@@HeavenCanWait7-333 there not British Australians are natives Irish or dutch British is a political term meaning fake Welsh nobody is actually British not even me a mixed Scottish Welsh living in England even im not British even though im definitely the definition of British.
@@HeavenCanWait7-333 the entomology an history says very differently British is a modren invention based on a non deliberate shared ancient culture generally referred to as Celtic though it predates celts by 2.000yrs.
@@HeavenCanWait7-333 you started the pedanticness that's what that is when people do that you're British too bs they are referring to history but if you're going to get pedantic about history history says different things to work now since because it was different back then that's What Makes history history if you're going to be pedantic make it an art form because all the things you don't know about history are there just waiting to be learnt history is only a mystery if you miss Spell it lol
@@HeavenCanWait7-333 5000 years ago not 2000 2000 years before Celts is 5000 back then Britain was a small collection of Kingdoms Gaelic and Brythonic the ancient Welsh Irish and Scottish the former being the latter and the latter being the former. The Shared culture is shown through neolithic monuments this is where these primary sources comes in archaeological studies a Google stone circles there is a wealth of knowledge might hear on RUclips from people who live near the sites. If you fast forward to 500 a.d. the phrase Britannica is fairly well established in Latin writings this is ideology at work why the Romans called it it after the areas they had overtaken rather than naming it after the places they couldn't Conquer is probably due to them hating anybody different to them which they would then dub inferior this attitude would survive the next 1500 years. in that 1500 years the English rose to power in the wake of invasion Roman Viking Norman this lose sense of identity is probably why why the word Britain is used for the whole Island because they were working off of Roman information rather than Celtic information. the Irish do this invasion worship thing too but in a very different way they use it as a way to feel connected to the rest of the world the English and many modern Nations get scared and we end up in the weird positions we're in today like brexit for example. Before the Neolithic there was barely Five Guys and goat here so that's pretty much the entirety of "British" history lol the abridged and simple version. These kinds of macro information are quite easy to know more so than individual Kings Queens and the like who often turn out to be semi mythical or possibly entirely made up by modern standards but that's what people tend to think of history as a list of names and dates not at all very falsifiable and best left in the realms of whimsy. to go back into pedantic mode looking up the etymology of the word British would probably tell you more then my attempt to explain it because I have to try and imagine what they were thinking. One could try and guess what they were thinking but but things were radically different 1000 years ago 5 times that amount we're talking about people who were barely white because white people were a new thing back then blue eyes only having recently emerged time is one hell of a drug lol.
General Motors shafted us, they took a half billion $ hand out of tax payer money to keep producing cars in Aust, and they had no intention of doing so. They closed shop, kept the money and gave the Aust public the bird. Look at the history of GM, they are now and always have been one of the worst "corporate citizens" around. Look at the hand outs they accepted in the US after the GFC, and yet they still reduced the workforce. Govt is good at handing out corporate welfare with no checks or balances, but still shaft the Aust taxpayer at every turn, but it's not just the Govt at blame here, GM (and Ford, and Nissan, and Mitsubishi), had no intention of continuing production in Aust. Good riddance to them, nothing more than arseholes.
If anyones wondering this is sold as a hsv clubsport over here in australia. on that topic here we are 10 years later and holden is dead in australia RIP.
@@TheAlps36As an American who's fallen in love with AUDM cars, here's how I see it. Aussies and Americans both love big, cheap power, and big V8s. However, American muscle cars are more catered towards driving in straight lines on tarmac, doing stoplight races when the cops aren't looking, and only having a backseat for insurance purposes. Australian muscle, on the other hand, is different. The Holden Commodore and Ford Falcon are full-size 4-door sedans. They're designed for Bathurst racing, drifting across the Australian outback, and most importantly, hooning with your mates. Don't want a backseat? They come in Ute variants for utility (and quick burnouts). Even the Monaro has pretty good backseat room for being a 2-door coupe. It's truly a tragedy that GM and Ford both left Australia and took nothing with them.
@Kwistenbiebel200 Such patriotism! You are what is wrong with this country. Running away as fast as you can from being an actual Australian and won’t support anything from Australia lest you be judged as a “bogan”. Bet you drive a European car “because it makes me look sophisticated” and spend all your time and money buying imported things to impress people who don’t actually give a shit about you. I’ll keep being a proud Australian driving my V8 Commodore thanks very much. Dickheads might think I’m a bogan but that’s ok because I don’t give a shit about dickheads!
@@David-lr2vi she probably buys goon so I bet she’s as bogan as it gets tbh, sounds like your typical wine mum driving a diesel Audi bought on hubbies credit
Lol nothing Ozzie about it... it’s a shared South Korean car Vauxhall and Opal the only Ozzie thing about it is the badge that started as a leather upholstery company, Walkingshaw was engineered in Scotland lol. Like he said everything from Europe is above it !
