Forced Perspective and Model Scenery
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- Опубликовано: 31 мар 2020
- In this video I demonstrate forced perspective and model scenery applications. Make the scenes on you model railroad layout look larger, deeper, and more realistic using this artistic technique.
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I always enjoyed forced perspective.
Really nice Ron! Thanks
These are great ideas and well executed!
Well done Ron thank you for the perspective.
Thats a cool idea to have a shelf road on your layout!
I think it will look really cool when I get the scene done.
THANK YOU OTHER DETAIL VIDEO
Very helpful. I can’t wait to use this method in one corner if my layout.
Great video. Thank you
Great work! I think it's worthy for your viewers to note that the forced perspective works best from specific viewing angles or lines of sight, just as in photography/videography. Some might be disappointed in the effect when standing over a layout, or viewing from a different angle than intended. Cinderella's Castle at Walt Disney World uses forced perspective to give the illusion that it's much taller, reaching farther into the sky than it actually does. The spires and windows shrink in size as it goes up. The reason it works so well is because park visitors are always viewing it from the ground level, looking up. Peace and love.
Awesome!
Fantastic, thank you.
nice video and a nice tips .
Awesome Ron, I’ll be trying these ideas out on my railroad. Thanx a bunch.
Great idea Ron, looking foward to seeing more as you finish those sence....thanks for sharing....Jack 👍
Hi Ron, this was particularly useful as I can use and will adopt your ideas of forced perspective. I am an N Scale modeler and frankly have not thought about using Z Scale structures on my layout. I will do so NOW and in the future. Much appreciated. - Dean from Minnesota
Yes Ron, lot's of modelers of HO scale will use my N scale Trees for the forced perspective look for there back ground scenes. Great video. Bob
Great tricks, Ron. Thanks for sharing. Stay well, brother. God bless.
great demo Ron thanks , really like that sasquatch ! : )
Congratulations ☑️ Ron for your video tutorial you present this subject so well. If you want to create this illusion and your layout is Ho scale you must use N scale structures at the back and if your layout is N scale/ Z scale at the back .
This artificially is old one, a lot of very serious modellers know but now one’s have presented so well !!! Great job Ron 🇨🇦👍🏆
Definitely love the big foot scene
Really enjoy the topic an video Ron!
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Hello. I always make layouts in Japan with reference to your videos. Please do your best in the future. I support you.
I'm glad that you shared this insight.. one more bonus feature of N.. Z yields itself to this type of perspective more than the other scales..
Thanks Ron , I almost forgot about that element on my layout. It is also N scale so I had planned to use Z scale items in the hills in the far background.
Hi ya Ron, great tips on forced perspective. You can also push your perspective out even further by using background photos. Photos of far away buildings and landscapes. It’ important as you shrink your buildings down to also shrink your trees and foliage. Thanks for sharing. See ya next time.
Good point, and very true.
I ABSOLUTELY love the sasquatch scene! I was going to incorporate a sasquatch into my layout.
Yes, it is a fun little detail.
Thank You for doing this video. I’m on a campaign to narrow my N scale benchwork. These ideas will help to give depth in shallower areas. My next idea is to look for Z scale backdrops.
Great video. My layout is not very wide. This is a technique i will definatly use to bring some depth
Great video on forced perspective. Learned a lot about it and where to use it. I am going to do that on my HO layout and use N scale for the perspective parts. Thanks for sharing. Ken
I think you will like the effect. Do you know yet how you plan to use it? What kind of scene(s)?
I am not sure but did like your cabin scene. I just got back into Model Railroading and am starting of with a small layout and using what I learn in the videos. I am planning to make a bookshelf layout in the future and then the forced perspective will really comes into play.
Thanks for the great video I am almost to that point on my layout and this will help out a lot
Good luck. I hope that goes well. Nothing changes the look of a layout faster than scenery. If you are just getting ready to start scenery for the first time, I highly recommend this classis scenery book by Dave Frary: amzn.to/2R3crMN
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Great Informative Video Ron. I can definitely see how it all works and if i ever get a chance to build a more permanent layout, Ill definitely try this technique for sure
_ Shannon
Thanks, Shannon. Great to hear from you.
