Is It PTSD or Schizophrenia? Post Traumatic Psychosis -Psychotherapy Crash Course
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- Опубликовано: 26 янв 2020
- PTSD can be a complicated diagnosis and require a lot of psychological tests and clinical observations before it is given to a patient. If schizophrenia becomes a possible diagnosis things can get even more complicated.
In this video, I discuss a phenomenon known as post traumatic psychosis. The behaviors of hospital staff and other mental health therapists, an involuntary commitment, coercive treatments, a bad experience with a mental health group, and even the experience of trauma itself can trigger PTSD with psychotic symptoms.
"Trauma, especially early life trauma, is a risk factor for the development of both posttraumatic stress disorder and psychosis. The goal of the present study was to determine specific associations between exposure to childhood abuse, PTSD symptoms, and current psychotic disorder."
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"Post-traumatic stress disorder is defined as a mental disorder that arises from the experience of traumatic life events. Research has shown a high incidence of co-morbidity between post-traumatic stress disorder and psychosis."
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Extremely useful information. People don’t understand this and often the family and friends also tell that we are getting paranoid. But it’s actually after the trauma or abuse. 🙏🙏
Thanks for watching!!
Your so right….our family and friends etc…’who are ignorant cause so much more damage …. I pray people learn the truth and can truly comfort and support their loved on in such a scary time!
I went through PTSD psychosis for a whole year. I couldn’t focus, be myself, or function properly. I had nightmares every night for a whole year as well. Brutal, brutal experience. Wouldn’t wish it on my worst enemy. Thank you for the vid
I'm so sorry. This is such a life-changing disorder and set of symptoms. It takes a lot to identify what is going on, get the attention of healthcare providers, and then obtain the right treatment.
This is me as well, I understand your pain!
Thank you so much for this video. I am diagnosed with C-PTSD and am seeing a clinical therapist who specialises in trauma. We both discussed my many prodromal episodes that I have experienced in my childhood and throughout my young adulthood, culminating in a full blown episode of symptoms that last for 10 days. I managed these on my own and self medicated with alcohol. I experienced, body dysmorphia, including feeling like I was made of wood, body sensations of spiders on and inside my body and a morbid fear that a dark entity was waiting in my bedroom to attack me. Im a survivor of child sexual abuse and adult rape. I am now 54 and dont suffer as much from these intrusive thoughts or sensations anymore expcept when Im stressed. I always thought that I was alone and a little crazy because of these experiences, but my therapist and this video especially give me comfort that I am not. Thank you.
You're welcome! I'm very glad this was helpful to you. It sounds like you experienced what we call "central nervous system dominance" which means that your body is in full fight or flight mode without the original trigger or threat near you. The trigger for you, based on what you have listed here, is stress. So now that you are aware of this as being a trigger to your central nervous system you can plan ahead. It sounds like you have a good therapist! That's always a treasure.
Take care
Incredibly happy to hear you’re taking care of yourself and getting help ❤️
I'm so glad I found your video. I was diagnosed with chronic PTSD following military combat. Lately, I have been having auditory and visual hallucinations as well as olfactory and it seems to be exacerbated with stress. I really thought I was going insane. I would give all of my belongings just to be normal again.
I'm glad this was helpful to you. Thank you for your service by the way.
This is a tough avenue to go down and a lot of veterans are ignored by our system. It's a tragedy and a poor exchange of service.
Jesus saves and heals, friend. He did for me
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I can confirm Post traumatic psychosis. When my mother tried to murdered me when 7 yrs ( someone intervened) I develop psychosis, hearing and seeing things, and feeling someone touch me who was not there. The psychosis did pass but not the other PTSD symptoms - high anxiety, agoraphobia plagued me for life.
It’s taken me 12 years to get a proper diagnosis and if it wasn’t for your video I wouldn’t have been able to share with my psych team. Once I threw this out there it was an aha moment and they finally stopped telling me iI was bipolar or schizoaffective. So thank you so, so much for making this video!
That's fantastic. I'm glad things went that way for you.
And you're welcome! I might try to re-introduce this topic to the channel in the future.
Absolutely!!! Thank you so much for sharing the reality and truth of these illness for what they are “illness”
About 4 1/2 years ago I had a psychotic break it was brought on in part from a medication a doctor had prescribed after misdiagnosing me. everything you’re saying I experienced and it was horrific it was the worst nightmare of my life and I lived with PTSD flashbacks and nightmares,severe panic attacks and constant intrusive thoughts probably up until about a year ago… I got better everyday but was a trial! I was experiencing PTSD flashbacks and triggers often but it really wasn’t until like two years ago that I started praying and God lead me to educate myself on these issues however even with all I had researched on psychosis breaks …I didn’t have a word for what you were just teaching about here…so thank you so so so so much please keep studying and helping other people in this area the way you are, because you’re right it’s terrifying and we need people medical professionals etc…who know about all of these issues so other people going through such a experience as I did can be to assured and comforted while being treated effectively.Most medical staff in hospitals are /can be very ignorant /incompetent and cause more
Damage! to the patient… so thank you for your time and work please keep going! What you are doing by learning and education people is something I have been praying diligently about for about 5 years ….I pray that more and more people answer the call to the mental health field who are kind compassionate and educated because I never want even my worst enemy to experience the most HORRIFIC “treatment” in hospitals and private practices that I had to endure. If I would have had a dr like you who cares and was educated truly educated in mental health issues of this kind …. I am positive , I wouldn’t of had to suffer PTSD for as long or as sever as I have! Mental illness is a real medical condition just like diabetes…. I am praying our society starts seeing and understanding these truths on a larger scale! Again thank you very much. Keep going!! Keep educating people on all this “crazy” stuff lol. You are helping many!! You have blessed me today!
God bless
I absolutely have psychosis from cPTSD and PTSD from specific psychotic episodes. I also came out of my last mental hospital with even more trauma than I went in with. A fellow patient tried to sexually assault me, which triggered all of that trauma from my past. It’s a major problem that troubled individuals can be forced by well-meaning family members into worse situations than they started out with. Certainly happened to me, a multitude of times. For reference, I am diagnosed with cPTSD, BPD, panic disorder, and believe myself to be borderline schizophrenic because I have very pervasive psychotic symptoms in the face of prolonged or acute stress.
