EXCELLENT VIDEO! I might have the the absolutely best excuse(s) as to why I'm an armchair (wheelchair?!?) model railroader. I'm terminally ill. That's right, the train is about to leave the station. When? "We" don't know. But Even I have fallen into the traps you've mentioned. On a day to day basis, time is not a factor for me. Now, as to "when the train is leaving the station" ( you know, when I get my ticket punched!) IS. I'm 54, not that old, but have lead quite the life. Including "automotive stunt driver" (no, that's not what put me in the wheelchair, on oxygen, medications, etc, etc, etc) that's right, I used to be a figure 8 driver (for fun) and a rollover driver (drove my car over a ramp and rolled it several times, three times a show, for about ten years.) Now, do to my illness (pneumonia ruined my lungs, plus COPD and Pulmonary fibrosis) I can have a few/several days in a row where it's difficult to get out of bed, BUT I might have a "couple", "few" almost a week where I'm not 100% but at least 60%-80%, able to walk with a cane, no chair. But I CATCH myself, on good days, making excuses. I was going to build using pallets, "skids" but that's no longer an option, so I bought banquet tables, only (pfffft! ONLY... here comes the excuse!) 4 weeks ago, They aren't up yet. Why? procrastination, I need to rest up, ....etc. About a month ago I bought a small house model kit, started building about a week ago and am in the final stages of finishing it. I almost have everything I need for my "dream" layout, was smart enough ( well, in truth, the Anyrail free version forced me into) to build, on the computer, "stages" to build my layout. But the tables aren't up and should be, the surface I chosen to use should be glued down, track should be partially laid... "oh, but I'm dying!" blah blah blah. I've had enough good days over the past month to have at least gotten SOMETHING done, besides the house. I'll let you in on a little secret. As I said, I've had quite the life and building a model layout is the last thing on my bucket list. Something I promised myself when I had my first railroad at the age of 10-14, when I retired, I'd build the "dream" layout which in reality is fairly simple, fits in the room, track plans are done, it's a matter of DOING. Now, you don't know me, but I know me and I know that I've fallen into every trap in your video! ("Oh, but the poor guy is sick!" Save it. I know I'm procrastinating, lol. ) As it turnouts (see what I did there?!?) I think I WILL start with a smaller layout, one for my son, who has shown interest, one that fits his apartment and is portable, then build mine after. I gain experience, he gains a layout that fits his apartment. This video came at the perfect time for me. I'll be watching it several more times, motivate myself to get started on "a" layout, learn, and THEN build mine! Thanks for the butt kicking, as well as the inspiration!
@@ThePixelDepotLLC Thank you! Moved 2 1/2 hours away from friends and family, makes it difficult to get "physical labour" so coming up with creative ways to get it going. About to have my first two cups of coffee of the day, then moving tables. Watched your video again and no more procrastination! LOL. Even if I live to 100, I still won't have it done. It will be operable, but I already know I'll be making changes. I'm taking your advice and I'm going to at least START and hopefully will have phase one of the layout running, even if I don't have all of the track laid. Just something basic and go from there. Phase 2 and 3 might not even get started, I might find I'm happy with my "first layout. Thanks again for the video, I needed that!- Ken
Some of the best advice I have heard, "the worst enemy of a good plan is the dream of a perfect plan" . It's a good reminder that the best way to start a project is to actually start the project.
Ken, 2 items, 1) I am a designer by trade thus, my RxR suffered for a long time from being a Designasourous. Forever designing and not doing. I broke the cycle by building the tables and just started laying track, with only a little thought. I'm still making mistakes and having a good time. About once a year somebody says "Wow, cool.", then I'm motivated again. 2) Invite people to have a seat at your elevation - It's amazing how much detail is seen when you look at a model at street level.
This is a GREAT video! I haven't seen anyone broach the layout subject so logically. I'm 72 and have been working on my retirement "dream" layout for 9 years now with very little progress. I have built other layouts through the years so have respectable skill levels in all the required areas. My problem is motivation. My wife passed away 5 years ago and my life just seems empty with little purpose. I have no friends in the new location I'm in and there are no clubs or groups to give me some push. As such very little has been done. Maybe 3/4 of the track is functional, 0% scenery and few structures. I have many more pieces of rolling stock than I will ever be able to use, naturally. Your video has given me inspiration to get off my lazy ass and do something. Hopefully I will pay attention to your words!
First, my condolences on your wife. That can be so hard to move on from. I mentioned my video on modeling groups coming up. There may be a concept in there that will help you. Stay tuned!
Why not get involved in your city? Attend City Council/Planning Commission meetings. You'll be surprised how many people you can become acquainted if you're open. Friendships established and developed with little effort. Regarding the "Dream Layout"... often nothing ever needs to be constructed. It's the process that is the exciting element. Dreaming as one designs is the antidote to ownership. Enjoy the path you're on.
I can second the statement about getting involved in the town. While the politics can be frustrating, I've gained some very good friends over the last couple of years by being involved. They aren't MR guys, but we have other things in common.
Roger, do you have hobby shops in your area? They are a great source for local modelers as are train shows and keep an eye out for open houses at other modelers layouts which you can visit along with everyone else there who are looking for help too. I’ve always found the model railroad community to very welcoming and helpful. Good luck in your journey and my condolences.
@@derekalexander4030 The closest hobby shop is about 67 miles away to the northeast. Because of the mileage and gas costs I only hit it once or twice a year. Those folks I've met are local to that area and have no urge or need to come my way. We have one train show in this area and I haven't met anyone wanting to get together. Most modelers in NW Arkansas seem to be about 55 miles in the opposite direction (NW from me) and, again, don't want to drive to my area.
Very well said. I have one word to add: MODULAR. Build that big puppy in individual modules that each can be finished as you go. My little 2x4 oval "small town" layout with an expansion siding will now become an "end point" for a branch line on the "dream layout" and thus I will never have to tear down what I have spent so much time on. Inbound trains (diesel) can "run around" the train after deliveries and pickups and head back out the expansion siding back down the branch line to the main line.. So thus far in my "dream", I have my 6 track yard and my small town oval - on two separate modules yeah my "main line" from town industries to my "storage" yard is about 3 feet (N Scale) but I am running trains and working on model skills.
Way to go! Modular (or dominos as an alternative) can be very useful for the very reason you stated. The challenge with Modular can be trying to hide the gaps, but as you say it does make for little waste.
Thanks for a great video. I am an N scaler and belong to a club with a 4,000 sq ft layout which I run on once or twice a month. I have locked in my third version of a layout I want to build in a 17 x 17 room. I just turned 79 and know I don't have that many years left to build the layout but thanks to this video and encouragement from club members I'm determined to start and enjoy as much of the journey as I can in my remaining years. Thanks for giving me the kick in the butt I needed to start the build. I've got 25% of the benchwork done and will now continue on as much of a set schedule as I can. HAPPY NEW YEAR and keep the great videos coming.
@@ThePixelDepotLLC If you wrote the script today, I was executing my methodology for labeling my rolling stock for operations. Last year, I was obsolutely someone that fell into the category of wanting something I could never build due to the space. Then I focused on the story I wanted to tell and was able to create a point to point switching layout that I am very happy with.
@@HumancityJunction love this approach. It reminds me of a book I bought a few weeks ago, Small Layout Handbook by James Hilton. It got me from option paralysis to actually starting to build a layout. Lightbulb moment: why should I have just one layout? Why not several small vignettes/cameos/stories?
This video was shared in our railroaders (Maerklin India) WhatsApp group. I hope many of the group members get inspired by this video and start building a layout. I totally echo the points articulated here. E.g.: dream layout, space constraints, too busy to spend time on the hobby, let me buy first etc. I'm building a small H0 layout that is 3.5 ft by 6 ft :) Videos like these make us keep going and railroading! Cheers
My dream layout is a strange one. It is dual scale, HO + N. It has a foreground, and a background. The goal would be to have two identical trains in HO and N and a "continuous" run where the HO is in the foreground and enters a tunnel, then after a set delay, the same train exits in the distance, but is the N scale train. In the meantime the HO runs a loop under the layout to exit at the appropriate time as the N scale disappears to it's own loop. A play on depth perception. In the meantime though, I am going to get started this year on a small N scale that has a switching yard and a continuous loop in a small U layout, main focus the railyard, maybe with a hump, with a dual line between the entrance and exit of the yard, squeezed down to a single line thats the loop, add in a few towns and some water, the rear of the loop raised to run above the main level of the layout with a bridge or two. I think I can fit it in a 10' x 8' U.
Ho - N scale forced perspective layout sounds great. I looked at doing that too 🙂. Now building an N-scale, I often "dream' about adding a Z-scale distant perspective. Maybe the Z will go into the bottom of a canyon... Ever heard of TT-scale? Keep planning, making goals.
Spot on. It's easy to be a box stacker but it takes motivation to do something with all that stuff. To me, it's pointless to buy something, be it rolling stock, tools, whatever, and then not use it. To me, the whole concept of a dream layout is a chimera. Every time I get my layout to the "ideal point", I see something I don't like or could improve and get busy changing it. That's what makes this hobby so much fun and downright addictive. That said, I do spend a lot of time sniffing around on ebay!
I live in an apartment and for the longest time had by O gauge train stored away and only pulled out during Christmas or just setting up a random loop on the floor and was stuck in the "no space" crap. Finally a couple years ago, I just went "Hell with it." and built a small 4x6 layout with the only major goal of being able to run these trains whenever I want to and not be restricted to just going to my friend's house to run HO once or twice a month. Maybe one day when I move into a house, I'll build something a little bigger, but I'm very happy with this little layout now.
Hey Joe, I just wanted to say thank you for this video. I was in that dream layout "armchair" modeler place from 2016 until you made this video. It still took the better part of a year after watching it to get started but about a month ago I still wasn't ready to start constructing my HO layout so I decided to put together a much smaller one in N scale so I could actually do something and get started on some of those skills. I now have an assembled 2x4 layout wired, track layed, running trains, and am about a third of the way into my scenery. If I hadn't watched this video I may never have gotten over that fear to take that first step.
Mahalo Unkle (with respect), You are spot on in your thoughts! I'm on Maui, With paradise comes costs Space is upwards of $2/ sq ft per month. Hence the use of outdoor space with Roofs (lanais) But salt air is bad for electronics. My solution is to do a variant of a T Track system. Modules are stored on a Costco wire shelving unit when not being worked on. I have built more modules than can fit on a standard Plastic table. My shop needs a new assembly table so I'm putting a wood cover on a hollow metal door for the new surface table will be on HD casters so it can be moved about. (build in progress now). By using modules I can change the layout every time I set it up. My track is laid but my interconnect wiring is not installed(1 year into build). I have decided to use 4pin old computer power supply plugs for Connections (on order from Amazon now). Every module will be complete with any controls for items on module installed on the module. Just power between modules (two tracks and power for lights and track accessories. My design idea is based on the 60's TV show Petticoat Junction In a modern era with both commuter and freight traffic. I'm using Kato N gauge for track. To switch between eras my plan includes a RR Museum either on layout or off to provide historic engines like steam. I'm 3D printing and now going to use laser cutting for accessories/buildings. No true hobby shops inside driving range and the Paradise Tax (shipping) is unreal. USPS flat rate is the only reasonable shipping from the mainland. My goal is to have a running layout by Memorial Day, 4th of July the latest.
Really good video! I know it got me inspired again. We all need that "kick in the butt" every so often to remind us that we don't live forever. And nothing gets done by itself. I'm 62 now and had my very first joint replacement around two and a half years ago. It was on my right hip. About five months later, I had my troublesome left knee replaced. After that, it was my right knee and then my left hip this past November. I was recovering very nicely and starting to walk without any kind of assistance from a walker or cane. Two days after Christmas, I dislocated my hip joint just getting ready to take a shower. I was in the worst pain of my life and spent two nights in the hospital. My surgeon popped it back into place without having to open me up. Now I'm recovering at home again. Outside of this, I suffer from Rheumatoid Arthritis, Sjogrens, Raynauds, and Fibromyalgia. I do have the time for the hobby, but I'm guilty of procrastination when it comes to drawing out my track plan. I've known for a few years now how I want my layout to look and everything I want to put into it including factories, homes, and businesses. I know the track plan and the lay of the land and I still don't have anything built. I also have the room available. It only needs a little straightening up. I made sure I collected the right rolling stock and locomotives and I'm still buying track and putting it aside for the day I can actually use it. Now don't get me wrong. I plan on starting to build by late winter or spring. I'm afraid of being an "armchair modeler" any longer because I've seen model railroad estate collections being sold piecemeal on Ebay. These collections come from people who might have waited too long to build their layouts. Collecting was as far as they got. They never got to enjoy building and running their train empires. I really don't want to wind up like that. If I don't put the effort forward soon while I'm able to, stands to reason I may not finish it, or ever get started at all. So for all you gents who want to wait until retirement to build your model railroad, you may want to reconsider your timeline based on your circumstances and your health. Starting before retirement would be a better bet.
Sorry to hear about your medical woes. They certainly can put a damper on wanting to do much of anything. But I'm glad to hear you've gotten inspired and hope your layout starts to come together. You might want to check out today's video as well for a couple of other options for getting things done. ruclips.net/video/XMVr16T0-R8/видео.html
Hello Joe, Thank you for such a "REAL" approach to building a model railway. I have to agree with you 100% on the getting to your goal "dream layout" will and does take time. The sooner you start the better and easier it is to build. Simple builds are always the best way to start, simple to build, simple to learn from, working out what it is you really like. I'm 56 in August, thanks to my dad, I have from the age of 12 been into model train. It all started with a tyco Chattanooga small train set on a board in front of the Xmas tree. Since that day, I have expanded on the original layout, still being able to fit in my bedroom. Growing up, selling my layout and moving out. time past, my parents moved, I married, had a son, and as he grew I built another layout for him, ( and me ). This did prove to be a problem, my place of residents did not allow this to happen. Just so happen that my parents place of new residence had a small room to build a 2m by 4m. Perfect for my next build. Unfortunately, my son did not share the same interest as he grew older. No problem, this just meant that I would expand on this layout, as soon as I had the room. As life moves by and time goes by my marriage separated, moved into a place that had room to build, and so it began. This would be a turning point in the hobby, my interest was now European trains, modelling a loose expression of Germany. This gave a lot of experience in moving into DCC and sound. This lasted for a number of years when my career and life took another direction. I pulled apart my layout that had then become a single garage layout, I met a beautiful woman that gave me the support to follow my Goal. I bought a small house and over time was able to save money build a shed and thus became the new residence of my next layout. Building the starts of the next build took place in yet another home moment of my parents, in a single shed in the back yard. This was now to be built an a movable module layout. So currently, the shed is still needing work internally before becoming home for my Dream Layout. This has taken me time and a lot of life changes, but the knowledge on the way has been priceless. In short, I agree with everything you have said in this video. If you have the motivation, you can successfully keep moving to your goal and finally your compromising Dream layout. I now build small layouts for beginner to get interested into this hobby. Thank you for your video for others to digest and drive forward rather than becoming an armchair modeller. Anthony S.
