I FEEL SO BAD FOR CHARLIE - *LOST* Reaction - 2x12 - Fire + Water
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When Charlie's dreams lead him to believe Claire's baby's in peril, Locke suspects he may be using drugs again. Charlie's back story reveals a difficult relationship with his brother. Hurley's encouraged to act on his attraction to Libby.
The survivors of a plane crash are forced to work together in order to survive on a seemingly deserted tropical island.
Lost is an American science fiction adventure drama television series created by Jeffrey Lieber, J. J. Abrams, and Damon Lindelof that aired on ABC from September 22, 2004, to May 23, 2010, over six seasons and 121 episodes. It contains elements of supernatural fiction, and follows the survivors of a commercial jet airliner flying between Sydney and Los Angeles, after the plane crashes on a mysterious island somewhere in the South Pacific Ocean. Episodes typically feature a primary storyline set on the island, augmented by flashback or flashforward sequences which provide additional insight into the involved characters.
Lindelof and Carlton Cuse served as showrunners and are executive producers along with Abrams and Bryan Burk. Inspired by the 2000 Tom Hanks film Cast Away,[1] the show is told in a heavily serialized manner. Due to its large ensemble cast and the cost of filming primarily on location in Oahu, Hawaii, the series was one of the most expensive on television, with the pilot alone costing over $14 million.[2] The fictional universe and mythology of Lost were expanded upon by a number of related media-most importantly a series of mini-episodes called Missing Pieces; and a 12-minute epilogue, "The New Man in Charge".
Lost has regularly been ranked by critics as one of the greatest television series of all time.[3][4][5] The first season had an estimated average of 16 million viewers per episode on ABC.[6] During its sixth and final season, the show averaged over 11 million U.S. viewers per episode. Lost was the recipient of hundreds of industry award nominations throughout its run and won numerous of these awards, including the Primetime Emmy Award for Outstanding Drama Series in 2005,[7] Best American Import at the British Academy Television Awards in 2005, the Golden Globe Award for Best Television Series - Drama in 2006, and the Screen Actors Guild Award for Outstanding Performance by an Ensemble in a Drama Series.
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Keeping some of the heroin around under Jack's supervision as an emergency painkiller wouldn't be the worst idea.
You can look up a list of all of Sawyer's nicknames. One of my favorite details of the show.
If nothing weird was going on - if they were survivors of a plane crash but there was no polar bears, no smoke monsters, no "others," no weird shit - and one guy kinda wigged out and took someone else's baby? Punching him three times, to tell him in no uncertain terms that that is unacceptable and actions have consequences, would be totally understandable.
But from Locke? After everything he's seen? Everything he's asked others to believe? Yeah, it seems like a place to ask Charlie questions, to keep a very close eye on him, to investigate. Maybe one punch...
This is one of the episodes I find hardest to watch. I think I have skipped it (or at least fast-forwarded through sections) on at least one rewatch, something I rarely do.
Same here. My least favourite episode in the series. It makes no sense for CLAIRE and LOCKE of all people to turn on Charlie. They've both acted crazy b/c of visions/dreams they had. The most hypocritical episode and it exists solely as character assassination of Charlie.
I think you nailed it earlier in the video when you said Charlie wasn't respecting Claire's boundaries, and that's the core issue. Charlie feels entitled to access the baby, but it's not his. If he can't respect when Claire says no, then there can't be a relationship going forward. And Charlie won't be able to force the issue. Claire can only let him back in (if she even wants it) once she believes he'll respect her boundaries. Instead he chose to take action unilaterally, and unfortunately there's a lot of that going around, particularly with Locke and Jack, but you could also say that of others.
I agree, and feel it should be more noted; instead people are complaing about 'Locke's a hypocite' or defending Charlie, ignoring this key issue right here. These issues really stood out to me, since he keeps doing it, making comments about Claire etc.
My view is that Locke didn't allow Charlie to choose for himself this time because he felt that his actions were now negatively affecting other people in the group (particularly Claire, of course) and that he was possibly becoming a genuine danger to Aaron's safety.
Early in season 1, Charlie's drug issues were only affecting him, so giving him the choice was far easier to reconcile. Plus, of course, his drugs were running out anyway at that time.
Also, speaking from experience, when you have already helped someone with an addiction and they start up again, it's so frustrating and disheartening that you do start to lose patience with them. So this could have also been a factor in Locke's decision to remove the drugs himself.
I also feel this accounts for the punches.
