AWD Dirt Bike First Test Drive! (35 Combined HP)
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- Опубликовано: 2 апр 2024
- We mounted a QS273 hub motor onto the front of a home made dirt bike to build the world's first AWD gas/electric hybrid dirt bike. Why did we build a 2wd motorcycle? For drag strip launches! We assumed that the extra drive wheel on the front of the dirt bike will add hole shot performance. Were we correct? Find out in today's episode!
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The front wheel motor is NOT the issue, you guys need a different tire(Shinko 241/244) for traction. Go into the app or BMS settings and turn down the power output to about 35% while leaving the speed at 90% and it'll feel less squirrelly when you launch.
And put the regen brake on its lowest setting or off!
But please change your front tire, it'll make a world of difference
Make sure you insulate between the battery pack and the gas engine... AND DON'T CHARGE THE BATTERY PACK FOR AT LEAST ONE HOUR AFTER RIDING THE BIKE.!.!.!. Or it may catch fire 🔥🔥🔥 enjoy
This guy e-bikes
The front wheel motor is absolutely the problem. That much unsprung weight is terrible on a bike.
Not familiar with this kit or it's software but modern RC ECU's usually have a ramp up you manually sett a curve for so on launch you can progressively increase power based on speed over time no matter the throttle input, 1/2 throttle full throttle same ramp to that throttle position every time. Take your time, fine tune this and it'll be a monster.
They already made it clear in the video they were going to change the front tyre.
@@SportbikerNZ it’s not going to help them. That bike is destined to hurt someone.
Heat shield between the battery and motor. Thumb throttle needs to be on the left side of the handlebars. Front motor throttle needs to be supplemental and precise. You don't want that front motor powering into a corner.
arent you an expert
They probably aren’t going to ride this thing on a moto track
Would they want the left throttle on the right side of the left handle and the right throttle on the left side of the right handle so that their thumbs can push it?
he is probably right, you would want to use it like or with the clutch on a track
@@sethcrawford6219 who cares about a track? Just riding it around their yard course could have same implications, let alone generally riding it.
Stuff like this is why I love this channel. Naysayers be darned lol keep on keepin on!
Put a peddle assist sensor on the wheel. It is meant to go on the crank but if you put it on the wheel the electric motor will kick in when you give it some gas🤙🏻
I was wondering about that! Nice idea
@@braydenhancock3907 thanks Brayden...
Lol no because you couldn’t stop.
@@ianj8505 let off the gas, pull the clutch and hit the brake. When you let off of the gas the hub motor will decelerate
Absolutely this, having the option to have it change it's assist while you give it regular throttle will be huge for ride-ability and traction. A better tire will help, but it looks like it's going to be about consistent throttle input matching with that rear. This is amazing, btw I love it! You'll still have the ability to override with a throttle input through the handle throttle but for regular riding they should now be able to match and feel better during straights and corners. Then when you can go all out on the straights you can override it!
Accidentally prototyped the next evolution in drag bikes 😊
Crazy build chaps, you need to plug the black first on the battery, and red wire last. The red has an antispark ring in it which should reduce the snapping like Ike got when he first plugged it in!
Wild idea....i like it! Just needs a knobby dirt bike tire on the front
I love this, favourite channel to watch.
Just pure greatness! I wanna see more of this bad boy. Maybe you guys should make some all electric mini-bikes and race em.
Charles is looking more and more like 'He-Man!' Another great video guys
Another great video guys 👍👍
Really cool idea. I think a more aggressive front tire will make it handle much better and totally transform how it pulls
dont let ike hating it stop you from building this thing up. MAYBE a throttle that kicks on at a lower speed than the back tire to mitigate the lack of control? or maybe a tire that grips more?
PLEASE continue this build
Need a Awd Crosskart. Very cool build
They’ve actually done that before they made a cart that had a motor on each tire
I was thinking the same thing alot more controllable. With four wheels instead of 2. Would be a neat add on to the dragster they built.
@@anthonynesbitt3997I was watching their playlist but I never found the rest! Do you know the title for it?
@Dantheman5127 it's called 4 engine go kart
@@anthonynesbitt3997 not the same or your not understanding what I'm saying
You can get "half-grip" twist throttles for ebikes, and i think some can be left hand mounted. I would put one of those on the left bar and put a traditional twist throttle on the right for the gas.
really cool project! the inability to turn might be the gyroscopic effect from that big wheel and hub motor spinning. Thats probably what john was feeling when he said it kept him upright. This would be a great woods weapon. and you can ride quietly when passin 'that one house"
ya'll gotta combine those throttle cables too now!
