LOVE my 2019 BC in Orange. I bought January 2020 as a leftover at an AMAZING price, upgraded to carbon wheels and RF 800 carbon bars, really smoothed thinks out, thinking of 10-52 XX-1 upgrade, i just use on Blue trails so more than i need but pushing a bit more on the climb get me in better shape---Even that stock seat is super comfortable, no need for an upgrade there!
So, I demoed (sp?) this bike and bought it a week later. It is an unbelievable bike! Just for reference, I am 6ft and with gear I weigh about 190lbs (working on getting that down!). I previously owned a Yeti SB5 (demoed 4.5, and 5.5), and also a Santa Cruz Hightower (2017), and currently have a SC Tallboy. I also demoed a SC Hightower LT. I live in AZ and gravitate more towards 29er hoops. I feel this bike climbs better than all of them and descends like an absolute demon! It's important to take heart in what Jason and a lot of other guys here on RUclips repeat over and over, and that is to get out and try to demo one if you can. What one person might think about a bike might not be what someone else might think. Jason is an amazing rider, but he is also a lot smaller than me. This bike might feel totally different to him than it does me. For the gnar and rocky stuff that is all over Phoenix, this bike is absolutely perfect! I just can't get over how well this thing climbs, and even with the shock totally open! If you get a chance, demo one. You will not be disappointed ! Thanks for the awesome review Jason and for turning my attention to this amazing bike!
Wow, thank you for the feedback and sharing your story! Glad you're getting along with the Instinct so well.... I actually just picked one up for myself!!!
New bike day! I finally received my Instinct BC Edition! What a beast!!! Thanks for the review. That helped me to make my choice. I wish you a good season! Ride on! 🤟😎🤟
“Oh sorry forgot to mention the trail ends on a fence” lol J, finally got my bike, for my budget and knowing you owned one, the 5010 was my pick. Thanks
J!!!! Wicked video. The new version of my bike and it looks awesome. Your vids are always so much fun and make me want to live in Draper and ride every day. Thanks for the escape and great review work. Best on RUclips !!
This bike is rad. My local shop was having a 50% off everything sale, so with trading in my base model Stumpy, I picked up the C90 BC Edition for under $2k. Seriously, bike rips over everything, with ease.
if you can keep a secret.... I actually think I'm going to get a BC Instinct... I loved my Instinct so much I think it would be super fun to ride it's big brother again!!!!
Thanks Bill.... for sure try and get a demo on some of these... they are one of the most underrated bike brands out there.... How are there not more people riding Rocky Mountain?!?!?!?!
After having finally received my BC Ed., I can definitely confirm Jason’s review, it’s a good climber considering the type of bike it is, and downhill, oh my, „you can ride the dumbest lines ....“ 😁 It’s a tank!
How would you compare the instinct, either BC or non BC, to the ripmo or a genius tuned? I mainly ride really rooty and tight trails that can beat the snot out of you. I am a bit of a wimp and do not attack downhills but I love to climb. 5'11, 160. I have been riding a Hightower CC with both 29 and 27.5+ but felt like I had to fight the front end to get it to turn. I overshot a couple of berms in Bentonville recently because of that. any other considerations would be appreciated as well. Thanks!!
Great video mate ,I am in Australia so the factory direct is a worry for after sales support. My local shop has Rocky Mountain bikes and I think I will try one out from this review.
You’re so good at these reviews! I hope to see you get your hands on the new YT CAPRA 29... I do believe in support your local bike shop but the YT is very tempting
Performance wise, I read where you mentioned you’d lean toward Instinct BC over wreckoning due weight of build. Weight aside what was more fun downhill between BC and Wreck.
Great video! Curious what an almost Bc edition would be like... Instinct Carbon 70 with a Fox 36 160. Would keep the ride 9 adjustability, a little more efficiency out back, a little more slack and stiff up front. Would be a lighter build and probably just as fast... what do you think?
I test rode one of these last week... great bike... really fast and controlled! Can't decide between the BC and the Wreckoning... will be buying a frame to build up a long travel 29er. Wasn't overly impressed with the Hightower LT... what are your impressions on the Evil Wrecker compared to the stinky BC??
The Instinct BC Edition will likely build up a little lighter weight all things being equal and they climb about the exact same. These are my 2 favorite long travel 29ers so far.... Good luck! The Rocky Mountain looks better in my opinion... if that maters to you?!
Trevor Bohnsach, yeah.... not as good as the original 140mm Instinct... but for a long travel bike, it's one of the better ones. Better than the Hightower LT or the Yeti SB5.5... about on par with the Wreckoning!
