Fluid Mechanics: Centrifugal Pump Characteristics (21 of 34)
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- Note: At 44:52, the equation should be Q = V*A, not Q = V/A.
0:00:15 - Introduction to centrifugal pumps, measuring pump head
0:04:09 - Pump performance curves
0:16:18 - Net positive suction head (NPSH)
0:21:46 - Example: NPSH
0:25:30 - Pump selection using pump specific speed (Ns)
0:33:50 - Example: Centrifugal pump in a pipe network
0:56:15 - Comments on homework
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This lecture series was recorded live at Cal Poly Pomona during Spring 2018. The textbook is White "Fluid Mechanics (8th edition)."
Feel like this prof is more like a coach, you don't wanna let him down. I bet students work their tail off for him because he's engaged in the learning process.
Never let Prof. Biddle down... NEVER!
Excellent lecture, Dr. Biddle. My professor doesn't even try to explain and solve these problems. Thank you very much.
Thanks!
I am utterly amazed watching these videos...i am a 50 year old guy who was never good in math and science but have an overabundance of curiosity about how things work. I feel lucky to live in a time where i can look anything up on youtube and get some undestanding about how the physical world works around me. Also, i had no idea how involved pumps were...meaning the engineering behind the pump.
We feel lucky to live in a time where it is possible to leverage our efforts to help others well-beyond the classroom.
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Appreciated the clear explanations and real-world practical focus.
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All I can say is brilliant and thank you.
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Am over 2 years in pump industry as engineer. Splendid, crystal clear sir. Thank you.
What a great teacher! I am electrical engineer but just enjoy listening and understanding...
It´s such an amazing class, thank you so much for this video , I got a brief summary about centrifugal pumps which I learned through the university.
dear DR.
AT 45 MIN there is a little error Q=VA so V=Q/A SO it well be V=Q 4/ π D^2
thanks lot ...
He assumed D = 1
You're right.
If you try and do the math on minute 44:48, on the replacement of V, Q=AV, so you should have V=Q/A. Thus, V=4Q/(pi*D^2). V=4Q/pi with D=1.
Yup. We put that message in the comments.
should i square it like the v?
Very much interesting and informative lecture. Thank you Professor.
Great class, what's the professor's name?, he mentions 'his book' and I'd like to check it out....thanks CPPMechEngTutorials guys !
Best lecturer. Thanks
Great lecture, remembering when I was in university. Now I work in small business servicing pump, and this lecture is realy helpfull. Thanks Prof
We're glad it was helpful.
Thank you for your lacture.. I learnt a lot and but why the H vs Q curve by manufacturer is decreasing while system head curve is increasing..However, I know, at 0 flow, head will be maximum and if flow will increase, head will be go down because pressure will be reduced but please make me clear on what basis or data manufacturer plot H vs Q.
I left my class for this topic,but luckily i found this video,it's about 2 days bfr exam,,i watched it,,excellent lecture,,hope my final exam become good
my supervisor recommend this video i was in search of topic for research.
47:42, when Q=0, Hs=150. But how at increased flow rate Q=500, Hs is also increasing to 150.5? Because according to the curve at increased flow rate head decreases. Isn't it?
It was great👍 thank you so much, but I should say the teacher made a tiny mistake, at the end of the video he wrote Q=V/A, actually it is wrong and the correct formula is Q=A.V
Yup. That correction is already in the video notes.
Great lecture, Thanks Professor.
Actually V=Q/A (Cross sectional area of pipe)
Thank you very much sir... really appreciate it 🙏...
Hi teacher
I would like to thank you for your wonderful explanation
and I want to know why in the pump efficiency chart, when the height increases, the discharge decreases,please
Love this defining of all abbreviations .... thats unfotunately not standart any more...
