Dodge Killed The Charger AND Challenger - Here's Why That's an Insane Decision!
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- Опубликовано: 15 авг 2023
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Never seen a company try harder to go out of business than Stellantis.
This is actually a perfect statement
Yeah that's not good or smart and how many compianes are they going to take with them?
It does seem that way.
True statement they finally built there car brand up and people loved them and now they get rid of them there idiots. Go get a jeep wagoneer for 115k lmfao
What do you expect when you put a European company in charge of American muscle.
RIP Dodge. You will be missed.
I am waiting to see that if within the next 5 years , people realize the whole EV craze is actually worse for the environment then any combustion engine. From the way the minerals are mined to make the batteries, to where are all the dead batteries going to go?
No, they aren't. Conservatives are just lapping up the petroleum industry propaganda.
It’s all forced planned obsolescence. A mutual agreement between the government and the automaker. Our country is a business and not a country, and it’s been starting to show more than ever before.
Now there are laws saying that gas cars will be banned from being sold in about 10 years from now… or even earlier.
I could not agree more on your statement. The public is being brainwashed to think long term environmental impacts will be less with battery powered vehicles, but that has not been conclusive.
Its all about virtue signaling leftists. They get on board of some cause that they think is good, and they make it a religion, and once it catches on in the public view, society gets dragged down along with it.
Not to mention the power grid to charge them is mostly fossil fuel
RIP Dodge
4 years ago, Challenger SXT was 27k, RT was 32k, Scat Pack was 40k and Hellcat was 60k. This year they were 32k and 42k, 60k and 72k. Price increase of the last few years was insane.
Unfortunately thats got to do with inflation too
Fed printing money is a major factor in inflation.
its actually got nothing to do with inflation. they overpricing dodge cars cause dumbfucks will buy them @@dannygallagher9290
Especially since these cars are the exact same as back then. Look at the interior and exterior of 2018 models and compare them to 2023 models. Besides the OPTIONAL AND MORE EXPENSIVE widebody configurations, they're literally the exact same vehicles.
In 2018 my Hellcat Charger cost $72,000. In 2021 my Redeye Charger was $90,000. Today a Hellcat Charger is $92,000 and the Redeye is $107,000! Just because they are Last call Jailbreaks!
Who thinks they will go bankrupt because of this?
It doesn’t even matter if they do, your tax dollars will bail them out. No matter how incompetent they are, they will never be held accountable.
none of them will go bankrupt from any of this....just look @ Budlight....there still make beer....the companys accept HUGH payoffs...(in the billions)...to push this shit....so...if it fails...they have the $$$$ to revent themselfs & stay in bussines....!....the ones that suffer is the consumer....we will no longer have a choice....it will be...take it the way it is weather u like it or....NOT...!...they should all go out of busness for sell'n out...!
Please. They’ll go bankrupt by keep making Hellcats lol
@@jaredchampagne2752Especially since the gov is pushing ev's, they dont care about dodge. When dodge fails, theres countless other manufacturers that make ev's anyway
Too big with so many brands sold globally. That Charger.... will have to be able to take ice to succeed
Glad I have my 2017 Challenger RT. I knew it was not going to last but thanks Dodge for bringing back the muscle car. I'll drive and enjoy it for many years to come
Dodge’s CEO, Tim Kuniski, Killed Dodge / Ram. RIP 💀
My first car was a 1971 Barracuda that I bought in 1977 for $1200 bucks...I was 18 years old. It had a bone stock 318 with a 3 speed manual on the floor. I was in college and had no money to put into making it go faster. I did get a set of ET cast aluminum slotted mag wheels with 60's on the rear and 70's on the front. The '71 Barracuda was the only year that had quad headlights, so when they brought back the Challenger it actually had proportions closer to the '71 Barracuda and reminded me of my first car. I hate to see them go. I like the fact that they virtually didn't change the exterior design for the entire run of the vehicle. I think that is a testament to the beauty, (and badass nature), the original design.
Growing up. When I thought of a muscle car, I thought of the cuda. It was the car my dad had. I was born too late to get one myself, so when they brought back the redesigned challenger, it was the closest I could get to it.
I’ll be sad to see the Challenger go.
My first one was a 72 cuda, followed by a 73 cuda.
you are partly right, but they had no money to make a new design because the charger/300/challenger is a German design. Diamer sucked off all the good assets from Chrysler and left a long time ago.
The Barracuda was and still is my all time favorite car by Dodge! That's saying a lot by me being a mustang man.
Young drivers are not driven to high powered cars.
They hate to work, so they get a job trudge off to it. And want to have the car drive them home..
Think I am wrong, let me know!
This will bite Dodge. I dont know anyone that wants an EV. I was just at a car show over the weekend and saw some really nice chargers and challengers and not one EV.
Doesn’t help that there are laws saying that gas cars will be banned from sale in about 10 years from now
that's only California right now. @@faheemabbas3965
Yeah, look at Tesla, total failure. Not like its the most valuable automotive brand in the world...