For the life of me, I can't understand why they rebranded Holden cars as Vauxhalls. Australia in itself is a good brand. It speaks to reliability and quality, that kind of brand recognition adds value. The Vauxhall badge was just "cheaper than a VW". Holden knew their corner of the market and they nailed it. They built comfortable cars for yobbos. They weren't competing with Audi, the were competing with Ford, and they were building unique cars, albeit ones that all looked the same.
For for decades Opals and Vauxhalls have been rebadged as holdens and sold over here. Thankfully a few had the drivelines upgraded and ran 308 V8s instead of 4 cyl
@@aaronleverton4221 I dont know anything about the 4 cylinders or cars they came out in over here. Way too small motors (or cars) for me to have any interest in About the only thing I do know is the old diesel Geminis got great fuel economy, but a slug. Never had or drove one tho
@Luke Dixon I’m not the one asking others of their color like you, so I thought I’d give you a dose of your own medicine, as I don’t see how it is relevant to the original conversation. Perhaps you’d like to elaborate on that one?
@@iffracem they’ve been around for over a century actually making horse saddles at first and i don’t care about the people who ran holden i liked the fact they made cars for everyone from tiny little 1.5 litre hatch backs to 6.2 litre supercharged V8s
Absolutely loved my Holden(s) over the years. Such a shame they've stopped making them. There is no comparison in my opinion. Just stunning looking cars with an engine sound you can pick without looking.
@@horse5407 lol, some of the Holden models weren't pretty, but a few were /are worth admiring. But I'm biased, I grew up with Holden's in the drive, nothing else was ever parked there. My dad came home with a Sunbird one day and said it was his newest car. We were horrified. He was joking, it was only on loan until his new car was ready, which would've been a HQ or thereabouts.
I remember one time I was cycling in Manchester. I saw a Holden Cruze, literally, a freakin' Holden! It still had the Aussie plates on it too! Victoria ones I think. I also saw a HSV in red one time as well!
did you know that Holden cruzes are actually just daewoos? Chevy cruzes are also that as well. My best friend has one, it’s actually not a horrible car to drive lmao.
OF COURSE they were bloody vic plates. Only a Victorian. Vic plates are the scourge of Australia. Nobody else but Victorians keeps their plates on or seems to roam as far. Bloody cockroaches.
That Holden will last years, I have 300,000 kms on mine and its 20 years old. All the Euro cars will be broke by 100,000km. This is something overlooked by the motoring industry. When something breaks on a Euro car, it costs more than the car to fix it. Australian roads are full of 15-20 year old Holdens.
@Dirty Harry .. At 300k, if you haven't already I reckon you want to have a look at the heater tap. (RH side engine bay under the brake booster). They're made of plastic and get crumbly. Cheap, easy to replace. Do it before it fails and leaves you stranded.
I have my 2011 falcon xr6 250,000 kms and reliable as all hell. I will say that while its cheap to maintain a commodore or falcon, in Aus/NZ compared to the German cars, thats just a problem with it being international. A heater core from my mums mercedes cost literally cost 3 times as much as the same part in Germany.
GM said: “it’s brilliant! Let’s kill it.” Like, the ‘89 Fiero, the RWD Monte Carlo, the Oldsmobile brand, the EV-1 and the “reimagined”2021 Blazer (the last one is a recommendation, actually)
@M Lama I don't disagree with a word you say. The holdens are a maintenance dog, thanks to the American parts. And the company sunk thanks to the American mangament. But it was fun whilst it lasted.
Comparing in the wet would make a big difference. The other car of course to compare would have been the Ford Typhoon or F6. That is deadly fast with very good handling. But it's all history now.
Every time they ever reviewed a Holden... the track was always wet... every time... Now that couldn't possibly be they didn't want to upset the Euro manufacturers with their over priced complex garbage now could it...
@@ImmortalInflames Cool. Now look at the Monaro VXR (S06E11), the VXR8 Bathurst S (S13E07, the Maloo (S13E07). All on a bone dry track. But please, go on about how I'm the one not doing the research.
I loved it when he reviewed the Monaro and when he switched on the traction control the "computer" says in a very heavy Aussie accent "You bloody poofta!"
And when imports arrived that were, frankly better and more cost effective than the "home grown" alternative, what happened? The Govt introduced import tariffs to "protect" the industry. Did the industry use this protection to improve their product and make it competitive with the imports? Did they make better cars at less cost for the consumer, seeing we were already paying for these tariffs anyway) (the consumer always carries the costs of tariffs, manufacturers don't) No, they continued to make crap cars but raised the prices to just below imported+tariff prices, and all being owned by multinationals, kept the difference in offshore bank accounts. The first commodore was an imported design, an Opel. A 4 cylinder Opel design that they shoe horned a decades old push rod 6 cylinder into. The V6 commodore? Powered by an already asthmatic Buick engine. Give me a break, Holden stopped being Holden in the late 50's Ford are just as bad, but at least their later engines and cars were actually designed here.
Someone working at top year 10-20 years ago really liked queens of the stone age. I've heard this, sick sick sick, spiders and vingeraroons, and a couple others. Always bizarre but welcome.
