The Problem with the FL Studio Limiter
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- Опубликовано: 27 авг 2018
- I explain more context for this video in the comments
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man rambles about a stock fl plugin for 12 minutes
The problem is nobody is educated about headroom. you shouldn't be limiting every single thing and peaking it like he is showing. I like to leave myself 6-7 dB of headroom and keep everything in the green. This way you will never have the problem of not being able to achieve certain dynamics you may want between your snare and kick, pads, and synths for example. All your maximizing and dynamics should be taken more seriously in the mastering stage. The mixing stage is all about being creative and having fun, settling out filters and creating reverbs in the mix.
your trippin. very helpful what he is saying.
@@mattlange5890 I think he was talking about mastering stage. Good point though.
@@mattlange5890 Wait wait wait, you get the joke though, right?
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Just replace the Limiter with a few Soundgoodizers ;)
Now this guy knows how to make stuff SOUND GOOOOOOD
Soundgoodizer is Maximus. Maximus uses the Fruity Limiter's algorithm. So...
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When i first got fl i knew nothing about music and fl limiter diddnt come properly so it said there is no fruity limiter, and i was like 'my stuff can be unlimited'
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Some extra context to this video below:
I made this video as a response to many of the project files I receive during livestreams.
A great deal of them still had the default fl limiter on their project, almost always negatively impacting their mixes.
Function wise it works the way it's intended. I don't think I claim that limiter itself is broken (besides that weird sidechain thing) but more the sound you get from it is not great (even after tweaking I still preferred the Pro-L).
The title can be interpreted many ways:
"The problem with the FL Studio Limiter".... is that it's default preset isn't great for mastering.
"The problem with the FL Studio Limiter"... is that it's on by default when you install FL so beginners are very often unaware of it and how it affects their mixes.
Not everything addressed in the video is an inherent problem of Fruity Limiter. Lots of plugins cause latency, so for any of those plugins, if you have stuff not routed to a mixer track first, they won't get PDC (Plugin Delay Compensation).
Comparing the two limiters when release and attacks are different isn't the fairest comparison but the point was more to demonstrate that the default one isn't great settings for mastering and should be tweaked further.
It's cool to see the discussion that's come from the video. I probably could have done a better job at explaining and demonstrating my points.
Thanks for Auvic for bringing up a lot of these points in his response video:
ruclips.net/video/n19-SMW_SeE/видео.html
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"NOTE: The limiter section can be effectively bypassed by turning the ceiling (CEIL) to max and attack (ATT) to minimum." from the manual. also keep in mind you can overwrite the "default" preset to have your own preset loaded everytime you open any plugin.
cocorinow you actually read the manual????
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Be careful to not be clipping 👌
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no limit for your fruitiness either
If your bus takes +12dB then you probably have an other big problem
"No master is better than a bad master" Daddy Dylan knows what's up.
Agreed 😂😂😂
Super in depth and really informational . . . thank you for this
I've been using FL for years and always wondered why this happened!
Thanks for sharing this~
trying to understand all this broke my puny brain
Basically what I'd say is, turn off the Limiter until you're comfortable mixing with EQs and Compressors and then when you're having issues with mixdowns or a master being a bit too loud at points but you want to keep it consistent and below 0db, use FLs Limiter - it's actually not as bad as this video makes out
Never watched one of your videos without learning! Keep up the good work ;)
You were talking about this on the stream
THANK YOU. Took me a very long time to realise this while starting out.
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Thanks dude i have been struggling with my overrall output for a long time and you have just hit the spot for me. I am only dependant on fl studios for my music eversince i started learning production on my own from scratch on youtube. I remember at first i saw your video a but did not get a single thing of what you were sayi lol now have come across it 2nd time it lit that whole shit up :) thanks man
Amazing video! never cared about the limiter option before while sidechaining with the compressor
THANKS HUGE DIFFERENCE! BEEN NEEDING THIS KNOWLEDGE !
3:10 realizes you can actually change release time
lmaooooo Real man of genius
Great tips.
Ive always thought that about the default master limiter.
Learned a valuable tip with that sidechain info as well.
Cheers!
Fantastic video man. very useful yet entertaining
this was actually super helpful thanks!
@1:04 I freaking love you man! Thank you for your content.
