Why Aren't These Pokemon In HeartGold and SoulSilver?
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- Опубликовано: 24 авг 2024
- Pokemon HeartGold and Soulsilver may just be the perfect games. This little blip involving Leafeon and Glaceons availability was only shown to me recently and I had no idea they weren't in the game- but even this makes sense! it sort of works in a way considering that most people had or have one of Pokemon Diamond, Pokemon Pearl, or Pokemon Platinum. Leafeon and Glaceon are incredible Pokemon, but we are going to have to trade in this one instance
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my favorite is also glaceon and / or leafeon, that's the best one obviously
Glaceon looks badass
@@juandiegorojas664 I think glaceon looks cute. I always try to get a female eevee to turn into glaceon. 😅
glaceon she carried my shinno team
Glaceon’s my 4th favorite mon & 2nd favorite eevee evo for a reason
I recently played through platinum for the first time ever and let me tell you. Eevee struggles in the last stages before the Icy Rock. It's SO late in the game why can't they just evolve with Leaf Stones/Ice Stones or whatever
The reason they didn't add the Rocks for Eevee to evolve is because, if they did, you could evolve into Glaceon before evolving into Leafeon, and Game Freak's favourite passtime is fucking over Glaceon fans
They could have still put the Icy Rock in Cerulean Cave (just after Mewtwo ofc)
I was thinking the Seafoam Islands would be a suitable contender@@shytendeakatamanoir9740
wow you got me pissed for you, this comment is awesome
More like fucking over ice type fans.
Gen 1: Seafoam Islands, can get Lapras Early
Gen 2: Ice path, Lapras only on Fridays
Gen 3: Shoal Cave, before the 7th gym
Gen 4: Route 216, before 7th gym
Gen 5: Twist mountain RIGHT AFTER the flying gym in BW, in BW2 you can't get a single Ice type to fight the dragon gym with
Why does this feel like a hidden bonus type in like every game
@@radaf4429technically in gen 1 you could get ice type much faster, just get poliwag after you get good rod, then evolve it to poliwhirl, then trade it for jynx in cerulean, but i got your point
Don't forget Magneton not being able to evolve into Magnezone due to there being no magnetic areas for it to evolve in
dang that's nuts too! that one just seems obtuse, surely somewhere in johto has that sweet electromagnetism
@@droomish1 They could have had it level up near golden rod city. Dang.
@@droomish1 there is literally a power plant, with zapdos right by it. I imagine it would have enough electric currents evolve magneton and nosepass
They got lazy I guess. I'm playing an Emerald hack and these electromagnetic Pokes evolve in New Mauville.
They got lazy I guess. I'm playing an Emerald hack and these electromagnetic Pokes evolve in New Mauville.
The Hoenn remakes are the only remakes where one can evolve all the eeveelutions at the time they were made. The irony is that Hoenn is the only one of the four regions to not have Eevee be native to the land.
This is why I've always preferred ORAS over HGSS, HGSS was weirdly stingy with the evolutions, ORAS lets you get them before the League just fine.
Aren’t you able to Dexnav for Eevee in ORAS though?
Yes. It becomes available after defeating Groudon/Kyogre, and can be DexNaved on Route 116. It's the only game in the series where all 8 of Eevee's evolutions are accessible at the same time before the Pokemon League, since the Moss Rock is in Petalburg Woods and the Ice Rock is in Shoal Cave which you can access at this point.
@@mattybutler1985 also ORAS are just plain better games than HGSS
I'm pretty sure most pokemon games let you evolve all the eeveelutions...
don't forget adding an entire new area where you can catch Misdreavous but still not giving us a Dusk Stone until post game
and murkrow-chan
Also Murkrow and Houndour still can’t be obtained before postgame unless you have the Pokewalker
@@Finchyay not true. Murkrow gets the same treatment as Misdreavous
The johto remakes are awful for stone-evolution pokemon in general. So many good ones, but AFAIK you can't get any of the non-moon stones at all until reaching kanto/getting the natdex unless your mother happens to buy the one you want randomly (or possibly from certain trainer's phone call gifts; not sure if those are locked behind the natdex)
@@Zeppongola You can get evolution stones and some items from the Pokeathlon prize corner, though it does rotate daily
It wasn't just the sinnoh eeveelutions.
