@Wayne Haile Those numbers are extremely exaggerated. It's not easy to make 2000hp out of a barra, it's not easy making 2000hp full stop. As for the NA barra bit, c'mon a Ferrari 812 has those numbers (588kw) 800hp plus a extra 2.5l and 6 more cylinders to work with, that's just a example to put into perspective that the ceiling for NA engines is much much lower than forced induction. Seriously there's no way it's possible to get those sort of numbers out of a NA without spending a shitload of money and pretty much taking all barra dna out of it or forced induction, and this is coming from a Ford fan.
Had a straight 6 Ford Barra 2004 October build. Gave it away in 2017. Had around 220k on the clock. I abused the thing mercilessly from 100K onwards. No services what so ever. Put in oil when I heard the motor clicking a bit. Never changed the coolant or checked it's level. I only looked at the temp gauge to see if anything was going wrong. The thing I paid attention to was the fuel level, that is all. I would constantly accelerate from the traffic lights in a firm manner, with the occasional in anger boot to the floor, semi manual gear changes revving the engine around 5 to 6k on the tacho before changing and I suspect that was being actually a bit kind on the motor. Not a leak, not a cough, nor a hiccup in all her years of faithful service. The temperature was rock solid regardless of the outside temperature and I could sit in bumper to bumper traffic and watch the over priced European cars designed for Northern Eurpoean conditions die by the side of the road in the Australian summer but my engine would be burbling alone quite nicely, even with the AC pumping cold air goodness in my face. Can't fault the Barra for reliability when used in it's retail configuration.
Big fucking deal ya clowns. That makes up for all the years of unreliable buckets of shit like eb el ef with blown head gaskets collapsed ball joints outdated shit styling and woefully unbalanced underbaked crap does it. You’ve got nothing to brag about.
LOL the idiot says "Off the line the Holden absolutely blew this thing into the weeds" I think maybe put someone in the F6 that can actually dive and launch it - these things are not slugs off the line we have one!
deluxeseventyone haha I agree. I think they might be a little Holden bias.. he stalled on the line in purpose I’d say.. I know for a fact that my f6 smashes VE r8s of the line and all round!! Him saying it has nothing at the start was bs
Im with ya man iv worked on cars for years and ford overall had the least problems in fact back in the day if you wanted a holden to keep going you put ford parts in it case and point top loaders and nine inch diffs.
" By the time we were reaching an interesting stage, we were going faster then any road your allowed too in Australia ". Lol, in other words the big turbo caught up easy, and if they kept on going it would of left the Holden in the dust....
Chabobox yup. Even the stupidly priced GTSR-W1 only makes 470kw. But considering today the GTSR-W1 is a $200-250k car and the F6 can be picked up for $30-50k it’s not really a fair comparison. Even then you drop a fraction of that massive price disparity into the F6 and the GTSR won’t touch the F6 in the 1/4mile.
been there done that yeah I pretty much agree, I was just pointing out the silliness in comparing stock for stock a car that’s 5X the price of the other. Like an F6 vs old mates made up KW GTS. The closest GTS to the power figure he was claiming is like easily 5X that of an F6 so just isn’t a fair comparison. But yeah as much as I love my fords the LS are definitely the better option for bigger power than the Barra.
Stock standard the FG F6s put out approx 250-260rwkw depending on dyno, condition of the engine and other variables. They are a great engine, reliable, reasonably efficient for the power they put out and easy to mod. Tune only they put out 300rwkw ;) My 2010 F6 is still standard, my only problem is traction. Need some Japanese rubber :)
What you are so proud of an Aussie made engine finally made one what 2005 lmao and your like 20years behind the 8ball and also I'm pretty sure nissan help develope your ”all Aussie engine” lmao
Iv owned both cars and the f6 is by far a faster car..He had his eyes closed at the starting line!! These clowns are Holden biases for sure!! They had to make it look like an even race for all the holden fans.my stock f6 chops my mates VF SS REDLINE that has tune cams and exhaust!!!
I don't think it's pure Holden bias, I think they're just trying to make the show better by making it closer, for example in the drag race you can see the F6 overtook the Clubsport through the window of the Clubsport and this happened multiple times but everytime they got both of the vehicles in one shot the F6 was behind.
@hypersuperdude Agreed , that is a Corvette Engine in the HSV , While the Ford has the Aussie Turbo 6 , the ZF Auto is from Zachs in Germany. I've owned both , still have the F6 now , only tuned it and running 12's down the strip, Bang for Buck clearly goes to the Ford..
***** I am a proud F6 owner and used to have the G6E turbo in the past. I test drove just about everything you mentioned + then some and went back to the F6. Spend a few pennies on a few minor mods (process west muffler delete, high performance air box-filter, big mouth air intake & a flash tune + zf tune).. now producing 319 rwKw. Smash your foot down at 80klm/hr and you better pray you have your traction control on.