I bought a simple layout for 'my son' to help me move out of the armchair. Then I progressed to a simple winter city around the christmas tree. Both these help me get over my perfectionist tendencies and the idea of perfection in my head (so true what you said) Now I'm about to take the plunge and build a modular layout with my large collection of dust gathering track and stock. Making it modular helps with space when working on it and storing it all. It also means I can screw up a module and switch it out later. I've discovered building is more fun than thinking about build ideas as i have for years. Good vid, thx.
Since I watched this video, I started on a hollow core door in N scale around April of this year, started by setting up the track for fun, then finalized on a track plan what I was going to build, industries, rolling stock, locomotives I was going to use to switch, it all came together what my layout was going to become and eventually added some more to the layout, so when I had the time, I took action, today I will probably be finished with the scenery when I come back from work this weekend, will add more of my vehicles and figurines as well and will be done probably before the end of August (probably before my birthday). Everything he said in this video I use to be, this is my 4th time in N scale, and probably my best, I had big collections in both HO and O, I regret investing so big in those scales, when I built a couple of HO layouts I learned fast how overwhelming and frustrating this hobby can be sometimes, like derailments, electrical problems, maintaining the layout, proper bench work, AND….. products you buy that don’t even work. I wished I learned this sooner when I was in High school, start small, accomplish what’s in front of you, see what you can work with your: time, space, money, and skill, and take time to learn how the railroads work, and maybe (if nearby) join a club, so you can learn and see what you like and can live without.
What’s worked for me is thinking of your dream layout as a collection of scenes. Each scene is a small project layout in itself. I build each scene individually and eventually, when I have the proper space, the scenes will be connected into the dream layout. But for now, I learn new skills and make progress toward the dream layout……with NO wasted effort. Everything I’ve done to date with the four scenes I’ve built will all be incorporated into a larger layout later.
In 1963 Army Dads home with Ho Super chief set round & round cool 50 years of table toys on back burner the I built John Allens switching car game with ground throws and uncoupling ramps cool Not ready for dcc hands off concept in DC still fun static grass and wire trees take it to a nu level ( blue collar budget ) slow collect over Time be practical think manageable fun ! ? Me bommer to !
I had a small 00 collection for 7 years and finally built a proper layout. Its on your classic 8x4 board with a fiddleyard extension but this layout has everything I wanted in a "small" layout. -terminus station -shed and goods yard -asymetric track plan -small harbor -town and nature scenes Cant wait to start making the scenes, last pieces of track arrived today :)
I've been lurking in the hobby for a while now. I don't have a ton of resources but you're right there is no reason why I can't sock away $50 here or there and an hour or two every week to build a little switching layout ontop the bookcase in my room. Thanks for inspiring me to take the plunge
thank you for this video, I am working on a small 2x6 module to practice my skills in both scenery and modeling buildings. the quote "don't let perfect get in the way of good" has really opened my eyes as I have been trying to achieve perfect and make it look like the layouts shown in model railroader. This video has helped to show that it doesn't need to be perfect, its practice and I wont be perfect immediately. Keep up the great work!
Glad it was helpful! Those guys in MR most likely didn't get it to look that way their first time out. So yeah, the practice you get from building pays dividends in the long run.
I started in N scale last year and I looked at all the small layout track plans. I settled on a folded dogbone on a door. Before I committed to gluing the track down I walked away from it. I was nervous about building something that wasn’t expandable. I recently scrapped it in favor of 8 t Trak modules that form a loop. Gone is the “future proof” anxiety. I’m enjoying the process
Glad you’re enjoying it. But even more glad you did JUST walk away from it, but walked away long enough to figure out what was bothering you, then moved forward.
With so many people buying models they just store and never use sure explains why manufacturers make such shoddy products lately: cuz nobody runs them! Great video.
Nice thoughts! I went through this just last year. When covid hit I moved in with my GF... I had already started working on an HO scale layout in a spare room in my appartment. Now in the house with 2 kids, we don't have so much spare room to work with. I decided to pack things up and wait until those stars align and I can get back to that dream layout. In the meantime, I decided to just change my goals instead!! I have a small 8x7 room in the basement that I use as a little home office. I decided to switch up scales and eras to build an 8"x8' N scale layout depicting the Canadian Pacific in the 60's in a freelanced urban area. The previous plan was set in the 80's and I wanted it to be a larger area of my hometown and surroundings with lots of detail... buildings with interiors, detailed locomotives and cars, the whole 9 yards!! Now on the new layout the focus is more on kitbashing structures, getting something operational and not focus so much on the little details. It's different but I still enjoy it!! The cool thing is it's just a drop-in shelf that I can easily take anywhere. When we do move to a bigger house in which I can get the ultimate goal done, I already have something going on here!!!
Excellent video. No one likes to hear the truth, especially if it hits home. My storage boxes are full of the engines and rolling stock you referred to! While I am still "planning" my "dream layout While I am still "planning" my "dream" layout, I have taken the first step by building a small diorama. It is just a small 12" x 12" piece of wood, but I laid track, ballasted it, and did some scenery. It went much better than I had anticipated. I have come to the realization that a small switching layout is a great first step to hone the skills necessary to build later projects. Thanks for the encouragement to press on!
Starting with a diorama can be an excellent way to you. You're getting some experience under your belt (especially with ballast, which I know from experience can be difficult and frustrating). Totally agree with you about the switching layout. Glad I could help. Let me know if you need any more "encouragement!"
Very thought provoking but I totally agree with you. Something simple as a small shelf layout is all you need to get started and learn about the hobby. For me it’s always a point to point shelf layout and I encourage all to set a goal in building something simple . Happy New Years
Spot on, Joe! I always encourage anyone getting into the hobby to spend time working and operating on others' layouts, which allows lots of helpful discussion and the right questions being asked. I would add to always build a layout in moveable sections as someday, every layout has to move for life changes and not burdening surviving spouses with dismantling and selling something they often know nothing about. Thank you for great advice for novices and those of us experienced layout builders who still need the occasional nudge...I hope lots of experienced guys forward this video often. Cheers!
Very good presentation. Yes, I sat for a LONG time, wishing, hoping, planning, and building freight cars and accumulating locomotives. I was part of a local club, but that disintegrated into a debating society and they lost interest in running trains. I got addicted to various video outlets and got hungry for the smell of fresh-cut plywood and pine. I started with a test track, then the test track had a siding and some turnouts added, then a "switching area", now it's a shelf layout running around two rooms (almost). You are right, the secret is "just get started". The other BIG fallacy that I lived with for a long time was the idea of "done". I finally realized that there is no reason not to go back and change or rebuild areas of a layout that seem finished but the plan or the building isn't up to my current abilities. It frustrates my wife t see me go back and rip up an area that seems done. If the trains don't run well, then one avoids any further work on the layout, so upgrades are vital to your project.
Things are never done. My mother-in-law frequently asks me when I’ll be “done”. I think I’ve finally made her start to realize that the hobby is not about the destination, but the journey.
Great video I’ve recently retired and begun a major project I once had a 650 sq ft layout in my gallery basement dc control . It was 14 years into its building and only half completed. Then due to being diagnosed with cancer and also reaching retirement I had to dismantle and move home . Moving forward I now have a garage converted into a fabulous railway studio but a much smaller space only 200 sq ft . So I decided on a three deck layout but only 60 cm wide and also a complete change from dc to dcc which I’ve never done before. Although I ve made major progress building alot of the bench shelf work I’ve become ‘ lost ‘ and disillusioned with where I am . Mines a British fictional layout. Maybe it’s a SAD syndrome I’m going through, Seasonal adjusted disorder or maybe it’s something else. I do obviously have modelling experience of about 15 years and been on a couple of tv competitions building model railways , Biggest Littlest Railway in the World, Great Model Railway Challenge, Hornby A Model World . But I’m struggling with my current situation and unsure what to do. A major concern is wiring up an alien concept ie dcc to a three tier layout . Worse though is that although I have so much more time now than when I was working full time and still put hundreds of hours into the 650 square ft layout, now I’m struggling after only a year into this new project to keep motivated and currently seem to have a mojo that’s flatlined. I’m really unsure how to proceed in the time I may have left .
I find that when motivation goes it's usually because people are either unsure about the concept or just not really in love with it. Sounds like you may be running into that. My advice would be to take a step back and question the choices you made, if for no other reason than to validate that they're the right ones. I suspect you'll get to at least a couple that you don't feel good about. Those are the ones to change. Good luck!
Since getting into the hobby back in 2015, I have basically been running my trains on a floor "layout" usually seasonally (O scale Lionel fast-track). I started the process of finishing my basement about a week ago which I hope to have done by the end of this month/middle of next month. Even the basement Reno kind of goes along the lines of " don't let great get in the way of good" as the basement will mostly be for the layout and a small hangout area and saving money where I can so it can go into the layout build is always a factor. I don't need the best flooring, wall, lighting, etc. Heck, Im just painting the ceiling and rafters so it looks a little more finished. This year we couldn't do a floor layout bc I have a 1 yr old and that would not have gone well. Missing the ability to run trains was a good motivator to start something that was already in the plans to do, but just needed that little extra push. I think if you are someone who has a collection but not a layout and always wanted one, you should take time to just look at some items in your collection as often as possible as a reminder to get going so you can enjoy the items you have spent money and time on. Before you know it, the time you could have been enjoying the hobby will be gone and you'll be even further behind or worse, it'll never happen. I agree with the video that something is better than nothing. Even if it is getting a layout on a folding table so you can run trains and practice some modeling on, its worth it. Happy modeling to all and hope those out there trying to get their own layout going success.
Solid advice. I will say that you don't want to cut costs on the room so much that it's not a comfortable place to spend time. You want to make sure that the layout room is inviting _enough_ that you want to be there.
When I lived in my rental apartment I just constructed my layout on the floor using Bachman ez track and loosely placed buildings and tunnels. I made hills out of styrofoam all the switches and train running was done from my phone and why’ll I watched tv I had trains running on my floor. I wasn’t going to let an apartment stop me from enjoying the hobby
Great video, stop thinking and start doing. I’m modelling in English OO I started off with a 4x1’ inglenook puzzle (switching) layout and then a 6x4’ tail chaser. I’m now comfortable starting a much bigger layout. A semi modular 3x4’ sections layout. So I can add sections to make it larger.
Great video and mostly correct! I just have not started the layout because I am afraid of messing up like I did on all of the previous layouts. I have finally started though. Simplicity will be my motto so I hope!!! For a lot of us "bigger is to much money". I'm now building a point to point road with the ability to enlarge it to a point to point with a 4 by 16 foot island in the middle of my room. I'm 76 years old and I really don't know if I hive the time left to do what I want but I will try. Get the point to point to my liking and then tackle the large island. My road is the RSCD&C first initials of all of our names. Videos eventually to come!!! No duck under just a walk around road. In everything I have ever done in modeling my goal was to have a museum quality modeling but if you fall short, you will still have a pretty great model. I have mostly fallen short of perfection but have had several great looking models. Go for great and if you fall short you will have a better model that the person that strives for "good enough".Simplicity is where I am starting this time. I don't comment on many things I see because I have been told that my comments are mostly insendary even though all I tend to want to do is improve their modeling or videoing.Going to send you an email...
Yep that’s me! Afraid to fail and so tunnel focused on figuring out my specific locations, stories behind the layout, and wanting everything perfect/right: the ‘dream layout’ spoken of here. Excuse of constant research on top of getting the room in my outbuilding into a finished room (which is now complete). I’ve told myself I’m going to start to ‘just build’ and here I still sit.
You got this! While I think research is important, at some point you have to say “good enough” and just get started. You can always make changes later.
A-Men, Brother Parker!! I started with my first train set (TYCO Long hauler) 50 years ago... I now have many locomotives, a slew of rolling stock, buildings and such. Now that I am 60, I do have my layout room, 12 x 16 feet. Now I can get to work. Some skills take longer to master than others. And some are better left to your friends.... Happy Build Year!!
The only steps I’ve taken in my dream layout so far is weathering rolling stock, and building small 2x4 modules to keep on on wiring/soldering, and seeing what works so I’m ready to go… the main hold up is the construction of the building to house the layout, construction is on hold during the winter. My timeline for the final layout is by the end of this year, building construction is done, within 5 years, all benchwork is done and trains can run the entire length of track, within 15 years, most of the major details are done, within 20 years the small details come together. I built my original dream layout alongside my grandfather from 2004 up to 2014, taking up 1000sqft, originally starting as a 4x8 sheet of plywood, then 2, then 4, and kept expanding. Many clubs I’ve been a part of, and many others I have visited, the fear always around the corner is what happens if the building owner chooses to not renew the lease. Having to find a new space, and tear everything down and start again is the worst, decades thrown into building it up, I’m building something that ends up in the hands of a club, where that fear never exists. It’s final iteration will change over the years, the benchwork and track plan will change, but 30,000sqft is definitely a long term build, nearing completion by my wife and I some time when I’m nearing retirement.
I wouldn’t say “the only steps.” You are making progress towards a layout, so don’t minimize your efforts. Glad to see you have timelines for your goals. That will help you get there!
Thanks Joe. This is very true, and not very incendiary IMHO. I think back to my teens and had I approached building something much smaller than what I attempted at one point, I would have gotten it done. (Also, had Kadee couplers become the de facto standard a decade sooner I would have discovered how much I enjoyed switching.) After I put the trains away for a few years I took them out again and have built a couple of small layouts, one of which was never intended to have scenery and was fine without it. Building relationships with the modelers and operators who will answer questions and give encouragement is important. Yes, you need the right friends. I have the next step layout-the next set of goals-underway, and I might attack it slowly, but I’m having a good time with it. My first goal this year is to make a portion of the railroad fully operational (a plan for industries, fine-tuning track, adjusting weights and coupler heights of cars, and creating the car cards and waybills) so I can begin enjoying operating a part of it while I continue to enjoy building the rest.
No one can have their dream layout. You can sure have a layout, however. I am building my 3rd n scale 1:160 and I have my 2nd major OO 1:76 layout. This time my OO got it’s own room. It has been proven time and again, a small shelf layout can be very engrossing, satisfying and impressive.
