially given all the insane stuff he's seen. Finding out someone cloned you isn't exactly groundbreaking. What he did made total sense for the character and his time as Wolverine. Conflicted but reluctantly doing the right thing. And shes' wrong. He DID NOT let them go on their own. They actually left early while he was sleeping. That's why he was confused when he woke up. He wasn't being lazy. He was literally dying. He barely heals anymore and basically had to fight his way there. They had to lift him up. And what is this redemption shit? Redemption for what? He didn't do anything he needed to be redeemed for. Now if they had kept the original plot point where he killed the XMen then yes. Her argument would kind of make sense. But in this movie he's done nothing he needed to be redeemed for.
@ComicBookGirl19 I'm a veteran and what really stuck with me was the line 'you have to find a way to live with it.' This movie was very black and depressing and without much hope, but X-23 represented hope that a new generation can find their own way. Ultimately Wolverine died as he lived: fighting, in pain, and lonely but not alone. Life is always hard and each person needs to find their own path; not alone and stoic like Logan, but to find their path with the help of others.
I think Logan was perfect. Wolverine is an anti-hero, and somewhere around 100 years old. He has seen people he cares for die, time and time again. He did everything he possibly could for X-23, even if he did it like an ornery curmudgeon. Ultimately I think she also got what she needed from him, maybe not what she wanted..but definitely what she needed
yeah if logan were like "ok kid i'll be your dad now," it would be totally unlike his character.. especially if he had been through the kind of shit he went through in the movie story arc. i think he ultimately proved he cared for her in the end. i think she might be projecting a little onto the character lol which is fine honestly. i mean i understand how she feels. but we're talking about wolverine here.. he's not that far away from a wild animal and the barriers he put up around himself emotionally i think would make him act just this way
I think her point wasnt really that it was bad the way it was... I think she totally gets and even feels it. It's just that she has a personal thing with the xmen giving her hope for her idealistic views and fight, it is like her drive or stands for it. It *was* perfect the way it was, but it was a world she doesnt *want* to link to the one thing that kept her going in her life as a teenager and so on... It's like wind blowing in your face all your life and this helped her and gave hope and strength - and the movie cruelly ripped all that apart. This wasnt really a review, more like a "reacts to" video I guess
If you look at the foreground, yes the movie may have ripped that hope apart, But think about the experience the kids had. This was their origin story in the making. They were hiding and running when logan found them. By the end they were using their powers to neutralize the threat. They were all changed for the better. The hope was there..I think some people may have missed it.
You have just made me a fan for life. It's like you think just like me. I sit here listening to you say shit that I have thought in my head for years. This is the most entertaining thing I have seen on RUclips. Thank you for this. Please continue to make these vids! I thoroughly enjoy them.
I'm in the military and I felt what you said. I have a daughter and those feelings did tie into this movie. the world is dark. all you can do is make sure that little girl understands how beautiful and ugly things are and she becomes another beautiful things in it. carry on @CB19 embrace the chaos
In my head cannon, Wolverine woke up after the end of the movie and crawled out of his cairn. Then he became the headmaster of a new Canadian based X Mansion, teaching a new generation of mutants.
Just wanted to put it out there that it took a lot of guts and where-with-all to put your emotions out there for public display. There are very few people out there in this day and age who would do what you did. You are totally awesome! The world needs more CB19s out there! Loyalty and Courage, Semper ad Hostes and Hang Tough!!!
I get where you're coming from with the whole female perspective thing since ya know, also a female, but for me, like watching it I was watching this massive suicidal struggle that Logan was going though. This whole notion of having to hide your feelings of how suicidal you feel and how it's a shame he has to hide and yeah while he was a reluctant participant to helping the kids, he fought to his last breath and he died saving them and the dream, while he didn't chose to redeem himself he's fighting something within himself and he allows himself to give in and he doesn't get the ideal peaceful end he wanted, but he sacrificed that for his daughter because he stopped being selfish in that way, which imo is the biggest way. I think it's more about completeing a circle and giving into responsibility. Also not to mention what an issue male suicide rates are, I think it's a great film.
Thank you. You might be the first woman I've ever heard actually acknowledge the male suicide rates. Most people really don't give a shit, if media has taught me anything.
How does she grow if they infused her bone with adamantium? When it was done to Logan, he was a full grown man. She's 11. Good luck growing up, I guess.
ha holy shit, I had never considered this point before! I wonder if they ever address it, or just ignore the problem hoping that not enough people ever realise it? I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
deaconx In wolverine at least, the metal isn't grafted to the entirety of his skeleton. It's in sections. I would imagine, it's the same with her. Perhaps the metal, if it is sectional, would shift while she grows. Idk. While you're plot hole point is actually a really good one, I think there may be a comic books explanation for that. The actual claws are fully covered though. If there's bone claws in there, I can see that creating a problem.
Comicbookgirl19, my favorite part of your channel is that you always keep it real. Thank you for that. Keep struggling, fighting your fight and doing your thing. I believe you inspire people with every video you make. You certainly inspire me!
15:00 - 16:10 - With respect, but your rant had me rolling my eyes and feeling nauseous...this is the reason men are tired. It's easy to talk about responsibility, leadership, and being an amazing man when it's someone else that needs to do the heavy lifting. All you've done is use a boatload of euphemisms which are pretty much summed up as "Defend this until your dead" or "Murder those 24 armed people other there". Like all men, we just get "tired" of it, and Logan is no different. Be grateful you got one last *good* fight out of him before the end. Because I get the feeling you'll be digging up his corpse to thrust even more responsibility onto him to satisfy yourself... I love your channel - keep up the good work.
SPOILERS I loved this depiction of Logan. He's so flawed and tired, he just wants to rest (die). I think he did redeem himself (he fucking gave his life for the kids, even while wanting to run away). He wasn't happy, but he was a hero. I don't ever recall seeing such emotional moments in any other comic book movie. It reminded me of my dad (wolverine), my grandma (xavier) and me. This is the classic and tragic tale that the men go through. They die to protect women and children.
yu S. I think it's important to note that he demonstrated that he cared about her in his speech to Laura in the cabin Logan says: "I'm not whatever you think I am." That is such a loaded statement: "I'm not a superhero, (he never was intentionally, he was a brawler, Weapon-X, a murderer, an assassin, the bane of all those who love him or he loves, and finally a terrible son and caretaker), I'm not a leader (again, not his function, sure he'd step up in a moment of crisis, but would always look to delegate or acquiesce first) and finally I'm not you're father." Not only did he have no agency in her conception (his DNA was stolen) but Logan emphasizes this by illustrating that everyone who died helping her never asked for their lot. Especially Logan, he knew what getting involved would get him would get them and got sucked in anyways. He's convinced, by a lifetime of evidence, that being a father figure to Laura/X-23 would only make her like him and lead to pain and suffering for her. From her perspective, that doesn't matter because she needs someone, anyone to show her the way forward and Gabriella convinced her that the comic book Logan will save her. Logan knows saving her means his death, he probably knows he'll die soon regardless, but letting her go without him, in his mind, is a kindness. She's better off without him. It's likely that if the mercenaries hadn't caught up to them; Laura would have looked back on her time with Logan and been grateful that she didn't learn from him and ended up sad and miserable like him. Instead, she'll idolize him because in the end he sacrificed himself for her and the other children like the comic hero they thought he was and they will remember him fondly instead of a cautionary tale.
Yeah, and he plainly stated that everyone that he cares about dies. That was painful to watch. And people still looked up to him as a hero (maybe in part due to the comics), but it seems he felt like an impostor and indeed, people around him die by his hands or the hands of his enemies. The conditions of the story were extreme, but very relatable IMO. I think I might watch this one again.
I don't know about that, I didn't watch every episode of her. It kinda pisses me off though that she blames companies for the evils of the world and thinks that feeling sad because of something like men having to die is a bad thing. It's not bad that the world is dangerous, but facing this fact and feeling sad about it is what is bad apparently. It's good to feel sad sometimes, especially if it's due to facing reality. But hey, at least she looked honest. Maybe she should talk more to those marines.
+yu S. Can you clarify your last comment? What pisses you off and why? I'm not sure what you were talking about. Is it what CBG19 said about companies? What did you mean to say about sadness being bad? I didn't quite understand.
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Thanks for opening up and leaving your emotional reaction in the video. it was very powerful and I teared up with you when you broke... now this isn't a criticism or meant to be negative but I think your expectations clouded your opinion of the movie... you didn't see it for what it was, you saw if for what it wasn't compared to what you wanted/expected it to be... this isn't a father/daughter movie. it's a story about the world weary soldier, the reluctant hero, the gunslinger who's seen way too much... it very much, and in some places pretty much smacks you in the face with it being analogous to the movie westerns "unforgiven" and "shane".. and in my opinion, that it borrows a bit too on the nose from those works, well, it causes this movie to fall short of having the same brilliance, even as good a movie as it is... but I digress... there is redemption and hope in this movie, just not in the way you were exactly expecting.. this isn't a "superhero movie" at all. it's a movie about real people that happen to have fictitious powers and that's a large part of it's brilliance. it does have very heavy themes and tone for the most part but all the hope, love, and all of that is not outwardly ever stated in dialog, but in the characters actions alone. in fact, Logan himself actively rejects trying to care and be involved, he is that broken of a man.. he's seen and has done way too much violence in his life to think otherwise. he could never see himself as a "hero" but yet, in his actions.. he still very much is.. he cannot leave people to their fate, even as much as he thinks he is the cause of their misery... he still has to protect them and in the end, knowing he is no longer invulnerable due to his sickness, he still charges in one last time to give these mutant children a chance at a better life even tho he knows this truly will be the death of him, perhaps the first time in his long life he's ever faced the threat of real death due to his healing factor... yet once he sees the drones and the reavers going for the children, he cannot help himself to rush in to help save them.. and that is a true hero.. it's not the invulnerable, knowing he can't really be hurt, saving people.. it's the person that knows he might well die, yet still goes in despite that fear... and the incredible love he shows for Xavier, dedicating his life to caring for him after him accidentally wiping out most of the x-men... he wouldn't ever admit it, but you can see it in his actions... in fact, it's shown in how the only person he actually listens to is Xavier.. he continuously rails against anyone getting close to him, to anyone looking for help.. because he thinks of himself as a monster that gets people close to him killed. yet despite his broken exterior and words, he still cannot sit by while others are in danger... you wanted a happy ending, you wanted a father/daughter redemption.. and yes, the trailers did tease that but as we know, all trailers lie. many times they are misleading and most times not even made by anyone connected with the creation of the film... I think if you give it some time, then go back and watch it a few times over the next few months.. you'll start to see the movie for how it actually is, not how you were expecting it to be... and also start seeing where there is actually a subtext of hope and redemption, it just wasn't what and where you expected it to be... and I understand why you felt that way, you have a specific personal connection to the source material the x-men comics... so do I, I read them in my early teens which happened to be in the early 80's (I'm turning 47 this year, damn, I could sympathise with some of the themes in this movie about getting older).. it's fine to want an x-men movie that is done well and gives you that same uplifting feeling you originally had with the comics but your nostalgia shouldn't really negate the merits of a well told story.. this wasn't going to be that movie but should be judged more on it's own merits (and I think it will by you, once you get a little time and distance from your expectations about it)... I simply think you took a lot of expectations in with you as to the tone and what story was being told and those expectations made it hard for you to get the movie for what it actually is rather than what and where you thought it was going to go... you didn't judge it on it's own merits but on what you wanted it to be... but give it some time, then watch it with fresh eyes and I think you might see a different movie... I've noticed that this happens at times to me as well, with movies, music and such.. sometimes it takes a bit before I see it for what it actually is over my initial reaction and after repeated viewings/listenings and time, my opinion changes... that's why many "legendary classic" movies are sometimes only seen as such years after their initial release... Citizen Kane took some time before it was seen as the classic masterpiece it actually turned out to be... many times truly great artists aren't usually discovered and reveared until after their death... take Vincent van Gogh, he couldn't sell one damn painting to pay for a meal near the end of his life... and now he's reveared as one of the greatest painters of all time... on a smaller scale, some of my long time and most treasured musical artists are some that I completely rejected at first... but what I see from your own comments in the video are that it didn't match up to the picture in your head that you had for it... you need to see it without that picture you built up to really properly experience the movie.... it's not gender bias, or age bias.. it's just simple expectation bias that you have.. I think once you can get past that, through time and perspective, you will see a different movie in Logan. or not, honestly, only time will tell if what I am saying is true.. you may not ever fully embrace this movie as I do and that's ok, it's neither right or wrong... it's how you feel about it.. it's all opinion and subjective... the only reason i write this is because I can see the clues are there in how you describe your feelings about it, I could be wrong.. but this movies has some deep layers, especially with it's acting and doesn't go where you'd expect it to go at some points.. it has some faults... bullet ex machina and seizure at casino ex machina as two to be sure... but it's a damn fine movie, it's heart and hope are just not worn on it's sleeve... cheers to you CBG19! much love and respect.
