Pauline Lol, the advertising algorithm is so damn weird. It's like it searches for keywords but doesn't take context into account at all, so a video about 'chest/breasts/boobs/whatever' will get random breast related ads even if it's the absolute opposite of what the video is about 😂 Like, I'm vegan and I have a lot of rescue chickens that I absolutely adore beyond belief, they're my pets, feather puppies, mini dinobirds, my floofbutts! I can post something on Instagram about my floofs and even use hashtags like #friendsnotfood #vegan #crueltyfreeliving etc, then open the app (or FB or YT or whatever else) soon after and find all these targeted ads for like, KFC and Wingblaster Fried chicken or Yardbird beer music and chicken wings joint... Targeted advertising *_FAIL!!_* Hahaha. I know that Google's algorithms can account for context to target an individual user so acutely that they can advertise baby stuff to someone before they themselves have even realized they're pregnant, so how the hell do they keep getting it so wrong as to advertise sexy bras on a top surgery video or fried chicken restaurants to a vegan person who just said that they would never eat chickens because chickens are their pets?? I swear they're not even trying anymore lol
@@Wades228 Honestly my recovery was really easy. But really prepare for the fact that pulling up ur pants after using the bathroom is gonna be really hard. Definitely something I did not expect. Also, find a way to make yourself comfy sleeping exclusively on your back. I slept very little that first week because I am *not* a back sleeper. Uh, have a comfy chair so that you can sit up some times and get loads of books and movies you like. I hope this helped? If you have any more specific questions feel free to ask!
@LittleCornMuffin thanks for the advice! I’m not a back sleeper as well so I’ll do my best to try and make myself like a nest of pillows or something, I’ll try and figure that one out. I was planning on my friends recommending books and just getting stacks of those to read. Also I was wondering what it was like with the drains in and what it was like removing them? That is what gives me the most anxiety in the world about top surgery, the drains. The evil looking drains
*"pineapple before, during and after [top surgery]"* "yeah doc, special request, but as you're performing the surgery i'll need you to literally feed pineapple to my unconscious body, thanks"
Oh my god, I remember seeing double mastectomy scars from cancer patients and thinking 'i wouldn't mind that.' I'm done trying to convince myself that it's a phase or that I've never had dysphoria. 😂
Same, even before I knew I was genderfluid. Before I knew I had dysphoria. Before I knew just how much I hated my breasts, I've always wanted to get some sort of breast reduction or something to get rid of them lmao.
Isnt it REAL WEIRD that in society boobs arnt aloud to be on display in public.. but then after top surgery the very same skin is totally fine for all to look at, even though the only thing that has changed is INSIDE THE BODY.. Like same skin, same nips, just no breast tissue INSIDE. Totally skrews with my head when you REALLYY THINK ABOUT IT :/
It's just the way it is. People, mostly men are sexually aroused by women's breasts. There's just something attractive about them. When you remove them, then there is nothing.
That's called gender disforforia people. Clowns 🤡 who are actually afraid to be a woman are exactly the kind of women that the good men out there in this world will never even consider dating.
I was at a non-binary meeting (despite being like 95% binary) and one person said they wanted to still wear sports bras after top surgery because they liked wearing a contrasting colours under tank tops.
I'm not trans, I just DESPISE the DD globs of fat that hang off my chest. I'm 50 and happy to be a Grandma🤗🤗🤗, so I'm not on T or anything. I fight the accursed chin hair daily. 🤣But these THINGS have been the bane of my existence for years. They interfere with everything. I happily intend to be single for the rest of my days, but I want to be able to look in the mirror and buy clothes without hating myself... This is great info, guys! Thank you!!! 🤗🤗🤗
Thank you! I am non binary, not on T and I will be having top surgery in a month. I am 65 and started talking to doctors about surgery 35 years ago. Then people were trans or got breast reduction, which I knew I didn't want. I changed my name 31 years ago so this feels like the final step in becoming my authentic non binary self. I think it is so great that you don't have to wait as long as I did. Thank you for being out there. I don't feel alone anymore.
I wore a cut off shirt that showed my scar on my sides to pride a few months after my surgery and immediately got ask if I had cancer. The person herself had had a mastectomy so that's why she asked but it was so discouraging especially at pride.
Imagine how discouraged she felt thinking she met someone who would relate to a traumatic battle she went through but instead someone who voluntarily chose to undergo major surgery
I don't normally engage with obvious transphobic people online but I genuinely don't care about anything you have to say after this and it's my day off so let's get into it. The lesbian who had came up to me to ask if I was also a survivor and I had a short but lovely and heartfelt conversation when I explained my situation. She congratulated me on my results, we commiserated over the length of our scars and she gave me tips on what to expect next while my chest continued healing. She, unlike you both, was not a transphobic POS. It was discouraging, not because I got misidentified as a cancer survivor or even as a girl. It was discouraging because I was excited and most likely had unrealistic expectations for the event. It was discouraging because I was at the very beginning of my transition and wanted my first pride post surgery to be perfect. But I forgot pride is never perfect because nothing ever is. I don't and would never blame that person for coming up to me. So with all due respect, get tf off my replies.
@@dontworryimfine1859 sorry that an average person with normal empathy would read your story and commiserate more with a cancer survivor. You’re very self absorbed
@@pearlpearl3806 Read over your comments again and tell me from an unbiased position that you're not being insensitive. You genuinely look absurd and like a fool. Grow up.
@@pearlpearl3806 I mean, the cancer patient had to willingly sign a paper to get their boobs removed, too. They can't do that without permission. By that logic, both people are terrible for willingly getting their boobs chopped off. That doesn't make sense.
This really helped. Even though it can trigger dysphoria, it helps to hear people talk about their own dysphoria because when you say ( x, y or z but this thing helped me see it differently) I go “well huh, thats a great way of looking at it”. The thing about both of you talking about peri vs double incision really helped ease my worries about the same thing. But even if I don’t qualify for it, I know so many others relate and I’m not alone
It makes me happy as an enby person to know I'm not the only one who likes their curves. I wanna get top surgery bc I'm SUPER dysphoric about my chest but I actually like how curvy n big my hips and butt are. In MY mind, having a curvy bottom half and flat top half will help with me looking more 'androgynous' and comfortable in my body.
I found this video as a resource for being non-binary and interested in top surgery. I'm super feminine, I absolutely do not want to go on T, but I've always wanted top surgery and am currently trying to navigate through getting the resources necessary to receive a diagnosis so I can *one day* be considered as a candidate for surgery. Seeing an open and positive dialogue between someone who is binary and non was incredibly helpful and I feel a lot more prepared when it comes to my expectations. Thank you both for doing this! 🥰
I'm in a really similar place. I enjoy looking super feminine, don't want to go on T, but at the same time I'm worried I won't be able to get the resources to receive a diagnosis as a result. I hope you were able to get what you needed friend!
The neck pillow thing is so real. I actually found it best to have 3 neck pillows, because they were perfect for keeping my arms in a comfy position whilst having to lie and sleep in an almost seated position for like a fortnight. Having the pillows stacked up so that my back, head, and chest were in the correct position made my arms just kinda dangle down by my sides in an uncomfortable way that hurt my back, pulled at my incisions, and made my drains feel even more annoying. So sticking a curved neck pillow under each arm was an absolute godsend in allowing me to just rest comfortably and in a good healing position, while not putting any strain on my chest/arms/upper body at all, and still leaving room for my drains to not get smooshed between my body and a pillow hahaha. Neck pillows _neck pillows_ *_neck pillows!_* Don't underestimate the power of pillows when recovering from top surgery!