I had the R8 VE maloo. Fantastic thing to drive and so much fun. All you people on here bleating Holden should've never closed. I'll ask you this how many of you bought Holden's and supported local or just jumped on the BMW Mercedes ego trip. Holden's only gone because people stopped buying.
I would have the VXR8 over the BMW M5. It's fast, it's fun, it's very good looking for a saloon car and it's a Vauxhall you'd actually might want to by. That should have been Top Gear's car of the year 2007. I can't believe none of them thought of nominating it as their car of the year.
Every "downside" is just another thing we love about our cars. It's shame our small population and the gov made it as physically unprofitable as possible
Ben Chesterman Clubsport all the way...it has a bullet proof engine, affordable servicing costs, and now, if very well looked after, will hold its value!
In a couple years I’m sure you could my brother picked up his VS clubsport for around 15k 11 years ago it’s now going to for around 40-80k and it’s not even a classic car yet
@@catherinenicholls1018 I remember seeing VS senator 215s for under 20k, try find one now. I'm already wanting to park my wagon in the shed and baby it.
@@Darndiddlyarn aye I’m putting in a criminal injury compensation through to courts about a guy who threw a brick at my head, apparently I could get 75 grand out of it. So I could even go for a Monaro I saw a few low priced ones around the 30grand price range. Only problem is that CiC could take a year to finish which by then it’ll probably be a bit late to buy some of the higher priced Holden’s
I want one , if i ever have the money it will be FIRST on my list , At the top of my list , the first thing i buy , You get the message , I love this car
I remember baffling some English people when we asked directions to Beaulieu (a joining of French words meaning "beautiful place") as we did our best to pronounce it in its native French accent. "OOHW! {chuckle,chuckle}, you mean Buelee". So those insisting we Aussies are wrong in our pronunciation of Bathurst is akin to the French saying that to the English I guess
Is it weird that the speedo is in kph but the fuel economy is mpg? Also, I want more 4 door saloon cars that are manuals here in the states. I know it's not impossible to convert a panther body or something like that but America is really missing a trick with its transmission illiteracy.
Sadly the days of Holden are over. Last Holden rolled out of the Factory in 2017. The MPG thing is probably a UK conversion, here in Australia we use pure metric for most things.
Yes they also made a higher trim level called the Clubsport R8 and then there’s the high performance version called the GTS then the limited version with insane power and interior called the W427 with the LS7 engine.
Might be made in Australia with an American engine but the HSV "moronic" styling is done by a Englishman. HSV's would have looked better if they were styled by Australians. To chintzy for my tastes.
we ended up with State LNP and Federal LNP that was a death sentence to industry in Adelaide. We were fortunate the Labor government held on as long as they could and in hindsight allowing GM and Ford to leave Australia was a gigantic fucking mistake that should never have happened. God I fucking hate Liberals and their supporters.
It’s that Ocka Aussie mentality that Jezza mocks that also destroyed Holden/Ford in Australia as most Australians cringe at that stereotypical image even tho it’s a bit funny it can also be very derogatory and harsh to other ppl who don’t fit the ‘mould’ of a traditional Aussie . . .
If only the suspension from Holdens could have made American cars better handling. Aside from seeing the 2004 to 2006 Pontiac GTO, Pontiac G8, or Chevrolet Caprice police car. We didn't get much of a proper handling car under the General Motors division built from where the brands all started.
Well it's got 4 doors & powered by an engine the Yanks threw out, even Australians think it's ' just ok ', as a great V8, & slapping a Vauxhall badge on it would just make it go slower out of shame, that name belongs on a car your Nan drives to church. I would gives my thumbs to see an SS Torana or Monaro do that track, & my Ford brothers & sisters will definitely have their own picks. In short, well presented, thank you for getting our seafood correct, but don't judge Australian cars that are made for us by people who have no idea, Aussie Aussie Aussie ...
When other Australians claim "they're proud to be an Aussie" when they didn't put a single second of effort building one of these Australian-built cars.
@Theriomalstrom Based on the same car, but this is a rebadged version of the Holden Special Vehicles VE Club Sport R8. HSV being the performance tuning wing of Holden
The mere fact jeremy calls them "prawns" instead of "shrimp" makes his attempt at an australian accent acceptable
Almost acceptable. Still a lot better than any yank could do.
@@HeavenCanWait7-333 there not British Australians are natives Irish or dutch British is a political term meaning fake Welsh nobody is actually British not even me a mixed Scottish Welsh living in England even im not British even though im definitely the definition of British.
@@HeavenCanWait7-333 the entomology an history says very differently British is a modren invention based on a non deliberate shared ancient culture generally referred to as Celtic though it predates celts by 2.000yrs.