I was kidding about the unedited version btw, lol.. honestly, I just type and think pretty fast. it just comes out that way.. I know, TLDR happens, but I only tend to go super concise if I am in a larger public discussion.. this was more a direct message in response to the video that I hope she reads, silly as that is... rather than any kind of debate on a topic.. read it or not, up to you..
I disagree Deadpool wasn't the first R rated Marvel movie. Blade was. you know the movie bout the half man half vampire and he's black. He was the first. Just forgotten.
m7722850206 Right on! Exactly what I was thinking... Blade was WAY ahead of it's time, and was a box office success, if memory serves. I was sitting in the middle seat, in the 8th row on opening night, with fully dilated pupils, and it was AWESOME, as it was on later on dvd with normal-sized pupils, and I just watched it again last week, and it still rocks! Glad I'm not the only one who remembers that far back, lol. Blade 2 is the shit as well. Have a good one, m... Peace!
fuck off with the mansplaining she didn't even say marvel dumbass she said fox which is accurate, the blade series was by new line cinema, shes 100% right to say would fox never have made this movie above a pg-13 rating if deadpool hadn't done so well last year
So when you're 133 years old and slowly dying from blood poisoning and you've lost everyone you ever loved and JUST buried your last friend you can tell us all how you gave your daughter, who you only found out about a couple days ago, a great big hug and went strolling to the ice cream parlor. I get being disappointed by a film but his motivations as a character and a person didn't come across as false or cheap they were genuine.
I loved Logan, but this is truly my favorite RUclips video... so honest, well done yet raw...that cognitive dissonance keeps me coming back. I don’t know how many times I’ve rewatched this video. I Definitely connect this to my cars stereo every time I have a 3+ hour drive. This is where RUclips shines. Love it, big fan of you guys. Keep em coming
I saw a different movie. Those kids had the most horrible childhood, yet they were able to unite, to create a family and to survive through hope. That was possible thanks to comics. Eden wasn't real, they made it real inspired by the comics. It sends a powerful message about the power of art and the power of people to inspire. Yes, if that is the future it is horrible, but hope remains as long as we keep fighting, like Logan at the very end.
Your female point of view is not my female point of view. It's your own point of view regardless of gender. She isn't his daughter, she's his clone, and if he developed paternal feelings for her in that short amount of time with everything he had been through it wouldn't have felt authentic. It had to grow. There's hope, but it's the hope in the new generation. The dream isn't dead, it evolved and is still there in the children that he GAVE HIS LIFE TO SAVE.
Heather L Well said. Logan’s supreme sacrifice was his only doorway into spiritual atonement for the violence, physical suffering, angst and anger that made up his world. Logan can never have human or clone love. Logan needed to meet his maker-the Source- to find peace some sense of greater Harmony. The sad fact is that it isn’t in this world now for most of us... whether you’re CBG19 wanting a dad or a vet or almost anyone else who suffers. Most of us.
Super Sablei your right i think this is a movie, like unforgiven or other viceral movies, that you have to watch multiple times befor youcan comprehend what you are watching
Logan was touching. As a man nearing his thirties I have to say that a lot of those fears are starting to creep up on me. It comes with age and realizing ones mortality. It's harrowing, in a way. Your head is still in the game but you can't really put out the amount of power you could when you were younger and you're slowly starting to feel useless and weak in way that just shreds your remaining hopes and dreams. And that's not even mentioning the crushing weight of that particular kind of fatigue that comes with just being tired of life and living and the slowly increasing weight of all the experiences you accumulate over the years, good and bad. The hard truth is that the bad experiences end up outweighing the good and at some point you reach that place where the good memories become a painful reminder of a reality that is out of your hands to realize or entirely a part of a past that is with absolute finality dead. It's not like I give up and go find a noose or emo-up my wrists but it certainly makes some days difficult. There's definitely days when you find yourself staring at a patch of wall for a few hours and have no sense of time passing. Given that I feel this way now, without having experienced the hell of war on top of that, it makes Logan's reaction to things in the move make sense to me given that he's lived for centuries and have seen things that would probably make me put my own head through a wall. Being a man isn't the shiny gilded throne of privilige that many women think it is, (not saying that you think that)there's a lot of drawbacks to being a man. One of which is the sense of expendability and workhorse mentality you're supposed to fit in with as a man. You're supposed to die. For what isn't entirely clear and varies a lot depending on circumstance but the underlying cultural theme is that you're supposed to work/fight/provide/protect until you drop and when you can't anymore (because of age or trauma) then you're useless and worthless as a human being because you can't "be the man" anymore. Most of us are subconsciously conditioned into thinking that we should die in the line of duty before we become a burden to others. Growing old terrorizes me, and I've entertained a lot of horrid thoughts on the subject of how I want to die for about a decade now. Honestly, I'm not sure how I stand on that yet. Logan touches on a lot of those themes and that's why it hit me so hard. There's a lot of other things in this movie to comment about but all in all I'd say it was a very good movie and sort of a fond farewell to the old x-men movies. I honestly had to bite back tears at the end because, you know, he did die with his heart in his hand. At the very end he was a father who loved his daughter.
It really was brave of you to not cut your heavier feels from this video. Thank you. That compassion you showed for those with PTSD does not go unnoticed.
I usually agree with her on most of the movies, but when she started talking about how Wolverine denied X-23, and how at the end, he slept in. There's several things. Once Charles dies, he's still in mourning and Laura is trying to push him to go to North Dakota so she can meet her friends at Eden. He just lost the man he considered a father figure to himself, and now he's realizing he's the only one of the X-Men left. He was pushing forward because Charles was with him. But eventually, during his time at the camp, he started to act more fatherly towards Laura, even talked to her. As for sleeping in, he felt that the kids could get to Canada without him, thinking that the corporation hunting them wouldn't be able to find them now. He felt he wasn't needed anymore and let them keep the rest of the money he was going to get from them. However, once they left, and he saw the drones, that's when he knew Laura and the kids could be in danger. So he went to be that father figure to protect them because he knew that while he's sick, he can still do something to redeem himself to help these young mutants so someone that he feels can teach them better than he can, live longer than he could to give them the hope, to help them become better mutants. He wants to keep the future alive, and he knew he no longer had that place, because he knew he was dying and knew that he had to fight one last time, to make sure the kids continued on and lived for him for all X-Men he was a part of. For Charles especially. Then when she talks about the PTSD, that's when it clicked in the most as to why he didn't want to fight and it is something I should've realized, even without having been a part of the military, I've heard and known people with PTSD, and I should've known that was what Logan was going through. However the biggest feels hit came to me, when it was nearing the end, how Laura kept calling him Daddy while crying. I'm not even a father(I want to be some day) and that scene hit me hard. Because in a way, Logan had been acting like a father during most of the movie. He was very stern and strict with her, surely, but he still acted like a father, trying to teach her right and wrong, but also let her know that comics are pure fiction, even if it's about his life, most of it is fiction, and not to believe every word or every panel shown. He was doing fatherly things, just the 'Strict Father' routine. It was near the end when he actually learned more compassion, and showed more, by trying to work with her and save her during the big battle. That's how I got hit hard at the end and he's dying. He showed love and compassion to her, and that's why she showed she realized that he truly was her father, even in spite of the strict nature from beginning to near the end.
Also, how could you not see the hope still? Even Charles could see the hope, right from the beginning! Most of the movie we learned that no more new mutants are being born. None. Yet, here's this little girl, that came from a facility full of mutants. These children were the hope, and that was why Logan saved them. The children were saved and they ran to Canada, and in Canada they can learn more about their powers, grow up, and then they can change the world for the better. Sometimes relics from the past, need to die, so that the future can be changed by those that will live long enough to make it for the better. Those children were the hope, and they're now safe, and will change the future for the better and conquer the evil plaguing the world.
The Logan/Laura relationship is realistic when you are looking at it from the perspective of an adopted child or a child who never really had a father in their life. Sometimes when you meet your biological father it can go horribly wrong and he can let you down massively. Not because he doesn't love you or because he doesn't want to. But because he doesn't know how to be a father. Because up until that moment you walked into his life he's never had to be one. Sometimes the thought of being a father can scare a man. Especially when said man knows he is a seriously flawed human being with some major demons. Logan's relationship with Laura is very complex and beautiful. I could relate to it because I could see myself in Laura. Wanting this seriously flawed man to just man up and be my DAD! But in the real world, sadly we can't always get what we want.
So weird to see someone in these days showing an emotion that is not anger or hate, as weird as see someone that is not enclosed in his own ideas and reasonings rejecting others as incorrect.
The reason Logan is so reluctant to take Laura is because up until then hes had everything hes cared about taken from him. His wife, his friends, the x-men, Charles. Everything he cared about was taken away and he doesn't want to get attached to anyone or anything else because he knows rheyll be taken away too. You constantly see him switching between protecting Laura to not giving a shit in a way a real person would and real people do on a daily basis. He struggles with finding out if shes worth it to him and in the end he decides that she is. He knows whats its like to finally have a real family who loves him (not in a way the xmen do) and that's his redemption as he goes to save his daughter and the children. It is definitely bleak but its down to earth and real and that's why I liked this movie. Hes also depressed as shit so that doesn't really help matters.
Brad D I totally agree. but adding to his very human depression and mourning over Xavier (who seemed to me to be the only reason wolv had not used the bullet he carried around)was the fact that he was dying. He literally passed out many times at Eden even after being administered the serum to help him heal.
My first thought. Also bare in mind - Logan was fightning for like 200-300 years, lost everyone he has cared for, so it's like ptsd x 20000. If he was like cbg19s version, then the movie would be mega dumb and predictible.
