Indigenous Pets, Specialized Weapons, and Site Disturbance: Ask An Archaeologist #7

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  • Опубликовано: 4 янв 2025

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  • @EchoLog
    @EchoLog Год назад +14

    As a Cajun with a lot of Jewish friends, I'll confirm "just liked the taste" is often hereditary either genetic or cultural. Sometimes your mama just liked that a lot and so you do too, sometimes youre wired the same as your mama and so you're predisposed to need it, and sometimes the way your family lives makes it end up the same. Many paths to the same peak.
    Food and culture and language are a beautiful knot that history ties.
    Shout out to all those kids that drank the juice when the pickles were gone. Bigger shout out to people who like dehydrated shrimp.

  • @AncientAmericas
    @AncientAmericas Год назад +6

    Love it when you answer these questions! They were really good ones.

  • @FriendofOnas
    @FriendofOnas Год назад +13

    I'd love to get a full length video about more of the agricultural and horticultural information. Thanks for sharing!

  • @lezardvaleth2304
    @lezardvaleth2304 Год назад +6

    Great to have you back, Nathanael.

  • @pedrosampaio7349
    @pedrosampaio7349 Год назад +17

    Interesting that some eastern woodlands people kept bears for ritual feasting, sounds very similar to something the Ainu in Hokkaido (Japan) would do in the past

  • @kariannecrysler640
    @kariannecrysler640 Год назад +5

    Thank you so much for the update on the copper 😊

  • @travissmith7753
    @travissmith7753 Год назад +1

    Below my grandparents home in Mid Tennessee on Roaring River, there is whats always been called Copper Bluff and its amazing to see how our indigenous people sourced copper here!

  • @moensbruno
    @moensbruno Год назад +3

    I wanted to say thanks. I'm actually reading the article you described as "gold". I'm only at page 50 so far and I love the part where pictograph making is described. You basically draw your face by mostly depicting your face tattoos and then the object that is your name above your head. Awesome

  • @virginiawatson153
    @virginiawatson153 Год назад +2

    Reading "To Render the God of Water..." Fascinating material. Interesting to me that many Woodland culture practices correspond to those of Indians in Southern California, my area of interest. Thank you so much. 😊🥰

  • @goodlifegreenscapesbrecken5928
    @goodlifegreenscapesbrecken5928 Год назад +2

    Man, just hearing you talk about hunting parties to get bison and mammoths gives me a primal hankerin' in my soul for a taste of mammoth

  • @closertohome-b7m
    @closertohome-b7m 2 месяца назад

    I love the Q and A sessions......Thanks

  • @aaron4wilkins
    @aaron4wilkins Год назад +1

    I used to live in a California town in San Luis Obispo County called Los Osos. When the first Spanish exposition went through and contacted the Indigenous inhabitants they were ritually feasted There were bears that were kept in the village that were slaughtered and served for the meal The Spanish chronicelers wrote of it in their journal

  • @ferengiprofiteer9145
    @ferengiprofiteer9145 Год назад +1

    Interesting about clay soils and cracks. A large oak fell on my place and pulled a large plug of ground up with it's roots. As weather cleans the roots and they rot away, the artifacts, fossils, whatever will be stirred and confused.

  • @aviarlover3645
    @aviarlover3645 Год назад

    I recently found 3 points right up against tree trunks, obviously being pushed up by roots as you said.

  • @kimlewis5429
    @kimlewis5429 Год назад

    Poverty point is one of the trips I want to make this year. I live near New Orleans, .. will be a nice trip .

  • @flash_flood_area
    @flash_flood_area Год назад +2

    I love your videos, thanks!

  • @earthknight60
    @earthknight60 Год назад +7

    It's thought that the ancestors of the Channel Island Fox (Urocyon littoralis), off the Santa Barbara shore in California, were introduced by native people, possibly as pets or for spiritual reasons, so foxes should be added to the list of possible indigenous pets/captive animals.
    Collins, 1991 "Interaction between the island foxes (Urocyon littoralis) and Indians on islands off the coast of southern California. I Morphologic and archaeological evidence of human assisted dispersal"
    Rick, et al. 2009 "Origins and antiquity of the island fox (Urocyon littoralis) on California's Channel Islands"
    Hofman, et al. 2015 "Mitochondrial Genomes Suggest Rapid Evolution of Dwarf California Channel Islands Foxes (Urocyon littoralis)"

  • @Dave-bt8pm
    @Dave-bt8pm Год назад

    Love your work! Please do a video about examples of how an archaeology site is found. How do you know where to dig? How is a site reported to archeologists and protected from the amature public? What laws (state/federal) help or perhaps hurt professional archeologists? How do we help you without hurting the cause? Cheers mate!

    • @NathanaelFosaaen
      @NathanaelFosaaen  Год назад +2

      I have one about the site identification process already.

