The Dodge Charger Is Dead: Here's Why I am INCREDIBLY Sad About It!
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You can find plenty of them at the repo lot
Bam
As well as many other car brands @ the repo lot, Even Mercedes, Toyotas, Hondas, Mazdas, pick ups, SUV's I could go on & on, I'm very familiar with the business........
The discontinuation of these beasts will forever be known as The Great Mistake.
Dodge/Stellantis had plenty of opportunity to keep making them, but they can't. They don't meet fleet average economy and emissions numbers and can't even sell a decent portion of their vehicles in 15 states as of a few weeks ago. Chevy can sell me Camaro ZL1 or an Escalade V because they sell the Bolt and Lyriq. Ford can sell me a Bronco Raptor or an F150 Raptor R or Navigator because they sell the Mach-E and Escape Hybrid. Dodge/Stellantis just... doesn't really have anything to boost their corporate numbers, hell, they've been paying Tesla BILLIONS of dollars over the past decade because they've been lagging behind on emissions and needed to buy their credits
@@Black-Villain The answer to that shouldn't be to kill a product your customers love, it's to balance the equation with the electric stuff. this is their own fault for poor planning and not looking forward. they kept milking their cash cows and didn't invest in new powertrains or chassis for a long time. this charger is built on a 30-year-old chassis, this vehicle is essentially the same thing that came out in 2011 with design changes and power additions (hellcat). the 5 engines stellantis has, hellcat 6.2L, 6.4L, 5.7L, 3.6L, and the 2L (a real small number considering some competitors offer that on single vehicles) are used in all their products no matter the size, with just slight tuning changes. They're doing an almost clean slate renewal of their products because of how old all of them are.
Amén.
I would argue that the mining of fossil fuels and the resulting damage to the land, sea, and air is the greatest mistake humankind has ever committed.
@@simrantoor85 I completely get what you're saying, but honestly i think it's too late for Stellantis to even consider doing that. EPA and CARB rules are tightening on passenger cars within the next 5 years, and they aren't even launching any EV products in North America within the next 16ish months as far as I know.
If they were willing to pull from the Euro branch of Stellantis, or had EV stuff ready to go or already on sale, things might be different. But as it is, I don't think they could justify the engineering cost for a new-gen ICE Charger/Challenger when they're quite a ways off of having a significant percentage EV/Electrified fleet to help their averages and therefore are going to accrue more fines or pay more emissions credits until they get to that point.
Every time I see one of these I think of bank repos and donuts in the middle of an intersection while the passenger fires off rounds and bystanders are knocked into air like bowling pins
Yeah, good times
The issue isnt the cheap materials, we all know it's a muscle car. The interior just isn't laid out well, it's not cohesive. It's even worse in the Chrysler 300. It doesn't look fancy, or aggressive: it just looks thrown together and mish mashed.
Disagree.
I rented a V6 Charger in 2006 when it first came out and it was a dog. Build quality, interior design/materials, ride & handling......all bad.The Charger was based on the Chrysler 300 which came out two years earlier and, going back further, that was based on some of the architecture of the Mercedes Benz E series from the 1990's. In many ways, the Charger, particularly in the more common Pentastar version, is an antique. Like it or not, Dodge can't guarantee its continued existence if it's based on nostalgia or a small-volume segment of the automotive world.
That is the most beautiful car in the most beautiful shade of blue that I’ve ever seen in my life.
Nobody asked for Dodge to stop making these great cars. It isn’t fair that these cars have to die for the less than 1% that want EVs.😔
Trust me they aren’t getting rid of them because of the evs. It’s another issue
@@ttamcc.4674 What then?
I'd argue it's less fair that future generations will have to deal with the ecological damage caused by their parents who mined and burned fossil fuels, raising the average temperature of the planet and poisoning the food and water supply with microplastics.
@@mrgurulittle7000 Government.
@@dustdevl3404 Ohh… Fcking liberals!!🤬
Loved my 2012 Charger SRT8 until I traded it in last year. The problem with the Charger is that they didn't do much of anything to update it over the years. The one here has the same 392 as mine, with only 15 more HP. It is improved in the quarter...mine did 12.4, and this is now down to 11.7, mostly all because of better rubber.
Mine came fully loaded with adjustable modes for sport, track, etc. (including the suspension), heated/cooled cup holders, rain sensing wipers, remote engine start, heated steering wheel, all the same carbon fiber as here, performance pages/timers, etc. A lot of common stuff you see today, but ahead of it's time in 2012, and all for $50k.