Great video! This is true of almost anything. If you really want to make/do something, you'll find the time and space and money. Give up youtube one day a week, don't go out to lunch, clean out the basement...you'll find a way. It annoys me when people say "I wish I had the time to do what you're doing." I have a job, three kids, a house...I'm busy, but I make the time because I love it. Your point about people "Liking the idea of being a modeler" is so true. Buy all the tools, pieces, etc...but then no execution. I hope your video motivates some people (those who might be scared) to just go for it! Take it one step at a time and have fun.
Outstanding video, thank you! I'm just getting into the hobby, and I had convinced myself that the only way to start was to go all the way. Your video has made me realize that I have so much to learn, and starting with something realistic would be far more beneficial than staring on a "dream". Oh, I've got to say that I'm a bit envious of all the Chessie System locomotives. I would really like to model part of the Chessie System railroad from the late 70's, as it was in west Michigan. Thanks again for a truly inspirational video!
Glad you're starting small. Now is kind of a Golden Age for Chessie stuff. Athearn especially has been releasing a lot of locos in Chessie paint. You should be able to find some on eBay. (Just don't overpay!)
I started my 7th layout, my dream layout, 17 years ago, but even then, I built in stages to make it more fun and get things running relatively quickly. Great advice. Even today, I have highly scenicked areas and areas with track only. I drew a plan for the entire layout with CadRail to ensure minimum radii on my mainline, but developed industrial switching areas gradually and even now I made a change in one area and have not finished in one of the last areas. I suggest starting with an island style 4 by 8, with access on all four sides or your great “Grunge” style model RR design. Keep telling the truth!
I’ll be honest, I’m not a fan of the island-style layout l, especially the “classic” 4x8, because it’s such a poor use of space. (Yes it does give you the option of a loop but it’s a floor space eater. ) but I’d suggest a linear shelf layout to anyone.
I certainly have a dream layout but I know especially in O scale, you do not have the luxury of space. So while I mess around in scarm time to time to realize this “dream” I have been slowly building out a tangible layout. Have recently started planning an expansion from 8’x12’ to double it. This goal mindset is a very useful one as while my layout may never be that dream, it works towards being a useful and engaging one. Each goal has slowly built my layout over the past 15 years and now Im getting to a place where goals seem much more in reach then even a few years ago.
My name is Troy. I have watched this video and my layout is far from being complete. It is pre-2020. It is a larger type layout, but right now I just run trains in a loop. However, I will be adding a section almost strictly for switching. But that will come in time. Also, eventually I will be starting stuff on my list I have devised. Number one on the list, weathering. I tried two so far. One I did, was heavy on the rust, and the other is not grimy enough. But I will be practicing more. I just need to stop getting more engines and rolling stock. But I have a lot of fun doing what I do. But, I wanted to thank you for the idea of a list of things to try. Thanks, Joe.
Always glad to help. That said, while I think weathering is important, it’s not going to make a noticeable difference in progress on the layout. You might feel better if you finished a project or two that showed the layout moving forward?
Great video. Applies to all areas, not just model railroading. I started with joining a modular club. I am now convinced that modular is the only way to build a model railroad whether you are building a first time layout or a "dream" layout. The layout can expand and grow as you progress. Start small and then grow. There are so many other advantages to modular modeling and few disadvantages. It be great to have you do a series of videos on modular railroading.
I’m a fan of sectional and dominoes for a home layout, but feel like adhering to Modular standards might be too limiting. That said, Fre-mo intrigues me.
You have said so many bits of useful advice in just 20 minutes and hopefully people are now goal setting. I have built a few layouts, always in n scale, but have never finished any. I have time, I am retired, but no much in the way of disposable income. But I decided to set myself a goal, I wanted to complete a layout and hone my skills. So I decided to put the current project on hiatus until I have completed a easier to complete layout. So the project, which is now, just waiting for rolling stock, static grass and trees, But the rest of it which is the terrain and ground covering is completed. It is on a piece of 1 1/2" foam and the foam is 21" long and 5" wide. Nothing more than a photo plank really. There are no points, but the track is 2 lengths and soldered together and it is wired by soldering the underside of the track. It is Hon30 and even though I am an Australian, it is specifically Hon30, Both the State Government Railway had a narrow gauge network of 2'6" and the loggers used a gauge between 2' and 3' on the whole. At the moment I am waiting for the holiday season to finish, before ordering some rolling stock. But in the meantime I have scratch built a guards van (caboose) and a passenger carriage and am half way through a static locomotive, all built out of card. As you can imagine this project which is currently less than a month old, has given me more satisfaction, then all the others, which I have never finished. So what I would add to your remarks is that your first completed layout does not have to be even as big as The Grunge.
I hope people are goal setting, as well! Your project layout sounds like it might have been just what you needed to break the "not making progress on my big layout" cycle. Good luck!
Just happened to have YT suggest this video. All of the things you bring up are very true. Now if I can just get up out of my chair and actually start working on something. Thanks for sharing.
This is a good video and the content is very good. My first layout started when I was 12 and it was a 4x8. At age 66, I am now on layout #6 and it is a huge U shaped one in my basement. Honestly, when I got done with the framework for the current layout, I had a thought that I was taking on a monumental project. However over the course of four years, I have pretty much covered it with track and structures and have met goals of operation and things I wanted on the layout. The moral of the story is to start building a small layout and over time, expand that layout into something bigger. Model railroading is a lot of fun and doing all the necessary things such as designing a layout, carpentry , electrical, laying track, doing scenery and running the layout is a wonderful journey.
Another moral to the story: the fact that you’re on #6 is a testament that the current layout isn’t necessarily the *last* layout. There’s usually another opportunity.
Excellent video! Brutal honesty is not initially accepted, but is absolutely required, especially when you plan to (or have) spend a lot of money, time and effort. Your Grunge series is a great way to do a project layout. I've been planning for 20yrs. Now I have the motivation to get going. Thanks for all you tips and the Grunge series.
Glad you took it the way it was intended! Thanks for the kind words about The Grunge and I’m glad you’ve enjoyed it and it’s helped. Keep me posted on your progress!
Well, I'm a little different! I started building my dream layout 3 years ago!! What I thought was going to be a 10X6 HO layout (this would be my 5th Layout) Well a big well, because I actually built my dream Railroad, still working on it and enjoying it. It is much larger than I anticipated, but we have a lot of fun with it and as my modeling skills got better I decided to upgrade parts of my railroad! Excellent video and advice. I've been modeling for over 30 years, but I'm learning everyday!!! Thanks for the info!!
Some people DO get to build their dream layout and that’s great. But not building an layout because it’s not your dream is silly IMO. But then you knew that from the video. 😉
Some great advice. I’m starting my first layout at age 52 and my “space” is limited to a coffee table 32” square. This is going to dictate a lot of what I can do so I’m just starting with 2 loops one raised around the back of the layout and sufficient points to allow for either loop to be accessed from a central shunting yard. I would love a turntable and an engine shed but that’s just crazy talk at this stage.
Thanks so much for making this video, as I've been stuck - in analysis paralysis - tying to figure out how to build my realistic dream HO scale layout in a small bedroom. So, instead of getting it all figured out, I need to start with one small section. Maybe even a tiny 4-6 foot long layout that has nothing to do with what I'll eventually end up with. Thank-you...
@@ThePixelDepotLLC Thanks for the response, and I'll start watching that series now. And if you'll enable your RUclips "Thanks" button, then I can toss a little something in your tip jar from time to time.
Found your channel a few months ago and since then i have kept watching and im happy to say i started a layout not long after watching ep1 of The Grunge, my problem was i always wanted something big but never considered have a small shelf layout to have fun
I have an 11x11 L shape layout thats about 3 feet thick. For about a year I didnt have anything permenent and I Loved it. I ended up making a double track main over and under bent figure eight. It's a fantastic layout and I'm very happy with it. Biggest tip is don't make it flat. Adding height adds interest.
Awesome video. I started building my 'dream' layout thirty or so years ago. I had the time and motivation, but luckily not the space or money. Because of that I started small and built a portion of it using the dreams and ill guided desires at the time. I still have a decent portion of that layout having corrected many of the mistakes I learned over the years, changing road names, goals and a significant bit of benchwork. It remains the most problematic portion of the layout as I continue to correct track issues. I'm so glad I didn't go all out and build a huge layout my first time out or I probably would have frustrated myself into quitting. My current layout has very little resemblance to that distant 'dream' I once had, but has given me years of enjoyment, simply because I jumped in and started small.
If you want to see progress on your dream layout you need a phased delivery plan. The one layout I started was terrible and was destroyed before track was laid. The stars have finally aligned for my dream of a garden railway BUT I'm being REALISTIC with a PHASED delivery plan that takes your railway from nothing to good to perfect. For me that means a simple loop made roughly using planks and blocks to get trains running then slowly adding details, replacing planks with bridges/trellis, adding tunnels and landscaped embankments. Extending the railway with new loops, stations, sidings. From a trains perspective it's the same but with more focus on cost cutting. I'll be relying on battery powered kits rather than scratch building dream steam locos to save money and make sure I don't waste time/money on something I'm not sure I'll enjoy when I can spend it on track laying and landscaping. The perfect/good also comes into play in compromising when deciding how realistic/time correct you want things to look. A flexible period/location/scale accuracy is important in delivering real results, even if you're aiming for perfection. You could even build you dream layout in sections as individual layouts if it works for you.
So true .. I was going down this road of buying for buying is easy. Then I got so fed up of the boxes I just jumped right in with a tiny oval from my first ever train set as a kid. I've made mistakes, but you are 100% correct in everything you say. I've learnt more through doing it and tbh it was great fun. I have unfortunately no space for it, so ive gotta work out how to get it on a wall hinge or something.. but I didn't let that hold me back.
@@ThePixelDepotLLC it's on a thin wooden board. I want to build a couple of hinged arms from the cabin wall so that it can sit on the arms and be swung up when not in use... Remembering to glue the scenery down of course 🤣
Hi Joe, I've just revisited this video to help with some re-focus. The Grunge was my eureka moment when I realised what I really wanted from my layout and found your guidance invaluable. I know this is an old video but I hope this comment finds you well and that we get to see your "brand" of witty and inspirational films again soon.
This is a great video and I feel called out with some of your points, haha. Biggest thing for me is I start doing a layout, get to a certain point and realize that I'm working on it and it is not hitting what I want. I've done this 3 or 4 times. I think the biggest issue I have is I really enjoy switching, both industrial and yard, but want to also sit back and watch long trains through scenes. I'm in N scale so that would allow for both so that would allow. I also think your whole "don't want to screw up, especially when money is involved" is the big one for me. With so many other financial priorities, I tepidly went into each one of those previous endeavors unsure I would ever be able to finish it and the financial outlay (both large and HCD layouts).
I think some of the points I called out later in the video could really help you when planning the next one. Also take some time to consider what you were trying to achieve with each layout and also why in each case you felt they didn't hit the mark.
One thing I’ve done to get over my perfectionist approach’s is take a different approach to my railway and I am treating it as my own railway company and will develop a story around it in the process, it also allows me to do things unrealistically as i live in the uk and making a uk layout I find it a shame we don’t do freight the same way as America as our freight is all containers or large industry’s, on my layout I’m going to make a modern approach to the classic way of doing freight
Just wanted to say "Thanks "and for being on the level. I can't begin to say how many videos I have watched, only to extend my dream. Seeing what appears to be masterpieces. Then fall right back asleep. I can't believe that I have never caught your great channel before. Nows the interesting thing? Door size downtown, city traction/ trolley. Early sixties? One benefit? Minimal, Minimalistc terrain? I suppose, more diorama than operating. So with all said, and especially, encouraging words, along with realistic motivation from this great video. I'm off to catch the trolley. Thanks. Best regards. Dave.
Great video for anyone. I needed this. I have gotten brain freeze with all I want to do. So I’ll be taking your advice and break it down to small steps. Also not worry about being perfect.1st the benchwork building approximately 8.5’x10’. I will be subscribing to your Facebook page to post my progress. That might keep me committed. Thanks for your sound advice.
Nice vid! Thanx for sharing! I think there's a misconception about small layouts and sacrificing. I find that building a small layout or diorama can be a very rich, complete and rewarding exercise. And not sacrificing at all. You can tell a whole story on a bookshelf or less! Really! So when people have trouble starting, I totally agree with you. Pick up something small! Do something! Practice! There is so much fun you can have on a 1x2 foot layout! So much you can add, so much detail you can think of, really people: just start!
Great video! Just wanted to share that watching through the Grunge playlist and the “I don’t have the space” videos helped me pull the trigger on my first layout. I’m space limited in my apartment and decided a 2’X6’ board that slides under my couch would work best. I’ll be limited height wise with scenery but I’ll have removable structures. Thanks again!
I was in a situation where the covid lumber prices put a damper on my big layout plan that I had drawn up. I had some leftovers from a previous layout where I had made a test track in my new house. I got tired of running a locomotive either for testing or just to see it run. Back in the early summer of this past year, (2022) I decided to actually change all that. I already had 12x1 space not doing anything. I went to the local big box store and picked up some 1x4 and the whatever I didn't already have and made an 18x1 shelf layout. I found several plans that I liked. I finally settled on one, made some modifications, and built it. I took several hours per week for several weeks and eventually had all the track laid, turnout motors installed, feeders wired, etc. I was up and running. While I was doing that, I ordered a set of backdrops. They are definitely not the best nor the cheapest, but they do the job they are intended to do. Since then, I have changed jobs, and my time home is different, so when I am home, I try to do something on the layout every day for an hour or a specific task. By doing all of the work I have done, I'm definitely a fine example of doing something better than doing nothing at all. In addition to working on this layout, i made and set goals of achieving the NMRA Civil and Electrical certificates with this shelf layout and the extrnsion that I am adding in the next few weeks. If you're interested in seeing what I'm doing, my FB layout page is Mid-America & Northwestern Railroad.
Congrats on all your progress. Lumber prices did certainly spike (part of why I haven’t expanded the MCTD yet) from COVID and out a damper on things. But I’m glad you were able to make something you’re really enjoying and able to make progress on!
I agree with lots of your points here I’m currently modeling out of legos and I always carved out time every week to work on it. I want to get into ho scale and I am starting to inch myself twords build a small ho scale layout I’m currently starting to aquire some models and I am going to attend days at my club where we work on the layout. Small goals help you take baby steps in the right direction. You were spot on man good luck.
Been collecting rolling stock and kits since I was a teenager, but moving and apartment living left me only space enough to build a few kits and not a whole layout, started several small switching layouts, one never got past the bench work stage, But I have finally been able to buy a house, with a dry basement, Not an enormous basement but I no longer have to move and I've already started.