I agree. But government is going to ram this down our throats.
@@boogts Even if it is the people love dodge because of its nostalgic looks and amazing sound you will never get that out of the new cars
Whats funny is the main claim for the ev push is environmental damage, yet the production of evs have far greater impact on the environment than a gas car. Plus this anti co2 push is insane co2 is one of the building block of life and results in a greener planet.
Thank You! People just not getting it. The batteries alone are an enormous nightmare to maintain purchase and dispose of.
500,000 gallons of water per hour to mine lithium, that water carries toxic heavy metals back into the watershed. It is essentially strip mining, the heavy equipment used puts out more emissions in one week than a Toyota camry creates in a year.
Lithium is a finite resource, only 25 million tons exist on earth. Russia and China own 19 million tons. Estimated depletion of the world's lithium supply is 2045. Experts state that lithium mining is 100 times more harmful to the environment than drilling for oil.
Not true…do more realistic research about how long battery life is on Tesla and the company LiCycle that can recycle 95 percent of the materials of all batteries!
@@jayjones1665 key word is can. I work for Toyota and no most batteries are not recycled. Plus for every 1000 ev's Toyota builds they can build 3000 hybrids that's how much more resource intensive ev's are over even a hybrid let alone gas vehicles. Mining of things like kobalt and lithium damages the planet far more than CO2 in the air.
@@darkendbeing cobalt is being pushed out of the batteries progressively and if your worried about cobalt then maybe you should throw your mobile phone away as well? And initially mining has to happen for any resources including metals for your ice engine and you know you have terrible components in your battery in your ice engine as well so be real
For $42k, you can get a brand new Mustang with almost 500hp for the price of a base R/T. That does NOT make it affordable.
Mustang GT are worth barely 25k
The best car deal I ever got was at a Ford dealership. In 2/21, I bought a new 2020 Mustang GT, auto, base trim, black accent in Kona Blue paying $36,000 for it. I believe it was like $6,000 off the list. Afterall, I'm in the Northeast, and who wants a Mustang in February?
@@AStanton1966I basically got the same deal except in race red on a 2020. Got zero percent financing, too.
The average cost of a new car is over $40k. That price is considered affordable in todays market. Just because it might not sound affordable to you, that does not cover the entire market. For a new car 40-50k is affordable. Most new SUVs and Trucks are selling for 70-80k.
@@tri3pleagentzero percent financing is a gimmick, I’m sure its low, but no bank is loaning out money for ZERO return on investment, the interest is baked into the pricing of the car or the fees somewhere.
If you have to MANUFACTURE the exhaust sound; you don’t want it.
We need more Nathan and Andre videos.
Maybe have Joe Raiti as guest?
Dodge stopping V8 cars is like Subaru abandoning the boxer.
This was the end of Dodge and Chrysler as brands. Ram is not far behind. Jeep is still niche enough they might still be here in 10 years.
If you were trying to F*** it all up, you could not do a better job than Stellantis. From everything I am seeing, it sure looks like Dodge and Chrysler are headed for the dustbin of history. The jury is still out on Ram. The only division any money has been spent on is Jeep. However, even Stellantis itself looks to be in danger. Going all in on BEV's is a huge gamble that could very well backfire big time. I love the way Toyota is hedging their bets by going in on hydrogen. Think you guys could do something on Cummins development of a multifuel engine (including hydrogen)?
I think the reason why Stellantis/Dodge has been so quiet about replacing the Charger/Challenger is because they really don't know 100% themselves yet, and they know how important this will be to get right. You can bet that they're really having some meetings and deep discussion on this topic. They don't want to rush this. It's such a huge shift for this company who has been underpinned by V8 performance. It'll be whole new paradigm for Dodge.
The ceo said himself they already had an entire new design ready to go before they decided to push the ev only. I think that’s probably true and they will refresh them with twin turbo straight 6s that will out perform the hemis but they don’t want to announce that yet because they want to create FOMO and sell the last batch of v8s for as much as possible.
My take is that there's a war going on between Chryco and Stellantis. The Europeans are releasing their diktats and the US are pissed but don't have anything to back it up. I'm very sure that Chryco had no intentions of cancelling their RWD platforms until the final hour on 2030 or when the gov't forced them to. It's telling that there's nothing in the pipeline. You're not going to start pulling cars out of your ass. Where's the 2025 spyshots? Is RAM the only viable platform left? Earlier this year it was rumoured that RAM was being brought back into the fold of Dodge. Is it so Dodge has *something* to sell?
Nah they don’t even know, the heads of these car companies are completely and utterly incompetent, they are out doing bud light by dropping their two best selling vehicles at the drop of a hat. This is why they had to get bailed out by taxpayers, complete incompetence, they should’ve gone out of business decades ago, but the US government allows them to constantly destroy themselves and they’ll keep using taxpayer funds to bail them out.