@@HeavenCanWait7-333 you started the pedanticness that's what that is when people do that you're British too bs they are referring to history but if you're going to get pedantic about history history says different things to work now since because it was different back then that's What Makes history history if you're going to be pedantic make it an art form because all the things you don't know about history are there just waiting to be learnt history is only a mystery if you miss Spell it lol
@@HeavenCanWait7-333 5000 years ago not 2000 2000 years before Celts is 5000 back then Britain was a small collection of Kingdoms Gaelic and Brythonic the ancient Welsh Irish and Scottish the former being the latter and the latter being the former. The Shared culture is shown through neolithic monuments this is where these primary sources comes in archaeological studies a Google stone circles there is a wealth of knowledge might hear on RUclips from people who live near the sites. If you fast forward to 500 a.d. the phrase Britannica is fairly well established in Latin writings this is ideology at work why the Romans called it it after the areas they had overtaken rather than naming it after the places they couldn't Conquer is probably due to them hating anybody different to them which they would then dub inferior this attitude would survive the next 1500 years. in that 1500 years the English rose to power in the wake of invasion Roman Viking Norman this lose sense of identity is probably why why the word Britain is used for the whole Island because they were working off of Roman information rather than Celtic information. the Irish do this invasion worship thing too but in a very different way they use it as a way to feel connected to the rest of the world the English and many modern Nations get scared and we end up in the weird positions we're in today like brexit for example. Before the Neolithic there was barely Five Guys and goat here so that's pretty much the entirety of "British" history lol the abridged and simple version. These kinds of macro information are quite easy to know more so than individual Kings Queens and the like who often turn out to be semi mythical or possibly entirely made up by modern standards but that's what people tend to think of history as a list of names and dates not at all very falsifiable and best left in the realms of whimsy. to go back into pedantic mode looking up the etymology of the word British would probably tell you more then my attempt to explain it because I have to try and imagine what they were thinking. One could try and guess what they were thinking but but things were radically different 1000 years ago 5 times that amount we're talking about people who were barely white because white people were a new thing back then blue eyes only having recently emerged time is one hell of a drug lol.
Just imagine if the Australian gov signed proper trade agreements. We would still be building cars and processing our own raw materials.
@@krabbypaddy3159 both major parties pos and the smaller parties are morons. So we are f?$ked!!
General Motors shafted us, they took a half billion $ hand out of tax payer money to keep producing cars in Aust, and they had no intention of doing so.
They closed shop, kept the money and gave the Aust public the bird. Look at the history of GM, they are now and always have been one of the worst "corporate citizens" around.
Look at the hand outs they accepted in the US after the GFC, and yet they still reduced the workforce.
Govt is good at handing out corporate welfare with no checks or balances, but still shaft the Aust taxpayer at every turn, but it's not just the Govt at blame here, GM (and Ford, and Nissan, and Mitsubishi), had no intention of continuing production in Aust.
Good riddance to them, nothing more than arseholes.
Too many dumb cunts vote Liberal Party
@Broharn nah mate, even MORE progressive. Greens
Green & Alp push up business costs, why manufacturing closed
If anyones wondering this is sold as a hsv clubsport over here in australia. on that topic here we are 10 years later and holden is dead in australia RIP.
It's also clubsport in NZ
RIP
@Coronavirus not in NZ can get them for less than a grand but looking around 5 to 10 grand for really well looked after ones
They are garbish
@Coronavirus yeah but for how long? Once they stop repairing and servicing holdens they will be worthless.
What I love about these australian sports cars is they're all about simplicity with excellent results.
They're basically really good muscle cars in disguise - and that's coming from an Australian
Big engine? Four doors? Get fucked, bimmer nerds
Not a sports car mate - that’s our everyday drive 👍🏻🙂
@@KeepItSimpleSailor its a shitbox
@@TheAlps36As an American who's fallen in love with AUDM cars, here's how I see it. Aussies and Americans both love big, cheap power, and big V8s.
However, American muscle cars are more catered towards driving in straight lines on tarmac, doing stoplight races when the cops aren't looking, and only having a backseat for insurance purposes.
Australian muscle, on the other hand, is different. The Holden Commodore and Ford Falcon are full-size 4-door sedans. They're designed for Bathurst racing, drifting across the Australian outback, and most importantly, hooning with your mates. Don't want a backseat? They come in Ute variants for utility (and quick burnouts). Even the Monaro has pretty good backseat room for being a 2-door coupe. It's truly a tragedy that GM and Ford both left Australia and took nothing with them.
Only 0.3 seconds slower than a Porsche 911 Turbo yet just a fraction of the price
probably quicker it was wet after all
This sounds familiar 🤔
@@holden002 we mustn't forget that it's been raining
Pile of junk
Fraction of the quality too.
It pains me greatly that falcons and commodores (and the greater holden brand)are now extinct
@Kwistenbiebel200 Such patriotism! You are what is wrong with this country. Running away as fast as you can from being an actual Australian and won’t support anything from Australia lest you be judged as a “bogan”. Bet you drive a European car “because it makes me look sophisticated” and spend all your time and money buying imported things to impress people who don’t actually give a shit about you.