I just realized the same thing last week. Rather than spend all of my time trying to figure out what my dream basement layout would be, I ordered an Atlas track pack for a 4x8 layout so I can actually do something. Looking forward to finally seeing some movement!
I watched the this video a year and a half ago and it got me off the couch. I built a 2x4 N scale lauout and it was the perfect size to get started and I learned practical skills as well what I need to do as I think about the next one.
This was really helpful to me! You make a lot of really good points and it’s helped me to put things in a different light! I’m fairly young in this hobby, my early twenties, and sometimes I see the older guys in this hobby and their layouts and their tendency to “purist” attitudes has made me feel a bit intimidated. I also couldn’t help but laugh to myself when I watched because this idea of a “dream” layout and how specific it is for everyone but for me…it was for a layout to even exist at all! I don’t exactly specific grandiose plans because I never did! Everything I’ve ever collected or was handed down was a mish mash of stuff. Childhood me just wanted layout at all. So I do have a plan but it’s not specific, I just want it to happen. But these tips are what I feel can help me get the ball rolling, so I thank you so much!
I have a lot of Athearn DC HO engines I bought in early 80s, I'm concerned they say to convert to DCC, which is expensive by itself, you should also replace the motors because they draw too much current. I took down a ON3 layout years ago that I used Dept 56 buildings just to trying it out in a 12x12 layout with multiple levels, but not knowing much I really caused all the track issues I had. With fixed income and lack of space, I doubt I could do it now, but your suggestion to start small and build up, modular as someone put it, is a good idea.
It depends on how big your layout is and how many locos you intend to run at the same time. Most DCC systems will handle a handful of the older engines all at once. But if you have more than that, remotoring may be the right move. Also, for a small layout, sticking with DC may not be an issue. It all depends on what your operational goals are.
Your video motivated me to set a goal. I'm not going to watch any more RUclips videos that are in any way criticism of me. 😆 Yes, your video describes my armchair approach to modeling. Thankfully, I don't currently own any locos, rolling stock, structures, scenery or control systems. What I do have is an idea of prototype, era, location, type of traffic, type of operation, and overall layout design that I think can be achieved in many small steps with each building on work done in prior steps. My approach is to start small, learn new skills as I go and apply them accordingly. If along the way I decide my "dream" needs adjustment, I won't be out too much. Thanks for the kick in the butt; I mean encouragement.
Nice. You had me going for a second. Since you haven't gone down the road of acquiring things, I think you might be exempt from this. You are in realistic planning mode, and I think starting small, buying what you need, and building up as you go is a very smart way to go. Let me know how it goes!
Well, hit me then help me up. Push me to move but then overwhelm me with the tasks. I’m gonna try to do this because I finally have the room, space, and some funds but you told me not to start my dream layout because it’s too big and I don’t know how. Wow! I sure am glad you have a nice voice because all of the other ones I have in my head telling me I have to do this first but I need this first and so on and so on, are the same old voices that have stopped me, myself, lol. Thanks for the push……and pull. Maybe I’ll make a list.
Looks like you’re in “catch up TPD videos” mode! 😉 Sorry if I blew your mind. I mean, start your dream layout if you want, but be prepared to make changes and adjustments along the way. A list is helpful, and can help organize things in your head.
That was meant tongue in cheek and the end , I’ll make a list, was meaning that I’ll make a list was me going to procrastinate. Reread the comment with sarcasm in mind. Sorry it wasn’t more clear that I was joking.
@@derekalexander4030 ah! Tone, especially with sarcasm, can be tough in comments. Especially with so many different voices chiming in. I usually drive it home with the wonky emoji just so there’s no question.
Great video, Joe. I'm moving into my own space this year, and I *will actually* have the space for a layout, probably not my dream layout. +1 for the reminders about breaking out goals and tasks. In the past I've both started and finished and given up on projects. Getting started is always the hardest, but once I'm going its hard to stop.
Ok I have to come back and say something here. Between this video (frankly the first one RUclips recommended to me.) and your series on building “The Grunge”. I have to say you have definitely given me a lot to think on and I have to say I’m finally going to tackle my own modular layout just to get my feet wet in the hobby.
@@ThePixelDepotLLC Well I did find information outside here to help get the idea rolling. Especially on how some modelers do T-Track modules and frankly that looked appealing because I can work on a section at a time. I’ll be sure to post videos of this layouts progress.
I am *just* - and I mean just - getting into this hobby (my first track or locomotive hasn't even arrived yet) - BUT this all makes so much sense based on other hobbies I've had in the past. I think *everyone* coming into the hobby should be made to watch this video FIRST. Thanks! 👍
Great advice. I am currently working on my fourth layout which I'd call my "Dream layout". It's definitely been overwhelming at times. It hasn't gotten much attention since about this time last year. I had a long summer, followed by an injury that left my left shoulder unusable until it has recovered. I'm just getting back to the point of being able to use both arms, and will started making my goal list for the next six months. Goal one - Clean the layout room. Hopefully I'm be able to get trains running again soon. BTW I have still been able to run my trains, at my club.
Seasonal cycles happen, and injuries certainly have an effect. But you can set those goals any time of year and while injured. Just keep moving forward!
Thank you for sharing these very useful tips. I find most will tell you to go big, but I’ve been resisting, knowing it would be too much a challenge for me. After researching for over a month, figuring out what I want (answering the points you mentioned), I can proudly say I feel reassured small will work just fine for me. Now to the plan 🥳
Thank you for this video ,I have the time and the space and some money i have set aside to get started . I just needed the push you just gave to get going. I have a two room garage That has a bit of clutter in it so my first job is to get it cleaned out , so that's my first goal. Again Thank you I literally came across this video by accident and am glad I did.
Hi Joe. Just found your channel and really enjoyed this video. It touched a chord with me in so many areas. I’m just about to start my fourth layout not having finished any of the others for many of the reasons you have given. My wife and I have just downsized our home having moved to North East Scotland from North West England. We are about to have the garage converted to a hobby room and so I will have a space for the layout, not too much as single garages over here are not very big and I war-game with model soldiers too. Time won’t be a problem though as we are now both retired. I’m certainly going to be following your tips and with some luck I may even have finished the layout by my 70th birthday in 2024😂 I have subscribed and will be following your videos in the future. All the best for 2023. Keith
I work in a third party waarehouse. Transportation of goods and services is the name of the game. Moving that concept to model railroading was eye opening. Releasing me from the Christmas tree railroad mentality. I do enjoy watching them go around for a time. But giving them a purpose and a destination is so much more fulfilling
I can watch a train go around once… maybe twice. And then I want to deliver something. 🙂 So, I agree with you. Having a purpose is so much more fulfilling. For me, anyway.
I started my first real attempt at a layout this summer. It's an N Scale loop, about 3.5x7, and I wanted to run the California Zephyr through the rockies and California. This is nowhere close to my original plan and I found that by A. Learning more about the kinds of rolling stock and things I was actually interested my plan changed drastically and B. Greatly simplifying my original trackplan in to just an oval with a siding made all of the flextrack laying and DCC wiring (things I'd never done before) seem much more achievable and generally easier to accomplish. Pretty much everything in your video is something I've found to be true and I firmly believe if I had gone any larger to start with my layout would have stayed on paper
Good advice, Joe. I have a 10’x13’ HO layout that is, for all intents and purposes, complete. I still tweak details and run ops sessions but continue to have a modelling itch. I have recently become enamoured with British style shelf layouts. I will probably build another switching shelf layout that I can take to train shows.
My wife and I built a 1.8m by .90m layout in N scale and it took us over a year and it cost us over $3000.00 AU, but it was great to build as a project that we could do together and yes we made 5 mistakes. But considering this was our first layout attempt, we had a great time making it and it is great. We learnt a lot and would like to build another one slightly bigger, but space is now the major stopper. This is not an excuse, but a true reason. Our next layout, we would like it to be 1.2m by 2.00m and move into a mountain scene as opposed to our small township layout.
If you've got a layout and used up your space, I wouldn't look at not having more space as an excuse! Can you put the mountain scene into the same layout footprint and compromise with other aspects a little bit?
Many truths, you just put in the table ! You truly understand, what many of the "modelers" are passing trough . I see my self in. many of your statements. Thank you.
This was a very well done video. In my case, the "dream layout" would require a small warehouse! 😁 What I did for my current layout was to look at my given space and design the layout from there based on what I enjoy in modeling. I now have a layout that is two levels and it allows me to have continuous running or point to point operations. I have had to compromise and I cannot run huge engines (sorry no UP Big Boy) nor can I have 150 freight cars on the main. I do have plenty of operations between industries and some minimal passenger service. All this in a 10x16 room with trackage rights through the laundry room to get to the helix. A friend wants me to put a hole in the wall next to the yard to add a removable fiddle yard for op sessions. I am not sure if the wife will allow it. 🥰
Thanks for the kind words! Sometimes you have to back away from those grand dreams. But! It sounds like you're having a good time with your scaled-back plan!
Thank you for making this video! I've been into model trains since I was a young kid. I'm 42, now, and still have yet to build even one layout (not counting all those times I slapped some track together on a book case or on the floor to have a little fun). I think it's about time I stop dreaming and buying and start planning something simple to get the taste of victory! (...and so I can play with my trains like a grown-up) :)
I tore down my layout towards the end of 2022, plan was to immediately rework it so i had better bench work and better access to every inch of it. Lost ambition, but got some trains for Christmas and now im motivated to get it done and im really close
So true man there's always times to build a layout I've been out of the hobby for about 15 years and I recently started building another small layout didn't think I had space at all until the day came that I really was just sick of not being able to run trains anymore. I own and operate a small business I have three kids in the house time is definitely very limited for me but i usually run trains and work on it in between 11 PM and 1 AM got to make sacrifices for the things that you enjoy. I look forward to those late night operating sessions sometimes it's the only way that I can clear my mind. I still have a lot of work to do on the layout but I had a basic track plan down and was running trains in less than two weeks
You were extremely accurate with several of your points with where I'm at. Thanks for the kick in the pants and a few ideas on how to attack the hurdles I've come across.
Talk about a wake up call to the Arm chair group, you were as settle as a train wreck! Oh, all great points on holding out building a layout. Dream layout, I started mine 2015 and still working on it. It is my 4th layout which I cut my teeth on bench work, track work which like building a house, a bad foundation on a layout is a death sentence. In our group we have 2 guys that are the subject of your Video, one guy will preorder anything new a manufacture releases, has he ever run his stuff on one of our layouts? No, I asked him one time why he did not and his answer was he liked to look at them. I will give you one of my sayings" Good, Better, Best never rest till Good is Better and Better is Best"
I’m not known for my subtlety. 🙂 To your point about the guy who orders everything: I get it, it’s all pretty but pictures are a lot cheaper! The beauty of model railroading is that it’s one of the few model types that actually MOVE. I don@5 see the point of having it all with no plan to actually see it do what it’s meant for. Now, I’m not faultless in the “got stuff in boxes” thing either, but at least I have a bunch of things that are up and running.
It was tough listening to the first ten minutes, but it got better and better. I'm going to printout those statements about dream vs. goal vs. plan and deciding on a modest number (5 ?) steps to actually make it take a shape. Thanks
Thanks for the video! I'm working with a team of creators I'm only 15 working with 50 to 60 to 80 year Olds were making a layout from Minneapolis and st.paul mn to elk river mn it's being based off of a branch line to the 1920s to the 1960s Your video is really helpful and I'm currently making a layout! We're doing dcc but we are ready to lay track! Thanks again!
@@ThePixelDepotLLC yea its nice im more of track laying and foam cutting and weathering bc i have worked on weathering for about 5 years now i started model railroading in 2014 and i have loved trains since i was about 3 months old!
Very interesting video. I had my first layout at age 14 and since then, I learned a lot! I'm now 31 and by the time I got my house, I finally planned and started to build my layout with very strong goals as you said. So now, I'm at the step to build the trackage and it's easier fo me with all those skill I got from the past. ;) Just to let you know, I'm modelling CN in the 2000's and my layout is goiung to be an industrial one with a small yard but with a lot of industries to serve and switch. It will be so cool when done. Thanks for your good video :)
EXCELLENT VIDEO! I might have the the absolutely best excuse(s) as to why I'm an armchair (wheelchair?!?) model railroader. I'm terminally ill. That's right, the train is about to leave the station. When? "We" don't know. But Even I have fallen into the traps you've mentioned. On a day to day basis, time is not a factor for me. Now, as to "when the train is leaving the station" ( you know, when I get my ticket punched!) IS. I'm 54, not that old, but have lead quite the life. Including "automotive stunt driver" (no, that's not what put me in the wheelchair, on oxygen, medications, etc, etc, etc) that's right, I used to be a figure 8 driver (for fun) and a rollover driver (drove my car over a ramp and rolled it several times, three times a show, for about ten years.)
Now, do to my illness (pneumonia ruined my lungs, plus COPD and Pulmonary fibrosis) I can have a few/several days in a row where it's difficult to get out of bed, BUT I might have a "couple", "few" almost a week where I'm not 100% but at least 60%-80%, able to walk with a cane, no chair. But I CATCH myself, on good days, making excuses. I was going to build using pallets, "skids" but that's no longer an option, so I bought banquet tables, only (pfffft! ONLY... here comes the excuse!) 4 weeks ago, They aren't up yet. Why? procrastination, I need to rest up, ....etc. About a month ago I bought a small house model kit, started building about a week ago and am in the final stages of finishing it.
I almost have everything I need for my "dream" layout, was smart enough ( well, in truth, the Anyrail free version forced me into) to build, on the computer, "stages" to build my layout. But the tables aren't up and should be, the surface I chosen to use should be glued down, track should be partially laid... "oh, but I'm dying!" blah blah blah. I've had enough good days over the past month to have at least gotten SOMETHING done, besides the house. I'll let you in on a little secret. As I said, I've had quite the life and building a model layout is the last thing on my bucket list. Something I promised myself when I had my first railroad at the age of 10-14, when I retired, I'd build the "dream" layout which in reality is fairly simple, fits in the room, track plans are done, it's a matter of DOING. Now, you don't know me, but I know me and I know that I've fallen into every trap in your video! ("Oh, but the poor guy is sick!" Save it. I know I'm procrastinating, lol. ) As it turnouts (see what I did there?!?) I think I WILL start with a smaller layout, one for my son, who has shown interest, one that fits his apartment and is portable, then build mine after. I gain experience, he gains a layout that fits his apartment.
This video came at the perfect time for me. I'll be watching it several more times, motivate myself to get started on "a" layout, learn, and THEN build mine! Thanks for the butt kicking, as well as the inspiration!
Wow. A lot to consider there for both me *and* the other viewers. I’m impressed by your outlook! Anything I can do to keep you moving, let me know!
