The Chinese gybe occurs at T18. The boat rounds up to wind and stops. At T25 pitman climbs up the rail and to check the MOB, gets a signal from the MOB who is happily swimming around fine. That's 21 seconds. A snaffle in the kite sheet at the winch prevents it from being released. Once that is clear, the boat rights itself immediately. At T39 the horseshoe is thrown. That's 21 seconds. Girl starts pointing at T38...30 seconds after MOB. MOB was recovered and boat finished the race. Mirs Bay Race is in Hong Kong during the summer. Water +30 degrees. No swell or waves. Inshore racing. Life jackets generally NOT worn in this area. Yes - close call for MOB. Yes, lots to learn from helm, but actually, not as bad as it looks! In fact I'd say not a bad recovery.
Any man overboard is a life threatening emergency! "MOB is happily swimming around fine", in what universe is that! The reaction of most people in a life threatening situation is denial. To suddenly find yourself in the water in heavy sailing gear while the boat is unable to return to you any time soon is NOT good! "It's OK, I am fine" they say, all the while denying the reality of their life threatening situation. Your's is the typical reaction of the inexperienced yachtsman, not accepting the very real danger of the situation that is developing. Also the reactions of the crew were NOT correct. The revovery was delayed by the incorrect release of both the sheet and the brace. One would have been enough. The correct recovery method here is to fire off the halyard! When I was teaching, coaching and racing, I drilled and practiced the various revovery tecniques so they became automatic. In one Australian championship race in 40 knots, I had a broach halfway through a gybe. The crew acted without instruction. two of them grabed the potential man overboard and the mast crewman released the halyard. The boat immediatly came back under control and I was able to gybe the boat, which put the potential MOB on the high side where he was easily brought back inboard. Crew traing for emergencies is essential for safe sailing!
Helmsman's fault. A big gust came from the forward port quarter, he started going with it turning starboard (safe choice with starboard tack) then changed his mind and turned hard to port, perhaps concerned about a possible collision with a boat in the forward starboard quarter. That was enough to flip the main into an uncontrolled gybe (not a chinese gybe).
Never turned to port, he broached it, whoever was supposed to be on the kicker & spinnaker weren't told by the helmsman to adjust, then at the last second, he slightly pulled left, sealing his fate.
What amazes me as an Australian Yachtmaster Instructor with 60 years experience, is that the first reaction to this problem is to let go of the spinnaker sheet and brace. Almost every one does this! The result is a flag, flying from the mast that is impossible to get down. The correct response is to hold the sheet and brace tight and let go the halyard! While ever the bace and sheet are tight, the spinnaker will not go into the water. The wind will blow underneath it and it will stay above the water (it may get wet). Then either sheet or brace can be used to pull it in! The skippers fault here was looking back when he should have been doing his job, which is STEERING THE BOAT! Tacticians look back, NOT helmsmen!
Yes. I too am amazed that not everyone has the same skills or knowledge as a ticketed yacht master with 60 year’s experience. Still, despite the hubris, that’s a good point about keeping the sheet and brace tight. You’re right, nobody does that. Good solution.
I think turn to starboard rather than trying to hold the course. You can see the helmsman fighting to keep the wheel from turning to starboard. I think he should have gone with it.
Correct, always steer under the spin when you’re running in a breeze. A preventer on the main will help the helmsman to recover from an inadvertent gibe. However, the most important issue when running dead down is for the helmsman to maintain his concentration and never steer by the lee. It helps to have a crewman always watching the windex at the mast head and calling out to the helmsman when she begins to sail by the lee. A simple call of “by the lee” is enough to alert the helmsman to fall off.
This could have ended very badly. The MOB almost gets crowned by the boom and is not wearing a life jacket. Then it takes over a minute before anyone eyes and points to the MOB. I know people find that life jackets aren't cool, but how about wearing helmets. It amazes me the unnecessary risks that a lot of boats take.
The wind did not Gybe that mainsail, it was "The Guy" who decided the mainsail sheet would be a good thing to hang on to. He totally pulled that sail over.
Looked to me like the helmsman panic turned port side to avoid that boat on the right when he should have gone for a broad or beam reach on the starboard side and went around. I’m a new sailor but that’s what it looked like to me.
The helmsman totally screwed up! Never, never look aft when you’re in danger of a death roll. And, put twingers on both the spin sheet and guy. But above all, maintain your concentration while steering.
