How Can We BRING BACK Turles? | Dragon Ball Discussion
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- So with many characters being revived in #DragonBallSuper as well as Dragon Ball Heroes, what can we do with Turles or Tullece or Terlz? This original Goku Black from the nineties is a respected character, but doesn't have much going for him except that he looks like Goku and he is evil. How can we reinvent this character and yet maintain the nostalgia? #DBZ #Xenoverse2 #XV2 #DragonBallXenoverse2
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"How can we bring back Turles?"
Dragon Balls.
This.
Dragon's what
@I you missed the joke. Congrats.
@@Jake1989dub1 Always that one comment who ruins the joke or can't take it.
That is beyond the dragon's power
He is back; every time Goku looks in a mirror
gryffonmanic at night
Masako: "Hi back, I'm front!"
Or Goku gets a tan
~ Goku: So....if your not my brother then....THEN YOU MUST BE MY COUSIN!!!
~ Turles: *sigh*
Some cousins can look identical, so it's possible.
@@SomeWeirdoPerson Dang, forgot about this. Calm down, I was just playing along dude, I don't like the idea of them being related either. Everyone wants that?
I can't imagine why either, but I always stuck with what Turles said about some lower class Saiyans looking like that.
BARDOCK: he is MY brother.
Turles: UNCLE TURLES WANTS DOME APPLE SIDER
@@chriscannon8144 I have a friend who’s cousin looks literally identical to her, almost as if they were twins, but they aren’t, so yeah, it’s quite possible they could be cousins
Turles is underrated, I rarely hear about him the modern fandom
Turles : *stands next to Goku*
dbz broly : *confused screaming*
Black: *shows up*
Z-Broly: *more and louder screaming*
Fun fact though. Z Broly has apparently commited Kakarot's scent to memory. This is most easily noticed in Xenoverse 2 where if Goku is your mentor, and you speak to him, he demands to be taken to him.
This is further reflected in his battle dialogue with Raditz where he notes that it's confusing that it's not Kakarot.
I also vaguely recall he also calls Goku Black a "fake Kakarot" in the Infinite History DLC story but I don't remember that too well.
😆😆😆
Bardock: Shows up
Z-Broly: Screams so loud it makes him gain a new transformation.
*Turles, Black, Bardock, Goten stand in a line*
I kind of want to see Turles actually be some kind sayain and other alien hybrid, it would be a different way to bring in the concept of a hidden sayains and bring in the idea that sayains or people with sayain blood could be anywhere look like anything and show up at anytime to cause trouble.
What if eating the fruit made him part Kai?
BUT MASAKO!!!!
Given the lore of the tree from Xenoverse and the movies; the Tree of Might, or the Shinseiju (edit), is a tree that is meant to be eaten by gods.
The Tree of Might is not inherently evil, it just has such a high cost of maintaining it that most planets can't handle it without dying.
The Sacred World of The Kais is a planet that is more than capable enough of handling the tree without dying, it has just that much life force that it can sustain itself and the Tree of Might.
Elder Kai commented that Turles must have smuggled some fruit and seeds, as both him and King Kai acknowledge that only Gods are supposed to eat it.
On Planet Vampa, it wouldn't last long because Vampa may have life, but it is a veritable wasteland, reliant on the predator/prey relationship between the giant green beasts and the monstrous bugs.
'Slow Clap'
It's a reboot, it's different
So what you’re saying is... the FotToM could be altered very slightly to temporarily give the consumer God Ki?
@@christiancinnabars1402 or better, God of Destruction energy, similar to Toppo's transformation.
What if it is a tree that originated from beerus' planet that's why it destroys the planets it grows on
Turles could be an oddity for universe 6 though, like how goku was good because of the bump on his head, we could revers it
kakarot was sent to earth and hit his heat turning him evil he was named turles he grew up and used the fruit to suck earth dry he also has ssj4 and can turn ui on at will I thing this idea is a good one
Gohan: “Hey Dad, what’s with the getup? It’s not Halloween, it’s Christmas!”
Goku: “Christmas? It’s not Christmas, it’s Halloween.”
"Silly Gohan!"