@@ThePixelDepotLLC Thank you! Moved 2 1/2 hours away from friends and family, makes it difficult to get "physical labour" so coming up with creative ways to get it going. About to have my first two cups of coffee of the day, then moving tables. Watched your video again and no more procrastination! LOL. Even if I live to 100, I still won't have it done. It will be operable, but I already know I'll be making changes. I'm taking your advice and I'm going to at least START and hopefully will have phase one of the layout running, even if I don't have all of the track laid. Just something basic and go from there. Phase 2 and 3 might not even get started, I might find I'm happy with my "first layout. Thanks again for the video, I needed that!- Ken
@@kensomething379 sounds like a good plan. Nothing wrong with getting started, finding you’re happy with what you have, and just enjoying it!
Some of the best advice I have heard, "the worst enemy of a good plan is the dream of a perfect plan" . It's a good reminder that the best way to start a project is to actually start the project.
Ken, 2 items, 1) I am a designer by trade thus, my RxR suffered for a long time from being a Designasourous. Forever designing and not doing. I broke the cycle by building the tables and just started laying track, with only a little thought. I'm still making mistakes and having a good time. About once a year somebody says "Wow, cool.", then I'm motivated again.
2) Invite people to have a seat at your elevation - It's amazing how much detail is seen when you look at a model at street level.
This is a GREAT video! I haven't seen anyone broach the layout subject so logically. I'm 72 and have been working on my retirement "dream" layout for 9 years now with very little progress. I have built other layouts through the years so have respectable skill levels in all the required areas. My problem is motivation. My wife passed away 5 years ago and my life just seems empty with little purpose. I have no friends in the new location I'm in and there are no clubs or groups to give me some push. As such very little has been done. Maybe 3/4 of the track is functional, 0% scenery and few structures. I have many more pieces of rolling stock than I will ever be able to use, naturally. Your video has given me inspiration to get off my lazy ass and do something. Hopefully I will pay attention to your words!
First, my condolences on your wife. That can be so hard to move on from.
I mentioned my video on modeling groups coming up. There may be a concept in there that will help you. Stay tuned!
Why not get involved in your city? Attend City Council/Planning Commission meetings. You'll be surprised how many people you can become acquainted if you're open. Friendships established and developed with little effort. Regarding the "Dream Layout"... often nothing ever needs to be constructed. It's the process that is the exciting element. Dreaming as one designs is the antidote to ownership. Enjoy the path you're on.
I can second the statement about getting involved in the town. While the politics can be frustrating, I've gained some very good friends over the last couple of years by being involved. They aren't MR guys, but we have other things in common.
Roger, do you have hobby shops in your area? They are a great source for local modelers as are train shows and keep an eye out for open houses at other modelers layouts which you can visit along with everyone else there who are looking for help too. I’ve always found the model railroad community to very welcoming and helpful. Good luck in your journey and my condolences.
@@derekalexander4030 The closest hobby shop is about 67 miles away to the northeast. Because of the mileage and gas costs I only hit it once or twice a year. Those folks I've met are local to that area and have no urge or need to come my way. We have one train show in this area and I haven't met anyone wanting to get together. Most modelers in NW Arkansas seem to be about 55 miles in the opposite direction (NW from me) and, again, don't want to drive to my area.
Very well said. I have one word to add: MODULAR. Build that big puppy in individual modules that each can be finished as you go. My little 2x4 oval "small town" layout with an expansion siding will now become an "end point" for a branch line on the "dream layout" and thus I will never have to tear down what I have spent so much time on. Inbound trains (diesel) can "run around" the train after deliveries and pickups and head back out the expansion siding back down the branch line to the main line.. So thus far in my "dream", I have my 6 track yard and my small town oval - on two separate modules yeah my "main line" from town industries to my "storage" yard is about 3 feet (N Scale) but I am running trains and working on model skills.
Way to go! Modular (or dominos as an alternative) can be very useful for the very reason you stated. The challenge with Modular can be trying to hide the gaps, but as you say it does make for little waste.
Thanks for a great video. I am an N scaler and belong to a club with a 4,000 sq ft layout which I run on once or twice a month. I have locked in my third version of a layout I want to build in a 17 x 17 room. I just turned 79 and know I don't have that many years left to build the layout but thanks to this video and encouragement from club members I'm determined to start and enjoy as much of the journey as I can in my remaining years. Thanks for giving me the kick in the butt I needed to start the build. I've got 25% of the benchwork done and will now continue on as much of a set schedule as I can. HAPPY NEW YEAR and keep the great videos coming.
Sounds like you're well on your way! Let me know if you need any more butt kicking! 😉
My 2 cents, stop thinking about your "layout" and start thinking about the story you want to tell.
Fair suggestion! Where were you when I was toting my script? 😁
@@ThePixelDepotLLC If you wrote the script today, I was executing my methodology for labeling my rolling stock for operations.
Last year, I was obsolutely someone that fell into the category of wanting something I could never build due to the space. Then I focused on the story I wanted to tell and was able to create a point to point switching layout that I am very happy with.
I’d love to talk to you more about this, Heath.
@@ThePixelDepotLLC We are hanging out on Discord right now, link is in the description on my videos. Or email me and we can chat in the new year.
@@HumancityJunction love this approach. It reminds me of a book I bought a few weeks ago, Small Layout Handbook by James Hilton. It got me from option paralysis to actually starting to build a layout. Lightbulb moment: why should I have just one layout? Why not several small vignettes/cameos/stories?
This video was shared in our railroaders (Maerklin India) WhatsApp group. I hope many of the group members get inspired by this video and start building a layout. I totally echo the points articulated here. E.g.: dream layout, space constraints, too busy to spend time on the hobby, let me buy first etc. I'm building a small H0 layout that is 3.5 ft by 6 ft :) Videos like these make us keep going and railroading! Cheers
Glad to hear it's making the rounds! I, too, hope it's an inspiration for your fellow group members. And keep up the good work with your own layout!
My dream layout is a strange one. It is dual scale, HO + N. It has a foreground, and a background. The goal would be to have two identical trains in HO and N and a "continuous" run where the HO is in the foreground and enters a tunnel, then after a set delay, the same train exits in the distance, but is the N scale train. In the meantime the HO runs a loop under the layout to exit at the appropriate time as the N scale disappears to it's own loop. A play on depth perception. In the meantime though, I am going to get started this year on a small N scale that has a switching yard and a continuous loop in a small U layout, main focus the railyard, maybe with a hump, with a dual line between the entrance and exit of the yard, squeezed down to a single line thats the loop, add in a few towns and some water, the rear of the loop raised to run above the main level of the layout with a bridge or two. I think I can fit it in a 10' x 8' U.
Ho - N scale forced perspective layout sounds great. I looked at doing that too 🙂. Now building an N-scale, I often "dream' about adding a Z-scale distant perspective. Maybe the Z will go into the bottom of a canyon...
Ever heard of TT-scale?
Keep planning, making goals.
Glad you’re at least moving forward with part of your plan. I hope you’re able to get there in the future.
Changed from dream layout to modular layout design. Each module I complete is a tiny layout when merged will become my dream layout.
That’s a good way to go. 🙂
Spot on. It's easy to be a box stacker but it takes motivation to do something with all that stuff. To me, it's pointless to buy something, be it rolling stock, tools, whatever, and then not use it. To me, the whole concept of a dream layout is a chimera. Every time I get my layout to the "ideal point", I see something I don't like or could improve and get busy changing it. That's what makes this hobby so much fun and downright addictive. That said, I do spend a lot of time sniffing around on ebay!
I live in an apartment and for the longest time had by O gauge train stored away and only pulled out during Christmas or just setting up a random loop on the floor and was stuck in the "no space" crap. Finally a couple years ago, I just went "Hell with it." and built a small 4x6 layout with the only major goal of being able to run these trains whenever I want to and not be restricted to just going to my friend's house to run HO once or twice a month. Maybe one day when I move into a house, I'll build something a little bigger, but I'm very happy with this little layout now.
Way to take the bull by the horns!
Hey Joe, I just wanted to say thank you for this video. I was in that dream layout "armchair" modeler place from 2016 until you made this video. It still took the better part of a year after watching it to get started but about a month ago I still wasn't ready to start constructing my HO layout so I decided to put together a much smaller one in N scale so I could actually do something and get started on some of those skills. I now have an assembled 2x4 layout wired, track layed, running trains, and am about a third of the way into my scenery. If I hadn't watched this video I may never have gotten over that fear to take that first step.
I'm glad that it spoke to you, and even more glad to hear that you've started your journey! Keep me posted! 🙂
Mahalo Unkle (with respect), You are spot on in your thoughts! I'm on Maui, With paradise comes costs Space is upwards of $2/ sq ft per month. Hence the use of outdoor space with Roofs (lanais) But salt air is bad for electronics. My solution is to do a variant of a T Track system. Modules are stored on a Costco wire shelving unit when not being worked on. I have built more modules than can fit on a standard Plastic table. My shop needs a new assembly table so I'm putting a wood cover on a hollow metal door for the new surface table will be on HD casters so it can be moved about. (build in progress now). By using modules I can change the layout every time I set it up. My track is laid but my interconnect wiring is not installed(1 year into build). I have decided to use 4pin old computer power supply plugs for Connections (on order from Amazon now). Every module will be complete with any controls for items on module installed on the module. Just power between modules (two tracks and power for lights and track accessories. My design idea is based on the 60's TV show Petticoat Junction In a modern era with both commuter and freight traffic. I'm using Kato N gauge for track. To switch between eras my plan includes a RR Museum either on layout or off to provide historic engines like steam. I'm 3D printing and now going to use laser cutting for accessories/buildings. No true hobby shops inside driving range and the Paradise Tax (shipping) is unreal. USPS flat rate is the only reasonable shipping from the mainland.
My goal is to have a running layout by Memorial Day, 4th of July the latest.
Really good video! I know it got me inspired again. We all need that "kick in the butt" every so often to remind us that we don't live forever. And nothing gets done by itself.
I'm 62 now and had my very first joint replacement around two and a half years ago. It was on my right hip. About five months later, I had my troublesome left knee replaced. After that, it was my right knee and then my left hip this past November. I was recovering very nicely and starting to walk without any kind of assistance from a walker or cane. Two days after Christmas, I dislocated my hip joint just getting ready to take a shower. I was in the worst pain of my life and spent two nights in the hospital. My surgeon popped it back into place without having to open me up. Now I'm recovering at home again.
Outside of this, I suffer from Rheumatoid Arthritis, Sjogrens, Raynauds, and Fibromyalgia. I do have the time for the hobby, but I'm guilty of procrastination when it comes to drawing out my track plan. I've known for a few years now how I want my layout to look and everything I want to put into it including factories, homes, and businesses. I know the track plan and the lay of the land and I still don't have anything built. I also have the room available. It only needs a little straightening up. I made sure I collected the right rolling stock and locomotives and I'm still buying track and putting it aside for the day I can actually use it.
Now don't get me wrong. I plan on starting to build by late winter or spring. I'm afraid of being an "armchair modeler" any longer because I've seen model railroad estate collections being sold piecemeal on Ebay. These collections come from people who might have waited too long to build their layouts. Collecting was as far as they got. They never got to enjoy building and running their train empires. I really don't want to wind up like that. If I don't put the effort forward soon while I'm able to, stands to reason I may not finish it, or ever get started at all. So for all you gents who want to wait until retirement to build your model railroad, you may want to reconsider your timeline based on your circumstances and your health. Starting before retirement would be a better bet.
Sorry to hear about your medical woes. They certainly can put a damper on wanting to do much of anything. But I'm glad to hear you've gotten inspired and hope your layout starts to come together. You might want to check out today's video as well for a couple of other options for getting things done. ruclips.net/video/XMVr16T0-R8/видео.html
Hello Joe,
Thank you for such a "REAL" approach to building a model railway.
I have to agree with you 100% on the getting to your goal "dream layout" will and does take time. The sooner you start the better and easier it is to build. Simple builds are always the best way to start, simple to build, simple to learn from, working out what it is you really like.
I'm 56 in August, thanks to my dad, I have from the age of 12 been into model train. It all started with a tyco Chattanooga small train set on a board in front of the Xmas tree.
Since that day, I have expanded on the original layout, still being able to fit in my bedroom. Growing up, selling my layout and moving out. time past, my parents moved, I married, had a son, and as he grew I built another layout for him, ( and me ). This did prove to be a problem, my place of residents did not allow this to happen. Just so happen that my parents place of new residence had a small room to build a 2m by 4m. Perfect for my next build.
Unfortunately, my son did not share the same interest as he grew older. No problem, this just meant that I would expand on this layout, as soon as I had the room. As life moves by and time goes by my marriage separated, moved into a place that had room to build, and so it began. This would be a turning point in the hobby, my interest was now European trains, modelling a loose expression of Germany.
This gave a lot of experience in moving into DCC and sound. This lasted for a number of years when my career and life took another direction. I pulled apart my layout that had then become a single garage layout, I met a beautiful woman that gave me the support to follow my Goal. I bought a small house and over time was able to save money build a shed and thus became the new residence of my next layout. Building the starts of the next build took place in yet another home moment of my parents, in a single shed in the back yard. This was now to be built an a movable module layout.
So currently, the shed is still needing work internally before becoming home for my Dream Layout. This has taken me time and a lot of life changes, but the knowledge on the way has been priceless.
In short, I agree with everything you have said in this video. If you have the motivation, you can successfully keep moving to your goal and finally your compromising Dream layout.
I now build small layouts for beginner to get interested into this hobby.
Thank you for your video for others to digest and drive forward rather than becoming an armchair modeller.
Anthony S.
@@anthonysmithson4496 thanks for sharing this! Life happens. But if you’d simply waited for “the perfect time” you may have never had a layout.
I bought a simple layout for 'my son' to help me move out of the armchair. Then I progressed to a simple winter city around the christmas tree. Both these help me get over my perfectionist tendencies and the idea of perfection in my head (so true what you said) Now I'm about to take the plunge and build a modular layout with my large collection of dust gathering track and stock. Making it modular helps with space when working on it and storing it all. It also means I can screw up a module and switch it out later. I've discovered building is more fun than thinking about build ideas as i have for years. Good vid, thx.
