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- Опубликовано: 15 окт 2024
- I go over what I think is the most important aspect to controlling a helicopter.
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VR is the game changer on helis.... your situational awareness is so greatly increased.
Great stuff! Maybe you can upload a video showing your configuration controls, sensitivity and stuff. It would be great!
agree, i think that would help a lot
Tons of setup videos, silky, if you make one, go slowly through it for noobs!✅
Try the check list too. I had my throttle at one hundred percent so no wonder it was crazy everywhere. When I decreased it to about sixty it was wayyyy better. Flyable in fact! Dummy me. I should have done the checklist
Nice video! Now you need to teach them how to use the trim with this heli… you guys definitely gonna need it for longer flights. The MD500E it’s need be trimmed, otherwise you’ll end up fighting those controls pretty bad, and you’ll get tired 🥵
Nice to see more channels talking and flying helicopters 🚁 keep it up! 🫡
Tis in the works!
Yes, Rotor trim needs to be assigned as the normal trim used for fixed wing doesn’t work. But the tilting and crabbing this addon does at higher speeds isn’t realistic and there’s some lines in the flight model file that need changing to fix that along with a line to decrease the trim steps as that’s too high as it is as well. There’s a thread on the official MSFS forums that mention it.
Trim with this is tough to bind. It somehow took me 3 days of tweaking and changing things to get the trim to work somewhat the way I want it to, but once trimmed, its sooooo much more smooth!
I’m having a lot of trouble setting trim. For example if I set rotor trim to left like a super quick flick of the hat switch it keeps wanting to roll that way, or trying to trim the nose down it wants to keep rolling steeply forward. It’s like the trim is ludicrously over sensitive.
Great stuff! Now I just need to practice these concepts more!
Glad you liked it. Practice makes perfect-ish!
Very informative. The thing I struggle most with is taxiing precisely at an air- or heliport and then to put it down where I want. I haven't yet figured out the relations between the controls completely, for example I've noticed that when I rotate left it wants to go up, when I rotate right it wants to go down. Now adding collective inputs to counter the unintended raising or lowering depending on the side I also need to compensate the collective input with the rudder and then in addition compensate the tail rotor blowing me to a side with the cyclic. These 3 adjustments/compensations at once end up in kind of a bad feedback loop for me, making it worse and worse :D
Subscribed in hope for more of those videos
That is natural. A left pedal turn is a 'powered turn' because you are using power from the engine to turn the tail rotor to counteract the tourque from the main rotor. The throttle is governed so you don't have to manually adjust it under normal operation but the increase in power is applied to the main rotor as well, hence the inadvertent climb when pedal turning to the left. The opposite is true for right pedal turns. I'll work on a short video to detail this
@@silkystol thanks for the background information, knowing why things happen helps to understand and predict things and their relationships easier.
Excellent video. There are far too many MSFS helo videos posted by people who barely have a grasp of the basics. Took me a while to find this one! Great job! Also, what location are you flying at ?
Thank you for the info and tips. With all the available helicopters for MSFS (Freeware & payware), is there one you would recommend for beginners to start practice on? Cheers!
People having the same problem in DCS also. It does take coordination to fly a helicopter though and if you have none, it will really be hard for you. I have the Thrustmaster TPR pedals with a damper and no spring, so they stay where I put them. I actually have to push on the right pedal, lol. Great video Silky. Should come fly on DCS also.
awesome video. it would be nice to see a video from you where explain how to setup the controls, sensitivities etc. I feel like I can't get any precision out of my collective, I do a small adjustment and it adds too little or remove too much power. How do you do it?
Great video. The hardest thing I have a problem with is getting into forward flight and then stopping above where I want to land. I know practice practice practice. I just have a hard time with it
Same man! I’m having hard time especially during approaches, not able to reach my selected spot at right altitude or speed. I’m a commercial pilot on airplanes but helis are hard especially on simulator. I was watching snakpak videos and he keeps telling the same thing.
@@mountains_beaches98 yeah,it is very difficult to keep consistent airspeed when coming into land,cause you have to level out to lose speed which makes you get slow,then it's hard to keep the heli stable and control the decent. I practice but it's almost feeling impossible to get the hang of
"I can't fly sideways or backwards while in forward flight"
Yes...... you're definitely right here. Flying backwards while also flying forwards is definitely a very very difficult maneuver, only possible in heavily modified helicopters flown by highly skilled pilots :P
On a serious note, cool stuff, great video and explanations
Flight sim gear is essential as well to flying (or at least with all assists off) the helis. At the very least, joystick (with throttle or separate throttle) and rudder pedals are a must.
Couldn't agree more! I fly Thrustmaster pedals, stick and throttle, and TrackIR
Good video Silky! See you in the 500E soon ; )
Thank you! Indeed you will!
Great video. You might consider actually showing the controls so we can visualise what you're talking about?