***** Agree not much difference between 0-100klm, but approx. 0.4 seconds qtr mile times. So not exactly a massive change... like you have just stepped off a barge and into a speed boat. Selling my G6ET an upgrading to an F6.. was around 9K difference.. chump change and a no brainer when you are getting a limited edition vehicle, stiffer suspension, brembo brake package, limited slip diff, larger turbo, cooler etc.. (+ they look a little more menacing) I was fortunate enough to buy one that also has the sat nav and 19" argent wheel
***** You are welcome.. I can't say that I am a one eyed ford or holden fan, both have brought out respectable cars in the past.. but the F6 is one that I have certainly grown to cherish. Yeah the BM's are very well appointed, and depending on what you want (the wife drives the X-5 with the kids).. they can be rather boring. If you are right, the new XR6T-sprint edition has most of the goodies of the F6, it would certainly be worth considering.. Happy shopping. Cheers
I've had a few falcon inline 6's, very few problems. My current drive is an Au, the last of the single overhead cam engines, I've been very happy with it, and the car overall. I'd buy ford in the future because of my positive experience with the falcon.
I think Gm / Fords best offerings were down under. In the US we got absolute garbage for the most part. I also enjoyed Top Gear Australia, I found em just as enjoyable as the originals.
This proves fuck all. Shit drivers leave way to many variables. The Ford is the only Aussie car there as Holden use american motors so you may aswell have a Skyline up against the Ford.
though actually the falcon has been a aussie designed and built car from 71-72 and the the 6 is the same except america used a version of it for another 10 years or some. the holden commodore is simple a Vauxhall Omega with a chevy motor commodore torana and monaro where all made in europe and imported here and bigger motors and slightly different tail ights and head lights
@sycova He probably didn't rev the engine just over 2000rpm while holding on the brakes on with his left foot before the drag's start. Having the revs aleardy up means the turbo kicks in much sooner, so you take off faster. If he had done it, then the F6 would be passing the HSV around the 200m mark and be more than a full car length in front by 400m.
@Thebmwisthebest agreed keep traction control on and load it up to bring on boost the r8 would get flogged iv driven and worked on f6's as long as theyve been out and driven a couple r8s and the holdens feel super slow not to mention the tackiness that comes standard with commodores
btw im a TOTAL holden man but i just love fords turbocharged sixes so much!! i'd love one of the F6 engines in the HSV body...i know, blasphemy but that'd be so awesome.
Don't matter if you like FPV or HSV, this video is so sad too watch. We will never have two such cool cars that were both great competitors! I love my fords but have a soft spot for holdens
Good on ya mate for making it clear to fools who refuse to listen to the facts. It's a shame Australians at the moment also refuse to buy them at the moment.
i dont get how they say before the turbo get busy but it reaches peak power at 1950rpm which would go passed the hsv like that he always didnt floor it in the ford he started so slow and late, also dont undrstand how the ford brakes are worse when the cars lighter and it has big ass brembos
I find it funny that the Holden only puts out 317 kw, and the Falcon is rated at 310. Which is BS, because my mate chucked his factory F6 on a dyno, and it put out 300rwkw. They had to use the 6 cylinder falcon because the Holden couldn't keep up with the v8 ;) Ford FTW!!!
They actually would of used the f6 because it is a very powerful i6 that could match the power of a 6.2 litre ford v8s are rubbish compared to holden ive even heard ford fans say that themselves. That saying holden v6s are a discrace an im a holden fan
its actully engineered in australia, but good point. at the end of the day they are both aussie cars, coz u dont see them any place else(u do but they are rare as)
His 'instant grunt' argument is relatively void. Maybe from idle at the lights yeah. Real world - mid gear acceleration and the F6 will walk away from the R8 just as it wound it in over the 400m. It's only off boost at low rpm, not mid gear where you would put use to the power in spirited driving. Hence why the original XR6T was so good. On paper 0-100 it was only a smidge quicker than an SS, but in real world tests it would put multiple car lengths on the SS coming out of corners etc.
holden and ford need to start exporting these cars to Europe and America both of these cars have the performance to match some of the best saloons(BMW,mercedes) in the world for the money nothing comes close
@tkotomy Incorrect, the Ford has a turbocharged in-line 6 cylinder engine. This means although it has less power up front, it will stack on eventually. So if a V8 went up against a V8 it would be a fairer race then this and it would be exciting to see the results of.