@@Jay-bw3fl How much you wanna bet that their "new" designed is a rebadged Alfa Romeo or something derived from a Maserati/Fiat design. It wouldn't be bad if their quality wasn't garbage.
@@DJ2226 nah dodge exists solely because is these two cars. I would hope they care more than that. Of course the hornet is just a rebadge but that’s because dodge doesn’t care about it. That car isn’t going to sell and it’s strictly to get their cafe down
I will say it right now I don't think Dodge will survive beyond 5-6 years! Getting rid of there halo cars and not have a replacement already is the biggest mistake an automaker can do! As much as people Bash on Ford, I am sure that they had it right slowly stay bringing in turbocharged engines and incorporate them into the line up! Who ever is running Dodge needs to be fired and they need to put some one in charge to save Dodge! Well may you rest in peace Dodge!
Agreed. GM, Ford, and Stellantis have all put themselves on the highway to hell---of lost profits, lost customer loyalty, of lost corporate existence. EVs being forced on buyers is a strategy of fools.
What can they do , the government is forcing this .
Actually, the Challenger name was first used by Dodge in 1959 as a “spring” trim package. As for Charger, it was first used in 1965 as a Dart performance trim package, The Dart Charger. So the first used name by Dodge was the Challenger.
It's the end of an era, of large, powerful, and afforable perfomance sedans, and big, powerful coupes, as well.
The ceo said himself they already had an entire new design ready to go before they decided to push the ev only. I think that’s probably true and they will refresh them and it will be with the new twin turbo straight 6s that will out perform the hemis but they don’t want to announce that yet because they want to create FOMO and sell the last batch of v8s for as much as possible.
Probably correct
@@Mrwaffleandmilk what you just said is completely irrelevant to my comment.
@@Mrwaffleandmilkit's a 3L inline 6 being used in tons of their cars already
Glad I ordered my 2023 Scat-pack shaker last fall when the last call 2023 order bank opened up last fall.
What a great car. Very sad to see them ending. Very happy I got mine just in time.
I make the half shafts for these and as of January 1st we won't be making any more 😢
what is the company called? These are on the IRS rear on Dodge?
How can dodge survive? The hornet is a terrible car.
Also, hold out hope that they’ll come back if the market forces them they will bring them back, it also because I just saw an article I yesterday saying that Mercedes is bringing back their TwinTurbo V8s to the AMG models in 2025/2026 after they discontinued them
EPA and CAFE are 100% responsible. Don't blame Dodge. Vote next year...
Find the old Hellcat and buy it back! I wonder where it’s at and how it’s doing. People may watch it more now.
EV's arent selling. Lots around midwest are full of them. They just sit there. The public is NOT asking for EV. Only the government is.
One of the loudest noises in the room is the totally dead silence from 🎉the Chrysler brand. There ain’t gonna be any more of those after the Pacifica goes away. The 300 is gone and there has not been as much as a tweety bird cheep about anything in the pipe line for that historic brand.
The only distinction between Chrysler and Dodge badged vehicles is the marketing campaign/style they each use, and this has been the case for decades, even back to when Plymouth was just closing down.
No difference in engineering or production or even the majority of design. Nothing that actually makes vehicles unique.
Isn't this nearly every car manufacturer, though? Ford, GM, Toyota, Honda, and VW do the same.
Navigator/Expedition, Escalade/Tahoe/Yukon, A3/Golf/Octavia, Camaro/Firebird, Avalon/ES, TLX/Civic, LC Prado/GX, Land Cruiser/LX.
Not really, at least for the past decade or 2. The only one super guilty of something similar is GMC/Chevy pickups, but even then they redesign vehicles, and reengineer vehicles on the same platform (CT4+5 vs Camaro, Cadillac leaps ahead of Chevy/gmc brother models, etc). Most Automakers have realized customers see through badge engineering and they need to actually make related cars different enough in features, quality, and design. Change the dash material, seats or design, suspension hardware, add tech, change the door card or trim materials, etc. Dodge/Chrysler is just selling the Charger with a different grill and trunk as the 300 without any other changes other than a limit on the engine option.
The Integra is the only Acura that is really shared with Honda model for model but even then the Integra has significantly improved interior materials, sound deadening, unique exterior body panels and profile, and better tech and dampers over the civic. The TLX is on a different platform than the Accord and the interior shares nothing either. MDX and the Honda pilot are on the same platform but they're completely different bodies and designs aside from both being 3 row SUVs. Could go into other brands but this is long enough already.
Chrysler/Dodge is stuck in that mindset of the brands being two different coats of paint on the same car, and it's worse now that their lineups are so small. Go back even a few years to the T&C/Caravan or the Chrysler 200/Dart. Or possibly the most blatant: The Dodge, Plymouth, and Chrysler Neons. They might as well just be one company with a 5 vehicle lineup, some Spicer than others. I don't see Chrysler lasting too much longer, and I see Dodge picking up the Pacifica when that does happen.