I’ll keep being a proud Australian driving my V8 Commodore thanks very much. Dickheads might think I’m a bogan but that’s ok because I don’t give a shit about dickheads!
@@David-lr2vi she probably buys goon so I bet she’s as bogan as it gets tbh, sounds like your typical wine mum driving a diesel Audi bought on hubbies credit
@@nathanchan2037 😂
Don’t worry. I’m sure China will build a factory here at some stage.
@@David-lr2vi love my commodore, entire fam has em cause just so damn good
Beautiful car the R8. Holden will be missed by both Australia and New Zealand
This makes me proud to be an aussie
Holden ALWAYS in MIND WILL MISS YOU FROM NZ V8
Lol nothing Ozzie about it... it’s a shared South Korean car Vauxhall and Opal the only Ozzie thing about it is the badge that started as a leather upholstery company, Walkingshaw was engineered in Scotland lol. Like he said everything from Europe is above it !
General Motors isn't aussie
@@adisk1785 Holden is, not purely made by Australia but meant for Australia
Fucken oth
For the life of me, I can't understand why they rebranded Holden cars as Vauxhalls. Australia in itself is a good brand. It speaks to reliability and quality, that kind of brand recognition adds value. The Vauxhall badge was just "cheaper than a VW". Holden knew their corner of the market and they nailed it. They built comfortable cars for yobbos. They weren't competing with Audi, the were competing with Ford, and they were building unique cars, albeit ones that all looked the same.
Because Vauxhall has been making cars since 1903. Why would you try establishing a new name in a market you've been in since 1925?
Australian engineering Made in Britain
For for decades Opals and Vauxhalls have been rebadged as holdens and sold over here. Thankfully a few had the drivelines upgraded and ran 308 V8s instead of 4 cyl
@@UFO-047 Except where they replaced a superior 1.9L Opel 4 with the awful backfire, I mean Starfire 1.9L 4cyl.
@@aaronleverton4221 I dont know anything about the 4 cylinders or cars they came out in over here. Way too small motors (or cars) for me to have any interest in
About the only thing I do know is the old diesel Geminis got great fuel economy, but a slug. Never had or drove one tho
R.I.P HOLDEN.
one of the best car companies in the world
@Luke Dixon what the fuck are talking about
Luke Dixon what color are you? At least he doesn’t hide his profile...
@Luke Dixon I’m not the one asking others of their color like you, so I thought I’d give you a dose of your own medicine, as I don’t see how it is relevant to the original conversation. Perhaps you’d like to elaborate on that one?
GM, which own the name Holden are one of the worst corporate citizens in the world. Holden has existed as a name only for decades.
@@iffracem they’ve been around for over a century actually making horse saddles at first and i don’t care about the people who ran holden i liked the fact they made cars for everyone from tiny little 1.5 litre hatch backs to 6.2 litre supercharged V8s
What amazes me here is that the Australian car is by far the best looking and most modern out of the bunch in design. Kinda makes me proud.
Crude AF though in comparison with the Germans though.
Absolutely loved my Holden(s) over the years. Such a shame they've stopped making them. There is no comparison in my opinion. Just stunning looking cars with an engine sound you can pick without looking.
With you on the engine, but all Australian cars are pig ugly
@@horse5407 lol, some of the Holden models weren't pretty, but a few were /are worth admiring. But I'm biased, I grew up with Holden's in the drive, nothing else was ever parked there. My dad came home with a Sunbird one day and said it was his newest car. We were horrified. He was joking, it was only on loan until his new car was ready, which would've been a HQ or thereabouts.
I've got the only L31 T400 in my suburb .
@@horse5407 My 78 Premier is no ugly duck and it's as quick as f**k !
"This could only come from a country that didn't sign up for the Kyoto agreement"
That hurt my soul
Fucking Howard, wasted so much potential and ruined so much shit.
What a joke of comment.. your time is over bot bot
0:44............bonkers..............
@@seanoreilly1832 the comment can't have been that bad, look at how many people upvoted it. If it's a bot it's a good one
The VE was and always will be the best handling Holden/hsv when it comes to steering with both back wheels spinning
I own a VE senator I brought it in Perth WA It took two days to drive back to Sydney.
All hail the mighty HSV.
Cars (and most other things ) seem to cost more in WA...
Rip hsv
2 days....😅😅😅 IYKYK
It’s sad because in Europe you won’t see cars like this ever again
Edit: *Make* Cars like this again.
Why?
@@lvpo8866 because of emissions and regulations that naturally aspirated 6.2 V8 in a small saloon won’t be seen again
@@dazzaMusic ...Why tho
That and Holden no longer exists, so no one will ever see cars like this again.
just buy used cars like all car guys
If this car was sold in the US, I’d have absolutely bought one.
They pretty much did. The G8 GXP and, later, the Chevy SS. Neither were HSV versions but great fun.
@@carsarethereason7111 Was the G8 GXP offered with a manual ‘box?
Robert Mintun Yes it was and the SS too.
The last generation of Pontiac GTO was a 2 door version of this car rebadged for the US.