Turles: I love Halloween
‘How many Goku’s do you want?’
Dragon Ball: ‘Yes’
Let's see...
Goku
Puppet Goku
Turles
Goten
Goku Black
5. I count 5.
Sadly I am only counting 4 in terms of being Dopplegangers & not Relatives. Goku, Puppet Goku, Turles, & Goku Black. Bardock, Goten, & Goku Jr. are their own characters especially in NonCanon Material.
@@GarciaXVLegend_04
then I see 6
DBZ BROLY : CONFUSED SCREAMING
@Kiaran Brady LMAO Poor Z-Broly
@@justabiscuit8152Broly:(Confused) Kakarot? -Tenkaichi 3
I said it in the Bojack video and I’ll say it again here: Bojack-Tullece rivalry. Heran vs Saiyan space pirates. It’s so obvious!
The battle of the space pirates to determine the fate of the galaxy
Rivals to become Space Pirates King
Sheer power of the Herans vs the cunning and trickery of Turles and his crew. I would like a movie on it.
@@Thomas20Smith mix up with Turles wanting to use Broly like Masako said but not only to crush Frieza but Bojack as well, I could actualy go even further beyond using Coola and Slug as Coola would join Frieza since he wants an allie and its a better option than Broly, So we can have Turles aiming to get Broly on his side while Bojack search for an allie and find Slugs all of those who would make for a few movies and arc's for DBS and multiples confrontations beetween all of them as well as Kakarot and Vegeta but its really going to the fan fiction territory ain't it lol
"let's be friends!'- Turles
*crushes gohan's hand*
He deserved it
You will get it
I think we can get Turles in Dragon Ball in three ways.
First way: What you suggested.
Second way: I brought this up in the Pikkon video, you can use Chill to gather other Saiyans that gave Frieza the slip. Turles, being a rebel by nature, often buts heads with him, leaving him to be the most used test subject. This could also bring Super Saiyan four in as a product of science and genetic tempering. Turles and the other Saiyans start acting a bit crazy and more feral as time goes on.
Third way: We use Tarble to get Turles back. Turles makes his way up the ranks to a mid-class warrior, mainly due to brains, and ends up working with Tarble. Tarble doesn't like how Frieza treats his father, and Turles... Is still a rebel that doesn't like leadership. King Vegeta banishes Turles for openly questioning Frieza's rule. Tarble leaving the royal family seeing that his main ally and maybe friend is, in his mind, unjustly removed from the Saiyan people. Vegeta then does a prideful "You just proved why you can't be the King, you care to much for- Blah blah blah weakling, blah blah blah pride, blah blah blah prince of all Saiyans." Tarbles says something about not everything being about strength and joins Turles to become space pirates.
*To be honest the answer lies within Universe 6!!*
Sun Wukong interesting..though to be honest I'd rather see a saiyan with a tail .. like paragus even though turles might not use it, it would still give the possibility for an oozaru transformation
Honestly why not. Give Universe 6 a good reason to exist and not suck.
Yes 100 %
Say Gero's old computer took Goku's DNA and made a clone of him that still had the Saiyan Tendencies called Goku Blue
Sun Wukong
hell yeah! idk about "Goku blue" but a dna clone sounds very plausible!
I guess but it has to be done right. The last thing we want is another Bio Broly.
ANOTHER android huh? Vegeta's never letting the boy live this one down.
@@mihaa94sky DO I HEAR 9!!
*Turles: The Original Goku Black*
Goku Grey
finally was able find this joke.
And he looked more like Goku.
Black looks like a tanned Bardock for some reason.
GOTHKU
@@chriscannon8144
Turles also looks like a tanned Bardock
Turles was smart for a Saiyan,
But he was -not- a brilliant scientist!
He was a average fighter but a BRILLIANT BOTANIST
He is probably Goku's doppelganger from Universe 6
that would be cool what if he achieved ssj4 and also has mastered ui and is as strong as goku in the moro saga cause goku can now go ui at will (sorry I really like turles)
@@projekttaku1 but that would add to a flaw of dragon ball which is always scaleing the power higher and higher
@@ruwanalperera3504 so?