If anyone can relate, Please know you are not alone.
I'm so sorry to hear this. Tess, most mental health hospitals will re-traumatize or traumatize you. It's an unhealthy place to be - even if the hospital is a safer place to be than in your home or the community . I don't know anyone who comes out of a mental health hospital stating it was a "great stay." Searching for treatment is a double-edge sword. It's a sad reality. We need a better system ... still in 2022.
I can relate to a lot of your experiences, except the police were called… They’re even less equipped to deal with psychotic breaks caused by trauma/abuse than mental health “professionals”…
Sorry you’ve had to deal with all this hell. I personally understand how awful it can be… 😵💫
Thank you for bringing light to this overlooked topic. I, personally, have C-PTSD from childhood domestic violence. I notice that when I am dysregulated, I am more likely to be vulnerable to psychosis. I think there might be a link to secretive and toxic environments that people are exposed to (i.e., children hearing parents fighting and trying to be quiet about it so the children learn the behavior to listen in more for survival) thus re-creating the "voices" in adult experiences when they are in uncomfortable situations. I truly think that if more medical professionals were empathetic to the root causes of behaviors and frames of perspective the way you so compassionately worded it, we'd have better coping and treatment strategies.
Thank you, I was gaslit into believing I was psychotic. The person was doing things then denying they happened, describing it is insane. At first, I passed the things that were happening off as my imagination, until I found out that they had done the exact thing to another person. I tried telling a therapist at the time, and was told I was delusional and must have imagined the conversation because, they said, why would someone do that? The therapist told me to just "play along," and "play the game" to "believe them" even though there were other people they had done this to who I had spoken to. I nearly got sectioned, it got to a point where I called up a therapist and begged them to section me. They listened to me talking and my experience, and i was really lucky they had dealt with gaslighting before, and they recognised it straight away and believed me. I managed to escape after that. I still doubt my self now, before this point I was a well-adjusted person (mostly) with mild CPTSD from a previous abusive situation, but now I can't help but keep thinking I imagined all the abuse, that it was all in my head. I'm finally on a waiting list to see someone who can help undo the damage of the gaslighting, and rationally I know it happened, but it's easier to believe that I was crazy. (I got a recording of them actively gaslighting me, they had confessed to what they did, then denied saying it as the recording goes on. I listen to the recording and know that everything that happened was real, then I turn it off and just don't want to accept it happened.)
Yes, I got PTSD from my doctor for abandoning me in crisis. Then repeatedly traumatized by more doctors
This is an experience a lot of patients experience. It's sad.
THIS Pandemic Ish I Haven't seen My Shrink In 8 Months !!!!!!
Same here. I was missdiagnosed for 7 years. Doctors laughed in my face not taking my symptoms seriously. Now I am suffering from post traumatic stress disorder.
@@Vika-gi3zy I have severe ptsd from being blown up at work. I have chronic pain and ptsd. Hard to use the washroom, cant stand, sit but I can walk with a cane. I've tried a couple relationships and they ended bad. When I get flashbacks, I black out sometimes for days.
@@woandy4542 I think I may have ptsd, tell me please, do you ever have hallucinations at night?
Wow. I have cptsd and I went through a day treatment program. The therapist intern I had was not trauma informed and I was put on 12 different medications as my symptoms worsened. Within 4 months I was in a terrifying psychotic state which almost killed me. I was sent to a treatment program out of state for two months recovering and received true trauma therapy. That whole experience was more traumatizing than all of the traumas that landed me the diagnosis of cptsd. I’m still doing EMDR on it. It is so unbelievably frustrating.
I have PTSD from the military and have started dealing with delusions and hallucinations. It really deteriorated my mental health and life
I was never in military, but ive seen bloody men dying in front of me at the age of thirteen or so, my godmother constantly beating me and threatening me, my ex constantly threatening and beating me, seen bloody messes while in shelters, starved, besten, raped, was threatened with guns in my face multiple times, homeless, on my desth bed eith a ruptured spleen snd sepsis multiple times as well...i can only imagine someone in combat ...i recently started horrible nightmares and recurring nightmares of my godmother and ex husband plus the psychosis recently started. This is one of the only videos ive seen to talk about this. Ive been diagnosed eith cptsd, chronic ptsd, anxiety, mdd eith psychosis on top of my diverticulitis ehich is brutal when it flares up snd i end up eith a colon abscess and sepsis ...my heart goes out to those who have this pain too because i know the suffering. One of the hardest parts of dealing with all of this is how theres never anyone to talk to who truly understands because they aren't broken and damaged like me ...
I've literally become psychotic because my body was so stressed out because of a rape I experienced that I wasn't sleeping for days and eventually started seeing shadow people, hearing whispers, felt I was being followed and watched, felt extreme fear, and saw things as being signs to confirm my delusions that I was being watched. I have PTSD already from having high ACE scores but the rape kind of sent me over the edge. I also have the tendency to become psychotic because I have Bipolar Disorder and have experienced that kind of psychosis, however, for me my PTSD psychosis is very different.
yeah. I found the built up of different types of trauma then having another traumatic experience over a long period is what overloaded me and brought in the psychosis.
I didn’t understand childhood PTSD until I watched Anna Runkle author of The Crappy Childhood Fairy channel on here. Forgive me for plugging her channel on your video but I found that she gave me a place to start in understanding how and why we react in certain ways to traumatic experiences from the past and how to get unstuck without having to be re traumatised by telling our story of those events.
Wow thanks, so much. I've been freaking out about this for a while now cause I have enough diagnosises as it is but it makes so much more sense for my hallucinations and stuff to be a result of my ptsd - thankyou, I'll being this up with when getting help!
Oh my gosh, I am so grateful for you talking about this. You're right, this is not widely talked about and I have done a ton of trauma research! I am so relieved that this exists.