Pulling the main in to oppose the chute overpowering would prevent this in most cases. I have a small mirror so i can see traffic as we arrive to a mark so i NEVER have to look back at a critical moment. Aft facing crew tells me about gusts on a scale feom 1 to 5 that we agree on before the race..its different for every occasion. Prevents most of this.
This could have been avoided if they had someone controlling the spinnaker sheet (port side, attached to the clew) rather than having it tied off. (Helm unties it at 0:25). There are 8 crew onboard - what are they all doing?! Poor resource management.
Could have been avoided if the driver kept driving. Obvious lack of attention at the wheel. Can't blame the crew for thinking the driver could drive in conditions that were not conducive to wiping out.
The origin of the expression came from the Chinese junk rig. The fully battened rig had a tendency for the top half to go to one side in a gybe or tack while the bottom half stayed on the same side. Very modern rigs as seen on say the Volvo 65s seem to have a tendency to do the same thing because of the full length batten at the top of the mainsail. I have heard following the commentary sometimes that a crew member has to go up the mast in very light airs and physically push the main over . When the expression came to be known quite widely because the races could be followed on You Tube there were accusations of racism ! Quite ridiculous. I don't see anything in this video which resembles a Chinese or Chinese gybe.
Well look the effing definition up if you dont believe me. Tell me what is 'chinese' about it. All that has happened here is a broach. You had better look that up too. Also sometimes called a crash gybe
1 : the Helmsman is not supposed to look backwards. Simply NOT HIS JOB 2 : ease the guy and the topping lift 3 : take care of yourself to avoid falling in the water 4 : and many other things that show how amateur that crew is...
Shit happens. But when it does, two simple things here: Main out, pole forward, sheet all the way out (figure-8 your sheet line so you don't lose the chute altogether). A preventer or at least a boom brake would've been helpful, but in the absence of that, once you broach you've lost all helm control and first priority is getting the boat flat. Knowing what's coming, keep yo' damn head down, let the main out, pole forward and sheet all the way out so the chute flags.
Looked like a broach when helmsman lost steerage then accident gibe. Someone should have released the spinnaker but not much could have been done about the main. When you’re sailing right on the edge like that it doesn’t take much.
The main was already twisting, a little more tension(power) to the kicker and the kite would have been fine most likely...Should have had his main trimmed better in the first place is my point. If the the power is more balanced between them, the odds of this one would have been way less...not to mention wtf, all those people and no crew?
The boat rides on a wave and the boat comes too far forward on the wave, then lifted the hedge. And the aftermath moves up the the rudder blade. So the rudder has no effect. There is too much speed on. The boat is built for a maximum speed which must not be exceeded. The right was to look at the speedometer and slack off in the spinnaker sheet when the boat is at maximum speed.
+Peter Ole Kvint This was a race...there was no waves. This is a gust front out of a severe tropical thunderstorm. From 12kts to say 35kts in one gust. Blue sky to downpour in a matter of seconds.
The guy who fell over is lucky he did not get hit in the head
Fortunately these guys were professionals and he was wearing his lifejacket ... errr ...
was just gonna write the exact same sentance! :D
Always always steer towards the masthead before the broach, keep the boat under the kite
The MOB's head had a very near miss with the boom! Good crew :)
The Chinese gybe occurs at T18. The boat rounds up to wind and stops. At T25 pitman climbs up the rail and to check the MOB, gets a signal from the MOB who is happily swimming around fine. That's 21 seconds. A snaffle in the kite sheet at the winch prevents it from being released. Once that is clear, the boat rights itself immediately. At T39 the horseshoe is thrown. That's 21 seconds. Girl starts pointing at T38...30 seconds after MOB. MOB was recovered and boat finished the race.
Mirs Bay Race is in Hong Kong during the summer. Water +30 degrees. No swell or waves. Inshore racing. Life jackets generally NOT worn in this area.
Yes - close call for MOB. Yes, lots to learn from helm, but actually, not as bad as it looks! In fact I'd say not a bad recovery.
Any man overboard is a life threatening emergency!
"MOB is happily swimming around fine", in what universe is that!
The reaction of most people in a life threatening situation is denial.
To suddenly find yourself in the water in heavy sailing gear while the boat is unable to return to you any time soon is NOT good!