The boss 290 v8s are terrible, however the 260s aren't too bad, because they're easy to supercharge, what with the lower compression ratio and all. That said the Holden v8s are nice, I would never own the v6s, but I almost bought the ss
@EweTubee It's a big four liter six with a turbo, there are plenty of far smaller turbocharged cars that are as quick or quicker than either the FPV or HSV that being said they are a lot lighter. I'd take the F6 over the HSV :)
@ Australianracingfan I'm 20 y.o and have and drive a new FG F6. I have my open license and drive the car every single day of the week. Back to the video, My stock standard FG F6 smoked the latest GTS's with aftermarket cams exhaust tune and cold air intake. I have proof of times and it was at willowbank 2 weeks ago. Best time I ran was a 12.9 it's a manual. Wheels mag does not do the FG F6 any justice at all!
If I ever did a conversion on a HQ and put a Chevy V8 under the hood I would keep the Holden badges on it but get a custom made badge to stick on the back that says "Powered by" and then the Chevrolet badge. All because Holden is Holden =D
Both companies became active in Australia in 1908, difference is that Ford were introduced as a Canadian/American subsidiary in 1908 where as Holden was started up in Australia in 1908 as an Australian company, which later became owned by GMC - in 1931. It sounds like Holden's more Australian. Plus the Ford Falcon was originally a US Design which we adapted.
good to see two of the best family cars in australia being used properly. i am and always will be a holden fan so its sad for me that the ford is slightly quicker over the quarter even though it lacks the v8's instant punch. as for the smoke out of the clubsport i think maybe all of those burnouts might have bent a pushrod with the constant high revs the ford will never have the intoxicating roar of the chev v8 though and the commy looks ten times better. both awesome cars and it is just a mat
I agree. Im an american, born and raised in the Detroit area. but Holden has set a standard that in my opinion, that makes the Chevy name look like a kid brother. Its next to impossible to find a decent Holden over here, with out spending a fortune. It seems few americans know the name, which is a damn shame. The name Holden just spits badass. anybody asks, what classic muscle car would I have? I say a 72-73 Holden HQ Monaro. and the answer is usually huh? o well, a few americans know!
@ohhdayyum +1, a lot of Holden fan boys don't realize there is a torque restriction, fuel cut restriction and many other restrictions on the car that are given from factory and are simply removed for about $700 without a dyno tune, $1500 with a dyno tune, dyno tune both those cars, and the Holden would eat dust. Turbo lag is also fixable with aftermarket gear too, 20k saved buying a Ford over Holden, easily fixes Fords hold backs.
It would have been interesting to test the hsv against the f6's little brother the xr6 turbo which has a smaller turbo and more punch for comparing in this instance.
i find it funny how when they compair the engines of the two cars they say how the clubbys motor is 'pure aussie muscle' when infact its a completely american motor made by chev? whilst the ford motor is completely australian designed, owned, and built. when it comes to true australiana i believe the ford should be re-considered
@Xerexize Your right, the F6 would be a car length ahead at half track. The knob needs to understand how to drive a turbo vehicle. If they prefer that instant power they should maybe get a donkey and cart, and just jab it with a hot poker.
OK. Let's settle this. I'm a Holden fan. I know that the Holden V8's are restricted to a certain speed (for obvious reasons) but the restricted engine still produces a lot more power than the F6. However, the F6 is a much lighter car and is generally faster than the Clubsport.
i guarantee on the Australian market hsv shits on fpv sales,but its sad they will be gone,nothing like these cars,i love the hsv v8,nothing like the roar of an v8 i say
How come in the drag race in all the in-car footage the F6 is rapidly gaining and about to overtake the HSV, yet from the outside cameras, they are the same? Are they trying to make it look a lot closer because they don't want to show how much quicker the turbo 6 cylinder is than the traditional V8?
Is that why around about 70% of highway patrol vehicles are Holden where as nearly every taxi you see is a ford. And also is that why Holden has won 207 times in the V8 Supercars where as ford has only won 166 times?
@jcadlols True but the problem with turbocharged cars is the lag. I don't know about the Barra Six Turbo and how long or short the lag is. However, that is a general rule about turbocharged cars.
It's true, if you want instant power, v8 is what you want. Must say tho, was quite surprised it was close and intact HSV almost had it all the way. In a real world example HSV will win. At the lights on a drag race, no one goes until 200 km/h plus. So Holden is what you want, if speed is what you need.
you mean the car holden made the car the engine is american design you deserve the credit for creating a fantastic car. Also you modify the engine so you deserve credit for that to. the car is pure holden made aside from the stock ls engine block holden recieved before boring it out
Not correct. The Commodore in the states is a Pontiac G8. Stopped importing in 2010. Its not a Chevy either way as its a GM product and people forget that it was GMH (general motors holden) developed the car for Australia and Australians.