Outstanding Video, an absolute Gem.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Hi, I just wanted to mention some feedback…….the sound of the helicopters engine noise was really drowning out your voice for me, mostly in the 2nd half of the video, I found it very distracting …… hope if you make any more of these videos you might be able to dampen the engine noise a tad…… thanks in advance..👍🏻
Good video. Great info. Turn down the in game volume when you are taking!! 😵💫
I know we have lots of videos out already on mapping/sentitivities but...we'd like to see what your assignments are. Good Idea?
An issue I’m having is that the collective isn’t as gradual as it would be in a real helicopter. The difference between too much and not enough is very narrow. You have any advice on adjusting that I would be grateful. I’m using a V1 flight stick.
Why isn't there a gyro to compensate for the main rotor torque?
Also, let's just call the pedals = rudder control.
How are you getting your sounds for the 500e? I'm using FSRealistic but I cant replicate the rotor sounds like you have in your video.
I demonstrated tail rotor drift to one of my fixed-wing buddies in the real machine. He was like “why are you not wings level in the hover?” and I did exactly what you did in this video to show him the right drift and he was like 😟😵💫😂 I love being the rotary dark horse 😈
Great set of videos. May I have permission to post a link to these videos on my Discord Channel?
Awesome thanks. But in my flight simulator as soon I stepped on my pedal either left or right it goes on a crazy spin I had tried all types of settings and I still can't get it to work right any advice
Its it just me or is there a lag in controls? I can rock my cyclic back and forth and see it doesn't match where my cyclic is on screen.
How did you disable the doors? I tried to set the weight of the doors to 0 but they were still there.
Sounds like you did the right thing. I change the door weight from 40lbs to 0 and they should be gone. Sometimes if you do w&b at the main menu before flying, it resets whenever you start the flight.
@@silkystol I think it also resets when changing arrival or departure airports which was probably the reason. I had to first plan the flight and then change the weight to make it work, the other way around it did not. Thanks!
Great vid thanks but I found it very difficult to hear what you were saying over the noise of the copter.
Are you having to use the mouse for throttle?
Mine is completely broken, when I start a flight in a helicopter it just immediately goes to 50% and does an uncommanded takeoff, and I can't do anything about it. I don't know if it's the hardware or the software.
V good. I'm hoping time in DCS World will help. I start flying MSFS today.
There's no substitute for practice! DCS is a great platform!
Flying it is easy to me. Its the setup on the joystick that plaques me! Sigh...I seen a video somewhere on YT, said what helps too is to set the actual trim tab in the cyclic in cockpit mode, put the top to -17.5 and the bottom tab to -24.5. I have not tried it myself yet but hope it works because mine flys like a drunk flying it! SILKY, whats your throttle set at?
Here is what I think is over looked in helicopter flight in the sim is in the joy stick. Nearly all computer joysticks have a spring which is constantly pushing the cyclic (stick) back to the center. This is completely counter to how a helicopter flies. To constantly fly against the spring is very tiring.
In fixed wing aircraft, you set our power, attitude and then trim (PAT) out the control forces. (Hence then spring in the joystick concept works for a fixed wing aircraft)
There are 2 prirmary controls in the helicopter...
1. Cyclic, this changes the lift created in a cycle as the rotor passes through the 360 degree arc
2. Collective, this changes the lift arround the entire arc of the rotor disc... (collectively change in lift about the disc)
Keep in mind, the pilot is in fact flying the rotor disc, as conditions change, then rotor disc is adjusted to correct for this. Helicotper pilots are typically positioning the cyclic into one position then making small corrections around that point. Take a stick (actual stick) and imagine it fixed to one point on the ground and you are in a chair. Keep your forearm on your thigh, now ease the stick left, right, forward or back; as you do so imagine that you are tilting the rotor disc in that direction. So realize the as you push the rotor disc off center, you create a vector pushing you in that direction, while the majority of the lift vector in pulling you off the ground. (High school physics vector diagram... one arrow up away from the rotor disc, a second arrow in the direction the rotor disc is tilted.
So here is my suggestion...
1. Disable the springs on your joystick (Once you try this, you will never go back to flying with springs on a joystick in the sim)
Hold you joystick at the center point as your flight loads in the sim.
2. Keep your forearm pinned to your thigh and position the joystick so you can do that, it creates a sort of reference point
3. Yes, very very small control inputs
4. Develop your scan, out on the horizon, down low, lateral, then out again (repeat)
5. High sensativity and no null zones on your controls.
Lastly, if you have not invested in Track IR, then do so. It is a must if you are going to fly a helicopter in the sim. Even multi-monitor set ups will not match what track IR can do.
I have about 2000 hours in helicopters and another 500 hours in fixed wing aircraft...
MSFS has done a great job in simulating helicopters
Fly safe and maintain Nr...
Well put and true. I have about 20 hours in helicopters irl and am commercially rated in airplanes. I took the spring out of my stick the day I got it. Track ir is an absolute must.
Thank you, this a was a clean and concise 101. Extremely helpful. subbed.
Glad it helped and thank you!