My Ibis HD4 is my favorite bike so far! Enduro.... hum, yeah I'd say it's maybe more "enduro" if you're talking about it being more capable on really fast really heavy trails. They're both suited to handle that same sort of terrain at a really high rate of speed but I think most people would maybe take the BC Edition Instinct over the HD4 for actual racing. Personally, I prefer the 27.5 wheel size in the "scary" situations at super high speeds. The only time I ever wish I was on a 29er is in the really janky sections on slower speed drops into absolute chunk... the 29er doesn't get wheel trapped and just sort of pops you out of totally sketch sections. Otherwise, I prefer the 27.5 in every other "enduro-y" bit of terrain at high speeds! Hope that answers your question?!
Great video! , Can i ask how you like the Code R brakes? How did they feel? I am just curious as i am looking at a variety of options to upgrade my brakes from guide R on my Bike, not sure whether to buy RSC lever assemblies or just upgrade them to Code R's, or even go and try some of the 4 pot xt brakes.
Another fun video, thanks. May I ask what makes one bike climb better than another? I know seat tube angle is a factor but it seems bikes in the same category have similar STA's but climb different. What do you notice/focus on when climbing that stands out in regards to how good a bike is on the ascent? Love the channel!
Great question. A 4 bar link like this Instinct or a DW link stay higher in the travel under power if they're set up with the same amount of sag as say a single pivot or VPP suspension style bike so it doesn't "wallow" into it's travel under pedaling... basically, there's less feedback coming from the pedals under power, or climbing. Another big factors are how racked out the bike is (head tube angle) and a big factor is tires... tires with less drag climb better where traction is still good. This is a topic for another time but the is just scratching the surface... 4 bar links and DW link bikes in my experience climb better....
Thank you for the reply, I did not even think about the linkage when asking my question lol. I recently picked up a used 2016 27.5 Orbea Rallon to replace my 10 year old 29'er and the difference is amazing, mostly due to the slack HTA I'm sure (old bike was 71 deg, new one 66 deg) but I'm still trying to get used to the lower BB height as I'm hitting my pedals all over the place. I'll be eagerly awaiting your next video.
Another cool video. Doubt the BC Instinct is the bike for me seeing I’ll be mostly cross country. I would never use this bike to it’s full potential. Still like always fun to watch you going down Jacobs
Instinct BC is faster than the Altitude just about everywhere accept maybe coming out of slower speed turn... the larger wheels take a little longer to get back up to speed but the Instinct BC owns the Altitude in plushness, stability, speed and basically just smashing anything in sight! The Altitude is the more poppy and playful bike!
How did you find the BC Edition to be in comparison to the Instinct? Is it “trail bike worthy”? Did it FEEL bigger than the Instinct? Did you feel higher off the ground? Did you still get the “inside the bike feeling”? Any problems with pedal strikes?
It feels very similar to the 140mm Instinct in terms of sizing and fit and riding... they're basically the same bike. The difference is it's much more capable in the rough terrain and at higher speeds and not as snappy or nimble feeling... little less fun at slower speeds. This bike is made to go fast and smash! No pedal strike issues on my trails
Awesome reviews man, love your channel and huge factor in my decision! When you say it's a big bike (right after the fence :) ), think it's too big of a bike for us shorter guys (5'7ish)? I'm coming off an Altitude Rally and love it, and ride some technical terrain, just curious on your thoughts of going from the Altitude Rally to the Instinct BC?
Yeah, by "big bike" I don't mean large in size, I mean, big as in burly or can handle a lot... can handle a "big trail" this also means it's a lot of bike for smaller, more basic and slower trails. On a steep high speed technical trail this bike absolutely rips! It can really handle a lot and is very composed even at the highest of speeds. Hope that makes sense! If you have more mellow slower trails, xc style, I'd go with the 140mm Instinct but, If you're trails are super gnarly and fast, the BC will be right at home! Good luck!
MTB yumyum Thanks a bunch man, I pulled the trigger after all. Our trails are a mix of some XC, but plenty of rocky, rooty and fast technical descents. That's my preference. The Altitude is right at home for my style so the BC should be a good fit, looking at switching up for the big wheels. Thanks again for your input, huge help!
you rode the Yeti SB5.5 - any words of comparison to the Instinct BC Edition? Any noticeable things comparing the extra 15mm travel the Instinct brings?
I ask myself the same question. I would like to try both on the same trail to see. If I rely the geometry, the Insctinct BC edition is longer than 20mm and the shock is 15mm higher. The reach is longer on the BC and the seat tube length is shorter by 15mm. In my opinion the Yeti is a little more playfull and climb better for the catégory but the BC edition has a modern geometry that smash the trail, the big drop etc ... The BC edition looks more like Wreckoning but lighter, and the SB5.5 is more like the Hightower LT but faster and more aggressive. This is my opinion according to the geometries but the opinion of someone who rolled both would be better ... lol MTB yumyum What do you think?
hey great video, i am thinking about getting an instinct bc edition but i am still a little unsure about 29inch wheels. how did this thing handle in the corners? nimble enough?
