You misunderstood Grindcore
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- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
- The most underrated and misunderstood genre in the Metal scene is Grindcore. Let's do something about that.
Since I started to play in a Grindcore band back in 2017 I really got close to the genre and its people.
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Old School Punk Rock -> Hardcore Punk -> UK82 -> Crust Punk -> Grindcore.
That was how grindcore was born.
I see it more like old school DM with Hardcore Punk/crossover. D.R.I is crossover btw which is thrash mixed with Hardcore punk 😂
@@shagstars I know D.R.I., I am old enough for that (44yo). Their style has been described as "Crossover Thrash". The Exploited - Beat the Bastards, releases in 1996, was also considered as "Crossover Thrash". I also like the old stuff of The Exploited, when they were "Street Punk" and "UK82".
@@ChuckyDoll79 the exploited of early 80s was fun yeah. Fuck the usa! 🤣
I thought it was from a cespool full of shit mixed with nuclear waste.
It's more like an evolution of "thrashcore', starting with DRI, then stuff like Septic Death, Siege, Electro Hippies, etc.
Although most early grindcore bands were "Crust Punk" first, feels weird to have it in that equation . I mean, how can Amebix and Extreme Noise Terror be in the same subgenre, right?
I think the most important step to grindcore is to never shower
You'd be surprised how many locations offer showers! ... nobody uses
@@Farvann just the way it should be us crust heads and grindcore fans must stay trve to our roots
Well, I'm one step closer to grindcore then
Wrong, that is crust punk
@@viniciusfrattafritz4547 grind is an offshoot of crust.
Punk>hardcore>crust>grind
Never heard the saying ''in grind we crust''?
Metalcore is if metal and hardcore had a child.
Grindcore is if Metal and Hardcore were isolated in a cabin in the middle of the mountains, and 6 generations later, their incestuous offspring got radicalized on Reddit.
grindcore is if metalheads lived in an amazon warehouse
Redditurds are liberals, grindcore is anarchist and based
even though Grindcore is a subgenre of hardcore punk, i still think it takes a lot of influence from metal
True, but shhhh 🤫
OR the other way around! It's still not clear whether death metal or grindcore existed first
Hardcore subgenres take from metal and metal subgenres take from hardcore. The majority of both was influenced by the other, or even a lot of music that we call "metal" actually evolved not from metal at all, but was called metal only because of the dark satanic aesthetic associated with it (e.g. black metal literally grew out of punk and only later on evolved into stuff that could be called metal when newer waves starting mixing black metal with actual metal influences), or even thrash metal is literally a mix of heavy metal and hardcore (especially the rhythmics of thrash are taken grom hc/punk) and so on. Nothing about modern music genres existed in a bubble and you can't entirely separate metal and hardcore, there is more overlap between them than what could be considered "pure" either in all of existence.
@@TimmyTurner421pretty sure dm existed first. Scum was released in 87 and is generally considered the first grindcore album, while Possessed’s Seven Churches was released in 85, and that’s the first death metal album. And Jeff from Possessed coined the term “death metal” as early as 1983
No shit
Best way to think about Grindcore is to think Punk and Metal had a child together and neither of them wants nothing to do with said problem child that inherited the worst qualities of both...And yes I do mean this analogy as a *positive* one of grindcore.
so then metalcore is the stepbrother and the child of its mothers (hcpunk) embarrassing affair with pop music and tries to get accepted by its stepfather (metal) by annoyingly identifying as a son of metal lol
@@sausagewater484sumed up perfectly
metalcore is the step child, DUR!!!@@sausagewater484
@@sausagewater484nooooot really
"metalcore" in its original form came about in the late 80s and early 90s with bands like Judge, Earth Crisis, Ringworm, and Integrity that took the slower, heavier, and grittier styles of hardcore punk and mixed in thrash & first wave black metal, even occasionally death metal (this would be the earliest incarnations of "deathcore"), what you're referring to is what happened when hardcore punk started falling by the wayside in popularity behind pop punk and metal became so marginalized in the popular music space that only melodic death metal and extremely flowery power metal were making it through to the MySpace generation as "relevant"
No Grindcore is loved by its parents
Its the siblings that are less loved😂
I once attended to a local grindcore show and it was fukking 15 minutes of pure chaos. That was nice.
