To counter false impressions, most of Germany's trains are already electric and trains in Berlin have been driving on electricity for over a hundred years, just via overhead cable, not batteries. There are also already other battery electric trains in Germany that went into service in the last ten years, just not in Berlin because there is overhead everywhere or Brandenburg, because Brandenburg is a little backwards.
So it is more efficient to haul heavy batteries rather than hook up directly to the grid ? Shows how obsession creeps into our mind and leads to irrationalism.
Actually not entirely new. This is class 563, the "5" means "Battery electric" while a "4" would mean "Electric". Especially from the 1950s to the 1990s, class 515 and its prototype 517 were common in Germany. Though there were also much much older versions. They all had lead-acid batteries and were obviously performing quite crappy. What is really new about Tesla's train here is that it is not fully battery ... it can pick up from overhead as well and can also charge its batteries from there. That was different in the old days where the battery trains required special chargers to be installed at certain stations.
Essentially, you raise the pantograph at the last station on the route to charge the battery pack, similar to what JR East did on a couple of routes in northern Japan.
Electric milk floats were common in the UK , from the early 1900's to the 1970's ...they worked exceptionally well in all weathers .. a great loss when they were fazed out due to competition from supermarkets.
Sam you should have mentioned that batterie electric trains have a significant energy saving. Trains are used because their rolling resistance is very low although they are heavy. Depending on frequency of stop and starts the energy recovery when stopping can be as high as 75% through regenerative braking as opposed to the squeaking brakes that train passengers are very familiar with.
@@MrBoboka12 Do your calculation kWh consumed to accelerate and reabsorb at regen 5 min later come any where near your 200tons. You're out by a factor well over 1000!
We have been working on a battery electric freight train for over ten years. The difference is there is not a "locomotive", each freight car is self powered. Same as passenger rail cars. What most don't appreciate is a 150-ton freight rail car uses the same power and energy as a Toyota Prius. We are working with a swappable battery system now as we are partnered with one of the world leaders in this technology.
When I heard about free travel in Luxembourg (I have free travel in London because of my age) I had to think about it and it really makes sense. My children have not benefited from this, sadly it was my main expense at the time, but now it seems that young students in London also have free travel on buses. Not trains, there are people commuting to/from London who live 100 miles away.
@@aftonline A group of 4 of us were in Cairns last week and the 50 cent price was a reduction of $9.50 each way from Palm Cove. Sadly this is not the same in Victoria 😞
Sure, it's just this Siemens one can also run electric, on non-electrified lines. as much as what has been said in the video is misleading, so is your own response.
I was involved in fitting batteries to passenger trains in Adelaide,we converted them to hybrids, they save a lot of diesel, and don't create fumes in the main station, the batteries were supplied by ABB Switzerland
As a German I was shocked when I found out that not every train route is electrified. Even decades ago, every train I ever used was of course electric. I assumed it was a given. 🤷♂️
It's a hybrid catenary/battery electric in that it runs off the overhead catenary whilst on the main line and switches to the battery when it branches off to the Tesla factory. The hydrogen train is probably for longer, unelectrified stretches of the rail network.
Think with H2 also trains will never be economically making sense. There is NO green energy in excess and hydrogen in cars would have only 12% energy efficiency. The infrastructure at least for cars already failed and for trains it would not be better even when production has railroads access. Hydrogen only makes sense on small scale equipment e.g. HOS AG made PICEA added to PV in your house to produce low pressured H2 for wintertime until June/July and the with the access you power cars or you sell - electricity of course!
Well only 3 reasons for hydrogen trains: 1- Subsidy, 2- To compare with battery ones, 3- Hoping one day we might have cheap source of hydrogen and then the expierience could pay off
Most long distance trains are diesel/electric. The diesel engine drives a generator making electricity. The electricity powers the electric motors that drive the train to move.
The truth about diesel trains is that they were always hybrids. The diesel ran generators that powered the electric motors that turn the wheels. Just not the most efficient way to power them now. Once they made the move from steam, they went diesel/electric.
Not the germans, they have always been fan of diesel-hydraulics locomotives. It’s the French with Alsthom that always used diesel electric trains. Which allows either batteries for diesel trains, or standard generator carriage for electric trains having to run on junctions not yet electrified (export trains only, locally they just stick a CC72000 series in front of the whole shebang and call it a day, or on ‘heritage’ train service a restored museum quality steam locomotive in front of a TGV…)
Here in France the majority of our trains are electric although not battery. The train was made by french company Alstom I noticed. I'm curious though about where the electricity comes from in this case as Germany is renowned for burning coal to produce electricity 🤔
By 2023, renewable energy sources accounted for 59.7% of Germany's electricity generation. This includes: Wind power: 32% Photovoltaic systems: 59.9 terawatt hours (TWh), with 53.5 TWh fed into the public grid Biomass: 8.7% Hydroelectric: Remainder So no, it is not primarily coal power :-) PS In terms of greenhouse gas emissions, Hydrogen is far worse than diesel.