Shows how well it was marketed in the US and why it never did anything. Could've been good for GM
I remember one time I was cycling in Manchester. I saw a Holden Cruze, literally, a freakin' Holden! It still had the Aussie plates on it too! Victoria ones I think. I also saw a HSV in red one time as well!
did you know that Holden cruzes are actually just daewoos? Chevy cruzes are also that as well. My best friend has one, it’s actually not a horrible car to drive lmao.
@@gusmusicau not a horrible car, but its not a real holden
OF COURSE they were bloody vic plates. Only a Victorian.
Vic plates are the scourge of Australia. Nobody else but Victorians keeps their plates on or seems to roam as far. Bloody cockroaches.
In Australia 2017 hsv gts is 99k ' Bmw m2 is 90k lol
I love the M2, but I still would pick the HSV.
@SnifMikeRotch AND.. the M2 is a small car. The HSV/Holden is a full size car.
Now GTS is worth 130-140K second hand lmao
@@mrmartintin4531 No Elizabeth 😂😂😃
@@kanerevell3128 only to Bogan deadshits.
We don't make cars in Australia anymore and it hurts just thinking about it.
Holden is one of the most underrated car companies of all time, just try and change my mind, you won't.
Campbell McKenzie they moved production from Australia
They’re non-existent
@@jackcrute8606 ...
LOL. No Holden was ever built outside Australia. Some were assembled (not built.. assembled) in New Zealand.
paspax damn so when the factory in elizabeth closed and one opened in thailand they were still being built in Australia?
@@jackcrute8606 .
Holdens were never built in thailand.
GM had a factory in thailand. It was not a Holden factory. That factory did not build Holdens.
That Holden will last years, I have 300,000 kms on mine and its 20 years old. All the Euro cars will be broke by 100,000km. This is something overlooked by the motoring industry. When something breaks on a Euro car, it costs more than the car to fix it.
Australian roads are full of 15-20 year old Holdens.
@@MWElliott82 Yep theres heaps of VT's-VZ's around
@Dirty Harry ..
At 300k, if you haven't already I reckon you want to have a look at the heater tap. (RH side engine bay under the brake booster).
They're made of plastic and get crumbly.
Cheap, easy to replace. Do it before it fails and leaves you stranded.
87 vl v8 400kms on the cloxk
I have my 2011 falcon xr6 250,000 kms and reliable as all hell. I will say that while its cheap to maintain a commodore or falcon, in Aus/NZ compared to the German cars, thats just a problem with it being international. A heater core from my mums mercedes cost literally cost 3 times as much as the same part in Germany.
And Europe is full with 15-20 year old European cars.
"As feminine as a burst sausage" 🤣😂
Jeremie does Australia proud
6:04 Clarkson could've redeemed himself from that godawful accent if he just said "Akkadakka"
The thing about the V8 Holden GTS Monaro was that they made the best Shagging Wagons in the World..
Jeremy actually said that he'd choose an E60 5 Series over the Holden/Vauxhall based on looks. As an Australian, there could be no greater insult.
GM said: “it’s brilliant! Let’s kill it.”
Like, the ‘89 Fiero, the RWD Monte Carlo, the Oldsmobile brand, the EV-1 and the “reimagined”2021 Blazer (the last one is a recommendation, actually)
I mean they just weren't selling. The last models were really great cars but people just didn't want sedans any more.
What an amazing review on the car honest and accurate
A people's car from the land down under kept up with a Porche 911. Let that sink in.
@M Lama I don't disagree with a word you say. The holdens are a maintenance dog, thanks to the American parts. And the company sunk thanks to the American mangament. But it was fun whilst it lasted.
@M Lama ..
Every motor vehicle manufacture buys in parts from outside businesses. That does not mean that the cars they produce are any less "theirs".
@M Lama LS is from Mexico
Comparing in the wet would make a big difference. The other car of course to compare would have been the Ford Typhoon or F6. That is deadly fast with very good handling. But it's all history now.
Every time they ever reviewed a Holden... the track was always wet... every time...
Now that couldn't possibly be they didn't want to upset the Euro manufacturers with their over priced complex garbage now could it...
Mmmm nope, this is the only one where the track was wet lol.
@@TheStigHCE09 ruclips.net/video/pHVwt4d3AuI/видео.html @ 50secs is one example. Please check before claiming knowledge.
@@ImmortalInflames Cool. Now look at the Monaro VXR (S06E11), the VXR8 Bathurst S (S13E07, the Maloo (S13E07). All on a bone dry track.
But please, go on about how I'm the one not doing the research.
Just england mate it pisses rain all the fucking time
Did you actually just try call British weather a conspiracy?
It also keeps costing less over the years, it'll do a million kms with good maintenance, the Germans will cost more than a house to cover half that.
I loved it when he reviewed the Monaro and when he switched on the traction control the "computer" says in a very heavy Aussie accent "You bloody poofta!"
Built in Adelaide South Australia.