That is some beautiful flying with excellent instruction.
Lol. Sim flight easy. Did you see the real helicopter pilots comment 😆
From where is this fantastic Ground Wind-Effect? Is this in this Helicopter included?
Are you referring to the audio or the visual effect? The visual is included with the bird. The audio is a mixture of stock and FS Realistic.
Nice vid! Good info!
great video
Silky STOL i know about that every helicopter is dffernt re acthion impot's not all helicopter's are the same i know from my xp with them in fsx
the main thing i dont like about helicopters in MSFS is that they feel too arcadey. i mainly use x plane for my helicopter simming when im not flying IRL because it feels the most realistic. do you also feel like the default b407 handles like dogshit in msfs or is it just me? it feels all wonky. what im trying to get at here is this: does the cowansim md500 for MSFS handle more like the cowansim md500 from xplane? or is it more like the b407 from msfs? even the hype h145 just feels weird and rather clunky. id love to move to msfs for my helicopter simming but down to the physics alone, I just cant leave X Plane
The stock 407 feels very arcade-like, particularly when trying to descend. I've never flown the Cowan MD500E in XP12 but the MSFS one feels great to me. I also fly IRL and to me, the MD500E feels great. My main complaint is that thus far binding the throttle has not been possible due to a sim limitation. Supposedly, SU12 will fix that limitation.
@@silkystol the md500 doesn’t have autopilot right? I think I’ll just get the B206 for the autopilot as I do long flights pretty often. It’s got GTN750 integration too right?
Oh I see on the website it doesn’t have autopilot just yet. I’ll hold off for now
Correct, the 500 has no autopilot. It's definitely seat-of-the-pants flying
@@silkystol yeah I don’t have a problem flying hands on doing difficult maneuvers, but when it comes to flying in a straight line for miles and miles and miles, it gets fatiguing.
have you done a vid on controller settings?
wierd...this looks like a lot of work. Couldnt they make a system that counteracts this whole thing on its own and free up the pilots attention ? i guess with practise it becomes mussle memory... I assume that helis like the apachi have some kind of systems that keeps it stable automatically right? this is extremely usefull thank you!
Indeed, practice makes perfect. And yes, there are helicopters with more advanced systems that help counteract some or all of these occurrences, much like certain planes are more hands-on than others
That's called a H145 . Dream to fly
Really helpful video. TY.
are helicopters free to download?
the throttle is maxed out and it still won’t go up
Fantástic 👍
The helicopters in this game seem more realistic than the airplanes in msfs.
you need VR to fly helicopters in MSFS. there is no flying without it
seems to be a nice tutorial but background /heli sounds are too loud
I agree. I made an oopsie when recording. My next should be much better!
@@silkystol how to get de display overlay which shows the cyclic and rudder input?
@@unclealig It's part of Flow Pro by Parallel 42. It's called "controls visualizer"
Twist grip for lat control....gets under my skin.....grrr otherwise it seems second nature to this rotorhead
That demonstration you did in the begining by raising the collective without compensating with the cyclic could get very expensive really fast ;)
Luckily, we're not paying for repairs!
What stick are you using?
I'm using a Thrustmaster Warthog currently and I've removed the spring to make fine movements easier
@@silkystol seems like there’s a lot of jitter, what software are you using to show the inputs may I ask?
@@WhiteHawk77 I was using the built-in control visualizer in Parallel 42's Flow Pro
@@silkystol ah, ok cheers.
The Game is broken does not even let me look around or anything
Were you watching me kastnight???,, I was trying to perfect my joystick settings lasgnight.. anxiety, stress. I deketed 20 videos about mapping. I just flybon mouse defsult. Flying is easy to me. Setup is a killer, uhhhhhhg😮
Helicopters are much easier to fly with physical stick and pedals. I've tried with a keyboard and it's way much harder
I started on m&kb years ago. That lasted maybe a week..
I was just struggling this morning. Mostly with my crazy horse MD500E. I FINALLY... settled on a default mouse as my go to helicopter mode. Make a profile for helicoptet and it will show one slider, put it at around 50%. Safe that then use joystick after choosing mouse as controller. That is the only way I can fly reasonably smooth, the bucking bronco 500e!😂😅😮
Do you find any helicopter easier or harder to fly, payware or otherwise? My stick setup doesn't have rudder pedals (I twist the stick to do rudder work), been struggling with keeping a helicopter stable. Maybe I need to adjust the sensitivity settings.
Every helicopter has it's own character. The Hype H145 can be easier due to the systems it has in place to reduce pilot workload. I don't, however, recommend using those systems as a crutch. You can definitely make due with twisting for yaw control, definitely not ideal though. I started with twist for yaw years ago. As for sensitivity, your stick response in game should be very sensitivity. Such that you can fly with finger tip pressure for most of your flying. If you can, I also recommend removing the spring from your stick so that you're not fighting the resistance. Real life helicopters have no centering mechanism
i was wanting to watch the rest, but an advertisement showed up and this is where i stopped.