This is an amazing video! Thank you Michael for helping so many people out! This is extremely important information, that you articulated so well!! You Rock!!
Would cutting these low frequencies affect the feel on large systems? Say for example, at an edm concert where the bass is heavily emphasized. Or would a song that's been cut feel similar to songs that haven't? Great video! Will be doing my own experimentation.
Hi bendystraw626 marvellous question! Proper high passing not only gives you a louder mx it also gives you greater clarity in the low end so huge bass lines can really sing down there!
Here's a funny story related to sound frequency, when I was in high school. Teacher: We'll test out the highest frequency you guys can hear! Teacher: We're now at 16kHz. Can you guys hear it? Students: Yea I can! (About 25/30 people in class) Teacher: What about at 17kHz? Students: Yea I can! (15/30 peopple) Teacher: 18kHz? Students: Yea I still can hear it!!! (5/30 people) Also teacher: Oh, I didn't have it on.
Question I am working on a beat atm and noticed when my hi hat is on it distorts my kick drum and they are both in different channels on the mixer do you know what or why its doing this?
ah think it has something to do with compression on the main mixing channel to rais the vol of the entire beat. sgould I use compression or the limiter cieling knob?
I've had this issue with my tracks for such long time. Like I've had no idea why my tracks are always so quiet compared to other people's music, no matter how how much I boosted them with compressors and everything while ruining the sound. Maybe for once I will have this issue solved with the help of this.
lol you don't need to see below 20hz...just cut them out and move on...people have been doing this long before spectrum analyzers. Just trying to save you some time/money...
You're my favourite music production RUclipsr man. You've helped me take my music from ok to a level beyond what I thought I was capable of and taught me so much. Thanks a million 🙏
I really want this guy to go viral one day, this is the kind of producing content (but also flying the FL studio flag) that the music making community needs to see
Individually, and it's the first thing you have to do because if yo do it after your compressor, limiter etc will be affecting freqs below 20hz and the result will not be the same. That's what I understood.
No, don't put highpass on your master chain. This will increase peak levels and thus less headroom. If you have low frequencies that are present that you don’t want in your mix, the ideal place to take care of those is in the mix, not in the master where all the elements have already been bussed together.
I used two different EQs to cut everything below 20Hz and above 20kHz but for some reason SPAN still shows that there are frequencies even as low as 5Hz. What's the problem?
Only Great Vibes you can’t get rid of things happening with energy that low. You’re going to have some energy that cycles at lower hertz Watch out for phase changes when using this technique. I recommend cutting before the mix and master to minimize these phase changes. Don’t cut like this if you don’t need it to master. Try both ways, let the loudness targets guide you.
Short sumarize: you will increase the overall volume of the track by cutting away the lowest frequencies that even the speakers dont reproduce. Even if we dont hear them they are still taking audio space and affects the overall loudness negatively
@@XtractoClandestino I would go individualy, since each sounds seperately has more or less of those frequencies that you want to cut away. Different amounts. By cutting away from the master you might accidently cut away too much from certain sounds while not enough from others. Best way I think is individualy
@@XtractoClandestino Here's how I see it - Remember when his speaker was slow pumping in/out trying to recreate those low, difficult to hear frequencies? Now imagine multiple tracks overlapped with each other, each fighting with one another pump the speaker that same way. Then, when you attempt to play your music on top of all of that constant wiggling, it's gonna sound janky, like the song is being jerked all around. Better to get rid of it on all tracks so the speaker can move only when it needs to.
Hey, I've a question: Cutting 20Hz and below results in a spike above 20Hz. And because of that maximizer will limit more aggressively not less as you showed on vid. There is more compression WITH LOWCUT than without (I've tested on different EQs, used also Izotope's Maximizer). Can you explain Michael?
I'd take a look at your EQ settings, my compressor was limiting less with the low cut engaged. You are right about the bump above the cutoff but many EQ's account for this
Hey, bro honestly, I'm not a pro at this, not even a veteran, but I do know about perfectly mixing and mastering my music and every time even though I had just the perfect FX on the master as well as individual buses, it always came down to this loudness issue and this tip was just a life saver. You did mention it in a previous video of yours, but the concept wasn't clear, but it is and I just tried it on a track, I struggled with, and my oh my it already sounded way lot better. Thank You, for doing all this good work for us beginners.🙌🙌😉😉
Wow, this may be the most helpful video I've ever watched! I'm definitely going to cut the super low frequencies that our ears can't hear. I'll probably do it once with an EQ & then save it, so I just have to load it onto the tracks as is. THANK YOU!!!
One thing to keep in mind... Take a tone that is peaking at -1 dB. High-pass it at say 20 Hz. Now, due to phase shift, you're clipping (unless you used a linear phase EQ, which has its own issues). Point being, be aware that applying a filter to an audio source will have unexpected repercussions.
Yeah I noticed that this trick can cause a lot of issues. Even on individual sounds, I would cut out some lows of a snare, and it added 4 more db to the peak and was audibly quieter. Checked a vu meter to confirm my ears. I’m starting to think a less is more approach is best. EQing melodies alone hasn’t caused me issues tho.