Thank you Monica!! I will be coming back to this topic this year for sure.
Thank you so much for taking about this! ❤️
You're welcome! 😊
PTSD from forcable admittance a psych ward. Just the smell of similar soap sends me back, but also your description of being stapped down. Thank for sharing I've encountered therapist who refuse to even see this experience as traumatic.
Im so thankful for your time you spent on research, your intelligence and geart 🙏 i sincerely. Thankful there are good professionals such as yourself out there. Thank you for sharing and helping others!
You're welcome! Thank you for this kind comment. I'm glad this was helpful to you!
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Excellent video!!!
So clearly explained in a respectful & professional manner.
You are a true professional!!!!
So nice of you! Thank you!❤
Wow, you're a giving me a life-line. Thnks for this rare video topic.
You're welcome!! Thanks for watching.
Oh so accurate. Grateful for this content! Thank you!!!
You're welcome. Glad it was helpful!!! Thank you.
I LOVE YOU!!! Thank you. I needed this cleared up for my husband.
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Thanks for seeing and validating this point of view.i I believe it's very comforting for those who feel unheard and alone. 😊
Absolutely!! You're welcome.
sorry if my homeliness acted as in insult my ensemble aint to great im french lol but to telling ppl they cant overthink creats a world is what i MEANT to say shoving us with medication cause they take that and my illness of fearing an other aint psychotic is fear like somethings trauma that happen cause of her medication changes her at her peak or the over responsilities ive had she seen dead ppl in her room as ptsd people seen me the same way as i was over thinking or just in my head thinking this was silly having to hide my thinking about anything at all dawning on ones illness to creat an other
we only think survival a brain can handle so much info at a time and i dont bother with small info less thinking i sound irrisponsilble but to give u a evidence of what im talking about i seperate my thoughts been doing it since i became an adult to fight for my days in war someone could be traumatized of there guns just the thought of it can create impatience as we worry about mood but also known mood is not over thinking i seperate my mood from my thinking my passed tells me that your mood and your thoughts have to be different to be able to say you have anything wrong as long as sleeping aint an illness since we need rest not to have morning anxiety double shift that normal cant be said that needs medication they can invent covid vaccine in two years but cant work this matter its silly to me there s barely ppl like me and im looking for them everyday to know there side of the illness fear is anxiety fear and super guts for others cause we want more life then the rest and we dont stop at over thinking
Great video! This is very helpful. You have a new subscriber! I enjoyed this video. Keep up the great work!!!
Thank you! I'm glad this was helpful. And welcome!!
Thank you so much for making this.
My pleasure!
Thanks this helped, I went into psychosis due to a misuse of drugs 8 years ago and I still suffer with chronic anxiety and intrusive thoughts now. I had a pretty traumatic experienced being hospitalised against my will and forced to take medication while having paranoid delusions about the doctors and just being there. I was even assaulted by a security guard there who had apparently been abusive to other patients. I was still experiencing “delusions” that were different from the initial ones but felt more like re living them until about 2 years ago when I started looking into ocd and intrusive thoughts. Once I had a different explanation for those delusional thoughts the whole delusional theme just went away. I think I was suffering from ptsd for a long time after recovering from psychosis but it’s so hard to get any sort of psychologist or therapist to listen to you once you’ve got a diagnosis of schizoaffective disorder. A lot of the delusions I had were pretty dark as well (aliens or demons possessing my family members and trying to take control of my mind etc). Do you think I could be traumatised by the content of the delusions as well?
Hello,Samantha here, I share this account with my Soulmate Sean, I was brought here by someone Very Special to me. This is Very interesting, I am in the "System " & I can resonate with what you are describing when I have been in Hospital, too many times. I personally believe that someone can "Self heal " to a certain degree, without the trauma of been "Sectioned " . It's the Youth I worry about for the "System " fails a lot of people. Just my humble opinion. Thankyou for this & may You continue to inform people. Sending much Love, Peace & Inner Strength to Everyone ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Thank you for recognising this connection. I wish there was more detailed research on this topic.
Glad it was helpful! And me too.
Dear Ms Hill, how can I contact you? I'd like to send you an article about my story.
There is a name for it! Thank you for posting this video.
You're welcome!
My therapist is new I’ve been in therapy for 12 years. My diagnosis are ptsd, GAD, bipolar 1. But My new therapist recently mentioned anosagnosia, it’s so much overlap & stigmatizism in each. My last therapist didn’t agree with bipolar 1 diagnosis. I had a bad breakup that changed all my fundamental thinking so I think my brain has been stuck since. My ex father faked his death & I know it’s not an everyday occupancy, but I’ve never had that experience before and haunts me to this day, faking your death is actually not illegal unless it’s for fraud or criminal reasons. So I definetly think even if I was having a psychosis episode, it gave a ptsd because my mind definitely plays it over.
Very informative. My children and suffer PTSD after abuse. My youngest was placed in a hospital at a young age and the abuse my child experienced there I carry much guilt as I was cohered by the hospital to send my child . My child came out a week later far worse and then was given to the abuser with his sibling after we eas caped years prior . I am unable to work at this point as they are unable to school and I have decided mental health bonding is priority. Yet the abuser keeps on trying to threaten custody. We have no support system and my oldest is becoming delusional in that he believes that all hospitals are killing people with Covid . Neither will see a therapist as the abuser has access to records so they are terrified. Honestly the therapy in our rural area has done more harm than good so I pulled my youngest out . We are too isolated and want to move near my family. In a supportive, loving environment. Yet no one in the mental health field seems to care about the root of each of our symptoms. Avoidance, hygiene , delusions but each of us have dealt with the trauma in very different ways . I’m certain my youngest or myself do not have delusions but I feel my oldest is severely paranoid of the outside world . Yet the abuser has made it so we fear this and has extreme wealth and has stalked us . This alone has been very hard as no one understands the fear of this. Family courts and child services have caused more trauma. I’m not sure where to even go anymore for help as I am disabled but have raised my children since birth and know I’m a good mother . After a stay with the abuser they came back so severely traumatized I have had such a difficult time finding help. I certainly wish we had someone like you who truly has researched this and understands. I feel on my own and just to get my child to bathe is so hard where the other has no hygiene issues but has fallen deep into a group that has conspiracy beliefs . I sure do not want to cause any more trauma yet I know I have avoidance issues.