I have been working for more than 10 years as rotating engineer in water treatment plant and offshore oil n gas industry where the pump require either ANSI or API 610 type. But for me, this uncle has produced one of the best explanation in youtube and easy to be understood by our normal people in the world
Thanks for some great videos! This is probably a shot in the dark, but could anyone help me reference to the book he is using. I’m in the middle of a thesis but I cant seem to find alot of good theoretical references on the subject.
Muchas gracias. Excelente explicación. I am an electrical engineer and these concepts are very useful for me. Thank you very much.
LEGEND Dr. Biddle
may i know which textbook you guys used? and where can i get the copy?
Would cavitation also occur if boiling coolant (car's cooling system) is flowing through the pump? Pump would be at the lowest point in the system. I'm really curious about this
v = Q/A and v= (4*Q)/(pi*D²) and use another formula ....
How to find his lectures about Turbine & compressor
When you run the pump at a constant speed, how do you increase the flowrate through the pump?
Open the flow control valve downstream from the pump.
Raise the fluid temperature to change viscosity, density? (Not practical but I'm an electronic guy working at a farm and my boss keeps trying to make me do things that are not correct. My solution, learn about fluid dynamics on my own, not to be right but to respect energy and knowledge). Thank you professor, much respect for your life's work, reminding me as always I am standing on the shoulders of giants
Change the impeller size as per manufacturers impeller data
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Awesome
this is great info, I'm studying for my next wastewater certification and notice a few differences. Total dynamic head and Head in general is always referd to as the verticle distance the water has to be pumed (measured in feet). But it sounds like head is just any force acting to restrict flow?
Also Cavitaion is described only happening at the impeller near the inlet or outlet and not in the pipe itself. this is due to the pressure difference across the impeller. the bubbles are formed by rapid pressure loss and on implotion they take part of the impeller with them and they sound like BBs in the pump.
again, great video. i enjoyed getting away from the text book for a bit.
Good job by teacher, though lecture stilted by the constant English/SI unit issue. Its sheer nonsense, in England we don't even use that nonsense in engineering contexts, we embrace the 'universal' SI system - though in everyday life we do often use these old units.
Hey it would be great if the handout was posted for this video.
What if pump delivers to two destinations
Hi.tanks for this class. one mistake in calculating ouccer is Q=AV
Yup. That error was corrected in the show notes.
Sir what will happen if pump is run at very low head than rated head... There will be low efficiency i know. What other practical problems will occur.
Thank you for the great video. I have a question about the effect of temperature on the characteristics curve of the pump.
How does the characteris curve of a centrifugal pump change with the decrease in temperature provided that the pump power is constant.
A reference material to read would of great help.
Thank you
I can tell you that increasing tempreture will increase the risque of cavitation; unfortunantlly i don't know really it's effect on HQ curve.
Thank you prof. what a simple straight forward outstanding explanation!..
Thanks!
Thanks for including time stamps in these videos!
No problem. We are starting to add time stamps to the lecture series to make it easier for viewers to find exactly what they need. Hopefully the timestamps will save people a lot of time and frustration.
Just to confirm that Axial flow Pump is also one of the types of the Centrifugal Pump, for Example of Between Bearing BB1 API 610 Centrifugal Pump
Thanks a lot Dr Biddle for sharing this is a really helpfull !
Glad it helped!
Thanks for your effort. One tip though, unlike the case in the pump sketch you showed, for centrifugal pumps and compressors, the suction side is always one standard size larger than the discharge size. This is to minimize losses and, consequently, reduce cavitation possibilities.
Thanks for the tip.
The equation provided to calculate delta z based on NPSH is for the case that the water level at the supply reservoir is below the water level at the demand reservoir. So, for the case which is shown in the video, the water level at the downstream reservoir should be lower than that the water level at point 1 and for this case: delta z (minimum water level difference between two reservoirs)= (Pa-Pv)/gamma - NPSH (for available pump) -HL (all head losses) as shown in the video. It is not surprising that if the difference in water levels reduced to values less than delta Z, cavitation is expected to take place. For the other case if the water level at the demand or downstream reservoir is greater than the water level at supply reservoir (most cases), delta Z (Max different in water levels)= NPSH (of the available pump)- (Pa-Pv)/gamma +HL (all head losses) and in this case if the water level at supply reservoir or the well is dropped to lower depth, than the difference in the water levels increased to values more than computed delta Z and we expect cavitation will take place in this situation.