The Monaro/Commodore is only built in Oz, we Brits import it from Holden, Pontiac likewise until they were killed off. Ford has never been a Ferrari shareholder - in fact it was the aborted Ferrari takeover which led Ford to create the GT40 in revenge. Ferrari is part of Fiat, which also owns Maserati, Lancia, Alfa Romeo
@TheRguru1 wrong on both points, both vehicles are made in Australia the Ford 6 is a totally Australian design the US does not use this engine in any vehicle they use a V6 like the one in the ford Explorer and ford Australia almost replaced the straight 6 with this V6 were it not for the consumer backlash against this engine, the Vauxhall you speak of is a re badged Holden the engine is US sourced but the supercharger development by walkinshaw racing is Uniquely Australian
I think it's childish that people are constantly bringing up that the Holden V8 is sourced from Chevrolet. Big whoop what points is that supposed to win you?
He couldn't have launched that F6 any worse if he started from outside the car.
" Pure Aussie muscle"
Shows AMERICAN LS motor.
Except the aussie holden got a Canadian LS.
Would helped if he found the accelerator pedal in the F6 when the flag came down.
Holden has a V8 'pure aussie muscle? F... OFF! first its a yank motor and the falcon 6 motor is all Aussie developed and built!
Holden's all-Aussie muscle died when they killed off the home grown 5.0L in favour of the Gen III back in 1999.
@Wayne Haile It was a 304
@Wayne Haile Those numbers are extremely exaggerated. It's not easy to make 2000hp out of a barra, it's not easy making 2000hp full stop. As for the NA barra bit, c'mon a Ferrari 812 has those numbers (588kw) 800hp plus a extra 2.5l and 6 more cylinders to work with, that's just a example to put into perspective that the ceiling for NA engines is much much lower than forced induction.
Seriously there's no way it's possible to get those sort of numbers out of a NA without spending a shitload of money and pretty much taking all barra dna out of it or forced induction, and this is coming from a Ford fan.
@Wayne Haile No the VT 5L was 304
Can you guys shut up you can’t say nothing your 2000 model au the v6 was faster then your v8
Had a straight 6 Ford Barra 2004 October build. Gave it away in 2017. Had around 220k on the clock.
I abused the thing mercilessly from 100K onwards. No services what so ever. Put in oil when I heard the motor clicking a bit. Never changed the coolant or checked it's level. I only looked at the temp gauge to see if anything was going wrong.
The thing I paid attention to was the fuel level, that is all.
I would constantly accelerate from the traffic lights in a firm manner, with the occasional in anger boot to the floor, semi manual gear changes revving the engine around 5 to 6k on the tacho before changing and I suspect that was being actually a bit kind on the motor.
Not a leak, not a cough, nor a hiccup in all her years of faithful service.
The temperature was rock solid regardless of the outside temperature and I could sit in bumper to bumper traffic and watch the over priced European cars designed for Northern Eurpoean conditions die by the side of the road in the Australian summer but my engine would be burbling alone quite nicely, even with the AC pumping cold air goodness in my face.
Can't fault the Barra for reliability when used in it's retail configuration.
Couldn't agree more. I have an FG since 2016 (2009 model) and not one problem with it. ever
Big fucking deal ya clowns. That makes up for all the years of unreliable buckets of shit like eb el ef with blown head gaskets collapsed ball joints outdated shit styling and woefully unbalanced underbaked crap does it. You’ve got nothing to brag about.
@@captainkaos754 I dunno man. Ive seen those single cam sixes go harder and much longer than the shitty engine that was the 3.8
Fuck yes!
You are an utter nut. Why would you ruin such a great car?
LOL the idiot says "Off the line the Holden absolutely blew this thing into the weeds" I think maybe put someone in the F6 that can actually dive and launch it - these things are not slugs off the line we have one!
The v8 has always been quicker off the line.
Matt R C Not if you Boost Launch...
+VFSSVREDLINE Sounds like you have never driven in a F6 in your life, My stock F6 would rape this thing and leave it in an alley for dead
deluxeseventyone haha I agree. I think they might be a little Holden bias.. he stalled on the line in purpose I’d say.. I know for a fact that my f6 smashes VE r8s of the line and all round!! Him saying it has nothing at the start was bs
Ford all the way
Who agrees?
cLiToRioUs McFaRtLeSkEet yea bra
Well they are both basically dead brands at this point, so a mute point.
Yeah brutha👍
If you like your ford being in the shop for weeks getting fixed........again, AM I RIGHT BAAAAHAHAHA!!
Im with ya man iv worked on cars for years and ford overall had the least problems in fact back in the day if you wanted a holden to keep going you put ford parts in it case and point top loaders and nine inch diffs.
Love my F6! Barra the world!
" By the time we were reaching an interesting stage, we were going faster then any road your allowed too in Australia ". Lol, in other words the big turbo caught up easy, and if they kept on going it would of left the Holden in the dust....
