Top Gear Australia: Holden vs Ford #2
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- Опубликовано: 26 авг 2024
- BUY HOLDEN AND FORD!!! Either way, at least you are supporting AUSTRALIA.
Caught this just before it started. Don't know about part 1... Was a few weeks ago and I didn't see it..
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Well all I can say is my BA Fairlane has 653,000 K's on the clock and she's still going strong! Good motors!
Cant say the same about the alloytec
8:47. You know. He have a point
sadly the commodore has now become a fwd piece of poo
And the Falcon was replaced by the "fwd piece of poo" Mondeo.
@@CynicalBastard511 no it wasn't, the mondeo has nothing to do with the falcon..they killed the Falcon with dignity, unlike the commodore.
JELH get ya facts right the mondeo has been around since the early 90s and they are incredibly reliable vehicles
You ever driven one? It shits all over anything that was produced in Australia.
@@aaronbalkwill2832 how it’s a fwd piece of shit the falcons are much better
My BA falcon has 500,000 K's on it and it still pulls like it's brand new, truly amazing engines
Would love to know how many ks it’s got now😂
"And for that, we needed some cones…"
This was back in 1997, when the Pontiac Grand Prix had a version of the V6 that powered the Commodore. Despite having an advantage of about 15 horsepower, it was resoundingly thrashed by its Australian cousin
Every weed smoker needs a couple of cones
Watching the ending of the vid had me almost emotional… legendary aussie vehicles especially Falcon👀😂
true mate, but the SV6 is honestly a totally different animal, esp with 6 speed manual. Honestly my SV6 man goes super hard, and im in the cops so i drive both sixes. Both top Aussie pride
Little do people know- that is actually a safety feature on the VE commodores when the Traction Control System is enabled. It stops damage happening to the gearbox as the car is temporarily rolling back while in drive (obviously being a police car it is an auto- autos can stall to!) Turn the TCS off and it won't stall.
the ford straight six is an awesome engine
Inline beats V any day!
Or does it?
The power u can pull out of Holden V6 made engines is just bloody overwhelming... they give the Corvette engines a run for their money
SEFTO Inlines are better but Vs are a bit more fuel efficient
@@FiendishlyDelightedSefto You seen stock FG barras? They do big numbers with basic mods.
@@jayharburn646 have you seen basic mods on a VT L67?
They blow away the brand new Cayman GT4
@@FiendishlyDelightedSefto you guys are taking the piss right. The holden v6s have always been a joke of an engine overshadowed by the barra in performance and anihilated in the reliability aspect. Nobody has ever taken a holden v6 seriously.
The memory of that "cod faced" thing that was briefly imported in the mid 90s that wore Taurus badges is still fresh in the minds of Australian motorists. It had a face only a mother could love. The modern Taurus is definitely an improvement, but the issue is not just that some are only front wheel drive, but the fact that most people will be pissed off if it replaces the Falcon. How would you feel if Ford USA suddenly replaced the Mustang with a Camry clone?
I love my Falcon :) the engine is great
Put the new Sidi engine against the newest ford and watch what happens!
Barra still just as fast and a whole lot better towing
True there. I'm a Holden lad and always have been. After seeing this however I would say the Ford would not be too bad a car to be seen in ;)
The most durable and reliable car is not just a Ford it's an AU, BA or BF Wagon or Utility.
AU had the best durability rating in terms of the rear suspension. It was the perfect outer burbs country car in that respect still going strong with many owners. But ugly duckling sure it was!
The BF Ghias stood out to me the most, being the incredibly elegant single owner or family outing car.
I miss Karratha. Bought my FG Falcon XR6 Turbo with the Luxury pack and has 290,000 k's on it. Just got the interior detailed and looks like new again!
Hear that holdens domination
4:07 me too
@paspax In June 2010, new emissions regualtions introduced meant that the iconic V8 engine had to be discontinued. Ford phased this out quietly; motoring journals and magazines did not even report on it. As of now, Ford offers no V8 on any of its model lines. However, at the time the V8 was phased out, Ford's performance subsidiary, FPV, introduced a Ford America sourced V8, the 5.0 litre coyote (as used in the Mustang)....From Wiki.
Top Gear Australia is crap compared with the English version.
No, Aussies will alwasy be better
@2crazyalex No The Holden Six's are made here, only the HSV V8's are Chevs. Ford Six's are made here too, FPV V8's are also from the States.