Thanks so much for this 🙏
You're welcome 😊
please talk more about this and solutions thank you. god bless you
Thank you! Same to you.
I certainly will. Coming up soon.
Yes. Good insights.
THANK YOU!! THANK YOU I FEEL HUMAN!
you're great. god bless you
Thank you. You too!
This video is literally what I have gone through in life. Everything about me is described exactly. I have gone to a mental hospital twice and have gotten extreme ptsd from both times on top of the ptsd I started with, which itself was great and deeply personal.
I was wondering if there are any books that you would recommend to a person experiencing this?
Thank you for doing the good work and making a video on this, like many people I’m sure, I have been misdiagnosed before meeting my current mental health professional, which lead to many coercive treatments in my life.
I'm sorry this happened to you. Psychiatric hospitals are often not the best places to end up when you are in a mental health crisis. They are far from therapeutic, most of them. Having worked in them as a very young therapist many years ago, I saw the "behind the scenes" and lets just say I wouldn't want to work in a hospital again.
I wish this is something that legislation would really push to change. The Treatment Advocacy System has tried and are still pushing to change the system.
I'm not too familiar with many books on this topic. However, you might like The Body Keeps The Score from Dr. Van der Kolk. Great book on trauma and how it impacts the body.
And thank you for your kind comments! I'm glad this video was helpful.
Here is someone who really embodies the principal of healing within her profession, even via this online teaching. With thanks. Self understanding leads to healing.
Thank you 🤗
Can you please do another video on this? I want to learn more.
You are a lifeline. Thank you
You're welcome!!
And thank you!
This didn't tell about the differences. I'd like to know what separetes them😐
I really liked hearing this ty
You're welcome!! Thanks for watching.
Oh my God! I just want to say thank you so much. I feel heard seen understood. Can one get over this?
❤You're welcome and Thank you!
I feel I can diagnose myself from this !!!
Thank you so much
You're most welcome 😊
You on a good road. I went into a program for PTSD and came out a lot worst a week later
I'm sorry to hear this. This can happen if you are not in the right program, do not have the right provider treating you, and/or you are misdiagnosed. It's important to be careful with who you select as a provider and be clear on their credentials if you can. The moment you feel something isn't right is the moment you may want to second guess that provider.
✨You aré wonderful explanin doctor 🤩✨
Thank you! 😃
It feels so unfair that ppl don't acknowledge this yet. I have the exact same symptoms as schizoaffective but it's all based on trauma after trauma after trauma. Hard to know where to even start.
I'm about to listen to this in hopes it helps. I have chronic ptsd and I have Auditory Hallucinations and have for 5 years now but they get scarier in time. Especially since I got sober 3 years ago. I know they're the same voices since I got sober and they more clear and it's so Terrifying. Anyways ima listen. God bless you all
❤- yes very i was there for an eating disorder when i was 19 they don't have the program anymore.
ptsd is ways reminded of what fears you ways of what happened and how your fight mode is keep buzy and keep moving always have your brain on your next move that is the more harsh mac of it always on the run away what ppl do is always important in your presents how they do it what they say while they do it and ive spents since 1996 i have back ups as well
My sisters "dr" Hugged her And She ran to the car and was shaking and so upset. We All Need Good Doctors Who Truly Care.
It’s kinda like stress can be different in ppl and voices can be a result I can hear voices but it’s usually hearing things that I’ve said in the past and was just wondering beyond the fact that it’s something wrong with my seratonin or dopamine levels I can’t remember which but yea that’s all I can hear and I feel like if I get to the root issue which may be trauma or something I can get away from the triggers that cause me to hear voices
My childhood and following years up until my early 20s have been anything but safe and happy. I'm diagnosed with CPTSD and many other things and I've been struggling with all symptoms of psychosis since I was very young apparently so now people with Schizophrenia tell me they think I'm one of them and the doctor says that it's Post Traumatic Psychosis. So all I want to know is which diagnosis is correct but now it seemed they don't want to look into this further because of the CPTSD. Is Post Traumatic Psychosis ongoing even if I'm 33 now?
PTSD induced by treament in a psychiatric wards seems to me quite overstatement. It is more likely due REALLY catastrophic events like: wars, terrorist attacks, family separation with their kids due to hostage situations or divorces.
This is fascinating, about 10 years ago my husband started hallucinations, auditory and visual, he was 31 years old and had narrowly escaped a serious fire at work.
For 8 years he kept his hallucinations a secret. He has so many symptoms of schizophrenia, positive and negative. But we were told this wasn't his problem as he was too old for the illness to manifest.
He is now on a vast regimen of drugs but the hallucinations are still debilitating. Somehow he still manages to work.
Thanks for this video, it's very helpful.
You're welcome and thank you for sharing this story. I have 2 people who consult with me experiencing this.
While schizophrenia is uncommonly diagnosed after 40 and before 20, that doesn't mean that a traumatic experience could not cause symptoms to manifest into her mid-30s. You may also want to consider that schizophrenia could have always been something he had but in a very mild form which didn't come to the surface until the tragic event. In this case, age wouldn't matter to the symptoms because they would have already been present but laying dormant, if you know what I mean. It truly takes a specialist and someone who gets trauma as well to tease all of this apart.
I wish you well
I had delusions 1.5year ago i went to a mental hospital, got tied up, saw devils and dark faces, everything gave me trauma and i think i have ptsd from the staff which were unprofessional. I tought i dont belong there, it felt like prison, i got druged and i had 1 year to recover from it. Today im fine im off drugs and getting my sht together. But i dont like remembering the past, it gets me nervous its like a dark place i dont wanna loook at. Even today i still think about it and wonder if my brain is gonna let me down again. I just wonder how to forget it? i dont handle stress well anymore its like im so sensitive when something new is happening. I think i have ptsd from the trauma. Even tho' i dont remember half my days, i think the brain is blocking my memories for my own good. When i dig deep and try to remember what happend i get scared and i feel like switching my toughts. I just wonder do you have the answers: How to deal with trauma?