For some ungodly reason thought it was a _good_ idea to roadblock probopass and magnezone, despite magneton being in the johto dex and perfect use for it in the KANTO POWER PLANT
Its likely to sell more games by requiring d/p/p
@@eightcoins4401well that clearly shouldn't have been the case people complained how it wasn't cool how tangrowth required a ds lite and a copy of firered or leafgreen, or worse case scenario a copy of xd Gameboy advance and a link cable
battle revolution music is so underrated, thanks for the burst of nostalgia droom
it is their GOAT ost for sure
"SET ABLAZE BY SACRED FIRE!!"
Ever since BW, GameFreak realized that every region from that point will need to have an icy rock, a mossy rock, and a special magnetic field to support the evolutions that need them.
But they decided they don't want location-based evolutions anymore from Gen 8 onwards. (But for some reason, Runerigus is a thing. Somebody thought of Runerigus' evolution method and actually thought that's a good idea and somebody approved it to actually be in the game.)
Also, they decided to make Galar and Paldea the regions with the most expansive open areas where location-based evolution methods would have made the most sense.
Them adding the ice stone for glaceon, but made runerigus so complicated. its not like cursola or mr mime evolves in a weird way. even farfetch'd evolves by doing something that is pretty likely to happen naturally.
@@waterierStone not even that complicated, use focused sash on a yamask that has 50 HP and go under a big stone oh wow so hard
runerigus has a very dangerous name
@@joeyst.laurent1987in a normal playthings you would almost never have that happen naturally because it is out of the way and complicated. Just because it CAN be easy to do doesn't mean it isn't complicated dude lol
@@Pecorineenjoyer ya sure naturally but alot pokemon evolutions aren't natural, and you would have to look it up anyways unless they implemented something where they tell u during the game then none will be natural I have never naturally evolved a pokemon unless it was a normal lv evolution, like my first playthrough with kadabra I didn't know u had to trade it to evolve it till I beat the game n then looked it up lol
Right, and the lore about Espeon and Umbreon being unknown until Gen 2 is that the Earth hadn't started rotating yet?
I assume a new genetic mutation since Eevees DNA is so weird. See also Sylveon for this answer
Well, did you have day and night in RBY?
Yes, what's so hard to understand? Do you remember there being a nighttime in Pokémon RBY?
@@Nefariously_ignorant Lore = in-universe reasoning, not something that they happened to leave out of the original games because it didn't affect anything at the time
Then again, FRLG and LGPE also don't have a day/night cycle, so maybe it's canon that Kanto didn't have a day/night cycle until after the events of RBY?
Obviously nobody ever loved eevee until Johto.
ORAS had the right idea to expand the Pokédex. Let’s Go should’ve done the same. And BDSP should have just had the Platinum Dex + Sylveon and regional forms.
i’m still pissed that bdsp didn’t have the platinum pokedex. i would’ve loved to use like a magmortar or flareon on my team since i chose empoleon instead of infernape (might restart it and choose infernape) but still the limited number of pokemon you can get is unfair, especially those pokemon which you can catch before the post game but can’t evolve until the post game, like gligar into gliscor, dusclops into dusknoir and rhydon into rhyperior. ik they tried to make it as similar to the original as possible, but the originals should’ve had the platinum dex from the start (sorry for the long paragraph lmao)
You can actually find Houndoom in Brilliant Diamond and Magby in Shining Pearl in the fire areas of the Grand Underground, and before getting the National Dex too, they’re just very rare.
@@daniellageorgiou-norman2244 also if it had the platinum dex then cynthia could've had her togekiss to murder any player garchomps, instead of having a 4x weakness to grass on her team.
