🔴⚪⚫Absolutely GREAT chat.. I thoroughly enjoyed every minute of that. Thank you Jeff! I enjoyed everyone's point of view and input but I especially enjoyed Chris' summation of what Ed brought to the guitar community 26:50 ... this is my favourite Ed panel chat on RUclips since Ed passed... Thanks again, Simon Hosford (you probably haven't seen it, but I did the YT video of the whole Van Halen 1 album live in track order at The Melbourne Guitar Show before Ed passed). All the best from Down Under Jeff, thanks for the always great content 🙏
This was a great episode! Alex has been my childhood hero since I started playing drums in the summer of 1982 at 11 years old. I definitely enjoyed Alex's book but I too kind of wished that someone with a great deal of VH knowledge would have been there to fact check for him. I was fortunate to record several episodes for the Drum History Podcast talking about Alex's gear over the years and it's not something I learned overnight. I have spent MANY years looking at pics, going to shows, reading interviews and I tried the best I could to be as factual as possible. Of course I have never had access to Alex and I am just a big fan that has had to do the research on my own. I did finally get to meet Alex at the NJ book signing, which was awesome but it was also brief and I was not able to say much to him. I did mention the episodes we did, including one covering his recent auction but I'm not quite sure he understood what I was talking about. Since I had been hearing talk about Alex saying he wanted to set the record straight on Edward's life, I was a little surprised at how much stuff in his book were not his actual words. Nonetheless I enjoyed it, heard a few things I had never heard before and finally got to meet my hero because of it. ruclips.net/video/0CCHRGwTN6A/видео.html
Yeah, that reverb on that first album… first few songs mainly, was what created that space. It just sounded so incredible, sitting at home listening. Plus, I would listen to the album pretty often with headphones. Those big old giant 70s headphones. I would just lay down in front of the record player in our living room, eyes closed, listening to the album. And that tapping part of Eruption sounded just like raindrops all around me. With that delay and phaser. I didn’t know what was going on.
1:47:02 Dear God yes. That really struck me. She didn’t value her son’s talent enough and she would berate him with this thing that he was a ‘nothing nut like your Father’ …..to a sensitive kid that could do real damage.. Alex is right..What Brad also must remember is that in that era parents were much stricter and even violent to their children …But EDWARD LEARNED FROM HIS MOTHERS MISTAKES…To his ETERNAL credit 😔(Paul)
I think Alex’s retrospective on his relationship with DLR tended to vary according to the social politics of the time. And that is not a criticism of Alex….In Steve Rosen’s 1985 taped interviews Alex was very negative towards Roth after the split and also in 1996 when DLR was aggressive to his little brother towards whom he was understandably very protective. I think today Alex looks back on Roth in the band with a much greater sense of nostalgia because he remembers how much commonality of experience they shared with him when they were up and coming..This was also the case in 2012 when the brothers and Roth did those B&W interviews together. But recently Alex described another bust up in 2021 after Edward passed away when DLR refused to do a homage to his beloved brother. So it’s still back and forth without solidarity ,not because of Alex but because Roth has always thrived on conflict. I think Sammy was conspicuously missing from Alex’s book. There was only one disclaiming mention…At one point in it Alex writes ‘we knew a singer the name of which escapes me’ ….OUCH 😖 I think that is because Sammy wrote this unfortunate chapter in his book called ‘Crazy Eddie’ which was horribly inappropriate really. And to this day Alex is still very angry about it. Which is why he today doesn’t want to go into the Hagar era because he felt it was such a betrayal and he now sees DLR as the lesser of the two evils. But looking back there were some great creative times with Sammy too 😔☮️. (Paul)
“Heavy is the head that wears the crown”. The pressure to constantly "reinvent the wheel" really did a number on Ed. AND...without Dave Roth he had all of the creative pressure on him. Hagar put so little effort into lyrics that it drove Ed nuts.
You are right about Ed needing Dave to share the load. Dave drew from a huge wealth of influences not restricted to the music; something that gave the band a noticeable edge over their competition. They were a smart, talented, good looking band that would kick your butt. With simpleton Hagar it's inarticulate, self-serious and "what will sell?" No wonder bean-counter Hagar obsesses over numbers and chart positions.