You can turn the soft saturation knob (the red one) juuuust a little bit down so that it stays at 0.0 and still works. It retains the punchiness and works really well. I feel that sidechain part though. Happens a lot and I end up scratching my head for a min
So, in other words, it is a really good limiter :D if you know how to use it.
and ok limiter.
The comments : "the default setting doesn't sound good therefore it's bad"
Kooce a lot of stock things are trash. Get off the bandwagon.
I love it tbh my music rocks with it
@Kooce It depends on what your settings are. You can do a lot with it, you just have to know how to use it rather than just use the default setting or its presets
Great tutorial and painkiller for FL Limiter! I've also had the problem until I started to listen to what each param is actually doing :D but I have many bad mixes because of the FL Limiter...
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Ableton limiter does what its job is, and the first time ive used ableton i immediately noticed the significant difference in sound and dynamics.. as dylan shows it was indeed the limiter, i would later replace the stock limiter with a Waves L1 limiter and it sounded the same in dynamic the way ableton was in the first place wirh its stock limiter..
This is a very important tip. There are projects I've worked on without knowing this ... It's very hard to fix loudness or dynamic range when something goes wrong due to the balance set on the limiter settings
THANK YOU THIS HELPED OUT A LOT!
This saved me I always had to go the extra mile trying to mix and edit never understanding why everything didn’t fit together putting instruments in and always wondering why they sound like glue when together but when you listen to a song everything sounds nice and apart and then I figured out forever I was trying to work around fruity fucking limiter that was fucking everything up. It sucks cause u spent days tho mixing on some stuff and working around it and when I removed it, it all sounds like shit but I guess it won’t be the end of the world to go in and edit every mix but it always made me not wanna produce cause I never understood why it always was like stuck and glued together and as kinda a beginner I just thought it was me and left it as that. I always had to lower the volume and make it quieter to sound better and once I found out that this thing was always spawning in like a leach it really helped me. I noticed it before but thought it was just there and never did anything assume when it’s on default it doesn’t change anything so I left it always and I finally realized it’s fucking everything. Make my kicks so muddy and just garbage. I’m not the best mixer I really have no clue what I’m doing but finding that pile of steaming shit is the reason my stuff sounds so glued and stuck together it makes sense. It was limiting everything and brick walling it essentially so everything was forced to fight over each other instead of be free and work in layers so the lead and kick were always fighting and same with everything else. Every instrument I added the more glued it sounded and I always had to fight to work around it to solve that and I never really did till now.
THANK YOU! That explains so much!
I usually have a sidechain ghost to prevent that issue at the end, it won't change if it's always at the very left (Or any place where you like putting your sidechain ghost). Plus it gives you more control because you can have the ghost trigger sidechaining when the kick isn't playing maybe at a buildup or something.
ps, dylan, this is one of the best informative vids you've posted! THANK U BUDDDYYY
(omg the metal gear noise just happened LMFAO)
Subscribed to U, it's great that we got new tricks to deal with the limiter..
I think it's an issue that there is no decelerating curve REL 2 setting like in maximus.
Also an integrated adjustable High Pass filter for the sidechain signal would be great, even if that can be solved using an extra mixer channel.
Thanks for telling me about the issue with limiter! I bet i did that mistake many times.
Please make more videos like this
Throughout the video i thouth "shit, how am i gonna sidechain now"?
I use Pro-L too for limiting. But i always had the fruity limiter on the master (cause its there by default). Hope that changing that will fix things
I use fruity peak controller to sidechain ruclips.net/video/QhoNlNPB73E/видео.html, jump to 4:04 in this vid. For my limiting I turn all the envelopes down in Fruity Limiter, boost the gain, then adjust the ceiling if I want an sort of clipping on the track.
I dont think thats the best approach.
Because when you change the volume manually, you can make it full quite and still hear some effects for eg reveerb on there. Hard to explain, but that is why some people use fruity balance to make a mixer track go abrupt full quite when it needs to (through automation).
You can still use Fruity Limiter to sidechain. Just make sure the ceiling on the limiter tab is high (or the input isn't going past 0 db in the first place). Dylan even explained this in the video.
2TheWindoBeats DONT sidechain in the mixer with this technique, bibd it to a fruity balancer for example or an compressor, but not on the mixer rack!