I thought the pronouns were printed on Ash's shirt. I didn't realize they were pins. I love that idea! I love it so much I was distracted thinking about it instead of watching lol. Than you said "body painting party" and a whole new distraction grabbed hold of me. Thank you both for sharing your experiences and thoughts with us in making and sharing these collabs and all your content.
i love hearing how you prepared yourself emotionally for top surgery. i feel like the emotional toll of such a big surgery isn't talked about nearly enough so i'm so glad when i hear people bringing it to the forefront. yes top surgery is common but it's such a big deal and it's a lot to go through so having complex or even conflicting thoughts or feelings about it is ok! great work y'all!
I've totally had the thought that if I ever get top surgery, that I might occasionally where sports bras still, so hearing Ash say that made me excited!
I am rewatching this three month after my top surgery and this notion about "look post op depression in the eye and take it on (and maybe write a letter to yourself beforehand)" really stuck with me since I first watched this video. And of course I don't know how I would have felt without preparing for post op depression. But I am really thankful for having it on my mind and being ready for it. And then it never came.
I'm non-binary (but on T) and after 3 years of waiting I'm having top surgery in 8 days. I've watched so many top surgery videos, but this was the first that addressed the emotional experience of having a part of my body removed, even if it's something I want to have done to me... it's still a shock. And the idea to write myself a letter for after. I know I'll go to sleep and will be the same person when I wake up, but my body will change. And this experience will also change me over time. I'll never be able to come back to the body I have now (unless I had another surgery?) or not this exact body. Good job warning about the dysphoria about other body parts, I'll be prepared for that and any sadness that might come after. It's such an exciting thing, people don't think that they'll feel sad.
OH MY GOD THEY HAVE AN ANTI-NAUSEA THING?!?! That is one of the main things I was worried about...I have a huge fear of throwing up. Like it's not even funny it's ruining my life. It's gotten better but a lot of the time I'm thinking about throwing up and not throwing up and purposely avoiding not touching things, etc. To try not the throw up. So thanks for the info! :)
I'm also emetophobic and so scared of top surgery for that reason >///< I have a lot of friends who have had the surgery and did not experience much nausea and definitely none of them threw up. So that's good news for us!!
You and Ash both individually helped me to love myself over the years, so whenever you two collab I become inappropriately euphoric. Seriously, you're both the best!
That's called gender disforforia people. Clowns 🤡 who are actually afraid to be a woman are exactly the kind of women that the good men out there in this world will never even consider dating.
This video is a very big part of why I was able to accept that I am trans. Part of the reason I fought against the trans label was because I thought my Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome meant I couldn't transition. So finding out that I could get top surgery without T allowed me to finally apply the word transgender to myself. Of course some research showed that I have Partial AIS and can go on T, but until I could accept the trans label and come out, I didn't bother with that research.
Hi!! My top surgery is in 5 days, and I’m a non-binary person not on Testosterone! I’ve been taking notes on this video, so I can prepare properly!! Thank you so much for making this, this means the world to me!
15:00 this is very funny because I saw Ash and Grayson at the PTWC after Ash got her top surgery and they we're so excited to be like "look at my chest!! I can show you this now!!" and it was really heartwarming and adorable to see him so happy.
Thank you so much for making this guys. I've just came out as non-binary and hope to get a chest binder one day. My end goal is top surgery eventually. This has helped so much, even just thinking about binding.
That's called gender disforforia people. Clowns 🤡 who are actually afraid to be a woman are exactly the kind of women that the good men out there in this world will never even consider dating.
I'm genderfluid, not sure if I need hormones, and need top surgery. This makes me feel a lot better about where I am right now, and more confident in advocating for myself and what I need. Thank you
I had a breast reduction before I realized I was agender and what I was going through was dysphoria. I've read that I still can get top surgery, but I'm honestly worried about my scars that I already have.
You're probably going to be fine. It's your body, and if it's a change you want to make...then go for it. Doctors these days can do some really great things especially in terms of scars and revising them or removing them almost completely! You'd definitely want to find a specialist and see if it's safe for your body.
My bilateral mastectomy surgery for chronic breast pain is next week and this was very helpful! It wasnt centered around cancer...which is the majority of what ive found. Thank you both!!
Also, with the family thing!! Obviously my family hasn’t seen me naked since I was a baby, and since I was an H cup pre-op I covered myself with lots of layers of clothes so family, friends and strangers couldn’t see I had massive lumps on my chest. The second I got my reveal at my one week post op I was sharing the pictures with all my family (close family that is, don’t wanna give my nan a heart attack!), it’s such a weird sensation to overcome. I started growing breasts at 8 and so I haven’t been shirtless around anyone since then, and now I can sit in my post op binder with no shirt on (and when I’m cleaning my chest it’s total 100% shirtless-ness) and it takes some getting used to. I remember just sitting with my mum the other day watching tv while in my post op binder and I got the biggest hit of panic because “SHIT, WHY DONT I HAVE A SHIRT ON?!”, and took me a few seconds to remember that “wait! they’re gone! aha!”
FYI, for anyone who needs to hear this, it can be super helpful to just use your fingers to pull on things immediately post-op. The muscles controlling your fingers are in your lower arm and thus a lot less affected by surgery.
I didn't prepare for post surgery depression and it hit me HARD, identity crisis and all. Despite knowing I'm sensitive to stress and having been on antidepressants for 5 years. So please please please prepare yourself emotionally 💖💖 even if you think you're "safe" from it, because you can never know for sure.
Anesthesia nausea -- Term used in the US is PONV (Post-Operative Nausea and Vomiting), extremely common. A bunch of antiemetic options are available across several drug classes, discuss with doc & anesthesiologist before hand, read up on side effects, tolerance/addiction curve, etc… to find one which meets your needs.
Thank you for filming this ! This truly helped me in some of the questions and concerns I had for when I have top surgery in the future.Definitely gonna reference back to this video.Two of my favs ☺️💕 love you two so much and you’re big inspirations xoxo
Thank you so much for sharing. I’m going through reconstructive surgeries for burn scars currently on my chest and I feel these tips about waiting for it to totally heal before moving so you don’t stretch the skin will totally help me. Thanks for the post!
Oh god thank you SO MUCH for the tip on the anti nausea in the anesthesia... I’m emetophobic and I don’t feel like a lot of the community relates to that so I never see tips about this kind of stuff. You have no idea how much I appreciate that little thing, it will make all the difference. 💕💕💕💕💕
Today I learned there's a word for my phobia. I've had emergency surgery a few times. The first time I told my concerns to the surgeon, and he didn't do anything for me and I felt sick upon waking. The second time I learned that when the anesthesiologist comes to check on you, you need to tell them that you're concerned about nausea and they'll put a patch behind your ear that is typically used to treat seasickness. I've never had a problem since.
Button downs... OMG! I can't wear them because they don't fit with my large chest... That's going to bring me such joy while I'm feeling like crud during recovery.
Hi. I was wondering if you have advice for me. My daughter is 17, and told me she wants top surgery. I'm VERY supportive, and want to make sure I guide her the best way I can.
So they identify as your daughter and use she/her pronouns? Or do you mean your daughter is a trans girl and by top surgery she wants breast augmentation?