It's awesome that this show addresses this topic, the reception of Alex's book. I read the book first and then listened to the audio book version. And, with that, I felt that the read only version was not nearly as revealing as the audio version. I first got the impression that Alex and Dave worked well together. But the audio version CLEARLY doesn't hide his disappointment toward Roth, especially the way Dave treated Edward. I feel that Alex included Brad's/Chris'/Rosen's/Obrecht's words as a representation of Ed's " voice " for the book. Because, technically, Ed's voice was central for the aforementioned authors and their works ( Renoff's, Rosen's and Brad's/Chris' books are all outstanding ). Hopefully, when the paperback edition is being worked on, Alex should give full credit to these guys for their work. As a result, I don't feel like Alex is done talking about his versions of the VH story. Harper Collins doesn't usually do one book style contracts ( they usually sign for two-three book contracts ). I think Alex will address the Hagar/Cherone/Wolf-Roth years eventually. In fact, I would add that Alex writing a book could be a unique/creative way to introduce other unfinished VH music. Good discussions here, guys!
That’s very interesting ,,,thanks for this…. haven’t been able to hear the full audiobook version because it’s not available on CDs …only preview snippets. Yes, hearing Alex reading it you would get more of his emotional take than if you are reading the text off the page as I have….Yes, I had the impression there could be a post 1984 sequel to this great book but any barrier to it would be what Sammy wrote in his Red book which caused a huge fracture (Paul)
@@walterevans2118 I actually expected more " fracture " as well. But, Alex does give a huge shout out to Ed Leffler, toward the end. And Sammy is mentioned throughout the book ( albeit only a in a few places ). But, I don't feel Alex was really slighting against Sammy ( and he does praise Michael at one point ). Alex was ALWAYS a " contrarian " if you will-He always seemed to say one thing then change his mind. So, in a way, Alex always seemed to be the argumentative one ( probably got it from his mother, naturally ). But, I would have loved more " in the studio " stories with Edward ( which we get with the 1984 album production ). I suppose we'll see what happens.
@@Jedizen07yes he did credit Ed Leffner didn’t he ? That would indicate that Alex saw his role in the VH story as a separate entity from Sammy himself . I think in the Ed Leffner era VH mk 2 was more ‘all for one and one for all’ than the ‘who is the band leader Ed or Sammy’ which came later with more controversial management. (Paul)
@@Jedizen07 yes, Alex told a lovely story about Mikey didn’t he ? The one about when he was lead vocalist in his old band how when they would play ZZ Top numbers Mike’s girlfriend Sue would come on stage and PINCH MIKEY’S NOSE so his voice would sound more like Billy Gibbons…lol. (Paul)
Mike became marginalised because of Ed and Alex’s fracture with Sammy where Mike went on the ex lead singers 2002 tour with Sammy. But I don’t think it was Mike ‘betraying’ anyone …It was Mike being frustrated that he wasn’t out there playing the material live…Which he loved to do. (Paul)
Ed ‘views on people imitating him’ changed over time (see his Smithsonian interview in 2015) I think by making guitar and amp manufacture innovations Ed was improving so much for other players .
1:48:53 - I have to disagree. There is an interview on RUclips of EVH, in his own words, where he explains that he found refuge in the guitar. That he felt lonely and rejected and would hide in his room, burying himself into the guitar. He may have found joy in the guitar by 1995, but not in 1975.
@@ThemFuzzyMonsters Yes I remember Edward in an interview with Lisa Robinson in 1984 talking about this. He said -‘This piece of wood I played could never hurt me’ contrasting interacting with his instrument with interaction with other people who had done harm to him like girlfriends or school bullies with racial discrimination or even his own Mother who was a very strong personality who would force him to practice piano and lock his guitar in a closet if he didn’t ..As a child Edward was clearly afraid of his Mother, more so than Alex because Ed was more sensitive…. Edward would also talk to Jas Obrecht about how he could express his emotions more though his guitar than out of his mouth with mere words,,,and in a recorded phone interview with Steve Rosen Ed wept when explaining how unfair it was that his Father had suffered as a great musician down the years by not getting the breaks and luck that his talent truly deserved. Ed was a sensitive creative soul set loose in an insensitive macho rock world he never made. And yet he had the power to change both it and his instrument by his talent and his vision. 😔 (Paul)
This is a 100 percent valid point, but, again, this particular quote “crying noise” quote from Ed was in a entirely opposite context when he originally told it to me. Ed was talking about how much his guitar playing annoyed his mother and how he couldn’t understand or accept that since he was enjoying making music so much and he thought his mother should be happy as well. It was more about him being frustrated that she couldn’t accept his talents on the guitar the same way she embraced his talents on the piano. Ed was merely referring to how she always described it as “that high crying noise” and in no way was he inferring that he was crying through his instrument. He was talking about playing guitar as his escape from the b.s. of his daily life and as a source of hapiness. That quote does indeed fit with the other scenarios as an expression of pain and is actually a good way to tie it in with Eugenia’s possible perception, but when he originally said it that was not the scenario he was explaining to me. Context.