"enter what if Turles turns good here"
Turles is my fav dragon ball villain, I would like for him to be canon ngl.
Injustice Justice we don’t need another goku look alike.
@@alephnull423 Well, there are ways that Turles could still be there while at the same time, be actually original, Like broly basically, Broly was bad in Z but is now amazing in Super, I believe that could be the same with Turles and stuff.
Injustice Justice another evil goku?
Injustice Justice been there done that. And it was fairly recent too.
@@alephnull423 Well, in my opinion, I honestly think that Turles would work as a person there, but I still get why you would not want another evil goku or something, but I think that they could maybe make turles unique and stuff if they changed stuff about him, and heck, they would maybe slightly change his appearance while having the same look.
Masako could you elaborate in this "ika" character?
I would make Turles still related to Goku, we see that hair is kind of a family mark with Saiyans, with Goku and his kids, and Vegeta and his dad
So with would say that Turles is Goku's cousin, just give Bardock a brother, and Turles is his kid
According to Minus, he was around Raditz's age.
Tora looks a lot like turles maybe tora is bardocks brother maybe thats why gohans hair is similar
@@CyberSirFUT Tora was Bardock’s best friend, they weren’t related.
@@thedoglovinggamer5825 who says? Nobody said they weren't
@@CyberSirFUT Tora has appeared in multiple games and other forms of dragon ball media it has never been hinted once that Tora is related to Bardock, and to answer why Gohan and Tora have similar hairstyles, Turles said that low class saiyans are born with similar hairstyles and facial features.
In the latino Dragon ball they said that the similarities come from low class saiyans being similar
Marcos Bustos cool
Could be goku's uncle, bardocks twin brother. Give him a beard. Going with the gardner thing, maybe have him discover/create the saiyba man.
Advanced saibamen?
*WE ARE BIOMEN!*
Well, Bardock was a brilliant scientist. Why not his brother too.
Step brother from another saiyan women before meeting his true love Gine ??
that's almost exactly what i was thinking
Turles being a great scientist could also explain how/why Cacao has all those cybernetic cannons built into him.
Thumbnail Turles: When you realize your the real black goku.
You're not black!
No thats nega goku
huh... the Saiyan scientists' clothing even LOOKS like Turles' cape and such.
Really Turles just works in a Sadala Arc in the universe 6
Caulifla and Kale VS Turles is a good idea
Nope, this is the first ive heard of that "long lost sister" theory
you know what could make him cooler?
yeah
Cooler
Turles would be an incredible sidekick for him
Yeah he should be a member of frost Force
Hell nah …. Cooler hates Saiyan so much
I really do wish turles would be cannon
I remember seeing something about him being Bardocks and Fashas son I know that’s not the case but it did make some sense
*When you wake up and the Tree of Might is gone.*
The Tree of Flight.
NOOOOOO!
First thing I thought of was Malaysian dub Turles. 😂😂😂
"I am of the same supa saiya peepo. Join me Kakkarod and become part of our memba." 😂😩😂
I just got a cramp in my foot and it really hurt then I saw a new video by you and the pain went away
Another interesting note is that in Shin Budokai 2 for the PSP, Bardock's opening dialogue when facing adult Gohan is "Hm? You look familiar... Are you Turles' son?"
Dragonball Legends did a pretty good job showing how Turles would act in a modern setting.
Dragon Ball: Turles, or How Dark Goku stole Christmas/Freeza Day.
Wasn't the colour of the scouters supposed to tell the difference between low/mid/and Élite class warriors? If I recall correctly, the green scouters were used by the low class saiyans such as Bardock and Raditz. The blue scouters were used by mid class warriors such as Nappa. And the red ones were used by the Élite Saiyans. So Turles must have been an Élite; or maybe he just stole that kind of scouter.