Brad D, you nailed it. Spot on.
"so this what it feels like".
I agree...That's what I took from his behavior towards Laura. It made it that much more emotional every time he made the decision to help her, especially at the end when they were running from the soldiers and you hear Logan scream in the background after he drank that stuff.... It made that moment so powerful, knowing he's ready to go all out for Laura and her friends and put his life on the line for them.
The thing that hit me in this movie is how much I saw my father in Logan. From what I hear he was a wild guy, constantly fighting, tough, all that. Now he's been working a job that is absolutely destroying his body. It absolutely shatters me. His distant stares, he pukes from stress every morning, his drinking. But the thing is this movie actually gave me hope in a weird way. He's in so much pain he was addicted to pain killers for years, and he quit them for his family. Because he wasn't him and he loved us so much he he'd rather suffer through the pain and be with us rather than check out.
I used to expect to come home and see my dad with his brains splattered on the wall with his own gun in his hand. Yet this movie shows that this grizzled man, like my father, will keep marching on and ultimately do everything he can for those he loves, it did give me hope.
For me ultimately this movie was hopeful. My dad will never get a moment to step up and be Captain America, but he can get his chance to be Logan and keep fighting until he can't. I guess the realism of it gave me hope, because ultimately it is a happy ending, if my dad on his death bed could feel at peace I'd be unbelievably happy and hopeful for my future.
Sorry I just wanted to offer my two cents, and I am a male so that might affect my opinion of the movie
Justinian In A Box Fucking A man
i can't believe this was six years ago. i still tear up watching it. we need more danika xix's in this world.
Damn. The talk about PTSD, and CBG's understanding of it just caught me way off guard. Thank you so much for that. Not a lot of us, the men and women who feel just that way, ever get to feel like somebody else understands that feeling. I'm in love.
It was totally unexpected and took a totally diff turn for a review. I don't suffer from PTSD but it really breaks me when I hear about ppl struggling mentally, physically, emotionally. I know alot of ppl feel like I do but became a bigger fan of hers hearing how she feels on the subject. She saw deep into this movie way more than those who just review it in it's face value of a story.
He DIED to save those kids... he was DYING. He didn't exactly "sleep in." Logan, was BROKEN... mind, body, and soul. He didn't just phone it in. And I feel he DID get that redemption. He DID become a better man. Their dream didn't fail... it took on a new form. The hope you didn't see was alive and well in those kids. Logan have those kids the chance they needed to brave this new world...
I think it's a mix of both. She admitted to her bias, and obviously as she's stated again and again she's connecting from her own personal life experiences. She's just expressing what she felt and it's obvious that these characters mean so much to her. I don't think she's wrong, just honest.
Leslie Burdick... yup I agree
Yeah, she also ignored the part where Logan tells Laura the night before about everyone he's loved being harmed. It's a cliché, sure, but it is addressed.
I feel that he resisted so much because he was broken in mind, body, and spirit. He couldn't do it anymore. Everything he ever cared about was dead or dying, and the world couldn't give a damn.
He was done with trying to save the world, done with the decades of fighting and killing. He had a huge enough responsibility with taking care of Charles and couldn't get involved in anything to distract from that.
When Charles died, he lost the last thing he was holding on to in the world, and angry that there was now something else creeping into his acceptance of a slow painful death. In the end, he couldn't walk away from it and sacrificed himself to save the next generation.
but the x-men universe is tragic. how many years of fighting for acceptance and still no progress. this world will have long accepted minorities and the lgbt community before it makes peace with mutants. xavier has the worst of it all. you take a man dedicated to peaceful amalgamation of human and mutant communities and shit on his dream by making him the murderer of the students he loves, you deny him a good relationship with his own biological children who end up becoming extremely dangerous and problematic (in the comics). Finally he gets killed by a clone of logan in the movie and in the comics he's killed by scott summers who betrays him for magneto's idealogy. these mutants are stuck in purgatory
This review gave me life
CBG19's absolute unconditional PASSION is what sets her apart
In this continuity, Logan is 184 years old, much of which is him being beaten and bloodied and dealing with adamantium poisoning. Not to mention all the emotional trauma of losing everyone he's cared about in horrifically brutal ways. He's not sleeping in, he is completely defeated, inside and out, and can't muster the energy to continue. Plus his healing factor isn't really working and the day before he was hacked up by his clone, which would certainly be exhausting.
Wow. Your emotions on your sleeve in this video when talking about your past and your feedback from soldiers was incredibly powerful. This transcends any movie review I have ever seen. Thank you for your amazing creativity and honesty.
Something that hit me hard, though I started crying in the theater several times, was watching Prof. X and W struggle with X's mental deterioration. I have been living and caring for my grandfather with Alzheimer's, and their real life family stuggle really hit me hard. His scene in the bed talking to who he thought was Logan was so humanizing and well delivered. I felt his pain acutely.
I do have a problem with the lack of hope in the film, though I appreciate the many layers of social commentary. This touches on so many layers of why our society is f*d up... and where we could end up if we don't take control of our lives back from the corporations.
Lauretta Cocke Logan is a film of hope. TBH. charles never stopped convincing logan to live a normal life and give Laura a future. Logan may have really suffered, but he really cared for Laura. more than what it seems like. It's really a lesson for me. that nothing is too late in life. most specially for the people you love
Same. Seeing Xavier go through what my grandparents went through was hard to watch for me, and that's why his death struck me the most.
That scene in the beginning where Xavier says "I always know who you are. it's just that sometimes I don't recognize you" hit me very hard. Actually the whole part where he was inside the water tank was very close home to me.
My grandfather stopped recognizing my mother when his disease was advanced. He would cry like a child and ask to see his daughter, but wouldn't believe the woman in front of him was her. Except for a few moments he remembered and acted kinda like Xavier did in that scene. Then he would slip back again into some old memory and start talking about peanut butter and other silly stuff, not unlike earlier in that scene when Logan first enters the room.
I'm looking after a disabled and slightly brain damaged friend, with various other health issues, whose wife and family abandoned him at a hospital, when he was sick and suffering dementia. Every day, I'm grateful he's alive and still able to see and think clearly. My biggest fear, is that he won't live much longer or worse, lose his identity or forget the recent events. I understand what a lot of people are going through now in real life and the friendship between Wolverine and Professor X in this film. It reminds me, almost too much, of my life and my friend's troubles.
if you dont want to give your life to corporations stop buying their stuff. You probably should meant government. But yeah, i work with in elderly care and professor x felt very real to what such a brain disease looks like
RUclips seriously needs a "hug" button...
No.
Kevin Smith's review said he was likened to Moses: Leading his people to the border of the promised land but not being allowed in b/c he isn't pure.
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I love this review. Everytime. Thank you for been this sincere and passionate about the xmen and whats behind them.
Her reaction proves the quality of the film. Everyone doesn't have to like a piece of art for that art to be a success. She was moved, and her visceral reaction proved the effectiveness of the piece. It rendered a reaction for her, different from mine but a visceral reaction, and that is what great art is supposed to do.
Comic Book Girl 19; thank you for your compassion. I served for 20 years and to hear such concern coming from a different point of view gives me hope for this future. JP
Very interesting points of views.
What did you serve? Ice-cream? Seriously though, I was a russian marine myself, and this stuff is overrated. Armies are parasytes.
armies are essential and peace is a dream
mohammed amr walk over a landmine and come back and tell us again how essential armies are.... please!
Stefan Forrer no thanks i can tell you now
I love how emotional the movie made you and not fake about expressing yourself.. Your super passionate, stay that way
This is the first review I've seen of yours, and the first honest review I've ever seen in my life. Thank you! You speak from the heart and speak from your own experiences and how you relate to the movie and to the graphic novels/comic books. It's refreshing!
I don't think Logan just slept in... They left without ever saying anything and decided to let him rest. I think that was a crucial learning points for X-23 as she was being kinda passive aggressive and thought she could do everything on her own. I guess I just had a different view on the movie.
Also, no offense but all of your criticisms come from a place of what you wanted vs. what you got. And I think that's what the movie wanted to do. The movie kept referencing the comics and calling them lies, and I think that was on purpose. They were trying to be real, and in reality, there's not always a light at the end of a tunnel. The real world is often bleak and depressing. It's up to us to keep fighting through and make our own happiness. That's what X-23 and the rest of the kids did.
The problem with that is that Logan made it pretty clear in the previous scene that he didn't want anything more to do with Laura or any of the other kids.
I don't think he even slept in..he was all fucked up from the fight with x24, like what? she says Logan doesn't care, Logan is mentally and physically fucked up, and he decides to go and help the kids and thanks to that, they stayed alive
1moreastronaut sure, but I think had x-23 woken him up and talked to him rationally, he would've helped them to the border. However, the way it all went down was very fitting for both characters' arcs. Logan got his redemption and Laura learned that her actions can affect more than just herself
I agree with the movie as is, FYI. But I certainly understand why the redemption for Logan would have been more poignant had he made the choice to take a stand with the kids prior to them leaving Eden.
In my opinion, it would have had a detrimental effect on the movie, as that was the point where the anti-hero in just about every other Hollywood movie would have changed his tune. As such, I applaud the makers of Logan for doing things differently. But again, I get why CBG would have preferred it the other way.
Hey, CBG19 never give up! You really inspire me and your content is amazing! I also appreciate your vulnerability in this video:) I really wanted to hug you:)
I'm a disabled Veteran and it broke my heart to see her cry for us. I've deployed to Iraq in Basra and South of Baghdad. After a few deployments I stopped helping others. Tired of everything at times. You have to take it day by day.
@@existenceisrelative I'm not crippled...your assumptions are alot. I'll answer your questions but you clearly have alot of emotions in these questions.
1. I joined (after college) to be apart of something more than just myself. I went overseas and actually helped people. Fed people, protected people. I was an 11b(infantry) in the Army for 11 years.
2. If I had a choice to do it all over again I would. Even with the PTSD and neurological damage. You assumed alot. It's sad that you can't think beyond what the TV tells you. That's why I joined to be something more. Why do you care? Why ask something and assume rude things?
@@existenceisrelative I don't like being called crippled. I'm not helpless and I'm not pretending. You asked a question in a rude manner. You want to act narcissistic and pretend to be something more than who you are? Then go ahead. Your comments are very snarky and shows an over inflated ego of no self worth and insecurities. I don't owe you anything. I politely answered your childish questions and you wanna continue to act like a crybaby that plays scrabble? I really could care less on what you assume. I don't have any regrets. You don't mention anything about yourself which is very interesting.
You're clearly someone who has never served. I'm gonna assume of you candor that you are very inept and a coward in person. You only feel strong online hiding. This is why you act this way. On a keyboard you are free but in person you lack anything real or that has worth. Maybe you're crippled.