I wouldn't say it was nimble... but this bike is still a lot of fun considering it's made to smash everything in sight! If you're looking for nimble, look to the original 140mm Instinct... I loved that bike! Good luck!
Hey! So I am looking at the Instinct BC edition. I have a 2018 Orbea Rallon in Large. Its just a bit long and big for me at '5 "8.5 tall. So I am thinking BC edition in Medium will be nice. Seems like despite a bit more travel in the rear on the BC, its a bit less of a point and shoot bruiser and more playful than the Rallon. Will be able to buy the 9 link whatever and 140mm shock and have a standard instinct as well. I know your buddies have Rallons, and probably rode the BC instinct (and standard), can you comment on this at all or what they say if you havent ridden the Rallon?
Between me and you and your 25k subscribers:) why the switch? You seemed more stoked on the standard Instinct out of the two review videos. I ride in SLC area as well, but prefer the rowdier stuff (but not that good st it lol) I actually met you at the Ibis demo at CC last year :)
Did you notice if the rear shock makes almost a knocking sound as it gets into rough terrain? Mine is making noise and it’s hard to tell if this did in the video. :)
It's likely not the shock, it's probably chain slap.... The rubber chain stay protection is too hard and creates a loud knocking sounds the resonates through the frame.. look to the Specialized Stumpjumper for the design fix... good luck!
I have watched this video like ten times now :P purchased the A50 BC 2019 Today. The store only had large so they are bringing in the medium for me can't wait for it to turn up :D
Hi, thanks for all your reviews! I'm in trouble choosing my next bike. Already tried and loved the hightower LT, but can't test this bike ... . For a one quiver bike, for a little bit of hard XC, and mostly All-mountain (rocky and with roots) and enduro use (not racing, just for fun), and 3-4times/year in bike park, wich one would you recommend. I like to play with the bike (manual & jump what you can) and searching an efficient bike for the climb too.
I'd go with this over the LT. Steeper seat tube angle makes for a much better climbing bike and the 4-bar rear just feels like the better climbing bike. It's also very active on the way down... If I were looking for a longer travel 29er right now it would be the BC Instinct or the Ibis Ripmo!
Great question, these were my 2 favorite long travel 29ers..... I'd likely go with this BC Edition Instinct over the Wreckoning. They both climb well for long travel bikes and still have that really poppy feeling considering how stable they are at speed.... I was really surprised by this BC Edition!
After reading your comments on this bike and it’s peers, is it fair to say it’s a better climber than Hightower LT, but LT is a bit more agile downhill?
@MTB yumyum: Great review. I ordered a BC Edition last September, it should finally ship next month. Can't wait. I went for the BC Edition because I live in the Alps, I guess I can use the extra 20mm ;) Why do you think the normal Instinct climbs better than the BC Edition? Is it because of the 160mm/155mm vs 140mm, or because of weight? I'm planning to lose about 0.6 kg by switching out some components which should bring the bike closer to the weight of the normal Edition (Next R carbon cranks, XO1cassette, carbon handlebar and tubeless setup). I would very much appreciate your opinion on the effect of that tuning? Thanks Tom
Part of it comes down to the overall weight and pedal position.... also, I had the sag set at 35% as per Sam's (the Rocky Mountain rep) recommendation and without the shock locked out, it just wasn't there in terms of power to the pedals. The original Instinct on the other hand just transfers the power to the rear hub so well... I don't think you'll be disappointed in the BC Edition.... it climbs well for such a big bike!
Thank you for your answer. So I'll do the planned weight-finetuning and maybe go with 30% sag and see what happens. I'm sure it will be great. Have you ever tried the 29er Stumpjumper or Enduro? How would you compare those to the BC oder normal Instinct? I liked the Spec Enduro a lot, even for climbing, but my eyes just don't like the "X"-frame :)
I've ridden the current Enduro 29er and hated it... I don't think it climbs well and for a carbon frame $4,500 build it was almost 32 pounds.... it was a tank. Didn't care for it.... Good luck with the BC Instinct!
MTB yumyum The Enduro I owned was from 2013 or 14, maybe the new ones are different. Anyway, seems like I’m going in the right direction with the BC. Cheers and thanks for your helpful comments. Keep up the cool videos! 👍
With only a short 2-3 hours on the bike these are really more test rides and first impressions than "in depth reviews" so, a full pro/cons list would take more time... would love to do it but I dont really have enough time....