  • @T-Ashley
    @T-Ashley Год назад

    Just stumbled onto your channel and I love it. I have a question that has intrigued me for a while and I've gotten different answers from different people. Do you think that one specific culture made only one type of projectile point/blade? I've heard this being said by archaeologists before but I just don't know. Being a flint knapper myself, I'm constantly making different types of points and blades for different purposes. Maybe you could use this question in your next Q/A video. Thanks

    • @NathanaelFosaaen
      @NathanaelFosaaen  Год назад

      The we call that the "one point one people" model and it's frequently bogus.

    • @T-Ashley
      @T-Ashley Год назад

      Thanks for the reply

  • @maecenus778
    @maecenus778 Год назад

    Cool Iron Maiden shirt!
    Have you ever encountered any upper Paleolithic / pre Clovis artifacts in your time in the field?

    • @NathanaelFosaaen
      @NathanaelFosaaen  Год назад

      Well we don't have an upper Paleolithic in America. Pre-clovis is really hard to identify without carbon dates in the east because it looks a lot like later cultures.

  • @laurenclobb
    @laurenclobb 6 месяцев назад

    i've read that the indigenous in my region at the great lakes farmed and kept turtles as pets , which would make sense as they'd be easy to manage . knowing the different turtles of the area i'd guess 'wood turtles' would have been best suited , they don't snap, and are sociable with humans.

  • @Antaios632
    @Antaios632 Год назад

    I would *love* for you to do a video on what we know about chunkey.

    • @NathanaelFosaaen
      @NathanaelFosaaen  Год назад +2

      Great idea! That's way later than what I generally work on but I could talk to some colleagues about it.

    • @glory7111
      @glory7111 Год назад +1

      That would be cool!

  • @smokeeater8387
    @smokeeater8387 Год назад +1

    Awesome brother👍🇺🇸

  • @davidcurry9292
    @davidcurry9292 6 месяцев назад

    Your Iron Maiden shirt is way cool! We would have a lot in common out in the feild,other than your a professional ,I’m am not. Lol

  • @Eyes_Open
    @Eyes_Open Год назад

    I read a study ~2 years ago that proposed that hunting of mammoths was less common than typically believed. This was based on numbers of broken Clovis points at mammoth kill sites compared to broken points at bison kill sites. The bison sites contained a larger number of broken tips so they concluded that mammoth sites represented opportunistic butchering sites rather than kill sites. Opinions?

    • @NathanaelFosaaen
      @NathanaelFosaaen  Год назад +3

      Yeah lipids analysis also suggests that mammoth kills were a special occasion.

    • @myboloneyhasafirstname6764
      @myboloneyhasafirstname6764 Год назад

      I always thought it was unnecessary to risk life and limb for a mammoth when there were so many other fat and juicy megafauna roaming around.

  • @Paulsinke
    @Paulsinke Год назад

    Is there any evidence that some of these projectile points are actually other tools? I've seen some in a local museum that are very asymmetrical, they were all labeled as projectile points but is it possible some of them are drills or scalpels or something?

  • @thedwightguy
    @thedwightguy Год назад

    it was a test of skill in Edmonton in GRADE THREE to hand catch Richardson's ground squirrels. I caught a coyote pup. I have the scar above my eye to prove it. I was THE MAN for months in grade three.!!!!!

  • @daveharrison84
    @daveharrison84 Год назад +1

    I like their turkey farming strategy. Modern farming: you raise one bird, you eat one bird. Their farming: you raise one bird, you eat many birds.

  • @skybluskyblueify
    @skybluskyblueify Год назад +1

    So bobcats are just too wild no matter how it is tamed and they may be of little use?

  • @louistenaglia410
    @louistenaglia410 8 месяцев назад

    Can you explain the spread of red earth burials. Asia to America, Europe to America, all simultaneous, America to Europe or to Asia?

    • @NathanaelFosaaen
      @NathanaelFosaaen  8 месяцев назад

      What's a "red earth burial"? Are you talking about red ochre? That didn't spread at the same time at all. Red is associated with blood, which is fundamentally associated with life and death. Ochre is a common natural pigment all over the world, so naturally, it gets associated with burials from time to time and place to place.

    • @louistenaglia410
      @louistenaglia410 8 месяцев назад

      @@NathanaelFosaaen Thank you, I did mean red ochre burials. I did not know it was a worldwide thing. OK, with a place like Cahokia maybe being 20,000 people, how would they have been able to transport all of the food, and other stuff to build such a community without beasts of burden, domesticated animals, and the use of the wheel. and yet have the time to build such incredible monuments?

    • @NathanaelFosaaen
      @NathanaelFosaaen  7 месяцев назад

      @louistenaglia410 another good question! They did have dogs which they used as pack animals. We know this because of regular deformities in the dog's spinal column. Also, Cahokia sits at the confluence of several rivers, so transportation of supplies by boat was extremely feasible.