Went to a 3 days grindcore festival once. Best two hours of my life.
@@Bazelf That sounds awesome man! 🤣🤣
they played 85 songs
Grind itself (like napalm death) is an extrem form of crust punk
Just like this comment is an extrem (sic) form of banal idiocy
@@8523wsxc maiby you are ignorant about early grind music
I've always seen Napalm Death as a form of metal. Guess I live eand learn. Anyway, I'm a metalhead and I love grindcore as well.
napalm death were influenced by metal even on their first album, before they called themselves grindcore they called themselves thrashcore not crust punk
@@cobgod1415 "hardcore punk". Read something more about them.
This song unintentionally increased shareholder value.
Meh. It's a little slow.
just a little slow!
And of course, too long.
Brutal Truth :)
how to grindcore:
1.) forget everything you know
2.) look at the news and get _amgery_
3.) grab the first instrument you find in a rehersal room
4.) be _amgery_ but with the instrument
5.) prof... no wait, its grindcore :)
Cringe
@@ryan.1990 the word cringe is more cringe than anything else.
This video is very authentic not only in terms of content but also in terms of design. ;D I love the "underground feel" this video has. ;D Really well done! 👍
He posted it like five seconds ago......
Supporters get the videos a few days earlier
@@Farvann Oh ok
@@themanonguitar3398 mere mortal, it's Octoman, he's always on time! Even when he's late!
GBH arent getting enough love man. They still tour and kick ass!
grindcore takes from both. hardcore punk and metal (eraly thrash, later death)
Exactly this dude is trippin
Two of my favorite genres are black metal and grindcore
And now one of the black metal RUclipsrs I watch is talking about grindcore. Good shit.👍
War metal is a good combo of the two
@@Signal_in_the_noise I definitely dig war metal.
Grindcore is the perfect example of genre not being a linear progression. it comes from Hardcore Punk, but with enough influence from Thrash and Death Metal that it's at times hard to recognize as a subgenre of Punk. Black Metal did the same from the other side, picking up D-Beats and DIY attitude from 80s Hardcore and incorporating that into a darker take on European Thrash.
Babe wake up, Farvann uploaded
farvann stays in sex
Like the editing on this video
Yeah the editing was fun! But also very time consuming hahaha
I mean yeah I see a lot more punks at grindcore shows than metalheads
Oh yes and they are a better audience as well
@@Farvannyes they like to have fun
It’s not true grindcore unless it was recorded by a bunch of ketamine addicts in the basement of a warehouse
Why would a warehouse have a basement? For forklifts to fall into? Had a job?
@@FardtilUshid to do k in duh
You seamlessly transitioned from Grind to Crust with that chorus. I'm impressed.
Changing videos relating to poverty, military or governmental figures/buildings ✅
Starvation mentioned ✅
Mandatory clip from a speech ✅
Not every genre ending in "core" is related to punk. There are also electronic music genres like the electronic genre called "hardcore", happy hardcore, breakcore etc.
Awesome to see you back! Love the editing on this video.
That was a groovy grindcore jam! Nice explanations \m/
I love when people say "post hardcore isn't metal" and then tell them "ya, it's post hardcore PUNK!"
Holy the video editing went from 100 to 1000!! Big fan of your videos and great video as always!! :D
I feel a lot of oldschool Sepultura energy 🤘
So Grindcore is what happens when punks actually learn how to play their instruments.
Sort of. I think the genre powerviolence is a better example of that
Most bands play very tight while fcking with time signatures and tempos. Highly recommend the band No Comment and their EP Downsided if you've never heard the genre!
@@Sergio-nb4hj True, Powerviolence is great
Oh, yes, absolutely. I mean, it's common knowledge that hacks like Dead Kennedys, Bad Brains, Fear, and Rich Kids on LSD were horrible musicians. I mean, just listen to their tight rhythm sections and shredding guitar players to hear just what I mean. Total amateur hour.