Yep, I'm 5'8" and rode the medium with a reach of 431 and a 50mm step I think... sizing felt perfect for a big bike like this! My Ibis HD4 has reach numbers at 435 and I ride a 40mm stem..... The Instinct BC Edition is spot on for a medium by todays standards!
The SB5.5 feels like an even bigger bike to me... I know that sounds weird as it has the least amount of travel but it just felt really big to me. It didn't have a very poppy lively feel so for me as a trail bike it wouldn't be what I'm looking for. In fact, of the Yeti's I've ridden, the SB4.5 is the only one I'd consider... I didn't get along well with the SB5 either.... Give the SB5.5 a demo and see what you think?!
Arnie V Now the ne Capra is the sweetest looking rig I've seen yet! Really hope they make a new Jeffsy that has that shape... YT is taking it to the next level.
Dude, 100% this bike is crazy confidence inspiring and will smooth out any trail.... it's not as fun as the original Instinct at lower speeds but if you want to get nasty, this is your bike!
Yeah, I didn't get a chance to ride the Slayer.... one of the best looking bikes out right now for sure. I'll be riding it this spring for sure though!
LOVE my 2019 BC in Orange. I bought January 2020 as a leftover at an AMAZING price, upgraded to carbon wheels and RF 800 carbon bars, really smoothed thinks out, thinking of 10-52 XX-1 upgrade, i just use on Blue trails so more than i need but pushing a bit more on the climb get me in better shape---Even that stock seat is super comfortable, no need for an upgrade there!
So, I demoed (sp?) this bike and bought it a week later. It is an unbelievable bike! Just for reference, I am 6ft and with gear I weigh about 190lbs (working on getting that down!). I previously owned a Yeti SB5 (demoed 4.5, and 5.5), and also a Santa Cruz Hightower (2017), and currently have a SC Tallboy. I also demoed a SC Hightower LT. I live in AZ and gravitate more towards 29er hoops. I feel this bike climbs better than all of them and descends like an absolute demon! It's important to take heart in what Jason and a lot of other guys here on RUclips repeat over and over, and that is to get out and try to demo one if you can. What one person might think about a bike might not be what someone else might think. Jason is an amazing rider, but he is also a lot smaller than me. This bike might feel totally different to him than it does me. For the gnar and rocky stuff that is all over Phoenix, this bike is absolutely perfect! I just can't get over how well this thing climbs, and even with the shock totally open! If you get a chance, demo one. You will not be disappointed ! Thanks for the awesome review Jason and for turning my attention to this amazing bike!
Wow, thank you for the feedback and sharing your story! Glad you're getting along with the Instinct so well.... I actually just picked one up for myself!!!
What size are you riding at 6 ft. I'm a little over 6ft 1 and trying to decide between a large or xl
I'm riding a Large.
TheArsenalGoonship Hey I’m just gonna buy one too , but.,..... do you think the Santa Cruz 5010 is better all round
New bike day! I finally received my Instinct BC Edition! What a beast!!!
Thanks for the review. That helped me to make my choice. I wish you a good season! Ride on! 🤟😎🤟
Dude! Congrats! You'll love it!
Thanks for the demo, you have only INTENSIFIED my Hunger for spring to hit and Demo Season to Kick off!!
dude, totally... can't wait for warmer weather!
“Oh sorry forgot to mention the trail ends on a fence” lol
J, finally got my bike, for my budget and knowing you owned one, the 5010 was my pick. Thanks
haha, yeah, sorry Sam! Dude, that's awesome.... the 5010 is a super playful snappy bike! Congrats!
Cracked me up when the rep ran into the fence! Ooppsss sorry mate there's a fence at the end of this trail. Haha. :)
hahaha, yeah.... sorry Sam, my bad! He's actually a really good rider but dang, that fence.... haha
J!!!! Wicked video. The new version of my bike and it looks awesome. Your vids are always so much fun and make me want to live in Draper and ride every day. Thanks for the escape and great review work. Best on RUclips !!
Nice, thanks Dustin!
This bike is rad. My local shop was having a 50% off everything sale, so with trading in my base model Stumpy, I picked up the C90 BC Edition for under $2k. Seriously, bike rips over everything, with ease.
Thanks for info I am saving up for one, I live on the North Shore( where they were born) and now I am going to save a lot harder to get one SOON.
if you can keep a secret.... I actually think I'm going to get a BC Instinct... I loved my Instinct so much I think it would be super fun to ride it's big brother again!!!!
MTB yumyum cool I am going to get B.C. edition myself.
Definitely plan on demoing some Rocky Mountain bikes. Another nice review, thanks.
Thanks Bill.... for sure try and get a demo on some of these... they are one of the most underrated bike brands out there.... How are there not more people riding Rocky Mountain?!?!?!?!