Here is the full unedited quote as Ed told it to me, in 2013. He was talking about his Fender Bandmaster amp: "In the little house in Pasadena that I grew up in, my mom always hated what she called 'that high crying noise'-in other words, soloing. She’d always go 'Why do you have to make that high crying noise?' And I hated that she hated my playing so much, because it was one of the few things that made me happy. I was playing music, which is what she always wanted me and Al to do, so what the fuck was she complaining about? But what I actually think made her so unhappy was how loud I was playing." He then went on to explain how he discovered that he could plug the speaker cabinet into the Bandmaster's external speaker output and it would sound like a fully cranked up amp but really quiet. Context.
@@professorgillsguitargearga6388 I think the conversation got sidetracked into if “crying” was literal or not. The question was originally aimed at EVH’s state of mind as a teen, and the panel missed discussing that topic. He was not a happy kid. His parents were from the pre-rock & roll generation, came from other cultures, and he didn’t fit well in school. From that angst came a guitar virtuoso. Thank you for your work. It is much appreciated.
I think Alex’s insights into Ed’s feeling pressure with the guitar hero press was very poignant and important. Alex’s up close take on this was that it was a great burden to Ed and that praise could even be a burden to a sensitive creative artist. Not just criticism. Alex said that Ed should have listened to his Father who said ‘don’t get locked into that’ ..Because it could build up and the way of ‘dealing with it’ would be to consume more and more alcohol and substances to blot it out. Alex also contrasted how with his beloved wife Stine unlike Edward he was able to pull out of the dive 😔. (Paul)
great content! @18:15 i've never had the impression that Ed was comfortable, welcomed, perpetuated or believed his status as what he came to be. this is certainly evident in the interviews he granted. one has to remember that "eruption" was never supposed to be committed to tape. I've always felt that he was in service to the song., his status, not so much. ya, mean streets, unchained, i'm the one, etc, etc, etc. featured some fantastic guitar playing but, they were also fantastic songs. that's why the stuff sold. the man should never have felt pressure to be spotlighted whether it was self-imposed or not. he probably felt fortunate that when inspiration struck, it sold you cannot force that shit. it'll piss me of if i learn he was pressured to do it again.. & again.... & again. Fame?, i'll take the cash, the spotlight? no, thanks!
At 2:45:00 mark the topic of the 3 Fair Warning live song videos- the proof within the Unchained video that there IS more footage is the one moment in the song chorus where Ed is playing the Franky. Obvious editing mistake, but very telling of possibilities.
I like how he referred to the more casual Van Halen fans as, “the lowest common denominator.”😂 Shoot, there’s probably a lot more of them, than us! 😝🤘🏻🎸 But I know it’s hard to find the right words, or examples, sometimes. 🤘🏻😝🎸
@@Jedizen07 Did Sammy update his book with 10 more pages ? ....Did he try to write new stuff to mend the gap between him & Alex ? It would be interesting to know what he specifically added . (Paul)
"Greatest" is a ugly word when describing a guitar player! But there is no doubt that EVH was the most influencial guitar player ever! He influenced players from other styles not just rock or metal players.
He was on blow all the time. He asked.numorous people to sing in the band and asked numorous people to play in the band. People doing coke do that so asking to be in Kiss is just part for the course
I want AL to talk more about his sound, technique, and how he approaches songs. AL did mess up a few dates.... he referenced Eddie's graduation picture quote.....and said it was 1963 instead of 1973.
Not according to copyright laws. Like any laws, the finer details are open to interpretation but authors do consistently have copyright protection. In the strictest sense, quotes from an interview where the interviewee gives consent to be interviewed belong to the authors if they are printed in a copyrighted work, like a book. There's also an interpretation where the interviewer/author and interviewee own the copyright jointly. In that case, Ed could have done his own book using quotes from the published interviews that Brad and I did with him as long as we gave him our consent in return. The joint ownership interpretation is essentially like a partnership agreement. There are several problems with the usage in Brothers of quotes by Ed, Steve Lukather, Tony Iommi, Mike Anthony, etc. that originally appeared in Eruption. The first is that Alex is not Ed, Luke, Iommi or Mike, so he has no rightful claim to ownership of their quotes. The proper and legal way that should have been handled by the ghost writer would have been for her to ask for clearance. However, fair use conditions are pretty loose, so she would have been fine by simply attributing the sources of those quotes in footnotes or a bibliography according to legal guidelines (title, author(s), publisher, year). Done. No money or fees even need to be paid. Just proper (and legally obligated) credit where credit is due. The issue is not the "memories" but rather the wholesale word-for-word duplication of entire passages of text that previously appeared in a copyrighted source - about 4,000 words in this case (enough to fill an entire chapter). You are correct - journalists do not own a person's memories, but they do own (or share ownership) of the exact word-for-word text that depicts those memories. Alex and/or his ghost writer could certainly depict those same memories, and as long as the text was entirely different it would not be an issue. It is however a big issue when 100- to 200-word long passages are duplicated in their entirety without any attribution to the source. Alex (or anyone else for that matter) can use them, but they just have to attribute them. It's both the right and legally required thing to do. It's also why Harper-Collins (the publisher of Brothers) immediately agreed to correct and rectify the situation within 24 hours of being notified of the situation. Here's a similar example to consider: Should the rights to a Neil Zlozower photograph of Edward Van Halen belong to Ed or Zloz? Copyright laws say that they belong to the photographer. By your argument, they should belong to Ed since it's his image. But copyright laws state otherwise. In this case, the photographer actually has more rights than historical/biography writers (a big part of the reason why I started shooting photos in addition to writing). I hope this explains the situation more clearly.