@@ProdTheJudge i'm new to this things so I got so confused. so what do we do in these situations? should we not high pass or low pass anything? or do we just adjust how steep the filter is to that is has almost no noticeable phase issues? Also, if the only issue is that it got quieter, should we just raise the gain a little bit if it doesn't really cause anything too destructive to the sound? Sorry for so many questions. I realized the more I learn in this field, the more questions appears in my head 😅
i'm new to this things so I got so confused. so what do we do in these situations? should we not high pass or low pass anything? or do we just adjust how steep the filter is to that is has almost no noticeable phase issues? Also, if the only issue is that it got quieter, should we just raise the gain a little bit if it doesn't really cause anything too destructive to the sound? Sorry for so many questions. I realized the more I learn in this field, the more questions appears in my head 😅
@@gemgemgem1236 You can still HP and LP sounds, but there has to be an intention behind it. I sometimes get issues when I HP snares or bass, especially when I make a sharp cut. The 20hz -18khz EQ2 cut in FL causes issues when I put it on master. Try to put that eq preset on some tracks of yours and watch the db meter. Before I put it on, the master volume will be at say -6db, but after I put it on it can jump to -3db or -4db. So on the peak meter it is showing that it is louder, but it can actually sound quieter to the ears. What works for me in simple terms is that I don’t have an eq on the master or the individual drum/bass sounds, I just level drums and melodies. I do sharper eq cuts on melodies. I’m not a mixing engineer but I do find mixing interesting. After 3 years of making beats I’ve learned that a less is more approach works best, especially when the drum samples and vst sounds are already compressed to sound good.
actually i start doing the 20 hz cut because it's not just making the mix louder and clear,but it aloso make th kick hit harder in the face, then i've tried to cut the low frequency of the kick (from 40hz and below)"trap kick" and it became really really punchy than before. so try it if you want guys
Thanks, the only thing I forgot to mention was that doing this can cause potential phase issues with a non linear phase EQ, maybe look up liner phase and see if you can hear a difference. As always, let your ears guide you :)
Yeah Dude just be careful especially on the bass. While it is true that we cant hear these frequencies you can still feel them, especially when played through a PA or high end audio system. 20-30hz is where alot of the energy and bump lies. So yes hi pass but do it responsibly. I personally like not hi passing on tracks where i use an 808 synth to really give the track that extra bump, I'll hi pass everything else but the synth track With a bass guitar ill high pass as well to give the notes more clarity. And low pass to remove some of the upper harmonics off the bass guitar. On kicks you want to do both to get rid of the ringing noise and get a tight kick sound.
Dude, I had to come back after applying this and say big thanks! I'm so hyped! Much love to you, your work and all other persons in this videos still xd. Pd: Btw be careful with the phase (timing affection) ;)
One way to see proof of those inaudible low sounds: try an extreme low pass in your EQ, so that only the inaudble bass area is going through, and check your master db meter, it's still registering something indeed! Even way below our ears capabilities. Maybe it's just me and/or my cheap headphones and speakers, but already at lower than 30-40hz or so I basically hear just silence, so it's probably alright to cut from there? It seems that such low frequencies are generally useless anyways, unless you wanna create perfect "bass-test" tracks.
Big Yes to Warrens comment. There has been a lot of BS on the net on this topic in the recent past that confused many decent guys that know a lot otherwise. Esp the visible crap that moves the speakers like crazy without anything audible will be more convincing than any verbal advice that we circulated to end this idiotic discussion about low cutting or not. Avoid low cutting if you wanna mix music for moles, where a sub low woofer is connected to the lawn to drive the moles crazy and record 98 kHz and mix it to make music for bats. Great video. Great way to explain the stuff that is difficult to understand as it is going beyond our range of perception
I have that same question! I was waiting for him to tell us the best way to do this. I'm not sure if it's a good idea to put a high pass filter at 20htz on the master, after all of the compression, EQ, reverb, etc on all of the tracks.
Technically he does that on the master so that would be in mastering, but you're free to high pass the source of the low end, and some plugins allows you to high pass the low end like maximus if you are on Fl studio
I would do it in the mixing (each ingredients in the dish). Then the compressor for each track is fueled properly and you have better separation of the bassy tracks (less fight or mudd). You can do it in mastering fine if you didn't do it in mixing though. But sub frequencies is not a big problem, and I can usually sense when there's too much or clashing low end going on already
So I've been trying to get my music loud since I started producing ~6 years ago. Talking like -4 or -3db rms that a lot of heavy bass music tunes are sitting at. I've found that the highpass madness doesn't actually give you much more loudness. The main reason being that a lot of sounds in the digital environment do not have information down that low. The only elements with information down at 20hz by the end of your mix is the kick maybe, even a clean sub generated from a high quality synth does not have information below the fundamental by definition. I feel I've succeeded in getting my tracks both loud and clean, and flipping a sharp highpass at 20hz on my master (or on all the groups) actually doesn't get it any louder, in fact, it actually increases the peak due to how filters work in that a peak is created at the cutoff which is more pronounced the steeper the filter. I don't believe you showed what span looks like without the highpass, I'd like to see that, because I've taken wav files of what I consider to be the best mixes in loud dance music, and there is in fact information down at even 5hz, and plenty below 20hz for that matter.
this video is another example of "mastering guru" nonsense among the millions of other subjective videos on youtube, appealing mostly to very young amateur bedroom producers the industry is looking to suck in with over-priced plug-ins, software, mastering sessions etc etc etc etc. This guy going on about affectively high passing the whole track, yeah nobody did that in the past, mixes got released and trillions of records got sold and played and guess what... "DUDE THE FREQUENCIES BELOW 20Hz!!!! TURN IT OFF, TURN IT OFFFFF" .. SAID NOBODY, EVER.
