We need to talk about Mixing Cheat Sheets.
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- Опубликовано: 8 июл 2024
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0:00 - Intro
1:30 - Tarp Beat
2:12 - Interpreting The Cheat Sheet
3:04 - Faders Mix
4:24 - Meters Mix
4:54 - Comparisons
6:43 - The Problem With Cheat Sheets
8:43 - Conclusion
Disclaimer: The content in this video has been used for educational purposes in accordance with section 107 of US Copyright Law.
You can use my instrumentals/remakes for parodies/covers/etc (credit is appreciated), but remember, you should always have permission from the song's publisher and/or rightful owners! 
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"+14 for the snare transient"
- Virtual Riott
"Virtual Riot is my best friend"
- Definitively wasn't Elimilimilimilimilmilimilimilimiliminate
Whitout the limiter in the master ^^. Here, this is an example that the "rules of music production" are not good in all the case
Lol, that really got me
That's a lot of reverb
- Virtual Riot 2019 (showing the hysteria project file)
i went to go see star wars part 1, he kilt all teh sand peepull and then him go home and he say, "i kilt them" and they put a fucking DC spike in thar my ear was teh bleeding
usually people with name dylan are enemy but i think u are friend
i like u
you guys should do a collab
Dylan^2
You should start editing videos it might suit you well
Dylan
oh my god its dylan and dylan
Random instagram post: “Get a better mix using these 5 rules”
Me, putting reverb on a sub: *YES*
Put some distortion, get a top level mixing engineer and you got whole Tylers "Igor" just for yourself lmao
nah man just put reverb on master set low to off and high to 500 hz 😎😎 pros will love it
subs without reverb might be nice to listen to but they won't get you to berghain
become ungovernable
The other thing is that these cheat sheets are always just for the most barebones simplistic trap tracks. If you are a total noob and have added anything else aside from what's shown (vocals, fx, more melodies, chords, any layered sounds) you're kind of hung out to dry. They're cheat sheets made by people who barely have a grasp on production and who only ever make one very specific, usually very minimal, type of music so it really only helps others who make that exact same kind of music. And even then there are all those other caveats.
I remember when I first started getting into productions there were always these little "rules" floating around production communities, and it took me a couple years to realize that they should be taken with a grain of salt, if not ignored completely. It's like painters saying "yes only mix these two colours, only use this one brush for painting landscapes, only use acrylic paint". All they do is squander very healthy experimentation that would have otherwise helped newcomers get a better understanding of production and develop their own techniques.
While you are right , I need you to understand how dangerous the "there is no rules" talk is. When you're a beginner , you absolutely need to follow some "rules" otherwise you'll never learn the proper methods. The "no rule" talk applies to people who know what they're doing and are therefore able to experiment with different mixing techniques.On the other hand you've got someone like Carnage who boosts 20 db on an 808 and tells you THERE IS NO RULES BRO. I've had a similar experience with a client that had the kicks going from mono to slightly left , to hard right etc. and when I told him it's wrong , guess what he told me ? THERE IS NO RULES BRO
Basically , idiots taking that "advice" to make horrible mixing decisions
@@svengali5862 Sure, but there's a difference between rules and guidelines. You have to remember that not everybody has the same goals. Everyone is going to come at it with different genres, styles, atmopheres, tonality, ect. ect. in mind.
I'm not saying that we should tell newbies htere aren't any rules, I'm just saying it shouldn't be presented as "rules". At the end of the day if that guy wanted to experiment with making his kicks get panned, who cares? It was something he wanted to mess around with. Yes tell him what the disadvantages of this are, but this isn't a science, it's an art.
My point is let people make bad music. Help them in understanding why the industry standards are the way they are, but forcing them to adhere to them as if you're not allowed to do anything else is ridiculous. When you are a newbie and you are handed a big list of rules, guess what, you don't LEARN anything. You just follow those rules blindly and then when some of them end up backfiring at you because, let's face it, most of those rules were probably learned from other amateur producers who don't really know what they're talking about, they end up getting frustrated with how it sounds and give up.