Morepore bring out the 530 kilowatt gts then we will see
@@damonwells1132 What? The HSV GTS from that time had 325 kW, Holden or HSV never made a vehicle with 530 kW.
I think you’re confused 🤷🏻♂️ given enough road the v8 will catch up and keep its pace while the turbo will eventually drop off
Chabobox yup. Even the stupidly priced GTSR-W1 only makes 470kw. But considering today the GTSR-W1 is a $200-250k car and the F6 can be picked up for $30-50k it’s not really a fair comparison. Even then you drop a fraction of that massive price disparity into the F6 and the GTSR won’t touch the F6 in the 1/4mile.
been there done that
yeah I pretty much agree, I was just pointing out the silliness in comparing stock for stock a car that’s 5X the price of the other. Like an F6 vs old mates made up KW GTS. The closest GTS to the power figure he was claiming is like easily 5X that of an F6 so just isn’t a fair comparison.
But yeah as much as I love my fords the LS are definitely the better option for bigger power than the Barra.
Stock standard the FG F6s put out approx 250-260rwkw depending on dyno, condition of the engine and other variables. They are a great engine, reliable, reasonably efficient for the power they put out and easy to mod. Tune only they put out 300rwkw ;)
My 2010 F6 is still standard, my only problem is traction. Need some Japanese rubber :)
love how he says pure aussie muscle about the engine shipped over from chev
The whole drivetrain in the HSV is built in Mexico
The driveline in the hsv is not built in Mexico fuckwit, do your research.
@@captainkaos754 Did research, can confirm it is made in Mexico.
Wanker it's not a chevy engine it's a general motors engine lmao
What you are so proud of an Aussie made engine finally made one what 2005 lmao and your like 20years behind the 8ball and also I'm pretty sure nissan help develope your ”all Aussie engine” lmao
Iv owned both cars and the f6 is by far a faster car..He had his eyes closed at the starting line!! These clowns are Holden biases for sure!! They had to make it look like an even race for all the holden fans.my stock f6 chops my mates VF SS REDLINE that has tune cams and exhaust!!!
I don't think it's pure Holden bias, I think they're just trying to make the show better by making it closer, for example in the drag race you can see the F6 overtook the Clubsport through the window of the Clubsport and this happened multiple times but everytime they got both of the vehicles in one shot the F6 was behind.
Your stock f6 smokes a cammed ls3? You’re fuckin fried. Idc what you say
I would agree that even the 6 litre versions of the LS1 v8 are no match for a ford inline 6 turbo. I've driven both, I like the inline 6.
@Brandon don’t know about that mate,I’ve owned plenty of cars Barra and beyond and injectors and tune in the f6 you got 350rwkw
350rwk with just injectors and tune , I own one of theses cars and I can tell that’s false 😂
worst launch ive ever seen
@hypersuperdude Agreed , that is a Corvette Engine in the HSV , While the Ford has the Aussie Turbo 6 , the ZF Auto is from Zachs in Germany. I've owned both , still have the F6 now , only tuned it and running 12's down the strip, Bang for Buck clearly goes to the Ford..
my xr6t chops my mates ss every single time. stock as a rock. god bless the I6T
test drove a GT-P and a HSV and we drove home with an F6.Last of the Aussie muscle cars
*****
I am a proud F6 owner and used to have the G6E turbo in the past.
I test drove just about everything you mentioned + then some and went back to the F6.
Spend a few pennies on a few minor mods (process west muffler delete, high performance air box-filter, big mouth air intake & a flash tune + zf tune).. now producing 319 rwKw.
Smash your foot down at 80klm/hr and you better pray you have your traction control on.
*****
Agree not much difference between 0-100klm, but approx. 0.4 seconds qtr mile times.
So not exactly a massive change... like you have just stepped off a barge and into a speed boat.
Selling my G6ET an upgrading to an F6.. was around 9K difference.. chump change and a no brainer when you are getting a limited edition vehicle, stiffer suspension, brembo brake package, limited slip diff, larger turbo, cooler etc.. (+ they look a little more menacing)
I was fortunate enough to buy one that also has the sat nav and 19" argent wheel
*****
You are welcome..
I can't say that I am a one eyed ford or holden fan, both have brought out respectable cars in the past.. but the F6 is one that I have certainly grown to cherish.
Yeah the BM's are very well appointed, and depending on what you want (the wife drives the X-5 with the kids).. they can be rather boring.
If you are right, the new XR6T-sprint edition has most of the goodies of the F6, it would certainly be worth considering..
Happy shopping.
Cheers
Linda Frey the fuck is the problem with your brain bit h
Linda Frey ford Australia was imported along time ago so the real last aussie muslce is holden as they are now imported since the end of 2017
Ford should've sold F6 in UK it'd probably make more sense to poms than pushrod VXR
If the f6 destroys the gts... Imagine what the new supercharged gt would do. Fords back on top. the way they should be.