He's right in the vid, but it's one component of getting louder masters. It's Def one of the more dramatic components and it's really exciting to learn for the first time. That being said there's a few others, namely peak management (snare, kick, transients) and understanding the value of creating a musical sounding version of an inverted fletcher Munson curve. Loud mixes are really in the mid range and top end coupled with keeping your bass controlled (as in this tutorial video) and then taming peaks. Aloot of engineers like the ns10s so much because they're mid range focused. Not too much sub Power(
@@nathannyquist7208 Best way to control peaks? Especially for drums? I think that's the problem for me. I do all the eqing but my tracks are never as loud as others on Spotify for example. I think my peaks are too high. It's the only thing I can think of.
Back in the day, Kind of Blue or Sgt. Pepper didn't have these super massive EDM kicks that are at least 10dB louder than the rest of the music. And producers didn't put comps and limiters on almost every channel, those tend to emphasize the problem this video is talking about. Also, back in the day the more professional mixing desks like Neves actually DID often have hi pass filters on every channel. The more budget minded desks maybe not, but typically when people talk about the good old times of recorded music they aren't talking about some punk seven inch made in a basement.
Sub and low frequencies can provide a foundation and low harmonic for others sounds to sit on, making the mix seem bulkier and denser without these frequencies even being audible. It's also a technique I use to strengthen vocals and synth sounds but the HP is important to roll off excessive amounts of it. Good explanation man.
As someone who produces mumble rap, I disagree, the low frequencies should not be high passed, they should be boosted........ Jk, Loved the tutorial I'll be waiting for the other tutorials you promised on your discord server.
We wont "hear" under 20hz, but we will surely "Feel" it in a live music with the right equipment, so it depends what you targeting your final mix for. For example the artist Deadmau5 will make a live/club mix seperated from the commercial release because of this very reason.
I was taught the same about high-passing a while ago and do it ever since. Lately I saw some video claiming that adding this filter might have some phase effects and sometimes cut the lowest notes of the track by a dB or 2 (say, if your -24 HP goes only as low as 30hz, you won't have it flat 0dB at low C at 32hz). He demonstrated some phase changes even when he cut around 100Hz or so. I personally can't seem to feel any phase issues with my music, and keep track of it using SPAN, but I'm still kinda new in the business so... Any thoughts about it? Did anyone ever come across a case where it sounded better without takin off those unheard frequencies? Thanks!
Echoing this comment. If you’re working with a mix buss or mastering, you 100% should only use linear phase EQ’s. Not doing so could result in a massive loss of clarity. Always linear-phase your masters, kids ;-)
So could I technically put an EQ on the Master Track, cutting at 20-25hz? Or should I put one on every single instrument? Btw very good Video, it helps me alot!
I would like to see an expert opinion but I do believe it would work as long as you use a steep curve (brickwall) so you don't reduce higher frequencies. I have heard that the thump you feel in your chest comes from 20hz so I wouldn't cut too much 20 hz out.
Dude i love your channel i have learnt some things but mainly its encouraged me to start posting up my own vids :) Keep up the great content much love from Australia!
Excellent video! High pass filtering is so misunderstood, badly taught and misapplied. This is superbly well explained with very good demos to support your teaching point. I've had a HPF at 20HZ on my mixbus for years. Your video really shows how important it is!
I followed this tutorial, highpassed my mix and the dB meter went up instead of down, and the compressor and límiter started reacting way more, making my mix quieter... what did I do wrong?
This is excellent. I took a two year break from production after a Decade of frustration around mixing and mastering. Always felt I made decent music, but could never wrap my head around the concept of loudness. Cheers
Yes you could try both,some EQs have a slight bump at the cut off so if you cut the matter at 25 Hz it might give a slight boost at around 30 Hz,be careful of that
Mike...keep doing what you do man. So much concise, quality information on your channel. I wish you guys so much success bud. The provided "why's" behind the moves you make in your mixes truly make your channel my go-to for obtaining good information. The music's great too man!!
I was working on this master and I just couldn’t get it loud enough. I implemented the cuts below 20Hz & even above 15kHz (my reference track had a low pass around 15kHz) and it’s helping to get the track louder. Thanks for your tip!
If I EQ the very low end in the master before I compress the song, it has the same result if I do it with every sound in the mix? I mean if you compress the sound individually it's necessary to do it i think, but if you're not compressing all the sounds?
Good video... As far as the low end goes this somewhat applies to a live mix and this is why people will cut off the extreme low frequencies on their subs so instead of creating unwanted heat in the amp and the sub speakers themselves on unheard frequencies the subs can deliver more punch and everything runs a bit cooler too.