Give educated guidelines, not rules.
@@balls261 My point isn't to get someone to stop doing something , but to open their eyes as to what's best for their song/mix. Most of the time "following the script" will get you far more then THINKING you're experimenting. Panning kicks for example isn't experimenting, it's plain wrong and there are numerous reasons why that is. If it weren't wrong you'd hear it in industry standard mixes all the time but you don't. You'll never hear something like that.You know why ? Because it's wrong and if you don't want to take the advice from someone more experienced when you're told that it's wrong , not only are you not experimenting but you're actually wasting your precious time and that's the most important thing you've got in this world. How many producers reading this now have WASTED years in the beginning stage of their career thinking : yeah these "experiments" make me unique as producer , no one sounds like this right ? Only to find out years later how wrong they were and how much potentially good songs they've ruined for not understanding when something is "wrong". I know I have because I was (like many) the best producer in the world and no one could tell me anything.
People HATE guidelines because they think following them will make them a generic producer , this is why we say "rules" as newbies take you more seriously. Cheers my friend :)
@@balls261 Btw about "if that guy wanted to experiment with making his kicks get panned, who cares?" Well I CARE , because I had to spend hours trying to explain to the guy that his mix will not turn out well because of this , and I ended up walking away from the project even though he was paying fair money. I just didn't want to associate myself with something like that as there is NO WAY I could have sent that mix out to someone and say : Hey I'm offering mixing/mastering services , take a listen to this
@@svengali5862 Obviously panning your main kick is pretty bad, but you can still experiment with panning kicks. Like putting a high passed left to right ping pong delay on the kick or something.
I mix everything at +10 db in mono but pan each element more and more to the left and only to the left. My momma says I'm very good :)
That's the way to do it
Huh is this some kind of joke or a good advice?
m d its good advice
@@marcusdelictus It's what I do. Since it's in mono it's only half as loud so I can crank things up a lot without noise or clipping, and the progressive panning is to add dynamism so the sounds don't clutter. A lot of older/more veteran producers do it too
m d yeah I agree this seems like a terrible way to mix haha I agree with mixing in mono but why only pan things to one side and why make everything loud in mono when it’s just going to clip like you’re trying to avoid the second you make it stereo again unless you want a mono only mix? Very strange 😂
now my beats are industry standart
S t a n d a r t
Standart is very good
How do you know that ?
Yeah, it is standart
Stand-art
*Industry Standart*
Nice pfp lol
*Industry Standart*
*Industry Standart*
1:30 tarp beat
😂
When the guide went "-_-" I felt that.
Most of these Instagram accounts are just faking it, like some of them literally give you "eq presets for your kicks" and be something like boost 120 hz for more bass, like wtf
You really have to train and trust your ears, it depends so much on what sounds and samples you use it's always different
yeah but it gets really hard when it's about mixing the bass section when 1. your headphones don't go down low enough 2. your neighbours hate you
@@totoplz Beyerdynamics headphones are a good choice, not too expensive either, DT 770 pro for example it's amazing and I still use it
@@egekazakmusic I also have beyerdynamics headphones, the "custom studios", which are even more expensive i think but they still dont really offer that really low bass response that im looking for
Just use high treble iem's when after finised project listen with better headphones you will be shocked ! Im simple man if sound good with suck iem's everyone can listen it !!!
sonarworks + bayerdynamics dt880 or sennheisser hd600 and u r safe
This goes back to "if it sounds good it's good", let me give you a deep house song as an example, you can make your kick hard hitting as Mahmut Orhan does usually or you can make it short and quieter as it's the case of most of the songs mixed by Spinnin records. Which sounds better to you, which do you want in every one of your mix? Don't mix thinking "is this how these people will like it", mix while asking yourself "do I like this?"
This is great advice unless you're me.
Everything that sounds good to me comes across as completely wack to literally everyone and 10 years of experience has not changed that one bit 😂
I guess these guides are great for people that just want to sound juuuuust generic enough for a non-musician/non-prodicer audience to comment [🔥🔥🔥🔥] a bunch of times? 🤷♂️
0db okay i hear it
-1db TURN THAT BCK I HEAR NOTHING!!!!
good video dylan. 2/10.