I am an outsider looking in on the subject. I have a friend who identifies as nonbinary and wants to get top surgery. I am trying to get educated on the subject to hold a conversation with them. I want to be supportive but I have a hard time getting past the physical changes they will be making to their body. Thanks for sharing your insight on the topic with others.
Thanks so much for this video. I learned a lot more useful info from you both than hours of watching medical lectures about the surgery ....I'm planning for Top Surgery next year!
I love this video, but it also makes me very aware of how unprepared I went into top surgery. I am really happy with how I turned out, but I can't shake the thought that I would've ended up with better scars and stuff if I had only taken better care of myself...
Question: Have you ever thought of getting a tattoo to cover the scars? I mean the kind that blend with your skin, not a design. (Have heard that there are tattoo artists that actually do this over scars or create nipples for mastectomy patients. Just curious.
This has been in my watch later since my freshman year, and now I'm only 1 year away from being old enough to get top surgery without my parents permission and both the passing time and the possibility feel so real and poggers :)
I've always had a loce/ hate relationship with my breasts. I developed early and I hated it!! I was just 10 when it started then 11 when I got my period!! Then after breastfeeding my daughter at 17..I wanted implants so bad! Even after breastfeeding I had these tiny boobs and I thought they were awful! I used to obsess about getting implants and wearing very padded and push up bras. When I became an exotic dancer I was very surprised, the #1 thing people would tell me was "leave your boobs alone! They are fine!" Now as I'm 39 and a 32 barley B cup...I couldn't be happier with my small, but perky little boobs. The way you feel about your body is going to change at many points in your journey. When you learn to love it, accept it, and appreciate what it's done for you...you are free of all of these feelings.
I’m also someone that’s super pasty pale, so it’s good to have that heads up that my scars are probably going to turn red occasionally!! I’m really not sure whenever I’ll be able to get my top surgery, but I hope I’ll be preparing soon!
The thing you said about wanting top surgery before you knew what it was, and thinking you wanted a breast reduction is literally how I realized I was trans. The more I thought about it the more I realized it's not cis to want to look like and be seen as a boy. I'd literally started talking about a breast reduction when I was 13 and got puberty.
I'm 2 1/2 weeks post top op at this time, thanks for this. Pillows, yes, a must. Button ups are a godsend, back scratcher also a must. So effin ecstatic the f's are gone. I had full on bilateral mastectomy and nip nop graft, and so far healing has been going good.
Another thing, usually 40-60% of people who get peri need a revision and they can't really move the nipples to a more "typically masculine" area on the chest.
Thank you so much for this video!! As a nb person not pursuing T, it is so so helpful to get info on top surgery from your variety of perspectives. Thank you Jackson and Ash!!
..... My mom said I'm to young for top surgery (15 years old ) and I hate myself so much I'm a trans man she thinks I'm impulsive ... But I have been wanting this since puberty and on top of that she's not going to pay for it and I don't know what to do I'm alone and scared. I wanted to at least start therapy but she still says no..
Bodies cannot be wrong. Puberty and adolescence are not easy, but neither your body nor you are wrong. Circumstances are difficult. The way society treats females is wrong. Sex-based stereotypes are a huge problem, but you do not have to conform to them and you do not even need a label or a special identity in order to be just yourself. You already are a free individual.
I didn't think of this until after I saw a lot of Ash's previous top surgery videos, but now I'm scared that if I get top surgery I will have a lot of dysphoria/the focus will shift to my hips and *especially* my stomach. Not that I have wide hips, but my chest definitely takes my attention away from feeling like my stomach is sticking out or that my hips are too big... does anyone have advice on this? Is this a sign I shouldn't get surgery, or should put it off for a few more years?
I had top surgery almost a year and a half ago now and I would say my dysphoria definitely shifted to my lower half after recovery. I was already very aware of my wide hips before but it's like I suddenly had nothing else to focus on anymore? I thought I looked disproportionate but I think it had more to do with the shock of such a huge change because now I'm not so focused on my stomach and hips. Now it only pops in my head when clothes shopping or when I'm nervous about going somewhere and worried about being "read" male.
It depends. I'd say it can definitely happen but for me it's more like...normal body dissatisfaction? Like, it's only 10-20% the pure, existential dread of being perceived as a woman due to those fucking growths on my chest but more like "Hmmm, Not a fan of being a chubby, bottom heavy guy. Really should try to change that". Which obviously isn't perfect but after disphoria it's a a huge relief. Even if it is, I'd say the same tactics (loose, oversized clothes) could also work to minimize your hips after surgery?
I'm still young so I haven't got any finalized plans with a surgeon for top surgery, but I'm hoping to get top surgery without being on T even though I'm trans-FTM. Thanks for so much information and answering a lot of the questions I personally have!
I'm non-binary and I really want top surgery. I don't care about having scars, but I wish I still feel the same when I touch my skin. I read some people say their niples lost part of the sensibility and I think it'd be weird
I really, really want to thank you for this video. I consider myself gender-fluid, and part of why I prefer that label instead of trans is because I have an intersex condition called Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome, which would make it pretty much impossible to transition. Until I saw this video, I never saw top surgery as an option, since I thought T was a prerequisite for top surgery. This video gave me something to think about in that regard. I may never be able to go on T (based on what I know of my own medical records, my body might even be producing as much testosterone as a normal healthy adult male and just not doing anything with it) or have bottom surgery (intersex children assigned female are given a clitorectomy in early childhood, so nothing there to build on), but maybe someday I might choose to have top surgery. Thank you Ash and thank you Jackson.
As a kid I use to fear boobs,and when it was finally that time when I started developing I tried to flatten them by literally punching myself in the chest
So I know it's not the same but I had a breast reduction a couple years ago, and literally TWO days after my surgery my mom wanted me to help clean out the whole garage. Like wtf :( So if anyone gets told that, don't do it, because I pulled some stitches and it was kinda terrifying
Ash is the perfect example of who I feel like I want to be and I’m enby and not on T and so badly want to get top surgery which is how I found this video but it’s nerve racking to realize how society is going to see me
Ash always helps me feel more valid! They are the person that actually helped me realize I wasn't trans even though I thought about top surgery. I found their videos and realized I am non-binary :) I accept all pronouns too!
I personally am so excited for scars because I think they look really cool and I just read Castle Swimmer (a webcomic about mermen. Most of them have scars all over their bodies).
Damn, I really wish I’d found this video pre-op. More-so the post op depression part; I’m 3 weeks post top surgery before and 100% believed I wouldn’t get post op depression as I was an H pre-op and knew I’d just be happy and that my (recovery) daily routine would be identical to my normal daily routine, but boy was I wrong! I got hit hard by it. I can’t wash my face by myself and it took 2 1/2 weeks to wash my face and it really got to me. I still can’t reach the top of my head to itch it, so lots of things have been affected by my surgery which caused my post op depression. If I ever have a revision I’m gonna take note of preparing for it and seeing if it goes away because I’m prepared. Thanks! (ps I’m super happy and my normal depression is 100% gone due to surgery and T, it’s just my first ever surgery and I clearly didn’t prepare enough)
Question: what makes someone a good candidate for a top surgery like double incision? I know the like “requirements” for keyhole/peri but what about double incision? thanks for this video btw!