Since the 1960s, Americans have had it hammered into them that front wheel drive is superior. Australian cars are designed to handle the abuse of local conditions, and as many European cars went front wheel drive early, and broke down a lot, the locals distrusted it. Australians are often pulling large caravans (trailers) instead of driving mobile homes, and front wheel drive is often useless for that purpose
Ford nearly always smokes the Holden in these comparo's, it's been like this for years, yet everyone buys the Holdens, be it the Daewoo Barina/Cruze/Captiva or the Commo...Holden know how to advertise & create a perception that they are the shit, & Ford obviously don't. I reckon that's the difference. Also from experience average Joe generally thinks Holden is all Australian where Ford is the Yankee giant.
Trouble is, Ford USA have no imagination. They can't allow anything Australian made to compete on the US market. Holden were allowed to export their Caprice as a police cruiser because they wanted a rear drive competitor to the Interceptor and Taurus AWD. I'm a Holden fan, but it would be cool to see Australian Falcons go international.
LOL "it was time to get elegant and theatrical, and for that we need some CONES" hahaha
The car company's would probably be begging top gear to advertises the mighty great machines of Australia, I mean it's a brilliant way of getting the message out about buying these high quality cars, it's like at the end of the day all ford and Holden fans have in common is they want these cars to be supported so they don't get to lose their passion, experimenting new generations of goodness that could have been?
If you went by tyre noise.. the Ford was being pushed harder than the holden, so it seemed a bit biast lol..
Also there are more Mitsubishi taxi's than Fords ;D lol
ford took money as well. but instead of taking it through the government they took a bunch of loans from different banks to stay afloat. either way, they both paid back their debt. both ahead of schedule. some GM stock is held by the US treasury dept. and some Ford stock is held by banks. its the same sort of thing.
9:27 if only more people watched this
What? i think you may be a little confused mate they used both base model Ford (Falcon xt) and Holden (Omega) in this test... The video shows it from about 0:30
@kiwipilot84 Holden didnt release a pov pack with LPG as an option from the factory, where as the falcon apparently did.. Also in saying that falcons are better than commodores because there are more falcon cabs, does that mean that the prius and the hybrid camry is better than a falcon, 'cause thats what you see mainly in brisbane now. And which commodore is based on an opel?
I laughed when he said the Ford was "more modern" - with it's giant straight 6? LOL, what is this, the 80's??
It's actually the year 1960, just kept re-engineering
@@brotherjoelovercomer9627 still faster, more reliable, evidently handled well even with a big 4.0 and had fuel efficiency to match, modern never meant better
@woodpecker092
Frord Australia have not dropped Ute or V8.
Thet still make utes & they're gearing up to convert to the new OHC Coyote 5.0 litre V8.
5.4 litre V8's are still available.
@morganroate that "front wheel drive pieces of POO like the Ford Taurus" line was ace. Loved it!
Sadly, it kinda aged well unfortunately.
Thank you !!!! Finally I'm not the only one yelling about this buy Australian buy a falcon buy a commodore and burn a aurion it's the Australian way!!!!
Btw THE LSA IN THE VF will kick the RS6's ass
@lordh460 sry there is no Japanese engine in a commodore, the 190 alloytec is made in australia.
their idea was to go for the baseline. but if they were to go the 6 cyl performance class it would be SV6 vs XR6T and the turbo mill would outclass the 3.6 sidi in all aspects. in my oppinion though the SV6 would be a close match to the base falcon, maybe a slight advantage as the improved power will help close the gap created by the i6 torque characteristics
Do Ford and Holden make them look similar on purpose? The last generations resembled each other too.
Sad thing both gone
I agree. Buy a Holden or ford. I think both cars are great. The only reason people get so uptight about this is because they are the only 2 car manufacturers who still make decent sized powerful cars and are Australian.
Go Holden & Ford!
its not a xr6 its just the entry falcon, they are both the most basic car each has to offer.
My falcon has 1,000,000 that's right 1 million and it runs like it's brand new I would like to see a Holden do that much . Everything original
@richardpalinkas Guess again. The "other" engine at the time only had 10Nm more torque than the Omega. It was still 51Nm down on the Ford. It came with a 5speed which helped, but it wasn't as balsy. It did handle better than the Omega, but the XR6 also handled better than the XT.
There is a reason that engine has been dumped after only 5 years.
If only Australian cars were still built *in* Australia.