After having finally received my BC Ed., I can definitely confirm Jason’s review, it’s a good climber considering the type of bike it is, and downhill, oh my, „you can ride the dumbest lines ....“ 😁
It’s a tank!
Nice, congrats and enjoy your new Rocky!
I'd love to see a back to back comparison of this bike and the wreckoning
How would you compare the instinct, either BC or non BC, to the ripmo or a genius tuned? I mainly ride really rooty and tight trails that can beat the snot out of you. I am a bit of a wimp and do not attack downhills but I love to climb. 5'11, 160. I have been riding a Hightower CC with both 29 and 27.5+ but felt like I had to fight the front end to get it to turn. I overshot a couple of berms in Bentonville recently because of that. any other considerations would be appreciated as well. Thanks!!
Great video mate ,I am in Australia so the factory direct is a worry for after sales support.
My local shop has Rocky Mountain bikes and I think I will try one out from this review.
You’re so good at these reviews! I hope to see you get your hands on the new YT CAPRA 29... I do believe in support your local bike shop but the YT is very tempting
Dude, I totally agree... really like the price point and builds of the new YT bikes!
Another one to share on the JRA Cycles shop Facebook page, thanks! Can't wait for New England demo season, dyude.
Dude, this one's a fun one... for sure check it out! Thanks!
Performance wise, I read where you mentioned you’d lean toward Instinct BC over wreckoning due weight of build. Weight aside what was more fun downhill between BC and Wreck.
Close call... They're both a lot of fun. I might lean toward the BC Instinct though...
Great video! Curious what an almost Bc edition would be like... Instinct Carbon 70 with a Fox 36 160. Would keep the ride 9 adjustability, a little more efficiency out back, a little more slack and stiff up front. Would be a lighter build and probably just as fast... what do you think?
Dude, you're speaking my language right there buddy! I think that would be a killer bike!
I’m thinking about doing a 160mm fork and a 155mm shock on my C50. I’m curious how it’ll be.
You think you'll ever get your hands on the norco sight c2 27.5? Would love to see you put out a video on that
100% planning on it this April
Been waiting for this video!
Nice... glad you enjoyed it!
loving these reviews
Thanks dude!
Looking forward to a review of the new Thunderbolt. Looks really sweet.
Totally!
1:11 isn't this the instinct tho? did you mean to mention another bike?
I test rode one of these last week... great bike... really fast and controlled! Can't decide between the BC and the Wreckoning... will be buying a frame to build up a long travel 29er. Wasn't overly impressed with the Hightower LT... what are your impressions on the Evil Wrecker compared to the stinky BC??
The Instinct BC Edition will likely build up a little lighter weight all things being equal and they climb about the exact same. These are my 2 favorite long travel 29ers so far.... Good luck! The Rocky Mountain looks better in my opinion... if that maters to you?!
MTB yumyum Hey dude! How does the bc compare to the regular instinct?Does it climb as good?
He answers that question in the video. BC climbs good for what it is, but not near as efficient as the regular instinct.
bikesteamboat my bad.. At work and couldn't watch vid yet..
Trevor Bohnsach, yeah.... not as good as the original 140mm Instinct... but for a long travel bike, it's one of the better ones. Better than the Hightower LT or the Yeti SB5.5... about on par with the Wreckoning!
Best bike you’ve ever ridden? 😂 is the ibis hd4 or this more enduro-y?
I’ve been thinking about this bike a lot lately
My Ibis HD4 is my favorite bike so far! Enduro.... hum, yeah I'd say it's maybe more "enduro" if you're talking about it being more capable on really fast really heavy trails. They're both suited to handle that same sort of terrain at a really high rate of speed but I think most people would maybe take the BC Edition Instinct over the HD4 for actual racing. Personally, I prefer the 27.5 wheel size in the "scary" situations at super high speeds. The only time I ever wish I was on a 29er is in the really janky sections on slower speed drops into absolute chunk... the 29er doesn't get wheel trapped and just sort of pops you out of totally sketch sections. Otherwise, I prefer the 27.5 in every other "enduro-y" bit of terrain at high speeds! Hope that answers your question?!
MTB yumyum sure did! Thank you 😂
Great video! , Can i ask how you like the Code R brakes? How did they feel? I am just curious as i am looking at a variety of options to upgrade my brakes from guide R on my Bike, not sure whether to buy RSC lever assemblies or just upgrade them to Code R's, or even go and try some of the 4 pot xt brakes.
I though the Code R brakes were great... I might not be the best person to ask though as I only weigh 140 pounds.....
If you have a chance to test the new pivot firebird 29 would be interested in your thoughts on it and compared to the Rocky Mtn BC edition as well.