@@existenceisrelative or maybe you did serve. For some reason you had something happen to you and you are taking your frustrations out on me. You are clearly angry at something. Triggered as people say these days
Logan is a character defined by one word. Misery. He has found happiness, briefly, in taking Jubilee and Kitty Pride and X-23 under his wing, and through various lovers, and through his teammates. But the moment he is happy, for good? The story is *over*. Wolverine is personified by his inability to escape the truth of a life unending - that he will see all his friends and loved ones die - and the realities of his healing factor failing, and therefore his adamantium poisoning royally screwing him. He is hounded by being both immortal and mortal at all the wrong times. Logan has been a father, a lover, a leader, a berserker, and assassin, and a hero. But he has *never* been happy. That's why, when he finally holds Laura's hand in his, that last line - 'so that's what this feels like'. That line is ambiguous - which meaning is he referring to? Is it the sensation of death? Is it the love of a child that's actually his, by blood and bond? Is it hearing somebody else call him 'daddy'? Is it all of those? Logan as a film was never about 'Logan finds X-23 and they go on the run and have awesome times'. It was about Logan's end. The end of his story. Briefly, Laura's hand in his, Logan stopped being miserable. And so the story is over. So if you were looking for an uplifting character to base an X Men franchise around... Logan is the wrong guy, and always has been. The brightest part of him was the yellow spandex. I saw a poster for the film with the tag line 'His Time Has Come' for crying out loud, we all *knew* it was the end. But it was the end Logan was *always* going to get. A life of heroism, tainted by his own tragedies, ending with one *tiny* act of happiness and a whole lot of bloodshed. Logan died the same way he lived. For CBG19, as a critic, to not get that this character could never have an ending like the one she wanted to see, is disappointing.
i've watched this movie over a week ago and its still on my mind. this honestly has become one of my favorite movies because of how powerful it is. and yes it may have been sad, but i feel like a movie that makes you think so much about humanity and the future, is what a great movie should be.
nah it sucks it didn't follow the comics.
RiseOFloganX Logan obvious troll is obvious
@Kevin C I legit dont see how what you wrote has anything to do with my comment. i'm just defending the movie with my opinion. your personally attacking the creator of the video. just dont see the connection
Logan was incredible!!!
So is your name ;)
The character and the movie!
I see so many comments about the "awful drama" and"whining" but I believe she not only pointed out her first thought on the daughter-father home but also acknowledged the PTSD point, she mentions and points out how all HIS problems have destroyed him, but that's her problem, she didn't like it because it was so depressing in an movie that meant hope to her. It's her relationship with the movie and the story and I believe she is entitled to it as much as we are. Again, she is only giving a review pointing her thoughts and feelings. Saying "man is she pregnant?" Is disrespectful, her feelings matter even for a movie, because it resonates in her life, would you say the same to a veteran that has PTSD and for that feels the movie? All feelings matter, all thoughts matter. And watching her react with compassion and kindness only make me love her even more. We need more hope in this world. The movie was beautifully crafted, but it was brutal, had some problems, yes, but it was definitely the best X-Men movie.
It really blows that only on Hugh Jackman's LAST time as Logan did they make a good Wolverine movie. :(
I thought it was cool that Logan had Mariko's family sword in his "house."
Really appreciate the honesty required to express emotions about these issues, and the courage to keep it in the edit. Don't stop.
I'm proud of you, Danika. Honest & truly. For going through with the review even though it made you cry. If it's any consolation, my friend Luke & I went to Logan and afterwards WE cried too because it dredged up a lot of the same things that you pointed out. Because of this review & your courage, YOU'VE GIVEN ME HOPE FOR THE FUTURE. Thank you, Professor.
From Canada, with love
That's My Sasha Productions best review evar
Is Danika her real name?
best review ever
Yup. She said as much in a parody of the last minute of "Iron Man" (2008) at the end of her "Iron Man 3 Review".
It was a good cbg19 review really personal, I'm so soles for that Dune book club though I'm so gana pre order that, I feel like it's getting traction lately and I here a movie or series is in the works too
The reason why Logan was still such an apprehensive father can all be summed up with the farm scene. Everywhere that he goes innocent people and friends die. For well over a century he has been a magnet for death and sorrow. He has not only lost the desire to become close with others but actively avoids it for their own good.
Comicbook girl, don't get so mad at Logan he's so fucked up in the head. The man who's body cannot break can still be broken.
Look at it this way, the expectations that you have for Logan, who is tired of killing and death but is always killing.
The never ending pressure to be superhuman, when you just want to fucking die.
But nobody cares, people expect more from you.
When you went on you rant about Logan becoming a better man, I imagined him handing control of his body to YOU, then just fading away.
Your turn~
Hokibukisa It is a man's movie. I don't think they really understand the burden of performance heaped onto us.
I think she gets it, especially the next bit about the PTSD.
The "burden of performance" knows no gender my friend. I constantly struggle with my need to be better all the time to prove my worth in this world to everyone.
Erudite1 We definitely understand the burden of performance because 1) we have our own burden of performance heaped on our backs, 2) most art has been from the male POV throughout history so to understand art is to understand men (generally speaking), 3) we witness men struggle with it everyday, we grow up with and live with and love with and hurt with them. Also I absolutely loved Logan and felt deeply connected to all of the main characters - them all being male except for Laura didn't stop me from understanding and empathizing with them.
I just love your reviews, please never stop doing your wonderful work
The fact that it made you feel so sad, is good, the fact that it's depressing isn't a flaw, it's the feature.
"Logan didn't hit me in the feels"
*literally cries in the review*
Yeah but she's crying about her fans that have PTSD
@@abdallaha92 she also cried talking about Charles dying and the whole farmhouse scene. She did cry about both but yes she cried from the movie and feels
My heart broke at 17:40
me too
J. T. It super colossal broke
hell yeah regardless of what anyone thinks of the movie or difference of opinion, thats one hell of a movie review, if a movie brought up that many different emotions in people, then it worked, CBG19 what an intense review from her it was good
Me too. Even with her criticisms, I think it's wonderful that she was able to highlight and appreciate opposing opinions. Something several viewers in this comment section obviously didn't care about.
P.S. I love your videos +IdeasOfIceAndFire
Mine too. I almost started crying along with her. Goddamn me for being a sympathetic crier. (Also, two of my favorite RUclipsrs on the same page, be still my heart!)
I am gonna give this reviewer some respect because she's giving her honest review of what she thinks about this movie and her personal thoughts. People commenting on the meaning behind Logan like she didn't know. she knows. X-Men is very dear to her I can see that and it's probably why CBG19 saw it differently. And let's be honest.. most of us don't know comics like that. Like me, who know little about X-Men loved the movie and it caught me on my feels and thinks it's perfect. As for someone who know much more about X-Men, thinks the movie is great but it's not what made them fell in love and devoted so much time with X-Men. You got to respect that.. And some of you guy's really got to watch the whole video.
You should review the film for what it is, and not for what you wish it was. She wanted the Xmen from the comics, but instead got this bleak adaptation of something that once gave her so much hope (which is funny, because that's exactly what they talk about in the film)
Ultimately, that's the mistake she made, but I don't think we should crucify her for that. Honestly, I like this review a lot. I think people are hypocrites when they try to be unbiased when reviewing something. This is how she feels, and that's why we came here in the first place.
Also, I personally don't find the movie great. I think this movie would have been fucking perfect if it hadn't bee for that stupid clone, for a film that is so grounded, tonally it does not fit at all.
+mark33850 I think the clone aspect, although campy was metaphoric in a sense, only logan could defeat himself, similarly how we as people can be our worst enemies at times.
mark33850 "You should review the film for what it is and for what you wish it was."
I read the entire comment, but, that particular statement is why I never listen to her reviews regarding the X-Men or Wolverine movies. People like this never judge them on the quality. They almost always want fan service. Even if the movie is good, it sucks by default because it ain't accurate to the comic book. That's terrible.
Chaos Theory apropos to your name, here's an opposing theory. let me start off by stating that as much as i *enjoyed* this movie as a stand-alone film, maybe logan's authentic subversive message isn't that the *X-MEN* failed, at least not *"comic book girl's, animated series, source material x-men"* but the foX-men has failed. Fox's version of the x-men franchise displayed as a bunch of uninspiring, nurfed, constantly afraid, joy-less group of fuck-ups. not for art or story but all for the sake of a corporation's (20th century fox) greedy attempt to hold the franchise hostage far longer than they should've ever had it. whether this movie's creators purposefully baked that message into logan or not, the direction fox took these characters in since the beginning may not have been the best and that this dystopian shit-hole of a future for mutants is the *eventuality* of where the stories they have butchered over the years would ultimately lead. matching the oft-disappointed feelings for much of any given audience leaving the theater of a new foX-men film, they're all dead, dishonored, forgotten and mostly hated in which the previous movies manage to drain all the energy and life out of these amazing characters...such as the fate in this movie of foX-men's *xavier and wolverine*
I get that the movie might have been too dour for some, that's a totally valid reaction. When you talk about art though, look at the intense emotions this movie brought out in you in your own video. Some of the best movies I've seen have been movies that made me re-evaluate or challenge my world views. While you may not have enjoyed the feelings it brought out in you, it made you FEEL something.
I can watch Iron Man punch a robot for two hours, or the Avengers "learn to work as a team (again)", or Superman punch a space laser and feel absolutely nothing; whereas for me any movie that engages you and makes you feel something has some merit.
Exactly, good comparison
Cole G .... I was thinking the same. All though CG19 didn't love it, and it wasn't a "fun" movie it must have obviously been well done to bring about such a passionate response
Actually this movie really didn't make me feel much of anything, predictable, old washed up super hero already been done with Dark Knight Rises, and worst of all have not really thought much about the movie since I watching it, which meant it lacked depth.
Iceman Frost or it means that you lack depth. Depends.
Iceman Frost if you didn't feel anything after watching Logan. When majority of people felt sad, depressed, scared etc. then i think the problem is you.
I feel that the movie is saying that as people get older, tired and start to give up, the next generation is there to carry on the hope and the dream
Logan: "Bad things happen to people I care about." Laura: "Then I'll be fine." .... I never asked for this feel.
Robert Shea Really, I just laughed and shouted YOU JUST GOT BUUUUUUURNED
I'm sure everyone in the theater appreciated your input.
Robert Shea So fucking worth it
If they put adamantium on x-23 bones as a child, how will she grow?
Khabib Pullout merchant
The Adamantium was only put in her hands and the one foot with the claw.
Khabib Pullout merchant she only has adamantium on her claws
They brushed over it quickly, but she only got the claws and healing factor, no skeleton.
I might need to see that hidden camera video of her in that hospital room but there's a chance it was just her claws, even then its still odd
Khabib Pullout merchant that's what I asked.
I think that yes, this movie is about realism and that's why a lot of guys like it, but it was also a lot about Self Sacrifice and the idea of being "useful".
Throughout all their lives, Professor X and Wolverine give up so much to help others, always at a cost. Prof X willingly gives himself to help others, but Wolverine unwillingly gave himself. He never wanted to be Wolverine, he never wanted the claws or the adamantium or to be a fighter, but he HAD to be. He had no other option. He has helped so many people but in the end all he gave took from him.
I feel that in this movie he is, as always, reluctant to give because he knows one day it will kill him. I think he didn't want lead the kids to Canada because he felt he had nothing left to give. He felt useless and that going with them would further nothing and only end in his death. This is another theme for many men, feeling useful and fearing being useless. Wolverine was weakened in this movie and that made him feel useless. Form his perspective he though, if he couldn't fight then what could he do?