@@professorgillsguitargearga6388 Well, ok ,,,,,yes..... this may be in the LEGAL sense but not in the MORAL sense. And the fact that the former supersedes the latter could only be happening in a society where EVERYTHING is commodify-able...Even memories & body parts... God help us all . 🤥😔 (Paul)
@@professorgillsguitargearga6388 In the case of a photograph I can see the ambiguity actually ....I appreciate you showing me details pointing out to me that its not as cut & dried as it seems (Paul)
@@walterevans2118Fair point, but . . . In the MORAL sense we paid writers whose interview content we used in the Eruption book (Steve Rosen, Vic Garbarini, etc.) and cleared their permission/consent witn them in the first place. Legally we had zero obligation to do that. We could have just used their content for free as long as we credited them, like dozens of other writers have done to Brad and me very, very often over the years. But Brad and I chose to do the right thing. Keep in mind that Alex got paid a very generous 7-figure payment for this book, and his ghost writer certainly got a big 6-figure check as well. The least they (well, she really, as the bulk of the responsibility was her’s) could do when relying so heavily on the work and efforts of others before them is give credit where credit is due! That’s the MORAL thung to do. And it would have been nice for us to”Van Halen-ologists” to get a proper thank you rather than a dismissive, back-handed insult in the Author’s Note in the back of the book, particularly when a significant percentage of Brothers was derived from our work, reasearch, efforts and heavy lifting!
@@professorgillsguitargearga6388 well , yes I can appreciate that there is a moral aspect to ensuring that people who give information should be paid on a project but I was also talking about the morality referring to the idea of seeing everything in life as being reducible to a monetary value. I don’t really have enough information on Alex’s camp with regard to this to be in a position to make an informed evaluation on this to be honest so perhaps I shouldn’t comment on it 🤐😔 (Paul)
It is so very interesting how everyone is so afraid to criticize something they love. Sometimes it's deserved. Been a VH fan forever and it is simply exhausting 🥲
@ mikey. ya, i wouldve eventually resented having to do all the creating & then having committed to splitting it 4x ways. BUT, they were advised at the onset of their recording contract NOT to set it up that way, by ted templeman i think, they declined. time marches on, reality bubbles to the surface, the relations with mikey suffer, life goes on. wolfie's emergence probably expedited the dissolution as well.
🔴⚪⚫Absolutely GREAT chat.. I thoroughly enjoyed every minute of that. Thank you Jeff! I enjoyed everyone's point of view and input but I especially enjoyed Chris' summation of what Ed brought to the guitar community 26:50 ... this is my favourite Ed panel chat on RUclips since Ed passed... Thanks again, Simon Hosford (you probably haven't seen it, but I did the YT video of the whole Van Halen 1 album live in track order at The Melbourne Guitar Show before Ed passed). All the best from Down Under Jeff, thanks for the always great content 🙏
This is fantastic Jeff and everyone else. Really enjoying the chat. Much appreciated, as always 👍🏻
The solo in Aftershock blew my mind when I heard it!