@@jaernihiltheus7817 that would’ve been so cool, i mean the gastrodon does have ice beam but that’s only one move and one giga drain or leaf blade kills it. i hate how the elite four in BDSP is as well. for the first run through of it, they have basically perfectly competitive pokemon with first time players having no idea what to do, in my first play through the league. i literally had to have mew and jirachi on my team because it was too strong for me
They should have had an NPC visiting Johto/Kanto from Sinnoh that would trade you for a Glaceon/Leafeon depending on which version of HG or SS you were playing, would have been neat
Ig it encouraged trading to complete your pokedex like how frlg couldn't get espeon and umbrein you'd have to get it from Ruby sapphire etc
I wouldn’t have limited it to versions but make them both gift mons at the department store
@@kaizoku8087yeah if they were reasonable they would have done that
But it’s all abt the 💰
It would be possible to update the Regional PokéDex to allow the cross gen-evolved Pokémon. You can not evolve Golbat into Crobat in FRLG until you get the National PokéDex, for example.
That was dumb as fuck, especially when it would actively attempt to evolve and the game said no
@Tamashinoyami I argued this in a comment section and everyone thought I was crazy. I don't understand why that's a controversial opinion lol (fixed spelling)
I think national dex mode in kanto is dumb since its order already is the correct order. The pokedex in frlg should've been national dex from the start
I mean there is a reason why they aren't doing this anymore. The only exception have been the Hisuian evolutions, which need factors not available to us anymore (like peat block or black augurite) and it's mostly for story purposes. After they added multi-dimensional lore they have no reason to lock away new evolutions.
I actually had that happen to me when I was like 8 or so a few years ago and had no clue why until I found out like however long later as a early 13 or 14 y/o teen and got so pissed off. Crobat is one of my favorite Pokemon for Poison, and I find that just so fucking stupid, despite the fact that I had a Charizard on the same team in that moment..
I always hated how hard it was to get mons like Misdreavus due to being locked behind the Safari Zone
But they apear at cliff cave I always get one to help me with chuck
Took me forever to figure out how to get a Bagon to appear at the safari zone
The HG/SS Safari Zone is cool though
@@dramaticScarThis. I've always gotten my Misdreavus from here
God some of those johto monsters were crazy hard to get...at least poke walker helped
So it felt like a real treat if u git one
Gamefreak: Designs really awesome and beloved Pokemon evolutions.
Also Gamefreak: Makes the methods of evolution so unnecessary complicated and restrictive you most likely won't ever see it.
Friendly reminder that in ORAS there's the ice and moss rock even though the game takes place before Jotho and Sinnoh games
Exactly
They could’ve just added those items to the Pokéathlon rewards for the main story reward table if they couldn’t be bothered to give them easily accessible overworld locations. But instead, even that is locked behind the post game’s second reward table. It really frustrates me, because the only reason Ambipom, Yanmega, Tangrowth, Lickilicky, and Mamoswine are accessible in the main story is because their evolutions are tied to moves in their level up learn sets; if Gamefreak had made those specific moves TM or breeding only for those 5 and then locked the TM or breeding partner behind the post game that would’ve been next level petty. Thankfully ORAS learned from that shortcoming (I’m replaying AS right now and it feels good having a Probopass after beating the 5th gym).
wait are you saying you can’t get shiny stone at pokeathlon until you beat the game?
@@redauraforlife yep. Same applies to any other evolution item introduced in gen 4. I remember years ago I played Soul Silver and had to trade the Togetic and Murkrow I had on my team to Platinum to evolve them; even when I traded the stones to SS they would not evolve (I was around Olivine at the time).
@@CaptainObliviousV I distinctly remember getting a shiny stone from the pokeathalon
Nevermind, I suppose I got it by trading, because I do remember having a togekiss b4 post-game
@@CaptainObliviousVBut I remember getting the item as a reward before post game.