"It's OK, I am fine" they say, all the while denying the reality of their life threatening situation.
Your's is the typical reaction of the inexperienced yachtsman, not accepting the very real danger of the situation that is developing.
Also the reactions of the crew were NOT correct.
The revovery was delayed by the incorrect release of both the sheet and the brace. One would have been enough.
The correct recovery method here is to fire off the halyard!
When I was teaching, coaching and racing, I drilled and practiced the various revovery tecniques so they became automatic.
In one Australian championship race in 40 knots, I had a broach halfway through a gybe.
The crew acted without instruction. two of them grabed the potential man overboard and the mast crewman released the halyard.
The boat immediatly came back under control and I was able to gybe the boat, which put the potential MOB on the high side where he was easily brought back inboard.
Crew traing for emergencies is essential for safe sailing!
Helmsman's fault. A big gust came from the forward port quarter, he started going with it turning starboard (safe choice with starboard tack) then changed his mind and turned hard to port, perhaps concerned about a possible collision with a boat in the forward starboard quarter. That was enough to flip the main into an uncontrolled gybe (not a chinese gybe).
No, main was sitting on his ass an not pumping to keep boat in control.
Never turned to port, he broached it, whoever was supposed to be on the kicker & spinnaker weren't told by the helmsman to adjust, then at the last second, he slightly pulled left, sealing his fate.
What amazes me as an Australian Yachtmaster Instructor with 60 years experience, is that the first reaction to this problem is to let go of the spinnaker sheet and brace.
Almost every one does this!
The result is a flag, flying from the mast that is impossible to get down.
The correct response is to hold the sheet and brace tight and let go the halyard!
While ever the bace and sheet are tight, the spinnaker will not go into the water.
The wind will blow underneath it and it will stay above the water (it may get wet).
Then either sheet or brace can be used to pull it in!
The skippers fault here was looking back when he should have been doing his job, which is STEERING THE BOAT!
Tacticians look back, NOT helmsmen!
Yes. I too am amazed that not everyone has the same skills or knowledge as a ticketed yacht master with 60 year’s experience.
Still, despite the hubris, that’s a good point about keeping the sheet and brace tight. You’re right, nobody does that. Good solution.
I think turn to starboard rather than trying to hold the course. You can see the helmsman fighting to keep the wheel from turning to starboard. I think he should have gone with it.
Correct, always steer under the spin when you’re running in a breeze. A preventer on the main will help the helmsman to recover from an inadvertent gibe. However, the most important issue when running dead down is for the helmsman to maintain his concentration and never steer by the lee. It helps to have a crewman always watching the windex at the mast head and calling out to the helmsman when she begins to sail by the lee. A simple call of “by the lee” is enough to alert the helmsman to fall off.
Thanks for sharing, we can only learn from it! Hope all got away with some just some extra adrenaline rush or maybe a wet bum.
I can see several different reason why they should be wearing life jackets. I'm glad no one was injured.
Glad you said that No Jackets
This could have ended very badly. The MOB almost gets crowned by the boom and is not wearing a life jacket. Then it takes over a minute before anyone eyes and points to the MOB. I know people find that life jackets aren't cool, but how about wearing helmets. It amazes me the unnecessary risks that a lot of boats take.
man overboard at 0:13
live preserver on-the-way at 0:38
not really any need to exaggerate on this one they dun goofed regardless
The wind did not Gybe that mainsail, it was "The Guy" who decided the mainsail sheet would be a good thing to hang on to. He totally pulled that sail over.
Yeah- no.
Yes, because that guy is heavy as an elephant. The low load on the main sheet is the reason why you use a winsch to haul it.
@@db4204 Most underrated comment here ^^
Looked to me like the helmsman panic turned port side to avoid that boat on the right when he should have gone for a broad or beam reach on the starboard side and went around. I’m a new sailor but that’s what it looked like to me.
The helmsman totally screwed up! Never, never look aft when you’re in danger of a death roll. And, put twingers on both the spin sheet and guy. But above all, maintain your concentration while steering.
Pulling the main in to oppose the chute overpowering would prevent this in most cases. I have a small mirror so i can see traffic as we arrive to a mark so i NEVER have to look back at a critical moment. Aft facing crew tells me about gusts on a scale feom 1 to 5 that we agree on before the race..its different for every occasion. Prevents most of this.