A great video y'all l, love the content... A great idea would be to use the front wheel for lower HP then upgrade the motor so you have higher end proformance and horsepower too... Idk how great it would work but give it a try if ya want
I saw a video about a dual hub motor bike from taiwan (i think), they used a dynamic throttle control for the front motor that adjusted the top wheel speed if it wasn't getting traction. Software stuff, also Electric bike batteries are usually in a mostly sealed box. not strapped down like an automotive battery.
Yeah definatly need another knobby up front for more control and traction. Cool build guys
great stuff guys thanks
I've built a trike a while Back iv still got it . its a Shwinn beach cruiser conversion with fat tires and a 420 cc preditor to power the back wheels . it also has a diff locker on the conversion and the front wheel 1500w has the electric hub motor so if it ran out of gas the front would still get you home. It was hard to get use to it going form either system because there so different ones push the other pull. that and the spring forks don't help I was also able to still pedal but it is alot more difficult so it really never pedaled I used all low rider parts to make the lighting system in back turn signals brake and a hid bullet head light . It was definitely not cheap to build. But its a awesome trike good for mine mart run or beer
12:56 + THAT Car On The Lift is COOL AS HELL !
That setup would be awesome for hill climbing. 🤘
Oh man you guys inspire me
Nice.
Discovering the channel, I hope to find a video about battery build :)
Keyless entry. Nice
Yup. Knobby front tire. Make some custom fairings, a paint job, and that would be fun for bush trails and hill climbs. Set the electric's power down, though.. it'll spin instead of pull.
Omg! A fat tire conversion would be awesome on this thing!
My plans for such was a 'Hose-Clamp' with a bolt to hit the thumb throttle for the electric while using the gas.That way you could leave the gas off and use the electric without hinderance, and without the battery on, vice-versa.
“Shoulder snapper”🗣🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥‼️‼️‼️💯💯💯💀
What an awesome project gyes great show ✌️
if you got a cruise control thing for the throttle you could have that press the thumb control as you twist the throttle so in a way both are linked
Charles, that hair is starting to look like Ishmael in Kingpin.😂Loving the build, guys!
This reminds me of having a 4x4 with a locked front axle in ice. The truck just wants to go straight. Front wheel drive cars have always been a little goofy in slick conditions to me. The powered front wheel just looses traction. A knobby might help slow it down and grip, but I think it's going to be screwy in turns.
Could you compare speed and acceleration of this AWD setup with a standard propulsion setup: big chain, gas engine up front and electric motor on rear wheel hub ?
Im glad we get to see charles in this video.
I am wondering how to do the electrical setup on a riding mower. Any ideas? Want to be able to keep the transmission but no deck
You should really fit a heat shield between the battery and the motor. Lithium batteries become very unstable when they get hot.💣💥🔥
i saw a sprocket on the electric motor in the first vid and as wondering if you could just put it on the rear with the connected to it
I'd try integrating that thumb throttle into the collar and offset it so it engages the rear tire faster. Nice job guys.
Yes ! A Hose clamp set-up with a peg hitting the Thumb throttle when it's moving and need the front for hills and power pulls .
Try different pedals assist settings. On my ebike, setting 5 is all the beans (22+ mph)& 1 is only for like 8 mph. I use 1 when I set off & click up to the higher settings as I get going. It could act like gears.
What about a speed sensor on the rear wheel that controls the motor on the front?
Will it charge the battery like regen when you just run the gas engine
can you adjust the speed controller to feed in the power more even.
Cool project,, I build 2x2 motorcycles. They can be a little funky to steer in corners.
That thing needs a front tire with some knobbies. It’ll get traction and then hold on for dear life Isaac
Those motors are known to push 50hp max! Would be sick to come close to that on this build!
that coupled with a 2 to 1 throttle that kicks the electric motor in after the gas would be awesome
They'll do that
yep, they need to GET A GRIP! haha
Get the motor out and put anouther battery in and move the front wheel to the back and then see how she goes itching the gas motor was not strong enough.or if you can figure the electronics out go with a gas generator and then operate the wheel next choice I s get rid of the motor add a battery and add a rear power wheel. Lots of ways to experiment.
Can you hook the engine up to charge the battery as you ride ?
Great idea for an enduro bike. Optional fwd would be an advantage .
What did the electrical tire battery and wiring harness cost?
This looks so fun.
those sensors on the brake levers are cutoffs so you cant put down power if you are trying to stop, if its the same as the e-bike i have.
I love how John plugged his ears instead of putting on the muffs that were around his neck.
Like Dr Frankenstein. You have created a monster. Good job. 👍
Is it possible to have both motors powering the rear wheel ?