This was a great episode! Alex has been my childhood hero since I started playing drums in the summer of 1982 at 11 years old. I definitely enjoyed Alex's book but I too kind of wished that someone with a great deal of VH knowledge would have been there to fact check for him. I was fortunate to record several episodes for the Drum History Podcast talking about Alex's gear over the years and it's not something I learned overnight. I have spent MANY years looking at pics, going to shows, reading interviews and I tried the best I could to be as factual as possible. Of course I have never had access to Alex and I am just a big fan that has had to do the research on my own. I did finally get to meet Alex at the NJ book signing, which was awesome but it was also brief and I was not able to say much to him. I did mention the episodes we did, including one covering his recent auction but I'm not quite sure he understood what I was talking about. Since I had been hearing talk about Alex saying he wanted to set the record straight on Edward's life, I was a little surprised at how much stuff in his book were not his actual words. Nonetheless I enjoyed it, heard a few things I had never heard before and finally got to meet my hero because of it. ruclips.net/video/0CCHRGwTN6A/видео.html
Thanks for your work on these amazing talks. Another great one!
Reading brothers Made me terribly depressed Because it really set in the reality that he's gone. 😥 RIP Edward Lodewijk Van Halen .
Right on Guys!! Most Excellent! Brad and Chris and Eric Rock!! Thanks so much!!!
Awesome stories. Love anything about The Greatest Band and Guitarist EVER!! EVH . Thanks for the memories… Awesome!!!
Great episode Jeff, good stuff
Yeah, that reverb on that first album… first few songs mainly, was what created that space. It just sounded so incredible, sitting at home listening.
Plus, I would listen to the album pretty often with headphones. Those big old giant 70s headphones. I would just lay down in front of the record player in our living room, eyes closed, listening to the album. And that tapping part of Eruption sounded just like raindrops all around me. With that delay and phaser. I didn’t know what was going on.
1:47:02 Dear God yes. That really struck me. She didn’t value her son’s talent enough and she would berate him with this thing that he was a ‘nothing nut like your Father’ …..to a sensitive kid that could do real damage.. Alex is right..What Brad also must remember is that in that era parents were much stricter and even violent to their children …But EDWARD LEARNED FROM HIS MOTHERS MISTAKES…To his ETERNAL credit 😔(Paul)
There's an element of punk in Van Halen 1
I think Alex’s retrospective on his relationship with DLR tended to vary according to the social politics of the time. And that is not a criticism of Alex….In Steve Rosen’s 1985 taped interviews Alex was very negative towards Roth after the split and also in 1996 when DLR was aggressive to his little brother towards whom he was understandably very protective. I think today Alex looks back on Roth in the band with a much greater sense of nostalgia because he remembers how much commonality of experience they shared with him when they were up and coming..This was also the case in 2012 when the brothers and Roth did those B&W interviews together. But recently Alex described another bust up in 2021 after Edward passed away when DLR refused to do a homage to his beloved brother. So it’s still back and forth without solidarity ,not because of Alex but because Roth has always thrived on conflict. I think Sammy was conspicuously missing from Alex’s book. There was only one disclaiming mention…At one point in it Alex writes ‘we knew a singer the name of which escapes me’ ….OUCH 😖 I think that is because Sammy wrote this unfortunate chapter in his book called ‘Crazy Eddie’ which was horribly inappropriate really. And to this day Alex is still very angry about it. Which is why he today doesn’t want to go into the Hagar era because he felt it was such a betrayal and he now sees DLR as the lesser of the two evils. But looking back there were some great creative times with Sammy too 😔☮️. (Paul)
“Heavy is the head that wears the crown”. The pressure to constantly "reinvent the wheel" really did a number on Ed. AND...without Dave Roth he had all of the creative pressure on him. Hagar put so little effort into lyrics that it drove Ed nuts.
You are right about Ed needing Dave to share the load. Dave drew from a huge wealth of influences not restricted to the music; something that gave the band a noticeable edge over their competition. They were a smart, talented, good looking band that would kick your butt.
With simpleton Hagar it's inarticulate, self-serious and "what will sell?"
No wonder bean-counter Hagar obsesses over numbers and chart positions.
RIP Quincy Jones. Announced the day this video was released but he actually passed yesterday 11.3.24. Another music legend gone! He was 91.
Quincy was a GENIUS. We will all miss him (Paul)
@@walterevans2118The man was a racist!!!
October 15 civic farewell show 77 the album came out Feb 78
Wasn’t that show a bootleg called die laughing ?
It's awesome that this show addresses this topic, the reception of Alex's book.
I read the book first and then listened to the audio book version. And, with that, I felt that the read only version was not nearly as revealing as the audio version. I first got the impression that Alex and Dave worked well together. But the audio version CLEARLY doesn't hide his disappointment toward Roth, especially the way Dave treated Edward.
I feel that Alex included Brad's/Chris'/Rosen's/Obrecht's words as a representation of Ed's " voice " for the book. Because, technically, Ed's voice was central for the aforementioned authors and their works ( Renoff's, Rosen's and Brad's/Chris' books are all outstanding ). Hopefully, when the paperback edition is being worked on, Alex should give full credit to these guys for their work.