Soo Helpful buddy... I usually do High Pass to 25Hz before mastering, but I never got to know why I'm doing this... thanks for giving me reason, why I'm doing this
Please make some production videos too,include the basic instrument arrangement for different section of a song.like what instruments to use where like,guitar,pads,arp piano and other.
Often with Kick and bass there is a build up in the 200 to 350Hx range and sometimes just pulling out a few dB at 350 can clear up a lot of mud. Try to listen to some really well mixed tracks to help keep your judgement good and fresh :)
You describing sound as taking up energy in a mix is a real eye opener for me... I know it is energy, but imagining your mix as a finite and well-defined container that can only hold so much energy... is profound for me.
Hey! Great video!! So I have a question. What type of slope do you recomend for HPF on the mix buss? It seems like if I use the standard slope lets say 12db/oct its still showing some sub 20hz information in the spectral analyzer, but I´m concerned if a more agressive slope would mess up the sound! When I use standard slope I tend to go to higher frequencies, like 30 or 40hz, but Im not sure that is right. Love your content, thank you very much!
Set the HPF to the wrong frequency, and your waveform will become asymmetrical, and the peaks will actually become louder, even though you're cutting frequencies. Best to use a linear phase EQ for this.
This is an amazing video! Thank you Michael for helping so many people out! This is extremely important information, that you articulated so well!! You Rock!!
Would cutting these low frequencies affect the feel on large systems? Say for example, at an edm concert where the bass is heavily emphasized. Or would a song that's been cut feel similar to songs that haven't? Great video! Will be doing my own experimentation.
Hi bendystraw626 marvellous question! Proper high passing not only gives you a louder mx it also gives you greater clarity in the low end so huge bass lines can really sing down there!
I totally agree, Warren!
Jonny Lipsham Studios thanks ever so much my friend!
Produce Like A Pro# So inspire at your comment
Here's a funny story related to sound frequency, when I was in high school.
Teacher: We'll test out the highest frequency you guys can hear!
Teacher: We're now at 16kHz. Can you guys hear it?
Students: Yea I can! (About 25/30 people in class)
Teacher: What about at 17kHz?
Students: Yea I can! (15/30 peopple)
Teacher: 18kHz?
Students: Yea I still can hear it!!! (5/30 people)
Also teacher: Oh, I didn't have it on.
Lmao, but some lights can make really high pitched sounds so maybe?
tinnitus xD
High schoolers should be able to hear up to 19kHz, but it could be hard to tell unless you got to compare hearing it to not hearing it
@@MrFram just came from hearing test i reached 20khz im so happy lol
@@marcelaquiladj same
Lots of New videos next week. FL STUDIO Trap and Hip Hop videos + 10 more FL videos - stay tuned everyone and have a great weekend :)
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Question I am working on a beat atm and noticed when my hi hat is on it distorts my kick drum and they are both in different channels on the mixer do you know what or why its doing this?
ah think it has something to do with compression on the main mixing channel to rais the vol of the entire beat. sgould I use compression or the limiter cieling knob?
Dude, this just blew me away! Thank you so much. Gonna be a huge help on my mixes.
5:25 holy shit that comparison was mind blowing!!!
I know right, quite exaggerated but still
@@inthemix dude you are the only youtuber who responds at light speed lol luv u dude!!!
I've had this issue with my tracks for such long time. Like I've had no idea why my tracks are always so quiet compared to other people's music, no matter how how much I boosted them with compressors and everything while ruining the sound. Maybe for once I will have this issue solved with the help of this.
@@Heavysweating have u figured it out lmao, im currently having that problem
@@kahelbeats this video was supposed to be the solution
He's tryna help and 6 people dislike smh lol I swear people hate just to hate
K4SET don’t act like everyone on the internet is original cuz 99% of comments aren’t original
K4SET I’m just sick of ppl calling out others 4 not being original
K4SET cuz he wouldn’t give a single fuck
Does giving dislikes hurt, though? There are people who just don't like the video, it's not that hard to get
Da Chop Up you’ll be surprised how many people accidentally dislike
Dude I love your videos, keep up the great work!
You are blowing my mind with tutorials these days! I see an In the mix tutorial nowadays and I click at lightning speed haha!
That was awsome.
Me too man
This guy is helping me alot in my production!
Thank u In the mix!
Yep he's cool!
@@GamingGeek7 hi
boi?
This video convinced me to get SPAN, since the EQs in FL don't show stuff thats happening below 20hz.
TDR NOVA on Precise (the default) shows down to 10Hz and up to 40KHz. Still I preffer SPAN for analyzing.
Fabfilter Pro Q is better than both, visually and for taking those freq out.
Visually yeah, but inside not. Also, Pro-Q2 isn't free and it's expensive.
Get slate
lol you don't need to see below 20hz...just cut them out and move on...people have been doing this long before spectrum analyzers. Just trying to save you some time/money...