Just to clarify, so in France all is very clean and safe from nuclear powered plants with RuZZian Uranium or so?🤪😵💫 The problem by the way in Germany are not electrified trains or coal power plants. Most trains like in France are with overhead lines already, but otherwise Diesel and not batteries. Here Swiss Stadler Rail has sold many of their new BEV already, becoming more and more momentum on former Diesel powered routes. The recuperation factor and soft braking add to comfortable ride and the trains are very quiet and smooth. But as I said more of a problem is however pressured air production losses in the entire industry that consume more electricity than Deutsche Bundesbahnen annually needs! And also battery electric trains actually have nothing to do with early trials with lead batteries and operate cheaper and more reliable than Diesel powered trains!
when I was a kid in the late 50's we lived at a place in the UK near Farnborough called the 'quadrant' a large area closed in by three railway lines that formed a triangle. All those tracks were electric and were powered by the 3rd rail system, great idea except if you stood on the third rail you were toast. The lines were well fenced with plenty of warning signs, but our dog could not read, so didn't last long.
Bro it is not the first electric train in Berlin / Brandenburg 😂 Tesla gave an order to NEB (private train company) fora train service from Erkner to the Factory. Last stretch of the route is not electric so they used diesel. Now Siemens delivered this Battery Hybrid Train "Mireo" for this service. Tesla will also get a new Train station for regular Train service (RE1, ofc fully electric)
Electric trains are common worldwide, but they rely on delivering electricity all along the track. Electrification is expensive and only makes sense for busy lines. Battery electric trains are going to be more expensive than electric trains, but they can run on electrified and non electrified lines. So an obvious replacement for diesel electric trains, but potentially also for electric trains - it would be interesting to know which were more energy efficient. But I'm pretty sure then electrified railways are going to use more cabling.
2:03 This is actually a new rule. Similar to swiss Where every factory and mall or warehouse must be connected by rail.But there are companies that provide free rail transportation. Because workers can come by themselves by train, bus or car.But Tesla's factory seems far from the nearest train station.
This particular train is a Sieman's Mireo Plus B model powered by Lithium=Titanium Oxide Battery's from Toshiba and made in Japan, it produces 1.7MW of power and when it is running on battery alone it has a range of 120 kilometers , but it also runs on non electric rail tracks as well as electric overhead rail tracks , the operator is NEB a private regional company operating in Berlin and Brandenburg as well as eastern Germany right up to the Polish border
Caltrain is switching to overhead electric power between San Francisco and San Jose because of lower noise and vastly faster acceleration and deceleration using Stadler KISS train sets. They will phase out most of their diesel-electric-based train sets except for a small number operating between San Jose and Gilroy.
You may get away with removing particulate filters in Australia, I do not know. In most European countries though there is a mandatory yearly technical inspection. Of course you could remove it every year after the inspection, but I do not know any who do.
Not that long ago in germany, at these inspections, the car was just asked via OBD if it is fine, by saying YES it passed the test, but the car wasnt able to detect a destroyed catalytic converter. Nowadays they switched back to really measure via sonde.
Although currently just 61 percent of the railway net is electrified, 74 percent of all train kilometres are covered electrically. This is because the sections with the most traffic are electrified.Oct 4, 2022
I don't know why they bother with batteries for electric trains which run on rails and can pick up power from overhead lines. It's just extra weight and cost.
Volvo is doing the same with moves to battery electric construction equipment in Sweden. They have made real strides in Europe with them. Also semi trucks. Right now they make both electric and diesel with the only difference the power plant but lots of work on electric as they phase out the diesel ones. Excavators, loaders, dozers, etc are all powered by hydraulic pumps so the power plant swap is the only needed change. Right now the electric are mostly special use items but as they improve battery performance that will change.
Simple way of putting up or shutting up (shop) Is if you can't make a train EMC viable then why bother with a car.. If trains can't go full electric battery for a distance viability then cars will fail in providing as well as trucks and air craft.... First came the train and opened it all up then came the car and spread us far, along came a plane and the time scale halved. This was the last 100 years or so.... That is the challenge that is the laws of economics within our altered nature....❤🎉😊
IOW you mean it's the first battery (helped) train in Berlin? Great. to replace diesel or dual-mode for short stretches without overhead/third rail track. But long term that'd be a better solution - plentiful 'normal' electric trains in Berlin and Germany in general
China is testing Battery-powered Trains without the overhead cables & without metal rails as well ! They were guided by underground sensors & satellite signals which will turn the traffic lights Green before their arrival so that the Trains can be able to run fast . These will be used in medium size cities with low Infrastructure budget .
@@ed1pk… still, nothing new. Electrifying the short bit of the track that made Diesel traction necessary in the first place would have been a much better investment. This is a PR stunt.
@@OliverJWeber didn’t know they were already in existence. Where are they currently deployed and in what capacity? Curious to see how efficient regenerative braking is and what the battery capacities are.
Australia has electrified train tracks not battery electric trains. It's a world first in that it runs on batteries which means they don't have to elecrify the train tracks which costs a lot of money, they can simply run these ones in the place of diesel trains.