Imagine a 6 cylinder beating an 8 cylinder in a quick pull at the lights
These are the cars that should be at Bathurst , cars you can buy
They were for so long hence why not anymore
I've had a few falcon inline 6's, very few problems. My current drive is an Au, the last of the single overhead cam engines, I've been very happy with it, and the car overall. I'd buy ford in the future because of my positive experience with the falcon.
Having only ever only owned HSV and Holdens I have to say they are both great cars.
just letting uno that ford aus makes aussie made engines and holden has to use engines from nissan and gm
Nezzy Holden only used the RB for the VL Commodore which was the best thing that Holden did. After that it was shitty V6s and LS engines.
@@stoopidhaters i love thos rb26 vl commys
@@dodgechallenger9929 VLs used the RB30, although a RB26DETT VL would be fucking sick.
@@stoopidhaters they did get that 5.0L though
Yup, ford stands on its own feet gets you out your seat
They are both pretty awesome. Maybe ill try a f6 now
You are a fake car fans
This is the best clip from Top Gear Australia...
I think Gm / Fords best offerings were down under. In the US we got absolute garbage for the most part. I also enjoyed Top Gear Australia, I found em just as enjoyable as the originals.
I think a turbo (with lag) is good enough compensation for the extra 2.2 litres and 2 cylinders.
This proves fuck all. Shit drivers leave way to many variables. The Ford is the only Aussie car there as Holden use american motors so you may aswell have a Skyline up against the Ford.
Lol skylines are Japanese xD
Dylan Robinson And your point is...
Ford is american...
though actually the falcon has been a aussie designed and built car from 71-72 and the the 6 is the same except america used a version of it for another 10 years or some. the holden commodore is simple a Vauxhall Omega with a chevy motor commodore torana and monaro where all made in europe and imported here and bigger motors and slightly different tail ights and head lights
***** Can you explain yourself please?
its also funny how the fpv is a straight 6 and the hsv is a v8 lol
Rest In Peace Ford vs Holden, you were the best debate in my life and now your over :(
FORD GANG 💙
haha the F6 will beat a club sport of the line any day he fuked the pull off up big time
hahaha
Imperial Mark it couldn’t beat the GTS though
@@menatworklanddownunder3955 it’s because the drivers cant drive for absolute shit, that falcon would kill that commodore
both are great cars but i still am a ford fan :)
Pure aussie muscle, you mean American chev.
uhhh no
ibby81ae ummmm....
LOL......
Made in Australia, rebadged and sent to America.
Get your facts straight.
+glen elkin what motor is in the hsv?
ibby81ae a shit box
@sycova He probably didn't rev the engine just over 2000rpm while holding on the brakes on with his left foot before the drag's start.
Having the revs aleardy up means the turbo kicks in much sooner, so you take off faster.
If he had done it, then the F6 would be passing the HSV around the 200m mark and be more than a full car length in front by 400m.
@Thebmwisthebest agreed keep traction control on and load it up to bring on boost the r8 would get flogged iv driven and worked on f6's as long as theyve been out and driven a couple r8s and the holdens feel super slow not to mention the tackiness that comes standard with commodores
There beautiful cars both of them just awesome
The F6 is not American. The engine is Australian, and the car was designed and built in Australia.
btw im a TOTAL holden man but i just love fords turbocharged sixes so much!!
i'd love one of the F6 engines in the HSV body...i know, blasphemy but that'd be so awesome.
XR8's were discontinued in June 2010, the sales for the XR8 were ridiculously poor.
Don't matter if you like FPV or HSV, this video is so sad too watch. We will never have two such cool cars that were both great competitors! I love my fords but have a soft spot for holdens
Good on ya mate for making it clear to fools who refuse to listen to the facts. It's a shame Australians at the moment also refuse to buy them at the moment.
lets hope in the next series they test the new gt335.which bet the f6 and is now the fastest built Australian sedan... we can only hope
STI & EVO vs HSV & FPV around the track should be an interesting one :D
Plus the turbo barra boost is straight up no v8 has ever beaten me off the line
The real fun is when the boost gets turned up and the trany stalled. That will mouth fuck your hsv of the line
We know who’s been mouth fucked don’t we princess.
To both cars, thanks for the memories.
Lest we gorget
I won’t gorget bro
and turbo lag only occurs when loocking at like 15psi upwards of boost when the (not sure of the F6) tne xr6 turbo has no lag and 6psi at 270kw
Do the test in a Manual for a start
i dont get how they say before the turbo get busy but it reaches peak power at 1950rpm which would go passed the hsv like that he always didnt floor it in the ford he started so slow and late, also dont undrstand how the ford brakes are worse when the cars lighter and it has big ass brembos
Right on! It's downright disrespectful to the hard working Australians who build Holden vehicles!
