The same I thought! Absolutely unbelievable: four people for pass the line to bow, (with the result to get it stuck...), and when finally did, instead to pull it well they remains to see it, until the other genius left the stern line. Top of the tops!😄😄😄
It was pretty good in the beginning coming in almost straight to the dock in that breeze. Getting the starboard aft line onboard. Picking up the bow line getting it forward. Lots of space to the next yacht. Then it just all slipped downhill from a good position. Skipper must have lost the cool for a while. It happens.. Anyway another lesson for everyone involved and thank you for putting the video up, will surely be used in classrooms about manouvering. The yacht looks great and in excellent condition! Ah, I miss Nelson’s dockyard. Much has changed since late eighties and beginning nineties when I was there :)
Yes, a lot of small errors which add up at the end. The movement of the boat and the lack of prop wash in the water suggest that the skipper most of time didn't engage the fwd gear. Not sure why, I don't see any line that could foul the prop. Releasing the stb stern line was at the end the only solution. At least from what I see on the video. When they finally had the line at the bow, the bow was far away from where it should be, the ground line was too short for this position and they cannot tie up the line on the clamp at the bow anymore. In this position (and wind from the side), without a massively oversized engine, you cannot turn the boat to the wind anymore. The only solution is to quickly release all lines. Which was not quite easy because the pilot line was already under tension.
Exactly.... I was like......HUH? Just put a few strong men at the bow and take that mooring line in bit by bit.... They would have been docked pretty good.
Almost 1min to bring the line from stern to the bow on a 65 footer is a new record ;) Not quite sure, there was no (indirect) damage on the other boat. At the end the anchor chain / mooring line of the other boat was pretty slack. It might have later hit the dock because of this.
Port bow thruster? Would not the starboard thruster have pushed the stern away from the other sailboat? Coming from a guy with a 23' Beneteau that I can dock single-handed. I would not want to try to pull off a stern docking with a vessel this size. No negative comments from me as I would have screwed it up too.
I've done that maneuver at that very same spot, winds and all. It's not as easy as it looks;-) however with a good crew, an anchor that held the bow to windward, and a dockhand, it worked out for our Valiant 37. Rum never tasted so good.
Looks like at least 20 kts crosswind so not easy. Approach was good but maybe a bit more upwind would have been better. Crew was slow to tension and make off the windward stern line allowing the boat to drift sideways and reducing the option to power forward onto that line to offset the wind on the bow. Then the lazy line handler was too slow with the line to the bow and the boat was left suspended with all that tension on both lines so they couldn't be sweated in. Skipper decided to abort but apparently the "lazy" line had too much tension to release (maybe he was unaware). Releasing the stern lines first was a mistake as then there was no way to control the boat. Looked like a breakdown in communication from skipper to crew and lack of a Plan B. It's easy to criticise from a comfy armchair though....
Very nice drone shots!! The approach of the dock looked fine. But from that point it went progressively worse.... Apparently they do not get any support on the dock. And they are not sheltered by neighboring boats, OK. But what is going on with the crew on that boat!!?? It looks like the crew is willing to cooperate. But at the same time, it does not seem clear to the crew which line is the most important one to secure the boat. Apparently the skipper did not assign tasks to the crew members. Get the starboard stern shoreline tight and firmly fixed on the starboard stern cleat. This allows the skipper to power into that shoreline to prevent the bow getting blown to leeward. They would have been in a controlled and safe position to set the mooring line at the bow. On top of that, they cast off the most important shoreline. I'm so lucky the boat on leeward is not mine.... 😅😅
I'm a skipper and I had exactly the same situation. In the evening in Silverdale Pugetsound, when I got on the pier, there was a very strong wind, but I made a starboard side to the pier. And everything went fine, they tied the ropes, but why the hell did the ropes come off or did they come undone, what kind of knots were there?
I would prefer if you provide the link to my video and use the original footage. I hope you understand my position here. I'm working really hard on the footage for this channel.