Double incision can be done regardless of chest size. It is the only option for large chested people. Peri and keyhole tend to be for people with extremely small chests (Peri, you have to be an A cup or less, keyhole I think you have to be a B, C or less). But don't quote me on that. Peri and keyhole tend to look better (because the scars are around the nipples) but you aren't as flat. You can get flatter with double incision because there's a bigger area being opened, but the scars are bigger
So I'm gonna say some things I wish I knew before, but keep in mind I had periareolar and I live in Belgium so I'm just speaking from my experience. 1. All the youtube videos I watched had these reveals and so I thought I only got to see my chest a couple weeks post op but when I was in the awakening room just after surgery and I woke up my first instinct was to look at my nipples and I just did it. there were no bandages or anything so I could see everything. I only had to put two dressings and a binder on when I was in the recovery room with my mom. And even after that I was able to see my chest everyday because a nurse came to take care of it. 2. The first few days nothing was swollen, red or bruised but after a week the skin below my nipple started looking red and it hurt. I thought it was infected so we called the surgeon and I was immediately put on antibiotics and in the evening we went to see the surgeon but there were no signs of infection. He explained to me that they not only take away the mammary gland but also a ligament and that's what was causing the pain. He said that that was totaly normal. 3. Don't expect everything to look right the moment after your surgery. If you're like me you panic about every little change but the recovery takes up to three months, so before that don't worry to much about how it looks. 4. It's okay to take your binder off sometimes (if your surgeon told you so). The doctors did tell me that but I wanted to be safe and kept it on for two weeks before taking it off. Just take it off for like an hour and breathe. 5. This one won't be for everyone but it happened to me so it might happen to you too. My surgeon told me at first that I had to wear the binder for six weeks and I also couldn't exercise for that period of time. But after my consultation after my surgery he said that it was healing pretty well and said that I only had to wear it for four weeks :). I'm just saying this in case you like me are really not looking forward to wearing that thing for so long (mind you I had surgery in the summer, so not the ideal time to wear two layers). 6. Speaking of summer, don't be dumb like me and have your surgery in the summer when you have exams. I had surgery June sixth and my first exam was June seventh. I was able to post pone my exam but I still had to take an exam on June ninth. This put a lot of stress on me because I wasn't able to study much and I could barely get to my school. 7. If you had drains like me I'm just going to say it but that shit hurts so much to take out. I read somewhere that it feels tingly. It doesn't. I hurts so so much, but I found a trick to lesser the pain. Take a deep breath and when the nurse pulls it out you blow on the top of your hand. Also I thought the piece of drain that was in me was small but it's about as large as where it is put in you to your nipple. I don't want to scare anyone but I think it's better to know the truth than sitting in pain and complete shock after the first one and having to do a second. 8. Next the pain medication. Do not wait until you are in pain again to take your medication. Have a routine! That way you are never in pain :). 8. Lastly as I said I am pretty paranoid so I didn't move my arms for one bit during the healing process. So when I could move my arms above my shoulders again I wasn't able to because they hadn't moved for a month. You can't move your arms a lot but please do it a little bit, just make sure they don't go above your shoulders and you should be fine. Also when you can start moving a bit just take it slow like Cameron said in the video like for example don't start running right away but start with walking.
On the Internet I’ve seen that afab people who don’t take T and take top surgery can possibly regrow breasts to a certain degree because the body will regenerate breast tissue and I was curious if Ash could tell me their experience with this and whether it’s true?
Is there any version of top surgery that the scar goes all the way across? I'm not old enough for top surgery, but I really want top surgery, so I'm watching some videos on it. I'd rather the scars be all the way across than just two separate scars.
I googled top surgery a little while ago, and one of the first things I found was a list of all the types. There's "fishmouth" (I think that's the name) and it's one long scar that goes all the way across, starting in the middle on either side. I didn't prefer the look so I didn't go much deeper, but now you have a baseline to start your own research!
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There was a Bra ad on this video - Go Home YT, you‘re drunk.
Pauline Lol, the advertising algorithm is so damn weird. It's like it searches for keywords but doesn't take context into account at all, so a video about 'chest/breasts/boobs/whatever' will get random breast related ads even if it's the absolute opposite of what the video is about 😂 Like, I'm vegan and I have a lot of rescue chickens that I absolutely adore beyond belief, they're my pets, feather puppies, mini dinobirds, my floofbutts! I can post something on Instagram about my floofs and even use hashtags like #friendsnotfood #vegan #crueltyfreeliving etc, then open the app (or FB or YT or whatever else) soon after and find all these targeted ads for like, KFC and Wingblaster Fried chicken or Yardbird beer music and chicken wings joint... Targeted advertising *_FAIL!!_* Hahaha. I know that Google's algorithms can account for context to target an individual user so acutely that they can advertise baby stuff to someone before they themselves have even realized they're pregnant, so how the hell do they keep getting it so wrong as to advertise sexy bras on a top surgery video or fried chicken restaurants to a vegan person who just said that they would never eat chickens because chickens are their pets?? I swear they're not even trying anymore lol
I had an ad for a company that makes feminine hygiene products (pads, pantyliners, intimate wash(?) and wipes, etc.).
RUclips algorythim picks up the words "top" and "breast" or "chest" and decides someone needs a bra LMAO
I am getting an advert for workplace injury lawyer. Shoot, what type of workplace injury requires top surgery.
@@bryntendo yo yo fellow vegan :D
I'm literally 12 hours away from top surgery. I feel like I'm cramming for a test; marathoning all these videos.
1 month after, do you feel good?
I’m getting top surgery in December this year, do you have any tips from your recovery?
@@Wades228 Honestly my recovery was really easy. But really prepare for the fact that pulling up ur pants after using the bathroom is gonna be really hard. Definitely something I did not expect. Also, find a way to make yourself comfy sleeping exclusively on your back. I slept very little that first week because I am *not* a back sleeper. Uh, have a comfy chair so that you can sit up some times and get loads of books and movies you like. I hope this helped? If you have any more specific questions feel free to ask!
LittleCornMuffin my surgery is about 2 weeks away. How was the pain and managing it?
@LittleCornMuffin thanks for the advice! I’m not a back sleeper as well so I’ll do my best to try and make myself like a nest of pillows or something, I’ll try and figure that one out. I was planning on my friends recommending books and just getting stacks of those to read. Also I was wondering what it was like with the drains in and what it was like removing them? That is what gives me the most anxiety in the world about top surgery, the drains. The evil looking drains
*"pineapple before, during and after [top surgery]"*
"yeah doc, special request, but as you're performing the surgery i'll need you to literally feed pineapple to my unconscious body, thanks"
before anyone yells at me im joking thanks
kay ʕ ꈍᴥꈍʔ I laughed so hard at this
lmao
kay ʕ ꈍᴥꈍʔ lol
Lmao I love that
“Before I even knew I wanted top surgery I wanted a breast reduction” damn, they are hard core making a lot of sense rn
Oh my god, I remember seeing double mastectomy scars from cancer patients and thinking 'i wouldn't mind that.' I'm done trying to convince myself that it's a phase or that I've never had dysphoria. 😂
Blah Blah same
Same, even before I knew I was genderfluid. Before I knew I had dysphoria. Before I knew just how much I hated my breasts, I've always wanted to get some sort of breast reduction or something to get rid of them lmao.
this just hit me like a TRUCK
Right my mom got Brest reduction when I was around 10 or 11 and I wanted it then so ik it was telling me some🤣💯
Isnt it REAL WEIRD that in society boobs arnt aloud to be on display in public.. but then after top surgery the very same skin is totally fine for all to look at, even though the only thing that has changed is INSIDE THE BODY.. Like same skin, same nips, just no breast tissue INSIDE.
