The Difference between Grindcore and Powerviolence (w/ Guitar Covers)
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- Опубликовано: 13 июн 2024
- I tried to compare Grindcore to Powerviolence. Focus on guitar riffs.
Credit:
Charles Bronson
(not on the Internet)
Nasum
nasum.bandcamp.com/
MARTØ
marto59.bandcamp.com/album/mart
Insect Warfare
insectwarfare.bandcamp.com/al...
Wormrot
wormrot.bandcamp.com/album/hiss
Chapter:
0:00 - Disclaimer
0:10 - Charles Bronson
0:23 - Nasum
0:54 - MARTØ
1:14 - Insect Warfare
1:52 - My Point
2:13 - Wormrot 
Видеоклипы
![5 Essential Scales for Hardcore Punk/Crust/D-Beat Guitar (Guitar-Hack #6) [w/Tabs]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/PbLvLoB8BqQ/mqdefault.jpg)
![Goolagoon - Patrickviolence Demo [2015]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Ji6rmxV8-5M/mqdefault.jpg)
1:09 I always loved this quirk of Powerviolence, the "angry coach" vocals
hahaha right on!
Splendid video. I would also add that pv is known for having sludgy parts, especially later pv
but. grindocore didnt emerge from metal. Napalm Death started as a crust punk band and a large part of early grind came from punk scenes. I feel a better wording would be that Grindcore has stronger metal influences while PV is strictly just punk.
One could argue, that early crust punk/grind emerged from early metal AND punk. Concrete Sox, Repulsion, Nasum, Electro Hippies (in a way) and so on. Nothing is bipolar. :)
But yeah, you're right!
I totally agree. Actually, Grindcore has punk roots blended with death metal, whereas Powerviolence originated from punk with thrash metal, hardcore, and crossover influences.
I think it's closer to say that grind came from both crust punk AND metal (since Napalm Death, Carcass all had their roots in the former but drew heavily on the latter) whereas Powerviolence came more from hardcore...and grind of course, since that was already around haha. But great vid anyway. That Insect Warfare riff is indeed sick.
Fair enough,thx for that!
You are right, of course; there are so many nuances to each genre. Personally, I think that "genres" are a pretty dull concept in the first place, and I really don't like it when people create bands with the intent of sounding like a certain period of punk in a certain area-that's pretty uncreative. From my experience, genre designations make sense in hindsight, e.g., even a small town can have its own style of music. It's pretty awesome to see such things in person.. yep, and it's still happening in 2024. Sometimes we focus too much on the dinosaurs; that's why I included the band MARTØ from France. Over there, you can see an awesome development of grind and PV: Lovve, Jodie Faster, Whorse Nation, Warfuck, Failure (i guess they are from Italy though)... you name it. Basically, the Lixiviat-Crew!
Czech had a similar "scene" at some point. I love such things! :)
Cheers
Yeah to elaborate PV is essentially comes from a scene of california hardcore bands that took fastcore (early d.r.i, deep wound, Siege, septic death, etc) to a next level with more chaotic tempo changes, faster fast parts, slower slow parts and dissonance and noise, as well as some tropes like that Infest vocal style. Said fastcore and certain hc used to be called "thrash" before thrash metal called itself thrash, so to differentiate people say "thrashcore". Started by bands like Infest, man is the bastard, no comment, capitalist casualties, etc.
Meanwhile, grind was a bit earlier, coming from the UK D-Beat/Crust/Anarcho Punk side with napalm death, Extreme noise terror and disattack (carcass). Essentially they mixed whatever they were doing with the exteme side of U.S. fastcore/thrashcore/thrash and Death Metal like Celtic Frost and Hellhammer(which were Discharge influenced themselves). Then there was also death metal bands like repulsion putting in more hardcore/punk elements being influential. Napalm deaths demos show their roots. But On Side A of napalm deaths scum you'll notice more of the death metal. On side B youll notice more of the fastcore.
Now, elements of punk and metal mixing was the norm by this point. Even straight up fastcore bands have been metal influenced or inspired like Siege. The thing is thrash metal was also punk/hardcore/d-beat inspired. To be a true fusion genre there has to be more to it. Powerviolence is not a proper fusion genre despite metal influence, it is mostly just punk/hardcore. Just like death or thrash metal is not a proper fusion genre despite the punk influence. Grind on the other hand is inherently a fusion genre. This didn't stop bands from blurring the lines over time because genre is an abstraction anyway, bands just kinda do their thing with whatever influenced come out more strongly or whatever sounds they happen to be similar to or associate with.
@@diydylana3151 Really interesting thoughts! Thx
Not sure how old you are but I recall thrashcore as another term a lot of powerviolence bands got lumped under back when Charles Bronson and Nasum were active; but also that the boundaries between thrashcore and grindcore were ill-defined and that powerviolence was often applied to a lot of bands that were on the boundary. PV was usually more frantic, kinda like they were mixing in Mohinder and Angel Hair elements and less metal influences, but they weren't as intentionally arty as the bands with Spock haircuts.
Magrudergrind blurred the boundaries further when they started releasing stuff and nowadays there's all sorts bands that mix the more metallic elements with the more chaotic punky elements. Benumb stayed punky without becoming PV.
There's kind of a whole glut of '90s hardcore that isn't crust, isn't emo, isn't metalcore but combines heaviness and frantic chaotic vibes.
In Austria (or Europe, I guess) we used to call everything fastcore - no matter if it was emo, screamo, pv and so on. I did not know the term powerviolence until I heard Magruder. My metal friends did not like fastcore too much; Napalm Death was consent. haha
Thanks for input!
@@themeaningsoflivesasacat It's interesting how regional things used to be, and how that made local scenes less prone to embracing microgenres. A cluster of very different sounding bands might all just call themselves punk or hardcore. Now we'd be more likely to insist on placing them into different microgenres.
Thanks for the great content as always.
wow such a helpful video! you are my favorite music youtuber right now!
Thats a great little sample, you can see the difference quite easily in how these examples are played.
One nitpick, grind actually has hardcore/punk roots as well, coming from the anarcho punk/crust/d-beat sphere of the UK. Its also less that pv is on the punkish side, that makes it sound like a fusion genre when its mostly just hardcore. But as you indicate bands often overlapped and blurred lines as time went on.
Nice video. What tunning are you using in the guitar?
I love how the diversity of these genres come together eventually regarless of politics. Its powerful af. I love both genres. Good video CHEERS
I tend to.like the Super fast snack type parts that is mince.right? Regardless its all swell just particular type hits all the right spots
Check out Insuiciety, a sludge crust band from 00s
So what’s the title of the wormrot song?
Grindviolence
"We can already hear that Powerviolence is more on the punkish side while Grindcore stays closer to its Metal roots." - but Grindcore has no Metal roots. All influential proto Grindcore bands like Siege, Napalm Death, Extreme Noise Terror, Heresy and Electro Hippies started as fast Hardcore Punk bands. The Metal influence came a little later in the early nineties and most modern Grindcore bands are more Metal then Punk but in the beginning Grindcore was basically a Punk Genre. For me it seems that european Grindcore bands were the first who took more Metal into Grindcore. Napalm Deaths "Harmony Corruption" was basically a Death Metal album while US Grinedcore bands like Disrupt or Terrorizer sounded basically like Crust Punk with blast beats.
grindcore england
powerviolence california
I find the Pv to sound more
Grindy and the GC to sound more powerciolencey
good video
More powerviolence...