You're my favourite music production RUclipsr man. You've helped me take my music from ok to a level beyond what I thought I was capable of and taught me so much. Thanks a million 🙏
You're more than welcome Like, I'm so glad I could help :)
I really want this guy to go viral one day, this is the kind of producing content (but also flying the FL studio flag) that the music making community needs to see
Absolutely agreed! No fluff or pretention, just very concise, valuable information. :)
Could you make one more mastering video with (izotope ozone8) Please.. 🙏
This Tutorial Is On Point Thanks
But should we highpass every sound individually or we can simply lowcut everything below 20Hz on the master? Are there any differences?
It's a good idea yes but if you use groups or busses, you could do the highpassing on those and save the extra CPU power
@@inthemix got it! Tnx!
Individually, and it's the first thing you have to do because if yo do it after your compressor, limiter etc will be affecting freqs below 20hz and the result will not be the same. That's what I understood.
Don't worry it saves you a lot of time. The only important thing is that highpass needs to be the first effect of the chain (in the master)
No, don't put highpass on your master chain. This will increase peak levels and thus less headroom. If you have low frequencies that are present that you don’t want in your mix, the ideal place to take care of those is in the mix, not in the master where all the elements have already been bussed together.
0:58 - I wish my headphones could pop instantly like yours
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You guys always came up with some untouched topics & very helpful tutorials❤
Thanks,I just try to see what hasn't been covered and share my personal experiences :)
@@inthemix That makes your content different than others🙌
Iv literally learned so much from you it’s crazy thank you so much!!!
There isn’t a better teacher than you on RUclips when it comes to mixing tutorials. Cheers man. Keep up the good work
this just blew my mind. i feel like this was one of the missing pieces in my music thank you
2:58 my heart when my crush is walking towards me😂
I used two different EQs to cut everything below 20Hz and above 20kHz but for some reason SPAN still shows that there are frequencies even as low as 5Hz. What's the problem?
Only Great Vibes you can’t get rid of things happening with energy that low. You’re going to have some energy that cycles at lower hertz
Watch out for phase changes when using this technique. I recommend cutting before the mix and master to minimize these phase changes. Don’t cut like this if you don’t need it to master. Try both ways, let the loudness targets guide you.
Short sumarize: you will increase the overall volume of the track by cutting away the lowest frequencies that even the speakers dont reproduce. Even if we dont hear them they are still taking audio space and affects the overall loudness negatively
The compressor will also trigger from these frequencies which will make everything sound muffled
So is better to cut away that frequency at the master or individualy in the tracks?
@@XtractoClandestino I would go individualy, since each sounds seperately has more or less of those frequencies that you want to cut away. Different amounts. By cutting away from the master you might accidently cut away too much from certain sounds while not enough from others. Best way I think is individualy
@@XtractoClandestino Here's how I see it - Remember when his speaker was slow pumping in/out trying to recreate those low, difficult to hear frequencies? Now imagine multiple tracks overlapped with each other, each fighting with one another pump the speaker that same way. Then, when you attempt to play your music on top of all of that constant wiggling, it's gonna sound janky, like the song is being jerked all around.
Better to get rid of it on all tracks so the speaker can move only when it needs to.
what if my speakers can play down to 15hz
Hey, I've a question:
Cutting 20Hz and below results in a spike above 20Hz. And because of that maximizer will limit more aggressively not less as you showed on vid. There is more compression WITH LOWCUT than without (I've tested on different EQs, used also Izotope's Maximizer). Can you explain Michael?
I'd take a look at your EQ settings, my compressor was limiting less with the low cut engaged. You are right about the bump above the cutoff but many EQ's account for this
Thank You
Is it absolutely essential to highpass on every channel during the mix? or is one on the master chanel during the mastering process sufficient?
main channel enough
Hey, bro honestly, I'm not a pro at this, not even a veteran, but I do know about perfectly mixing and mastering my music and every time even though I had just the perfect FX on the master as well as individual buses, it always came down to this loudness issue and this tip was just a life saver. You did mention it in a previous video of yours, but the concept wasn't clear, but it is and I just tried it on a track, I struggled with, and my oh my it already sounded way lot better.
Thank You, for doing all this good work for us beginners.🙌🙌😉😉
Xanfow can you mix and master my songs because I’m really bad at that but I’ve made a Faux Tales inspired song
You clearly weren't if you didn't know this
Why not just add the lowpass to a master track rather than each individual track?
Doesnt work the same way
If you're compressing/limiting on buses or individual tracks, then EQing the master like this wouldn't effect the compression on those buses/tracks.
@@DruvinBase Makes sense. Thank you!
10-15 videos next week?! wow
Wow, this may be the most helpful video I've ever watched! I'm definitely going to cut the super low frequencies that our ears can't hear. I'll probably do it once with an EQ & then save it, so I just have to load it onto the tracks as is. THANK YOU!!!
One thing to keep in mind...
Take a tone that is peaking at -1 dB. High-pass it at say 20 Hz. Now, due to phase shift, you're clipping (unless you used a linear phase EQ, which has its own issues). Point being, be aware that applying a filter to an audio source will have unexpected repercussions.
Yeah I noticed that this trick can cause a lot of issues. Even on individual sounds, I would cut out some lows of a snare, and it added 4 more db to the peak and was audibly quieter. Checked a vu meter to confirm my ears. I’m starting to think a less is more approach is best. EQing melodies alone hasn’t caused me issues tho.