The myth that punk comes from people not having music skills was a weird marketing trick to get interest from the public in bands like pistols, damned and clash and their new york equivalents by the promoters flogging the product, it then lead to a bunch of regional copycat scenes which resulted in either crap party bands or gradually developing competent musicianship on the part of so called punks. American hardcore is even weirder because despite the fact that it was even more grass roots than 77 era punk the members of bands like bad brains and dead kennedys came from prog backgrounds. The idea of punk being unskilled comes from the fact that it was a minimalist music movement designed to counteract the mid 70's stadium rock scene which was exclusively populated by very high tier musicians. Waay too many early 80's hardcore bands were made by exceptional musicians, just minimalists instead of musically decadent and indulgent like prog starts were at the time. The real problem here is that long haired metal dudes literally too much of the time don't know a fucking THING about other genres of music, embarrassingly so the genres that influenced and shaped it into what extreme metal has been since the 80's. Just try minutemen, nomeansno, die kreuzen, articles of faith, the effigies, all are made by competent musicians.
Wtf, no. How did you get this impression?
I used to absolutely _love_ Blood Duster - but those dudes are metalheads that came at it from that angle. They mixed in some old school rock n roll and that's what they went with. Mind you, most of the longer songs on their records aren't grindcore at all, but they'd be surrounded by a heap of 1 to 2 minute grind tracks. Another cool Aussie grind band is Fuck I'm Dead
I only listen to music that makes me file assault charges after listening. This sounds right up my alley.
Great job man! This was cool. I guess you noticed our tent cities.
Actually no, I was in Tucson only. And I landed in Phoenix, didn't see any tents 😅
You're right, Grindcore is basically a mixture of the sound of Crust Punk (Antisect, Doom etc) with speed and brief songs of Thrashcore (Siege, early D.R.I. etc). In fact, nothing to do with Metal really (even if there's also Metal influences of course)
Mostly just the deep guitar sounds and speed, mixed with the vocal styles, is why it gets lumped into metal. I’d say
Completely agree with you@@s.t.5590
what the hell is "Thrashcore"? is that a new genre you kids made up? i don't like it *grumps*
@@randomdudelife Unfortunately the sub-genres of sub-genres of sub-genres of sub-genres will likely never stop.
@@s.t.5590Thrashcore is a term thats been used since the late 80s, youre just ignorant lmao
The song kicks ass, good you are back🤘
"Bathory is a mix of Black Sabbath, Motörhead and GBH" Quorthon
Therefore Black Metal is a subgenre of Hardcore Punk
"I think it's better to say offspring, not subgenre" 🧐
Discharge was the genesis of grincore & thrash.
Putting PLF as an example shows how hard in can be sometimes, even some Nasum riffing is hard when done right
Grindcore = Punk and brutal metal mixed. I was there when it started in the 80's
Can we all just appreciate that god dam riff after 4mins 😊😊😊😊
Grind bands like ND and Carcass started picking up metal influences really early. It’s also hard to describe bands like Terrorizer as playing anything other than metal. I’ve also never really considered ENT or similar bands to be grind. Just really heavy d-beat. Anyway, I’m really glad to be too old to have to endure hours of derivative grind bands at local venues. I like the genre, but have seen enough.
ND stopped being pure grindcore around early 90s, but they have never lost this hardcore punk/post-punk/crust punk base from which they came. Even today, you can still hear all of those influences in their sound even though they brought many metallic elements and styles.
I have misunderstood grindcore. I thought it was a genre of gay porn.😂
You never know!
That would be grindrcore.
To be fair pornogrind exists
True. I love metal and punk and this is accurate af. And your song slaps.
Those lyrics kind of make me want to listen to Circle Jerks. "Mrs. America, how's your favorite son? Do you know just what he's done... NO!"
Great video! I stumbled into grindcore after spending my teens into hardcore and then powerviolence. Beyond the odd record here and there, I'd never been into metal, nor knew too much at all about it. So (while I totally see metal's critical and sizable presence in grindcore), it always felt a very punk/hardcore punk genre to me. I adore old skool mince, and to me that really feels (in sound and energy/culture) very punk indeed. I've been a grind type for maybe 25 years now... but I 've had to do a lot of learning about what 'metal' is!
Grind led me to loving goregrind, gorenoise, mincegore, grindviolence, noisecore, etc... and I'm still not really connected to the rest of metal. Grind spectrum kind of feels like an extension of crustpunk to my (ill trained) ear, and I fucking love it!
1:25 anything under 200bpm will cause the bus to explode.