Jurgen there is nothing bad in setting ceil to 0db. This is a feature, not bug, that u can use FLimiter as limiter and compressor two in one.Increasing ceilings means that you only use the compression part of this plugin. Fruity Limiter is practically compressor too.
If I wanted to use the limiter as a side chain only, wouldn’t I also have to turn down the gain knob in conjunction to turning down the attack knob?
i use ableton, i dont know why did i even watch this whole video.
at least i learned something about atack an release times
Welp, I usually mix at -12 so I never really noticed these XD
I use Maximus anyway for mastering.
Thnx bro for sharing it.
I just realized that I always had the limiter on😭
Same lol
quality content as always
Hy Dylan and thank's for this.
There are many DAW's ... so everyone can use what he like (FL Studio, Cubase, Ableton ...) :D.
All the Best for your Work Dylen and all "Music Makers" too + nice days ;)
Thank you for this ! I like.
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i mean woah this vst is fruity so pls no rude
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Very helpful
Thanks Dylan 🙂
How to take off the Limiter, if I already started the project, but i did not know that thing? :) And I don't want to start it from the beginning again?
Very informative video.
I`m listing to this with headphones I honestly can hear that much of a difference.
THANK YOU
Great explanation tutorial, thanks :)
Would you recommend using the compression tab if one wants to compress only, because then you can compress whilst seeing the wave form?
Been confused about compression for a while and I think I'm getting it.. but how does compression and sidechaining work together? when I sidechain, without compression, my bass still overpowers my kicks
Thats because the compressor is the one "lowering" the gain, so no compressor = no gain reduction
I have a problem that i dont think is related to the limiter itself but in my tune the volume randomly gets lowered. this happens usually 3 or 4 times in the song but at random moments.. can somebody help me out?
can anyone tell me the best way to sidechain ?? something which wont kill my cpu , and sounds decent , any help / video links would be appreciated.
dynamic eq
I've been producing on FL for the last 11 years, and honestly the default limiter with the +6db boost helps me immensely with the mix, it makes everything sound like ass if things too loud in peak volume, then when everything is done I take out the limiter and I know I have a solid 6db of headroom to polish and master with. Sure u could use another limiter, but this uses barely any CPU and is usually already loaded up :)
Right... most people dont get the thing with the limiter. I do it like you say...i produce into the limiter and switch it off at the end before rendering my mixdown which goes into a master project anyway. But the limiter on the master bus gives me some pre-master that i can work with. I start with the kick at about -12 db...then bass and the other stuff...i always land at about -6 db without the limiter at the end...plenty headroom for mastering. 👍👍👍
Watching this and cringing realizing I sidechain by creating an automation clip for the gain so it manually gets quiet for a second when the kick hits instead of actually using the sidechain feature
Really nice video! How would I turn on PDC (Plugin Delay Compensation) though?
@Kooce Alright thanks ^^. Just thought it might be off by default since he mentioned it as if it had to be turned on.
what happens if you don't have any kind of limiter on the master do you just get hella distortion?
Stock FL compressors and maximized have a “master” preset you can try in place of default limiter
How does one sidechain with FL Limiter i can never figure it out! Help playzzzz!
I 'm trying to learn to make hip hop trap beat can you do a tutorial on for exemple i saw your trap beat like metro bommin and it helped me
8:30 actually this was so annoying for me because in my personal template, I had the kick on insert 11 and all the synths on 1-10 meaning I had to adjust the sidechain whenever I routed a new synth track to sidechain Channel. Seriously, other Plugins manage to change this for you, why not one of the 3 stock plugins I use :thinking:
I mean you could always move your drums to inserts 1-10 with your kick on insert 1 and have your synths on insert 11 onwards in your default template, that's what I do
Dylan should make videos on how to mix cause I'd like to get better at it
in my flstudio the limiter compresses the signal before 0 DB, it is not limited in the correct 0DB. Could you tell me what the problem might be and tell me how to solve it? please
What about maximizer? Is there a better version of that plugin?
Is it bad to produce with the default limiter on when you start up fl??
Great vid fam preciate you
The last thing about side chaining has happened to me so many fkn time i hate it
thank you
Guys im stuck! mine only shows swirls and says its paused? HELP!