Ford's Better.
Love my turbo 6 power... but do miss the rumble of my old 8 but no comparison in power ....Barra 6T for the win
A rolling start shown the F6s torque advantage. 2.7s 80-120kph rivals the germans.
I find it funny that the Holden only puts out 317 kw, and the Falcon is rated at 310. Which is BS, because my mate chucked his factory F6 on a dyno, and it put out 300rwkw. They had to use the 6 cylinder falcon because the Holden couldn't keep up with the v8 ;) Ford FTW!!!
They actually would of used the f6 because it is a very powerful i6 that could match the power of a 6.2 litre ford v8s are rubbish compared to holden ive even heard ford fans say that themselves. That saying holden v6s are a discrace an im a holden fan
I own a ve with the alloytech v6 and its fucken insane lol
Alloytechs only come in the VZ's....
Jesus Christ Lol. The F6 is faster then the xr8 that's why they used the f6
I'd say your mate's went into transient overboost mode when he had on the Dyno, makes a big difference to the dyno figure
its actully engineered in australia, but good point. at the end of the day they are both aussie cars, coz u dont see them any place else(u do but they are rare as)
His 'instant grunt' argument is relatively void. Maybe from idle at the lights yeah.
Real world - mid gear acceleration and the F6 will walk away from the R8 just as it wound it in over the 400m. It's only off boost at low rpm, not mid gear where you would put use to the power in spirited driving.
Hence why the original XR6T was so good. On paper 0-100 it was only a smidge quicker than an SS, but in real world tests it would put multiple car lengths on the SS coming out of corners etc.
holden and ford need to start exporting these cars to Europe and America
both of these cars have the performance to match some of the best saloons(BMW,mercedes) in the world for the money nothing comes close
@tkotomy Incorrect, the Ford has a turbocharged in-line 6 cylinder engine. This means although it has less power up front, it will stack on eventually. So if a V8 went up against a V8 it would be a fairer race then this and it would be exciting to see the results of.
lol he decided to give the hsv the 1 or 2 seconds it needs to look good :)
also the engine cover in the BRZ/86 says Toyota AND Subaru, on both models
The boss 290 v8s are terrible, however the 260s aren't too bad, because they're easy to supercharge, what with the lower compression ratio and all. That said the Holden v8s are nice, I would never own the v6s, but I almost bought the ss
@EweTubee It's a big four liter six with a turbo, there are plenty of far smaller turbocharged cars that are as quick or quicker than either the FPV or HSV that being said they are a lot lighter. I'd take the F6 over the HSV :)
@ Australianracingfan I'm 20 y.o and have and drive a new FG F6. I have my open license and drive the car every single day of the week. Back to the video, My stock standard FG F6 smoked the latest GTS's with aftermarket cams exhaust tune and cold air intake. I have proof of times and it was at willowbank 2 weeks ago. Best time I ran was a 12.9 it's a manual. Wheels mag does not do the FG F6 any justice at all!
How can they say that the Holden is pure Aussie muscle when the engine is an LS3 from America?
If I ever did a conversion on a HQ and put a Chevy V8 under the hood I would keep the Holden badges on it but get a custom made badge to stick on the back that says "Powered by" and then the Chevrolet badge.
All because Holden is Holden =D
Australia: Holden vs Ford. USA: Chevy vs Ford. Japan: Nissan vs Subaru. Whats next?! China: Chery vs Foton?
Both companies became active in Australia in 1908, difference is that Ford were introduced as a Canadian/American subsidiary in 1908 where as Holden was started up in Australia in 1908 as an Australian company, which later became owned by GMC - in 1931. It sounds like Holden's more Australian. Plus the Ford Falcon was originally a US Design which we adapted.
The Holden has an American v8 in it
good to see two of the best family cars in australia being used properly. i am and always will be a holden fan so its sad for me that the ford is slightly quicker over the quarter even though it lacks the v8's instant punch. as for the smoke out of the clubsport i think maybe all of those burnouts might have bent a pushrod with the constant high revs the ford will never have the intoxicating roar of the chev v8 though and the commy looks ten times better. both awesome cars and it is just a mat
I agree. Im an american, born and raised in the Detroit area. but Holden has set a standard that in my opinion, that makes the Chevy name look like a kid brother. Its next to impossible to find a decent Holden over here, with out spending a fortune. It seems few americans know the name, which is a damn shame. The name Holden just spits badass. anybody asks, what classic muscle car would I have? I say a 72-73 Holden HQ Monaro. and the answer is usually huh? o well, a few americans know!
@ohhdayyum +1, a lot of Holden fan boys don't realize there is a torque restriction, fuel cut restriction and many other restrictions on the car that are given from factory and are simply removed for about $700 without a dyno tune, $1500 with a dyno tune, dyno tune both those cars, and the Holden would eat dust.