I wanna like this comment but it’s on 69 likes so I won’t
2/10db🌚
Get out of here, Melon!
I don't know why but I laughed hella hard when I read this. Thanks, made my day.
😂
im glad dylan was just as confused as me about that "basic structure." also dylan is the best music production teacher on youtube. i learn so much from these vids
from personal experience the best way to learn how to mix at/close to an industry standard is to
1) dont overcomplicate things, 9 times out of 10 the problem is with the sound being too loud/too quiet, in trap especially you dont need a lot of frequency manipulation or sound design, the sounds are very basic and you mostly dont need fancy mixing plugins
2) if you want to learn something you need to put 10.000 hours into it. same goes for mixing. do it by yourself on your own music over and over again on hundreds of tracks until it starts to sound like the music you like listening
"If you ain't red linin' you ain't Headlinin"
i clip everything +10 Db minimum so that my mix is nice and crunchy :)
If you also add a maximus on each drum track and turn all the knobs to the maximum, you'll get drums that really knock.
@@Meltrikz add waveshaper on master, right click and drag to the left corner on the top
@@martismartiis813 Damn, thanks for that tip! Now I'm an industry producer.
Don't for get to place Sausage Fattener in every step of the Master Chain for MAXIMUM knock....thank me later
How to Subtronics be like
TRY THIS AND I GUARANTEE YOUR MIXES WILL SOUND BETTER EVERYWHERE. DBs are on the master channel velocity.
KICK 15 DB
SNARE - 808 18 DB
HIHATS 27-24 DB
INSTRUMENTS 30-21 DB
THE WHOLE MIX SHOULD BE 9-12 DB AT MOST, BEFORE MASTERING.
HOW TO MASTER.
FL LIMITER SETTINGS:
CEL -1.0 DB
SAT- -0.1 DB
GAIN 6.0 DB
SOFT CLIPPER: THRESHOLD 0.0 DB (ALL THE WAY UP)
POST GAIN: 95
DONE
Ok
I can't tell if you're joking or not. In case you aren't, fixed settings will do jackshit for you.
Thanks do you have the same for other genre of music???
The entire existence of r/trapproduction summed up in 10 minutes
Edit: midi pack
Guys my Xfer Omnisphere says STEAM folder unauthorized how to fix this I'm running FL Studio Live on Windows Catilina plz help
@@WyattWinters try install Sausage Fattener 👍 gl bro
The only way to make good music is to use a midi pack.
never been so early, love you Dylan!🙌
I like your mix than the Industry Standard
I believe there is no such thing as proper mix and you can do whatever you want it to sound like and thats the beauty of music. Its always about personal preference and how you want to express yourself.
On the other side ,these cheat codes are helpful as you got a guide to go what you are going to do
Great mix Dylan, keep it up, proud of you!
is that an xqc reference...............
cheeto
Hey catdany, I like your channel been following you forever. Can't believe I saw you here such a small world
Finally! Some helpful mixing advice!
0:50 open-hat and 808 making faces at us
Dylantallchief can you make a video on mixing and mastering , i trust you more than others
Lol what if the person making the cheat sheet had default fruity limiter on and didn't know
hmmm Good Point!
Dylan Tallcheif:CHEAT MODE ACTIVATED
i only use eq cheat sheets for instruments i've never mixed before. it helps to see what each of the defining qualities of something like a ukulele is and where abouts they reside in terms of frequency
Spectrum analysis man
@@feelingevaporated2912 spectrum analysis doesn't tell you about the features of instruments though. i use it, but it wouldn't work for this purpose
hey man, is there any way to give in the plugin picker screen, a preview picture to 3rd party plugins?