@15:42 Ford Taurus and the word "fine" should never be in the same sentence... 🤣🤣🤣
Very Sad day indeed!
Great review Tommy.
And so what will Chrysler/Dodge be selling after the 300 and Charger are finished? So few models available from them anymore.
New Hornet SUV. New Stealth SUV. New I6 Hurricane Charger and Challenger coming out. Few cars in the pipeline.
Over 2 tones for a 5 seater sedan? I wonder why this plasticky inefficient monstrosity is out of the market. Also, all those vents are proof of how much heat is lost from the fuel tank to the wheels. Inefficient, badly built, outdated, heavy af... what's to like, right?
Marketing 101 - make more of what people want
Unfortunately that is not what will happen. I literally hope all the companies that go more EV than gas go out of business.
Seems like Toyota is the only company willing to say no to going all EV.
EVs are not going anywhere, but you better not drive a v6 talking crap about EVs.
Dodge is 💀
@@spcnearywhat does that even mean?
@@2dthoughts it means most of the people talking about how much they hate EVs drive the v6 version of a car that came with a v8 or a 4cyl turbo econobox.
I agree. Such a great car to see go, but I'm excited for the next generation as well.
Some police agencies are really going to miss these Chargers....
You pretty much hit the nail on the head. The fact that we will likely never see anything like these ever again (honestly, we were lucky to have a second muscle car era), is what prompted me to special-order my '22 Charger Scat Pack. I'm sad these cars are going away, but glad I was able to get a piece of the history before it went away forever.
Not worried about it. Chrysler will replace it with something with equal performance. Oh no, it's not got to make cool noises... Don't care. I car about horsepower and torque, not noise.
More EV fire death traps 🔥
Nice color of blue. If i heard correct, you said MADE IN BRAMPTON...Brampton or Bramladesh is about 1 hr drive from where i live.
That new Uconnect5 is a big PITA! We got a 2023 Jeep Grand Cherokee L with it. I'll take the Uconnect4 all day in my 2022 Charger Scat!
that 392 is a sweet engine, for sure one of the best sounding on the market, sad to see it go away with the LX cars
Everyone calls it slow comparing it to 10 speed camaros and mustangs. Were talking about a engine that hasn't had much updates since 2011. Back in 2015 theses were actually faster than the competition. Now they're outdated but still sell like crazy.
I’m not sad about the HEMI Chargers’ cancellation - actually more sad about Stellantis’ self-sabotage! But yeah, at this juncture there’ve been more than enough HEMIs hitting lots to meet market demand, IMO. I got my Widebody Scat Pack in ‘22 as a weekend car and will keep it nice, while it holds value, and keeps money out of the hands of dirty banks.
Super bee actually debuted in 1968 and production ended in 1971.
The Challenger & Charger are such great vehicles. I you don't like the interior just buy one with a better trim. The cars are so much fun. You can't see out of the Camaro, the mustang is nice but it's smaller and that doesn't sit well with some. Now the new Mustang has a gigantic stupid screen that distracts you from the open road. The price on everything is astronomical.
But the Mustang has a great advantage...it's still being manufactured...
These things have been around for so long- but its good that they're being replaced. How many copies of the same new car can you buy?
A four-door charger is about as stupid as if they made a four-door Corvette
It's not dead though. It's regrouping, and will come back in an even better form. Electric motors are the most deserving powertrain for a muscle car. Maximum torque from 0rpm. Better than an Eaton supercharger.
Yeah...and get a really long extension cord...
The V8 charger is dead. Remember the stellantis EV day over a year ago, Tim K showed of a tiny party of the next gen charger and it wasn't a banshee model.
Cadillac CT5 .Black wing and V series (not all ) is equal and better replacement ... after all Dodge 300 ... is a old Mercedes chassis (W210) with V8 which come from old Mercedes V8 technology as well .. ... Nothing American ... Only American design and made are V8 by Ford and GM and Cadillac V8 sedans with compressors are the last ones available on American made sedans ...
If true, sources say the inline slant six 225 supercharged engine will crush ford and chevy. And produce over 800 hp.
Now, there's a claim with a huge caveat at the beginning, "If true..." rendering it virtually nothing but pure speculation...
That dash sounded hollow…
What are the cops gonna do without their precious Chargers?!
I know one state agency is rumored to be moving to the Durango. I can’t imagine how gutless a Durango v6 is going to be when loaded down with police gear.