Totally skrews with my head when you REALLYY THINK ABOUT IT :/
Ya, it definitely is weird...
that's sexism babe
Oh yeah......
It's weird to think that's still a thing in the states. In canada some provinces it's legal to go topless in public.
It's just the way it is. People, mostly men are sexually aroused by women's breasts. There's just something attractive about them. When you remove them, then there is nothing.
If this was a tv show: "Get Titless."
*Scared Titless*
@@bingobongo9353 OHHHHH THAT'S A GOOD ONE
TITLESS HAHAHHA
That's called gender disforforia people. Clowns 🤡 who are actually afraid to be a woman are exactly the kind of women that the good men out there in this world will never even consider dating.
This was so lovely! This talk really helped me prepare 💗💗💗
I love you ash!! And can I also just say, YOU LOOK GREATTTT 😊😊
I am so happy for you! Thank you for sharing your story
Wow, I forgot you used to have boobs haha, Love you ash thank you for your all support, you are the only thing that gets me through each day 🏳️🌈🖤
are there any non-binary AMAB's who choose to get implants/estrogen that you know of?
YOU GO PAL!!! We love you
I was at a non-binary meeting (despite being like 95% binary) and one person said they wanted to still wear sports bras after top surgery because they liked wearing a contrasting colours under tank tops.
thats fASHIOM babEE
Sure. I can see that. It can totally be a fashion accessory.
Fair. Also what up with that 95%? That is really not it...
what do you mean 95% binary? if youre nonbinary youre nonbinary, no matter how you look.
@@v0id_d3m0n I guess more like binary but a little nonconformist
I'm not trans, I just DESPISE the DD globs of fat that hang off my chest. I'm 50 and happy to be a Grandma🤗🤗🤗, so I'm not on T or anything. I fight the accursed chin hair daily. 🤣But these THINGS have been the bane of my existence for years. They interfere with everything. I happily intend to be single for the rest of my days, but I want to be able to look in the mirror and buy clothes without hating myself... This is great info, guys! Thank you!!! 🤗🤗🤗
@Emmy stop being cringe and mind your business
Ha! I know that feeling. These things in the way of everything I do are one of the most annoying things ever !
Good for you :-)
And yet because we're not "trans" we aren't allowed to do anything about it - unless we get cancer. Then it's OK.
nice! i hope you'll be able to do that soon
Thank you! I am non binary, not on T and I will be having top surgery in a month. I am 65 and started talking to doctors about surgery 35 years ago. Then people were trans or got breast reduction, which I knew I didn't want.
I changed my name 31 years ago so this feels like the final step in becoming my authentic non binary self. I think it is so great that you don't have to wait as long as I did.
Thank you for being out there. I don't feel alone anymore.
That's wholesome! It must have been hard to grow up non binary back then... How did the surgery go?
I usually post and say NOOOO. However at 65, I say go for it.
@@Qwertygerty123what… what are you talking about…
@@diederdas27 Pretty sure it isn’t that complicated to understand what I said. If you’re entitled to an opinion surely I am too.
@@diederdas27I think they’re referring to the younger generations
I wore a cut off shirt that showed my scar on my sides to pride a few months after my surgery and immediately got ask if I had cancer. The person herself had had a mastectomy so that's why she asked but it was so discouraging especially at pride.
Imagine how discouraged she felt thinking she met someone who would relate to a traumatic battle she went through but instead someone who voluntarily chose to undergo major surgery
I don't normally engage with obvious transphobic people online but I genuinely don't care about anything you have to say after this and it's my day off so let's get into it.
The lesbian who had came up to me to ask if I was also a survivor and I had a short but lovely and heartfelt conversation when I explained my situation. She congratulated me on my results, we commiserated over the length of our scars and she gave me tips on what to expect next while my chest continued healing. She, unlike you both, was not a transphobic POS.
It was discouraging, not because I got misidentified as a cancer survivor or even as a girl. It was discouraging because I was excited and most likely had unrealistic expectations for the event. It was discouraging because I was at the very beginning of my transition and wanted my first pride post surgery to be perfect. But I forgot pride is never perfect because nothing ever is. I don't and would never blame that person for coming up to me.
So with all due respect, get tf off my replies.
@@dontworryimfine1859 sorry that an average person with normal empathy would read your story and commiserate more with a cancer survivor. You’re very self absorbed
@@pearlpearl3806 Read over your comments again and tell me from an unbiased position that you're not being insensitive. You genuinely look absurd and like a fool. Grow up.
@@pearlpearl3806 I mean, the cancer patient had to willingly sign a paper to get their boobs removed, too. They can't do that without permission.
By that logic, both people are terrible for willingly getting their boobs chopped off. That doesn't make sense.
Me
*has hated my chest since it started developing *
*does research 7 years later if I can chop em off*
*finds this*
•o•
This is old but samee
Literally me🤣
Literally me
This really helped. Even though it can trigger dysphoria, it helps to hear people talk about their own dysphoria because when you say ( x, y or z but this thing helped me see it differently) I go “well huh, thats a great way of looking at it”.
The thing about both of you talking about peri vs double incision really helped ease my worries about the same thing. But even if I don’t qualify for it, I know so many others relate and I’m not alone
Revisiting this video now that I'm FINALLY getting surgery in two weeks after being out for 7 years!
Proud of you!!!
I’m proud of you! You’re very strong!
It makes me happy as an enby person to know I'm not the only one who likes their curves. I wanna get top surgery bc I'm SUPER dysphoric about my chest but I actually like how curvy n big my hips and butt are. In MY mind, having a curvy bottom half and flat top half will help with me looking more 'androgynous' and comfortable in my body.
Yesss I'm the same! And I like what's in my pants already 😂
Omg same, curvy and flat chest. How I see myself in my brain but not my actual body sadly.
I found this video as a resource for being non-binary and interested in top surgery. I'm super feminine, I absolutely do not want to go on T, but I've always wanted top surgery and am currently trying to navigate through getting the resources necessary to receive a diagnosis so I can *one day* be considered as a candidate for surgery.
Seeing an open and positive dialogue between someone who is binary and non was incredibly helpful and I feel a lot more prepared when it comes to my expectations. Thank you both for doing this! 🥰
I'm in a really similar place. I enjoy looking super feminine, don't want to go on T, but at the same time I'm worried I won't be able to get the resources to receive a diagnosis as a result. I hope you were able to get what you needed friend!
This is two young women talking about sexually mutilating themselves.
jsuk, you can be fem and on T!
The neck pillow thing is so real. I actually found it best to have 3 neck pillows, because they were perfect for keeping my arms in a comfy position whilst having to lie and sleep in an almost seated position for like a fortnight. Having the pillows stacked up so that my back, head, and chest were in the correct position made my arms just kinda dangle down by my sides in an uncomfortable way that hurt my back, pulled at my incisions, and made my drains feel even more annoying. So sticking a curved neck pillow under each arm was an absolute godsend in allowing me to just rest comfortably and in a good healing position, while not putting any strain on my chest/arms/upper body at all, and still leaving room for my drains to not get smooshed between my body and a pillow hahaha. Neck pillows _neck pillows_ *_neck pillows!_* Don't underestimate the power of pillows when recovering from top surgery!
I thought the pronouns were printed on Ash's shirt. I didn't realize they were pins. I love that idea! I love it so much I was distracted thinking about it instead of watching lol. Than you said "body painting party" and a whole new distraction grabbed hold of me.