@@ommanipadmehung3014 In 1887, the first German battery railcars were placed in service by the Royal Bavarian State Railways. In April 2024 a total of 5 Siemens Mireo Plus B (battery EV train) have been deployed in Germany. Plus all the other (battery) EV trains between 1887 and now.
Diesel might be even worse still, as the emissions data is generally collected from cars going long distances where the filtering system is at operating temperature. Fine for trucks and trains, but any diesel cars taking short trips don't reach that temperature, and the emissions are worse.
Germany has a lack of electricity. They recently closed all atomic power plants, so with such trains added on, the grid needs to deliver - but what is the source? Even though sustainable sources are growing fast, coal is still a major source of German electricity. LNG is the major replacement of Russian piped gas, but costlier. So diesel trains may not have been a bad idea ....
Hydrogen is 2x less effective than accumulate heat into sand and use steam turbine to get electricity back. Hydrogen is ment for the long term storage but they use it as everyday storage. In Estonia where i live solar needs about 3x wattage that is needed in winter that make 10x more power into grid in summer but saving into hot sand let get energy back and 45c-50c temperature is still ok to use in floor heating
Missed a lot of information on this one Viking obviously these trains are electric/battery as you can tell from the pantograph I would be interested to know do they charge the batteries on the move and when do they use them as battery powered versus electric. Presumably on the line to the Gigafactory as the line wasn't electrified as they used diesel trains previously
Musk is THE leading force for renewables on the planet! I am not a fan boi, but I acknowledge his contribution. Politics aside, Musk is an absolute genius. Just think if this catches on AND it will; Musk is creating a new market for his batteries, and other Tesla techs such as manufacturing and AI.
Oh my the days of affordable personal transportation is disappearing. Not like Ford at all, who made personal transportation available to most everybody.
Germany decided that as each diesel train came to the end it would be replaced with battery electric and this was decided in 2020 nothing to do with Him
Germany wants people to ride the trains, for the environment. But local trains in rural areas are all Diesel, and they are dirty Diesel, much worse than Diesel cars that are filtered and much cleaner. I use these German Diesel trains twice a year. Can this battery train do 60 miles range ( which is what it takes to get in and out of the average non-electrified local rail areas ) , before getting back to the electric grid? Does it cost the same as a Diesel train? Without both being a Yes, this is not the solution.
What is so special...need to carry batteries and weight more while most countries in europe have electric train using overhead cables across most of their territory. Maybe would be more useful in north america where most train are still diesel
The BEMUs (battery electric multiple units) appear to be Stadler FLIRT Akku models. Use pantographs for battery charging and operation. Battery units mounted on the roof and below the floor.
Hydrogen trains are they mad, >90% of Hydrogen is made from natural gas and it is dirtier than burning the stuff, the cost of Hydrogen is very expensive and the reliability of it's support equipment is terrible. In California people are suing Toyota because a tank of Hydrogen is $180 and 50% of the stations are down.
Trains are useless. People still have to get to the stations. Probably in a car. It is rare to have a station at one massive employer too. Most train users go all over the place after getting off. Driverless cars door to door will be better. More flexible and usable by all to every destination and pick up.
Ok… just few issues. Germany is electricity poor since closure of nukaplants and the destruction of n0rdstream. They also retired too quickly numbers of their diesel most notably the V100 series. Which obliged them to buy second hand french build NS locomotive similar to the SNCF BB7200 series. But now since they were obliged to restart coal mining, destroying several towns in the process they put back wartime steam engine for fret service. You can now see several youtube trainspotter videos showing heavy fret (coal/cereals) train handled by up to 3 BR52 class steam engines, often called “kriegslokomotive” that were build in wartime with low quality steel, no expensive alloys, basic powerplant with high coal consumption… So… yippy kai whatever for their battery operated trains… they are neck deep in doodoo…
Well, Germany has a very well-developed electrified rail network. Why not just extend them in a way so that battery electric trains that run without 15,000 V 16.666 Hz or 25,000 V 50 Hz overhead power can temporarily raise the pantograph to charge their batteries from overhead catenary wiring at each end of the route, similar to what JR East did to a couple of lines in northern Japan?
I don't get the hype of the "Giga Train". Battery Electric Trains are introduced in a lot of german states in the last year. They are being charged via paragraph from overhead wire - even if the overhead wire is only an island installation at certain stops. And I don't think hydrogen trains are being persuade any longer in Germany. There are a few lines in Lower Saxony, but battery electric trains have one the battle - as far as I can see.
This is a fascinating article, but you should think through your statements. Battery-powered trains are not going to replace diesel trains any time soon. Diesel trains are primarily used to haul immense loads over very long distances. As we have seen with the Cybertruck, it has spectacular power to haul heavy loads, but not for long distances. The stored energy capacity of diesel fuel currently dwarfs that of even the best batteries. With this particular battery-powered commuter train, Tesla is hauling a comparatively light load for a very short distance. While I am impressed with this application, applying it to all train-use situations is a failed extrapolation. Where this might actually be paradigm-changing is if the engineering problems for a hyperloop 600 mph train can be solved. Because any hyperloop train MUST be powered by electricity, there may be some crossover with this rudimentary application. Creating a massive vacuum for a hyperloop train may not be possible with today's technology, but it is an interesting thought experiment.