Then he sees that the kids are not going to make it to Canada in the end and he realizes he has to go to his death. When he went after those kids he knew it was the end, he felt he wasn't useful anymore; his life was all he had left to give, because he already gave everything else. That fight between Wolverine and his clone was a huge metaphor for a man wrestling with that fact that he is no longer his younger and more useful self. Men see being useful as being able to "do their job", whatever their job may be. Wolverine's job was to fight, he couldn't fight any more but this younger clone could. He had to literally wrestle with his younger help and realize that he couldn't be the only one fighting any more. He needed help. (In the form of Laura killing the clone)
Yes, it is extremely depressing. But this movie hit a lot of huge points of mainstream masculinity that many men identify with. They're not good things, they're shitty things and men know it, but we still identify with them. That's why many men liked this movie.
Completely agree with everything you said. Excellent analysis
Ryan Baker I agree with your take, but would also like to add a couple thoughts.
Logan isn't a happy person, PTSD, alcoholism, & the adamantium bullet. The battles against his clone is cathartic, because he is fighting what he hates about himself. I don't think this derails your take on the masculinity theme, but reinforces it.
The other theme is of family and fatherhood. Logan is a shitty dad because Charles was a shitty dad. I actually see this as the silver lining CBG19 was looking for. Logan overcame being selfish like Charles and focused everything on protecting his family. The problem is, it took him too long to see X-23 as family, but he corrected his mistake at the end of his life.
This movie had to deal with realism because death is the core theme right up until the end. The death of the X-men and their cause. With no mutants the x-men have no cause to fight for except for each other. I disagree with your view because I think it's a rather narrow perspective. Keep in mind I'm separating the films from the comics going forward.
Wolverine has fought in almost every major conflict in recent history before being used by the Weapon Program. He is Canadian so being drafted seems unlikely. It's a reasonable conclusion that he enlisted voluntarily to fight for causes he believed to be worth the effort. It wasn't until the military wanted to abuse his abilities and betray him that Logan turned his back on fighting other people's wars.
However, Charles Xavier proved himself and his cause to Logan by helping him recover his lost past earning the loyalty of Wolverine. Logan would honor that loyalty to Charles by caring for him and taking him someplace that Charles couldn't hurt anyone else for Charles' sake to live in relative peace out in the open in the sunlight for as long as possible. Logan was still "useful" he gave himself a purpose. His reluctance to Laura was initially due her being in the way of getting the Sunstrider and putting Charles in jeopardy.
In the end he lets the kids go ahead to Canada because he completed his mission. They were supposed to be safe. He didn't want to go with them because of his declining health and he didn't want to hurt Laura when he dies or kills himself since Charles is also gone. But I think the most powerful piece of imagery is when Laura kills Weapon 24. Weapon 24 is what Logan would have been if Weapon X was successful. He was Logan's Rage and worst fears given form. The one thing Logan could never defeat. As Laura killed 24 and gave Logan the unconditional love he's never had she healed Logan's inner rage. He finally got to know what it feels like. In his final moments he became Professor X by leading the New Mutants to freedom and giving his daughter the same wisdom Charles gave him. And so passes Logan The Last X-Man.
Ryan Baker
yup females like comic book girl 19 will never understand males in this way thats why she correlated Logan for not being able to pull out his claw in the film as ED ! as a fear men have !
ok.. Im new here... and watching this at work, and totally caught off guard during your PTSD segment. *tears* WTF, how am i just discovering your channel now... bravo. fucking.. BRAVO. Thank you
i think she is wrong. hope is presented in this movie. the hope are the children. the children are the future.
Ruby Rodd 'teach them well and let them lead the way'
Ruby Rodd exactly!!!
What is she talking about!!! This movie was so awesome!!!
David Harnden well she's drinking. so her head isn't exactly there.
Ruby, yo - ALL THE HOPE IN THE UNIVERSE can't help if you know deep inside you're fighting an INEVITABLE losing war😭
I was inspired because Logan is flawed, old, and exhausted not tired. Yet all through that movie he did still fight when the rubber hit the road. Even knowing he was outmatched. By his younger self he fought to the very end. The children lived and were free. They had their lives ahead of them in the end because of a tired old man. I see hope in abundance in that ending.
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I really feel like this happens alot,where people don't like aspects of a movie and they exaggerate the hell out of that aspect. Like so many people saying Supermam destroyed metropolis. That's way off the mark. Same here. Logan didn't sleep in because he was lazy. He was dying. His body wasn't really healing,so he had to recover like anyone else would. You ever heard of someone getting sick and sleeping for two days straight? That's common. But i dont think anyone should be surprised about CBG's reaction. She hates Fox's loose interpretation of the x-men.
Fire JuJu Well Logan was constantly being poisoned by adamantium,plus they were putting things in the water and food to change mutant genes. But since healing factors aren't real, it's hard to say if someone would live forever. Marvel has always said it eventually stops working,so that's been a constant part of his character.
Fire JuJu *Shrugs* I don't know, that's just the way marvel has always done it. His healing factor is usually shown as weaker than Hulk's. They just always say that his healing factor goes away slowly over a long period of time. I think a youtuber tried to explain the "science" behind that. I think it was Comicsexplained but I'm not sure.
Fire Juju, you sound like you haven't watched the movie. Maybe go watch it, then critique the plot.
As for "What kind of healing abilities diminish over time?" Humans. Human healing abilities diminish over time.
Also virtually every other organism on the planet (with a few exceptions) will have diminished regenerative capabilities as it gets older.
I'm with Roy Latham. This is an effing great movie. I loved it mostly for the very reasons CBG hated it. CBG wanting Logan to be a better man doesn't mean the movie has to be. If your expectations aren't met, you can just enjoy the movie. The "it's a great movie, BUT..." doesn't work here. It IS a good, even great, movie. Period.
As a veteran it touches my heart the sensitivity you have shown to PTSD. I was stateside during desert Storm but have cousins who struggled from battle fatigue and PTSD. You have a beautiful soul, beautiful woman, thank you comic girl 19.
You are sweet and kindhearted.
Yes, PTSD is super not ok. Epilepsy is super not ok. Murder super sucks. Whole families getting murdered super extra sucks. Yes, you do have weird personal attachment and projections to this movie. I like how robot is basically your shrink, just asking "Why?" and just hanging back. The movie does give me a message of hope. Logan is about passing the baton to the new generation. Hugh Jackman is doing his last Wolverine role. Apparently, so does Patrick Stewart. While that is sad, they do leave on relatively great notes. I don't believe The executives at Fox can make a single smart decision regarding the marvel heroes movies unless they are forced at gunpoint or whatever. Maybe test footage leaks. ;).
The X men comic storyline has been all about fighting the dystopian future. The anti-mutant government, Sentinels, Cable, Dark Phoenix, Bishop. Even the heroes are escapees of a bleak future, warning the present heroes of things to come. Being a Xmen super fan, I thought this would be obvious to you. It's never about Xmen being loved by everyone then they show up and be the hero and everybody wins. That's Spider-Man, that's Fantastic Four. you might want to give the cartoons a rewatch. Things will become worse before they become better. The Hulk greenneck bad landlord antagonist aspect in the comic only works within the comics because of the nemesis history between Hulk and Wolverine, which never appeared in the movies. THANKS competing movie studios.
While I agree she is a bit too emotional, she does have some points because her gripes of the film in regards to his relationship with X-23 is exactly what me and friends thought right after watching the film. Wolverine doesn't show any real affection for X-23 at all and it was annoying. You would think after losing the professor he would listen to his words and pay attention to the girl, but he doesn't... at least barely. They could have built their relationship better so his death meant something. Also I felt like the family being murdered was unnecessary, I thought that whole part of the movie didn't even need to be there and only served to waste 30 or more minutes in the film.
He doesnt show it because he doesnt know how, he never did. This is perfectly shown in the Xavier funeral when he cant find the words to say anything. His actions showed that he cared when he went for her and trusted her at the end same how he would constantly argue with Xavier but his actions were always thinking of him.
Also about being "unecessary" for the family to die not it wasnt, people who get mixed up with Logan die,all the time,they didnt do anything to deserve it but what that shows is a microcosm of his whole life where people he cares about die with no warning and he cant save them.
TheToodinho exactly. he said that people he cares for keeps getting hurt and x23 saying then I should be fine. even in origins the old couple died. And the dude hunting logan said funny how people around u keep dying
TheToodinho I think people don't realize is this is the same Logan from DOFP. The Logan that killed Jean, that saw his friends wiped out by Sentinels, that lost so much and ended so many lives. He was an old soldier wanting peace after his family was taken.....again
Hyde1415 Curious: Why is she a bit too emotional? What makes you think that?
So I'm guessing she did not see the scene where Logan sacrificed himself to save the kids and indeed became the BETTER MAN?
But Logan DID rise above and fo the right thing. He DID redeem himself. He sacrificed himself for those kids. There IS NO greater sacrifice than to lay your life down for your friends or family. It was the end of the line for Logan. He was dying and died. So no, it's not fun in that respect. But he was the hero Professor X wanted him to be in the end.
Coming back to this review after watching Deadpool & Wolverine. And let me tell you… What a beautiful last hurrah for the Fox universe, for Wolverine and for Laura.
You're no fool. Having feelings is not bad, not having them is. Not having ideals and values is the problem. Don't give up, never!
You were the first person to point out that in this universe the X-Men failed. And that went against all the years of comicbooks. thanks
[Spoilers below:]
Xavier was unceremoniously killed because, again, that's how people die in the real world. There's nothing meaningful, dramatic, uplifting or spiritual about it. One day, you just cease to exist. However, I wouldn't call his death devoid of any narrative logic. There's a lot of symbolism in that scene (and many others), if you pay attention. Even though Logan became a much better person with the X-Men, one could argue that he's still kind of a morally ambiguous antihero. And, because of that, somewhere in the back of his brilliant mind, Xavier will always view Wolverine as his greatest failure. X24 embodies everything the Professor tried to rid Logan of. Having him succumb to what is, essentially, the incarnation of Charles' greatest fears and failures is kind of poetic.
The one mutant he couldn't fully help, that ended up killing him in the process, is Logan.
I'm always fascinated by how anything grim, mean-spirited, and ugly is considered more "real" by people. It says a lot about the outlook we have these days. It says a lot about how warped our minds have become by the narrative presented to us by our media.
JK Clark so if life is full of grim, mean-spirited, ugly people, then a film that showcases that is... not real? Somehow? Or should we sweep the nastier parts of life under a rug and pretend they don't exist?
+Chris No, I implied that people think that stuff is "more" real. Which it isn't. Objectively. Life is no more "full" of bad shit than it is full of good. Saying otherwise is fairly unrealistic, and implies a rather skewed perspective. A perspective based largely on fictions, manipulations, and anecdotal evidence. That ain't real. That's bad methodology.
Look, I'm not trying to talk shit, or shit on your worldview. I'm just saying that it's interesting that it's similar to a worldview that's so ubiquitous and ultimately negative. I find that rather sad, and unfortunate.
Stephen King once wrote (and I'm paraphrasing from memory here, so apologies): "It's not less realistic for the good guys to win. The good guys win every day. It's just that "Bob got up that morning, went to work, and came home safe to his wife and kids" isn't as interesting a story."
Now, what you might take from that is "Happy things are boring", but that's bullshit, and also not the point. The point is, how you get to the end matters more than the end itself. The journey earns the end, not the other way around. There are a lot of interesting journeys that end well in real life and in fiction.