Excelent explanation
Thanks
Very good vid
Which textbook does he use?
Thank you so much for the excellent lecture prof. I have one question: why the efficiency form on previous graph is different from those of pump performance map?
Yeahh, the same question crossed to my mind !!! Even I'm confused for it
Dear Prof! speaking about elevation of the pump above reservoir surface you said:
Well, as you get the pump higher and higher in the flow rate, that pressure is going to start drop.
I think that could be:
Well, as you get the pump higher and higher in the elevation, that pressure is going to start drop.
What do you think about that? Thank you very much.
how can we increase Q at constant V ? Area? I mean with velocity diagrams we can calculate everything then why we need graphs for?
Since Q = VA, we cannot increase Q at constant V (assuming the fluid is incompressible).
For centrifugal pumps and compressors, the suction side is always one standard size larger than the discharge size. So yes, area will be a factor.
This is very useful for engineering student thank you sir😍👍👍
Is NPSH used for the single purpose of determining the maximum elevation which the liquid can be raised?
No, because NPSH changes with the change of Q. The higher is the flow rate, the higher is the pressure drop at the suction side. Therefore it's rather used to get to know the maximum flow rate available.
Also the temperature plays the key role, since it influences the vapor pressure.
God bless you
Check me out but at 25:10 the 101kpa makes it 101,0000 Pa which is NPSH is 7.4 METERS then that makes sense with the whole equation to make the units workout.
But he wrote that vapor pressure is 1666 kPa and then out it in the equation as that value so there's a mistake on that one way or the other. Either it was incorrectly labeled with the kPa units initially or he should've left the Patm in 101 kPa form and converted later.
Can someone confirm?
Yeah exactly. Patm is 101 kPa and the Pv at 15C according to the steam tables is equal to 1.7 kPa.
@@dawidpietrucha5333 lol too long ago I can't tell if you're agreeing or disagreeing
He's agreeing....
nice but it is based on manufacturing data and ignoring design characteristics.. it is lack of full theory
Dr. Biddle, Good day to you. Which textbook are you using?
on NPSH example problem, Patm defined by value of 101000 kPa. Should it be valued 101 kPa if Pv also in kPa? CMIIW
Yes you're right. He denoted it with the coma. However the value of Pv at 15C according to my steam table is equal to 1,7 kPa.
@@dawidpietrucha5333 Same, from Table A.5 in the class textbook, interpolating you'd get 1.782 kPa for vapor pressure.
just loved the lecture, gorgeous explanation, for anyone wondering how is H vs Q is plotted it is drawn by EULERS MOMENTUM EQUATION
Your welcome
The professor writes Q=V/A at 44:52, shouldn't it be Q=V*A?
Whoops! Great catch. I will put this in the video notes.
@@CPPMechEngTutorials CAN WE GET VIDEO NOTES PLEASE ??????
By "video notes" I mean the comments just underneath the video.
Is there a theoretical derivation for the shape of a pump curve?
I guessed maybe a centrifugal pump imparts constant energy per unit mass to whatever fluid passes through it. Then you'd get E = constant (for any given fluid density) = P + (1/2)dv^2 (d is density), or h = E/(dg) - Q^2/(2gA^2). This has the shape of an upside down parabola (right basic shape), but when I try to compare it to real pump curves, the real curves turn downwards something on the order of 100 times faster than my theoretical model. Do you know why this might be? Am I making some unit conversion error, or is the whole thought process just wrong?
If the real pump curves turned down something like 10-50% faster than the theoretical one, I'd be happy, because I guess the pump doesn't conserve energy perfectly and it doesn't have the same efficiency at all operating ranges. But getting a result 10,000% different than the theory is unsatisfying.