Yeah, I should get a ride on the 29er bird soon!
Another fun video, thanks. May I ask what makes one bike climb better than another? I know seat tube angle is a factor but it seems bikes in the same category have similar STA's but climb different. What do you notice/focus on when climbing that stands out in regards to how good a bike is on the ascent? Love the channel!
Great question. A 4 bar link like this Instinct or a DW link stay higher in the travel under power if they're set up with the same amount of sag as say a single pivot or VPP suspension style bike so it doesn't "wallow" into it's travel under pedaling... basically, there's less feedback coming from the pedals under power, or climbing. Another big factors are how racked out the bike is (head tube angle) and a big factor is tires... tires with less drag climb better where traction is still good. This is a topic for another time but the is just scratching the surface... 4 bar links and DW link bikes in my experience climb better....
Thank you for the reply, I did not even think about the linkage when asking my question lol. I recently picked up a used 2016 27.5 Orbea Rallon to replace my 10 year old 29'er and the difference is amazing, mostly due to the slack HTA I'm sure (old bike was 71 deg, new one 66 deg) but I'm still trying to get used to the lower BB height as I'm hitting my pedals all over the place. I'll be eagerly awaiting your next video.
Glad you got a new bike! Maybe play with the sag numbers on your Rallon to get that BB a little higher under normal pedaling...
Another cool video. Doubt the BC Instinct is the bike for me seeing I’ll be mostly cross country. I would never use this bike to it’s full potential. Still like always fun to watch you going down Jacobs
haha yeah, me too.... I'm really considering getting the original Instinct though.... one of my favorite bikes I've ever ridden!
Good review! Looks like a rad bike.
Thanks Ryan! You should for sure give is a test ride to compare with your new Pole Evolink?!
That's what I was thinking! They have solid reach numbers for this bike too, so it would be a good comparison, I think.
Great review. Been looking forward to this one. How do you think the Instinct BC stacks up to the Altitude?
Instinct BC is faster than the Altitude just about everywhere accept maybe coming out of slower speed turn... the larger wheels take a little longer to get back up to speed but the Instinct BC owns the Altitude in plushness, stability, speed and basically just smashing anything in sight! The Altitude is the more poppy and playful bike!
How did you find the BC Edition to be in comparison to the Instinct? Is it “trail bike worthy”? Did it FEEL bigger than the Instinct? Did you feel higher off the ground? Did you still get the “inside the bike feeling”? Any problems with pedal strikes?
It feels very similar to the 140mm Instinct in terms of sizing and fit and riding... they're basically the same bike. The difference is it's much more capable in the rough terrain and at higher speeds and not as snappy or nimble feeling... little less fun at slower speeds. This bike is made to go fast and smash! No pedal strike issues on my trails
The dead end crash. Awesome
haha yep!
J what does the BC mean , I’m just about to but the Instinct! But the 70 version is it a good bike ?
Awesome reviews man, love your channel and huge factor in my decision! When you say it's a big bike (right after the fence :) ), think it's too big of a bike for us shorter guys (5'7ish)? I'm coming off an Altitude Rally and love it, and ride some technical terrain, just curious on your thoughts of going from the Altitude Rally to the Instinct BC?
Yeah, by "big bike" I don't mean large in size, I mean, big as in burly or can handle a lot... can handle a "big trail" this also means it's a lot of bike for smaller, more basic and slower trails. On a steep high speed technical trail this bike absolutely rips! It can really handle a lot and is very composed even at the highest of speeds. Hope that makes sense! If you have more mellow slower trails, xc style, I'd go with the 140mm Instinct but, If you're trails are super gnarly and fast, the BC will be right at home! Good luck!
MTB yumyum Thanks a bunch man, I pulled the trigger after all. Our trails are a mix of some XC, but plenty of rocky, rooty and fast technical descents. That's my preference. The Altitude is right at home for my style so the BC should be a good fit, looking at switching up for the big wheels. Thanks again for your input, huge help!
you rode the Yeti SB5.5 - any words of comparison to the Instinct BC Edition? Any noticeable things comparing the extra 15mm travel the Instinct brings?
I ask myself the same question. I would like to try both on the same trail to see. If I rely the geometry, the Insctinct BC edition is longer than 20mm and the shock is 15mm higher. The reach is longer on the BC and the seat tube length is shorter by 15mm. In my opinion the Yeti is a little more playfull and climb better for the catégory but the BC edition has a modern geometry that smash the trail, the big drop etc ... The BC edition looks more like Wreckoning but lighter, and the SB5.5 is more like the Hightower LT but faster and more aggressive. This is my opinion according to the geometries but the opinion of someone who rolled both would be better ... lol MTB yumyum What do you think?
hey great video, i am thinking about getting an instinct bc edition but i am still a little unsure about 29inch wheels. how did this thing handle in the corners? nimble enough?