@@jeffs2809 I can't imagine that's going to be a great idea either, Durango production is most likely ending within the next year or two at most
It's time for this generation to go! The exterior is dated (13 years old) and the interior is cheap, no matter how you try to justify it. I'm not advocating for the Charger itself to go, I'd rather see a new generation, but FCA milked this as long as they could and it needs to be put out to pasture.
Is the model going away or just the V8 models?
All, the Brampton facility is being retooled IIRC. No doubt there will probs be a next-gen version of the Charger/Challenger, but who knows if it'll be full EV or Hurricane I6 or some kinda hybrid
Tommy, is it true that Dodge told you not to put the car into drag mode and not to talk about this option in detail in your video? Because the drag mode was in fact not on the car and they did not want people to know? People that are getting these cars are finding out NONE of them have drag mode. Try contacting your source to dig a little deeper. This is bull crap if true.
Yeah because when you get into a BMW or Mercedes and knock on the dash it doesn't make any noises lolololol yeah right. I'm gonna start doing that any time I get in a German car and be like yikes....not a good sound
German cars can be very quiet...especially when broken down
What bothers me the most is they still haven't even confirmed what will replace the Challanger and Charger. While its likely based off of the Daytona EV concept its still not a finalized product. And there is no way they can scale ev production to replace borh of these cars. They really are leaving their buyer base in the dark on this.
Love the shout out to Matt Watson’s stick of truth!!! It’s a sad time with the charger and challenger going away 😢
Love ‘‘em too
Call me crazy but i'm glad the Charger is going away. It's a powerful grocery shopper and nothing more. The Superbee was never a euro looking 4 door sedan. I just could never get over it. Call me a Purist or whatever, but Dodge confuses me sometimes in their decisions.
I will miss them.
im really wondering what highway patrols across the country are going to do. so many departments relied on the Hemi because its relatively good top speed and acceleration with reliability. I guess they'll have to get the explorer with the turbo motor.
So is the 5.7 RT going away or just the SRT's cause the law enforcement agencies purchase these yearly and I'm sure Dodge is gonna keep this body style for the government agencies with engine improvements to meet required standards. The interior size is what makes the cars very useful
Both, Hemi production is ending and they're retooling that factory for other products AFAIK
nice. so what is going to get people into the dodge dealer to buy ? once charger /challanger are gone
The v8 hemi is dead in dodges passenger cars not the cars themselves omfg
At least you could always buy used when production ends.
Until the government outlaws internal combustion engine vehicles all together!!!
This year, anyway, most dealers in my area are asking msrp or more for used (1-3 year old) charger & challenger 392’s. Some of the last call versions are getting $20k markups.
wish I could afford one, it may actually be a good investment, since they aren't making them anymore...
Ive always loved that car
Is the barracuda the next muscle car for dodge?
Barracuda was a model in the Plymouth line of automobiles. Do you think Stellanits is going to reuse the name for Dodge? Certainly an interesting twist on product management...
I had a 2015 Charger Rallye AWD V6 (the Rallye package had 300hp upgrade over the normal Pentastar). With the horsepower and the AWD, there were a lot of fun traffic light interactions. The car was great. We put over 130,000 miles on it and had very few issues. The car was comfortable and one of the best winter cars that I ever had. I always wanted one with a Hemi and contemplated getting one this year, but I bought a truck instead. Hopefully Dodge will debut a new version of the Charger/Challenger with the Hurricane engine for those that don't want to go EV. Dodge won't survive only offering the Hornet after the Durango goes away this year too.
It's an old car if the Ford Falcon XR8 & Holden Commodore HSV still made this Dodge Charger Hellcat would cross shopped with them
And they are having a difficult time selling anything/everything else🤣
Really smart move on their part!
Only people from the hood buying or stealing these cars nowadays. The srt8 era was dope when nobody cared about dodge except the real enthusiasts. 2014 when the hellcat came out it started going downhill to me.
@@joshlamar1990The Hellcat is when it started going up hill and getting real power, only difference is the people buying them from the hood are the only ones posting them on social media
@@firedemon2166 not in my opinion I hate the hellcats the srt8s was just simple and beautiful forget power.
@@firedemon2166 they are pretty popular here in Oregon and Washington.
