Chinese Gybe, Farr 40 style
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2015
- When the wind is fresh and the boat is loaded, keeping the kite over the keel can be lost in an instant. You can follow along this video as the crew enjoys the thrill of a good boat on a good day, or you can scroll forward to the moment of impact. At 3:25 minutes in the video, it’s suggested to get the kite down. Moments later, it proves to be a good suggestion.
"I took this video," acknowledged Morgan Miller. "Yes, it was a crazy experience. This was during the 2015 windjammer which is a race from San Francisco to Santa Cruz. There was a puff and the sheet got eased, and then all hell broke loose."
There are a lot of people bashing the helmsman saying he was distracted and lost control. But there isn't much the helm can do when the trimmer drops a meter of sheet causing the spinnaker to rotate around the front of the boat inducing so much heel that the rudder starts to poke out of the water. As soon the boat became uncontrollable, vang and sheet needed to come on and the pole needed to go forward. This was caused by the trimmers not the helm.
Not an unusual occurrence.
Not a chinese gybe either.
One of the things that they could have done better was have more of the crew weight back, the guy that usually probably sits on the boom could be at the transom. More rudder in the water, and the bow further out promoting easier surfing.
Also crew need to be working on spinny sheet but also main vang and possibly lazy guy as well which helps stabilize the boat.
On the boats I sail on there are usually a few shouts of fire in the hole when we are on the edge, all good fun as long as no-one gets hurt and the owners pocket doesn't get hit too hard!!
Great piece of footage and in all honty the crew weren't doing too much wrong!
Yeah....that’s not what happened
Everyone does it. Great recovery. Sorry about your pole.
Except for the jerk filming that won't put the camera down and help!
I have been through at least 30 Chinese gybe and the reason they happen is not normally a helmsman issue but because someone eased the spinnaker sheet. This exactly what happened one second before this gybe. I raced on Frees 43 named di-hard and she was the most unforgiving yacht on the planet.
maybe the barber hauller could be fully furled and the halyard slackened by 10 cm ?
This video helped me understand what happened on sv platino. A 100 times heavier boom swinging in front of the helm back and forth.
Haha wow I took this video! Ya crazy experience. Happend during the 2015 windjammer which is a race from San Francisco to Santa Cruz. Ya there was a puff and the sheet got eased and all hell broke loose. Right before that we hit 18 knots, which on a Farr 40 is pretty insane! Super fun time.
I hope you bought the owner a new pole, because you caused this mess by talking out of place. guessing you were not reg. crew. cool vid anyway
trevor woods you are wrong, the crew that eased the sheet caused the issue when they should have been pulling the sheet on to flatten and depower the kite. at the same time the pole should have gone forward to reduce windward heel and the kicker should have come on too to power up the main and balance out the boat
This is why you have a guy on the vang
been there done that on a S80 back from Bunbury to cape Naturalise Western Australia at night made for an interesting time
When start swinging from windward to leeward have to depower the kite flattening out behind the main sail and tighten the kicker to give the main more power to counter balance. YES, the crew too relaxed knowing that a chinese gybe may happend.
Respect, been there done that. Once the rudder control is gone you don’t stand a chance. It’s about practice, practice and more practice. Thanks for sharing.
I didn't think you would have the time for sailing. With all your football duties and such.
@@brinjoness3386 oh, yes indeed my name is Henrik Larsson and I’m from Helsingborg. However a common name. I actually where in the grade above him in high school and played with him a few times at school. He was outstanding!!!
@@henriklarsson7835 Nice 1 man. I should imagine he is treated as royalty in half of Glasgow. In Wales my name is very common, i live in Australia now so only my surname is common. Sorry for making a joke you are probably sick of. Take care and keep your sails full.
@@brinjoness3386 I’m living in Singapore so I actually enjoy the jokes. Still get comments from old taxi drivers. In Singapore you order the taxi through an app and they get so disappointed when they see me. Great start on a conversation though.
Keep on sailing - very little winds here in Singapore though
@@henriklarsson7835 Im in perth, next stop Antarctica, sea breeze arives at lunch. Normally. No shipping lane interference and no Malacca strait currents. Come for a sail anytime. And i will remember to order taxis under the name lionel messi in Singapore
nice video - anyone who has sailed regularly knows that feeling. I was surprised how quickly the rudder stalled after the boat heeled to windward - the helmsman seemed to have the wheel well over with little response. I wonder if twin rudders would be better? After the gybe I wonder if the boom vang could have been released faster? I know its easy watching this from the comfort of a chair>>>> Thanks for posting
Agree completely, but I was referring to recovery after the gybe
Not everyone! Been racing all my like and have "yet" to do a Chinese jibe. Roundup yes!