Since I watched this video, I started on a hollow core door in N scale around April of this year, started by setting up the track for fun, then finalized on a track plan what I was going to build, industries, rolling stock, locomotives I was going to use to switch, it all came together what my layout was going to become and eventually added some more to the layout, so when I had the time, I took action, today I will probably be finished with the scenery when I come back from work this weekend, will add more of my vehicles and figurines as well and will be done probably before the end of August (probably before my birthday). Everything he said in this video I use to be, this is my 4th time in N scale, and probably my best, I had big collections in both HO and O, I regret investing so big in those scales, when I built a couple of HO layouts I learned fast how overwhelming and frustrating this hobby can be sometimes, like derailments, electrical problems, maintaining the layout, proper bench work, AND….. products you buy that don’t even work. I wished I learned this sooner when I was in High school, start small, accomplish what’s in front of you, see what you can work with your: time, space, money, and skill, and take time to learn how the railroads work, and maybe (if nearby) join a club, so you can learn and see what you like and can live without.
What’s worked for me is thinking of your dream layout as a collection of scenes. Each scene is a small project layout in itself. I build each scene individually and eventually, when I have the proper space, the scenes will be connected into the dream layout. But for now, I learn new skills and make progress toward the dream layout……with NO wasted effort. Everything I’ve done to date with the four scenes I’ve built will all be incorporated into a larger layout later.
Great way to go about it, Jeff! Is there anything during this process that didn’t work out and you scrapped it?
In 1963 Army Dads home with Ho Super chief set round & round cool 50 years of table toys on back burner the I built John Allens switching car game with ground throws and uncoupling ramps cool Not ready for dcc hands off concept in DC still fun static grass and wire trees take it to a nu level ( blue collar budget ) slow collect over Time be practical think manageable fun ! ? Me bommer to !
I had a small 00 collection for 7 years and finally built a proper layout. Its on your classic 8x4 board with a fiddleyard extension but this layout has everything I wanted in a "small" layout.
-terminus station
-shed and goods yard
-asymetric track plan
-small harbor
-town and nature scenes
Cant wait to start making the scenes, last pieces of track arrived today :)
I've been lurking in the hobby for a while now. I don't have a ton of resources but you're right there is no reason why I can't sock away $50 here or there and an hour or two every week to build a little switching layout ontop the bookcase in my room. Thanks for inspiring me to take the plunge
Glad to help!
thank you for this video, I am working on a small 2x6 module to practice my skills in both scenery and modeling buildings. the quote "don't let perfect get in the way of good" has really opened my eyes as I have been trying to achieve perfect and make it look like the layouts shown in model railroader. This video has helped to show that it doesn't need to be perfect, its practice and I wont be perfect immediately. Keep up the great work!
Glad it was helpful! Those guys in MR most likely didn't get it to look that way their first time out. So yeah, the practice you get from building pays dividends in the long run.
I started in N scale last year and I looked at all the small layout track plans. I settled on a folded dogbone on a door. Before I committed to gluing the track down I walked away from it. I was nervous about building something that wasn’t expandable. I recently scrapped it in favor of 8 t Trak modules that form a loop. Gone is the “future proof” anxiety. I’m enjoying the process
Glad you’re enjoying it. But even more glad you did JUST walk away from it, but walked away long enough to figure out what was bothering you, then moved forward.
With so many people buying models they just store and never use sure explains why manufacturers make such shoddy products lately: cuz nobody runs them! Great video.
Nice thoughts! I went through this just last year. When covid hit I moved in with my GF... I had already started working on an HO scale layout in a spare room in my appartment. Now in the house with 2 kids, we don't have so much spare room to work with. I decided to pack things up and wait until those stars align and I can get back to that dream layout. In the meantime, I decided to just change my goals instead!! I have a small 8x7 room in the basement that I use as a little home office. I decided to switch up scales and eras to build an 8"x8' N scale layout depicting the Canadian Pacific in the 60's in a freelanced urban area. The previous plan was set in the 80's and I wanted it to be a larger area of my hometown and surroundings with lots of detail... buildings with interiors, detailed locomotives and cars, the whole 9 yards!! Now on the new layout the focus is more on kitbashing structures, getting something operational and not focus so much on the little details. It's different but I still enjoy it!! The cool thing is it's just a drop-in shelf that I can easily take anywhere. When we do move to a bigger house in which I can get the ultimate goal done, I already have something going on here!!!
Nice! Hearing stories like this makes me happy! 😊
Excellent video. No one likes to hear the truth, especially if it hits home. My storage boxes are full of the
engines and rolling stock you referred to! While I am still "planning" my "dream layout While I am still
"planning" my "dream" layout, I have taken the first step by building a small diorama. It is just a small 12"
x 12" piece of wood, but I laid track, ballasted it, and did some scenery. It went much better than I had
anticipated. I have come to the realization that a small switching layout is a great first step to hone the
skills necessary to build later projects. Thanks for the encouragement to press on!
Starting with a diorama can be an excellent way to you. You're getting some experience under your belt (especially with ballast, which I know from experience can be difficult and frustrating). Totally agree with you about the switching layout. Glad I could help. Let me know if you need any more "encouragement!"
Very thought provoking but I totally agree with you. Something simple as a small shelf layout is all you need to get started and learn about the hobby. For me it’s always a point to point shelf layout and I encourage all to set a goal in building something simple . Happy New Years
I agree. Starting simple really does pay dividends, IMO. Happy New Year! 🥳
Spot on, Joe! I always encourage anyone getting into the hobby to spend time working and operating on others' layouts, which allows lots of helpful discussion and the right questions being asked. I would add to always build a layout in moveable sections as someday, every layout has to move for life changes and not burdening surviving spouses with dismantling and selling something they often know nothing about. Thank you for great advice for novices and those of us experienced layout builders who still need the occasional nudge...I hope lots of experienced guys forward this video often. Cheers!
Glad you liked it. Let's spread the word!
Very good presentation. Yes, I sat for a LONG time, wishing, hoping, planning, and building freight cars and accumulating locomotives. I was part of a local club, but that disintegrated into a debating society and they lost interest in running trains. I got addicted to various video outlets and got hungry for the smell of fresh-cut plywood and pine. I started with a test track, then the test track had a siding and some turnouts added, then a "switching area", now it's a shelf layout running around two rooms (almost). You are right, the secret is "just get started". The other BIG fallacy that I lived with for a long time was the idea of "done". I finally realized that there is no reason not to go back and change or rebuild areas of a layout that seem finished but the plan or the building isn't up to my current abilities. It frustrates my wife t see me go back and rip up an area that seems done. If the trains don't run well, then one avoids any further work on the layout, so upgrades are vital to your project.
Things are never done. My mother-in-law frequently asks me when I’ll be “done”. I think I’ve finally made her start to realize that the hobby is not about the destination, but the journey.
Great video
I’ve recently retired and begun a major project
I once had a 650 sq ft layout in my gallery basement dc control . It was 14 years into its building and only half completed. Then due to being diagnosed with cancer and also reaching retirement I had to dismantle and move home . Moving forward I now have a garage converted into a fabulous railway studio but a much smaller space only 200 sq ft . So I decided on a three deck layout but only 60 cm wide and also a complete change from dc to dcc which I’ve never done before.
Although I ve made major progress building alot of the bench shelf work I’ve become ‘ lost ‘ and disillusioned with where I am . Mines a British fictional layout. Maybe it’s a SAD syndrome I’m going through, Seasonal adjusted disorder or maybe it’s something else. I do obviously have modelling experience of about 15 years and been on a couple of tv competitions building model railways , Biggest Littlest Railway in the World, Great Model Railway Challenge, Hornby A Model World . But I’m struggling with my current situation and unsure what to do.
A major concern is wiring up an alien concept ie dcc to a three tier layout .
Worse though is that although I have so much more time now than when I was working full time and still put hundreds of hours into the 650 square ft layout, now I’m struggling after only a year into this new project to keep motivated and currently seem to have a mojo that’s flatlined. I’m really unsure how to proceed in the time I may have left .
I find that when motivation goes it's usually because people are either unsure about the concept or just not really in love with it. Sounds like you may be running into that. My advice would be to take a step back and question the choices you made, if for no other reason than to validate that they're the right ones. I suspect you'll get to at least a couple that you don't feel good about. Those are the ones to change. Good luck!
Since getting into the hobby back in 2015, I have basically been running my trains on a floor "layout" usually seasonally (O scale Lionel fast-track). I started the process of finishing my basement about a week ago which I hope to have done by the end of this month/middle of next month. Even the basement Reno kind of goes along the lines of " don't let great get in the way of good" as the basement will mostly be for the layout and a small hangout area and saving money where I can so it can go into the layout build is always a factor. I don't need the best flooring, wall, lighting, etc. Heck, Im just painting the ceiling and rafters so it looks a little more finished. This year we couldn't do a floor layout bc I have a 1 yr old and that would not have gone well. Missing the ability to run trains was a good motivator to start something that was already in the plans to do, but just needed that little extra push. I think if you are someone who has a collection but not a layout and always wanted one, you should take time to just look at some items in your collection as often as possible as a reminder to get going so you can enjoy the items you have spent money and time on. Before you know it, the time you could have been enjoying the hobby will be gone and you'll be even further behind or worse, it'll never happen. I agree with the video that something is better than nothing. Even if it is getting a layout on a folding table so you can run trains and practice some modeling on, its worth it. Happy modeling to all and hope those out there trying to get their own layout going success.
Solid advice. I will say that you don't want to cut costs on the room so much that it's not a comfortable place to spend time. You want to make sure that the layout room is inviting _enough_ that you want to be there.
When I lived in my rental apartment I just constructed my layout on the floor using Bachman ez track and loosely placed buildings and tunnels. I made hills out of styrofoam all the switches and train running was done from my phone and why’ll I watched tv I had trains running on my floor. I wasn’t going to let an apartment stop me from enjoying the hobby
Great video, stop thinking and start doing. I’m modelling in English OO
I started off with a 4x1’ inglenook puzzle (switching) layout and then a 6x4’ tail chaser. I’m now comfortable starting a much bigger layout. A semi modular 3x4’ sections layout. So I can add sections to make it larger.
Glad to hear that early work have you the experience and confidence you needed!
Great video and mostly correct! I just have not started the layout because I am afraid of messing up like I did on all of the previous layouts. I have finally started though. Simplicity will be my motto so I hope!!! For a lot of us "bigger is to much money". I'm now building a point to point road with the ability to enlarge it to a point to point with a 4 by 16 foot island in the middle of my room. I'm 76 years old and I really don't know if I hive the time left to do what I want but I will try. Get the point to point to my liking and then tackle the large island. My road is the RSCD&C first initials of all of our names. Videos eventually to come!!! No duck under just a walk around road. In everything I have ever done in modeling my goal was to have a museum quality modeling but if you fall short, you will still have a pretty great model. I have mostly fallen short of perfection but have had several great looking models. Go for great and if you fall short you will have a better model that the person that strives for "good enough".Simplicity is where I am starting this time. I don't comment on many things I see because I have been told that my comments are mostly insendary even though all I tend to want to do is improve their modeling or videoing.Going to send you an email...
Yep that’s me! Afraid to fail and so tunnel focused on figuring out my specific locations, stories behind the layout, and wanting everything perfect/right: the ‘dream layout’ spoken of here. Excuse of constant research on top of getting the room in my outbuilding into a finished room (which is now complete). I’ve told myself I’m going to start to ‘just build’ and here I still sit.
You got this! While I think research is important, at some point you have to say “good enough” and just get started. You can always make changes later.
A-Men, Brother Parker!! I started with my first train set (TYCO Long hauler) 50 years ago... I now have many locomotives, a slew of rolling stock, buildings and such. Now that I am 60, I do have my layout room, 12 x 16 feet. Now I can get to work.
Some skills take longer to master than others. And some are better left to your friends....
Happy Build Year!!
I couldn’t agree with that last paragraph more! Happy New Year, Paul! 🥳
The only steps I’ve taken in my dream layout so far is weathering rolling stock, and building small 2x4 modules to keep on on wiring/soldering, and seeing what works so I’m ready to go… the main hold up is the construction of the building to house the layout, construction is on hold during the winter. My timeline for the final layout is by the end of this year, building construction is done, within 5 years, all benchwork is done and trains can run the entire length of track, within 15 years, most of the major details are done, within 20 years the small details come together.
I built my original dream layout alongside my grandfather from 2004 up to 2014, taking up 1000sqft, originally starting as a 4x8 sheet of plywood, then 2, then 4, and kept expanding. Many clubs I’ve been a part of, and many others I have visited, the fear always around the corner is what happens if the building owner chooses to not renew the lease. Having to find a new space, and tear everything down and start again is the worst, decades thrown into building it up, I’m building something that ends up in the hands of a club, where that fear never exists. It’s final iteration will change over the years, the benchwork and track plan will change, but 30,000sqft is definitely a long term build, nearing completion by my wife and I some time when I’m nearing retirement.
I wouldn’t say “the only steps.” You are making progress towards a layout, so don’t minimize your efforts. Glad to see you have timelines for your goals. That will help you get there!
Thanks Joe. This is very true, and not very incendiary IMHO. I think back to my teens and had I approached building something much smaller than what I attempted at one point, I would have gotten it done. (Also, had Kadee couplers become the de facto standard a decade sooner I would have discovered how much I enjoyed switching.) After I put the trains away for a few years I took them out again and have built a couple of small layouts, one of which was never intended to have scenery and was fine without it.
Building relationships with the modelers and operators who will answer questions and give encouragement is important. Yes, you need the right friends.
I have the next step layout-the next set of goals-underway, and I might attack it slowly, but I’m having a good time with it. My first goal this year is to make a portion of the railroad fully operational (a plan for industries, fine-tuning track, adjusting weights and coupler heights of cars, and creating the car cards and waybills) so I can begin enjoying operating a part of it while I continue to enjoy building the rest.
Sounds like you’re on the right path. And yes, those old X2f couplers that used to be on everything really did suck.
No one can have their dream layout. You can sure have a layout, however. I am building my 3rd n scale 1:160 and I have my 2nd major OO 1:76 layout. This time my OO got it’s own room. It has been proven time and again, a small shelf layout can be very engrossing, satisfying and impressive.
The small layout can be way more satisfying than people think!
Great video! This is true of almost anything. If you really want to make/do something, you'll find the time and space and money. Give up youtube one day a week, don't go out to lunch, clean out the basement...you'll find a way. It annoys me when people say "I wish I had the time to do what you're doing." I have a job, three kids, a house...I'm busy, but I make the time because I love it. Your point about people "Liking the idea of being a modeler" is so true. Buy all the tools, pieces, etc...but then no execution. I hope your video motivates some people (those who might be scared) to just go for it! Take it one step at a time and have fun.
Outstanding video, thank you!
I'm just getting into the hobby, and I had convinced myself that the only way to start was to go all the way. Your video has made me realize that I have so much to learn, and starting with something realistic would be far more beneficial than staring on a "dream".