Cant wait until you guys dial that thing in!
What about front and rear hub motors with a genny in the middle for power?
if those metal straps work their way through the battery casing, it'll short out and cause a huge fire. Also need some heat shielding between lipo and engine. Store the battery at storage voltage (around 3.7-3.8v per cell).
Maybe get regen braking working on the front. I wonder if you could use an encoder on the rear tire to compare rpm and prevent front wheel spin
Can't you try and fit an alternator to the engine? To put some charge in the electric motor battery.
That thing is fast!
I love it. Here's an idea, swap the throttle mechanisms if possible, use thumb throttle for the electric.
So Charles decided on getting a 'Thundar the barbarian' hair cut???
I needed a rental car for training, and I decided on saving gas and got a Tesla. I am used to bigger gas engines. I wanted to see what it had for speed from a stop. I was impressed at the no bogging and straight speed to the wheels.
Hey,here's an idea..Ditch the gas engine,and rear wheel,install an electric driven wheel out back,a 2nd battery where the engine was and have yourselves an Electrokon dual wheel drive sickle..
Does the speed controller not have a progressive power mode ?
You guys should definitely build a trike, it would be so wicked!!!
I think you can program the controller to accelerate softer, more of a slower ramp up.
What a cool bike haha ! Knobby tire and see how it goes in the mud keep it up
Put a treated tore on there. Also regen is kool cause u can charge the batter while riding with the gas engine
Good job I like it
Those battery leads for the power look way to skinny to sustain high amp draw, do they get hot?
Please tell me you guys have a charging system on the gas motor to charge the battery!!!
I wonder if you could put a tab on the twist grip that activates the thumb throttle at the same time... 🤔
I'd try using maybe hose clamping to secure the tab.... *for testing purposes.
I don’t know if you will respond to this but I have a modified predator 420 with a 40 series torque converter that I’m trying to get street legal and fast I was inspired by your blown up blaster engine into a transmission and I wanted to make or buy one that’s got reverse and at least 3 speeds got any suggestions for me on what to do
I have a video of it running on my channel
The sensors on the brake levers are there to stop the motor from spinning when you brake
needs a knobby front tire. Can controller use a speed or RPM sensor input? Might put one on rear tire or drive sprocket to provide some input smoothing or ability to control through just single thumb throttle or twist grip so you dont have to use both at the same time. Maybe also an idea is to make it a fat bike using ATV tires.
what app are you using that is logging you highest speed ran ?
Love it should put the clutch lever as the throttle though 😂😂😂
Tell Charles Moe called and wants his haircut back.
Now i wanna see a battery powered trike build that would be so cool, so dam fast with that battery or 2 of them
Can you tweak the acceleration ramp on that front motor? Make a more gradual power curve so its not just instantly 0-100%.
What if you put wider tires on it like a Rokon?
Can you adjust the assist level?? And a better front tire!!
I wonder how it would perform with the two wheel drive in snow ❄️ on paddles or tracks 🤔
I have a thumb throttle on my scooter and that should work your tbumb will do just that like yall are thinking 💯💯💯
You could sell that idea in the dirt biking community a two-wheel drive motocross bike is something we want
as someone who built a hybrid ebike with the same concept i can vouch for the sketch factor. Though my front hub motor was only 1000W. and my engine was a 100cc bicycle engine.
Can we get a link to this kit?
Definitely knobby tire in the front. Thumb throttle on the left. And charge the electric motor with the gas. Hybrid style 🤯. I like it a lot.
why use the hub motor not on the rear axel 420/520 chain and a adapter
For twin throttle control, try rigging up a lever from either the front or the rear of the twist grip that pushes (or pulls) the thumb throttle in sync.
You need RWD to turn
The brake switches are normally closed to cut power when you apply brakes.
I remember seeing a Rokon when I was a kid, I always thought 2x2 motorcycle was such a cool idea.
before i even watch this video i sure hope it works because i want to do this to my 2021 honda trail 125. you can find a controller that will let it open wide open. i see some 2000W motors that run 65 mph but you are carrying extra dead weight up to 18 minutes in the video.
Ive been in the process of building a awd front and rear hub motor drag bobber for awhile now we should race when its done lol
With the way it digs furrows, you can plant some veggies in the soil in no time... :P
Never ridden a rokon or one of the e-bikes with dual hub motors but I can see that it would be challenging
Does the gas engine charge the battery? That would be cool.
You need to put a little tab on the twist throttle so when you twist it, it pushes in on the thumb throttle at the same time.
I think you need to hook up the electric throttle to activate when you go w.o.t on the gas throttle. Just like a nos switch. Or some form of that concept