Just realizing no one in the comments is American, they're all Germans, so they don't care how incredible an electric train is to get to work. But many Germans still use diesel😢.
This topic reminds me of Disneyland's Tomorrowland -- the 1962 version. All thanks to the slightly (politically) warped mind of Elon Musk. Mr. Disney envisioned it, Mr. Musk brought it to life.
😅 😅 😅 guess we have to thank Elon now that he brought us electric trains. Maybe he should build them in Las Vegas instead of digging holes to shuttle Teslas around.
He can also mount his giga battery packs used in municipality power stations. And transport them around a country. Effectively making. A mobile power station.
Not new. Nothing special. Dutch trains run on electric power for over a century. Before WWII the main rail network was electrified. Coal is passé. Diesel only for freight trains. But not always.
Silly anti-deisel bender here. For large vehicles long range trucks, and also large SUVs, diesels are the only? and certainly best way to go right now. Sure - when 10 minute recharges give towing pickups and vans 400 miles of range, then things change - but diesel best fits that use case today - and there is no need to vilify its use where its a fit. You can rant all you want about gasoline - its useless, dangerous, and inefficient use of material really. Crude Oil makes 1000 products so it should be refined and developed for profitable, exportable productions.
Not to mention the fact that it is "public" transport. You don't need a $50k loan to get on a train. If we're serious about a clean, green future, public transportation is where the answer will be found, not in cars that do 0-60 in the blink of an eye.
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To counter false impressions, most of Germany's trains are already electric and trains in Berlin have been driving on electricity for over a hundred years, just via overhead cable, not batteries. There are also already other battery electric trains in Germany that went into service in the last ten years, just not in Berlin because there is overhead everywhere or Brandenburg, because Brandenburg is a little backwards.
For trains, especially in densely populated areas, seems like the overhead wires are more efficient?
Pretty annoying to see Mr Sleepy Eyes getting desperate for content ideas and forgetting to research. Dont recommend channel!
@@freeheeler09 Exactly.
Elon loves inventing things that already exist
So it is more efficient to haul heavy batteries rather than hook up directly to the grid ? Shows how obsession creeps into our mind and leads to irrationalism.
Actually not entirely new. This is class 563, the "5" means "Battery electric" while a "4" would mean "Electric". Especially from the 1950s to the 1990s, class 515 and its prototype 517 were common in Germany. Though there were also much much older versions. They all had lead-acid batteries and were obviously performing quite crappy. What is really new about Tesla's train here is that it is not fully battery ... it can pick up from overhead as well and can also charge its batteries from there. That was different in the old days where the battery trains required special chargers to be installed at certain stations.
Thx - great info
Essentially, you raise the pantograph at the last station on the route to charge the battery pack, similar to what JR East did on a couple of routes in northern Japan.
Battery electric vehicles that charge from catenary power? I live in València and thought that was normal. It certainly is convenient.
London started using electric trains in 1890 and milk floats from 1932.
Milk floats? I didn't know that, but I do know cast iron sinks.
Formerly we had battery electric Mille floats in UK but they were I think troublesome in low temperatures?
Slow moving vehicles loaded with milk bottles, generally for home delivery. Electric replaced horses
Electric milk floats were common in the UK , from the early 1900's to the 1970's ...they worked exceptionally well in all weathers .. a great loss when they were fazed out due to competition from supermarkets.
Sam you should have mentioned that batterie electric trains have a significant energy saving. Trains are used because their rolling resistance is very low although they are heavy. Depending on frequency of stop and starts the energy recovery when stopping can be as high as 75% through regenerative braking as opposed to the squeaking brakes that train passengers are very familiar with.
He doesn't know.
He is a news story reader, does so without research 😁
And he said several times he has no time to read coments anyway...
Saving by adding 200tons of battery? Or by producing that battery?
@@MrBoboka12 Do your calculation kWh consumed to accelerate and reabsorb at regen 5 min later come any where near your 200tons. You're out by a factor well over 1000!
Regular electric trains can also be retrofitted with recovery. It is currently installed in Athens metro line 1.
We have been working on a battery electric freight train for over ten years. The difference is there is not a "locomotive", each freight car is self powered. Same as passenger rail cars.
What most don't appreciate is a 150-ton freight rail car uses the same power and energy as a Toyota Prius.
We are working with a swappable battery system now as we are partnered with one of the world leaders in this technology.
Same energy as a prius?! Sounds hard to believe, but I try. I really didn't expect that!
One of the perks of living or working in Luxembourg is you get free transport on electric trains and buses.😊
When I heard about free travel in Luxembourg (I have free travel in London because of my age) I had to think about it and it really makes sense. My children have not benefited from this, sadly it was my main expense at the time, but now it seems that young students in London also have free travel on buses. Not trains, there are people commuting to/from London who live 100 miles away.