This means you've seen so little. Crawl more on youtube, believe me: I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion..... etc etc 😄😄
Most less experienced crew have no sense of urgency. The captain needs to ensure that crew have specific instruction. For some reason most crew and many dockhand will sit there with a dock line in hand and not tie it off..
j'ai jamais compris cette maladie qui consiste à être obligé de balancer une ancre a l'avant du bateau pour le maintenir dans l'axe dans un port. C'est peu pratique et en plus ça piège les autres bateaux qui se prennent la quille dedans.
Sailboat was already tided up with mooring line and stern line. As you said they have unlimited time to fix mid spring on starboard side, use engine and winch and slowly move sailboat to wanted position
The helmsman was frozen is my guess. Why he did not use the bow thruster to help the poor guy trying to handle the slime-line on the stbd bow by himself is baffling. Clearly too, the stbd stern line was never properly cleated off. Tough conditions, but lots of bad decisions.
Do you really think this classic vessel has a blow thruster? And, do you really think a bow thruster may help you against approx 20-25kn wind from StB? That's a joke, isn't it? 😂 I really want to know why they drop the stb-stern-line, before they release the bow-mooring-line, make no sence🤔 Btw. I would prepare a aft-spring from the middle cleat before docking. With main-engine forward you can hold your position at the dock, against the wind. At the end, this is really a perfect example for "Murphy's law"! Thank you for the footage. 👍 Cheers
@@ushi120 that boat absolutely has a bow thruster, and quite a powerful one too, if the wash from it is any indication. Watch the video carefully. It was just not used when needed.
You are absolutely right. At 3:30 during docking and 6:20 after hitting the other vessel, I could see a lot of propwash at the bow, on port side.👍 That means the skipper used the bow thruster for sure, but without any success. Perhaps the aft-middle-spring would have been a better solution. Regards from Germany Cheers
Looks like they need more lessons in team line handling! A lot of slow moving.....fumbling lines ...standing around ....looking at each other ....that midship spring line should have been deployed in that wind while pulling up the aft stern slack asap!
Well I don't know about that, but why helmsman was just sitting around while they were scraping along the other boat I don't understand. I am a skipper, he had the engine running, he could have got free of the other boat ant any moment . So the skipper's best was pretty poor. So many mistakes in this it's hard to count!
I think it's a Swan 65's designed by Sparkman & Stephens, I have had the opportunity to sail a few times on a boat like that.Good and poor sailors can only desire those ships but God rewards them by seeing situations like this.Very good boat and very very bad crew. These boats need expert hands.
That was crazy bad. Perhaps too many crew so lots were ‘loafing’ and expecting someone else to do it. Clearly not a well drilled crew. No one seemed to move with any urgency or purpose.
Au début, la manœuvre était impeccable, anticipation sur l'a dérive, prise de mouillage avant. Il ne restait plus qu'à régler les amarres. Après, ça part en cacahuète, on ne sait pas pourquoi. Peut être, ont ils décidé de ne pas rester à cause du vent de travers.
This video is soo much BS! The boat is a Swan 65 and it has a fin keel a very nice ocean crosser! A couple of Swan 65s have taken part of Whitbread around the world race, it's an excellent blue water cruiser/racer. And if you don't know this boat type you are not a sailor! :)
Dit zijn amateurs. De stuurman zeker. De matrozen blijven eerst staan afwachten. Ik zie dat er ook nog een boegschroef is! Man man man, de beste stuurlui staan aan wal, maar in dit geval niet. Hier zitten ze op een prachtig schip. Het is onmogelijk een professionele club. Maar het blijft een mooie film.
Seitenwind beachten und achtern die Luv Leine fixieren und einkuppeln. Mooring Leine aufnehmen und Luvseitig an der Klampe belegen. Bei soviel Mann ist das doch kein Problem .