Oh, I've got to say that I'm a bit envious of all the Chessie System locomotives. I would really like to model part of the Chessie System railroad from the late 70's, as it was in west Michigan.
Thanks again for a truly inspirational video!
Glad you're starting small. Now is kind of a Golden Age for Chessie stuff. Athearn especially has been releasing a lot of locos in Chessie paint. You should be able to find some on eBay. (Just don't overpay!)
I started my 7th layout, my dream layout, 17 years ago, but even then, I built in stages to make it more fun and get things running relatively quickly. Great advice. Even today, I have highly scenicked areas and areas with track only. I drew a plan for the entire layout with CadRail to ensure minimum radii on my mainline, but developed industrial switching areas gradually and even now I made a change in one area and have not finished in one of the last areas. I suggest starting with an island style 4 by 8, with access on all four sides or your great “Grunge” style model RR design. Keep telling the truth!
I’ll be honest, I’m not a fan of the island-style layout l, especially the “classic” 4x8, because it’s such a poor use of space. (Yes it does give you the option of a loop but it’s a floor space eater. ) but I’d suggest a linear shelf layout to anyone.
I certainly have a dream layout but I know especially in O scale, you do not have the luxury of space. So while I mess around in scarm time to time to realize this “dream” I have been slowly building out a tangible layout. Have recently started planning an expansion from 8’x12’ to double it. This goal mindset is a very useful one as while my layout may never be that dream, it works towards being a useful and engaging one. Each goal has slowly built my layout over the past 15 years and now Im getting to a place where goals seem much more in reach then even a few years ago.
My name is Troy. I have watched this video and my layout is far from being complete. It is pre-2020. It is a larger type layout, but right now I just run trains in a loop. However, I will be adding a section almost strictly for switching. But that will come in time. Also, eventually I will be starting stuff on my list I have devised. Number one on the list, weathering. I tried two so far. One I did, was heavy on the rust, and the other is not grimy enough. But I will be practicing more. I just need to stop getting more engines and rolling stock. But I have a lot of fun doing what I do. But, I wanted to thank you for the idea of a list of things to try. Thanks, Joe.
Always glad to help. That said, while I think weathering is important, it’s not going to make a noticeable difference in progress on the layout. You might feel better if you finished a project or two that showed the layout moving forward?
Great video. Applies to all areas, not just model railroading. I started with joining a modular club. I am now convinced that modular is the only way to build a model railroad whether you are building a first time layout or a "dream" layout. The layout can expand and grow as you progress. Start small and then grow. There are so many other advantages to modular modeling and few disadvantages. It be great to have you do a series of videos on modular railroading.
I’m a fan of sectional and dominoes for a home layout, but feel like adhering to Modular standards might be too limiting. That said, Fre-mo intrigues me.
You have said so many bits of useful advice in just 20 minutes and hopefully people are now goal setting. I have built a few layouts, always in n scale, but have never finished any. I have time, I am retired, but no much in the way of disposable income. But I decided to set myself a goal, I wanted to complete a layout and hone my skills. So I decided to put the current project on hiatus until I have completed a easier to complete layout. So the project, which is now, just waiting for rolling stock, static grass and trees, But the rest of it which is the terrain and ground covering is completed. It is on a piece of 1 1/2" foam and the foam is 21" long and 5" wide. Nothing more than a photo plank really. There are no points, but the track is 2 lengths and soldered together and it is wired by soldering the underside of the track. It is Hon30 and even though I am an Australian, it is specifically Hon30, Both the State Government Railway had a narrow gauge network of 2'6" and the loggers used a gauge between 2' and 3' on the whole. At the moment I am waiting for the holiday season to finish, before ordering some rolling stock. But in the meantime I have scratch built a guards van (caboose) and a passenger carriage and am half way through a static locomotive, all built out of card. As you can imagine this project which is currently less than a month old, has given me more satisfaction, then all the others, which I have never finished.
So what I would add to your remarks is that your first completed layout does not have to be even as big as The Grunge.
I hope people are goal setting, as well! Your project layout sounds like it might have been just what you needed to break the "not making progress on my big layout" cycle. Good luck!
Just happened to have YT suggest this video. All of the things you bring up are very true. Now if I can just get up out of my chair and actually start working on something. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you so much I needed this motivation
This is a good video and the content is very good. My first layout started when I was 12 and it was a 4x8. At age 66, I am now on layout #6 and it is a huge U shaped one in my basement. Honestly, when I got done with the framework for the current layout, I had a thought that I was taking on a monumental project. However over the course of four years, I have pretty much covered it with track and structures and have met goals of operation and things I wanted on the layout. The moral of the story is to start building a small layout and over time, expand that layout into something bigger. Model railroading is a lot of fun and doing all the necessary things such as designing a layout, carpentry , electrical, laying track, doing scenery and running the layout is a wonderful journey.
Another moral to the story: the fact that you’re on #6 is a testament that the current layout isn’t necessarily the *last* layout. There’s usually another opportunity.
Excellent video! Brutal honesty is not initially accepted, but is absolutely required, especially when you plan to (or have) spend a lot of money, time and effort. Your Grunge series is a great way to do a project layout. I've been planning for 20yrs. Now I have the motivation to get going. Thanks for all you tips and the Grunge series.
Glad you took it the way it was intended! Thanks for the kind words about The Grunge and I’m glad you’ve enjoyed it and it’s helped. Keep me posted on your progress!
Well, I'm a little different! I started building my dream layout 3 years ago!! What I thought was going to be a 10X6 HO layout (this would be my 5th Layout) Well a big well, because I actually built my dream Railroad, still working on it and enjoying it. It is much larger than I anticipated, but we have a lot of fun with it and as my modeling skills got better I decided to upgrade parts of my railroad! Excellent video and advice. I've been modeling for over 30 years, but I'm learning everyday!!! Thanks for the info!!
Some people DO get to build their dream layout and that’s great. But not building an layout because it’s not your dream is silly IMO. But then you knew that from the video. 😉
I'm on it the goal is real this layout will begin this new year ✨️ 💯
Glad to hear it. Keep me posted!
Some great advice. I’m starting my first layout at age 52 and my “space” is limited to a coffee table 32” square. This is going to dictate a lot of what I can do so I’m just starting with 2 loops one raised around the back of the layout and sufficient points to allow for either loop to be accessed from a central shunting yard. I would love a turntable and an engine shed but that’s just crazy talk at this stage.
Thanks so much for making this video, as I've been stuck - in analysis paralysis - tying to figure out how to build my realistic dream HO scale layout in a small bedroom. So, instead of getting it all figured out, I need to start with one small section. Maybe even a tiny 4-6 foot long layout that has nothing to do with what I'll eventually end up with. Thank-you...
@@What_If_We_Tried that’s a great place to start! Check out my series on The Grunge for a small shelf layout.
@@ThePixelDepotLLC Thanks for the response, and I'll start watching that series now. And if you'll enable your RUclips "Thanks" button, then I can toss a little something in your tip jar from time to time.
Found your channel a few months ago and since then i have kept watching and im happy to say i started a layout not long after watching ep1 of The Grunge, my problem was i always wanted something big but never considered have a small shelf layout to have fun
I’ll admit, even I’m a bit surprised by the amount of fun it is to run The Grunge. And the build has been very enjoyable too. (Except the wiring. 😉)
I have an 11x11 L shape layout thats about 3 feet thick. For about a year I didnt have anything permenent and I Loved it. I ended up making a double track main over and under bent figure eight. It's a fantastic layout and I'm very happy with it. Biggest tip is don't make it flat. Adding height adds interest.
Thanks for sharing and glad you found a way to heighten (see what I did there?) the interest level.
Awesome video. I started building my 'dream' layout thirty or so years ago. I had the time and motivation, but luckily not the space or money. Because of that I started small and built a portion of it using the dreams and ill guided desires at the time. I still have a decent portion of that layout having corrected many of the mistakes I learned over the years, changing road names, goals and a significant bit of benchwork. It remains the most problematic portion of the layout as I continue to correct track issues. I'm so glad I didn't go all out and build a huge layout my first time out or I probably would have frustrated myself into quitting. My current layout has very little resemblance to that distant 'dream' I once had, but has given me years of enjoyment, simply because I jumped in and started small.
Thank you for this. It really validates what I was trying to get across!
If you want to see progress on your dream layout you need a phased delivery plan.
The one layout I started was terrible and was destroyed before track was laid. The stars have finally aligned for my dream of a garden railway BUT I'm being REALISTIC with a PHASED delivery plan that takes your railway from nothing to good to perfect.
For me that means a simple loop made roughly using planks and blocks to get trains running then slowly adding details, replacing planks with bridges/trellis, adding tunnels and landscaped embankments. Extending the railway with new loops, stations, sidings.
From a trains perspective it's the same but with more focus on cost cutting. I'll be relying on battery powered kits rather than scratch building dream steam locos to save money and make sure I don't waste time/money on something I'm not sure I'll enjoy when I can spend it on track laying and landscaping.
The perfect/good also comes into play in compromising when deciding how realistic/time correct you want things to look. A flexible period/location/scale accuracy is important in delivering real results, even if you're aiming for perfection.
You could even build you dream layout in sections as individual layouts if it works for you.
Sounds like you’ve got a very well thought-out, workable plan!
So true .. I was going down this road of buying for buying is easy. Then I got so fed up of the boxes I just jumped right in with a tiny oval from my first ever train set as a kid. I've made mistakes, but you are 100% correct in everything you say. I've learnt more through doing it and tbh it was great fun. I have unfortunately no space for it, so ive gotta work out how to get it on a wall hinge or something.. but I didn't let that hold me back.
Is it portable (and short) enough that you can remove the legs and store it under a bed?
@@ThePixelDepotLLC it's on a thin wooden board. I want to build a couple of hinged arms from the cabin wall so that it can sit on the arms and be swung up when not in use... Remembering to glue the scenery down of course 🤣
@Ande P What? You don't want to put down ground foam every time you fold it down? Slacker! 😆
Hi Joe, I've just revisited this video to help with some re-focus. The Grunge was my eureka moment when I realised what I really wanted from my layout and found your guidance invaluable. I know this is an old video but I hope this comment finds you well and that we get to see your "brand" of witty and inspirational films again soon.
This is a great video and I feel called out with some of your points, haha. Biggest thing for me is I start doing a layout, get to a certain point and realize that I'm working on it and it is not hitting what I want. I've done this 3 or 4 times. I think the biggest issue I have is I really enjoy switching, both industrial and yard, but want to also sit back and watch long trains through scenes. I'm in N scale so that would allow for both so that would allow.
I also think your whole "don't want to screw up, especially when money is involved" is the big one for me. With so many other financial priorities, I tepidly went into each one of those previous endeavors unsure I would ever be able to finish it and the financial outlay (both large and HCD layouts).
I think some of the points I called out later in the video could really help you when planning the next one. Also take some time to consider what you were trying to achieve with each layout and also why in each case you felt they didn't hit the mark.
One thing I’ve done to get over my perfectionist approach’s is take a different approach to my railway and I am treating it as my own railway company and will develop a story around it in the process, it also allows me to do things unrealistically as i live in the uk and making a uk layout I find it a shame we don’t do freight the same way as America as our freight is all containers or large industry’s, on my layout I’m going to make a modern approach to the classic way of doing freight
Just wanted to say "Thanks "and for being on the level. I can't begin to say how many videos I have watched, only to extend my dream. Seeing what appears to be masterpieces. Then fall right back asleep. I can't believe that I have never caught your great channel before. Nows the interesting thing? Door size downtown, city traction/ trolley. Early sixties? One benefit? Minimal, Minimalistc terrain? I suppose, more diorama than operating. So with all said, and especially, encouraging words, along with realistic motivation from this great video. I'm off to catch the trolley. Thanks. Best regards. Dave.
Glad I could help, Dave. And glad you enjoyed the video. I hope you come back for more.
Great video for anyone. I needed this. I have gotten brain freeze with all I want to do.
So I’ll be taking your advice and break it down to small steps. Also not worry about being perfect.1st the benchwork building approximately 8.5’x10’.
I will be subscribing to your Facebook page to post my progress. That might keep me committed.
Thanks for your sound advice.
Welcome aboard. Hopefully we can keep you moving.
Nice vid! Thanx for sharing! I think there's a misconception about small layouts and sacrificing. I find that building a small layout or diorama can be a very rich, complete and rewarding exercise. And not sacrificing at all. You can tell a whole story on a bookshelf or less! Really! So when people have trouble starting, I totally agree with you. Pick up something small! Do something! Practice! There is so much fun you can have on a 1x2 foot layout! So much you can add, so much detail you can think of, really people: just start!
Well said!
Great video! Just wanted to share that watching through the Grunge playlist and the “I don’t have the space” videos helped me pull the trigger on my first layout. I’m space limited in my apartment and decided a 2’X6’ board that slides under my couch would work best. I’ll be limited height wise with scenery but I’ll have removable structures. Thanks again!
Glad to hear it! Keep me posted on your progress!
I was in a situation where the covid lumber prices put a damper on my big layout plan that I had drawn up. I had some leftovers from a previous layout where I had made a test track in my new house. I got tired of running a locomotive either for testing or just to see it run. Back in the early summer of this past year, (2022) I decided to actually change all that. I already had 12x1 space not doing anything. I went to the local big box store and picked up some 1x4 and the whatever I didn't already have and made an 18x1 shelf layout. I found several plans that I liked. I finally settled on one, made some modifications, and built it. I took several hours per week for several weeks and eventually had all the track laid, turnout motors installed, feeders wired, etc. I was up and running. While I was doing that, I ordered a set of backdrops. They are definitely not the best nor the cheapest, but they do the job they are intended to do. Since then, I have changed jobs, and my time home is different, so when I am home, I try to do something on the layout every day for an hour or a specific task. By doing all of the work I have done, I'm definitely a fine example of doing something better than doing nothing at all. In addition to working on this layout, i made and set goals of achieving the NMRA Civil and Electrical certificates with this shelf layout and the extrnsion that I am adding in the next few weeks. If you're interested in seeing what I'm doing, my FB layout page is Mid-America & Northwestern Railroad.
Congrats on all your progress. Lumber prices did certainly spike (part of why I haven’t expanded the MCTD yet) from COVID and out a damper on things. But I’m glad you were able to make something you’re really enjoying and able to make progress on!
I agree with lots of your points here I’m currently modeling out of legos and I always carved out time every week to work on it. I want to get into ho scale and I am starting to inch myself twords build a small ho scale layout I’m currently starting to aquire some models and I am going to attend days at my club where we work on the layout. Small goals help you take baby steps in the right direction. You were spot on man good luck.
That's awesome! I love my Lego as well, but don't have Lego trains. I feel like it's a great way to get creative.