We have 50c train fares in Queensland on a 6-month trial at the moment. Not quite free, but close enough. Certainly way cheaper than driving.
They must keep all the crazy homeless outside the city/country. Any gypsies there?
yes but the food prices are insane.
@@aftonline A group of 4 of us were in Cairns last week and the 50 cent price was a reduction of $9.50 each way from Palm Cove. Sadly this is not the same in Victoria 😞
Oh my BS. Europe is full of electric powertrain trains, already.
Sure, it's just this Siemens one can also run electric, on non-electrified lines. as much as what has been said in the video is misleading, so is your own response.
It's battery electric. That's cool. Many electric trains have existed for a long time, but not so many battery electric trains.
I was involved in fitting batteries to passenger trains in Adelaide,we converted them to hybrids, they save a lot of diesel, and don't create fumes in the main station, the batteries were supplied by ABB Switzerland
99,9% of Europe train lines are electrically covered...fuckin' joke.
As a German I was shocked when I found out that not every train route is electrified. Even decades ago, every train I ever used was of course electric. I assumed it was a given. 🤷♂️
It's a hybrid catenary/battery electric in that it runs off the overhead catenary whilst on the main line and switches to the battery when it branches off to the Tesla factory. The hydrogen train is probably for longer, unelectrified stretches of the rail network.
good thinkin!
That sounds like Newcastle's trams. Sam?
Ah, so Tesla didn't even electrify the line. What was Tesla's involvment then? Maybe they helped pay for the train and painted it with "Giga train".
Think with H2 also trains will never be economically making sense. There is NO green energy in excess and hydrogen in cars would have only 12% energy efficiency. The infrastructure at least for cars already failed and for trains it would not be better even when production has railroads access. Hydrogen only makes sense on small scale equipment e.g. HOS AG made PICEA added to PV in your house to produce low pressured H2 for wintertime until June/July and the with the access you power cars or you sell - electricity of course!
Well only 3 reasons for hydrogen trains: 1- Subsidy, 2- To compare with battery ones, 3- Hoping one day we might have cheap source of hydrogen and then the expierience could pay off
Most long distance trains are diesel/electric.
The diesel engine drives a generator making electricity.
The electricity powers the electric motors that drive the train to move.
The truth about diesel trains is that they were always hybrids. The diesel ran generators that powered the electric motors that turn the wheels. Just not the most efficient way to power them now. Once they made the move from steam, they went diesel/electric.
Not the germans, they have always been fan of diesel-hydraulics locomotives.
It’s the French with Alsthom that always used diesel electric trains. Which allows either batteries for diesel trains, or standard generator carriage for electric trains having to run on junctions not yet electrified (export trains only, locally they just stick a CC72000 series in front of the whole shebang and call it a day, or on ‘heritage’ train service a restored museum quality steam locomotive in front of a TGV…)
Here in France the majority of our trains are electric although not battery. The train was made by french company Alstom I noticed. I'm curious though about where the electricity comes from in this case as Germany is renowned for burning coal to produce electricity 🤔
By 2023, renewable energy sources accounted for 59.7% of Germany's electricity generation. This includes:
Wind power: 32%
Photovoltaic systems: 59.9 terawatt hours (TWh), with 53.5 TWh fed into the public grid
Biomass: 8.7%
Hydroelectric: Remainder
So no, it is not primarily coal power :-)
PS In terms of greenhouse gas emissions, Hydrogen is far worse than diesel.
@@AtomicHermit thanks for that information. Like I said I was curious to know. It wasn't criticism 😉
Just to clarify, so in France all is very clean and safe from nuclear powered plants with RuZZian Uranium or so?🤪😵💫 The problem by the way in Germany are not electrified trains or coal power plants. Most trains like in France are with overhead lines already, but otherwise Diesel and not batteries. Here Swiss Stadler Rail has sold many of their new BEV already, becoming more and more momentum on former Diesel powered routes. The recuperation factor and soft braking add to comfortable ride and the trains are very quiet and smooth. But as I said more of a problem is however pressured air production losses in the entire industry that consume more electricity than Deutsche Bundesbahnen annually needs! And also battery electric trains actually have nothing to do with early trials with lead batteries and operate cheaper and more reliable than Diesel powered trains!
@@Lifecoach7Ra I'm personally anti-nuclear and would love the world to be 100% renewable. It's probably best that it's not me who decides 🤣
The train is build by Siemens not by Alstom. In Germany alstom battery electric trains are used as well in some states.
Sam literally wants is own Locomotive!!! 🚂 😂😅😆🤣
when I was a kid in the late 50's we lived at a place in the UK near Farnborough called the 'quadrant' a large area closed in by three railway lines that formed a triangle. All those tracks were electric and were powered by the 3rd rail system, great idea except if you stood on the third rail you were toast. The lines were well fenced with plenty of warning signs, but our dog could not read, so didn't last long.
We've got to keep Puffing Billy though 🙏🏼
The goal is not to replace all cars with EVs. The problem is transportation.
It most definitely is the plan to get rid of ICEs. Failure is not an option.