@@joshlamar1990 Power is a big thing, even back in the day the most wanted cars were the most powerful, if you only want simplicity just get a base model and let everybody else get the fast ones
While it’s sad they’re discontinuing these vehicles and honestly can’t afford a brand new one of these beast I will wait til the end of the year or mid 2024 for a used one! Hopefully I get a good deal
I am not a car guy, but damn, give me this over a tesla any day.
I love the Super Bee, but I’d take a Tesla Plaid. 5 seats, 8.8 second, 161 mph quarter mile if given the choice.
@@davidholmer6099 I could care less how fast they are. Nothing else about it makes sense.
Tommy, one of your best vids yet. Nothing to do with the car really, just your description and information. Keep it up.
Sad! Can believe the Hemi Charger and Challenger are being killed.
It’s about time cars been on the market too long dodge been getting over on this old ass car.
@@joshlamar1990That would indicate it needed to be updated, not killed!
Multiple Dodge dealers around me have quit dealer ordering the hellcat versions back in 2018 because they couldnt sell them. I remember a dark green hellcat charger with bronze wheels and carbon fiber duel stripes sit on there lot for over a year not selling.
first the camaro was gone, now the charger, soon will be the mustang.. sad..
Yes, no more tickets!
Plot twist, ford brings the Ford Crown Victoria out of retirement.
Then go get it. SMH
Great review Tommy. I agree the Charger is a blue collar special with great performance/luxury value. I admire Dodge for the balls to sell such bad ass cars for years. Some day soon we will miss these road warriors. I mean what company has the “cojones” to sell a car with drag radials?!
😥😢😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭NOOOOOO
Tommy, you have come such a long way. Your reviews are very well thought out and non bias. Keep up the good work. I too will miss the Charger and Challenger. But I’m glad we had such a great run with them.
Great video Tommy and I agree with you I think its the best of the last call special editions
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Nice video presentation, Tommy. You made your position very clear on the end of the line for this generation of Charger. However, after seeing the electric concept car, I’m more enthusiastic about that one. I never have accepted a 4 door Charger, and wished that the Charger looked more like the Challenger, a 2 door coupe. When I was a high school senior, the ‘69 Charger was a true muscle car that looked and sounded the part. It was a different time and era in cars. I’d love to see that same concept car return in electric power, with even more responsive power. The loss of the gas engine rumble will require an adjustment, however. Thanks for another great video review.
“RIP A LEGEND” is what I do after eating broccoli, crab cakes, and hard boiled eggs for 24 hours.
This is destined to be one of those “collector cars” that will have a bunch of low mileage no real value cars at Mecum in 20 years due to the erroneous thoughts of today’s “speculators”.
Love that hemi sound!
If your gonna ditch the hood pins, don't get a super bee.
No! I said keep the hood pins, ditch the stupid cable ties. The pins are rad -Tommy
Well done Tommy... you got me wanting one now. Seriously.
Did not need Tommy to showcase this vehicle for me to want 1. lol These special machines, the V8's, the sound they produce, it is all American. This crap about going V6 and slapping turbos on is a joke.
So this means less aggressive driving and less hip hop pollution? Nice!!
The model is going away, not the people who drive them, unfortunately.
It will come around again. They will realize their big mistake. When sales drops off the cliff and realize what drew people in, they will bring it back. Just a marketing ploy to jack up prices on this era and then jack up prices when they start it up again.
The Charger and Challenger is not going away. They will be back for the next generation but it will be on the new stellalarge platform. It will be powered by the new 3.0L twin turbo hurricane i6.
RIP Dodge. I give them 5 years of electric garbage before disappearing forever.
Electric and twin turbo v6 , whatever in the jeep wagoner will be in the next upcoming models
Agreed. Tim Kuniski has killed Dodge and now will kill Ram.
The French has no love for America cars. They will destroy everything that makes mopar cars America with euro crap
I love the thumbnail tommy incredible job awesome video love ya bud
The ev is dead.
Put that thing to bed. Chargers shouldn’t have 4 doors to begin with. Every trashy neighborhood has atleast 2-3 of these
Then get a Challenger. Some of us needed the practicality of a 4 door, and still wanted to scoot when we weren't driving the wife and kids around. My '12 SRT was garaged in one of the most expensive neighborhoods in the country...go figure.
@@donwilber1628 I never said chargers aren’t in fancy neighborhoods. There’s just a lot of them on trash neighborhoods. I’m glad you’re happy with yours. Have a great day.
@@Bostonharborwater Well, that's just word games then, equating them with trashy things. Traded mine in last year for an $80k Bimmer, and still miss a few of the toys that my new car doesn't have...vented seats, chilled cup holders, automatic cruise control to name a few.