@@ProdTheJudge i'm new to this things so I got so confused. so what do we do in these situations? should we not high pass or low pass anything? or do we just adjust how steep the filter is to that is has almost no noticeable phase issues? Also, if the only issue is that it got quieter, should we just raise the gain a little bit if it doesn't really cause anything too destructive to the sound? Sorry for so many questions. I realized the more I learn in this field, the more questions appears in my head 😅
i'm new to this things so I got so confused. so what do we do in these situations? should we not high pass or low pass anything? or do we just adjust how steep the filter is to that is has almost no noticeable phase issues? Also, if the only issue is that it got quieter, should we just raise the gain a little bit if it doesn't really cause anything too destructive to the sound? Sorry for so many questions. I realized the more I learn in this field, the more questions appears in my head 😅
@@gemgemgem1236 You can still HP and LP sounds, but there has to be an intention behind it. I sometimes get issues when I HP snares or bass, especially when I make a sharp cut. The 20hz -18khz EQ2 cut in FL causes issues when I put it on master. Try to put that eq preset on some tracks of yours and watch the db meter. Before I put it on, the master volume will be at say -6db, but after I put it on it can jump to -3db or -4db. So on the peak meter it is showing that it is louder, but it can actually sound quieter to the ears. What works for me in simple terms is that I don’t have an eq on the master or the individual drum/bass sounds, I just level drums and melodies. I do sharper eq cuts on melodies. I’m not a mixing engineer but I do find mixing interesting. After 3 years of making beats I’ve learned that a less is more approach works best, especially when the drum samples and vst sounds are already compressed to sound good.
actually i start doing the 20 hz cut because it's not just making the mix louder and clear,but it aloso make th kick hit harder in the face, then i've tried to cut the low frequency of the kick (from 40hz and below)"trap kick" and it became really really punchy than before. so try it if you want guys
Simple, yet total genius. I'll definitely be doing this from now on. Thank you for a concise and very well-presented video.
Thanks, the only thing I forgot to mention was that doing this can cause potential phase issues with a non linear phase EQ, maybe look up liner phase and see if you can hear a difference. As always, let your ears guide you :)
Yeah Dude just be careful especially on the bass.
While it is true that we cant hear these frequencies you can still feel them, especially when played through a PA or high end audio system. 20-30hz is where alot of the energy and bump lies.
So yes hi pass but do it responsibly.
I personally like not hi passing on tracks where i use an 808 synth to really give the track that extra bump, I'll hi pass everything else but the synth track
With a bass guitar ill high pass as well to give the notes more clarity. And low pass to remove some of the upper harmonics off the bass guitar.
On kicks you want to do both to get rid of the ringing noise and get a tight kick sound.
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Dude, I had to come back after applying this and say big thanks! I'm so hyped! Much love to you, your work and all other persons in this videos still xd.
Pd: Btw be careful with the phase (timing affection) ;)
One way to see proof of those inaudible low sounds: try an extreme low pass in your EQ, so that only the inaudble bass area is going through, and check your master db meter, it's still registering something indeed! Even way below our ears capabilities.
Maybe it's just me and/or my cheap headphones and speakers, but already at lower than 30-40hz or so I basically hear just silence, so it's probably alright to cut from there? It seems that such low frequencies are generally useless anyways, unless you wanna create perfect "bass-test" tracks.
Wild information! That's crazy stuff! Thanks so much for the tip, it's so helpful!
I feel like I just learned one of the most important lessons for audio mixing.
Big Yes to Warrens comment. There has been a lot of BS on the net on this topic in the recent past that confused many decent guys that know a lot otherwise. Esp the visible crap that moves the speakers like crazy without anything audible will be more convincing than any verbal advice that we circulated to end this idiotic discussion about low cutting or not. Avoid low cutting if you wanna mix music for moles, where a sub low woofer is connected to the lawn to drive the moles crazy and record 98 kHz and mix it to make music for bats.
Great video. Great way to explain the stuff that is difficult to understand as it is going beyond our range of perception
Is this done while mixing or at the mastering fase?
I have that same question! I was waiting for him to tell us the best way to do this. I'm not sure if it's a good idea to put a high pass filter at 20htz on the master, after all of the compression, EQ, reverb, etc on all of the tracks.
Technically he does that on the master so that would be in mastering, but you're free to high pass the source of the low end, and some plugins allows you to high pass the low end like maximus if you are on Fl studio
I would do it in the mixing (each ingredients in the dish).
Then the compressor for each track is fueled properly and you have better separation of the bassy tracks (less fight or mudd).
You can do it in mastering fine if you didn't do it in mixing though.
But sub frequencies is not a big problem, and I can usually sense when there's too much or clashing low end going on already
@Kalrav Naresh everything means we should do it on master
So should I high pass all my mixer tracks or just the master?
Tommy Rittenhouse He answered someone else asking that question saying you should just do it to your other buses
You earned a sub with this one. Such a great video. Thank you!
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So I've been trying to get my music loud since I started producing ~6 years ago. Talking like -4 or -3db rms that a lot of heavy bass music tunes are sitting at. I've found that the highpass madness doesn't actually give you much more loudness. The main reason being that a lot of sounds in the digital environment do not have information down that low. The only elements with information down at 20hz by the end of your mix is the kick maybe, even a clean sub generated from a high quality synth does not have information below the fundamental by definition.