    • @louistenaglia410
      @louistenaglia410 7 месяцев назад

      @@NathanaelFosaaen Hi Nathaniel. Thanks for the answer. To pose another question, does science have any answers to just who some of the descendant peoples of places like Poverty Point, Cahokia, Ohio Mound Builders, etc. through archaeology? To sort of reverse engineer the question, can the descendant language groups give hint of those peoples whether ity would be Siouxan, Mississipian, Iroquoian, Algonquin, etc.? Are there native oral traditions that would claim ancestral connections to more ancient cultures?

  • @ChiefCowpie
    @ChiefCowpie Год назад +2

    I’ve read warriors with bi-polar symptoms were chosen to hunt the wooly mammoths. It’s sad we don’t have this species around anymore so now we have to medicate them.

  • @Strider_Bvlbaha
    @Strider_Bvlbaha Год назад +1

    I've heard from elders that blowgun darts were occasionally poisoned--but I've never heard anyone say with what or why so I'll bet most of the knowledge surrounding that was either intentionally obscured during Removal or the plants/animals used simply don't live this far west, thus the practice died out. A lot is remembered about shocking/killing fish with different biologics that are more rare here (SE Oklahoma) than our homelands (Mississippi/Alabama). I get the feeling poised darts either started off with or developed a negative connotation and did not survive much past the Civil War (I have heard multiple times that poisoned darts were used during the Civil War in IT; however it's usually in context of "that's how desperately bad things got here, people were using questionable methods of war"). We primarily make blowgun darts with sharpened cane points, so I'd bet there is very little in the archaeological record to find and test!
    I've heard the ultra small arrow points were used for fishing, but also that a human can be taken out with a surprisingly small arrow point (much thinner skin than most game animals, no thick protective fur, and more exposed vital organs), and some that are identified as 'bird points' were actually war points.

    • @NathanaelFosaaen
      @NathanaelFosaaen  Год назад +1

      That civil war info is rad! Thanks for your input.

    • @rockysexton8720
      @rockysexton8720 Год назад +1

      The Houma tribe of Louisiana (originally Miss. I think) were still using blowguns in the late 19th/early 20th centuries. But I haven't read up on the topic enough to know if they ever used poison.

    • @Strider_Bvlbaha
      @Strider_Bvlbaha Год назад

      @@rockysexton8720 A lot of Southeastern folk still use blowguns for squirrel (and some bird) hunting to this day, but you don't need to poison darts for small critters. I'm positive they did use poison darts at some point as they're culturally contagious with my nation, but you're not likely to ever come across anything more than an oblique mention of it in the historiography.

    • @rockysexton8720
      @rockysexton8720 Год назад

      @@Strider_Bvlbaha Might be something in the works of either John Swanton or James Mooney's extensive works on southeastern U.S. regarding the historic use of poison. My only experience with Native Americans in that area was briefly rubbing elbows with some Houma and Koasati. The topic of blowguns never came up but it wasn't something that I knew enough about to even delve into.

    • @Strider_Bvlbaha
      @Strider_Bvlbaha Год назад

      @@rockysexton8720 Swanton barely makes mention of either blowguns (cites Cushman to dismiss them as essentially the toys of children) or poison. There's an assertion that springs were poisoned as an act of war, but I'm a little suspicious on that myself.
      I'm not real familiar with Mooney's work the way I am Swanton. I know for certain Swanton was deliberately fed false info in a few cases, so everything he records has to be sifted and considered (and what didn't get recorded should be considered, too. If it seems odd Swanton did not mention a topic in detail, there was probably a reason he did not have any details to record).

  • @houseofsolomon2440
    @houseofsolomon2440 8 месяцев назад

    I tell myself kids used bird points around the ranch to hunt mice, rats, & chipmunks 😄

  • @myboloneyhasafirstname6764
    @myboloneyhasafirstname6764 Год назад

    Who remembers the show, “Gentle Ben”?

  • @jimmartinette9655
    @jimmartinette9655 Год назад

    In terms of copper artifacts: We found a Native American burial many years ago here in Virginia Beach off of Great Neck rd, just above the Chesapeake Bay. The find was called the "Great King of Great Neck." The excavation I believe was conducted by The Virginia Archeology Society (not sure who it was that was in charge), nevertheless, the body was excavated. The body was covered in copper beads, which helped to somewhat preserve the remains. I was privileged to see the body one night after a Society meeting. The remains were being housed in the basement of one Mr. Floyd Painter ( Archeologist without portfolio), which was shocking to me. To see the remains of this man's body of importance laying on a table, unprotected, among the disheveled trash and tons of artifacts just laying around was very alarming and concerning to me. Is this the normal behavior of Archeological Societies for excavations of importance? I quit going to meetings after that, realizing that these people were nothing more than relic hunters, and much below my expectations.