Buying into the image of driving an import in Australia was the death sentence for Australian car manufacturing
And when imports arrived that were, frankly better and more cost effective than the "home grown" alternative, what happened?
The Govt introduced import tariffs to "protect" the industry.
Did the industry use this protection to improve their product and make it competitive with the imports?
Did they make better cars at less cost for the consumer, seeing we were already paying for these tariffs anyway) (the consumer always carries the costs of tariffs, manufacturers don't)
No, they continued to make crap cars but raised the prices to just below imported+tariff prices, and all being owned by multinationals, kept the difference in offshore bank accounts.
The first commodore was an imported design, an Opel. A 4 cylinder Opel design that they shoe horned a decades old push rod 6 cylinder into.
The V6 commodore? Powered by an already asthmatic Buick engine.
Give me a break, Holden stopped being Holden in the late 50's Ford are just as bad, but at least their later engines and cars were actually designed here.
@@iffracem seriously i rather get a Toyota than a Holden nowaday
SUVS that's what people want.
Someone working at top year 10-20 years ago really liked queens of the stone age. I've heard this, sick sick sick, spiders and vingeraroons, and a couple others. Always bizarre but welcome.
I’ve got the same car, still goes hard 🙌
I had the R8 VE maloo.
Fantastic thing to drive and so much fun.
All you people on here bleating Holden should've never closed.
I'll ask you this how many of you bought Holden's and supported local or just jumped on the BMW Mercedes ego trip.
Holden's only gone because people stopped buying.
I would have the VXR8 over the BMW M5. It's fast, it's fun, it's very good looking for a saloon car and it's a Vauxhall you'd actually might want to by. That should have been Top Gear's car of the year 2007. I can't believe none of them thought of nominating it as their car of the year.
Disgusting how they shut down "Holden".Being a Aussie was crushed.Im sure I'm not alone😯
It’s a shame they didn’t review more Aussie holdens and fords
this is generally classified as the hoon-mobile, because people who drive these, normally drive them like how jeremy's driving it
Clarksons lap commentary was bloody hilarious
Every "downside" is just another thing we love about our cars. It's shame our small population and the gov made it as physically unprofitable as possible
Jeremy sounded a lot more South African than Australian
He did alright
Not even close to a yarpy
or a bloody kiwi Lol
Correction. It’s a rebadged Holden
@mujjuman this race was meant for this price-class - for the price of the VXR8 you get this BMW, Mercedes and Audi ;-)
In Australia clubsport lsa is 83k ' Bmw 340 sedan is 90k . Which one would you buy ?
Ben Chesterman Clubsport all the way...it has a bullet proof engine, affordable servicing costs, and now, if very well looked after, will hold its value!
I have no plans to ever sell my VE calais sportwagon v8.
In a couple years I’m sure you could my brother picked up his VS clubsport for around 15k 11 years ago it’s now going to for around 40-80k and it’s not even a classic car yet
@@catherinenicholls1018 I remember seeing VS senator 215s for under 20k, try find one now. I'm already wanting to park my wagon in the shed and baby it.
@@Darndiddlyarn aye I’m putting in a criminal injury compensation through to courts about a guy who threw a brick at my head, apparently I could get 75 grand out of it. So I could even go for a Monaro I saw a few low priced ones around the 30grand price range. Only problem is that CiC could take a year to finish which by then it’ll probably be a bit late to buy some of the higher priced Holden’s
As of right now I’m poor cause I’ve just spent around 10 grand driving from Perth to Queensland
Love that they played QotSA to this.
Love the Australian commentary in the end
I want one , if i ever have the money it will be FIRST on my list ,
At the top of my list , the first thing i buy ,
You get the message ,
I love this car
I remember baffling some English people when we asked directions to Beaulieu (a joining of French words meaning "beautiful place") as we did our best to pronounce it in its native French accent. "OOHW! {chuckle,chuckle}, you mean Buelee". So those insisting we Aussies are wrong in our pronunciation of Bathurst is akin to the French saying that to the English I guess
Gotta love when people say Barnes dale
this is what happens when you give a flamenwerfer to topgear's camera crew, classic
Is it weird that the speedo is in kph but the fuel economy is mpg? Also, I want more 4 door saloon cars that are manuals here in the states. I know it's not impossible to convert a panther body or something like that but America is really missing a trick with its transmission illiteracy.
Sadly the days of Holden are over. Last Holden rolled out of the Factory in 2017. The MPG thing is probably a UK conversion, here in Australia we use pure metric for most things.
If you looked real keenly, the speedo was actually in MPH as well, not just km/h. 180 mph tops, heh heh heh
Oh, and R.I.P. Holden. 😔🤦
I’m really debating on whether I want to buy a gto monaro vxr or Holden 6.0. If anyone has one I’m in need
When I hear holden . I think quality. Loosing holden and it's manufacturing expertise only weakened Australia.
So much for the government of “good economic management”. Bunch of corrupt spineless real estate agents
Holden as a brand has an 80% failure rate they're horrible cars.