Life is "full" of normal, nice-enough, blandly attractive people. Everything else is around the edges.
I guess I'm saying a story about an animal man with metal claws cutting cyborgs in the face and dying is no more real than a man coming home safe to his family?
"I'm always fascinated by how anything grim, mean-spirited, and ugly is considered more "real" by people. It says a lot about the outlook we have these days. It says a lot about how warped our minds have become by the narrative presented to us by our media."
It doesn't say anything about the media at all.... It's simply a reflection of reality. The world is quite literally a grim, mean-spirited, and ugly place. Hence why people see this type of material as more "real". Life isn't a bed of roses for everyone, and life in most 3rd world countries is beyond grim. It's easy for us to sit behind a computer screen with working electricity, in what is likely an air conditioned room of a house/apartment where the least of our worries is being late for work or something. And if that's your reality, then consider yourself as having won the life lotto. But the reality for a good chunk of the planet is a life and death situation on a daily basis. A hut or shack with no power, no computer, no air conditioning, and not much hope to speak of.
So in the case of this film.... you're dealing with a character who's caring for an invalid who killed off the other x-men and is barely hanging on to sanity himself. Compound that with the fact that anyone he's ever been close to has died as a result of proximity. Then wrap it all up in a shell of a character who's been alive for well over 100 years, has seen war after war, killing upon killing, with only occasional glimpses of "a normal life" and only a handful of bright moments, who's now a bitter, grim being, then yeah, that's pretty realistic. And aside from the comic book aspects of the film, many are situations that countless people on this earth actually have to deal with daily. Caring for the terminally ill and sufferers of dementia. Fighting in wars and armed conflict around the globe. This planet isn't some pretty little utopian world, and life isn't sweet it just is what it is. It has nothing to do with the way a media paints it, they just tend to thrive on showing it, and unfortunately we as consumers thrive on watching it, but it has to exist for them to show it.
Chris Stegerean I just think that trailer had people thinking otherwise of the film. They could of went the more fictional hollywood route like the trailer promise and still been a good movie but they decided to go deeper which was great.
CBG - This was definitely my favorite review you've done. Thanks for opening your heart on this one and letting us in...
Kudos for having the spine to keep in the emotional bits of this. People need to be more real.
I disagree, the movie does give the audience a glimmer of hope. Logan's sacrifice allows his daughter and her comrades to live on to be the new X-men...
The fact that this movie hit you so hard is evidence of its quality. The way to look at it is as a warning that we must keep fighting to avoid a bleak future, not a downer that everything is hopeless.
I had a distant dad too, but I didn't catch the same vibe, I honestly feel like your female perspective makes it a little different. As a male who works with the elderly I saw this movie as beautiful.. Everyone eventually breaks down.. I struggle fighting with depression for as long as I remember, but I do my best for those around me while dealing with myself. That's how I saw Logan. All his friends were gone.. Attachments begin to hurt as time goes on, and people pass.. He knows better than any, he has been around a long time by then.
He knew he was breaking down. He did his best with what he had left in him. He did his best with himself, considering what a messed up person he is himself.. and in his last breath passed on some advice. That was the best he had in him. I liked it.
There are a lot of really nice comments/perspectives here. I really hope cbg19 takes the time to read some of them and reflect. Nice video.
Chukanu She probably doesn't tho.
I wish as well, but this is youtube. I can't blame her one bit for treating the comments section like the toxic sludge it often is.
We definitely scan the comments dude
Comic Book Girl 19 don't reflect too much, this was one of your best reviews.
Comic Book Girl 19 Im gay for u
Magneto called it.
While I can see your point about the "Father Figure", "Why doesn't he seem to care?" aspect... I think that's part of the point. He's done caring. Very wounded, very tired.
Yeah, the man is well over 100 years old, has lost countless people he cared about, has struggled his entire life and here she is bitching because he kept passing out after he was used as a pincushion WHILE HIS BODY WAS BEING POISONED.
Just, show some damn empathy. The guy is spent, he just lost Xavier, the last person in the world he felt a connection to. Let the man heal for half a day and finally get the death he's been longing for, after saving people one last time by the way.
Robert Reed he never has cared in the xmen movies. Only for his love interest
Robert Reed that's exactly how I saw that. At this point he's so old and beaten down and he's never been a father to someone and is all of a sudden on a dime supposed to hug her as he's having a nervous breakdown after he buries his cherished friend he's known for decades. And in the end he gives her the best advice he can as he's dying because he saves her life which was to not become what they made her to be.
Nelzevir i think the main thing comic book girl was looking for from this film was hope. that with everything logan has been thru in his abnormally long, mostly painful life, it was still possible for him to change. to be something more than what he's always been...a father
Joe G
I think that's what made Logan seem so relatable though. After seeing hope thrive and fall apart time and time again, he stopped getting swept up in it. He was a broken person who had nothing. He was flawed and selfish. He wanted to die. But he sacrificed his life giving people who still had hope a chance. I think it really spoke the idea that even if a person feels helpless and has nothing to live for that they'll still do everything they can to help others who don't see it that way. I thought it was beautiful. Not everyone can relate to Captain Righteousness who saves the world and is perfect in every way. A lot of people are haunted by the mistakes they've made in life. They can't let go even though reliving those moments is so exhausting. Some people just turn everything off and drink to forget. We know we're not the heroes that we should be.
He was scared, full of regrets, full of pain, full of anger, he was selfish, and he was tired. He was all of us. I mean, it's not pretty, but it's real. And I think that's what made it beautiful.
It was the best movie I saw all year and I applaud them for not dumbing it down to be more palatable. I thought that was really refreshing.
Awesome video CB19. Glad to see your passion when talking about how comic books have impacted your life. Also glad to see how you understand and accept the metaphor of wounded soldiers and PTSD, which quite frankly I did not even see until you mentioned it. Thx again, and keep this channel up!
Do you think it was significant that Laura killed Wolverine's younger self?
interesting question
Symbolically,she killed his uncontrollable rage imo.Hence why Logan is able to feel like a father almost immediately after.
I guess from a certain point of view. There's like a dozen different interpretations one could give to Logan's final opponent being himself at his prime.
X-24 is Wolverine the weapon. It's what Stryker intended him to be - a mindless killing machine they point at whatever they want to die. It's his past, in the flesh, right in front of him. We know Logan's haunted by his past, what was done to him, what he became as a result of that. What's it like, essentially seeing that ghost of your past come back to destroy everything you love and care about? Seeing yourself in it?
Do you believe the fact that he dies pinned to a tree would be a indication he is some sort of a redeemer of the X-men? This would tie in with Laura making the cross on his grave into an X.
I think he did accept Laura when he says "this is what it feels like" in my opinion I think he's saying this is what it feels like to be a dad.
This is what it feels like to die.
InBetweenMolecules both
Julie111110 agreed
The mass of men live lives of quiet desperation... Logan makes you feel that exact, unspoken desperation so many of us do. Especially guilt... for things we will never admit. Logan hit that nail right on the fucking head.
ChocolateNoodle I was watching this review with my father and he said the same thing. He feels that for himself and because of me and my sister,and I feel that for myself and my father. When you're a kid,you think your dad is invincible and he lets you think that and works for it,but time shows you the opposite.
No one should be ashamed to expect their superheroes to be heroes.
I think the end is bittersweet and uplifting. As a child I grew up with the Xmen films and as much as they are not accurate to the comics that was my introduction. And that ending was my childhood hero sacrificing himself to save and protect children. Doing the thing always implied in the films and saving people. Wolverine comics have always had sad endings, the old man logan comic had a sad ending. The ending was logan putting his faith in children and his daughter to be better than he was. The scene from the film in the movie cements this talking about how killing is a brand and it sticks, It is literally the theme of the film. Wolverine believes he is a killer but Laura doesn't need to be. That's why laura needs to kill the evil logan, the evil logan represents the unrelenting killer logan sees himself as.
This is why I like your videos, honest and all the feels, good and bad
Logan isn't really that dystopian. It just looks that way because he hangs out in an abandoned facility across the border in Mexico.
Dystonian doesn't mean anything about a places decor.
Dystopian is the opposite of utopian. It's usually featuring more wrong with it than the main characters' friends are dead and people drink genetically enhanced sports drinks.
1984 is dystopian, Hunger Games is dystopian, Old Man Logan is dystopian, Days of Future past features a dystopian future.
Logan is only dystopian if you think the anti-utopian feel and situation the main characters are in is felt or experienced society wide... this does not appear to be the case. People speculated it was based on the trailers because the film features a run down look, similar to Looper. But that's largely because of where those scenes take place.
To the idiots above
dictionary.com
"a society characterized by human misery, as squalor, oppression, disease, and overcrowding."
The characters are in misery, society at large is not portrayed that way in Logan.
That was an interesting twist. It's a grim future for the mutants but not for the humans.
There are no police to hep children. A black family can't even have drinking water and that reality is being enforced by the local law enforcers. The little bit we saw was pretty much dystopian.
Patrick Stewart gave an Ammmazing performance. All the actors did really. But it broke my heart to see this once great leader, the glue that holds things together so fragile dependent on Logan to keep him grounded mentally. P. Stewart performance moved me to tears. Bravo Sir
I feel like her issues are that it's not "fun" and expected Logan to become some magical super dad. Had they gone the route she explains at 14:20, it would have been a huge disservice to the film. Out the gate, a clone is not your child. It's a clone. While yes, she's a cute little girl, expecting him to blink and become Father of the Year is insane. Especially given all the insane stuff he's seen. Finding out someone cloned you isn't exactly groundbreaking. What he did made total sense for the character and his time as Wolverine. Conflicted but reluctantly doing the right thing. And shes' wrong. He DID NOT let them go on their own. They actually left early while he was sleeping. That's why he was confused when he woke up. He wasn't being lazy. He was literally dying. He barely heals anymore and basically had to fight his way there. They had to lift him up.
And what is this redemption shit? Redemption for what? He didn't do anything he needed to be redeemed for. Now if they had kept the original plot point where he killed the XMen then yes. Her argument would kind of make sense. But in this movie he's done nothing he needed to be redeemed for.
@ComicBookGirl19 I'm a veteran and what really stuck with me was the line 'you have to find a way to live with it.' This movie was very black and depressing and without much hope, but X-23 represented hope that a new generation can find their own way. Ultimately Wolverine died as he lived: fighting, in pain, and lonely but not alone. Life is always hard and each person needs to find their own path; not alone and stoic like Logan, but to find their path with the help of others.
I think Logan was perfect. Wolverine is an anti-hero, and somewhere around 100 years old. He has seen people he cares for die, time and time again. He did everything he possibly could for X-23, even if he did it like an ornery curmudgeon. Ultimately I think she also got what she needed from him, maybe not what she wanted..but definitely what she needed
He's something like 197 years old in the FOX movie timeline at the time of this movie.