Bro it is not the first electric train in Berlin / Brandenburg 😂
Tesla gave an order to NEB (private train company) fora train service from Erkner to the Factory. Last stretch of the route is not electric so they used diesel. Now Siemens delivered this Battery Hybrid Train "Mireo" for this service.
Tesla will also get a new Train station for regular Train service (RE1, ofc fully electric)
Electric trains are common worldwide, but they rely on delivering electricity all along the track. Electrification is expensive and only makes sense for busy lines. Battery electric trains are going to be more expensive than electric trains, but they can run on electrified and non electrified lines. So an obvious replacement for diesel electric trains, but potentially also for electric trains - it would be interesting to know which were more energy efficient. But I'm pretty sure then electrified railways are going to use more cabling.
2:03 This is actually a new rule. Similar to swiss Where every factory and mall or warehouse must be connected by rail.But there are companies that provide free rail transportation. Because workers can come by themselves by train, bus or car.But Tesla's factory seems far from the nearest train station.
This particular train is a Sieman's Mireo Plus B model powered by Lithium=Titanium Oxide Battery's from Toshiba and made in Japan, it produces 1.7MW of power and when it is running on battery alone it has a range of 120 kilometers , but it also runs on non electric rail tracks as well as electric overhead rail tracks , the operator is NEB a private regional company operating in Berlin and Brandenburg as well as eastern Germany right up to the Polish border
Mr. Viking, it would be spectacular to have you interview Germans as they board this train their reaction.
Electric trains has been existed in Europe for sometime. Mr Viking doing his normal propaganda video.
The same way Hyperloop "killed" US trains ?
I didn’t know diesel train where still a thing 😳
Caltrain is switching to overhead electric power between San Francisco and San Jose because of lower noise and vastly faster acceleration and deceleration using Stadler KISS train sets. They will phase out most of their diesel-electric-based train sets except for a small number operating between San Jose and Gilroy.
You may get away with removing particulate filters in Australia, I do not know. In most European countries though there is a mandatory yearly technical inspection. Of course you could remove it every year after the inspection, but I do not know any who do.
Not that long ago in germany, at these inspections, the car was just asked via OBD if it is fine, by saying YES it passed the test, but the car wasnt able to detect a destroyed catalytic converter. Nowadays they switched back to really measure via sonde.
china already got those trains 10 years ago
Oh wow, seriously, that's amazing. OMG.
Battery electric? Yes, they have some, but not many.
Although currently just 61 percent of the railway net is electrified, 74 percent of all train kilometres are covered electrically. This is because the sections with the most traffic are electrified.Oct 4, 2022
I don't know why they bother with batteries for electric trains which run on rails and can pick up power from overhead lines. It's just extra weight and cost.
So they can run on non electrified lines.
@@keithhooper6123 Yes but how far can they go before they have to stop somewhere to recharge? Better to just electrify the lines and be done with it.
Volvo is doing the same with moves to battery electric construction equipment in Sweden. They have made real strides in Europe with them. Also semi trucks. Right now they make both electric and diesel with the only difference the power plant but lots of work on electric as they phase out the diesel ones. Excavators, loaders, dozers, etc are all powered by hydraulic pumps so the power plant swap is the only needed change. Right now the electric are mostly special use items but as they improve battery performance that will change.
Simple way of putting up or shutting up (shop)
Is if you can't make a train EMC viable then why bother with a car..
If trains can't go full electric battery for a distance viability then cars will fail in providing as well as trucks and air craft....
First came the train and opened it all up then came the car and spread us far, along came a plane and the time scale halved.
This was the last 100 years or so....
That is the challenge that is the laws of economics within our altered nature....❤🎉😊
IOW you mean it's the first battery (helped) train in Berlin? Great. to replace diesel or dual-mode for short stretches without overhead/third rail track. But long term that'd be a better solution - plentiful 'normal' electric trains in Berlin and Germany in general
What a good idea 💡 👏
Maybe you should google "Mireo Plus B", just to widen your horizont.
China is testing Battery-powered Trains without the overhead cables & without metal rails as well ! They were guided
by underground sensors & satellite signals which will turn the traffic lights Green before their arrival so that the Trains
can be able to run fast . These will be used in medium size cities with low Infrastructure budget .
I think the word you want is "busses".
@@Talon5516-tx3ih Yes , 1 bus linked together w/ 2-3 cabins to form a train .
Most trains in Germany are electric. Nothing special about this one.
These are battery powered and can use regenerative braking. Increasing efficiency and reducing equipment overhead.
@@ed1pk… still, nothing new. Electrifying the short bit of the track that made Diesel traction necessary in the first place would have been a much better investment. This is a PR stunt.
@@OliverJWeber didn’t know they were already in existence. Where are they currently deployed and in what capacity? Curious to see how efficient regenerative braking is and what the battery capacities are.
Australia has Electric trains for 70 years so what
Australia has electrified train tracks not battery electric trains. It's a world first in that it runs on batteries which means they don't have to elecrify the train tracks which costs a lot of money, they can simply run these ones in the place of diesel trains.