Masako in xenoverse 2 didn't nappa say turles was sent on a secret mission when u have him as a mentor, so couldn't this mean that the Saiyan's where searching for the tree all along... I might be wrong but that's what I remember
I just love how every single one of masako's videos are just undeniably good
what in the dbza version of super android 13 when vegeta counts 8 androids so far in total and asks if there are anymore goku finally remembers android 8 but decides not to say anything because android 8 isn't evil but it does cut briefly to android 8 sneezing
Masako: good Broly
Toriyama: Dragonball Super Broly
Masako: good Turles
Toriyama: .....
new movie dragonball Super turles
Turles should definitely be more of a bad guy... Even if it's in a more neutral "Space Pirate" way, rather than just a one dimensional destroyer.
What if Turles survived Goku’s spirit-bomb?
Turles could be Goku's cousin if Bardock had an twin brother. (Yeah ... I saw this idea on Internet)
LVMR14 where'd you find this idea :0
@@redhaattiya3346 It comes DeviantArt. There is a guy called "The-Devils-Corpse" who drew a lot of DBZ Chart Reference with character's data. That is a Project of himself called "DBZ Redux", where he try to merge canon and non canon story. This idea comes exactly from his art "DBR Squad 0410" where he describes Bardock's Older Brother (Kalab), his wife (Rhub), Kid Turles and his team members (Pumbkin, Korn, Jaga, Mahto).
@@redhaattiya3346 Futhermore, I guess due to this idea, Turles and Raditz's past relationship could be created, of course, if they and Goku were supposed to be cousins. I Hope MasakoX could introduce this idea in R&R.
LVMR14 Oh that sounds pretty cool, I'm gonna check it out myself! Thank you
I was always under the impression that Turles was the younger brother of Bardock
Yes i have been waiting for this thank you
Vegeta: Hey Kakarot!
Turles: I'm not Kakarot.... im Kakanot
TURLES: but you can call me GOTHKU
Redesign turles. I think he’s a good character, but he needs to have some redesigns that could make him a little more unique.
maybe give him that unused bardock hair and a unique super form based on the tree of might.
Imagine him with a goatee. And he already has a slightly different haircut than Goku, with an extra bang on front. I'm surprised MasakoX didn't mention it...
@@randallflagg3700 he also has two extra "Devil horns" if you pay close atention.
@@Fanatic_Foremem and he is the only one who has something different in his hair compared to the rest who has the same hairstyle as goku
I like the idea of Turleys becoming a scientist and trying to change the sayan race
I like turles more for nostalgia, though Zamasu is definitely a much more compellingly written character. I've actually been thinking of reworking turles since the broly movie came out and you started making videos on how to reintroduce movie villains. After hearing your ideas its helped put a few more things in perspective and I've redone some of my original idea. Thanks for another great video!
So this is who Vegeta meant when he said that Bardock was a brilliant scientist! He was just mistaken!
ya know i actually thinking Turles was just fine as he was and i liked him more then both Radiz and Vegita to be honest and him look like Goku never bothered me i actually liked it.
OH MY GOSH YASSSSSS, I’VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS DAY
Turles is almost like an alternate history goku, like what if planet vegeta was never blown up and goku was raised a saiyan he would probably end up like turles
Corrupted Kai tree sounds awesome, giving him a unique Super Saiyan Demon God Super Saiyan transformation.
Here's a idea on how Turles can make his canon debut.
During the battle between Goku, Vegeta & Broly in DBS: Broly, Frieza may have swipe samples of Goku & Vegeta's blood from their beating unnoticed. And after retreating Frieza sets out to find brilliant minds from other planets and threatens them to create the ultimate warrior using the blood samples he took. After pain-staking months they ended up creating a saiyan warrior clone resembling Goku but possess a saiyan pride of Vegeta. Earning the name Turles he is told to obey his only master which is Frieza, however he refuses and escapes in search of strong warriors to fight. That was when the scientists discover an massive glitch in the cloning process discovering that Turles would eventually become mentally unstable and become a mindless animal hellbent on destroying everything. That was when Frieza informs them to try again after murdering one of the scientists and warns them "no screw ups!" Eventually they would finally make the perfect warrior in the form of Janemba!
The idea is rather interesting. It can also lead to a unique spin off of the mystic from that Gohan achieved, that or another spin on SSB. You could also play with the idea of people that consume the fruit of the tree to give them the power to deal perma death like demons to add a level of higher stakes. The tree could a tree from the demon realm instead of a corrupted kai tree.