Thank you both for sharing your experiences and thoughts with us in making and sharing these collabs and all your content.
i love hearing how you prepared yourself emotionally for top surgery. i feel like the emotional toll of such a big surgery isn't talked about nearly enough so i'm so glad when i hear people bringing it to the forefront. yes top surgery is common but it's such a big deal and it's a lot to go through so having complex or even conflicting thoughts or feelings about it is ok!
great work y'all!
I've totally had the thought that if I ever get top surgery, that I might occasionally where sports bras still, so hearing Ash say that made me excited!
I am rewatching this three month after my top surgery and this notion about "look post op depression in the eye and take it on (and maybe write a letter to yourself beforehand)" really stuck with me since I first watched this video. And of course I don't know how I would have felt without preparing for post op depression. But I am really thankful for having it on my mind and being ready for it. And then it never came.
I'm not getting top surgery for another 8-ish months in May 2019, but I'm still preparing every day, mostly by getting pumped about it.
you have gotten top surgery by the time im commenting this so.. HOWS IT FEEL
How did the surgery go bro
I'm non-binary (but on T) and after 3 years of waiting I'm having top surgery in 8 days. I've watched so many top surgery videos, but this was the first that addressed the emotional experience of having a part of my body removed, even if it's something I want to have done to me... it's still a shock. And the idea to write myself a letter for after. I know I'll go to sleep and will be the same person when I wake up, but my body will change. And this experience will also change me over time. I'll never be able to come back to the body I have now (unless I had another surgery?) or not this exact body. Good job warning about the dysphoria about other body parts, I'll be prepared for that and any sadness that might come after. It's such an exciting thing, people don't think that they'll feel sad.
OH MY GOD THEY HAVE AN ANTI-NAUSEA THING?!?! That is one of the main things I was worried about...I have a huge fear of throwing up. Like it's not even funny it's ruining my life. It's gotten better but a lot of the time I'm thinking about throwing up and not throwing up and purposely avoiding not touching things, etc. To try not the throw up. So thanks for the info! :)
I was still very nauseated, even with it, but I didn’t throw up. A nurse fed me ice chips for a while and then I felt all better.
SAME, i have a really bad emetophobia ): that's the only thing that scares me about top surgery (or any kind of surgery)
I'm also emetophobic and so scared of top surgery for that reason >///< I have a lot of friends who have had the surgery and did not experience much nausea and definitely none of them threw up. So that's good news for us!!
Same. I think I have a phobia of vomiting.
I’m exactly the same
You and Ash both individually helped me to love myself over the years, so whenever you two collab I become inappropriately euphoric. Seriously, you're both the best!
I'm proud of anyone with scars because they have made a huge step in their journey of loving themselves
That's called gender disforforia people. Clowns 🤡 who are actually afraid to be a woman are exactly the kind of women that the good men out there in this world will never even consider dating.
This video is a very big part of why I was able to accept that I am trans. Part of the reason I fought against the trans label was because I thought my Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome meant I couldn't transition. So finding out that I could get top surgery without T allowed me to finally apply the word transgender to myself. Of course some research showed that I have Partial AIS and can go on T, but until I could accept the trans label and come out, I didn't bother with that research.
I’m having top surgery in a week and I’m stressing way more than I probably should over whether or not I’ll be able to put my lip ring back in xD
I'm not considering top surgery, and I'm not trans or non-binary but I love this two human beings so much that I watched the whole thing
Hi!! My top surgery is in 5 days, and I’m a non-binary person not on Testosterone! I’ve been taking notes on this video, so I can prepare properly!! Thank you so much for making this, this means the world to me!
15:00 this is very funny because I saw Ash and Grayson at the PTWC after Ash got her top surgery and they we're so excited to be like "look at my chest!! I can show you this now!!" and it was really heartwarming and adorable to see him so happy.
Thank you so much for making this guys. I've just came out as non-binary and hope to get a chest binder one day. My end goal is top surgery eventually. This has helped so much, even just thinking about binding.
That's called gender disforforia people. Clowns 🤡 who are actually afraid to be a woman are exactly the kind of women that the good men out there in this world will never even consider dating.
I'm genderfluid, not sure if I need hormones, and need top surgery. This makes me feel a lot better about where I am right now, and more confident in advocating for myself and what I need. Thank you
Always love information about top surgery
I had a breast reduction before I realized I was agender and what I was going through was dysphoria. I've read that I still can get top surgery, but I'm honestly worried about my scars that I already have.
You're probably going to be fine. It's your body, and if it's a change you want to make...then go for it. Doctors these days can do some really great things especially in terms of scars and revising them or removing them almost completely! You'd definitely want to find a specialist and see if it's safe for your body.
i'm getting top surgery in like 3 months!! i'm so excited
Watching this as a nonbinary person in 2020 gives me hope that maybe I'll finally be able to get top surgery one day.
2 months from top surgery and binging all these videos!!!
My bilateral mastectomy surgery for chronic breast pain is next week and this was very helpful! It wasnt centered around cancer...which is the majority of what ive found. Thank you both!!
how did it go? hopefully we’ll :)
@@itsmexoxurmom insurance fighting it... Pending 😞
Also, with the family thing!! Obviously my family hasn’t seen me naked since I was a baby, and since I was an H cup pre-op I covered myself with lots of layers of clothes so family, friends and strangers couldn’t see I had massive lumps on my chest. The second I got my reveal at my one week post op I was sharing the pictures with all my family (close family that is, don’t wanna give my nan a heart attack!), it’s such a weird sensation to overcome.
I started growing breasts at 8 and so I haven’t been shirtless around anyone since then, and now I can sit in my post op binder with no shirt on (and when I’m cleaning my chest it’s total 100% shirtless-ness) and it takes some getting used to.
I remember just sitting with my mum the other day watching tv while in my post op binder and I got the biggest hit of panic because “SHIT, WHY DONT I HAVE A SHIRT ON?!”, and took me a few seconds to remember that “wait! they’re gone! aha!”
After several years of wanting top surgery I was finally approved
congratulations!!!!!!!
FYI, for anyone who needs to hear this, it can be super helpful to just use your fingers to pull on things immediately post-op. The muscles controlling your fingers are in your lower arm and thus a lot less affected by surgery.
I have top surgery in 6 days I'm super excited but also pretty nervous but I'm glad I have videos like these to help me prepare
I didn't prepare for post surgery depression and it hit me HARD, identity crisis and all. Despite knowing I'm sensitive to stress and having been on antidepressants for 5 years. So please please please prepare yourself emotionally 💖💖 even if you think you're "safe" from it, because you can never know for sure.
Anesthesia nausea -- Term used in the US is PONV (Post-Operative Nausea and Vomiting), extremely common.
A bunch of antiemetic options are available across several drug classes, discuss with doc & anesthesiologist before hand, read up on side effects, tolerance/addiction curve, etc… to find one which meets your needs.
Was figuring getting frozen food to have things stocked post op. Didnt even think about not being able to reach to get stuff out.
Thank you for filming this ! This truly helped me in some of the questions and concerns I had for when I have top surgery in the future.Definitely gonna reference back to this video.Two of my favs ☺️💕 love you two so much and you’re big inspirations xoxo
Thank you so much for sharing. I’m going through reconstructive surgeries for burn scars currently on my chest and I feel these tips about waiting for it to totally heal before moving so you don’t stretch the skin will totally help me. Thanks for the post!