I wouldn't say it was nimble... but this bike is still a lot of fun considering it's made to smash everything in sight! If you're looking for nimble, look to the original 140mm Instinct... I loved that bike! Good luck!
Looked like the handlebars did not move or bounce during the ride. Nice.
Crazy stable bike that really comes to life at higher speeds.... rad bike for sure!
Hey! So I am looking at the Instinct BC edition. I have a 2018 Orbea Rallon in Large. Its just a bit long and big for me at '5 "8.5 tall. So I am thinking BC edition in Medium will be nice. Seems like despite a bit more travel in the rear on the BC, its a bit less of a point and shoot bruiser and more playful than the Rallon. Will be able to buy the 9 link whatever and 140mm shock and have a standard instinct as well. I know your buddies have Rallons, and probably rode the BC instinct (and standard), can you comment on this at all or what they say if you havent ridden the Rallon?
I agree... the Rallon feels much more like the point and shoot bike. Between you and me, I will likely be riding a BC Edition Instinct this summer...
Between me and you and your 25k subscribers:) why the switch? You seemed more stoked on the standard Instinct out of the two review videos. I ride in SLC area as well, but prefer the rowdier stuff (but not that good st it lol) I actually met you at the Ibis demo at CC last year :)
I just wanna spend more time on a long travel 29er this summer! Planning on more time at Deer valley and other more techy trails this season!
Did you notice if the rear shock makes almost a knocking sound as it gets into rough terrain? Mine is making noise and it’s hard to tell if this did in the video. :)
It's likely not the shock, it's probably chain slap.... The rubber chain stay protection is too hard and creates a loud knocking sounds the resonates through the frame.. look to the Specialized Stumpjumper for the design fix... good luck!
Any chance on reviewing the a50? here is New Zealand the 2019 A50 Instinct BC edition is 5.5k vs the c90 bc for 8k.
I don't have access to the A50.... sorry. I'm sure it's very similar to the carbon version honestly....
I have watched this video like ten times now :P purchased the A50 BC 2019 Today. The store only had large so they are bringing in the medium for me can't wait for it to turn up :D
Jason, whats the BB height of your medium? Any more pedal strikes than the norm? I need to demo this bike!
Hi, thanks for all your reviews! I'm in trouble choosing my next bike. Already tried and loved the hightower LT, but can't test this bike ... . For a one quiver bike, for a little bit of hard XC, and mostly All-mountain (rocky and with roots) and enduro use (not racing, just for fun), and 3-4times/year in bike park, wich one would you recommend. I like to play with the bike (manual & jump what you can) and searching an efficient bike for the climb too.
I'd go with this over the LT. Steeper seat tube angle makes for a much better climbing bike and the 4-bar rear just feels like the better climbing bike. It's also very active on the way down... If I were looking for a longer travel 29er right now it would be the BC Instinct or the Ibis Ripmo!
Which bike did you like better-Rocky BC or Evil Wreck? They both seem pretty similar.
Great question, these were my 2 favorite long travel 29ers..... I'd likely go with this BC Edition Instinct over the Wreckoning. They both climb well for long travel bikes and still have that really poppy feeling considering how stable they are at speed.... I was really surprised by this BC Edition!
Looking at a 2019 now for 3600.00 including shipping, only 1 blue left
How does the bike climb compared to the rocky mountain altitude?
After reading your comments on this bike and it’s peers, is it fair to say it’s a better climber than Hightower LT, but LT is a bit more agile downhill?
Spot on! This feels like the bigger bike compared to the LT
@MTB yumyum: Great review. I ordered a BC Edition last September, it should finally ship next month. Can't wait. I went for the BC Edition because I live in the Alps, I guess I can use the extra 20mm ;)
Why do you think the normal Instinct climbs better than the BC Edition? Is it because of the 160mm/155mm vs 140mm, or because of weight? I'm planning to lose about 0.6 kg by switching out some components which should bring the bike closer to the weight of the normal Edition (Next R carbon cranks, XO1cassette, carbon handlebar and tubeless setup). I would very much appreciate your opinion on the effect of that tuning?
Thanks
Tom
Part of it comes down to the overall weight and pedal position.... also, I had the sag set at 35% as per Sam's (the Rocky Mountain rep) recommendation and without the shock locked out, it just wasn't there in terms of power to the pedals. The original Instinct on the other hand just transfers the power to the rear hub so well... I don't think you'll be disappointed in the BC Edition.... it climbs well for such a big bike!