I mean when I replayed SS I had a Togekiss before the postgame ^^"
The togekiss one is so frustrating because of how easy it would’ve been to just put the shiny stone literally anywhere else. You can make the excuse that the evolution areas don’t make sense in Kanto and Johto, but not having a shiny stone anywhere before the end of the game was just dumb
It really made no sense to me at all why Gliscor, Weavile, Togekiss, Magmortar, Electivrie, Porygon-Z, Rhyperior, Honchkrow, Mismagius, Munchlax etc. all should've been in the base Johto dex. I really like how ORAS fixed this.
most of the new sinnoh evos you can’t get until post game. i think the only available ones are the ones that you need a certain move to evolve. like mamoswine, yanmega, ambipom, lickilicky, tangrowth, etc
yeah and also weavile and froslass too i think. then they stupidly cut out gliscor, dusknoir and rhyperior as well as magmortar and electivire which is why flint has only two types in diamond and pearl which is so dumb and volkner only had two electric types in his gym battle in diamond and pearl. i would’ve loved if in diamond and pearl, we got to rematch the gym leaders and elite four like they did in emerald but have their platinum team instead
You can also get Togekiss before post game, you can easily get the shiny stone at the Pokeathlon for the points.
@@Feurigel1806 You can only have a shiny stone in the Pokeathlon after unlocking the national dex.
@@sheogorath6834 Weird, I remember getting one before that.
I gotta replay the game again and try it out xD
Maybe because I unlocked all the rooms
Thankfully, since Generation 8, you can use the Leaf Stone or Ice Stone on Eevee.
In Pokemon Go you can evolve all the Eeveelutions by giving them specific nickname too, which is a pretty cool, if slightly odd, mechanic. You can also evolve most of them by more traditional routes such as stones, friendship and time of day, but the nicknames make them all available the moment you have enough candies and an Eevee
@@lewisblackwiththenicehairThe name thing only works once per evolution. It's to simplify acquisition of the non-Gen 1s.
Something definately changed after Go and during lets go game design. Based on what they were seeing in the way younger generations responded to the games.I have witnessed this the last few years as my extended family will dump their kids to talk to me about old pokemon. I do a thing where i let them play red on my old phone. Something most kids do not have acess to. They HATE IT. They want to just look at the pokemon, skip battles, experience, or complicated methods of evolution. So they made things like stone evolutions for older comolicated evolutions
@princessmimikyuI think it was coz they haven't made the Ice Stone back then. I doubt they would have made the stone if only 1 new Poke would use it and they wanted the pair to have the same evo method.
@@nunyabiznes33 It's because they wanted continuity with prior games.
It couldn't evolve with a Leaf Stone in Gens 1, 2 and 3, so why should it in 4?
After Gen 7 established the multiverse proper, they made it so newer Gens, starting in Gen 8 had compatibility with it because they couldn't be fucked to keep adding Moss and Ice Rocks.
When I first played soul silver I did NOT know that I'd be having my Togetic for as long as I did, but honestly it made Togetic grow on me and the eventual evolution in Togekiss made me appreciate it more, made it feel special since it took so long
In my first Heartgold Playthrough I especially chose Togepi, Murkrow and Swinup not knowing that I could only get Mamoswine before the league.
I will always appreciate Togetic, especially when it used metronome and self destructed one of lance’s dragonites from full hp, effectively becoming the greatest Kamikaze pilots the Johto region has ever seen 🫡
It's actually not true that you can't get a Shiny stone until postgame.
You can get one by exchanging Pokeathlon points and there is a Bird catcher who can find the stone and give it to you if you exchange numbers with him.
That sounds like cope to me.
Leafeon not evolving with Leaf Stone is atrocious
It’s nonsensical 🤯
@@AnthonyRodriguez-gy8ey it's blasphemy even
It does now
Thank RKS they course corrected in sword and shield (At the cost of location evolution as a whole (if you even cared for it at all))
@@silverslayer6262 I think it's a cool concept that justifies why couldn't Eevee Evolve to Leafeon before but it really bugs me because Leaf Stone was there since Gen 1 and the main trio of starters was fire-water-grass and not fire-water-eletric
This is why Storm Silver and Sacred Gold are the best rom hacks ever.