Great explanation, thanks, what is the textbook used?
But what is the water horse power in Shark Power?
Thank you sir.. I like ur way
Imagine our Q=100gpm and the head is H=20ft.
Then it has one operation point. Now if wr increase the flow by opening new valve, the friction will increase. What is the new operation point, with the same pump curve???
Near 31st minute:
It seems, we put g instead of 9.81 [m/s^2] in the N's formula JUST TO MAKE THE FORMULA VALID ON THE MOON.
On the moon, g is small, the pump head H is big, hence g*H is the same as on earth.
Thank you very much
This professor is a legend, I wish I had him as teacher at University 😮
There can be only one Professor Biddle.
ΦΙΛΙΕ ΣΕ ΕΥΧΑΡΙΣΤΩ, ΔΕΣ ΠΩΣ ΚΑΝΟΥΝΕ ΜΑΘΗΜΑ ΣΕ ΠΑΡΑΚΑΛΩ. Do you know If I could find the document that was given to the students? Thank you
Where i can find the explaination of chapter 10 ?
Great lecture indeed but I'm confused where did the professor get 175 and 140ft to generate the pump head curve?
Hello,
could anyone tell me how pump curve is determined at a certain speed however the input power = ( torque x angular velocity).
so, to get more discharge we need more input power by increasing velocity
and then by applying the efficiency formula (output power / input power) we can draw an efficiency curve.
so, how this curve could be at a certain velocity?
It is crazy how I can watch those lessons for free. Thank you very much.
The world is a crazy place. :)
great tutorial for a EE....At 25.00 regarding NPSH, visually the water tank is below the pump, the Z is the height between the two. How would the analysis change, if the pump was below and the water tank was above? I would think the ABS | Patm -Pv | may be a more general solution to avoid an answer with a -Z value.
How can we calculate the flow rate of a split type centrifugal pump if we know the refrigerant flow rate through the chiller's evaporator?
Which Text book he is referring to?
do you have videos for closed loop system.
Some of the earlier videos in the lecture series involve the energy equation for pipes.
Hello Sir,
Can you drive the specific speed formoula?
How we have got the range for every type?
Thank you very much . Very helpful lecture videos.
please Sir If the inlet fluid is subcold ( at low temperature ) but the liquid is entering the pump at low pressure and the impeller will start swirling the liquid and create bubbles just as when you move your hand quickly on water surface you will create water bubbles though the inlet pressure is above the vapor pressure is that possible
Thank Prof for the great lectures!
may i know which textbook you guys used? and where can i get the copy?
I just want to know that shouldn't the peak of efficiency be below the horsepower curve?
Thank yu sir
I got an exam tomorrow. My prof sucks. You are great. Thank you
This video is great, a lot of good information presented in a clear manner. Thanks!
Our pleasure!
Great Teacher ,nice channel, improve my listening and English on engineering.
How do you arrive to the equation which include the term Hp?
I haven't enjoyed a lecture as i have enjoyed this one!👏🏾👏🏾
53:46 pep talk
made it is for student to understand centrifugal pump
That was our intention. :)
Good
I have a question,
If a centrifugal pump flow limit is from 60 LPM to 535 LPM at 3500 rpm, does the low flow limit of 60 LPM changes with running the pump at lower rpm? Does this limit changes goes down when we run the pump at lower rpm?
Surely changing the flow rate from 60 LPM to 535 LPM would mean a change of impeller, assuming constant rpm.
If you have a 60 LPM impeller, on a 3500 rpm motor, and you reduce the speed of the motor - the flow rate will reduce.
Got it sir
Thnx sir
Q = v*A and you use Q = v/A NO!!!!!
Man he looks so unprepared to me. Kinda a wacky professor.
Excellent lecture
love this subject 😊
We love it too!
Way too slow to get to the point! BUT amazed by his handwriting!
This is why RUclips invented 2x speed.