Wenn die Mannschaft im Schnitt über 60 ist und die Ruhe weg hat, dann wird es in solchen Fällen eben doch zum Problem. Sieht man doch. 😂 Auf die Details achten! Der gute Mann am Bug wollte anscheinend in aller Ruhe die Mooring-Leine durch die Klüse führen bevor er die Leine auf der Klampe belegt. Sobald der Bug vertreibt ist das aber keine gute Idee mehr, da gilt " quick and dirty" Bug sichern.😂😂😂
I see the following reasons for the desaster: 1.)wrong place. Round the corner of the same dock they could have docked AGAINST the wind. 2.)why not asking for help from the Marina with a man ashore and with a dinghi BEFORE docking? 3.) lack of crew effiency. Many men but much too lazy. The important starbord- sternline wasn't fixed immediatly so the skipper couldn't steam into to hold the boat against the fresh wind from starboard. The men, or better 2 or 3, to fix the mooring- line at the bow were much to slow and inefficient in order to fix the bow immediatly. 3.) a long springline on starboard preparated in advance from the clamp in the middle of the boat to shore and leading to a winch could have solved the problem before things detoriated. 4.) during docking at the beginning there was no sign of bow- thruster involment on portside. have
Ich denke auch: Luv-Achterleine an Sb schnell belegen und Schub nach vorne! Auch wenn der Seitenwind stark ist, sollte das erstmal das Schiff stabilisieren. Und die Mooring am Bug wird zu langsam bzw. gar nicht fixiert. Warum die Luv-Achterleine dann los geworfen wird, statt zu belegen, bleibt wohl ein Rätsel...
"Listen up crew, there's only one other boat on that otherwise empty quay. That's our target."
Harsh! 😅
LMAO
Yes Sir 🫡
why did he cast that stern line off?
must have been annoying having a drone buzzing over you....ha ha!
4:26 is amazing...throwing away the line that was already fixed on land and could've saved them 🤣
The same I thought! Absolutely unbelievable: four people for pass the line to bow, (with the result to get it stuck...), and when finally did, instead to pull it well they remains to see it, until the other genius left the stern line. Top of the tops!😄😄😄
It was pretty good in the beginning coming in almost straight to the dock in that breeze. Getting the starboard aft line onboard. Picking up the bow line getting it forward. Lots of space to the next yacht. Then it just all slipped downhill from a good position. Skipper must have lost the cool for a while. It happens.. Anyway another lesson for everyone involved and thank you for putting the video up, will surely be used in classrooms about manouvering. The yacht looks great and in excellent condition! Ah, I miss Nelson’s dockyard. Much has changed since late eighties and beginning nineties when I was there :)
Ouch ! Error after Error. Why would they cast off that starboard stern line in that wind
I really cant say. I was just as baffled as you!!!
Yes, a lot of small errors which add up at the end.
The movement of the boat and the lack of prop wash in the water suggest that the skipper most of time didn't engage the fwd gear. Not sure why, I don't see any line that could foul the prop.
Releasing the stb stern line was at the end the only solution. At least from what I see on the video.
When they finally had the line at the bow, the bow was far away from where it should be, the ground line was too short for this position and they cannot tie up the line on the clamp at the bow anymore.
In this position (and wind from the side), without a massively oversized engine, you cannot turn the boat to the wind anymore. The only solution is to quickly release all lines. Which was not quite easy because the pilot line was already under tension.
Exactly.... I was like......HUH? Just put a few strong men at the bow and take that mooring line in bit by bit.... They would have been docked pretty good.
stupid
@@sailingspock Or just pump it. Let someone stand on it to pull the boat a bit closer, then release and pull.
Almost 1min to bring the line from stern to the bow on a 65 footer is a new record ;)
Not quite sure, there was no (indirect) damage on the other boat. At the end the anchor chain / mooring line of the other boat was pretty slack. It might have later hit the dock because of this.
Port bow thruster? Would not the starboard thruster have pushed the stern away from the other sailboat? Coming from a guy with a 23' Beneteau that I can dock single-handed. I would not want to try to pull off a stern docking with a vessel this size. No negative comments from me as I would have screwed it up too.
Good skipper, good crew! 🤣
Twelve crew and not ONE with any clue how to dock a yacht.
Disappointing
I've done that maneuver at that very same spot, winds and all. It's not as easy as it looks;-) however with a good crew, an anchor that held the bow to windward, and a dockhand, it worked out for our Valiant 37. Rum never tasted so good.