Oh god thank you SO MUCH for the tip on the anti nausea in the anesthesia... I’m emetophobic and I don’t feel like a lot of the community relates to that so I never see tips about this kind of stuff. You have no idea how much I appreciate that little thing, it will make all the difference. 💕💕💕💕💕
Same!! I have a really bad emetophobia, it's the only thing that scares me about top surgery (or any kind of surgery) :(
SAME
Today I learned there's a word for my phobia.
I've had emergency surgery a few times. The first time I told my concerns to the surgeon, and he didn't do anything for me and I felt sick upon waking. The second time I learned that when the anesthesiologist comes to check on you, you need to tell them that you're concerned about nausea and they'll put a patch behind your ear that is typically used to treat seasickness. I've never had a problem since.
Ooh yay the hates not here yet
Yesss....
Button downs... OMG! I can't wear them because they don't fit with my large chest... That's going to bring me such joy while I'm feeling like crud during recovery.
Hi. I was wondering if you have advice for me. My daughter is 17, and told me she wants top surgery. I'm VERY supportive, and want to make sure I guide her the best way I can.
So they identify as your daughter and use she/her pronouns? Or do you mean your daughter is a trans girl and by top surgery she wants breast augmentation?
Torrin Ashley, some cis women get top surgery as well, whether it be a breast augmentation or a mastectomy.
@@torrinashley6076 I’m a cis female but I want top surgery. Some women such as I just really hate our chest and want it gone
@@fireruby1882 Okay. But don't call it top surgery. That operation is exclusively for trans masc people
@@schwaj Not without gender dysphoria. Which trans people have. If a cis woman removes her chest for cancer reasons, it's not top surgery
Two of my favs! 😍 I really hope I can get top surgery one day 🙌
Watched this 2 years ago when it came out. Watching it again today, 12 days away from surgery! 💕
Happy pride months btw!!
I am an outsider looking in on the subject. I have a friend who identifies as nonbinary and wants to get top surgery. I am trying to get educated on the subject to hold a conversation with them. I want to be supportive but I have a hard time getting past the physical changes they will be making to their body. Thanks for sharing your insight on the topic with others.
Thanks so much for this video. I learned a lot more useful info from you both than hours of watching medical lectures about the surgery ....I'm planning for Top Surgery next year!
I love this video, but it also makes me very aware of how unprepared I went into top surgery. I am really happy with how I turned out, but I can't shake the thought that I would've ended up with better scars and stuff if I had only taken better care of myself...
SAME!
Im getting surgery in december of this year (2024) and this video helped so much!
Question: Have you ever thought of getting a tattoo to cover the scars? I mean the kind that blend with your skin, not a design. (Have heard that there are tattoo artists that actually do this over scars or create nipples for mastectomy patients. Just curious.
This has been in my watch later since my freshman year, and now I'm only 1 year away from being old enough to get top surgery without my parents permission and both the passing time and the possibility feel so real and poggers :)
You do not need a breast amputation because there is nothing wrong with your body. Society is at fault for its treatment of females.
I've always had a loce/ hate relationship with my breasts. I developed early and I hated it!! I was just 10 when it started then 11 when I got my period!! Then after breastfeeding my daughter at 17..I wanted implants so bad! Even after breastfeeding I had these tiny boobs and I thought they were awful! I used to obsess about getting implants and wearing very padded and push up bras. When I became an exotic dancer I was very surprised, the #1 thing people would tell me was "leave your boobs alone! They are fine!" Now as I'm 39 and a 32 barley B cup...I couldn't be happier with my small, but perky little boobs.
The way you feel about your body is going to change at many points in your journey. When you learn to love it, accept it, and appreciate what it's done for you...you are free of all of these feelings.
I’m also someone that’s super pasty pale, so it’s good to have that heads up that my scars are probably going to turn red occasionally!! I’m really not sure whenever I’ll be able to get my top surgery, but I hope I’ll be preparing soon!
The thing you said about wanting top surgery before you knew what it was, and thinking you wanted a breast reduction is literally how I realized I was trans. The more I thought about it the more I realized it's not cis to want to look like and be seen as a boy. I'd literally started talking about a breast reduction when I was 13 and got puberty.
I'm 2 1/2 weeks post top op at this time, thanks for this. Pillows, yes, a must. Button ups are a godsend, back scratcher also a must. So effin ecstatic the f's are gone. I had full on bilateral mastectomy and nip nop graft, and so far healing has been going good.
yo! the anti nausea thing is really helpful!! i had no idea you could do that, thank you 🙏🏼
Another thing, usually 40-60% of people who get peri need a revision and they can't really move the nipples to a more "typically masculine" area on the chest.
helpful information, happy we have this recourse
Thank you so much for this video!! As a nb person not pursuing T, it is so so helpful to get info on top surgery from your variety of perspectives. Thank you Jackson and Ash!!
I feel like I am finally ready for this step. I cannot wait! Thank you for making this video and Ash is so lovely!
..... My mom said I'm to young for top surgery (15 years old ) and I hate myself so much I'm a trans man she thinks I'm impulsive ... But I have been wanting this since puberty and on top of that she's not going to pay for it and I don't know what to do I'm alone and scared. I wanted to at least start therapy but she still says no..
Bodies cannot be wrong. Puberty and adolescence are not easy, but neither your body nor you are wrong. Circumstances are difficult. The way society treats females is wrong. Sex-based stereotypes are a huge problem, but you do not have to conform to them and you do not even need a label or a special identity in order to be just yourself. You already are a free individual.
when they said they’ve envisioned his chest being a certain way after surgery and being scared it’s not gonna be exactly the same… relatable as hell
My surgery is tmrw I’m just vibing :))
how did it go 🤔
Could you do a video on everything about your first binder
Like this? ruclips.net/video/uavSjAcPGBQ/видео.html
8:04 you got shy scars who blush
(insert image of a cute torso with the rosy cheek-scars)
Getting top surgery in a week, hope mine looks how im visioning it to. Love u Ash ❤
Don't do it!!!!!
How'd it go? :)
I didn't think of this until after I saw a lot of Ash's previous top surgery videos, but now I'm scared that if I get top surgery I will have a lot of dysphoria/the focus will shift to my hips and *especially* my stomach. Not that I have wide hips, but my chest definitely takes my attention away from feeling like my stomach is sticking out or that my hips are too big... does anyone have advice on this? Is this a sign I shouldn't get surgery, or should put it off for a few more years?
I had top surgery almost a year and a half ago now and I would say my dysphoria definitely shifted to my lower half after recovery. I was already very aware of my wide hips before but it's like I suddenly had nothing else to focus on anymore? I thought I looked disproportionate but I think it had more to do with the shock of such a huge change because now I'm not so focused on my stomach and hips. Now it only pops in my head when clothes shopping or when I'm nervous about going somewhere and worried about being "read" male.
It depends.
I'd say it can definitely happen but for me it's more like...normal body dissatisfaction?
Like, it's only 10-20% the pure, existential dread of being perceived as a woman due to those fucking growths on my chest but more like "Hmmm, Not a fan of being a chubby, bottom heavy guy. Really should try to change that".
Which obviously isn't perfect but after disphoria it's a a huge relief.
Even if it is, I'd say the same tactics (loose, oversized clothes) could also work to minimize your hips after surgery?
I'm still young so I haven't got any finalized plans with a surgeon for top surgery, but I'm hoping to get top surgery without being on T even though I'm trans-FTM. Thanks for so much information and answering a lot of the questions I personally have!
Hope you're still doing well!