@@markcoopers1930 ...GM/Ford were the same...Cavalier/Sunfire some model years it was just a grille and badge swap..Ditto Ford Escort and Mercury LYNX..Grand Marquis and Crown Victoria,Town Car etc...Even Honda/Acura,Toyota/Lexus..All companies do this..
Chrysler and Dodge were different the Chrysler minivans were more luxurious..The Charger and Challenger differ from the 300 as the 392 and Hellcat are only in the Dodge version..
@@mypronouniswtf5559 Mercury? The Sunfire? Obviously this went on on the 80-90's, we're talking modern times. 2010 forward. That's 40-50 years in the past, it has no bearing on current automotive industry.
Swapped a door insert from hard plastic to one that's soft plastic or leather but the exact same shape and design is not "luxurious". They do the same thing when you step up on trim on an Accord. Cadillac has been blasted for this over this since the 2010's and with the new Escalade they finally took the hint that it can't just be a fancy Suburban. Compare the two interiors side by side and it's night and day.
And limiting the engine doesn't change the car. It has all the same chassis and layout and engineering underneath. Without the badging and that clock stuck into the charger dash as an afterthought, there'd be no way to tell you were in a Chrysler 300 or a Charger from the driver's seat. It's effectively a 15 trim car, where 4 of the trims are offered with the Chrysler badge. It's that blatant.
The Caravan and the T&C were blatant copies of each other. Furthermore, you could still get leather seats and upscale amenities in the Caravan so the only thing "luxurious" about the Chrysler was the advertisement trying to tell people it was. The Pacifica is an actual fresh design ground up engineering and design -wise and it shows.
EH from 🇨🇦. I work for the Tier 1 supplier which makes the seats for these vehicles. As of today our last production day is Dec 22 . Then we are done.
What do you mean by done?
@joetz1 The Brampton plant, which makes the Charger, Challenger, and 300 stops making ICE cars this year.
@@blainesleep does that mean you are going to lose your job? Or will they build something else at that factory instead
Electric is already on the downfall. The fad is over
Would love to see an episode going through the top 10 most popular TFL vehicles.
What Trucks or Cars did the best viewer performance wise for the TFL network of channels.
I find that to be a very interesting topic.
So Ford is still pushing hard with their new gen Mustangs with so many different models meanwhile Dodge just bail out lmao
This makes me feel less butt-hurt over paying full sticker for a new Charger Scat last fall. I still feel like I was taken to the cleaners--crooks!
atleast you got one bro in my area they want 48k for a rt
U probably were since you will willing to do anything for that scat, let me guess 1k a month at 16% apr 😂
ya... you were bent over a barrel.
The platform hasn’t changed at all since 2008...why would you buy a brand new car of a platform that is 15+ years old, with a 30+ year old chassis? You could’ve gotten a mint condition 2015ish model for half the price...
@@cormaro1376probably a $1500/month payment for 6 years, thats almost every charger/challenger buyer, terrible credit but will accept ANY terms to be able to drive around and flex.
No one wants an iPad with a speaker. RIP Dodge 🙏
I think they may bring back one of these models. Other manufacturers are starting to balk on an all EV transition because there just will not be sufficient resources and infrastructure to support an all-in electrification by 2030 or 2035. Toyota was never convinced and continued developing its hybrid technology and now there are German and Italian brands looking to extend some of its ICE models.
Yeah, but there's a big difference between "pure EV" and "pointless NA V8 gas hog". I agree that going all-EV by 2030 is a ridiculous pipe dream, but CAFE standards and public opinion (read: high gas prices) are making large-displacement V8s less and less appealing. You can get the same performance, decent sound, and better economy out of a twin-turbo V6 nowadays.
@@theglowcloud2215 man if only the feds would let gas companies produce gasoline.
If the Camaro gets the cut it be just like the mid 2000s ford will be the only one left with a v8 muscle car
The Camaro will sadly finish production after January 2024.
@dallasfrost1996 that sucks you need some Competition to keep things fresh..
The Australian car maker equivalents stopped making them some time ago, in fact, Australian car makers have almost stopped making cars but imported badged Asian-made cars. Even more years ago, here In the UK, we Imported a few Australian-built once big engined pick-up trucks with Corvette engines but to meet emission regs they had to run on LPG.
I loved the TFL Hellcat videos. Sad day for muscle car lovers!!! Dodge is going to have to do something great to replace these cars!! I don't see that happening. K cars go electric??? 😂
Is Dodge trying to run all its loyal fans away! WTH are they thinking? No Hemi, no Dodge for me! Jeez, they could at least create a smaller 4.0 V8Hemi turbocharged!!!!
“Well it’s a Charger, without a doubt” yet it looks like the current Challenger.
I have a feeling that Stellantis will shutter Dodge and Chrysler. They have fully concentrated on the Jeep and Ram brands because that is what sells in volume. The Hornet was already close to production form when PAG merged and Stellantis created so I feel they let that one play out. Not holding my breath for new Challengers and Chargers.