Having too much fun!
So now the kites down, what's the next move? Jibe the main, sort out any damage, chuck the heady up and pole it out. Once confidence has returned in the crew and owner throw up the 1.5oz kite and hang on for a while longer. Concentration levels usually stay fairly high after a chinese and maybe sail a degree or two higher on course.
ah maybe don't distract the helmsmen, that bloke could steer my boat anyday
this was easily prevented. Too many of the crew are too relaxed and too far forward and seemingly without a task ...all crew should be alert and a member each on Vang, both spin sheets and main sheet and a tactician should be instructing trim to the whole crew and allow the helmsman to concentrate on driving the boat. The guy on helm looked to be doing a good job. The crew member on the cabin top should not be facing aft, but be in the pit. Put him on vang, halyards and topping lift. At these speeds, every crew member must be concentrating on their task(s). The driver should ONLY drive and a tactician should be giving instructions.
Farr 40s are designed to be bow out downwind. Seems to me with so much of the crew weight midships to forward that this gybe may have caused by the bow getting stuck on the back of a wave and the boat getting bow-steered into the gybe
Even for a racer, is it normal to let the main go that far onto the stays? Had the main been less loose, the gybe would have been less exciting. But the most important thing is that they were going 15+ knots down wind, and still had 15+ knots of wind in the sails. This means when they stopped, the apparent wind increased from 15+ to 30+. With so much wind, a preventer seems smart. It is great fun to power downwind in lots of wind, but it is riding a tiger.
"check stays", no one hane time to swap them.
Going så fast.. looks like you dit it for a joke... the speed and controle.. and then just 😂
What is the english expression for Bullenstander?
Wow. Everyone jus look so calm and just did what was needed. Awesome.
A Chinese gybe on a sailing vessel is a type of gybe where the upper section of the main sail moves cross the boat, filling from the opposite side, whilst the lower section and boom remain on the original side of the vessel.
was the mast salvageable ?
We should probably get this kite down 😜
WOW..why is the chinese gybe happening? In what condition does it happen?? and what should be done in that condition?:))
pull on kicker or let the pole go forward. The main needed to be powered up
Little knockdown. Several a4 deer in headlights, the only time they respond is to some yelling. Going out the backdoor is never fun, but always rewards good seamanship.
Would a preventer have prevented this Chinese gybe??
Problems I see as a novice sailor, is the question of no preventer, even if it is a race at these speeds there should be a preventer. that leaves me to believe that the amount of experience on board has lead to an attitude of complacency. Another problem area I see, especially during such a violent uncontrolled gybe is the helm, although I like the design of the wheel and it looks awesomely cool the fact is the spokes are wide enough for a crewman to fall into, especially in a crash incident like the one shown in the video, the forces could affectively hurt someone and entrap the boat even more. Then I also see the main sail cutting into the stays, and even though it is racing, this in my novice option automatically bringing the yacht to the very edge of it's reach leaving very little leeway for any mistake at all.
What could have been done better? Obviously looking in after the fact, like watching a field game from the side lines.....but as a novice sailor what are the definite mistakes that could be improved on.
When everything was going well, the sailing in the video looked great, the speed was phenomenal and the helmsman appeared to have it all under control.
My question is, if the crew was more active and in tune, and the helmsman directing more vocally, if the preventer was on, and the main sail trimed off the stays would the have been slower or faster?
a preventer would not be usefull to prevent this and the main sail is ok for a race il you take that le boat wild be less stable. the crew is foo far ... 3 of them should be sitting behind on top of the rudder . one for the spinaker and second to realise the low hale (excuse my english) it's enought
lots of funny comments... speak to empower your skipper not have them doubting/questioning
Why did this happen?
hi this happened because the boat was heading down wind to much and had an accidental gybe. but they had the spinnaker up so the spin wasn't gybed yet so it presumably got tangled in the guy's and maybe the forestay. Hope this helps!!!!
I like Chinese food
I wish youi would have not used a fish eye and showed more of the boat i cant figure out what kind of boat that is. but thanks anyway .
Max Stevens its a farr 40
of course you never get a wind shift.
I guess it’s wrong I find this funny.
for this kind of experiment the boom needs to be secured towards the bow. That got lucky, nobody got hit when the boom came over.