Don Vagabond No, he's close to 300. He kinda like....has really BEEN earned the right to be fucking tired of the bullshit....fr
yeah if logan were like "ok kid i'll be your dad now," it would be totally unlike his character.. especially if he had been through the kind of shit he went through in the movie story arc. i think he ultimately proved he cared for her in the end. i think she might be projecting a little onto the character lol which is fine honestly. i mean i understand how she feels. but we're talking about wolverine here.. he's not that far away from a wild animal and the barriers he put up around himself emotionally i think would make him act just this way
I think her point wasnt really that it was bad the way it was... I think she totally gets and even feels it. It's just that she has a personal thing with the xmen giving her hope for her idealistic views and fight, it is like her drive or stands for it. It *was* perfect the way it was, but it was a world she doesnt *want* to link to the one thing that kept her going in her life as a teenager and so on... It's like wind blowing in your face all your life and this helped her and gave hope and strength - and the movie cruelly ripped all that apart. This wasnt really a review, more like a "reacts to" video I guess
If you look at the foreground, yes the movie may have ripped that hope apart, But think about the experience the kids had. This was their origin story in the making. They were hiding and running when logan found them. By the end they were using their powers to neutralize the threat. They were all changed for the better.
The hope was there..I think some people may have missed it.
You have just made me a fan for life. It's like you think just like me. I sit here listening to you say shit that I have thought in my head for years. This is the most entertaining thing I have seen on RUclips. Thank you for this. Please continue to make these vids! I thoroughly enjoy them.
I'm in the military and I felt what you said. I have a daughter and those feelings did tie into this movie. the world is dark. all you can do is make sure that little girl understands how beautiful and ugly things are and she becomes another beautiful things in it. carry on @CB19 embrace the chaos
In my head cannon, Wolverine woke up after the end of the movie and crawled out of his cairn. Then he became the headmaster of a new Canadian based X Mansion, teaching a new generation of mutants.
BigZ7337 #AlternativeFacts
Love your show. Please don't ever give up hope. Things will get better. It's always darkest before the dawn.
No. It's darkest before it get worse. It always gets worse. I *love* those moments when I just feel regular shitty.
Just wanted to put it out there that it took a lot of guts and where-with-all to put your emotions out there for public display. There are very few people out there in this day and age who would do what you did. You are totally awesome! The world needs more CB19s out there! Loyalty and Courage, Semper ad Hostes and Hang Tough!!!
to quote Mike Franks: "I figure I got one more fight left inside me. You want it?"
I get where you're coming from with the whole female perspective thing since ya know, also a female, but for me, like watching it I was watching this massive suicidal struggle that Logan was going though. This whole notion of having to hide your feelings of how suicidal you feel and how it's a shame he has to hide and yeah while he was a reluctant participant to helping the kids, he fought to his last breath and he died saving them and the dream, while he didn't chose to redeem himself he's fighting something within himself and he allows himself to give in and he doesn't get the ideal peaceful end he wanted, but he sacrificed that for his daughter because he stopped being selfish in that way, which imo is the biggest way. I think it's more about completeing a circle and giving into responsibility. Also not to mention what an issue male suicide rates are, I think it's a great film.
I'm honestly surprised you didn't touch on the suicide theme
I feel the same, it wasn't as tragic and pointless as maybe she's making it out to be. To me it really was hopeful in a very tragic and beautiful way.
Thank you. You might be the first woman I've ever heard actually acknowledge the male suicide rates. Most people really don't give a shit, if media has taught me anything.
How does she grow if they infused her bone with adamantium?
When it was done to Logan, he was a full grown man. She's 11. Good luck growing up, I guess.
ha holy shit, I had never considered this point before! I wonder if they ever address it, or just ignore the problem hoping that not enough people ever realise it? I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
deaconx the adamantium is only fused to her hands and feet for the claws nothing else
deaconx
In wolverine at least, the metal isn't grafted to the entirety of his skeleton. It's in sections. I would imagine, it's the same with her. Perhaps the metal, if it is sectional, would shift while she grows. Idk. While you're plot hole point is actually a really good one, I think there may be a comic books explanation for that. The actual claws are fully covered though. If there's bone claws in there, I can see that creating a problem.
It's only the claws
Wow, what a great point. I never thought of it either, but it makes perfect sense.
Comicbookgirl19, my favorite part of your channel is that you always keep it real. Thank you for that. Keep struggling, fighting your fight and doing your thing. I believe you inspire people with every video you make. You certainly inspire me!
FINALLY! I've been waiting for this. No one reviews comic properties like comicbookgirl19
15:00 - 16:10 - With respect, but your rant had me rolling my eyes and feeling nauseous...this is the reason men are tired. It's easy to talk about responsibility, leadership, and being an amazing man when it's someone else that needs to do the heavy lifting. All you've done is use a boatload of euphemisms which are pretty much summed up as "Defend this until your dead" or "Murder those 24 armed people other there". Like all men, we just get "tired" of it, and Logan is no different. Be grateful you got one last *good* fight out of him before the end. Because I get the feeling you'll be digging up his corpse to thrust even more responsibility onto him to satisfy yourself...
I love your channel - keep up the good work.
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I loved this depiction of Logan. He's so flawed and tired, he just wants to rest (die). I think he did redeem himself (he fucking gave his life for the kids, even while wanting to run away). He wasn't happy, but he was a hero.
I don't ever recall seeing such emotional moments in any other comic book movie. It reminded me of my dad (wolverine), my grandma (xavier) and me.
This is the classic and tragic tale that the men go through. They die to protect women and children.
That was deep
yu S. I think it's important to note that he demonstrated that he cared about her in his speech to Laura in the cabin Logan says: "I'm not whatever you think I am."
That is such a loaded statement: "I'm not a superhero, (he never was intentionally, he was a brawler, Weapon-X, a murderer, an assassin, the bane of all those who love him or he loves, and finally a terrible son and caretaker), I'm not a leader (again, not his function, sure he'd step up in a moment of crisis, but would always look to delegate or acquiesce first) and finally I'm not you're father." Not only did he have no agency in her conception (his DNA was stolen) but Logan emphasizes this by illustrating that everyone who died helping her never asked for their lot. Especially Logan, he knew what getting involved would get him would get them and got sucked in anyways. He's convinced, by a lifetime of evidence, that being a father figure to Laura/X-23 would only make her like him and lead to pain and suffering for her. From her perspective, that doesn't matter because she needs someone, anyone to show her the way forward and Gabriella convinced her that the comic book Logan will save her. Logan knows saving her means his death, he probably knows he'll die soon regardless, but letting her go without him, in his mind, is a kindness. She's better off without him. It's likely that if the mercenaries hadn't caught up to them; Laura would have looked back on her time with Logan and been grateful that she didn't learn from him and ended up sad and miserable like him. Instead, she'll idolize him because in the end he sacrificed himself for her and the other children like the comic hero they thought he was and they will remember him fondly instead of a cautionary tale.
Yeah, and he plainly stated that everyone that he cares about dies. That was painful to watch. And people still looked up to him as a hero (maybe in part due to the comics), but it seems he felt like an impostor and indeed, people around him die by his hands or the hands of his enemies. The conditions of the story were extreme, but very relatable IMO. I think I might watch this one again.
I don't know about that, I didn't watch every episode of her. It kinda pisses me off though that she blames companies for the evils of the world and thinks that feeling sad because of something like men having to die is a bad thing. It's not bad that the world is dangerous, but facing this fact and feeling sad about it is what is bad apparently. It's good to feel sad sometimes, especially if it's due to facing reality. But hey, at least she looked honest. Maybe she should talk more to those marines.
+yu S. Can you clarify your last comment? What pisses you off and why? I'm not sure what you were talking about. Is it what CBG19 said about companies? What did you mean to say about sadness being bad? I didn't quite understand.
CBG19,
I’ve been subscribing to you since very well near day one and I must say: It’s been an absolute pleasure watching you evolve in what you do. Your enthusiasm is engrossing and it's having a baked in compassion brings all it home. More than that, the level of sophistication has multiplied and it only makes me excited to see how far you will go. The same can be said for “Greater Creators.” I’ve been around the block and even served time in the Marines; because of this I’ve had the pleasure of meeting loads of amazing people and wanted to tell you that I see you. Thanks for the inspiration! Great job.
Thanks for opening up and leaving your emotional reaction in the video. it was very powerful and I teared up with you when you broke...
now this isn't a criticism or meant to be negative but I think your expectations clouded your opinion of the movie... you didn't see it for what it was, you saw if for what it wasn't compared to what you wanted/expected it to be...
this isn't a father/daughter movie. it's a story about the world weary soldier, the reluctant hero, the gunslinger who's seen way too much... it very much, and in some places pretty much smacks you in the face with it being analogous to the movie westerns "unforgiven" and "shane".. and in my opinion, that it borrows a bit too on the nose from those works, well, it causes this movie to fall short of having the same brilliance, even as good a movie as it is... but I digress...
there is redemption and hope in this movie, just not in the way you were exactly expecting.. this isn't a "superhero movie" at all. it's a movie about real people that happen to have fictitious powers and that's a large part of it's brilliance. it does have very heavy themes and tone for the most part but all the hope, love, and all of that is not outwardly ever stated in dialog, but in the characters actions alone. in fact, Logan himself actively rejects trying to care and be involved, he is that broken of a man.. he's seen and has done way too much violence in his life to think otherwise. he could never see himself as a "hero" but yet, in his actions.. he still very much is.. he cannot leave people to their fate, even as much as he thinks he is the cause of their misery... he still has to protect them and in the end, knowing he is no longer invulnerable due to his sickness, he still charges in one last time to give these mutant children a chance at a better life even tho he knows this truly will be the death of him, perhaps the first time in his long life he's ever faced the threat of real death due to his healing factor... yet once he sees the drones and the reavers going for the children, he cannot help himself to rush in to help save them.. and that is a true hero.. it's not the invulnerable, knowing he can't really be hurt, saving people.. it's the person that knows he might well die, yet still goes in despite that fear...
and the incredible love he shows for Xavier, dedicating his life to caring for him after him accidentally wiping out most of the x-men... he wouldn't ever admit it, but you can see it in his actions... in fact, it's shown in how the only person he actually listens to is Xavier.. he continuously rails against anyone getting close to him, to anyone looking for help.. because he thinks of himself as a monster that gets people close to him killed. yet despite his broken exterior and words, he still cannot sit by while others are in danger...
you wanted a happy ending, you wanted a father/daughter redemption.. and yes, the trailers did tease that but as we know, all trailers lie. many times they are misleading and most times not even made by anyone connected with the creation of the film...
I think if you give it some time, then go back and watch it a few times over the next few months.. you'll start to see the movie for how it actually is, not how you were expecting it to be... and also start seeing where there is actually a subtext of hope and redemption, it just wasn't what and where you expected it to be...
and I understand why you felt that way, you have a specific personal connection to the source material the x-men comics... so do I, I read them in my early teens which happened to be in the early 80's (I'm turning 47 this year, damn, I could sympathise with some of the themes in this movie about getting older).. it's fine to want an x-men movie that is done well and gives you that same uplifting feeling you originally had with the comics but your nostalgia shouldn't really negate the merits of a well told story.. this wasn't going to be that movie but should be judged more on it's own merits (and I think it will by you, once you get a little time and distance from your expectations about it)...
I simply think you took a lot of expectations in with you as to the tone and what story was being told and those expectations made it hard for you to get the movie for what it actually is rather than what and where you thought it was going to go... you didn't judge it on it's own merits but on what you wanted it to be... but give it some time, then watch it with fresh eyes and I think you might see a different movie...