I feel I've succeeded in getting my tracks both loud and clean, and flipping a sharp highpass at 20hz on my master (or on all the groups) actually doesn't get it any louder, in fact, it actually increases the peak due to how filters work in that a peak is created at the cutoff which is more pronounced the steeper the filter.
I don't believe you showed what span looks like without the highpass, I'd like to see that, because I've taken wav files of what I consider to be the best mixes in loud dance music, and there is in fact information down at even 5hz, and plenty below 20hz for that matter.
this video is another example of "mastering guru" nonsense among the millions of other subjective videos on youtube, appealing mostly to very young amateur bedroom producers the industry is looking to suck in with over-priced plug-ins, software, mastering sessions etc etc etc etc. This guy going on about affectively high passing the whole track, yeah nobody did that in the past, mixes got released and trillions of records got sold and played and guess what... "DUDE THE FREQUENCIES BELOW 20Hz!!!! TURN IT OFF, TURN IT OFFFFF" .. SAID NOBODY, EVER.
He's right in the vid, but it's one component of getting louder masters. It's Def one of the more dramatic components and it's really exciting to learn for the first time. That being said there's a few others, namely peak management (snare, kick, transients) and understanding the value of creating a musical sounding version of an inverted fletcher Munson curve. Loud mixes are really in the mid range and top end coupled with keeping your bass controlled (as in this tutorial video) and then taming peaks.
Aloot of engineers like the ns10s so much because they're mid range focused. Not too much sub Power(
@@nathannyquist7208 Best way to control peaks? Especially for drums? I think that's the problem for me. I do all the eqing but my tracks are never as loud as others on Spotify for example. I think my peaks are too high. It's the only thing I can think of.
Back in the day, Kind of Blue or Sgt. Pepper didn't have these super massive EDM kicks that are at least 10dB louder than the rest of the music. And producers didn't put comps and limiters on almost every channel, those tend to emphasize the problem this video is talking about. Also, back in the day the more professional mixing desks like Neves actually DID often have hi pass filters on every channel. The more budget minded desks maybe not, but typically when people talk about the good old times of recorded music they aren't talking about some punk seven inch made in a basement.
Sub and low frequencies can provide a foundation and low harmonic for others sounds to sit on, making the mix seem bulkier and denser without these frequencies even being audible. It's also a technique I use to strengthen vocals and synth sounds but the HP is important to roll off excessive amounts of it. Good explanation man.
I can remember when my with maximus' presets """""mastered""""" tracks were sounding like that hahaha :D just 2-3 year ago
same lmao
I play around with a track until I think it's mastered and then come back a week later and it just sounds like disappointment
Now I know why my tracks are not loud enough but clip😂
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As someone who produces mumble rap, I disagree, the low frequencies should not be high passed, they should be boosted........
Jk, Loved the tutorial I'll be waiting for the other tutorials you promised on your discord server.
Haha wow I started worrying for a second lol! Lots of videos next week :)
They have a discord server?
Yeah, but I was making fun of that stereotype where mumble rap beats and generally a lot of hip-hop beats have heavy bass.
I mean you could have loud lows, but that's around the 60-80 Hz range.
LOL that's a good one :) Asked about EQing rap, I often recommend a high pass at around 20k X-) bad, bad me...
so do I basically just cut everything at 0-20 hertz?
Dude un content is lit keep it up
We wont "hear" under 20hz, but we will surely "Feel" it in a live music with the right equipment, so it depends what you targeting your final mix for. For example the artist Deadmau5 will make a live/club mix seperated from the commercial release because of this very reason.
Thnx for the video
can i just eq 20hz and below off on the master channel rather then do it on every single track?
Great tutorial mike
Thanks Ben
I was taught the same about high-passing a while ago and do it ever since.
Lately I saw some video claiming that adding this filter might have some phase effects and sometimes cut the lowest notes of the track by a dB or 2 (say, if your -24 HP goes only as low as 30hz, you won't have it flat 0dB at low C at 32hz). He demonstrated some phase changes even when he cut around 100Hz or so.
I personally can't seem to feel any phase issues with my music, and keep track of it using SPAN, but I'm still kinda new in the business so...
Any thoughts about it? Did anyone ever come across a case where it sounded better without takin off those unheard frequencies?
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so just put the low cut on the mixer chanel?
When you talk about a lowcut you have to talk about phaselinear eqs
You're probably right, I'll be sure to look at it for my next video. The only linear phase Eqs I have are very CPU heavy though.
In The Mix in the Maximus is an option to make the filters linear
Echoing this comment. If you’re working with a mix buss or mastering, you 100% should only use linear phase EQ’s. Not doing so could result in a massive loss of clarity. Always linear-phase your masters, kids ;-)
Holy Shiza! Wow. Those speakers jumping around without any noise is all i needed to see. Thanks !
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So could I technically put an EQ on the Master Track, cutting at 20-25hz? Or should I put one on every single instrument?
Btw very good Video, it helps me alot!