Very true. Even though I never used Leafeon or Glaceon in either one, I had Salamence, Ninetales, Feraligatr, Jolteon, Lucario and Torterra for Sacred Gold, then Garchomp, Charizard, Meganium, Jolteon, Golduck and Lucario in Storm Silver.
I still don't see the point of "keeping the lore intact" if its possible to get Ambipom, Tangrowth, Lickilicky, Yanmega, and Mamoswine (all gen 4 Pokemon) before getting the NatDex
Fast forward to today where they don't care at all how Pokemon end up where they do.
Similar to Magnezone and Probopass also being unobtainable due to no magnetic areas.
The thing that ticks me off the most abt the Johto games is that some of the Pokemon they introduced in Gen 2 AREN’T EVEN AVAILABLE IN JOHTO!!! You have to wait till the post-game and catch them in Kanto🤦🏽♂️
I like that Gen 8 they made it possible to evolve Eevee with ice and leaf stones
It was the same way for Magneton and Noseepass. They had to be traded over to DPP and leveled up in Mt. Coronet to evolve
Bro mentioned the worst eeveelutions, but didn’t even point out how we were robbed of magnezone
They could've added 2 newly discovered areas with those rocks, which would explain why they weren't discovered before.
I like that they kept the lore intact, but they could've gotten the best of both worlds
It actually is possible to get Togekiss before postgame, but the only way to do that is the Pokéathelon, and you have to save points and wait for a specific day. I know this because I did that during my Heartgold Nuzlocke, and I doubt I would have won without it.
you can also get it from the bug catching contest
I FORGOT ABOUT THIS!
The lore reason for glaceon and leafeon doesn't even make sense since sinnoh and johto games take place at the same time
… then just make them found in the post game
Have the ice rock found in the same cave you can find articuno in and find the moss rock in Virginian forest… AND YOUR GOLDEN
IDC ABOUT LORE REASONS, I JUST WANT A GEN 4 POKÉMON ON MY TEAM (ok I wouldn’t really want it, but that doesn’t mean others who like glaceon or leafeon shouldn’t have a hard time getting them)
It would've been interesting if they had added a Sinnoan merchant character that would sell Sinnoh exclusive evolutionary items. For location based evolutions, maybe a sailor that brings you to different islands off the shore of Johto? Its a cool idea, would love to see it in a Romhack
Technically there is the pokeathelon which kind of does that.
But the thing is that it only sells those items after you obtained the national dex
Actually you can get Togetic’s evolution stone from the pokeathalon in Goldenrod city pretty early if you grind for it.
unfortunately the pokeathalon only has shiny stones after recieving the national dex
It only has the shiny stone there if you have already gotten the national dex.
Ive looked at its Shop and played it a ton as a kid and also recently, it cant sell the shiny stone unless you have the national dex
@@julienbronsch5039 So I asked my friend who owned a Soul Silver copy and he confirmed that what you said was true. Which boggled my mind, given that I purchased both a Shiny stone and a Dawn stone after defeating Jasmine in Olivine City. Maybe it was a glitch.
Like the tagline said: you gotta buy 'em all!
At this point in time, trading stuff up from previous generations of games was still kind of fun and interesting. Like being able to bring forward mons from the original gen 1 games to newer titles through the Time Machine functions.
Some people took real pride in having kept certain mons across decades of gaming. It's a bit less of a novelty now though I guess that applies to pokemon games in general actually.
Was the shiny stone only in the pokéathlon rewards after the e4?
Ilex or Viridian Forest and Ice Path would’ve been totally doable options for Leafeon and Glaceon evolutions
Out of the games I played, Johto is the one with the dumbest cons, half of johto's pokemon are exclusive to the kanto region, which is post-game, you lack fire types way more than you already do in other games, etc. I don't get how people like the johto region at all.