What software do you use to edit your videos?
*Also could you maybe show how you edit them? youre really good with it*
hello, good video, I have a question and I would love you to solve it if you can !, look, I have in fl studio 20 and a keyboard that I connect it by midi and it works perfectly in the program! I can change tones and listen to them by earphone, but now the question comes, I would like to be able to make what I play by keeping it in the program, I mean if I play a song on the keyboard, it stays in fl studio at the speed that the touch and others, and then edit and save it, but I can not find the option, just let me do it manually with the mouse, I would love you to answer me! Greetings and thank you! ;)
just record it (button with red circle). you can record what you are palying into piano roll, or into playlist. it depends on your choosing of pattern or song mode. you can filter, what you want to record (automations, audio, notes, clips) by right click on the mosue over this record button
Do you think it's good to use it for sidechain or does it compress everything you're sidechainning?
Thanks man
This is why I always set my main sidechain to Fruity Balance. More control also.
For master, Multiband Compressor + Maximus = Awesome!
Maximus works as multiband compressor too :)
KaptainKool101 I usually.... call me crazy.... but I use a transient processor on “Max highs” (tweaked ofc), Maximus, and multiband. Don’t listen to my music on my channel though, Che k the SoundCloud 😅
@@Stankboynastyplaya Wait, you're using a transient processor on your master?
@@Stankboynastyplaya LOL
For the issue of ordering your sidechain inputs and accidentally rearange them. I usually handled it like this: left most mixer track is my SIDECHAIN track. This track will not play audio to the master track, it will be silenced and just for sidechain purposes. Then i route every signal that should control the sidechaining to this track. So all the kicks, maybe the snares and so on will be routet to this SIDECHAIN track. (Since this track will not play through master, they are still routed to the master itself, as i said this track will just be used for sidechaining your song). Then lets say i have a bass group that should get sidechained by all the kicks and snares. This track has a Fruity Limiter on it. Since i combined all the kicks and snares into one single SIDECHAIN track i can now sidechain this Bass group by the SIDECHAIN track. Notice how this SIDECHAIN track is the left most track all the time. Now you can rearrange all your mixer tracks without effecting the order of them for sidechaining (since you have only one track which controls sidechaining, which is always the left most track)
best video u make ! bro
ay man i make hiphop/trap and that kinda stuff myself but u have been sharing some very good tips i can use thanks a lot!
wow i love your videos
Why does he say by default everytime it's available? If it's available how do i know it?
Thank you for good lesson brother
The Rick Rubin Meme made me spit my drink out.
Does this also happen when I use FL limiter for side chain?
Thanks for the tips
is the Ceil of Maximus (on saturation section) anyway better than the Fruity Limiter? I feel like so, but I don't have really good ears, I don't trust so much on my ears yet.
It's only enabled when you set the threshold to left or right, and right feels better, more controlled for me.
(btw, I don't use the Maximus's wave shaper as limiter)
nope, is the same only without threshold control.
without threshold it doesn't even work. I'm refering to the Ceil from saturation section, not the waveshaper
Limiter has only 1 saturation mode and Maximus has 2. U must switch to one of them (right or left ) to choose one. Saturation doesnt work staying in the middle of.
I'm beginner in production. What is the différence by sidechaining with limiter and sidechaining by Peak controller ? Thx guys
limiter - is using compression to duck the audio. Peak controller is ducking the volume (if you route it from a fruity balance or something)
okay i see and what do you recommand to use ? is there other techniques ?
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Dylan telling me that fruity limiter is shit was enough for me to go and *legally buy* fabfilter pro
Dylan is telling bullshit
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I’m trying to limit myself from making too many shitty puns
I like the soft saturation ceiling in FLs Limiter
Dylan, I need ur help, I don't know why, there is a noise each time that I stop the track, at the first, there is no problem, but then, I just play the playlist with all the patrons that I was made, and it is like in any space of silence, starts the noise, I don't know how to stop it, I already finish my song, please help
i knew this but still idk why how i forget to switch it off
Maximus doubles as a limiter, but it sounds MUCH better at default, and you can master and compress with it
I can't tell how many times that stupid limiter messed up my tracks
This got me a little confused when it came to the sidechain part.
thanks