Standing before the boom is a big MISTAKE. Who told him to do that. Skipper seemed clueless, some of the crew seemed very inexperienced.
This could have been avoided if they had someone controlling the spinnaker sheet (port side, attached to the clew) rather than having it tied off. (Helm unties it at 0:25). There are 8 crew onboard - what are they all doing?! Poor resource management.
+Guy Mason Guy with the white hat in front of main trimmer was trimming the spinnaker! Duh? Whoever ties off a kite sheet?
Guy on the water almost got clocked with the boom.
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Could have been avoided if the driver kept driving. Obvious lack of attention at the wheel. Can't blame the crew for thinking the driver could drive in conditions that were not conducive to wiping out.
Ah the gybe is named based on the location where it happened?
That was close to his head
I thought a Chinese gybe was when the sail gybed across both sides of the mast, top one way, bottom the other and a skyward boom to boot. ymmv
Yes this is an ordinary gybe
bill bogg no, that's a full on chinese.
The origin of the expression came from the Chinese junk rig. The fully battened rig had a tendency for the top half to go to one side in a gybe or tack while the bottom half stayed on the same side.
Very modern rigs as seen on say the Volvo 65s seem to have a tendency to do the same thing because of the full length batten at the top of the mainsail. I have heard following the commentary sometimes that a crew member has to go up the mast in very light airs and physically push the main over .
When the expression came to be known quite widely because the races could be followed on You Tube there were accusations of racism ! Quite ridiculous.
I don't see anything in this video which resembles a Chinese or Chinese gybe.
@@tincoffin havent done a lot of sailing have you?? Just a theory guy huh.
Well look the effing definition up if you dont believe me. Tell me what is 'chinese' about it. All that has happened here is a broach. You had better look that up too. Also sometimes called a crash gybe
That looks like a J109? Very quick..very scary..very dangerous. Shows the importance of having experienced crew.
Shows the importance of a good helmsman
1 : the Helmsman is not supposed to look backwards. Simply NOT HIS JOB
2 : ease the guy and the topping lift
3 : take care of yourself to avoid falling in the water
4 : and many other things that show how amateur that crew is...
Edouard Winckler Of Course they are amateur. Its an amateur boat race! SHeesh
How does easing the topping lift help?
The girl in the red shorts did the right thing for a “man overboard”.
Shit happens. But when it does, two simple things here: Main out, pole forward, sheet all the way out (figure-8 your sheet line so you don't lose the chute altogether). A preventer or at least a boom brake would've been helpful, but in the absence of that, once you broach you've lost all helm control and first priority is getting the boat flat. Knowing what's coming, keep yo' damn head down, let the main out, pole forward and sheet all the way out so the chute flags.
@@seccat
Drops the pole down and flattens the spin so she won’t rotate
Looked like a broach when helmsman lost steerage then accident gibe. Someone should have released the spinnaker but not much could have been done about the main. When you’re sailing right on the edge like that it doesn’t take much.
The main was already twisting, a little more tension(power) to the kicker and the kite would have been fine most likely...Should have had his main trimmed better in the first place is my point. If the the power is more balanced between them, the odds of this one would have been way less...not to mention wtf, all those people and no crew?
Distracted driver!
Hey bob, no more driving
If in doubt, let it out.
"chinese corona!"
What may the crew had done to avoid this?
Skipper should have turned the boat to starboard at about 50 degrees.
Anyone hear man overboard?
The boat rides on a wave and the boat comes too far forward on the wave, then lifted the hedge. And the aftermath moves up the the rudder blade. So the rudder has no effect. There is too much speed on. The boat is built for a maximum speed which must not be exceeded.
The right was to look at the speedometer and slack off in the spinnaker sheet when the boat is at maximum speed.
Looks like they were racing.
+Peter Ole Kvint This was a race...there was no waves. This is a gust front out of a severe tropical thunderstorm. From 12kts to say 35kts in one gust. Blue sky to downpour in a matter of seconds.
+Cliff Charpentier Correct.
Dont look back
Easily avoided. Terrible driving.
Crash gybe not chinese
Crash gybe. Chinese has to of sail one side bottom of sail other
Virtually impossible on modern rigs
It isnt.
ce barreur devrait changer de sport
Not wearing any kind of PFD!!
Really, how un professional.
Danger team here.
Too macho???