@@ommanipadmehung3014 In 1887, the first German battery railcars were placed in service by the Royal Bavarian State Railways. In April 2024 a total of 5 Siemens Mireo Plus B (battery EV train) have been deployed in Germany. Plus all the other (battery) EV trains between 1887 and now.
Half of Europe Rail system is electric. France and TGVs are 100% electric. They have used overhead wires since before WWII.
Diesel might be even worse still, as the emissions data is generally collected from cars going long distances where the filtering system is at operating temperature. Fine for trucks and trains, but any diesel cars taking short trips don't reach that temperature, and the emissions are worse.
In germany they are considering making all public transport free to the public. With enough renewable power it could happen..
This is quite funny. It's a normal commuter train.
Germany has a lack of electricity. They recently closed all atomic power plants, so with such trains added on, the grid needs to deliver - but what is the source? Even though sustainable sources are growing fast, coal is still a major source of German electricity. LNG is the major replacement of Russian piped gas, but costlier. So diesel trains may not have been a bad idea ....
30% removing partical filter, never heard anyone ever doing that.. Seems unlikely..
Testing in Germany huh... alright I await the day we see it in the news again...
Lol. He managed to sneek in an advert for zeeker and xpeng here too 😂
Its driverless trains we need all over🎉
Isnt there a train in australia using solar panels on the roof and regenerative breaking ?
Battery trains are kind of suboptimal, at least in Germany. All trains in Germany should be powered by cable lines.
Hydrogen is 2x less effective than accumulate heat into sand and use steam turbine to get electricity back. Hydrogen is ment for the long term storage but they use it as everyday storage. In Estonia where i live solar needs about 3x wattage that is needed in winter that make 10x more power into grid in summer but saving into hot sand let get energy back and 45c-50c temperature is still ok to use in floor heating
Missed a lot of information on this one Viking obviously these trains are electric/battery as you can tell from the pantograph I would be interested to know do they charge the batteries on the move and when do they use them as battery powered versus electric. Presumably on the line to the Gigafactory as the line wasn't electrified as they used diesel trains previously
Manufacturer of the trains would be Siemens
Musk is THE leading force for renewables on the planet!
I am not a fan boi, but I acknowledge his contribution.
Politics aside, Musk is an absolute genius.
Just think if this catches on AND it will;
Musk is creating a new market for his batteries, and other Tesla techs such as manufacturing and AI.
Sadly, he is a fascist with too muvh money
So what is the battery capacity???
Solving a problem that didn’t exist
Oh my the days of affordable personal transportation is disappearing. Not like Ford at all, who made personal transportation available to most everybody.
Germany decided that as each diesel train came to the end it would be replaced with battery electric and this was decided in 2020 nothing to do with Him
You could buy 2 teslas for the same cost as the Mercedes..
Germany wants people to ride the trains, for the environment. But local trains in rural areas are all Diesel, and they are dirty Diesel, much worse than Diesel cars that are filtered and much cleaner. I use these German Diesel trains twice a year. Can this battery train do 60 miles range ( which is what it takes to get in and out of the average non-electrified local rail areas ) , before getting back to the electric grid? Does it cost the same as a Diesel train? Without both being a Yes, this is not the solution.
Mean while India has one of the top 4 biggest railway network in the world and 90% of the trains run by electricity
In Germany 62% of the railway network is electrified but about 90% of all train traffic is electrified.
Is Tesla also going to operate these trains in the United States?
It seems stoopid to use batteries... Just put electrical lines along the tracks!
What is so special...need to carry batteries and weight more while most countries in europe have electric train using overhead cables across most of their territory. Maybe would be more useful in north america where most train are still diesel
German protesters are just so wrong about Tesla it’s ridiculous!
Electric Viking the Tesla saleman
The BEMUs (battery electric multiple units) appear to be Stadler FLIRT Akku models. Use pantographs for battery charging and operation. Battery units mounted on the roof and below the floor.
It's a Siemens Mireo Plus B.
Come to china you will see electric train everywhere, highest speed is 600 km/h . China also build high speed rail for Indonesia recently
The benzine in petrol, under 2 % which is not burned during combustion and is carsinogenic must be as dangerous as diesel.
Hydrogen trains are they mad, >90% of Hydrogen is made from natural gas and it is dirtier than burning the stuff, the cost of Hydrogen is very expensive and the reliability of it's support equipment is terrible. In California people are suing Toyota because a tank of Hydrogen is $180 and 50% of the stations are down.
Trains are useless. People still have to get to the stations. Probably in a car. It is rare to have a station at one massive employer too. Most train users go all over the place after getting off. Driverless cars door to door will be better. More flexible and usable by all to every destination and pick up.
Ok… just few issues.
Germany is electricity poor since closure of nukaplants and the destruction of n0rdstream.
They also retired too quickly numbers of their diesel most notably the V100 series. Which obliged them to buy second hand french build NS locomotive similar to the SNCF BB7200 series.
But now since they were obliged to restart coal mining, destroying several towns in the process they put back wartime steam engine for fret service.