One of the tricks to forced perspective is to have something far larger closer to where it's viewed from, and most modelers make the mistake of not thinking that a mountain side is receding when putting in trees on it. Most that get installed will actually be oversized to begin with especially Pines and it's why they look more like a grove of Sequoias in a layout than the Ponderosa/Conifers they were intended to be from the start. Indeed a good rule is to have a tree no taller than the figure is tall by a factor of between 5-12 times in height and it's on the shorter range if the trees are deciduous like Maples/Ash for example. If a scale figure say is to look like its 6ft adult, the math is simple as 7x would be 42ft but say at 25x it would be the same height of 13 story building in a layout. Most trees are about one train car in length perhaps two if your pushing it in the scale your using, and the further there towards the ridge line the should be getting shorter sometimes by a factor of 10+ from what starts at the base. Ron showed forced perspective quite well when he held a tree in front of his shelf road but it should almost on the leading edge of his layout especially if the rest he's thinking about aren't to the Z scale or less near it as much as possible. One way to get the optical illusion of forced perspective is not attaching a hill/mountain to the back wall/sky and it's a stage trick where a series of cutouts are used to give depth to a set as those few feet or on a layout 1/4in is all that needed between features etc. We all have know about this effect if you've every had or thumbed thru a Popping Book and it's 3D but also why flat print of the same picture isn't quite as delightful to the eye. Kudos on the video Ron especially on the backyard example pic oh by the why is also called a merger in photography and it's like having a photo of of a cloud behind you going thru your ears. 👍
Question: How deep is your shelf?
So glad I found your video on forced perspective; I'm working in N scale trains but need Z for background towns, farms and bridges to reach my goal!
Looks great Ron. One question, are you changing the scale of the trees too in the far background to Z?
Great question. Yes, the trees will be smaller as they approach the background.
Great use of forced perspective.I will be building an N scale layout in my basement shortly and am seriously considering a double deck.do you have any advice on how to build the benchwork?
My benchwork is all supported by cantilevered shelf brackets. They work well, but I try to watch the weight.
Of course, you had a church! You need to put a Z character out front to represent yourself. A well-done video, but was looking for the hawk in the yard picture. Do you recommend just reducing by one scale to force perspective? I suppose a lot depends on how deep your actual space is. Modeling HO, you might have room for N, then Z behind that. TJ makes a good comment. Also, as to Sasquatch, according to an insurance ad, his name is Darryl. Wait, your Darryl is N scale I think, and the cabin is Z. Answered my own question. I have a barn in the back corner, of my layout, but think he would be much better in N scale. Fortunately, it is a printed building, so I can reduce it and make it again. Thanks, Ron for another terrific Tuesday here in Minnesota.
Probably the largest use of forced perspective would be Walt Disney World and Disneyland. It is done all along Main Street.
Yes, that is true.
I notice, that on your third scene, your backdrop appears to recreate what is called atmospheric extinction which causes colors to be muted or even eliminated where everything takes on a blue-ish hue. This, along with the manipulation of size, is a very effective tool in the execution of forced perspective.
"Atmospheric extinction" I was wondering what that effect was called, thanks Dennis!
@@ejejeff1722 You're welcome, sir.
Yes, I use the haze effect using verious techniques all over the backdrop, but in this case to make the painted mountain to appear to be quite distant.
Have you ever mixed N and Z gauge trains to force perspective?
Hey Ron, did you make all your trees
Yes, I have made a few videos about them: ruclips.net/video/9wdSKMOV8dY/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/6gixjKXPw18/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/tvH3HEvsP7M/видео.html
If I had a 12 inch 1/6 scale human figures and a 12 inch 1/12 scale figure how far back would the 1/12 scale figure have to be to look like it is in the distance ?
What scale train are you using?
My trains and layout are N scale.
Beggar's Canyon? Did you bullseye womp rats in your t-16 there?
Fun fact - the Disney castles are tiny... it's all forced perspective.
I knew that about Disney--the masters of illusion.
I have reached a point where I point back at the monitor and say "Right now!" at the same time you do. Perhaps I've watched too many of your videos... :)
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And I feel so small,
Beggar's Canyon, eh? Are you planning to include womp-rats as part of the scenery? ;)
Stranger things have happened. I have staged some Instagram photos there with AT-ATs and AT-STs. LOL.
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Just me maybe but your trees really mess up the illusion. Their scale seems way off.....