I don't understand how anyone would say psychosis and ptsd are rare when they go hand and hand. Flashbacks at their worst is psychosis. Most of the soldiers I know struggling had mild to severe psychosis. I think we're watering down what it means to have ptsd. When your body is in that extreme of flight or fight response your brain does two things, it fills in blanks ( example speech or eye contact far away needs to be interpreted as threat or non-threat) and it presents stored memories as evidence for alarm (sometimes intense visual/auditory glimpses aka flashbacks.) That's psychotic to me and in my experience with severe ptsd. I don't know what other people call ptsd if they don't have that. It's the latest name for shell shock, it's an intense and often psychotic disorder, not rarely.
This happened to me after I was subjected to "attack therapy" in a Synanon style commercial cult. I was diagnosed with schizophrenia later within the context of another forced hospitalization but a narcissist diagnosed me. I'm not experiencing psychosis anymore but I don't really have access to therapy/etc. I think I might have experienced mild symptoms of psychosis as a teen, but I'm not sure. The situation was crazy because of abuse and the control, lack of privacy, etc. that implies.
Oh my. I'm sorry to hear this. You had to be disturbed by what was happening to you. I'm guessing this was outside of the USA? It truly does seem that way.
What is the difference between body memories and mental intrusions related to CPTSD and psychosis?
Doctor say I have schizophrenia but really I'm just pregnant for an unbelievable amount of time. Due to adrenal kidney and bladder cancer stage 4 has altered my hormones and therefore so I am pregnant for a very long time with multiples. Also in times are coming so it's a true blessing
I think I have post traumatic psychosis. I have PTSD and something evil happened to me when I was a teen. Anyway, interestingly, about 5 years after the event, I’m now starting to develop delusions, hallucinations, mainly people speaking to me that aren’t there and people being rude to me. I can’t remember the conversations after it’s over… I get intrusive thoughts all the time.. usually from all the different jobs I’ve had where I was bullied (which isn’t related to my horrible event as a teen) which I think may contribute to my PTSD as these events happened after my initial traumatic situation - I’ve had medication for depression and I’ve had talking therapy but this hasn’t helped me.. I even experienced delirium during my talking therapy.. very scary.. I just looked up psychotic depression.. maybe I have that.. idk..
I'm sorry to hear this. This has to be slightly traumatic and de-stabilizing to your daily life. The first step toward figuring out what is going on is to try to identify when these things happen -- when you are stressed, sleep deprived, suffering depression or anxiety, feeling overwhelmed, etc. Sometimes these things can happen as a "severe" stress reaction when the body and brain become out of sync.
Another thing you may want to consider is ruling out the effects of medication and other substances like marijuana or alcohol that could be adding to the main issue and causing these experiences for you.
This is something you could bring up to your primary doctor to see what he or she thinks. You could also reach out to a psychotherapist, if you aren't already seeing one.
I hope this gets worked out for you.
Take care
Hello Dr how can a person get a hold of you, I went through something traumatic and I need to overcome it and also to understand what must have happen.
How can people get a hold of you do you do any counseling sessions
Back in 2018 I was struggling to understand the things that were surfacing about my childhood and I remember thinking , I had made a huge mistake by seeking support for the years of abuse, it was like pandora's box had been opened and I had no tools to manage anything I was faced with.
I was receiving support by talk therapy sessions and I was getting validation in some respects but looking back, I wonder if while I felt it was beneficial, there has never been any professional who works in trauma involved in my support.
So maybe this was not very helpful because I had a long train journey home afterwards, and very often I'd find myself in a heightened state of anxiety and having panic attacks and feeling confused about everything from paying the train fair to missing my stop, and then catastrophiesing everything, and eventually I was admitted into the psychiatric ward for over a week,
I also had an assessment for psychosis at a unit further away a few months before.
I had the most uneasy feeling about being there because the whole experience was horrible, the buildings leading to this unit are typical hospital grounds and then there was a separate building at the back and behind 2 big gates. The front was a massive old stone building with no doors or windows on the front but steps at the side lead up to a kind of small garden with benches each side and then two creepy dark red doors. Inside there was no sign if anyone for a while until two ladies in burgundy scrubs walked past and even they were frightening. I was so relieved that I was given the all clear to go home.
Thank you for sharing this with us Beth. It sounds to me as if you really went through a tough time and needed a trauma therapist to support you. Trauma therapists, if you can find a good one, have a lot of knowledge and specialized knowledge that a general therapist just doesn't have. For example, I've been certified in trauma counseling from an association of professionals and they focus in the neurological as well as physiological aspects of trauma. They bring in a lot of neurobiology and sociological influence. We also can't forget the influence of the family and how that impacts trauma.
So I think you're right when you highlight that a trauma therapist was most likely what you needed at the time.
@@TherapistTamaraHill I honestly believe that if I had not found your youtube channel I would have never have questioned whether or not the support I have been getting so far is adequate for me. But you have spoken about a huge variety of behaviours and beliefs that you see in your patients and I have seen in myself, but was to afraid to admitt or talk about.
I have gone through alot but I know now there are people who have been through much worse,
And I hope and pray for them to be as fortunate as I have in finding expert advice from sombody like yourself.
And I want you to know that i am extremely appreciative not only for your channel but for the years of dedicated hard work you have put into helping change peoples lives.
Thank you for everything
Thank you Beth. 💖 This warmed my heart. I'm honored I can do this work. A blessing indeed.
You have a very warm heart if you ask me, and it's an amazing thing you are giving us. And rest assured you have made a difference to myself and my little girls life. It's just falling steadily into place more each day and I have a strong sense of belonging and gratatude for you for my daughter and my past in some odd way.
I wanted to ask if you know what therapist would be best to work with me? Would it be a neurologist perhaps? 🙂
Thanks so much Beth! Very kind of you.