I'm non-binary and I really want top surgery. I don't care about having scars, but I wish I still feel the same when I touch my skin. I read some people say their niples lost part of the sensibility and I think it'd be weird
truly peak timing for this, my surgery is a week today lol. excellent video. thanks so much
I really, really want to thank you for this video. I consider myself gender-fluid, and part of why I prefer that label instead of trans is because I have an intersex condition called Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome, which would make it pretty much impossible to transition. Until I saw this video, I never saw top surgery as an option, since I thought T was a prerequisite for top surgery. This video gave me something to think about in that regard. I may never be able to go on T (based on what I know of my own medical records, my body might even be producing as much testosterone as a normal healthy adult male and just not doing anything with it) or have bottom surgery (intersex children assigned female are given a clitorectomy in early childhood, so nothing there to build on), but maybe someday I might choose to have top surgery. Thank you Ash and thank you Jackson.
Getting top surgery in a week, this really helped❤️❤️
I get top surgery in 2 days!!! I'm so excited! (And I can't wait to have my battle scars!)
As a kid I use to fear boobs,and when it was finally that time when I started developing I tried to flatten them by literally punching myself in the chest
Kaka-kawaii Neko
Same
OUCH-
Same actually 😅
The conversation in this video was really great!
So I know it's not the same but I had a breast reduction a couple years ago, and literally TWO days after my surgery my mom wanted me to help clean out the whole garage. Like wtf :(
So if anyone gets told that, don't do it, because I pulled some stitches and it was kinda terrifying
I dont think i even want a "male" chest, I just want a chest where i dont hve to care abt covering it up
Two of my favorite lgbt youtubers in one video yay
Ash is the perfect example of who I feel like I want to be and I’m enby and not on T and so badly want to get top surgery which is how I found this video but it’s nerve racking to realize how society is going to see me
Ash always helps me feel more valid! They are the person that actually helped me realize I wasn't trans even though I thought about top surgery. I found their videos and realized I am non-binary :) I accept all pronouns too!
I’m still a couple of years away from top surgery but I don’t know how I’m going to survive, I live in pullover hoodies 😂 😭
You are going to survive just fine and statistically there is a very good chance that your possible gender dysphoria goes away without transition.
Question for both of you: how long did you bind before getting surgery?
*aggressively takes notes*
Having surgery in two months and this is so helpful! Thank you so much! :D
I personally am so excited for scars because I think they look really cool and I just read Castle Swimmer (a webcomic about mermen. Most of them have scars all over their bodies).
Omg I’m getting top surgery literally a month from now. Yes.
Omg good luck!
Damn, I really wish I’d found this video pre-op. More-so the post op depression part; I’m 3 weeks post top surgery before and 100% believed I wouldn’t get post op depression as I was an H pre-op and knew I’d just be happy and that my (recovery) daily routine would be identical to my normal daily routine, but boy was I wrong! I got hit hard by it. I can’t wash my face by myself and it took 2 1/2 weeks to wash my face and it really got to me. I still can’t reach the top of my head to itch it, so lots of things have been affected by my surgery which caused my post op depression. If I ever have a revision I’m gonna take note of preparing for it and seeing if it goes away because I’m prepared. Thanks!
(ps I’m super happy and my normal depression is 100% gone due to surgery and T, it’s just my first ever surgery and I clearly didn’t prepare enough)
Question: what makes someone a good candidate for a top surgery like double incision? I know the like “requirements” for keyhole/peri but what about double incision? thanks for this video btw!
Double incision can be done regardless of chest size. It is the only option for large chested people. Peri and keyhole tend to be for people with extremely small chests (Peri, you have to be an A cup or less, keyhole I think you have to be a B, C or less). But don't quote me on that. Peri and keyhole tend to look better (because the scars are around the nipples) but you aren't as flat. You can get flatter with double incision because there's a bigger area being opened, but the scars are bigger
Thanks for sharing all this information.
I start to prepare myself to get my top surgery and I am so scared but this helps so much. thank you
So I'm gonna say some things I wish I knew before, but keep in mind I had periareolar and I live in Belgium so I'm just speaking from my experience.
1. All the youtube videos I watched had these reveals and so I thought I only got to see my chest a couple weeks post op but when I was in the awakening room just after surgery and I woke up my first instinct was to look at my nipples and I just did it. there were no bandages or anything so I could see everything. I only had to put two dressings and a binder on when I was in the recovery room with my mom. And even after that I was able to see my chest everyday because a nurse came to take care of it.
2. The first few days nothing was swollen, red or bruised but after a week the skin below my nipple started looking red and it hurt. I thought it was infected so we called the surgeon and I was immediately put on antibiotics and in the evening we went to see the surgeon but there were no signs of infection. He explained to me that they not only take away the mammary gland but also a ligament and that's what was causing the pain. He said that that was totaly normal.
3. Don't expect everything to look right the moment after your surgery. If you're like me you panic about every little change but the recovery takes up to three months, so before that don't worry to much about how it looks.
4. It's okay to take your binder off sometimes (if your surgeon told you so). The doctors did tell me that but I wanted to be safe and kept it on for two weeks before taking it off. Just take it off for like an hour and breathe.
5. This one won't be for everyone but it happened to me so it might happen to you too. My surgeon told me at first that I had to wear the binder for six weeks and I also couldn't exercise for that period of time. But after my consultation after my surgery he said that it was healing pretty well and said that I only had to wear it for four weeks :). I'm just saying this in case you like me are really not looking forward to wearing that thing for so long (mind you I had surgery in the summer, so not the ideal time to wear two layers).
6. Speaking of summer, don't be dumb like me and have your surgery in the summer when you have exams. I had surgery June sixth and my first exam was June seventh. I was able to post pone my exam but I still had to take an exam on June ninth. This put a lot of stress on me because I wasn't able to study much and I could barely get to my school.
7. If you had drains like me I'm just going to say it but that shit hurts so much to take out. I read somewhere that it feels tingly. It doesn't. I hurts so so much, but I found a trick to lesser the pain. Take a deep breath and when the nurse pulls it out you blow on the top of your hand. Also I thought the piece of drain that was in me was small but it's about as large as where it is put in you to your nipple. I don't want to scare anyone but I think it's better to know the truth than sitting in pain and complete shock after the first one and having to do a second.
8. Next the pain medication. Do not wait until you are in pain again to take your medication. Have a routine! That way you are never in pain :).
8. Lastly as I said I am pretty paranoid so I didn't move my arms for one bit during the healing process. So when I could move my arms above my shoulders again I wasn't able to because they hadn't moved for a month. You can't move your arms a lot but please do it a little bit, just make sure they don't go above your shoulders and you should be fine. Also when you can start moving a bit just take it slow like Cameron said in the video like for example don't start running right away but start with walking.
On the Internet I’ve seen that afab people who don’t take T and take top surgery can possibly regrow breasts to a certain degree because the body will regenerate breast tissue and I was curious if Ash could tell me their experience with this and whether it’s true?
Is there any version of top surgery that the scar goes all the way across? I'm not old enough for top surgery, but I really want top surgery, so I'm watching some videos on it. I'd rather the scars be all the way across than just two separate scars.
I googled top surgery a little while ago, and one of the first things I found was a list of all the types.
There's "fishmouth" (I think that's the name) and it's one long scar that goes all the way across, starting in the middle on either side. I didn't prefer the look so I didn't go much deeper, but now you have a baseline to start your own research!
Someone's Side Channel thank you so much!! I will definitely do some research on it now! This was so helpful!
@@rredmc np~
Good luck