You can now see several youtube trainspotter videos showing heavy fret (coal/cereals) train handled by up to 3 BR52 class steam engines, often called “kriegslokomotive” that were build in wartime with low quality steel, no expensive alloys, basic powerplant with high coal consumption…
So… yippy kai whatever for their battery operated trains… they are neck deep in doodoo…
Imagine that burning at 200mph....💥
Well, Germany has a very well-developed electrified rail network. Why not just extend them in a way so that battery electric trains that run without 15,000 V 16.666 Hz or 25,000 V 50 Hz overhead power can temporarily raise the pantograph to charge their batteries from overhead catenary wiring at each end of the route, similar to what JR East did to a couple of lines in northern Japan?
Coz they are stupid and corrupt in Berlin, they now electrify the Ahrtalbahn.
I don't get the hype of the "Giga Train".
Battery Electric Trains are introduced in a lot of german states in the last year. They are being charged via paragraph from overhead wire - even if the overhead wire is only an island installation at certain stops.
And I don't think hydrogen trains are being persuade any longer in Germany. There are a few lines in Lower Saxony, but battery electric trains have one the battle - as far as I can see.
Just search for "Stadler Flirt Akku"
Bombardier Talent 3 BEMU
Stadler Flirt Akku
No need for wires…..which can be stolen. Weight isn’t such a big factor with rolling stock.
BS.
This is a fascinating article, but you should think through your statements. Battery-powered trains are not going to replace diesel trains any time soon. Diesel trains are primarily used to haul immense loads over very long distances. As we have seen with the Cybertruck, it has spectacular power to haul heavy loads, but not for long distances. The stored energy capacity of diesel fuel currently dwarfs that of even the best batteries. With this particular battery-powered commuter train, Tesla is hauling a comparatively light load for a very short distance. While I am impressed with this application, applying it to all train-use situations is a failed extrapolation.
Where this might actually be paradigm-changing is if the engineering problems for a hyperloop 600 mph train can be solved. Because any hyperloop train MUST be powered by electricity, there may be some crossover with this rudimentary application. Creating a massive vacuum for a hyperloop train may not be possible with today's technology, but it is an interesting thought experiment.
The hydrogen is probably made from methane, which is ridiculous. I wonder if you can find out, Sam.
Hydrogen! Why? We all know what happens when you let the Germans play with the hydrogen. 😝😬😓 3:50
If Elon announces a giga train, this is like all the other Elon announcements that came to nothing
It’s nothing new, these type
of trains have been operating in the UK for a while, and Musk is still a 🔔 end.
Yep Great Western testing for branch lines that not electrified.
Aren't most trains in China electric?
Hydrogen ANYTHING is a DUMB idea. Too dangerous and too many moving parts.
Hyperloop is next😂😂
If you have an excess electricity you can manufacture hydrogen that makes you fuel independent.
Japan has had battery, catenary electric hybrid trains far ages.
Just realizing no one in the comments is American, they're all Germans, so they don't care how incredible an electric train is to get to work. But many Germans still use diesel😢.
Mindboggling. I try to remember it next time I take an electric train. Oh, google the word Siemens, okay?
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this is a four coaches electric train which can be made in India by combining four electric buses
You are joking ..... LOL ....
Oh my the days of affordable personal transportation is disappearing.
NEB is going to launch Hydrogen trains to replace stop gap electric trains. 😅😂 "dumb hydrogen"
This is a siemens trains not tesla not sure why it got the name tesla train lmao..
Its a siemens mireo platform
This topic reminds me of Disneyland's Tomorrowland -- the 1962 version. All thanks to the slightly (politically) warped mind of Elon Musk. Mr. Disney envisioned it, Mr. Musk brought it to life.
😅 😅 😅 guess we have to thank Elon now that he brought us electric trains. Maybe he should build them in Las Vegas instead of digging holes to shuttle Teslas around.
He can also mount his giga battery packs used in municipality power stations. And transport them around a country. Effectively making. A mobile power station.
Pro Tesla. pump pump pump Tesla daily
All trains and turbines run on air as their only fuel source so that would be evil to do that and lie to the public but what is new about that?😂
Not new. Nothing special. Dutch trains run on electric power for over a century. Before WWII the main rail network was electrified. Coal is passé. Diesel only for freight trains. But not always.
Silly anti-deisel bender here.
For large vehicles long range trucks, and also large SUVs, diesels are the only? and certainly best way to go right now. Sure - when 10 minute recharges give towing pickups and vans 400 miles of range, then things change - but diesel best fits that use case today - and there is no need to vilify its use where its a fit.
You can rant all you want about gasoline - its useless, dangerous, and inefficient use of material really.
Crude Oil makes 1000 products so it should be refined and developed for profitable, exportable productions.
A better idea to make these trains than boring and dated TeZla cars.
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Not to mention the fact that it is "public" transport. You don't need a $50k loan to get on a train. If we're serious about a clean, green future, public transportation is where the answer will be found, not in cars that do 0-60 in the blink of an eye.