***** I don't know how or why I'm so interested in Australian cars, or even concerned with the Australian economy, since I'm not from Australia, nor do I live in Australia.
Sadly, it's not just Australia who's having their products made elsewhere. It's also happening here in North America, particularly in the USA, where I'm from. :(
***** I agree. That's *so* wrong.
***** Is it? Not only does the car have to be built in Australia, but it should also be built using genuine Australian materials, by Australian workers. Is it?
Unfortunately, I'm not from Australia. I don't know how things work in Australia.
@RockSolitude Also, some of Holden's cars look like they have been sourced from Daewoo or other Asian manufacturers (such as the Epica, Cruze and regular Barina's)
Really, I would blame GM for the poorer quality cars that are coming out badged as Holden's of late. What I think needs to be done is: Holden make their OWN cars (they can be made in factories around the world, but the bulk should be made in Australia), which, when exported, should be badged as Holden's, they should have their own car designs, make their own engines as well as importing some from American cars, and start importing some American cars to sell in Australia.
Although both Holden and Ford in Australia have been profitable for over 20 years. Both had financial problems in the late 80s, but both, when allowed to do their own thing can turn out world class cars.
going Backwards while in drive, To prevent damage or some crap, all autos will do if you spin them hard enough
..... and now in 2017, he predicted correctly, the Fwd mondeo is now the falcon and the commodore is going fwd/awd.
Agreed with a lot of what you said, but the sales are certainly not evenly matched. The Commodore has out sold the Falcon for all bar 2 or 3 of the past 20 years, sometimes by a margin of almost 2 to 1 (during the AU years).
I like the bigger car but they're pricing themselves out of existence. A 4 cylinder from Japan or Korea is in the teens, around $15k or so. A Ford or Holden with 2 extra cylinders is twice the price and the big bangers with 8 pots, you're look at over $50k...the lower price will always win almost every time.
Why can't we have the Ford Falcon and Chevrolet Caprice (US Holden Commodore re-badge) for sale in the US? Now that the Crown Victoria is gone, there are no more rear wheel drive Ford sedans in North America. I'm sure that a slightly restyled Lincoln version of the Falcon would compete well with the Cadillac CTS, and other German and Japanese mid-size luxury sports sedans. GM would benefit from a new RWD Chevrolet Caprice too since the near identical Pontiac G8 disappeared in 2009.
same as when someone spends $150,000 for an M3 which is a tarted up 320i...
both performance cars are based on the base model archetecture and chassis...
the w427 is a commodore with a v8 7.0L engine in it, and the M3 is a 320i with a v8 4.0L engine..
@kiwipilot84 nobody mentioned LPG till i did, just raising another point to keep this ford v holden feud going. and as for the toyotas, someone raised that there being more falcon taxis means they are better, so by that logic prius' and hybrid camrys are also better. and regarding the opel, did holden base their cars off opel or was it vice versa
id like to see the ford go up against the upcoming SIDI V6 from Holden..... either 3L or 3.6L, both will flog ford!
Well this comment didn’t age well did it.
Big news, it didnt
Wow it was just announced that GM may close it Holden plants in Australia,. The South Australian premier has rushed off to the states to try & secure 2500 jobs. Ford on the other hand just announced a shit load of money to secure Falcon for 4 more yrs.
LOL what year model XR6? Ive crashed an ED and found it held up way better then a Holden. I went 60KPH + side ways into a powerpole.
@warrick129 Wrong answer mate.
The REAL reason Taxi's are Fords is that the Falcon 4.0L engine runs better on lpg and it has a better rear suspension for carring rear passengers than Commodores do.
Most of the Holden fans I know are morons who buy cars based on the 'badge' that's on it and not based the car's quality and value.
Ford now make a better large car than Holden do, but the Holden nuts refuse to accept the truth and will argue the facts and make excuses for their beloved badge.
Long gone
Pity Australians ignored or couldn't afford a new Falcon or Holden. I have my Falcon FG (Second hand and in good nick for a GOOD price in 2011.) and the "Barra" is still going strong, especially against those V6 'oldens.😉
bring back the ford falcon❤
GM ( government motors) is trying to keep its head above water...Ford on the other hand survived the GFC with out any government assistant, & kicking GM ass.
Sidi, what a joke. Fords are built stronger and are always better.
KillJoy For the most part, yes
Time to get elegant and theatrical.. for that we needed some cones..
Should they really be driving under the influence??