Don’t forget the level curve too, the route before Blackthorn City (The last gym location in Johto mind you) and you’re still encountering wild pokemon in the grass that are at max level 27…
If there's anything good done in Gen 8, it's having Glaceon and Leafeon evolve with stones. Having to find the icy and mossy rocks was just a hassle
Craziest part about this is that a ton of other gen 4 evolutions are available the moment you get to blackthorn city.
Yanmega, mamoswine, lickylicky and a bunch of others evolve with moves they’d normally get at level 1 but because the move relearner is in blackthorn they can just evolve the moment you get there
Ambipom, Yanmega, Lickilicky, Tangrowth and Mamoswine, just these five.
Edit: By the way, except Piloswine (a level 33 evolution) the other four Pokémon aren't able to remember their move as a level 1 one. But to be honest when you got to Blackthorn City you already passed level 32, for Aipom, and level 33 for Lickitung, Tangela and Yanma.
Yanma only learns ancient power at lvl 33 though
@@croma3375actually i think only Piloswine is affected because the rest learn it naturally from their level with maybe the exception of Tangela as well?
@@pokefanalex9504 You're right, Piloswine is the sole Pokémon that can only remember Ancient Power as a level 1 move, but since it evolves from Swinub at level 33 it is tied with Lickitung, Tangela and Yanma to learning their move at level 33 (but then it can only evolve at level 34). Aipom instead learns Double Smash at level 32. About Lickitung, Yanma and Tangela though, they can already evolve starting from level 2 since Ancient Power and Rollout are tutor moves in Platinum and in the post-game of HGSS.
@@croma3375Lickitung evolves with rollout btw,which you can teach as a TM.
Don't forget almost all gen 2 pokemon being unavailable until kanto/16 badges mt. Silver
The trade to evolve mechanic in these games were the most annoying things to me because I never knew how to do it as a kid
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Magnezone can't be obtained either, which is even funnier because Surge has one in his rematches, meaning between when you first fought him and you fought him again, he either went to Sinnoh or back home to Unnova for the express purpose of kicking your ass.
Nope they wanted money , it can't be that hard to add a big Stone and some dialog
Then why'd they add the rocks in ORAS
@@psuedonym9999 bc they can't play the "its a regional variance" card if they could be gained in unova or kalos.
“They wanted money” is such a dumb excuse for small things like this. they probably made a small decision sometime in development process that it might hurt the established canon, or they couldn’t find suitable locations that didn’t take away from the routes, or they simply forgot.
It’s okay to criticize these things, in fact we should, but pretending like gamefreak didn’t put a shiny stone in the base game because they were sooooo desperate for a little more money is conspiratorial levels of insane.
@@genessab cmon jhoto has a snow cave, literal snow cave wdym they couldn't find a place, AND VERIDIAN FOREST LOOKS MORE LIKE A FOREST THAN THE SINHOH ONE
@@lolmenx4 you have clearly never been a developer of a game. I’ll leave it at that.
And the same for Weavile. Thankfully, the magnetic locations are no concern with Gen 8 and onward and with the option to evolve Magneton with a thunder stone, including leaf and ice stones for Leafeon & Glaceon respectively. THAT, I would argue is a great change. Shame they never did the same for Espeon and Umbreon.
Well the shiny stone is indeed only avaiable after you beat the elite four for the first time… but if you time your gameplay right, you can get a shiny stone to evolve togetic by playing on the pokeathlon… and these are super fun…
And timing your game time is something very johto like.
No, the Shiny Stone is a Pokéathlon reward only in the post-game.
@@croma3375 that’s what I said
@@dramaticScar What do you mean with timing your gameplay right, then- in game Shiny Stone is available after Hall of Fame, but not necessarily after obtaining HM08. It's a given that Pokéathlon rewards cycle daily.
@@croma3375 well if you wanna be a non cheater and not change the day and the hour of your game… than the shiny stone should be avaiable on specific days of the week for you to collect… right after you beat the elite four (correct me if I’m wrong)
I think you can get the Shiny Stone if you place 1st in the Bug Catching Contest in National Park. You can also get it in the Pokéathlon. You just gotta rack up points and change the date to when the Shiny Stone is available. Items for sale change on specific days of the week.