What if he stole a seed a from the tree on beerus’ planet and has been living off it keeping him young and giving him god ki
Hey Masako! I'd like to see what you think about the Super Dragon Ball Heroes villain Hearts. I think his motives are pretty interesting, wanting to overtake the gods and all, and he could be brought to the main canon in some later saga. Nice video👍
YES TURLES!!! I LOVE HIMMMM
we need what if turles turned good
@@bestgamesandamva That would be cool, but as Masako stated Turles doesn't have enough of his own personality, he wouldn't be a compelling "good guy character." He'd just be Bardock from SDBH but somewhat smarter, with pinches of Vegeta and Raditz in him.
Masako I think you can do this. I mean you already got some great ideas
Your idea fixes the biggest problem I've had with Turles for a while. Going back to the video games, I appreciated the fact that they gave Turles more context and more chances to show off his intellect (his debate with Zamasu in the xenoverse dlc was really neat) but it was so frustrating to see him stuck in the same role. All these years later, he was still just a villain that shows up early on and then gets thrown off to the side never to be seen again (just like Raditz). This happened in Xenoverse, Legends, Heroes, and a couple others. With all the new saiyans getting SSJ like it's nothing, it's so weird that Raditz and Turles still can't go SSJ1 (even in DB:Heroes).
I love the idea of a smart Saiyan scheming against everyone and biding his time to gain the strength necessary to make a move. I just hope that if something like this does happen, Turles won't lose his intellect and become a brainless bruiser once he gets strong. I think it would be cool to see him run tests on himself so that he can accurately measure the risks his experiments will have on him, and take the necessary steps to ensure he can gain perfect control or his new power. He could also have an army of ruined, monstrous test subjects at his disposal. Cliche, I know, but I still think it would be cool. As for Turles' hair style, maybe he could just wear his hair back like Goku did in the Arale episode from Super, and then it could miraculously grow and look wild as a side effect of his experiments. Or maybe, they could give him a similar hair style as Super Saiyan 4 Goku.
What if he specifically altered his appearance to look like Goku to pass himself off as the legendary warrior that defeated Freeza. I could see him being a warlord pirate that emerged following the decline of the Freeza Force and claiming credit for taking Freeza out would be a good way to build up his cred and attract renegades to his cause.
I hope everyone takes a moment out of their day to remember the big green dub of this film
I think that's part of the reason why Turles has had a hard time. Yes the Big Green Dub is classic, but that's one of the biggest reasons we remember Turles.
"You see this? *It's a ball of fire* .
Goku: Christmas!
TURLES: nooo, THIS IS HALLOWEEN
Thank you, I want my boy to return
A dark divine discarded tree! And he got it on the black market! As a "saiyan-tist"! Omg! Do a what on this! Lol
Hey Masako, how would you think they would bring Android 21into Dragon Ball Super? Do you think they would delve into her backstory and let her survive and join the Z Fighters?
THANK YOU
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I think we can raise the stakes a bit more with the Tree of Might; have it originate from the demon realm. We've yet to see much of it in the series since Dabura in the Buu saga. Perhaps the trees were used to drain universe 7 planets, being part of the reason why there's so few populated worlds. The tree's use could even have major repercussions were Zeno to learn about its use, giving a possible threat that U7 could be erased if things get out of hand.
Plus, it would help expand on the dichotomy of the Kais and demons.
That whole lot about the different memories about what the eng. dub said sound like a mandala effect.😮
*WHAT IF WE GIVE TIME FOR MASAKOX TO RECOLOR EPISODE 1*
simple give him a slight armor redesign and call him Goku Purple.
👏😂
No, BADASS IN PURPLE for me
Nega-Goku
Ukog!
Got me deadass
lol
Tree of Might was my favorite movie so yes I want to see him come back
Wait if a sayin can’t change there hair do how dose goku cut gohans hair in dbz and chichi change it when they go to planet namek
I know I’m late to the party, but that only applies to pure blooded saiyans. Since Gohan is half human, his hair is easier to change
@Masako, what about doing a video about the tuffle race that king kai talked about in the filler story
I wonder if there could be an interesting way to bring them into dragon ball canon.