Growing up all my life in Melbourne and now 28years old living in Greece (a mistake apparently lol damn bloody financial depression here in Europe) i miss my Aussie V8s... Wether a Holden or a Ford i just want to have one of them here too... I appreciate my Aussie muscle and know to value good cars of any kind.
@defiant18 I said it was N/A not standard. Had a cam and headwork. and Iv spent just 3grand on my xr6turbo. that red clubby has spent over 15k in mods and i still ruin him. stock for stock my car will beat a hsv GTS down the quarter. tune it and ur in the 12's which I would like to see a gts do with just a tune. You cant get away from the fact the the 4L has so much more value for money. The turbo kit on my white EF was just 2.5grand. Head porting with cam was 1300. car was 3300.
how about they put a car like a clubsport or a hsv up against a fpv and see what the results are
@ParalyzedNight by what, .1 of a second on the quarter mile? Pity the new fpvs were made after the hsv's, let's see what happens when the VF comes out in 2012, in reply to the fpv's? stroked 6L to a 6.8 stock in the ss, sv6-tt has been rumored? Oh and the ve walkinshaw already beats both of the gt 335 and f6. Although it's a performance package it's still part of holden/hsv.
i guess only time will tell which one is more reliable
@AUSSIEDAVEROCKS its actually ford that will soon stop making the falcon, not the holden.
Rip ford and Holden
someone pulled out infront of me....now crashing a bike at 80......och thats gotta hurt....what injuries did u do to yourself and what sort of bike?
I would say go to any used car yard that has one and test drive it. I know that compared to most of its American relatives, the G8, by virtue of being a Holden underneath, handles nothing like it. Fling one into a 90 degree turn, and they refuse to let go unless it's a very slippery road
9:11 Sooooooooo 2018 "Commodore"? And the non existing Falcon
Sugar Bombs I don't consider the 2018 commodore a commodore. Reasons people buy aussie cars:
Large car,
Optional V8,
RWD,
Made in Australia.
Reliable
The new commodore doesn't have any of them, except maybe reliability, but in that case, camrys exist.
In my opinion.
GM is actually GENERAL MOTORS
@Auscruffy they already had done that at that point but they drew (f6 vs clubsport they did)
I know that HSV is releasing a 92000 dollar VF to compete against M5's and E63's
Sorry the Rivalry isnt Holden v. Ford its Chevrolet v. Ford.
I/e Camaro vs Stang and so on.
off course the fords a better car...
the W427 is not a holden factory car it is made by walkinshaw so that realy means nothing put the new R8 up against the new GT-P and see who wins.
8:45 - 9:30 I AGREE. Ford and Holden will get rid of this brilliant cars soon, and we dont want that, BUY THEM
That's a bit of a broad stroke, dont ya think?
My 68 yr old dad owns a HSV and I drive an F6 myself.
buy a 240T bare head then start building a block a nispro got 1000hp out of a stock head with extensively modified cams,they used to do a kit for 35K but you have to build it yourself
please help: what is the thebest value out of these cars
ford ba fairmont
ford ba xr6
holden vy s
holden vz acclaim
what you havnt even replaced a water pump or anything like that?
So that 3.6 was the caddie engine...and it got beat by the ford 4.0? Did that just happen?
I wish we could have Australian built Fords here in the US!
seriously.. how did he stall an auto? especially coz it's brand new??
@DoRiToSxFTWx um a omega is a normal commodore, it replaced the executive.
Neither has ever had a front wheel drive version. Both the Commodore and Falcon, since their very first model, have been rear drivers. Holden and Ford have both built smaller cars that were front wheel drive, but their full sized sedans, nobody in Australia would accept them as front wheel drive cars
The falcon defiantly is better, but to be fair though they didnt use the better holden 195 kw V6 which should be standard on all models.(excluding v8 models)
these are the base model holden/fords. Put an ss-v against an xr8 and watch the ss-v win. Although Xr6 turbo's a mean competitor.
Twix Wrong. The 5th butthurt fanboy
the 3.2 or 3.9L snotbox? the SVO was the only decent one and an EB XR6 would prob eat it lol
they might be but with some smart Holden marketing it might just work.
I agree with Charlie - the Ford is the batter car.
Part 2..potentially ending the great Falcon!! Same goes for all other Ford vechiles outside the states. GMC can not dictate to GMH or Opel or anyone else
It's a Falcon, or it's nothing.