They better bring these back. They will be done without them.
Yeahbut. Can they match the RANGE of the ICE cars, and provide great performance? Few of us really will use 700hp, but the EVs can't handle a long daytrip even if you can find charging stations.
Will be holding on to my Challenger for quite a while at this point. It's a '19 so still relatively new. Sad that the Mustang will be the last affordable American Muscle car. Not counting the Vette because they're creeping into the exotics price range albeit on the lower end. Will say the Banshee looks more like a Charger then the Charger they reintroduced however. Too bad it's electric.
They should keep selling the Challenger & Charger for a while longer with those sales numbers. The Daytona is impressive but I see a car worth up to $90,000🇨🇦
The Hemi AND Pentastar engines can't meet the new emissions standards. Apparently, the new hurricane motors do pass emissions -- but don't fit the Challenger or Chargers engine bays without a drastic redesign. Dodge doesn't have any options besides ending production.
I had a 2013 Charger R/T Max AWD. It was a nice, comfortable cruiser and with a 93 tune and CAI it performed and sounded much better than stock. There are days I miss it and have thought about getting another one. Guess that won't be an option for much longer.
No such thing as an electric muscle car. That's equivalent to Soy milk...and I am allergic to dairy..but it's not milk lol
Sad day indeed for the v8 and those that love them!!🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
The timeline on "Dodge" is limited. We won't see a horsepower product line return after 2025.
*Mustang has entered the chat*
@@fortheloveofnoise9298 thank goodness for the continued reign of the 5.0 baby!!!🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
@@jgonzalez55nah some car companies are going to be stubborn and rebel against these catch 22 useless EVs. Ford isnt going to drop the mustang, and GM won’t drop the corvette. They aren’t that incompetent.
Wonder how long the 5.0 will be available. I need an extra garage and buying up a hemi and 5.0 car when I can. I didn’t grow up in muscle car era… I don’t want to miss this one 😢😢
Don't forget the 300. This is a wonderful car considering its age. A good refresh and it could have a whole new life.
It's built on the same line as the charger and is getting discontinued along with it.
@@markcoopers1930 Yes I know. Sad day IMHO
It's on a Mercedes platform from the 90s. It needed a clean redesign if anything.
The 300 should have been used as the EV test bed then bring the others in if sales are good
2023 300 392 was at a car show I was at! Guy told me he paid 56k it looked really cool to!
I would do a Dodge Stealth revival. Run it on the STLA Medium or Large if the 3.0 Hurricane can fit in the Medium and as a plugin hybrid. I think a small sports car in the same vein as what the Stealth was would work wonderfully. I wouldn't want to sully the name of the Charger and Challenger with something like the SRT Charger Daytona Concept. While I think the SRT Charger Daytona Concept looks great, incredible even. It's an EV that is the thing. Nobody that would buy such a car wants an EV. Nobody that wants a Hellcat wants an EV instead.
Stealth was a clapper.
Funny, I still have both my 1991 Stealth R/T Turbo and 2008 Dodge Charger Daytona.
1:55 before you had to harp on the fact that the Charger has four doors now. Get over it already. You think the market would bear two 2 door muscle cars from the same manufacturer?
There bringing back the dodge stealth name an making it an suv like fools
It’s just like the Chrysler brand it’s self. How can they go so many years without adding anything to the line up? The only brand that actually has models is Jeep. It’s like they are hoping it’ll fail
They could sell them for years more…because everyone wants one. Who stops selling what people want? That’s insane…what but government meddling could cause a company to do that.
No matter how incompetent and mismanaged these car companies are, the government will bail them out, so they don’t have to make good business decisions. If they were held accountable for their actions and cared about making money to keep the company afloat, no way would they axe these two cars...it is their bread and butter.
Smash that like button if your sad about the NEW direction that dodge is taking and mad that there submitting to the new world order… the EV push will only eventually end in bankruptcy.
Whatever makes them change design lol, it's been the same crap design for the last 10 years , even nissan refreshed their shit lol
@@cormaro1376 they can change design. That’s fine with me. They needed to there cars are way outdated. But to eliminate all there good v8s is a very bad idea.
@@Royalcrimsonstang222 I'm sorry I laughed loudly when u said good v8 , which v8 is that cause each one I see suffers hemi tick and other problems lol
No, they are submitting to their owners. The French and Italians are keen on electric, not so keen on big fridges with a 70yr old design of an engine. new world order 🤣🤣🤣
@@cormaro1376 I have owned 2 Ram Pickups with the 5.7 HEMI, and neither of them had any kind of issues! I just usw a very HIGH QUALITY SYNTHETIC oil (AMSOIL. the best oil you can buy)
Are hybrids not getting attention because regulations push to a non gas future? I just don't understand why more Rav4 Prime and Jeep 4xe like systems aren't the primary focus right now.
Could these systems not save the v8's for a little longer?