I wouldn't call it an experiment, more of like a sailing tactic, although gybing is way easier on lasers and other small boats, bigger boats should take more precautions whilst gybing
anthony walton I don't think it was the waves if anything it had to be the wind
Curse the internet comments sections: giving twits a global stage to squawk on for far too long (yes, I'm absolutely aware the irony of this post).
Crew too relaxed, failure to anticipate (except for the one guy who says "we should probably get this kite down" 10 seconds before), especially when hitting 18 knots.
+Sologistics 18 knots isn't all that crazy. Unless you are very inexperienced.
@@BOHICA_ what did u do 18 knots in?
@@dougo1178 I was being sarcastic.
I think the most i've done is about 14.5 knots.
Gotta love how someone always has to push the boat too deep and by the lee. And the "we should get the kite down" pest distracted the helmsman making him look over his shoulder.... and that's all it takes.... one second of distraction! Pole forward and up a few degrees guys! You would never survive sailing in Hawaii! Kite down why? Calm seas! Minor winds! Try the Molokai Express in the Lahaina Return Race sometime!
yeah😂 at that point/direction of wind the boat is very easy to get very unstable
@@felixmaksimow9534 Yep! And I tell ya, if the guy filming and bickering about getting the kite down was on my boat, he would never be on my boat again. Why you may ask? One: My boat... don't start telling me what to do. Second: Put the fucking camera down and help you jackass!
@@felixmaksimow9534 Here we are on the north shore of the island of Molokai! And no! That kite in my video will not be taken down. Separates men from boys!
outboardmotorservicekailua.com/videos/
25k+ plus steady winds where they were that day.... gusting to 30k+ and the seas were not "calm".
@@gregnelsen133 My video: 30+ knots wind with gusts being chased by a hurricane that caused the race to be moved up one day. You can plainly see the seas were much more turbulent. Conditions: 15-20 ft seas, Sonoma 30 averaging 18-22 knots non stop surfing. North Shore Molokai racing from Maui to Oahu. Much harsher conditions then the video above with a much more tender boat. Its called "men" with knowledge and skill vs. whatever that could be considered lol. Click my link. outboardmotorservicekailua.com/videos/. And by the way.... that is "lake sailing" conditions in the video compared normal conditions. The seas are practically flat with very few white caps. 25+ knot winds my ass! I know better having grown up racing out here. And I have skippered a Farr 40 down that coast busting 24 knots hull speed in 18-20 knots of wind.
where was the preventer? These guys are Sunday sailors
race boat bro
The preventer does not stop from going down but from cutting some heads off. First ease the kite behind the main and adjust the kicker to flatten out main sheet to counterbalance. all at once. They were not prepared that´s all.
Very much a racing scene. On a cruiser, I never fly a spinnaker. Never. It is an unforgiving shipwrecker.
fast!
I do not agree. A spinnaker can greatly increase downwind boat speed in light airs. Just don't fly it in strong winds. My jib becomes almost useless when going downwind., so the spinnaker is a useful additional sail.
That would be a lot more unlikely on a Trimaran
You've all got it wrong ! It's obvious they should have reefed the bilge rat and barnacled the jib spinner. Duh.
Helmsman looses it when he looks back (3:31)
+Broeckhoest What did the helmsman loosen? His belt?
Con 72 is right, trimmer was slack on the lee sheet, but hey, that driver does not look relaxed and I reckon that after looking back to check if he still was being filmed he was, maybe for a moment, slighty off balance and disorientated. Anyway, he is the guy in charge and should have shouted that trimmer. So, wat he lost was his dignity after having lost both his feel and his trimmer
des amateurs du dimanche ....
If I had a penny for everytime a helmsman got distracted just before losing it! 😲
Yep... fire the "we should get the kite down.... we should get the kite down" distracting pest!
@@patrickhascall7401 Hold my beer....
helmsman stuffed it turning to windward, simple as that.
helmsman pulled boat to starboard - simple as that - he needed to keep pressure on holding to port side ! It aint rocket science.
noobs
How is that a Chinese gybe and not just a crash gybe cause by the helm loosing concentration and not reacting far or fast enough. Isn't a Chinese gybe caused by the rolling of the boat caused by the waves perhaps. That is an expensive sail being damages by the spreaders, you got lost of money? Finally, where is the preventer to stop the boom swinging across and killing someone.
Yep, and they had the luck the boom crashed into the water that prevented further damage. That would have been another result if the boom reached it's mechanical stop after flying like that.
Don't waste your time watching stupid sunday sailors: Jump to 3'30" directly to see how "stupidity killed the cat" !
That's racist!