@@donwilber1628 great. 👍🏼
So Stellantis thinks they will sell more going all EV?
Don't think they have much choice any more, their fleet average doesn't meet emissions/economy standards. They've had plenty of opportunity over the past decade to invest in electrification of their commodity models to improve their averages but they really haven't (minus Pacifica Hybrid and Wrangler 4XE). As of a few weeks ago, they can't even sell a decent portion of their vehicles in 15 states because of emissions reasons, and over the past decade they've paid Tesla multiple Billions of dollars for emissions credits... they've had plenty of time to do something about it, but they haven't really for some reason
Dodge is dead. People don't want a EV muscle car in enough numbers to keep the brand alive. Imagine if Harley Davidson did the same thing, the brand would die off pretty quickly.
Thank god. No more slide shows
Good riddance
That hockey stick would look great in white.
Tommy, that interior is not a $64,000 interior.
More ice age crap. Dinosaur.
Now, what are they going to use to destroy propertie and live with?
Finally! Now what will ghettos of the world drive? Malibu? Altima?
Facts I’m so tired of seeing these cars.
But that's just the Mopar community, what about the car? The Challenger and Chargers are iconic, the Challenger was my second fav car 😔, I love Mopar but I don't love the Mopar community, but if you're a true car guy you would understand how legendary the Challenger and Charger are and you would miss the cars, Ik I do
Kia and Hyundai still around
Funny enough the Malibu seems to be a forgotten car no one talks about them that much
@@taylorward2983 I won’t miss it the car has been on the market for over a decade I was in high school in 09 when the srt8s started coming out dodge could have did a totally new car but they didn’t now these cars have a bad rap you have to basically babysit the car so it won’t get stolen.
It’s a scat pack who cares
I’m sure the cops will be glad when they’re gone. Seems like the wrong people get them and don’t know how to act.Mess it up for everybody.
A 4500lb rear drive car that can run 11's with less than 500hp is impressive
Very
Overrated cop car.
Imagine a car that didn't change body style for 12 years. Like a '48 Chevy being made in 1960. It represents Chrysler management's terrible mismanagement.
If it isn't broke don't fix it !
If the Challengers/Chargers sold as well as the CR-Vs, Rogues, and RAV-4s, they probably wouldn't be going away.
Yeah, because everybody needs a station wagon.
@@michaelbuteau4183 Based on the sales numbers, apparently they do.
Good, I'm glad to see it go. It's pretty SLOW for 2023 vehicles with all the electric models out. Make it electric.
Those whiney people need to go buy another vehicle. Folks who are buying the Super Bee are buying it for the perfomance and ehat happens at 7:38 of this video 😎 I am not a car guy per se’ BUT if I did need to buy a car it would be a Charger with that V8 😏
We still got the prius.
So sad to lose this car which will be replaced with EV heartless junk.
The real sad thing is there's no need to kill them there still selling strong..I hope the ev falls flat on its face lol
@@bigsmith7349exactly I hope Stellantis goes bankrupt!
@@bigsmith7349 They/Stellantis don't meet fleet average economy and emissions numbers and can't even sell a decent portion of their vehicles in 15 states as of a few weeks ago. Chevy can sell me Camaro ZL1 or an Escalade V because they sell the Bolt and Lyriq. Ford can sell me a Bronco Raptor or an F150 Raptor R or Navigator because they sell the Mach-E and Escape Hybrid. Dodge/Stellantis just... doesn't really have anything to boost their corporate numbers, hell, they've been paying Tesla BILLIONS of dollars over the past decade because they've been lagging behind on emissions and needed to buy their credits. Stellantis has had plenty of time and opportunity to boost their numbers, but they've not really been doing anything.
Its a Scat Pack with drag radials lol
Need to kill the electric vehicle crap and keep the big V8s
Huge mistake to stop making these V8 hot rods.
I hate to see the junk Dodge is going to replace it with.
If they thought their sales were down before just start putting a little in-line six cylinders in there.
I mean, even the coyote human traffickers would probably even stop buying them. Every Bordertown salvage lot has a couple of hundred Chargers wrecked out in their yards.
Let's be real, it's all about the V8 engines, which could be put in anything. The Charger itself is a bloated, poor-handling, ancient sedan with an outdated, low-quality interior. So tired of this car and the amoebas who drive them.
I never did like the remakes
The muscle cars of old are the best
Everything else is junk