Oh they definitely could… but they won’t
I think it's largely cost. Most of the traditional car manufacturers are having a really hard time putting batteries into cars and not losing money. This only got way worse with the recent inflation and price gouging we have seen over the last two years.
@@Gmac705 Exactly on the nose, and the traditional vehicles being phased out have been carrying the financial burden of EV development. Not all manufacturers will survive this.
@@doublebackagain4311 It doesn’t even matter if they do, your tax dollars will bail them out. No matter how incompetent they are, they will never be held accountable.
Jeep can’t even sell their hybrids , nobody wants them .
Hopefully they're getting rid of this big old whale. For the smaller cuda
"Americans love large cars..." but they won't pony up the cash to subsidize their production. Meanwhile, Rav 4 and CRV are wiping the sales floor over all large cars combined (in USA) and Americans are finding the cash to drive away $60k+ full size 4-door trucks in record numbers (at least they did - not sure how interest rates have affected the vehicle distribution). Also, there's no gas guzzler tax on trucks and suvs.
We got an "all new" Gen7 Mustang! Kudos to Ford Motor for continuing to improve its iconic sports car. They will get my $ ..when the '24 Mustang GT 5.0L w/ track package/ ZF 6spd manual i ordered comes in soon. 💯
As a red white and blue blooded American I actually like smaller vehicles but I want my small car or truck to have a BIG BAD RUMBLIN BUMBLIN BALD EAGLE SCREAMIN V8 UNDER THE HOOD!!
I have a jack from HF and its been good one. It well outlasted my craftsman jack. I got it over 10yrs ago now.
Brock you need good set of impact wabble sockets. GP (grey pneumatic) or Expert brands are really good.
All dodge need to do is announce a barracuda and roadrunner and boom replacements to the challenger and charge it not that hard if you want something new but has a link to 70s classics
They can’t build anymore ICE because of higher corporate fuel mileage standards set by the government.
Just bought a ‘23 Durango Hellcat Loving it! 🏁
These are the top Repo cars lol. Auctions are overflowing with them which should say something about the market that buys them. And the fact that market probably can't qualify for the loans now being banks are running scared with all the unsecured loans that are going south. In short they need to re-direct their efforts at the rich boomers who seem to be the only ones buying at today's higher MSRP's.
Probably the top stolen cars too next to Kias and Hyundais lol
What ever happened to TFL Charger "ProtoHunter"? Bought it, did the walk around, did the shorts on it. Where are the drag races against the Vettes and your Mustang? Where is it?
So when 2024 comes around, the Durango and Hornet will be the only vehicles Dodge has?...🤦🏾♂️
A restyled Alfa and a restyled last gen Jeep Grand Cherokee. They won't even have designed the engines in their* only 2 models.
Heck, the charger/challenger is from an old E-class platform😂
You think thats wierd? Thats just what FCA does...put all of its eggs in one basket and then scratch their asses once the basket falls to the ground
What's Chrysler's line-up?
A minivan and a 20 year old car...literally just 2 cars
Yea unfortunately but atleast the Durango will still have the V8
Crazy 🤦
No there is a “Charger” replacement coming next year
Right as Camaro gets cut out as well. Seems like a missed oppurtunity if it wasn't for the taxes and guzzler issues. Are hybrids that hard to do for Stellantis that uses them in the Rams?
Dodge buyers for the most part are not EV fans. This is an interesting strategy...
Government forcing this.
Great video Guys! Thanks. ✌️ 😊
I find it hard to think of an electric car as a muscle car personally. Performance car maybe but not a muscle car. And I think it comes down to the ability to modify. Let’s face it an electric car is still just an oversized drill and it all comes down to how many amps you can get to the motor without melting the wiring
So sad to see Ralph Gilles pushing electric crap.
You want to glance over the 2.2 Chargers but in actuallity those were cool cars and that motor saved Chrysler. Maybe one of the best 4cyl engines ever. Heck an 93 IROC RT Daytona had more power than a 5.0 Mustang at the time.
1st - go out at your peak
Im an old mopar guy from way back.
I've had mopars from 1955 all the way to 2017, all fantastic cars and trucks.
I DO NOT WANT AN ELECTRIC CAR, NOT EVEN A HYBRID.
I have some pictures of me in a preproduction Hellcat at Monterey Car Week from like 9 years ago. It had a supercharged badge instead of the Hellcat badge.
Thanks EPA!
"while still making cars we all want to buy." Thats it right there. We the consumer are the last thing on their mind and thats why the company wont succeed.
If people listed and read they would know the hemi isnt going away, it is just going exotic. the new charger body will be multiplatform, it can be fited with electric motors and batteries or it can be fit with a v8 and transmission.
Dodge being a shell of its former self could fold up tomorrow and would have hardly any impact on Stellantis. As much as we wish the V8 cars carried the day for Dodge, the reality is the lower trim V6 cars are what sells in larger percentages for Dodge. Filling out the brand with models to compete in hot segments is what the priority is for Dodge and Chrysler. Dodge needs competitive compact CUV’s that can shift 250k+ models per year, also mid-sized SUV’s doing the same… Stellantis giving Dodge, Chrysler, and Maserati ten years to fill out their product portfolios was generous. Given how tight lipped everyone is within the company, we likely won’t know until it happens.