As a result, I don't feel like Alex is done talking about his versions of the VH story. Harper Collins doesn't usually do one book style contracts ( they usually sign for two-three book contracts ). I think Alex will address the Hagar/Cherone/Wolf-Roth years eventually. In fact, I would add that Alex writing a book could be a unique/creative way to introduce other unfinished VH music.
Good discussions here, guys!
That’s very interesting ,,,thanks for this…. haven’t been able to hear the full audiobook version because it’s not available on CDs …only preview snippets. Yes, hearing Alex reading it you would get more of his emotional take than if you are reading the text off the page as I have….Yes, I had the impression there could be a post 1984 sequel to this great book but any barrier to it would be what Sammy wrote in his Red book which caused a huge fracture (Paul)
@@walterevans2118 I actually expected more " fracture " as well. But, Alex does give a huge shout out to Ed Leffler, toward the end. And Sammy is mentioned throughout the book ( albeit only a in a few places ). But, I don't feel Alex was really slighting against Sammy ( and he does praise Michael at one point ).
Alex was ALWAYS a " contrarian " if you will-He always seemed to say one thing then change his mind. So, in a way, Alex always seemed to be the argumentative one ( probably got it from his mother, naturally ). But, I would have loved more " in the studio " stories with Edward ( which we get with the 1984 album production ). I suppose we'll see what happens.
@@Jedizen07yes he did credit Ed Leffner didn’t he ? That would indicate that Alex saw his role in the VH story as a separate entity from Sammy himself . I think in the Ed Leffner era VH mk 2 was more ‘all for one and one for all’ than the ‘who is the band leader Ed or Sammy’ which came later with more controversial management. (Paul)
@@Jedizen07 yes, Alex told a lovely story about Mikey didn’t he ? The one about when he was lead vocalist in his old band how when they would play ZZ Top numbers Mike’s girlfriend Sue would come on stage and PINCH MIKEY’S NOSE so his voice would sound more like Billy Gibbons…lol. (Paul)
Mike became marginalised because of Ed and Alex’s fracture with Sammy where Mike went on the ex lead singers 2002 tour with Sammy. But I don’t think it was Mike ‘betraying’ anyone …It was Mike being frustrated that he wasn’t out there playing the material live…Which he loved to do. (Paul)
Ed ‘views on people imitating him’ changed over time (see his Smithsonian interview in 2015) I think by making guitar and amp manufacture innovations Ed was improving so much for other players .
1:48:53 - I have to disagree. There is an interview on RUclips of EVH, in his own words, where he explains that he found refuge in the guitar. That he felt lonely and rejected and would hide in his room, burying himself into the guitar.
He may have found joy in the guitar by 1995, but not in 1975.
RUclips prevents video links, but it is at this extension: FJTdXnBZNro
Starting around 24 minutes.
@@ThemFuzzyMonsters Yes I remember Edward in an interview with Lisa Robinson in 1984 talking about this. He said -‘This piece of wood I played could never hurt me’ contrasting interacting with his instrument with interaction with other people who had done harm to him like girlfriends or school bullies with racial discrimination or even his own Mother who was a very strong personality who would force him to practice piano and lock his guitar in a closet if he didn’t ..As a child Edward was clearly afraid of his Mother, more so than Alex because Ed was more sensitive…. Edward would also talk to Jas Obrecht about how he could express his emotions more though his guitar than out of his mouth with mere words,,,and in a recorded phone interview with Steve Rosen Ed wept when explaining how unfair it was that his Father had suffered as a great musician down the years by not getting the breaks and luck that his talent truly deserved. Ed was a sensitive creative soul set loose in an insensitive macho rock world he never made. And yet he had the power to change both it and his instrument by his talent and his vision. 😔 (Paul)
This is a 100 percent valid point, but, again, this particular quote “crying noise” quote from Ed was in a entirely opposite context when he originally told it to me. Ed was talking about how much his guitar playing annoyed his mother and how he couldn’t understand or accept that since he was enjoying making music so much and he thought his mother should be happy as well. It was more about him being frustrated that she couldn’t accept his talents on the guitar the same way she embraced his talents on the piano. Ed was merely referring to how she always described it as “that high crying noise” and in no way was he inferring that he was crying through his instrument. He was talking about playing guitar as his escape from the b.s. of his daily life and as a source of hapiness. That quote does indeed fit with the other scenarios as an expression of pain and is actually a good way to tie it in with Eugenia’s possible perception, but when he originally said it that was not the scenario he was explaining to me. Context.