This is EXCELLENT advice for all first time modellers! Particularly for procrastinators! Thank you!
Been collecting rolling stock and kits since I was a teenager, but moving and apartment living left me only space enough to build a few kits and not a whole layout, started several small switching layouts, one never got past the bench work stage, But I have finally been able to buy a house, with a dry basement, Not an enormous basement but I no longer have to move and I've already started.
That is awesome! I wish you the best of luck with the construction!
I just realized the same thing last week. Rather than spend all of my time trying to figure out what my dream basement layout would be, I ordered an Atlas track pack for a 4x8 layout so I can actually do something. Looking forward to finally seeing some movement!
Glad you're taking the plunge! Hope it comes out great!
I watched the this video a year and a half ago and it got me off the couch. I built a 2x4 N scale lauout and it was the perfect size to get started and I learned practical skills as well what I need to do as I think about the next one.
This was really helpful to me! You make a lot of really good points and it’s helped me to put things in a different light! I’m fairly young in this hobby, my early twenties, and sometimes I see the older guys in this hobby and their layouts and their tendency to “purist” attitudes has made me feel a bit intimidated. I also couldn’t help but laugh to myself when I watched because this idea of a “dream” layout and how specific it is for everyone but for me…it was for a layout to even exist at all! I don’t exactly specific grandiose plans because I never did! Everything I’ve ever collected or was handed down was a mish mash of stuff. Childhood me just wanted layout at all. So I do have a plan but it’s not specific, I just want it to happen. But these tips are what I feel can help me get the ball rolling, so I thank you so much!
I’m glad it helped. Don’t let the “purists” or the river counters get you down. It’s your layout (or will be!) so YOU get to decide.
I have a lot of Athearn DC HO engines I bought in early 80s, I'm concerned they say to convert to DCC, which is expensive by itself, you should also replace the motors because they draw too much current. I took down a ON3 layout years ago that I used Dept 56 buildings just to trying it out in a 12x12 layout with multiple levels, but not knowing much I really caused all the track issues I had. With fixed income and lack of space, I doubt I could do it now, but your suggestion to start small and build up, modular as someone put it, is a good idea.
It depends on how big your layout is and how many locos you intend to run at the same time. Most DCC systems will handle a handful of the older engines all at once. But if you have more than that, remotoring may be the right move. Also, for a small layout, sticking with DC may not be an issue. It all depends on what your operational goals are.
Your video motivated me to set a goal. I'm not going to watch any more RUclips videos that are in any way criticism of me. 😆 Yes, your video describes my armchair approach to modeling. Thankfully, I don't currently own any locos, rolling stock, structures, scenery or control systems. What I do have is an idea of prototype, era, location, type of traffic, type of operation, and overall layout design that I think can be achieved in many small steps with each building on work done in prior steps. My approach is to start small, learn new skills as I go and apply them accordingly. If along the way I decide my "dream" needs adjustment, I won't be out too much. Thanks for the kick in the butt; I mean encouragement.
Nice. You had me going for a second. Since you haven't gone down the road of acquiring things, I think you might be exempt from this. You are in realistic planning mode, and I think starting small, buying what you need, and building up as you go is a very smart way to go. Let me know how it goes!
Excellent video. I remember hearing the “Don’t let the perfect get in the way of good” quote before. I use it often 😀
It's always stuck with me. Seemed to apply here, too. 😀
Well, hit me then help me up. Push me to move but then overwhelm me with the tasks. I’m gonna try to do this because I finally have the room, space, and some funds but you told me not to start my dream layout because it’s too big and I don’t know how. Wow! I sure am glad you have a nice voice because all of the other ones I have in my head telling me I have to do this first but I need this first and so on and so on, are the same old voices that have stopped me, myself, lol. Thanks for the push……and pull. Maybe I’ll make a list.
Looks like you’re in “catch up TPD videos” mode! 😉
Sorry if I blew your mind. I mean, start your dream layout if you want, but be prepared to make changes and adjustments along the way. A list is helpful, and can help organize things in your head.
That was meant tongue in cheek and the end , I’ll make a list, was meaning that I’ll make a list was me going to procrastinate. Reread the comment with sarcasm in mind. Sorry it wasn’t more clear that I was joking.
@@derekalexander4030 ah! Tone, especially with sarcasm, can be tough in comments. Especially with so many different voices chiming in. I usually drive it home with the wonky emoji just so there’s no question.
Great video, Joe. I'm moving into my own space this year, and I *will actually* have the space for a layout, probably not my dream layout. +1 for the reminders about breaking out goals and tasks. In the past I've both started and finished and given up on projects. Getting started is always the hardest, but once I'm going its hard to stop.
Good luck with the move (my least favorite activity) and with the new layout. You're right, it's much easier once you have some momentum. 🙂
Ok I have to come back and say something here. Between this video (frankly the first one RUclips recommended to me.) and your series on building “The Grunge”. I have to say you have definitely given me a lot to think on and I have to say I’m finally going to tackle my own modular layout just to get my feet wet in the hobby.
Sounds like a great plan! Glad you found the channel!
@@ThePixelDepotLLC Well I did find information outside here to help get the idea rolling. Especially on how some modelers do T-Track modules and frankly that looked appealing because I can work on a section at a time. I’ll be sure to post videos of this layouts progress.
I am *just* - and I mean just - getting into this hobby (my first track or locomotive hasn't even arrived yet) - BUT this all makes so much sense based on other hobbies I've had in the past. I think *everyone* coming into the hobby should be made to watch this video FIRST. Thanks! 👍
I wish you the best when it comes to the hobby. And if you can make the video required viewing for all newcomers, I’m all for it! 😉
Great advice. I am currently working on my fourth layout which I'd call my "Dream layout". It's definitely been overwhelming at times. It hasn't gotten much attention since about this time last year. I had a long summer, followed by an injury that left my left shoulder unusable until it has recovered. I'm just getting back to the point of being able to use both arms, and will started making my goal list for the next six months. Goal one - Clean the layout room. Hopefully I'm be able to get trains running again soon. BTW I have still been able to run my trains, at my club.
Seasonal cycles happen, and injuries certainly have an effect. But you can set those goals any time of year and while injured. Just keep moving forward!
Thank you for sharing these very useful tips. I find most will tell you to go big, but I’ve been resisting, knowing it would be too much a challenge for me. After researching for over a month, figuring out what I want (answering the points you mentioned), I can proudly say I feel reassured small will work just fine for me. Now to the plan 🥳
Thank you for this video ,I have the time and the space and some money i have set aside to get started . I just needed the push you just gave to get going. I have a two room garage That has a bit of clutter in it so my first job is to get it cleaned out , so that's my first goal. Again Thank you I literally came across this video by accident and am glad I did.
I'm glad you found it! Here's to your progress! 🍻
Hi Joe. Just found your channel and really enjoyed this video. It touched a chord with me in so many areas. I’m just about to start my fourth layout not having finished any of the others for many of the reasons you have given.
My wife and I have just downsized our home having moved to North East Scotland from North West England. We are about to have the garage converted to a hobby room and so I will have a space for the layout, not too much as single garages over here are not very big and I war-game with model soldiers too. Time won’t be a problem though as we are now both retired.
I’m certainly going to be following your tips and with some luck I may even have finished the layout by my 70th birthday in 2024😂
I have subscribed and will be following your videos in the future.
All the best for 2023.
Keith
Keep me posted! All the best for 2023 to you, too!
I work in a third party waarehouse. Transportation of goods and services is the name of the game. Moving that concept to model railroading was eye opening. Releasing me from the Christmas tree railroad mentality. I do enjoy watching them go around for a time. But giving them a purpose and a destination is so much more fulfilling
I can watch a train go around once… maybe twice. And then I want to deliver something. 🙂 So, I agree with you. Having a purpose is so much more fulfilling. For me, anyway.
I started my first real attempt at a layout this summer. It's an N Scale loop, about 3.5x7, and I wanted to run the California Zephyr through the rockies and California. This is nowhere close to my original plan and I found that by A. Learning more about the kinds of rolling stock and things I was actually interested my plan changed drastically and B. Greatly simplifying my original trackplan in to just an oval with a siding made all of the flextrack laying and DCC wiring (things I'd never done before) seem much more achievable and generally easier to accomplish. Pretty much everything in your video is something I've found to be true and I firmly believe if I had gone any larger to start with my layout would have stayed on paper
I’m glad to hear you now have something up and running and that it’s been a useful learning and growth experience for you!
Good advice, Joe. I have a 10’x13’ HO layout that is, for all intents and purposes, complete. I still tweak details and run ops sessions but continue to have a modelling itch. I have recently become enamoured with British style shelf layouts. I will probably build another switching shelf layout that I can take to train shows.
Sounds great! While my MCTD is nowhere near done, I’ve enjoyed the distraction that The Grunge layout has provided me.
My wife and I built a 1.8m by .90m layout in N scale and it took us over a year and it cost us over $3000.00 AU, but it was great to build as a project that we could do together and yes we made 5 mistakes.
But considering this was our first layout attempt, we had a great time making it and it is great. We learnt a lot and would like to build another one slightly bigger, but space is now the major stopper. This is not an excuse, but a true reason. Our next layout, we would like it to be 1.2m by 2.00m and move into a mountain scene as opposed to our small township layout.
If you've got a layout and used up your space, I wouldn't look at not having more space as an excuse! Can you put the mountain scene into the same layout footprint and compromise with other aspects a little bit?
Many truths, you just put in the table ! You truly understand, what many of the "modelers" are passing trough . I see my self in. many of your statements. Thank you.
Hopefully I can spur you into action!
This was a very well done video. In my case, the "dream layout" would require a small warehouse! 😁 What I did for my current layout was to look at my given space and design the layout from there based on what I enjoy in modeling. I now have a layout that is two levels and it allows me to have continuous running or point to point operations. I have had to compromise and I cannot run huge engines (sorry no UP Big Boy) nor can I have 150 freight cars on the main. I do have plenty of operations between industries and some minimal passenger service. All this in a 10x16 room with trackage rights through the laundry room to get to the helix. A friend wants me to put a hole in the wall next to the yard to add a removable fiddle yard for op sessions. I am not sure if the wife will allow it. 🥰
Thanks for the kind words! Sometimes you have to back away from those grand dreams. But! It sounds like you're having a good time with your scaled-back plan!
Thank you for making this video! I've been into model trains since I was a young kid. I'm 42, now, and still have yet to build even one layout (not counting all those times I slapped some track together on a book case or on the floor to have a little fun). I think it's about time I stop dreaming and buying and start planning something simple to get the taste of victory! (...and so I can play with my trains like a grown-up) :)
You can do it! Set yourself a solid goal!
I tore down my layout towards the end of 2022, plan was to immediately rework it so i had better bench work and better access to every inch of it. Lost ambition, but got some trains for Christmas and now im motivated to get it done and im really close
Glad to hear it! Make it happen!
So true man there's always times to build a layout I've been out of the hobby for about 15 years and I recently started building another small layout didn't think I had space at all until the day came that I really was just sick of not being able to run trains anymore. I own and operate a small business I have three kids in the house time is definitely very limited for me but i usually run trains and work on it in between 11 PM and 1 AM got to make sacrifices for the things that you enjoy. I look forward to those late night operating sessions sometimes it's the only way that I can clear my mind. I still have a lot of work to do on the layout but I had a basic track plan down and was running trains in less than two weeks
Glad to hear you've found a way to make it work!
You were extremely accurate with several of your points with where I'm at. Thanks for the kick in the pants and a few ideas on how to attack the hurdles I've come across.
Glad I could help with the kickstart and the hurdles!
LOVE IT! I love that you're saying what I'm thinking and never have time to make videos for. Thank you!
Glad to help!
Talk about a wake up call to the Arm chair group, you were as settle as a train wreck! Oh, all great points on holding out building a layout. Dream layout, I started mine 2015 and still working on it. It is my 4th layout which I cut my teeth on bench work, track work which like building a house, a bad foundation on a layout is a death sentence. In our group we have 2 guys that are the subject of your Video, one guy will preorder anything new a manufacture releases, has he ever run his stuff on one of our layouts? No, I asked him one time why he did not and his answer was he liked to look at them. I will give you one of my sayings" Good, Better, Best never rest till Good is Better and Better is Best"
I’m not known for my subtlety. 🙂
To your point about the guy who orders everything: I get it, it’s all pretty but pictures are a lot cheaper! The beauty of model railroading is that it’s one of the few model types that actually MOVE. I don@5 see the point of having it all with no plan to actually see it do what it’s meant for. Now, I’m not faultless in the “got stuff in boxes” thing either, but at least I have a bunch of things that are up and running.
It was tough listening to the first ten minutes, but it got better and better. I'm going to printout those statements about dream vs. goal vs. plan and deciding on a modest number (5 ?) steps to actually make it take a shape. Thanks
Hard because the words rang true or hard because it was boring?
I get to start my layout this spring after we move into our new home!
Woo hoo! Good luck! 🍀
I needed this. Yes, I'm afraid of some processes. We learn by doing and making mistakes. I have time, money, and space.
Glad to help! I’ll be honest, things still scare me to this day and I procrastinate on them. It’s an ongoing battle. 🙂
Thanks for the video! I'm working with a team of creators I'm only 15 working with 50 to 60 to 80 year Olds were making a layout from Minneapolis and st.paul mn to elk river mn it's being based off of a branch line to the 1920s to the 1960s Your video is really helpful and I'm currently making a layout! We're doing dcc but we are ready to lay track! Thanks again!
That is awesome! Where else can someone your age work with people 4 or 5 times their age? It's great!
@@ThePixelDepotLLC yea its nice im more of track laying and foam cutting and weathering bc i have worked on weathering for about 5 years now i started model railroading in 2014 and i have loved trains since i was about 3 months old!
@@staplessubrailfan7440 Stick with it!
@@ThePixelDepotLLC dont plan on
stoping any time soon! :)
Spot on. Would like to suggest the consideration of MODULAR construction. Build small, build compatible with others, and instant dream layout.
Thank you for clocking me in the head with an eight pound sledge. This was sooo me. Wishfully, your advice will get me started (again)!
I hope so! Happy to hit you again if necessary. 😉
Very interesting video. I had my first layout at age 14 and since then, I learned a lot! I'm now 31 and by the time I got my house, I finally planned and started to build my layout with very strong goals as you said. So now, I'm at the step to build the trackage and it's easier fo me with all those skill I got from the past. ;) Just to let you know, I'm modelling CN in the 2000's and my layout is goiung to be an industrial one with a small yard but with a lot of industries to serve and switch. It will be so cool when done. Thanks for your good video :)
Glad you liked it!