People tend to forget how much punk and metal were on speaking terms in the early 80s. There was a lot of back-and-forth cross-pollination going on. Thrash, and by extension early black metal were informed by hardcore and D-beat.. and Discharge were kind of rejected by the punk scene and ended up turning into a kind of shitty metal band for a while.
Grindcore is ok. Now, deathgrind...that is metal and pretty awesome.
I like deathgrind and some goregrind as well.
Powerviolence and grindcore ❤
Gulch
Sick bass tone!
4:05 is nasty! Great vid
Highly accurate. I've always thought of grindcore as punk. Some of it is more metal influenced, but its still punk. Just punk pushed to its furthest extreme.
Grindcore - hc and crust punk on maximal 😀🔥🤘
Great you're back! Basssound is naaaaasty
That actually sounded pretty bad ass lol
Danke Farvann!! Cool video. Really opens up my understanding...
Grindcore and Power Violence all fuckin day!!
Me, someone who absolutely despises grindcore:
Hmmm, interesting *clicks*
Nice job on the editing. It's not necessary for me to enjoy your videos but it's a nice effect.
Unironically, those vocals in the first verse were absolutely sick.
Keijo’s face marks his… approval?😹 The best grindcore singer in my opinion. Long live ROTTEN SOUND!
Dude... I love Grindcore.
It can be said that grindcore is the conclusion of Metal and Punk hybrids, and being there are subgenres within grind called goregrind, grindgore, cybergrind, and arguably Powerviolence, Grindcore exists distinct within the Rock & Roll family as Metal is made distinct from Rock.
You forgot about the animals screaming in disbelief.
Solar!!!! The sickest axes on the planet
I don’t think Grindcore is Metal or Punk. I think Grind is a genre of its own imo, as Grind and it’s many sister subgenres are pretty much the Noise Not Music scene.
Grindcore takes elements of Death Metal and Hardcore Punk, and just turns it up to 11 with the most absurdist way possible. With GoreGrind, DeathGrind, PornoGrind, ScatGrind, CyberGrind all coming out of that Grindcore genre.
But there is a few genres with both Metal and Punk influences.
* Thrash Metal was influenced by NWOBHM, early Speed Metal, and Punk.
* Crossover Thrash being a fusion of Punk/Hardcore Punk and Thrash Metal.
* Groove Metal has some New York Hardcore leanings, bands like Biohazard, Throwdown, Pro Pain, and Hatebreed all could be classed as Groove Metal, as Phil Anselmo was a big fan of New York Hardcore and Pantera had very strong New York Hardcore leanings.
* Metalcore originally being a fusion of Melodic Death Metal and Hardcore Punk, but then Metalcore becomes like adjacent Post Hardcore with Metal influences.
* Deathcore being a fusion of Death Metal and Metalcore.
* Crust Punk is very influenced by Metal and has Metal leanings.
But Metal and Hardcore become very blurred in places.
The endles discutions of what is metal and not 💀💀💀
Beatles!
There is definitely Death Metal influence in Grindcore. Punk/Hardcore/a seasoning of Death Metal. And if you want it to be more Metal than hardcore punk, Deathgrind is your answer.
Incredibly accurate!
Trad grindcore = VERY hardcore punk
A friend of mine and the former guitarist from the world famous band Sadistic Emergency sad it that way: "In Grindcore every musician is absolutely virtuous with his instrument - rethoric pause - and then you just cycle through the instruments."
Can't stand all those poser metalheads trying to do grindcore and end up making some vulgar shit about murder and/or porn.
Du gehörst nicht dazu
The porn stuff is the worst. I get goregrind, especially since Carcass' original intention was to push a pro-vegetarian message, but the porn themed stuff is just pointless (and usually very low quality... stinking up the scene)
@Sergio-nb4hj yes, at least stand for something, of course it's ok to make the occasional nonsensical song about beer or pizza. But please just go away if your only aim is to be as bRoOoTaL as possible. Grow up already.
I agree, but from the other camp. I don't know why people are so desperate to be like "oh grindcore is 1/28ths metal on its granddads side so it's totally metal." Let punk be punk and metal be metal.
@OGpostaldude oh yea sure, ppl can write whatever the fuck they want.
Some death metal is ok, but most is just cringe, comes down to the message, not the music. I prefer black metal, it's generally more for the mind.