Looks like at least 20 kts crosswind so not easy. Approach was good but maybe a bit more upwind would have been better. Crew was slow to tension and make off the windward stern line allowing the boat to drift sideways and reducing the option to power forward onto that line to offset the wind on the bow. Then the lazy line handler was too slow with the line to the bow and the boat was left suspended with all that tension on both lines so they couldn't be sweated in. Skipper decided to abort but apparently the "lazy" line had too much tension to release (maybe he was unaware). Releasing the stern lines first was a mistake as then there was no way to control the boat. Looked like a breakdown in communication from skipper to crew and lack of a Plan B. It's easy to criticise from a comfy armchair though....
Very nice drone shots!!
The approach of the dock looked fine.
But from that point it went progressively worse....
Apparently they do not get any support on the dock.
And they are not sheltered by neighboring boats, OK.
But what is going on with the crew on that boat!!??
It looks like the crew is willing to cooperate.
But at the same time, it does not seem clear to the crew which line is the most important one to secure the boat.
Apparently the skipper did not assign tasks to the crew members.
Get the starboard stern shoreline tight and firmly fixed on the starboard stern cleat.
This allows the skipper to power into that shoreline to prevent the bow getting blown to leeward.
They would have been in a controlled and safe position to set the mooring line at the bow.
On top of that, they cast off the most important shoreline.
I'm so lucky the boat on leeward is not mine.... 😅😅
Thank you. Will edit and repost soon.
I'm a skipper and I had exactly the same situation. In the evening in Silverdale Pugetsound, when I got on the pier, there was a very strong wind, but I made a starboard side to the pier. And everything went fine, they tied the ropes, but why the hell did the ropes come off or did they come undone, what kind of knots were there?
The guy on the spring line was holding the line in his hand just stood there and watched the boat fall out of position.
Great video !!!
Good day to all of you, can I please use your footage to make a video pointing what went wrong and help other people with docking?
I would prefer if you provide the link to my video and use the original footage. I hope you understand my position here. I'm working really hard on the footage for this channel.
@@antiguascenes268 Whatever you like, I appreciate it!
Just explain me what exactly you want me to do and I do it
What's that stupid line they're holding on to at the bow? Or did they drop the anchor?
They eventually did.
Looks like lazy-line mooring. Used instead of having to drop anchor. Mooring line fixed to seabed mooring point with line lead back to quay
What drone did you use, it looks quite windy but your shots are without interference? Thank you very much
Hey man. Wind wasn't too strong. I have a dji mini 2 se
@@antiguascenes268 Thx mate
I don’t get it, I thought I saw them get the stern lines on?
And they released them allowing the wind to push them into the other vessel.
That would be the worst berthing I’ve ever seen
Useless crew 😂
This means you've seen so little. Crawl more on youtube, believe me: I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion..... etc etc 😄😄
7:35 best scene the guy on the wheel is busting out with the best swear words 😆😆
观察仔细，我重新又去看了一次，果然如此
I started counting the number of mistakes, but ran out of fingers and toes 😂
Lol
The last time I saw the dock that empty was 1973.
Geweldig!
Okay this is a test !!! If any one of you does something correcty or display any knowledge of seamanship you will be fired.
It all went to hell when they lost that weather stern line
They didn’t loose it, they did that on purpose 😢.
They fixed the boat and than unfixed ????
They definitely need a bigger crew onboard🙈
Bit of a windy spot but berthing should be achievable.Just need a better plan.
Hätte alles fast gepasst wenn die Leine nicht zu lurz gewesen wäre. Ich denke mal das es schon erfahrene Segler waren aber so schnell kanns gehen 🙃
11 crew! She was great with 3 crew in Mallorca. 1983
Most less experienced crew have no sense of urgency. The captain needs to ensure that crew have specific instruction. For some reason most crew and many dockhand will sit there with a dock line in hand and not tie it off..
shocking
j'ai jamais compris cette maladie qui consiste à être obligé de balancer une ancre a l'avant du bateau pour le maintenir dans l'axe dans un port. C'est peu pratique et en plus ça piège les autres bateaux qui se prennent la quille dedans.