Here is the full unedited quote as Ed told it to me, in 2013. He was talking about his Fender Bandmaster amp: "In the little house in Pasadena that I grew up in, my mom always hated what she called 'that high crying noise'-in other words, soloing. She’d always go 'Why do you have to make that high crying noise?' And I hated that she hated my playing so much, because it was one of the few things that made me happy. I was playing music, which is what she always wanted me and Al to do, so what the fuck was she complaining about? But what I actually think made her so unhappy was how loud I was playing." He then went on to explain how he discovered that he could plug the speaker cabinet into the Bandmaster's external speaker output and it would sound like a fully cranked up amp but really quiet. Context.
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I think the conversation got sidetracked into if “crying” was literal or not.
The question was originally aimed at EVH’s state of mind as a teen, and the panel missed discussing that topic.
He was not a happy kid. His parents were from the pre-rock & roll generation, came from other cultures, and he didn’t fit well in school. From that angst came a guitar virtuoso.
Thank you for your work. It is much appreciated.
I think Alex’s insights into Ed’s feeling pressure with the guitar hero press was very poignant and important. Alex’s up close take on this was that it was a great burden to Ed and that praise could even be a burden to a sensitive creative artist. Not just criticism. Alex said that Ed should have listened to his Father who said ‘don’t get locked into that’ ..Because it could build up and the way of ‘dealing with it’ would be to consume more and more alcohol and substances to blot it out. Alex also contrasted how with his beloved wife Stine unlike Edward he was able to pull out of the dive 😔. (Paul)
great content! @18:15 i've never had the impression that Ed was comfortable, welcomed, perpetuated or believed his status as what he came to be. this is certainly evident in the interviews he granted. one has to remember that "eruption" was never supposed to be committed to tape. I've always felt that he was in service to the song., his status, not so much. ya, mean streets, unchained, i'm the one, etc, etc, etc. featured some fantastic guitar playing but, they were also fantastic songs. that's why the stuff sold. the man should never have felt pressure to be spotlighted whether it was self-imposed or not. he probably felt fortunate that when inspiration struck, it sold you cannot force that shit. it'll piss me of if i learn he was pressured to do it again.. & again.... & again. Fame?, i'll take the cash, the spotlight? no, thanks!
Another reason 1984 sounds different and “cleaner,” as mentioned, is because they were in standard A tuning for the majority of it.
At 2:45:00 mark the topic of the 3 Fair Warning live song videos- the proof within the Unchained video that there IS more footage is the one moment in the song chorus where Ed is playing the Franky. Obvious editing mistake, but very telling of possibilities.
27:34 Well said
Maybe Alex meant that the amp at the Rose Palace was previously owned by Jimi.
1:15:50 Yes ,absolutely 😔
I like how he referred to the more casual Van Halen fans as, “the lowest common denominator.”😂
Shoot, there’s probably a lot more of them, than us! 😝🤘🏻🎸
But I know it’s hard to find the right words, or examples, sometimes. 🤘🏻😝🎸
Ed could have known Holdsworth back to Tony Williams Lifetime or his first solo album..Living in So Cal, it's possible he had more chance of exposure.
Let's do this! 1st! :)
So the Ghost writer clearly had limitations and what could be discussed, very controlled interview indeed
Ironically Hagar's book was shorter
Hagar updated his book for paperback with 10 additional pages ( now at 250 ). Alex now has the shortest ( at 240 ).
@@Jedizen07 Did Sammy update his book with 10 more pages ? ....Did he try to write new stuff to mend the gap between him & Alex ? It would be interesting to know what he specifically added . (Paul)
Looks like they think America's Sweetheart was a buzzkill! LOL!!
AVH did not want to talk to a Van Halen ologist, cause they weren't there, he was there 😂
Woah woah…isn’t Aftershock Van Hagar? 😳
Did Edward and Al's parents have any brothers and sisters?
"Greatest" is a ugly word when describing a guitar player! But there is no doubt that EVH was the most influencial guitar player ever! He influenced players from other styles not just rock or metal players.
He built 5150 cause he was tired of BIG BROTHER watching over him
He was on blow all the time. He asked.numorous people to sing in the band and asked numorous people to play in the band. People doing coke do that so asking to be in Kiss is just part for the course
People make love to Van Hagar? 😳
Dude lost control of this with his guests
I want AL to talk more about his sound, technique, and how he approaches songs.
AL did mess up a few dates.... he referenced Eddie's graduation picture quote.....and said it was 1963 instead of 1973.