I've noticed that this happens at times to me as well, with movies, music and such.. sometimes it takes a bit before I see it for what it actually is over my initial reaction and after repeated viewings/listenings and time, my opinion changes... that's why many "legendary classic" movies are sometimes only seen as such years after their initial release... Citizen Kane took some time before it was seen as the classic masterpiece it actually turned out to be... many times truly great artists aren't usually discovered and reveared until after their death... take Vincent van Gogh, he couldn't sell one damn painting to pay for a meal near the end of his life... and now he's reveared as one of the greatest painters of all time...
on a smaller scale, some of my long time and most treasured musical artists are some that I completely rejected at first...
but what I see from your own comments in the video are that it didn't match up to the picture in your head that you had for it... you need to see it without that picture you built up to really properly experience the movie.... it's not gender bias, or age bias.. it's just simple expectation bias that you have.. I think once you can get past that, through time and perspective, you will see a different movie in Logan.
or not, honestly, only time will tell if what I am saying is true.. you may not ever fully embrace this movie as I do and that's ok, it's neither right or wrong... it's how you feel about it.. it's all opinion and subjective... the only reason i write this is because I can see the clues are there in how you describe your feelings about it, I could be wrong.. but this movies has some deep layers, especially with it's acting and doesn't go where you'd expect it to go at some points.. it has some faults... bullet ex machina and seizure at casino ex machina as two to be sure... but it's a damn fine movie, it's heart and hope are just not worn on it's sleeve...
cheers to you CBG19! much love and respect.
Sgtspork (thumbs up) :)
Too much coffee and free time, lol.
heh, yeah, I know, you should have seen the unedited version.. lol.
Sgtspork LOL
I was kidding about the unedited version btw, lol..
honestly, I just type and think pretty fast. it just comes out that way.. I know, TLDR happens, but I only tend to go super concise if I am in a larger public discussion.. this was more a direct message in response to the video that I hope she reads, silly as that is... rather than any kind of debate on a topic.. read it or not, up to you..
Sgtspork cosigned
I disagree Deadpool wasn't the first R rated Marvel movie.
Blade was. you know the movie bout the half man half vampire and he's black. He was the first.
Just forgotten.
m7722850206 Right on! Exactly what I was thinking... Blade was WAY ahead of it's time, and was a box office success, if memory serves. I was sitting in the middle seat, in the 8th row on opening night, with fully dilated pupils, and it was AWESOME, as it was on later on dvd with normal-sized pupils, and I just watched it again last week, and it still rocks! Glad I'm not the only one who remembers that far back, lol. Blade 2 is the shit as well. Have a good one, m... Peace!
fuck off with the mansplaining she didn't even say marvel dumbass she said fox which is accurate, the blade series was by new line cinema, shes 100% right to say would fox never have made this movie above a pg-13 rating if deadpool hadn't done so well last year
@@legomaker447 I was with you until your "mansplaining" bullshit.
@@legomaker447 You racist social justice warrior, just because blade was black.
Not forgotten lol. But you know what was forgotten, Punisher: War Zone. One of the best Marvel character to screen adaptations (that was R rated).
So when you're 133 years old and slowly dying from blood poisoning and you've lost everyone you ever loved and JUST buried your last friend you can tell us all how you gave your daughter, who you only found out about a couple days ago, a great big hug and went strolling to the ice cream parlor.
I get being disappointed by a film but his motivations as a character and a person didn't come across as false or cheap they were genuine.
Patrick Mike There was another RUclips video that did a breakdown of Logan's timeline, and they concluded he was around 196 when he died in this film.
Patrick Mike what do you mean by getting disappointed
@@jfernsten and maybe if he had both memories from both timelines his mind would be way older
I loved Logan, but this is truly my favorite RUclips video... so honest, well done yet raw...that cognitive dissonance keeps me coming back. I don’t know how many times I’ve rewatched this video. I Definitely connect this to my cars stereo every time I have a 3+ hour drive. This is where RUclips shines. Love it, big fan of you guys. Keep em coming
"Don't be what they made you."
-Logan
Thank you so much for caring about our soldiers
I saw a different movie. Those kids had the most horrible childhood, yet they were able to unite, to create a family and to survive through hope. That was possible thanks to comics. Eden wasn't real, they made it real inspired by the comics. It sends a powerful message about the power of art and the power of people to inspire. Yes, if that is the future it is horrible, but hope remains as long as we keep fighting, like Logan at the very end.
5 years later this review still holds.
Your female point of view is not my female point of view. It's your own point of view regardless of gender. She isn't his daughter, she's his clone, and if he developed paternal feelings for her in that short amount of time with everything he had been through it wouldn't have felt authentic. It had to grow.
There's hope, but it's the hope in the new generation. The dream isn't dead, it evolved and is still there in the children that he GAVE HIS LIFE TO SAVE.
She is his daughter,period.
Heather L Well said. Logan’s supreme sacrifice was his only doorway into spiritual atonement for the violence, physical suffering, angst and anger that made up his world. Logan can never have human or clone love.
Logan needed to meet his maker-the Source- to find peace some sense of greater Harmony. The sad fact is that it isn’t in this world now for most of us... whether you’re CBG19 wanting a dad or a vet or almost anyone else who suffers. Most of us.
"Logan didn't hit me in the feels"
*rants about feels for 30mins*
nsamu I thibk she has the feels more on how the movie relates to friends she has with post tramatic stress.
Sometimes it takes talking about something before you realize that it actually did trigger emotions.
Super Sablei your right i think this is a movie, like unforgiven or other viceral movies, that you have to watch multiple times befor youcan comprehend what you are watching
No, it's just because she is drinking/on drugs. Her addictions are fucking up her videos.
Almost half a million views later and it's still a cool video. Drunk or not!
Logan was touching. As a man nearing his thirties I have to say that a lot of those fears are starting to creep up on me.
It comes with age and realizing ones mortality. It's harrowing, in a way.
Your head is still in the game but you can't really put out the amount of power you could when you were younger and you're slowly starting to feel useless and weak in way that just shreds your remaining hopes and dreams.
And that's not even mentioning the crushing weight of that particular kind of fatigue that comes with just being tired of life and living and the slowly increasing weight of all the experiences you accumulate over the years, good and bad.
The hard truth is that the bad experiences end up outweighing the good and at some point you reach that place where the good memories become a painful reminder of a reality that is out of your hands to realize or entirely a part of a past that is with absolute finality dead.
It's not like I give up and go find a noose or emo-up my wrists but it certainly makes some days difficult.
There's definitely days when you find yourself staring at a patch of wall for a few hours and have no sense of time passing.
Given that I feel this way now, without having experienced the hell of war on top of that, it makes Logan's reaction to things in the move make sense to me given that he's lived for centuries and have seen things that would probably make me put my own head through a wall.
Being a man isn't the shiny gilded throne of privilige that many women think it is, (not saying that you think that)there's a lot of drawbacks to being a man.
One of which is the sense of expendability and workhorse mentality you're supposed to fit in with as a man.
You're supposed to die. For what isn't entirely clear and varies a lot depending on circumstance but the underlying cultural theme is that you're supposed to work/fight/provide/protect until you drop and when you can't anymore (because of age or trauma) then you're useless and worthless as a human being because you can't "be the man" anymore. Most of us are subconsciously conditioned into thinking that we should die in the line of duty before we become a burden to others.
Growing old terrorizes me, and I've entertained a lot of horrid thoughts on the subject of how I want to die for about a decade now. Honestly, I'm not sure how I stand on that yet.
Logan touches on a lot of those themes and that's why it hit me so hard. There's a lot of other things in this movie to comment about but all in all I'd say it was a very good movie and sort of a fond farewell to the old x-men movies.
I honestly had to bite back tears at the end because, you know, he did die with his heart in his hand. At the very end he was a father who loved his daughter.
It really was brave of you to not cut your heavier feels from this video. Thank you. That compassion you showed for those with PTSD does not go unnoticed.
I usually agree with her on most of the movies, but when she started talking about how Wolverine denied X-23, and how at the end, he slept in. There's several things. Once Charles dies, he's still in mourning and Laura is trying to push him to go to North Dakota so she can meet her friends at Eden. He just lost the man he considered a father figure to himself, and now he's realizing he's the only one of the X-Men left. He was pushing forward because Charles was with him. But eventually, during his time at the camp, he started to act more fatherly towards Laura, even talked to her. As for sleeping in, he felt that the kids could get to Canada without him, thinking that the corporation hunting them wouldn't be able to find them now. He felt he wasn't needed anymore and let them keep the rest of the money he was going to get from them.
However, once they left, and he saw the drones, that's when he knew Laura and the kids could be in danger. So he went to be that father figure to protect them because he knew that while he's sick, he can still do something to redeem himself to help these young mutants so someone that he feels can teach them better than he can, live longer than he could to give them the hope, to help them become better mutants. He wants to keep the future alive, and he knew he no longer had that place, because he knew he was dying and knew that he had to fight one last time, to make sure the kids continued on and lived for him for all X-Men he was a part of. For Charles especially.
Then when she talks about the PTSD, that's when it clicked in the most as to why he didn't want to fight and it is something I should've realized, even without having been a part of the military, I've heard and known people with PTSD, and I should've known that was what Logan was going through.
However the biggest feels hit came to me, when it was nearing the end, how Laura kept calling him Daddy while crying. I'm not even a father(I want to be some day) and that scene hit me hard. Because in a way, Logan had been acting like a father during most of the movie. He was very stern and strict with her, surely, but he still acted like a father, trying to teach her right and wrong, but also let her know that comics are pure fiction, even if it's about his life, most of it is fiction, and not to believe every word or every panel shown. He was doing fatherly things, just the 'Strict Father' routine. It was near the end when he actually learned more compassion, and showed more, by trying to work with her and save her during the big battle. That's how I got hit hard at the end and he's dying. He showed love and compassion to her, and that's why she showed she realized that he truly was her father, even in spite of the strict nature from beginning to near the end.
Also, how could you not see the hope still? Even Charles could see the hope, right from the beginning! Most of the movie we learned that no more new mutants are being born. None. Yet, here's this little girl, that came from a facility full of mutants. These children were the hope, and that was why Logan saved them. The children were saved and they ran to Canada, and in Canada they can learn more about their powers, grow up, and then they can change the world for the better.
Sometimes relics from the past, need to die, so that the future can be changed by those that will live long enough to make it for the better.
Those children were the hope, and they're now safe, and will change the future for the better and conquer the evil plaguing the world.
The Logan/Laura relationship is realistic when you are looking at it from the perspective of an adopted child or a child who never really had a father in their life. Sometimes when you meet your biological father it can go horribly wrong and he can let you down massively. Not because he doesn't love you or because he doesn't want to. But because he doesn't know how to be a father. Because up until that moment you walked into his life he's never had to be one. Sometimes the thought of being a father can scare a man. Especially when said man knows he is a seriously flawed human being with some major demons. Logan's relationship with Laura is very complex and beautiful. I could relate to it because I could see myself in Laura. Wanting this seriously flawed man to just man up and be my DAD! But in the real world, sadly we can't always get what we want.
So weird to see someone in these days showing an emotion that is not anger or hate, as weird as see someone that is not enclosed in his own ideas and reasonings rejecting others as incorrect.
We all want to be inspired. You are an inspiration. God bless!