This is good to hear because you seem like you are feeling empowered and that's progress.
I would say a neurologist will look at the brain to rule out any potential medical problems but wont do counseling. I like to pair providers for my clients such as by recommending a trauma therapist and neurologist.
Thank you dr for the video. I want to share my experience with my mother's phycosis. My mother at the age of 52 after removing her from her job position beacuse she was afraid to do the covid vaccination, she started to withdraw for about 2 months and then she experienced her first phycotic episode that lasted for less than a month and led her to hospitalization. The results of the drug was akathesia. After that she stoped antiphycotics and continued anti depresant as doctor indicated and she gradually become her self again. She went back to her work as she did the vaccine but in a different position that was not her cup of tea but she looked ok. However 2 months ago she started hearing voices again and she started again the indicated antiphycotic medication without stopping the symtom but reducing the loudness. She does not have any other symtom apart from hearing demonic voices. I am so sad as I don't know what she has. I am trying to help her. Please respond if you have time!
Great job I have this I am thankful I found a great therapist my story in short is that I was raped & molested multiple times been though all that you said it is scary with 302 been there lots of times I was labeled a lot with having schizophrenia or schizoaffective disorder in fact I have PTSD people dont think that you can hear voices with PTSD anyhow great video
My phycoligist says you are born with schizophrenia or its genetic? Is that true ? I have ptsd combat and I see hear things all the time... Plus had a brain tumor when I was 5 and I have cyst in my brain aswell...could my cyst or brain tomur be related to schizophrenia? I believe I have schizophrenia but for sure combat ptsd from military
I have ptsd and i see and hear things all the time, shadowy demon figures and voices always talking bad too me. Im not sure if its schizo. I have a blunt reaction though, i also have aspd (socioapathy) i feel i feel the ptsd without such a strong adrenaline or anxiety and that causes me to manifest hallucinations. I go from town to town which is extremely stressful i learned when im in a new town the voices come out loud and proud
I'm so sorry Jose that you are dealing with this. This experience could most definitely be PTSD symptoms that are chronic and untreated. Stress can result in more frequent symptoms and worsening symptoms.
7 years ago, Schizophrenic lady punched my nose and I started having PTSD since 2021 winter. I just cannot forget about that event and that event haunts me like forever. When I think about that traumatic incident, I have visual hallucination. Do you think this is the onset of schizophrenic disorders?
the phone ringing gave me a heart attack-
🤭 me too! Sorry!
I kind of grew up in around a children's hospital before the age of 10 because my older brother (10 months) was diagnosed with leukemia just after I was born in 1966. It was terminal so (especially after 5) he would often be in the terminally ill section of the children's hospital plus my dad kind of abandoned us at the time so I had to live with various relatives and spend lots of time up there at the hospital. Some of the things I witnessed and experienced I won't repeat but I can say it was like being in a death row or concentration camp for children. (God bless the oncology nurses there, not sure how they do it plus caretaking/babysitting me too.) In any case years later being in a hospital setting triggers some of these p-tsd repressed traumas often resulting in psychotic behaviors. I have assault charges upon hospital staff because of these issues. This is also perhaps due to at least in part by being previously restrained in chairs, rooms, not to mention while being physically restrained given intervienous antipsychotic medications etc. When you have these early childhood past traumas relating to (in part) doctors/hospitals and later in life you have a mental breakdown then are whisked away in restraints to a hospital etc. My psychosis goes to 1000. Not to mention being (in the past) cold celled- with no clothes, nothing for days or longer, no human contact, either in a completely dark room or so bright for 24/7 you never know what day or time of day it is.
I have cptsd due to an abusive cult. I wonder whether I am or have been in a constant state of psychosis because of it? I thought I was possessed and I literally left my body for a month. I think it could have been extreme stress on my brain and derealization but I really don’t know as at the time I didn’t have the right help and had no idea what was happening to me..but I felt constantly out of my body and my mind is in a constant on edge fragile state, where I’d get these full on freak outs in my head. Hard to describe..
What is rare is not impossible. Idk what joy people get outta harassing someone.
I have experienced ALL of what you've described here all the way from the ambulance, crisis team, police and even hand cuffs in which a police officer took the advantage to be very inappropriate with me in my poor mental state. Could one have both conditions... Schizophrenia and PT Psychosis? And is PT Psychosis something l would have to deal with on a long term basis? What is the treatment?
I'm so sorry. It can be a very scary experience.
You can certainly have both conditions and you could have both conditions at different times in your life. For example, perhaps as a young person you experienced something traumatic that impacted you in a very intense way which led to symptoms that could be considered psychosis. Later in your life, you may have noticed a reduction in symptoms but an increase in symptoms associated with schizophrenia -- delusional beliefs, unsubstantiated fears, paranoia, etc.
It's often best to receive a full evaluation by someone experienced in treating both conditions or at least experienced in treating PTSD. They can then tease apart what is what and suggest an appropriate treatment. EMDR therapy may be helpful as well as trauma-focused CBT. Medication management is also helpful.
There's someone whose fam and community are rly involved in new-age spirituality. This person has built a lot of their identity around remembering past life experiences. I don't think that they are lying, the descriptions of their worlds r very vivid. They have had these 'visions' since early childhood. My feelings r not based on any facts and I could be totally wrong, but I sense that there was some sort of serious abuse within the family. Could childhood trauma manifest as detailed memory and world-building? Be well, take care of yourselves 🌹
I perceive a good question in here but I'm not clear. Are you trying to ask if a traumatic childhood could result in "created" world and "created" memories? If so, yes. Memory is a very complicated topic and I did tackle this in past videos. But it is possible that traumatized individuals create their own worlds and their own memories in some cases. There have been movies, books, and articles written (many that I read in graduate school) that discusses the lives of many parents accused of crimes that never happened just because of "created" worlds and memories. It's complicated indeed.
Take care
@@TherapistTamaraHill That's exactly what I was asking. Thank you, take care. 🌹
Great! I wasn't sure.
You too.