C’mon guys,,,they were Ed and Alex’s memories, not the journalists they told them to…..lol
Not according to copyright laws. Like any laws, the finer details are open to interpretation but authors do consistently have copyright protection. In the strictest sense, quotes from an interview where the interviewee gives consent to be interviewed belong to the authors if they are printed in a copyrighted work, like a book. There's also an interpretation where the interviewer/author and interviewee own the copyright jointly. In that case, Ed could have done his own book using quotes from the published interviews that Brad and I did with him as long as we gave him our consent in return. The joint ownership interpretation is essentially like a partnership agreement.
There are several problems with the usage in Brothers of quotes by Ed, Steve Lukather, Tony Iommi, Mike Anthony, etc. that originally appeared in Eruption. The first is that Alex is not Ed, Luke, Iommi or Mike, so he has no rightful claim to ownership of their quotes. The proper and legal way that should have been handled by the ghost writer would have been for her to ask for clearance. However, fair use conditions are pretty loose, so she would have been fine by simply attributing the sources of those quotes in footnotes or a bibliography according to legal guidelines (title, author(s), publisher, year). Done. No money or fees even need to be paid. Just proper (and legally obligated) credit where credit is due.
The issue is not the "memories" but rather the wholesale word-for-word duplication of entire passages of text that previously appeared in a copyrighted source - about 4,000 words in this case (enough to fill an entire chapter). You are correct - journalists do not own a person's memories, but they do own (or share ownership) of the exact word-for-word text that depicts those memories. Alex and/or his ghost writer could certainly depict those same memories, and as long as the text was entirely different it would not be an issue. It is however a big issue when 100- to 200-word long passages are duplicated in their entirety without any attribution to the source. Alex (or anyone else for that matter) can use them, but they just have to attribute them. It's both the right and legally required thing to do. It's also why Harper-Collins (the publisher of Brothers) immediately agreed to correct and rectify the situation within 24 hours of being notified of the situation.
Here's a similar example to consider: Should the rights to a Neil Zlozower photograph of Edward Van Halen belong to Ed or Zloz? Copyright laws say that they belong to the photographer. By your argument, they should belong to Ed since it's his image. But copyright laws state otherwise. In this case, the photographer actually has more rights than historical/biography writers (a big part of the reason why I started shooting photos in addition to writing).
I hope this explains the situation more clearly.
@@professorgillsguitargearga6388 Well, ok ,,,,,yes..... this may be in the LEGAL sense but not in the MORAL sense. And the fact that the former supersedes the latter could only be happening in a society where EVERYTHING is commodify-able...Even memories & body parts... God help us all . 🤥😔 (Paul)
@@professorgillsguitargearga6388 In the case of a photograph I can see the ambiguity actually ....I appreciate you showing me details pointing out to me that its not as cut & dried as it seems (Paul)
@@walterevans2118Fair point, but . . . In the MORAL sense we paid writers whose interview content we used in the Eruption book (Steve Rosen, Vic Garbarini, etc.) and cleared their permission/consent witn them in the first place. Legally we had zero obligation to do that. We could have just used their content for free as long as we credited them, like dozens of other writers have done to Brad and me very, very often over the years. But Brad and I chose to do the right thing.
Keep in mind that Alex got paid a very generous 7-figure payment for this book, and his ghost writer certainly got a big 6-figure check as well. The least they (well, she really, as the bulk of the responsibility was her’s) could do when relying so heavily on the work and efforts of others before them is give credit where credit is due! That’s the MORAL thung to do. And it would have been nice for us to”Van Halen-ologists” to get a proper thank you rather than a dismissive, back-handed insult in the Author’s Note in the back of the book, particularly when a significant percentage of Brothers was derived from our work, reasearch, efforts and heavy lifting!
@@professorgillsguitargearga6388 well , yes I can appreciate that there is a moral aspect to ensuring that people who give information should be paid on a project but I was also talking about the morality referring to the idea of seeing everything in life as being reducible to a monetary value. I don’t really have enough information on Alex’s camp with regard to this to be in a position to make an informed evaluation on this to be honest so perhaps I shouldn’t comment on it 🤐😔 (Paul)
They did too much coke
Hagar still trashing Dave during Balance era is Hagar defined. Pathetic from a guy with Hagar's success.
Gill is pretty bitter too.
It is so very interesting how everyone is so afraid to criticize something they love. Sometimes it's deserved. Been a VH fan forever and it is simply exhausting 🥲
@ mikey. ya, i wouldve eventually resented having to do all the creating & then having committed to splitting it 4x ways. BUT, they were advised at the onset of their recording contract NOT to set it up that way, by ted templeman i think, they declined. time marches on, reality bubbles to the surface, the relations with mikey suffer, life goes on. wolfie's emergence probably expedited the dissolution as well.