Thank you for your answer. So I'll do the planned weight-finetuning and maybe go with 30% sag and see what happens. I'm sure it will be great. Have you ever tried the 29er Stumpjumper or Enduro? How would you compare those to the BC oder normal Instinct? I liked the Spec Enduro a lot, even for climbing, but my eyes just don't like the "X"-frame :)
I've ridden the current Enduro 29er and hated it... I don't think it climbs well and for a carbon frame $4,500 build it was almost 32 pounds.... it was a tank. Didn't care for it.... Good luck with the BC Instinct!
MTB yumyum The Enduro I owned was from 2013 or 14, maybe the new ones are different. Anyway, seems like I’m going in the right direction with the BC.
Cheers and thanks for your helpful comments. Keep up the cool videos! 👍
Yeah Dude! You were flying on that thing.
Seriously... the new BC Edition Instinct will absolutely tomahawk any trails with ease... smash everything in sight!
What’s the main difference between the 2018 and 2017 Rocky Mountain instinct BC? Is the new rocky Instinct like the old BC? Thanks Brooks.
Completely new redesigned bike for 2018
how would you compare stinky bc to the sc htlt? thank you
It seems like this trail just gets better and better lol thanks my friend =)
haha yeah I know... I'll have a lot more different trails to film on this season!
I still think you should do a pro and con section after every review.
With only a short 2-3 hours on the bike these are really more test rides and first impressions than "in depth reviews" so, a full pro/cons list would take more time... would love to do it but I dont really have enough time....
how about your view on the different rear suspensions....dw vpp etc.....
hum, that's like an entire video.. but maybe I'll do it. In short, I like a DW or 4 bar link best!
Thus “BC” Edition. We here in British Columbia have serious trails goin’ on.
Is that low speed or high speed rebound?
Have you compared this to the Transition sentinel yet?
Cheers!
Mike
I've not yet ridden the Sentinel.... sorry dude!
Oh man that was cool! Sweet bike too!
Just an absolute smasher of a bike! Enduro ready, ummm yeah! Totally!
Thx, but is the new rocky instinct a better climber than the old BC?
I never rode the old NC Instinct..... the new Instinct is incredible!
Btw I love ur videos!! Keep doing what ur doin
Are you going to have a live stream tonight??
Nope... in Hawaii with the kids.... beach is life right now bro!
“That’s a big bike man” lol
I just ordered it and I am like a kid on xmas eve
Nice, congrats!
Does that rep have an Altitude with a darker blue colour way?
He was on the pipeline today but he also rides an altitude in green/purple
Hey Jason - was that a medium? Did it feel long or short? Appreciate any comment on sizing. Love your videos and format!
Yep, I'm 5'8" and rode the medium with a reach of 431 and a 50mm step I think... sizing felt perfect for a big bike like this! My Ibis HD4 has reach numbers at 435 and I ride a 40mm stem..... The Instinct BC Edition is spot on for a medium by todays standards!
Yeti SB 5.5 or this bike?
Instinct BC Edition or Evil Wreckoning over the Yeti SB5.5.... I've heard good things about the Orbea Rallon as well but I've yet to ride it...
MTB yumyum can you tell me a bit more why? I was heading for the SB5.5
The SB5.5 feels like an even bigger bike to me... I know that sounds weird as it has the least amount of travel but it just felt really big to me. It didn't have a very poppy lively feel so for me as a trail bike it wouldn't be what I'm looking for. In fact, of the Yeti's I've ridden, the SB4.5 is the only one I'd consider... I didn't get along well with the SB5 either.... Give the SB5.5 a demo and see what you think?!
Cool video thanks for sharing 👍
You bet!
Hope you can review the 2018 Capra.. Cheers.
You got it... April is the plan!
Arnie V Now the ne Capra is the sweetest looking rig I've seen yet! Really hope they make a new Jeffsy that has that shape... YT is taking it to the next level.
MTB yumyum Wow! That's good to hear, Im looking forward to that, by the way, Thanks for your video, love them all.
What bike would you prefer the instinct or instinct BC
for me and my riding, the 140mm instinct
You took a bunch of nasty lines you do not usually take. Bike gave you some extra confidence eh?
Dude, 100% this bike is crazy confidence inspiring and will smooth out any trail.... it's not as fun as the original Instinct at lower speeds but if you want to get nasty, this is your bike!
What about the slayer?
Yeah, I didn't get a chance to ride the Slayer.... one of the best looking bikes out right now for sure. I'll be riding it this spring for sure though!
MTB yumyum I look gorward to your Slayer review.
Nice
thanks dude!
Should've given it the beans lol.
hahaha, trust me, we did! Thanks dude!
it's sick brah, but pretty....
Thanks dude!
My name is Ryan, and I like to party
haha me too!
It doesn't look like a big bike to me,you must be 5' tall