I think they were supposed to be Baby's species in GT, but they were translated as "Sufles" or something (pronounced "soo-full".) I realise GT is a separate canon, but... they attempted it.
Remember when toriyama mention bardock could have brothers? Turles could one of those "brothers"
That would explain his resembles with Goku.
That tree is way higher than the atmosphere! The atmosphere is comparable to the skin of an apple.
As to the hair, you could have that be part of the corruption of the Tree of Might. Maybe the Divine ki he uses is corrupted somehow; the more he uses it, the more damage he does to himself, ultimately to the point where his own energy would consume him?
I've actually had an idea for a DBZ fanfiction in which Turles is a genetically-enhanced clone of Goku created by Dr. Gero. He's initially refered to as Android 12 until the Saiyan Saga. When Vegeta and Nappa come to Earth, they decide to recruit him and give him a proper Saiyan name. Now named Turles, he betrays both Vegeta and Nappa, steals their ships, and leaves them stranded on Earth.
Why can I imagine a canon Turles being the Saiyan equivilent of a Rogue Trader from Warhammer 40k?
He just travels around the galaxy,plundering whatever he wants.
here is another one I forgot to add into it
Universe 6 Chichi also makes it to Universe 7 and Mary Vegeta with Universe 7 Bulma
If Turles is that smart, and was a scientist, he could bio engineer a tree that made fruit to make himself more powerful. It wouldn't need to be a divine tree per say, though I do like that idea as well. Good video Masako. I definitely enjoyed thinking up a story for this one
In the bardock movie he has a vision of Goku black years before that ark was thought of
I would make him goku's uncle and make it like a Zod and/or Zor-el situation. Zor-el is superman's uncle and supergirl's father btw.
Masako there's also a v jump issue in Japan that stated their brothers
Given that Time Rings have established that there's several timelines with multiple universes in them, it's entirely possible for Turles to come from one of these realities. Similar to how Cell and Future Trunks both come from alternate future timelines, separate from one another. Turles could be a Goku who actually accomplished his original mission to conquer Earth and then teamed up with Raditz to abandon the Freiza Force and forge their own path. Becoming space pirates or a rival group to Freiza's own forces, the duo eventually seek out seeds for the Tree and and in the process maybe steal some time rings, that eventually allow them to travel in time and end up in the present day Universe 7?
I'm also cool with Turles being from the main timeline and Universe 7 as suggested in this video, I think that would also work really well.
For some reason, the Tree of Might make me think of King Yemma's tree in HFIL.
I like the idea of Saiyan with a scientific mind; if I were to pitch a story going forward, it would go something like this:
Turles was a field researcher for the Frieza Force; one of those people who scouted out planets of interest before the empire began negotiations/sent out Frieza's enforcers. In a similar manner to Lord Chilled in the Bardock special, he discovered a planet with a peculiar variety of plant life. He would then be approached by Kibito; threatened with swift and certain death, the barters for his life. The world of the Kais kept secret, in exchange for a piece of fruit from the tree of might.
In the ocean dub Turles mentions to Gohan that He and Goku are both lower class saiyan warriors
I did a rewrite a while back where I just gave all of Turles's traits to Paragus (save for looking like Goku).
Not only were the most recent antagonists Saiyans and not only was one of them a revived Dragon Ball property (Broly) and one of them was an evil Goku (Goku Black), but the villain before Goku Black was Copy Vegeta, another evil clone of a Saiyan.
Could have him with the same hairstyle as Goku in the scene showing him being banished. As for Vegeta changing his hairstyle in GT, from what I recall there was something about him having to cut it daily or it would have returned to how it was beforehand.
Yo Masako Turles is actualy a low class saiyan it's metioned on xenoverse 2
Turles is my favorite character!
I really enjoyed the idea and for his hair make it like future gohans hair that’d be a nice nod to him don’t you think
I laughed at the thumbnail when it was asking the audience how we can get turles back and looking at Turles' reaction i immediately thought of "WHAT!? Aww Heck no!"