I used to use specific DB levels for the kick, 808, and snare. Everything else was by ear though. I still changed percieved loudness with saturation/distortion. Ill probably keep my kick at -6db since I'm used to leveling around that, but I'm using my ears for everything else now. I know very well of the flaws of DB. You can have a 1hz sine wave at 0db and not hear it.
that's cause human ears can't hear below 20hz
@@martismartiis813 for me, I'm actually putting my kick at -12db, and my snare is probably at around -13 to -14db, sub at -15 to -17db (since I'm using 2-3 bass tracks layered together).
In general, I aim to peak around -6.3 or -6.5db on my master fader.
I felt that my mix sounded better and clearer after I adopted this method. Less is really more tbh. And you get to preserve your dynamics and not squash them.
This is of course done after gain staging to -18dbfs though.
Chokes in 2 db drums
@@samuelng6441 professional mastering engineers actually prefer to receive a mix that peaks just below -6 , so I’d say you’re doing great
@@austinv3917 eh 2021 update: I actually think that the -6db peak is a myth or fallacy. While it may help novices do as little damage to their mixes as possible, once you can do proper gain staging as well as understand digital audio, this -6db peak rule will only hold you back on making modern mixes; especially if you are looking to create loud mixes.
What are your thoughts on this?
I think these cheat sheets can indeed be a good starting point. Just something to start with and continue learning from there.
love your video editing
Great tutorial bro... specially time mentioned in your discrition.....👍👍👍👌👌👌
Wow I didn't know I needed this but holy I did 🙏
Using a VU meter helps with this since it measures sound intensity by taking an average of the whole sound. During the peak meter comparison of the kick and snare, if a VU meter was used you would see the difference in perceived volume.
Thank you for this
I think the meters mix is pretty nice. In your mix the 808 is a bit loud. But for the rest, not really a big difference.
The perc and snare fill is too loud on the meters mix though but yeah for sure it ess better than expected
I found that these kind of cheat sheets really helped me when I started out as a jump off point, and I guess it just comes down to how you take them on, like you mentioned they shouldn't be seen as law.
Super interesting vídeo. It would be cool doing it about other generes!
i prefer your first mix, but i think the second mix sounded most professional with the tame bass and super punchy snare
That melody is insane bro
This is all i was looking for
XD
2:23 How can I show the number in the mixer like that?
It's one of the wide presets maybe? Or the default if you changed it?
The cheat sheet is only for beginners. In the end the mastering still comes to picture.
1:00 Industry Standart.
Best music channel out there 100%
I've watched you today for the first time and I had to sub😅😅😅😅😅this was perfect man
damn im early, and i needed this thanks Mr.Tallchief
Honestly I kind of prefer the meters mix. Sounds clearer and more open.
What those kinds of sheets are brilliant for, is as a starting point and as general guidelines for volume ranges.
You set the tracks to about those levels with the faders at unity and start mixing from there.
Gets you into the ballpark right away and from there you can make it sound awesome.
HOW TO TOKYO MACHINE BASS HOUSE Maybe?
Finally someone is talking about these
Hands down without question, ur initial mix sounds exponentially better than the cheat sheet mix
Tbh, not all cheat sheet are bad, there are some that really helps. I sometime try it for the sake of experiment, but if it sound bad then imma do it my self. Just keep in mind that this cheat sheet isn't for everything and everytime. Good video tho' :)
*What that lead preset tho? Sounds hot af*
Could you do more mixing tips videos?
6:14 SONG NAME I NEED IT
Mr. Bill actually had a really in depth video on why we hear something like a dubstep kick as something louder than a short clicky hihat even when the hihat is peaking at say +10db and the kick is at -4 db. Perceived loudness is directly effected on the length of the sound as well as the actual volume of the sound. I gave kinda a pepega explanation so just go watch the Mr. Bill video lol.
What's the title of the video?
@@elieh.studio mr. bill masterclass at kmg
@@NUHDUBZ Thank you
Dylan is a very tall chief..... That sounded funnier in my head.
Some standards are good and other not, but in the end it's important that you like your work (noob, pro... however).
Enjoy the days Dylan and everyone too 🎶🥤
Industry standart 😂😂😂😂😂 I missed that one!