It could be possible that the Banshee EV could be a test platform to see how the public reacts to it, and then put a Hellaphant 426 Hemi engine in it. That would definitely be an attempt to reclaim the Muscle Car title again for 2024. Remember, the Charger was a two-door car when Dodge created it. I never understood the 4-door Charger, although it has been successful, getting back to the coupe' would be nice.
I was reluctantly planning on selling my 2013 Challenger SRT8 (30K miles) only because I have a new truck and a decent AWD sedan, and three cars is insane for a single guy of modest means...BUT now I'm thinking I should wait at least another year, and maybe longer. It can only increase in value with this discontinuation.
The cars aren't dead. The platform has been in production since 2010, and is based off Mercedes designs from the early 00's. It's basically twenty years old. Stellantis is giving Charger/Challenger/300 a break for a year while the factories are retooled to produce an all new model on an all new platform. The sad part is Hemi has been put out to pasture, but let's be honest that's a pretty dated design at this point too. The modern Hemi debuted in 2003 so, again, twenty years old. What's coming next will be cars that are lighter and handle better, with even more power... thanks to the Hurricane twin turbo straight six. The engine is already in Jeep Grand Wagoneer and will be in the refreshed Ram 1500 next year, putting out either 420 or 510hp, depending on state of tune. That's more than the 5.7 and 392 Hemis, respectively. These engines in an all new body style car will continue to dominate the streets.
I have a 2005 Dodge 2500 HEMI 5.7 i am glad i still have it. Excellent very reliable truck. I feel sad and betrayed, I think Stellantis is going to kill off the Dodge name & Chrysler (300) to. They have went out of their way to set up both brands 4 failure!!!
It doesn’t even matter if they do, your tax dollars will bail them out. No matter how incompetent they are, they will never be held accountable.
I say good riddance. I live in Atlanta, and every week I see at least 9 wrecks involving either a challenger or a charger. These idiots run red lights, drive 120 mph on the interstate, and do burnouts in residential areas. Challengers and Chargers are the #1 repossessed cars in America!
You do know the EV’s are even faster right? Now you just won’t hear them coming.
@@TxTravel295MK It's not the Horse Power. It's the idiots that think that they're race car drivers. Teslas have similar HP, but they aren't street racing, doing burnouts in the middle of an intersection, or getting involved in police chases.
@@theylied1776 right now it’s comparing apples to oranges. Their number comparisons are probably 5 to 1 and their cheaper. If people by EV’s in these numbers you will have the same issue. Matter of time.
@@TxTravel295MK How is it comparing apples to oranges? You're the one who brought up horsepower.
@@theylied1776 Again, the numbers are not comparable. When the number of EV’s on the road get close to the number of chargers/challengers you will have the same issue. Numbers are not even close right now.
I would be happy buying the previous generation Charger RT (2011-2014) used but people wanting ridiculous prices for a 10 year old car with 120K + miles…
I live in a mid-sized city in Indiana with a population just under 30,000. We have TWO public charging stations. TWO. If you look at the entire county, you get to add TWO more. That's FOUR for an entire county (a county that has a GM plant, even). What big city dwellers and DC politicians fail to realize is that when you get outside of the major cities, much of America looks just like this. Stellantis and GM going full bore towards EVs might work out great in the big cities where plentiful charging stations exist, but it's going to be a death knell for sales in cities like mine, and even worse in rural areas. I know, I know- EV supporters will start screaming about home chargers and such, BUT along with smaller cities, towns and rural areas come aging and downright shitty electrical grids that barely handle the uptick in home air conditioning we've seen in the past few decades. I live in the middle of the city, and the grid can't even handle a decent storm without leaving us in the dark for a day or two. Imagine everyone adding home chargers to this mess! Will "Sorry boss, the power's out" be a legit excuse not to go to work?
They had a good run.
They are about to ravage the pull aparts for the next ten years. So many shells will pop up and ppl will snatch them. Not like before when the 60's and 70's let those chargers and challengers rust away.
To kill these cars without having a replacement ready to come out is going to really suck for Dodge dealers!
Can they survive just selling trucks and jeeps?
The Ram and Jeep is their money makers . They have to reduce their corporate fuel mileage to keep producing them .
I can see why it's dying off, manufacturer will sell us a car for 60 Grand. But the dealership wants 40 grand mark-40 for no reason. 100k for a car is to much.
At one of my local Dodge dealers they have one of those new, limited-run 6.4 Chrysler 300's. The dealer has a $10,000 mark up over MSRP for a grand total of $66,500!
@@AStanton1966And for a cheap economy car interior that literally hasn't changed since 2014.