Not sure if this applies to the bug catching contest bug the pokeathelon one doesnt work, trust me I tried it.
The Pokeathelon only sells 6 different items per day, but it gets updated after you obtain the national dex (postgame) to where it sells 12 items per day.
The thing is that the shiny stone is part of the items that are only sold after the national dex was obtained
That remake however was really deserved, in gen II there were some beautiful Pokemon, but meanwhile much new arrived, and that time there was still much to be adjusted in game mechanics, and then it was much better.
The Johto storyline takes place around the same time as the Sinnoh storyline, so even if the stones are only in Sinnoh, they could still have made Glaceon and Leafeon available somehow, probably deliveries for Elm to study.
I’ve been doind a shiny only run of these games and just now I realize how bad the pokemon distrubution system is in Jotho. I really hope they fix that in a future game with a pokedex consisting at least 400
Heart gold and soul silver made my childhood. I still regret selling them
I’ve spent years on SoulSilver slowly working towards a complete Pokédex, using the Internet to a minimum. I’m at 480 now, basically only have the roaming legendaries to catch and transfer a few other version exclusive legendaries.
The worst part, somehow, was realizing I needed to purchase a copy of Pokemon Sapphire, play it all the way to Meteor Falls, all to get a Lunatone or Solrock or something like that. Glameow was also a horror. Did you know they only showed up in Pearl and on two routes even then?
HG a SS were amazing games but they also had a few oversights... Pokemon like teddiursa, and phanpy were obtainable before the first gym battle in the original versions of the game. While in the remakes they aren't available until mid game...
Thank god those two are the worst eeveelutions :3 (i'm mostly joking but Espeon, Jolteon, and Vaporeon are extremely strong competition)
Not being able to get Umbreon and Espeon in FR/LG is infinitely worse… at least let us get Espeon since it’s always day!😫
I remember trying for HOURS to get Umbreon and Espeon in FR/LG. Espeon should have been evolveable outside while Umbreon should have been evolveable in caves. I don't feel like it'd be hard, even without a day/night cycle.
Fortunately Buneary still appear in the postgame on one route during a special event. That's all that matters
I never understood how anyone could call SS or HG a great game. You can‘t catch half of the Pokémon in the safari zone because you‘d have to perfectly align all the items on the right time, right day… gotta catch ‚em all, but you have to trade.
You forgot Magneton, they could've easily used the Powerplant as the method
I just downloaded this game on my steam deck. I played the original gold and silver back when I was like 10-12. I’m in for a treat here
It's how it's always been. If you didn't have red, you couldn't complete blue
Heart Gold and Omega Ruby are my favorite pokemon games to this day.
You can get a shiny stone before post game you need to do the pokeathlon to get it
You can get the Shiny Stone (and other evo items) from the Pokethlon Dome before you even go to Kanto
They don’t all populate there until after you beat Lance. Shiny Stone is still a post game item.
Yes, which is before Kanto
@@TFSthegreat just clarifying since I’ve talked to a ton of people who hear or think, “before Kanto” and argue that means as soon as the Pokéathlon is open.
i got my togepi so early in my soulsilver game, and i was determined to get a togekiss for my team. cannot TELL u how ecstatic i was when i finally got to evolve it, lord knows they made me wait long enough 😭
I want these games SO FREAKING BAD but THEY ARE SO EXPENSIVE
For Magnezone and Nosepass the perfect spot would be in or near the Power Plant
Man I hope I can still buy at least one of these versions, but I want both
It's not about lore, it's about selling games. If you only bought the remakes, you'd have to buy the Gen4 games too if you want to evolve these pokemon.