Turbo lag is also fixable with aftermarket gear too, 20k saved buying a Ford over Holden, easily fixes Fords hold backs.
Ve ss manual add full exhaust,otr and hot cam...yup whole lot of fun.
If the cop pulls you over next time for doing a burn out at the traffic lights, just tell him it's the "Aussie tradition"
I'm a Holden guy but I'm not gonna get all snobby and witty about the Ford. Both are great cars and without one, neither would exist!
Ford FTW!!
It would have been interesting to test the hsv against the f6's little brother the xr6 turbo which has a smaller turbo and more punch for comparing in this instance.
The f6 would win it has 40 more kw stock
i find it funny how when they compair the engines of the two cars they say how the clubbys motor is 'pure aussie muscle' when infact its a completely american motor made by chev? whilst the ford motor is completely australian designed, owned, and built. when it comes to true australiana i believe the ford should be re-considered
@Xerexize Your right, the F6 would be a car length ahead at half track. The knob needs to understand how to drive a turbo vehicle. If they prefer that instant power they should maybe get a donkey and cart, and just jab it with a hot poker.
F6 looks amazing
I'm probably wrong but the f6 vs the Clubsport wasn't that fair, they should've done a ford gt-p vs Holden club sport, both pure Aussie v8 muscle!
OK. Let's settle this.
I'm a Holden fan. I know that the Holden V8's are restricted to a certain speed (for obvious reasons) but the restricted engine still produces a lot more power than the F6. However, the F6 is a much lighter car and is generally faster than the Clubsport.
i guarantee on the Australian market hsv shits on fpv sales,but its sad they will be gone,nothing like these cars,i love the hsv v8,nothing like the roar of an v8 i say
the falcon line of vehicles is being discontinued withing the next few years im pretty sure, so soon no one will have them brand new:(
Yes, aha my bad, 2010, as its 5.4-litre engine did not meet tightening emissions regulations.
How come in the drag race in all the in-car footage the F6 is rapidly gaining and about to overtake the HSV, yet from the outside cameras, they are the same? Are they trying to make it look a lot closer because they don't want to show how much quicker the turbo 6 cylinder is than the traditional V8?
Is that why around about 70% of highway patrol vehicles are Holden where as nearly every taxi you see is a ford. And also is that why Holden has won 207 times in the V8 Supercars where as ford has only won 166 times?
@jcadlols True but the problem with turbocharged cars is the lag. I don't know about the Barra Six Turbo and how long or short the lag is. However, that is a general rule about turbocharged cars.
yeah mate. but for continuity reasons, they should've used the V8 ... the typhoon is just epic.
It's true, if you want instant power, v8 is what you want. Must say tho, was quite surprised it was close and intact HSV almost had it all the way. In a real world example HSV will win. At the lights on a drag race, no one goes until 200 km/h plus. So Holden is what you want, if speed is what you need.
love it how much crap they talked about the F6 and about how bad it is but the last two minutes of this video is both of them wanting to be driving it
Time for a Top Gear top tip: Always be sure to warm up your tires before going out for a drive.
you mean the car holden made the car the engine is american design you deserve the credit for creating a fantastic car. Also you modify the engine so you deserve credit for that to. the car is pure holden made aside from the stock ls engine block holden recieved before boring it out
@Asheybabexx27 yeah thats why every Commodore up until the VE was a European (Opel ) design with US GM bits.
@zennez5 Holden used to make their own V8s I think they where called black series motor or some thing like that
Not correct. The Commodore in the states is a Pontiac G8. Stopped importing in 2010. Its not a Chevy either way as its a GM product and people forget that it was GMH (general motors holden) developed the car for Australia and Australians.
Comments at the end are spot on
The Monaro/Commodore is only built in Oz, we Brits import it from Holden, Pontiac likewise until they were killed off. Ford has never been a Ferrari shareholder - in fact it was the aborted Ferrari takeover which led Ford to create the GT40 in revenge. Ferrari is part of Fiat, which also owns Maserati, Lancia, Alfa Romeo
The engine is built in australia. Only holden with a complete chevrolet engine, built overseas is the W427. Get it right.
@TheRguru1 wrong on both points, both vehicles are made in Australia the Ford 6 is a totally Australian design the US does not use this engine in any vehicle they use a V6 like the one in the ford Explorer and ford Australia almost replaced the straight 6 with this V6 were it not for the consumer backlash against this engine, the Vauxhall you speak of is a re badged Holden the engine is US sourced but the supercharger development by walkinshaw racing is Uniquely Australian
I think it's childish that people are constantly bringing up that the Holden V8 is sourced from Chevrolet. Big whoop what points is that supposed to win you?