Jerrrmy: I’ve in thought it’s a bit Australian
Me : lichely cracks up
As an Australian, I find it embarrassing that the commodore was sold as a Vauxhall, and I’m a Ford bloke.
he can't nail the accent, but he does a good Tony Grieg
OP, you got any more of them pixels.. pliiis?
That fact that they drove in a rainy day the car wouldn't be fast now if they drove it in a sunny day mate🔥🔥🔥🔥💯💯💯💯
The price of Holden’s now tho... utes selling for over $1m in auction...
Saw that, 1 of 4 ever made, looks like a regular old Maloo in my opinion haha
That's not exactly common lol
6:19 cracks me up every bloody time haha
It's crazy that Holden made more American cars than America does, especially because they were owned by GM. Except "posi" is only for trucks to them.
in australia this is a clubsport right?
Yes they also made a higher trim level called the Clubsport R8 and then there’s the high performance version called the GTS then the limited version with insane power and interior called the W427 with the LS7 engine.
That mock Australian accent that came out of Jezza though... 🤣☠️
Why was there no Opel VXR8 ??
Might be made in Australia with an American engine but the HSV "moronic" styling is done by a Englishman. HSV's would have looked better if they were styled by Australians. To chintzy for my tastes.
THis is you best review ever
One of General Motors most interesting brands. Briefly on the owned one the USA
@mujjuman TopGear want to demonstrate how much "Car" you get for your money - in this case, newer Australian / American Musclecars are worth it =)
Why did they shut down the factory in Adelaide south Australia for? It was like 15 minutes away from my house
because the government refused to fund the car industry anymore. As soon as the government incentives were gone so were the factories.
we ended up with State LNP and Federal LNP that was a death sentence to industry in Adelaide. We were fortunate the Labor government held on as long as they could and in hindsight allowing GM and Ford to leave Australia was a gigantic fucking mistake that should never have happened.
God I fucking hate Liberals and their supporters.
This car got the coveted "Chef's Kiss" award...
It’s that Ocka Aussie mentality that Jezza mocks that also destroyed Holden/Ford in Australia as most Australians cringe at that stereotypical image even tho it’s a bit funny it can also be very derogatory and harsh to other ppl who don’t fit the ‘mould’ of a traditional Aussie . . .
cannot find any for sale In europe these days...
What episode is this
what’s model is ?
Holden versions way sexier, also 6.2 litre versions and lsa versions
Isn't that the infamous E60 M5 that he's comparing the Holden/Vauxhall to?
"Dainty as a hob nail boot!" Yeah mate yeah mate yeah mate yeah!
One day.....
.... I will own a Holden🤘🏻
“OUT OF THE WAY GERMANS!”
If only the suspension from Holdens could have made American cars better handling. Aside from seeing the 2004 to 2006 Pontiac GTO, Pontiac G8, or Chevrolet Caprice police car. We didn't get much of a proper handling car under the General Motors division built from where the brands all started.
Aussie Aussie Aussie
oi oi OI !!!
The 2005 VZ Holden Monaro are now selling for $100,000 Australian.
It's a shame we don't make cars here any more.
The fact they put it under the name a “Vauxhall” and not a “Holden” makes me mad
Mine's been rebadged from new...sort of feels a bit better for it.
You bring everything on that list to
Mt Panarama Bathurst AU and Then Compare I Bet it’s a Different Story in Placement
@DonKosaken ohhh i see. thats cool. there are a few different ways to compare cars, price range, as well as engine output etc.
Well it's got 4 doors & powered by an engine the Yanks threw out, even Australians think it's ' just ok ', as a great V8, & slapping a Vauxhall badge on it would just make it go slower out of shame, that name belongs on a car your Nan drives to church. I would gives my thumbs to see an SS Torana or Monaro do that track, & my Ford brothers & sisters will definitely have their own picks. In short, well presented, thank you for getting our seafood correct, but don't judge Australian cars that are made for us by people who have no idea, Aussie Aussie Aussie ...
Britain and UK had the same car but it was called the Vauxhall vxr8
loved my two VLs great open road car with a Nissan 6. pretty good in a crash too :(
my brother sold his VL to a guy like 10 years ago and he crashed it, wonder if it was you :p
Now i want a holden
Yet our Conservative government dared them to leave. So much the government of “good economic management”
When other Australians claim "they're proud to be an Aussie" when they didn't put a single second of effort building one of these Australian-built cars.
Aww boo hoo, people are proud of supporting local businesses instead of sending their money overseas, Won't somebody think of the Chinese factories!
wanna know why australia wasnt in the kyoto treaty? cause our air quality is actually good LOL
@Theriomalstrom Based on the same car, but this is a rebadged version of the Holden Special Vehicles VE Club Sport R8. HSV being the performance tuning wing of Holden
I can’t believe that he said the engine was American, actually the foundation for post 2005 V8’s in the US is off an AUSTRALIAN DESIGN. Fact.
No one mentions the Commodore Evoke 3.0 litre.