The togekiss one is bypassable through that little Olympics tournament thing you can buy a shiny stone on a certain day
unfortunately the pokeathalon only has shiny stones after recieving the national dex
And that’s why they were connected to the Ice and Leaf stones in later games.
crazy because not being to able to get these three pokemon hurt me the MOST 😭 that, and i trained my piloswine all the way to level 100 without wanting to teach it that shltass Ancient Power move
People don't realize just how limited your team options are in hgss. You were extremely limited on all stones, evolution held items, and locations. The few you could get, you could only get through RNG phone calls and looking up certain days of the week they are available. Even then, you are almost forced to grab a generic team or you will find yourself so underpowered by time you get to the elite four from trying to unknowingly switch to new, potentially dud mons half way through the game.
For Leafeon and Glaceon, they could've had the Moss Rock in Ilex Forest and the Icy Rock in Ice Path, or if Game Freak wanted to keep them behind the post game, they could've put the Moss Rock in Viridian Forest and the Icy Rock in Seafoam Islands.
For Magnezone and Probopass, Game Freak could have them evolve on Route 10 due to the Power Plant.
dont forget about not being able to catch a houndour (houndoom being my favorite pokemon btw) until postgame either by safari zone or route 7 in the Kanto region...
I still believe Eevee should've alternately evolved into Leafeon or Glaceon with a Leaf Stone or Ice Stone.
Ambipon with pick up has a chance to pick up the drone to evolve togetic when it's at level like 41 I think
I remember that bought a dusk stone from pokeathlon to evolve murkrow before the league, I remember in order to do that I completed all challenges, unlocked the golden room and after that your shop is upgraded as well
IMO all the Gen IV evolutions of Gen 1 & 2 Pokemon should have been obtainable BEFORE beating the Pokemon League the first time also need to add Slugma and Houndour to Johto and put Sneasel in the Icy Path like it was in Crystal.
Each game has a different team pretty much that’s why some of the stuff isn’t there and the Pokédex entries are all different
HGSS is such a HUGE game with two regions to travel with 493 Pokémon.
It gets worse cause they don't give you any evolution stones until post game save for the pokeathlon
Fun fact : leafeon appears in the pokemon gold and silver demo
i feel like it would have been fine to put the moss rock in Ilex forest even, grass isnt a strong type in johto so getting leafeon slightly earlier than a stone evolution isnt gonna break the game
What? I'm sure I fought through the Elite Four in Soulsilver with my Togekiss...?? Headbutting everything with Serene Grace hehehe
You might've either traded over the Togekiss from Platinum or traded your HGSS Togetic into another gen 4 game and evolved it there
I'll be alerting my parents and the teacher of this main story shiny stone
@@droomish1I forget, but could they be earned from the pokethon mini games or pokewalker?
Did you have pokemon battle revolution?
There you could obtain a shiny stone
I also had a Togekiss in the E4. I wasn’t against using trades, though, so maybe I found a player who attached a shiny stone to a trade for something valuable.
I noticed that the whole trade between friends was meant to be a core mechanic, but it never really caught on in my area. It was very difficult to get some mons for me.
Murkrow and Misdrevous can’t be evolved until after you beat the league and can obtain a dusk stone from the pokeathalon. But since you can get them in Johto where you couldn’t in the originals, I’ll take it
I just recently obtained my first Magnezone with this specific trading interaction and thought it was pretty cool
The evo stone issue with Togekiss is why I allow myself to trade in a Shiny Stone during my playthrough
They do exist in the remakes though they’re just post game to give the game more of a gen 2 experience.
Shiny stone is available in the pokeathelon stadium shop before post game
Nope.
The pokeathelon shop expands after the national dex was obtained.
And the shiny stone isnt sold there unless you got its expansion
Magneton has the same issue in HGSS
Thank god for Pokemon home and having Scarlet and Violet before Brilliant Diamond. Managed to get of my favorite pokemon on my team. 😂
You can’t get magnetzone either which sucks. I was so looking forward to that in the post game.
this pissed off as a kid, Leafeon is my favorite eevelution
My take was that they kept gen 4 evolutions until post game to maintain the og Johto feel of things in the main story
Except you could get Mamoswine and Ambipom during main game
funny since starting from gen7 you can evolve eevee into glaceon or leafeon with an ice or leaf stone respectively.