    • @NathanaelFosaaen
      @NathanaelFosaaen  Год назад +1

      Yeah that's completely unacceptable.

    • @jimmartinette9655
      @jimmartinette9655 Год назад

      It would be a good thing to hear you speak on the ethics in Archeology.
      @@NathanaelFosaaen

    • @NathanaelFosaaen
      @NathanaelFosaaen  Год назад

      I think you're probably the only one.

  • @raykinney9907
    @raykinney9907 Год назад

    I have read a few papers recently, describing evidence of paleo use of toxicants for placement on projectile points. And, there appears to be evidence of such weapons being utilized in the Japan and Kamchatka region for hunting marine mammals. Some of the research suggested potential poisoning technology moving around the Pacific Rim down the kelp highway with first peoples. I'll try locating my notes on this information, but also about new technology advances in determining DNA and other residues on a wide range of points.With such a reliance on foods and medicinal plants, there must have been utility of may plant materials capable of altering game physiology enough to more safely and easily approach them for harvest. Then too, thinking about dragging a sled load of meat back to camp, with some huge fierce megafauna predators looking for easy pickings, sends chills up my spine. How frequent did similar chills raise the hair on the necks of paleo hunters being closely followed and harassed by a pack of dire wolves? Wouldn't it be handy to be carrying a pouch of plant toxins capable of being slipped into pieces of meat dropped in the trail behind to delay and sicken predators?

    • @raykinney9907
      @raykinney9907 Год назад

      This citation leads to several others.
      Poison, plants and Palaeolithic hunters. An analytical method toinvestigate the presence of plant poison on archaeological artefacts
      Valentina Borgia
      a
      , Michelle G. Carlin
      McDonald Institute for Archaeological Research, University of Cambridge, United Kingdom
      b
      Department of Applied Sciences, Northumbria University, Newcastle upon Tyne, United Kingdom

  • @TerribleShmeltingAccident
    @TerribleShmeltingAccident Год назад

    how does one become an archaeologist like yourself?

    • @NathanaelFosaaen
      @NathanaelFosaaen  Год назад +3

      An overabundance of education usually. I got my BA in it from Appalachian State and worked in the field for seven years before getting my Master's degree.

    • @MrSCOTTtheSCOT
      @MrSCOTTtheSCOT Год назад

      Maybe join an archaeological society, maybe tag along on witnessing digs, apply for courses , online self taught , then maybe distance learning courses from various educational facilities, then if you want, apply for a full term course if you want technical accreditation at a university that appeals to you or facilitates your travel time unless you decide to relocate to study . But as with all archaeology , generalisation and specialisation, are there time periods you have particular interest in to focus your learning time towards.., there's a lot of time to dig through out there.

    • @TerribleShmeltingAccident
      @TerribleShmeltingAccident Год назад

      @@NathanaelFosaaen ty for responding my friend! at 38 i wonder if its too late for me, but being an archeologist is my dream!

    • @-_8809
      @-_8809 Год назад

      @@NathanaelFosaaeneducation? Or abusive indoctrination?
      A bit of both in my experience.
      Check out the book Disciplined minds - Jeff Schmidt

    • @NathanaelFosaaen
      @NathanaelFosaaen  Год назад +2

      @Jimmy Burton my friend Dan didn't get his degree until he was in his 40s and he's an archaeologist for Fish and Wildlife now.

  • @interstellarsurfer
    @interstellarsurfer Год назад +4

    Appalachian sources? Copper Hill, baby.

  • @stupidminotaur9735
    @stupidminotaur9735 Год назад +1

    2. things would farming fishes/turtles/crayfish be considered pets??? eh. and 2nd. thing is New research is suggesting that Direwolves survived much longer than original thought in the appalachians, any other late surviving megafauna you now of in certain places??

    • @NathanaelFosaaen
      @NathanaelFosaaen  Год назад +4

      I wouldn't consider those things pets, and I don't actually think keeping bear cubs for later feasting counts as a pet either. Title cards are just marketing. As for the second question. I know that there were pocket populations of mammoths that lasted on islands around Alaska until the Hypsithermal, so there's that for sure.

    • @ronpflugrath2712
      @ronpflugrath2712 Год назад

      Moma bear would love you pests bears need snacks you are part of the food chain no exclusives

  • @Lumpy1983
    @Lumpy1983 Год назад

    What is your take on b Americans claiming to be the real indigenous people of the America's. I see it as disinformation. What is your real take on it?

  • @davidcurry9292
    @davidcurry9292 6 месяцев назад

    Your Iron Maiden shirt is way cool! We would have a lot in common out in the feild,other than your a professional ,I’m am not. Lol