I would like to see an expert opinion but I do believe it would work as long as you use a steep curve (brickwall) so you don't reduce higher frequencies. I have heard that the thump you feel in your chest comes from 20hz so I wouldn't cut too much 20 hz out.
I wish I would’ve seen this years ago, before I figured it out on my own just a few days ago, and now I see this on my recommended 😫😫😫😭😭😭 howwww?!!
Dude i love your channel i have learnt some things but mainly its encouraged me to start posting up my own vids :)
Keep up the great content much love from Australia!
Best mixing tutorials on YT!
Excellent video! High pass filtering is so misunderstood, badly taught and misapplied. This is superbly well explained with very good demos to support your teaching point. I've had a HPF at 20HZ on my mixbus for years. Your video really shows how important it is!
He's always perfect in explaining what (actually) needs to be explained! 👾
I followed this tutorial, highpassed my mix and the dB meter went up instead of down, and the compressor and límiter started reacting way more, making my mix quieter... what did I do wrong?
im having the same problem. i dont understand
This is excellent. I took a two year break from production after a Decade of frustration around mixing and mastering. Always felt I made decent music, but could never wrap my head around the concept of loudness. Cheers
im mastering with Ozone 8, if im wanting to do this would it work if I just EQ the Master-bus instead of going through every single track?
Yes you could try both,some EQs have a slight bump at the cut off so if you cut the matter at 25 Hz it might give a slight boost at around 30 Hz,be careful of that
Hey man your audio cuts out around 2:38. Oh sh--
Great job! Could you help me with some stuff? Where could I DM you?
This video is so good! My Span goes down to 20 Hz? How can I see the full spectrum?
Mike...keep doing what you do man. So much concise, quality information on your channel. I wish you guys so much success bud. The provided "why's" behind the moves you make in your mixes truly make your channel my go-to for obtaining good information. The music's great too man!!
I was working on this master and I just couldn’t get it loud enough. I implemented the cuts below 20Hz & even above 15kHz (my reference track had a low pass around 15kHz) and it’s helping to get the track louder. Thanks for your tip!
You and Rob Mayzes are the best mixers on RUclips. Thank you for helping us independent musicians.
If I EQ the very low end in the master before I compress the song, it has the same result if I do it with every sound in the mix? I mean if you compress the sound individually it's necessary to do it i think, but if you're not compressing all the sounds?
Good video... As far as the low end goes this somewhat applies to a live mix and this is why people will cut off the extreme low frequencies on their subs so instead of creating unwanted heat in the amp and the sub speakers themselves on unheard frequencies the subs can deliver more punch and everything runs a bit cooler too.
Soo Helpful buddy... I usually do High Pass to 25Hz before mastering, but I never got to know why I'm doing this... thanks for giving me reason, why I'm doing this
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awesome videos brother!
your tutorials are so helpful!
Can you just put a high pass on the master before the limiter? Or do you have to do it on every individual track?
Great video, you did a good job conveying it in an understandable way too
Well I never thought it is such a important topic but only You explained it very well........
Thanks for this.......
Bro is it okay if I use this technique only on the master bus? Or do I need to highpass every channel
This i want to know
I always remove those frequencies. Great video, very useful!
Please make some production videos too,include the basic instrument arrangement for different section of a song.like what instruments to use where like,guitar,pads,arp piano and other.
You are awesome!! I've never thought about that:)) ... great video!!!
Thanks, and good luck!! ;)
What about the high frequencies? Ive been told to cut anything above 19K.... Thoughts on this?
Very helpful videos :)
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Hello, I'm making a pop song and i just can't eq kick and bass. They are muddy. Does anyone have some tips? Thanks
Often with Kick and bass there is a build up in the 200 to 350Hx range and sometimes just pulling out a few dB at 350 can clear up a lot of mud. Try to listen to some really well mixed tracks to help keep your judgement good and fresh :)
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Thank you! I'll try :)
You describing sound as taking up energy in a mix is a real eye opener for me... I know it is energy, but imagining your mix as a finite and well-defined container that can only hold so much energy... is profound for me.
Really good video. From many poitns HPF all the individual tracks has many advantages, this one never crossed my mind.
Hey! Great video!! So I have a question. What type of slope do you recomend for HPF on the mix buss? It seems like if I use the standard slope lets say 12db/oct its still showing some sub 20hz information in the spectral analyzer, but I´m concerned if a more agressive slope would mess up the sound! When I use standard slope I tend to go to higher frequencies, like 30 or 40hz, but Im not sure that is right.
Love your content, thank you very much!
Hi,
Are you using headphones 250ohm???
Please tell me what dac/amp better for these headphones? Thanks
Set the HPF to the wrong frequency, and your waveform will become asymmetrical, and the peaks will actually become louder, even though you're cutting frequencies. Best to use a linear phase EQ for this.
When I put a highpass filter on my kick using FL parametric EQ 2, it adds db. Almost 3db just putting it on 20HZ. I don't get it.
That's very important and helpful , got you man! You're the best.
Perfect sense. I did wonder why people hi pass even though there appears to be nothing there.
I just love the way u explain each step ..i am using krk rp10-3 g3...m lil but confuse at the. Time of mix what really disturbing my mix...