Swan card revoked.
The yacht is for sale...
Esos jerseys blancos, esas gorritas a juego...¿qué puede salir mal?
LOL
The moment of truth ... docking the boat and finding out your crew is bunch of laid back idiots who do not really care, but all pretend to be helpful
Dont they teach windage anymore..? Anyway, long starboard bow/midships line aft and short stern line, tie off seperately...Problem solved.
Sailboat was already tided up with mooring line and stern line. As you said they have unlimited time to fix mid spring on starboard side, use engine and winch and slowly move sailboat to wanted position
Exactly this.
A good illustration of the 6 P's. Prior Preparation Prevents Piss Poor Performance.
Kudos to Sat7 for the funniest comment! 🤣
The helmsman was frozen is my guess. Why he did not use the bow thruster to help the poor guy trying to handle the slime-line on the stbd bow by himself is baffling. Clearly too, the stbd stern line was never properly cleated off. Tough conditions, but lots of bad decisions.
I agree
Do you really think this classic vessel has a blow thruster? And, do you really think a bow thruster may help you against approx 20-25kn wind from StB? That's a joke, isn't it? 😂
I really want to know why they drop the stb-stern-line, before they release the bow-mooring-line, make no sence🤔
Btw. I would prepare a aft-spring from the middle cleat before docking.
With main-engine forward you can hold your position at the dock, against the wind.
At the end, this is really a perfect example for "Murphy's law"!
Thank you for the footage. 👍
Cheers
@@ushi120 that boat absolutely has a bow thruster, and quite a powerful one too, if the wash from it is any indication. Watch the video carefully. It was just not used when needed.
May I ask for a time-stamp? 11min are very long without any music 😊
You are absolutely right. At 3:30 during docking and 6:20 after hitting the other vessel, I could see a lot of propwash at the bow, on port side.👍
That means the skipper used the bow thruster for sure, but without any success.
Perhaps the aft-middle-spring would have been a better solution.
Regards from Germany
Cheers
Imagine if there was wind .....😬😬
There was, that was the problem.
@@davepersich3035I think that was irony...
Better to do the shepherd the captan.
Looks like they need more lessons in team line handling! A lot of slow moving.....fumbling lines ...standing around ....looking at each other ....that midship spring line should have been deployed in that wind while pulling up the aft stern slack asap!
Skipper did its best. Problem was the crew, the lazy line handler acted extremely slow, then came the rest.
Well I don't know about that, but why helmsman was just sitting around while they were scraping along the other boat I don't understand. I am a skipper, he had the engine running, he could have got free of the other boat ant any moment . So the skipper's best was pretty poor. So many mistakes in this it's hard to count!
I think it's a Swan 65's designed by Sparkman & Stephens, I have had the opportunity to sail a few times on a boat like that.Good and poor sailors can only desire those ships but God rewards them by seeing situations like this.Very good boat and very very bad crew. These boats need expert hands.
That was crazy bad. Perhaps too many crew so lots were ‘loafing’ and expecting someone else to do it.
Clearly not a well drilled crew. No one seemed to move with any urgency or purpose.
Au début, la manœuvre était impeccable, anticipation sur l'a dérive, prise de mouillage avant. Il ne restait plus qu'à régler les amarres. Après, ça part en cacahuète, on ne sait pas pourquoi. Peut être, ont ils décidé de ne pas rester à cause du vent de travers.
They weren’t able to pull in the bow mooring to get the boat in the proper place. And they had no clue of how to to make it happen.
THE BIGGER THE BOAT,THE BIGGER THE FOOLS
crew were looking facebook
He got 1 mile of free dock so he can moore parallel to the dock but he choose the wrong solution
A whole lot of things going on here... just not the right things!
What a mess never let the stern ropes go
Looks like they didnt have enough crew members .
😂😂😂
What ! I count 6 people 😂
just looking for 1 competent crew with a fender !!!! to much to ask .
I Know right
Why ????????????