Hey bro, where can I find the 'win' song at 06:15 ?
Your ears are your ultimate weapons! Don't fool them just by feeding some dank memes!
you actually like umm, asked me at around 4 minutes to type in comments what i think is better and i do agree with you dylan, i like your version of the trap beat more
It actually seems like a good reference. Not a rule or shortcut or anything, but something to give you a general idea of where things might sit in the mix (I'm assuming) after EQ and compression and before mastering. Most of my mixes would probably be pretty close to this.
Just the video I wanted
"Cheat sheet" track hears mastered, but... I think it's individual for every melody, and you should balance every music by your feel, there are no "an Ideal number" or something like this.
Developing musical feeling is great. It will help you so much in the future.
you are awesome :3
It's good to have a reference for your sound, and even more important to learn how to use your own ears.
I have one simple trick: be creative. Making a music from rules will make you same as any other music or ever worse, you have no chance to succeed by creating something based on simple rules. Just do what you do the best and try to make it sound good to yourself. You have to be judge by yourself. The big names producers are talented but they don't follow basic rules. Pretty much every music is a bit different from each other, that is because they don't follow the rules.
I subbed blindly rn based upon the title..I think see where you’re going tho
I'm always constipated.
Sometimes there will even be blood on the toilet paper and in the water.
I'm fairly certain this is not industry standart? 😨
That was the best intro of this video I have ever seen.
-1/10
R. I. P head room
🥶🥶
0:26 dude i was totally going to make a video out of that same image, damn
There was a newer comment here about this post (since it's mine) so I'm just gonna copy the answer to that comment here.
"Since it's my post on 0:25 I gotta agree with you, you understood it well. It was my bad as I wrote "Basic structure" instead of "Basic elements" so that's why this post was misunderstood. I just gotta say I feel sorry for the guy who made this video for trashing anyone instead of giving constructive criticism but I also salute him for making tutorials and sharing knowledge.
Peace"
Great video man! Just, the only thing is, this all seems to be pretty standart information.
So should I turn off now the reverb on my sub
i want to see dylan make a cursed song
Ngl I kinda do tho
What about pink noise mixing? Maybe that is best way to get mix levels right.
Someone probably already explained but the trap cheat sheet is just a blueprint for arrangement
Yeah pretty cringe he didn’t get it
i think your own mix will sounds great if there are no vocal...but if it has a vocal,i prefer the lesser 808 one.
really nice vids,this is just what i wanted to try someday haha.
does anyone know the name of the song at 6:14?
Great video bro!!! Can u make one video for moombahton?? Good vibes!!!
thanks
When it comes to cheat sheets with actual values for volume then yes, they are trash and you shouldn't follow them. But there are solid cheat sheets out there for like example, EQ's, that give you a small rundown of what certain regions do and those are something you can definitely follow for a good start. Yes, you still have to get yourself trained in order to listen for the subtle nuances but I also think that it really depends on what kind of cheat sheet you're using.
My fav was the slow outro version omfg firah
Layer everything on top of each other, loads of stacking. Cant go wrong
Can you do a tutorial on that lead melody
I would like to know exactly how old school guys and gals mixed music without all these fancy gimmicky plugins, like “stereo wideners” and etc. How did they get such fullness, depth and etc. and how exactly did they do it.
The first pic is about trap beat arrangement m pretty sure
Yr version ... is aggressive sounding that cool
What i do is gainstage everything to -12, then choose a main element which is gonna be -12 then lower everything from there except the sub and the kick+snare. Which are more or less the same volume (depending on the song: -1 to -2 on the drums and 0 to -3 on the sub)
Samuel Ivascu not sure if joke or not
@@Syneptic kinda yes kinda not. Just do whatever you like. This works for me
I just use my ears for every beat i mix
This man can do anything with everything.
Industry standart mix!
LMAO i’m glad you covered this i was just thinking the other day about how dumb these are
industry standard type beat lmao. killed me
5:20 not that far off. I wonder if those numbers are for after effects?
Good start I guess