No, my gripe is with interloping brootal posers stupidly stumbling into something they can't comprehend and making it about something it is not.
You're slightly not wrong about the lyrical content of actual grindcore being ''extreme'', just not in a way you'd prolly understand. 🤡🤡🤡
@@PostalDude97 My problem isn't that it's poser, just that it dilutes the grindcore genre and punk roots. I am primarily a death metal fan (slam fan actually) and I also love power electronics, I have no problem with vile lyrics and imagery. But when you do it in grindcore, I expect there to be a point
Excellently explained 😻
the editing is so great for my 3 second attention span LMFAO
my boy farvann delivering the goods once again, great video!
I've been a Grindcore fan for 20+ years, I always count it as metal, as most Punk fans wouldn't like it, but most extreme Metal fans probably would. It does have origins in Punk of course, but it also has origins in Metal too. Repulsion started as a Thrash band who added Punk to their music for example. I think it depends mostly on the band. Carcass is also more Metal than it is Punk, even though their earlier music was more Punk. Even Amebix who aren't grindcore, but "Crust" I would say are more metal than they are punk. If it has pig squeals and fringes it's poser Grindcore though...
It's funny, most punks I know like Grindcore and most Metalheads I know hate it :D
People being people.
@@Farvann I would definitely agree with people being people. I used to know a guy who was a "UK82/D-beat" punk in the 80's, but he liked some metal, and when Amebix came out all his punk friends hated it because it was "too metal", whereas he thought it was excellent. I do know a few metal heads who like punk but hate grindcore as well.
I am a metal fan, so my bias is towards it being metal, but I also love punk, and punk was the first "alternative" music I liked when I was around 5 or 6, my brother is 7 years older than me and he liked 70's punk, so he got me into it, but he hates metal in general, and definitely hates grindcore.
It's definitely a polarising genre that's for sure.
Sounds more like Deathcore.
too high quality for grindcore
I just had no idea Farvann actually lacked the amount of talent not needed to be able to make a proper grindcore song! Good job!
hahaha
I came to see Keijo. I didn't see Keijo. Thats not too grindcore to market grindcore videos with Keijos face without Keijo in the video
BRUTAL TRUTH was my go to grindcore. They were so experimental and raw.
1:00 that's why mathgrind exists
Grindcore isnt Metal but Goregrind is ? Tell this someone who doesnt listen to this
Grind is punk as fuck!
0:43 so good hahahaha
Oh, cool. A metal song. Let's hear it!
"Anything under 2000 BPM is forbidden"
*Trap Them would like to have a word with you*
The song in this video was 190 bpm 😂
IT'S SPEED :D
All this info is cool and all, but I really love your voice :)
Grindcore is SO heavy its almost metal.
power violence was before grindcore which is a sub-genre of hardcore punk. in a few napalm death videos you can see barney rocking infest and siege shirts.
Siege was thrashcore, not powerviolence. Powerviolence has large emphasis on tempo changes and breakdowns, which Siege dont have
Depends. If you are thinking about Napalm Death or Repulsion when you mention grindcore its closer to thrash metal than hardcore punk. But if you are thinking about Brutal Truth, Nails, Magrudergrind, Anal Cunt, Insect Warfare in that case its closer to punk
And I thought my two favourite Grindcore bands, ND and Brutal Truth, were extreme metal and I associated them with Death and Black metal, it was probably the vocals.
My parents listened to punk among other things and I have always liked it. It make sense that I as a "rebellious" teenager went to listen "extreme punk".
Well after doing grindcore for about 30 yrs .it's just as fun now as it was when I first blast beats in 1992;
I wanna form an unplugged grindcore band with: drums, double bass, piano, bassoon, saxophone, trombone, trumpet, and 4 cellos
I thought this question was settled long time ago. Punks gave metalheads Grindcore, and kept Crossover. But punks still felt cheated, so they came up with Powerviolence out of spite.
nails type beat....I LOVE IT
Rings Of Saturn brought me here.
That's weird, since it's a totally different genre. But nice! 😄
02:29Bass tone for grindcore
This was really well done!
Woah this dude made an entire grindcore album at the end
I think the misconception about people thinking grindcore is a metal sub genre, is because Napalm Death switched to Death Metal right after coming up with the genre lol
Finally someone says it. Grindcore is NOT metal. Now get triggered.