What a shambles 😂
None of them seem to have a clue. Such a big boat in the hands of amateurs
Encore des régatiers ils sont les plus forts 😂😂😂 j'espère qu'il ont signalé leurs dégâts à ce voilier plaisanciers 😮
good job guys 👍🏻 not easy 😉
This video is soo much BS! The boat is a Swan 65 and it has a fin keel a very nice ocean crosser! A couple of Swan 65s have taken part of Whitbread around the world race, it's an excellent blue water cruiser/racer. And if you don't know this boat type you are not a sailor! :)
they have been already save...
Amateurs
LOL
Unglaublich inkompetent!
Rich old folks playing sailors...
inexperienced crew,for some reason captain been shutip &rescuing boatman )
Dit zijn amateurs. De stuurman zeker. De matrozen blijven eerst staan afwachten. Ik zie dat er ook nog een boegschroef is! Man man man, de beste stuurlui staan aan wal, maar in dit geval niet. Hier zitten ze op een prachtig schip. Het is onmogelijk een professionele club. Maar het blijft een mooie film.
You need start practice with a tender
The technical term for that manoeuvre is “clusterfuck”
Lol
Seitenwind beachten und achtern die Luv Leine fixieren und einkuppeln. Mooring Leine aufnehmen und Luvseitig an der Klampe belegen. Bei soviel Mann ist das doch kein Problem .
Und dabei braucht nur 1 Mann zum einkuppeln ;)
Wenn die Mannschaft im Schnitt über 60 ist und die Ruhe weg hat, dann wird es in solchen Fällen eben doch zum Problem. Sieht man doch. 😂
Auf die Details achten!
Der gute Mann am Bug wollte anscheinend in aller Ruhe die Mooring-Leine durch die Klüse führen bevor er die Leine auf der Klampe belegt. Sobald der Bug vertreibt ist das aber keine gute Idee mehr, da gilt " quick and dirty" Bug sichern.😂😂😂
I see the following reasons for the desaster:
1.)wrong place. Round the corner of the same dock they could have docked AGAINST the wind.
2.)why not asking for help from the Marina with a man ashore and with a dinghi BEFORE docking?
3.) lack of crew effiency. Many men but much too lazy. The important starbord- sternline wasn't fixed immediatly so the skipper couldn't steam into to hold the boat against the fresh wind from starboard. The men, or better 2 or 3, to fix the mooring- line at the bow were much to slow and inefficient in order to fix the bow immediatly.
3.) a long springline on starboard preparated in advance from the clamp in the middle of the boat to shore and leading to a winch could have solved the problem before things detoriated.
4.) during docking at the beginning there was no sign of bow- thruster involment on portside.
have
I agree. Especially 3
Ich denke auch: Luv-Achterleine an Sb schnell belegen und Schub nach vorne! Auch wenn der Seitenwind stark ist, sollte das erstmal das Schiff stabilisieren.
Und die Mooring am Bug wird zu langsam bzw. gar nicht fixiert.
Warum die Luv-Achterleine dann los geworfen wird, statt zu belegen, bleibt wohl ein Rätsel...
Its ok. Noone at Home on the other boat. Dock somewhere else and pretend you dont know anything! 😂
So many people to help, bow trustees, a power boat pushing ffs😆
What a. Joke ,not like it was short handed 🥴
They are doing as well as you are.
Unbelievable, Useless - all of them.
Si much bad sailors..shame on the skipper and on the sailors ..how is it possible with such nice Swan..SUI 😱😡😡😡⛵️🇨🇭
Rental boat or rich people with no experience
Que terrible y temible
Era difficile perché in banchina c'è ne era 1 sola ma ce l'hanno fatta a centrarla in pieno!! 🎉🎉
Gente senza esperienza dovrebbe ormeggiare solo di prua.
Questi sono pericolosi.
I do not believe what I see. How is one allowed to captain the boat with such knowledge? SUI...maybe used to sail the lakes.🤣
ups... maybe the engine failed? Thats why.
I did wonder if this was the case. Looks like bow thruster was fine though
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😂😂😂😂😂🙈🙈🙈🙈
You folks best stick to riding horses.