My bones break like glass 200 casted before 16 mother of my child cheated and I tried to accept it wanted her to be honest was with her from 20 until 30 now 34 feel like the whole world is out to get me scared of the hospital pretty sure the rods are coming lose in my back I can barely move because of the pain scared of everyone idk I need help working on getting medical here… maybe idk I feel like everyone is messing with me spiritually and I have other thoughts…
What if you aren't diagnosed as such have no clue it is frightening growing up and remembering bad dreams of control hallucinations of neon spiders squid hearing mums voice say my name, or dad having out of body during fever abduction realitys during sleep , then experience the pts (breakdown body under attack panic attacks) because of it and then the g.p. prescribes anti depressents/anxiety meds ..
What should i be telling my normal g.p....one woman said it didn't sound like psychosis, but- people like yourself- many have...
Should i explain iv had visions over the years? Negative or positive...its like lucid dream crosses into waking state....hearing and assuming small animals making nests in the bedroom one sleeps in....seeing a green alien man crouched on my window ledge feelings of being vulnerable and a target like in folklore...remedying with superstitious actions....using iron , bibles, etc...
I think I Got this ptsd from schizophrenia I when I was a teenager was diagnosed with schizophrenia but i thank schizophrenia cause ptsd I worry a about getting schizophrenia haping again and I'm 27 I still get paranoid but if I quit taking my medication I go down hill
Tim this is tragic and I'm sorry. Most people who experience schizophrenia are exposed to a number of risk factors and challenges such as homelessness, poverty, substance abuse, loss of employment, poor relationships, loss of overall stability, medical conditions that go untreated, etc. It's a terrible turn of events when someone with schizophrenia falls through the cracks.
I should have thought that the C-PTSD makes one more vulnerable and prone to psychotic outbreak
My friend has it and I’m really worried about her
I'm sorry. I understand this sentiment.
@@TherapistTamaraHill it to the point I want to call one of her friends to intervene. At the same time, I worry equally as much about how that intervention is done, so
As to not cause her more trauma. She is at a point, where if she chooses to get help herself, she can positively move forward in acquiring skill sets to both recognize and prevent or lessen future occurrences of breaking down. Right now she is vacillating between two worlds. Her mind is awash in adrenaline in trying to cope with what happened to her brother who is missing, the loss of both her parents and grand parents in the last few years, now no
Immediate family, and messed up
Extended family, being brought up in dysfunction, chaos, exposed to much abuse, and given little if any coping skills.
Despite all this, she had done amazing despite apt amounts of co-pendency, all until the police showed up on her doorstep to tell her about her brother is missing, where his car, car keys, and wallet was, then did very little to find him. She pushed herself over the ledge trying to find him.
I experienced a traumatic birth and I’ve been suffering from
Nightmares, panic attacks and I get severe tinnitus late at night and hyper vigilant to sounds could this mean I have PTSD,?
I'm so sorry. I personally believe that childbirth can be traumatic in and of itself much less when things go wrong or become traumatic. I would say that you are showing signs of an acute PTSD and would suggest speaking with your baby's pediatrician or seeking out a psychotherapist who can assess you.
Take care
Támara Hill, MS NCC CCTP LPC thank you. I will do that it’s been 9 weeks now from her birth I had a csection and she had to be resuscitated. We spent 6 weeks in hospital! ☹️ is it possible to recover naturally from this?
@@melissakamara4740 Speaking from personal experience (and birth traumas both witnessed and experienced personally), you can naturally recover, but it often takes outside help to teach you the tools and skillsets to do so. I’ve used no medications except natural ones, and I can tell you I went from being severely delusional and having near constant psychotic symptoms to being conscious and aware most of the time what is actually reality.
My birth traumas were mostly physical pain and how severe the pain was, because it brought up childhood sexual abuse memories, and then I also had a miscarriage between my two kids. It was BAD… my symptoms were SO bad my husband called the police.
It’s doable to heal naturally, and I can say it from personal experience. It is HARD. But if you’re aware and seeking help, that is a huge step. I didn’t even know where to start. I went from one trauma to another to another since I was very little, on up through adulthood, so I have CPTSD, AND had a psychotic break.
I am healing without medicine. Just natural supplements (magnesium and calcium, CBD + CBN with no THC, multivitamins, adrenal and memory support supplements, probiotics, and healthy eating/gentle exercises).
Hope all is well for you and your little one(s).
....and!.... Is it true that from age 07-12 is age when a/an/the individual feels more matured?!.....If so, is that mentally, morally, socially, or "worldly"?!.....
That's how my friend is Zona or was I should say
Thank you for this video. You recommended this video to me last week. Do people who go through this usually know they are experiencing delusions? Also, relating to what I wrote about before (if this is happening in my family member ), do they tend to not take responsibility for their behavior if they hurt people, whether physically or emotionally??
From this video, it seems like someone suffering from this actually WANTS help. I don't know if this relates to my family member.
She does seem to have ptsd. She has many triggers, but she excuses, blame shifts, or lies to make her reactions ok. Even when confronted about hurting our children, she told me and my husband not to believe the kids, but her. It's so confusing. I want to understand what's going on.
From my own personal experiences, she could be having dissociative episodes. She may not be able to actually recall her actions/words at all during some flashbacks. So, she would be telling the truth from her perspective, to the best of her memory.
You may need to record an incident or more, privately, and show it to her to see if she’s genuinely unaware of what’s going on for her.
I had blackouts when dissociating. It’s like I went to sleep for a short moment and woke up again a few minutes or hours later. Sometimes it felt like days had passed before I “woke up”. It’s not fun to experience it personally, nor, I’m sure, for the concerned family members.
I was completely unaware I even had PTSD at the time, which is why it got so bad for me and my family. And I was also unaware I was experiencing delusions and a psychotic break at the time. Took about 10 months of intense therapy to start coming out of it. 😑
Just my experiences, but could be similar for y’all, perhaps?
It doesn't have to be rape it can be any sort sexual advance that is non consenting or to anyone under the age of 18 or 17 or whatever the age of consent is from where your from here it's 18
You are right. Thanks for pointing that out.