Actually, compared to new economy car interiors like from Honda and Mazda the 300's interior looks mashed up and out of place. There might be leather bits but they don't look any different from all the hard plastics
@@markcoopers1930 RIght. I test drove a loaded Grand Cherokee in 2019 and could not get over how cheap the interior looked. It too had leather but like you say it all looked like plastic crap. Ended up with a BMW X3 Loaded for less money. And the Bimmer interior is definitely very upscale.
@@HiPlains1 The new jeep GC platform is actually quite good, 2021/2022 forward depending on if it's the extended/standard length. That's when the platform changed over to the Giorgio. But it's wild: search images for 2014 Chrysler 300 interior and put it next to an image of a 2022 interior. It is staggering how similar, and not in a good way. Actually some of the older designs look a bit better laid out.
@@AStanton1966Thats much better than a local dealer here in Vegas' price of $74,999 for the new 300C.
Fire all the big wigs to save the brand
I think dodge picked the wrong time to stop production of those 2 cars I hope they can recover from this
When would be the right time?
I'm handicapped and have been saving to get a new one .. my whole family worked at Chrysler since 1912 in Detroit at dodge main then lynch Rd hammer shop but stopped at my brother & I, he went religion and went went into the construction industry,
My dad is 82 and I've always wanted one new dodge muscle car before he passed, well I guess that's shot in the rear, but with the economy the way it is there's always the used car market.. they should keep the cop cars going for awhile due to there isn't anything out there that can top a interceptor scat pack ..besides maybe a hellcat interceptor I guess,
It's the slow death of American Car Manufactures.
The EV Banshee sound is the same from the 80's movie Wraith with Charlie Sheen driving the Chrysler Concept Car.
Challenger was #1 in sales two years ago, they axed it. Ram trucks were #2 in sales two years ago, they're now dead last. Even Jeeps aren't selling because they are letting all their models get stale. Pure idiots running that company now.
It’s time for them to either all be heavily revised or go. The platforms are really old, especially for cars. They date back to the days of Daimler/Chrysler. It’s not like they were overly profitable. The tooling was paid for, for sure, but the volume and margins weren’t worth it. If they KNEW the sales could be increased then they could revise them. The market isn’t big enough,,,,. The Challenger is in the same boat as the Camaro,,,, sales aren’t enough to support them. The Hellcats were not huge sellers. They were great straight line performers.
I see some comments Stellantis is trying to fail,,,, but the opposite is true. The extreme costs in properly, fully revising the design of each vehicle won’t necessarily be recovered. It’s not the worst business decision. Yeah as a fan I’m bummed. I’ll pick up a used one, 6.4 or a HellCat soon before people go crazy and then hang on to it.
I have been making roughy low to mid 6 digits each year just trading/selling/buying classic cars. They are all personal collector vehicles, but I restore classics and drive/show them. The $$ all remains as a slush fund to get more & higher quality classics. I actually just sold off all of the cars in my collection. I have 8 67 - 72 GM pickups currently & am doing well on the increase in values. 18 trucks in total from a 51 Mercury M1 to a 2004 F150 Lightning. I have 3 Lightnings!! A 2001 with higher mileage, is my daily driver. I sold my 2022 F150 Tremor 3.5 and dealerships won’t see my $$$ anymore. There’s a definite trade off driving classic trucks vs new trucks.
They should update the platform with a hybrid and/or the hurricane 6. Everyone is jumping hard on the EV platform w/o addressing the gorilla in the room. Charging station and electrical grid support is no where close to what is needed for even a 20% increase in EV's on the road. States like Ca. and Wa. are mandating EV's in the near future w/o the infrastructure to support them, or a plan to create it.
EPA kills off another great car while making current cars even worse.
Its a sad day, people are being forced into buying what what they are told they can have, not what they want. Theres a name for this type of government control.
you mean Nikola Tesla is coming back around again? Ev's were 40% of the market until big oil ideas came around
Totalitarianism?
Mutual agreements between government and automaker.
Why do you think there’s a law saying that gas cars will be banned from sale in 10 years from now or even earlier?
Pretty sure automakers are being forced, nothing "mutual" about it.
@@faheemabbas3965
You brought up the generational thing... I've found that each successive generation has a smaller percentage of car enthusiasts. Gen-X (my generation) has fewer "car guys" than the Boomer generation. Millennials less than Gen-X, Gen-Z less than Millennials. My sister and her husband (millennials) view cars as appliances. This is why we're seeing more crossovers and less performance cars.
I am a very late Millennial (1995) and I am a car nut. I will only buy stick shift cars....but right now I am in a tough spot financially, had to sell my 6 speed manual Z28 convertible and am now driving a 98 Sentra 😂....at least it has a manual though.
@@fortheloveofnoise9298 hope things work out soon and you can get into something fast and fun. Stay positive!
that is true and mostly down to the fact newer generations have less spending power and cool cars are a luxury not a necessity.
Each generation is poorer than the last. That’s why. Shitbox crossovers is all we can afford