A rare experience like hacking and harassing in such subtle yet horrible ways that only you have the understanding of what is happening and who are the potential culprits. Yet they are roaming free and people think like you are delusional coz they haven’t seen your life closely enough the haven’t seen what you have even way way before you were ever diagnosed. They only want to prove like you are mad. A year Earlier a therapist asked me if I was imagining what was happening due to the anxiety medication I was on, instead I knew way before I was ever diagnosed with any health issues that what is going on. But my parents never believed me or understood me when I said this. Now they wanna prove I am coo coo. Yaa nice go ahead. In fact, try harder this time. Truth can’t stay hidden for long. It won’t.
So does the trauma cause this ? Or do traumatized people only get this if there were also prome to the disorders in true first place ???? I’ve had ptsd and I thank I just got anxiety and depression for the most part
Very good questions Danny. Both! That's why it is so hard for psychotherapists to differentiate between the two disorders. Both of these disorders can also occur at the same time or in the same person at different times. Having a good psychotherapist is important for both of these disorders.
@@TherapistTamaraHill so can someone develop schizophrenia if they experienced a traumatic event but didn’t have any underlying genetics for schizophrenia? Some people are already at risk for the disorder even before the trauma and the trauma just is the last straw that broke the camos back for developing schizophrenia. What if u didn’t have any risks genetically to develop Schizophrenia and had a traumatic even happen such as child neglect and abuse . Could u still get schizophrenia? I ask Bc this is what happened to me but am going on 33 and don’t seem have developed this . Should I be concerned? Thanks btw for answering :)
I would say it all depends on your genetics. I cannot say yes or no as there is no research backing this. If you have the genetic makeup for schizophrenia it is possible you could develop it at any age. It usually doesn't emerge, however, at older ages. I think you would do better asking your doctor who has your full history. It's hard to say because everyone is different!
@@TherapistTamaraHill thanks
Criminals/ street dogs will call you delusional when you get to know the truth. If the truth comes out they would be behind bars. They don’t wanna loose their victim coz how else will they ever lash out their ugly feelings on innocent people.
so theres no real definative between ptsd and sciziophrenia because Psychosis can bring on ptsd .. i dont get it lol
Misdiagnosis is extremely harmful! I've been through different levels of psychosis. Mine are from PTSD & drugs. I'm very prone to drug induced psychosis. I was self medicating in my early years. Methamphetamine induced psychosis & benzodiazepine withdrawal psychosis were by far the worst! That's when I was going through my car & house looking for cameras & microphones. I slept with a weapon near me. I even thought my own husband was trying to hurt me. I heard him talking about it to his friends. That's what I actually heard. It wasn't what they were talking about though. I still experience psychosis from time to time but it's not on that level thank God!
Psychiatric meds can also trigger psychosis. Starting or stopping an SSRI will do it. Benzodiazepine long term use & improper tapering also induced it.
So what I'm left with is an extreme phobia of psychiatrists & medications. I tried to get help but little did I know that was about to make things worse. I do take zoloft now but I get that from my GP. I don't trust psychiatrists anymore. They terrify me! I do have a therapist I talk to but that's it. I manage like that. I do daily yoga & meditation. I changed my diet. Basically I learned what my triggers were. A poor diet can exacerbate symptoms, hormonal changes, stress, poor sleep schedule, etc. I can stay on top of it that way. 💜
How does one prove negligence or malpractice against state doctors who misdiagnosed schizophrenia and treated with heavy dose of clozapine and flupenthixol for 5.5 years comatose sedantary, gain 72kg, called delusional and treated until they said they'd stop demanding to see records or see how the diagnosis was confirmed or to see treatment plan. A year off of medication have appointment with regional director, regional director says i was misdiagnosed and c-ptsd was correct diagnosis, but refuses to put it in writing or too upset the status quo. Wont share information that could be valuable to me or that could be used against them. How does one beat this game/systems that ruin already f'd up broken peoples lives? Can they really say they couldn't take any chances because your a 6ft 2 black man who had an argument with a 5ft 50ish year old white woman? No history of violence against women? does disobedient/unpredictable=delusional/psychotic? if a therapist is liable for litigation and losing her license because she failed to acknowledge that she was out of her depth, and had the patient misdiagnosed, hospitalized and treated with sedatives for over 5 years to undermine his ability to get his records from her or the psychiatrists because they can just say that he's psychotic, and its too risky, when they refuse to produce the treatment plan!!! its malpractice!!! how is it too risky for a patient to understand their treatment plan or diagnosis? how does a patient force full disclosure which is their human right, when the doctors refuse to even entertain the possibility of disclosure. could you acquire my treatment plan and tell me that im delusional and paranoid, just for my peace of mind please?
I had tardive dyskenesia in my right hand about a decade ago, but I resolved it by increasing my activity level. It was the only time in my life that I got passes from gay men. I like gay people very much so it didn't upset me. I'm sure the dyskenisa was caused by PTSD. My mind was constantly sending fight impulses to my hand. To be certain gay people didn't help or hurt the situation. They're basically nice people. 😂
This sounds like my friends experience- she was a very loving sensitive child brought up by an undiagnosed mentally ill mum - who made her sniff amphetamines at age 5-6 ,she was then s abused by her mums boyfriend. Moved in with her dad who glorified drugs to her, gave her weed and MDMA from age 12 - he is also undiagnosed mentally il and would berate her all the time. At 16 she got raped , got arrested while under the influence- and i believe wrongly diagnosed with psychosis/schizophrenia and has been in psychiatric hospitals since- no one has her true background cos her parents dont know about the rapes- they actually tried to perform an exorcism on her??? Themselves???So her Drs know nothing about all this and my friend probably cant even remember now- its a disaster
RFS
I am labeled both Schizoaffective disorder bipolar type and CPTSD among a couple of things... this is very interesting and I want to pay attention.. but please can you stop making that smacking sound every time you start to talk? Please... I have severe Misophonia and I am just unable to watch this video... but I really want to.. please consider trying to stop doing this.. I know I'm not alone with misophonia.. thank you