I don't think Charlie was using, but I'm not surprised that Locke doesn't trust this to be the case. I know it seems that he should have been more understanding because he knows the island is 'weird', but once drugs and lies are involved, most people would prefer to err on the side of caution when babies are being stolen from their cradles in the middle of night.
Fully agree with all this, including Locke was likely extra frustrated (both in Charlie and himself) thinking that Charlie was using again.
As many times as I've watched this series, this episode always hurts - it's a tribute to the writing, directing and to Dominic Monaghan. The baptism at the ending is beautiful.
Charlie's father wasn't abusive, it was a nightmare.
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@@letsrock1729 Hopefully some freak doesn't get his pants in a bunch about that being a spoiler.
@@Zso-VIII If you're worried about it being a spoiler, maybe you just shouldn't say it?
@@bafmd I'm not, since saying it's just a nightmare isn't spoiler.
But still, some people try to harass you over mentioning anything not explicitly spelled out. It's happened before.
@@Zso-VIII nobody harasses me about my comments because I don't provide spoilers. 🤔
Charlie bit my finger! owww Charlie that really hurt! 😂
6:38 This scene here causes trauma in me. 😅
There used to be a video on RUclips, back when the show was still running. It was like season 4 or so at this point and there was a video, called "Lost: Secrets Revealed" or something like that. And it showed this scene here, Charlie's hallucination in slow-mo....
And the moment the dove came flying towards the screen, suddenly a BIG SCREAM came and a huge, scary bloody polar bear was appearing and taking pretty much the whole screen. 😅
It was a prank, jumpscare video, but I have never been so shocked in my whole life.
I have since tried to find that video again (I remember the word "yesbutnobutyes" appearing at the end of the video) but I couldn't. I think I have it somewhere on my countless external hard drives, but I don't know where.
Safe to say, I was watching very closely with much attention, because back then we ALL wanted to know all the secrets from the Island...
But in the end it was just a prank jumpscare. The biggest one of my life.
Silent Hills / P.T. came a bit close to it later... 😅
OMG I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS EPISODE FOR SOOO LONG😭 tysm
But what was Charlie's plan after all? To dunk Aaron in the water in the middle of the night? I don't think he can perform a baptism anyway.
I've always assumed that Charlie was 100% using in this episode. It's shown from his perspective, but the show chooses not to show the drug use. That's why everyone comes across as so hostile because everyone knows he's using, but he sees what he's doing as perfectly rational. Because he's on drugs.
It's interesting that most people here seem to be thinking that he wasn't using, because I always assumed he was in this episode too.
Hurley: Thank you. You have no idea how long I've been waiting for someone to agree with me.
This show loves retributive violence. So often characters punching people and getting violent is framed as a good thing. (I think this is kind of just a reflection of the writers of the time tbh, mixed with a desire to be dramatic for high emotions/narrative moments.)
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Nurse here. Heroin is the street name for morphine. So, yes, Dr, Jack can definitely use in the event one of the survivors had a serious injury or illness.
... Heroin is NOT the street name for Morphine. Heroin is a drug made FROM Morphine.
That's like saying "Meth is the street name for Robitussin" or "Lego is a brand name for Petroleum"
Ohhh i had no idea. Thanks for the info!
@@TheLexiCrowd lol they were very wrong though.
Pheeww, we got over the rough patch in the series. I love Charlie, but I think you (us an an audience, at the time) could noticeably sense that there was no real forward momentum in the greater story.
This is such a painful episode to watch.
Worst episode of entire series IMHO.
A filler chapter for me, except for several parts of the flashback
You're certainly not wrong here. I'd say it's also the only bad one.. not just the most not-good, if that makes sense. People talk about a couple for one "reason" or another and every season has one that would lose in a comparison but this.. this was a warped reflection of the Lost that all too many unfortunately think existed. I'm glad it was just a brief glimpse of such decanted horrors. 8)
Not for me (I actually quite enjoy it, even though it's upsetting). My least favourite episode is in season 3 (not the famously polarising one, the other one 😉).
Edit: and 'Homecoming' is worse than this one, imo...the flashback is just so terrible that I cringe all the way through it.
@@letsrock1729 Which one? 🤔
@@t1m0p4hd3 Thailand. The 'polarising' one is actually a favourite of mine.
I'm so happy you didn't condemn Charlie as a dangerous baby killer like some people do. He absolutely screwed up, and he shouldn't have lied, or taken Aaron, or burnt anything. But he did not deserve getting beaten up by Locke, and then have everyone shun him as if he were a monster.
This is the episode that makes me dislike Locke sooooo much. He's still an interesting character, but I don't like him much as a person. Only last episode, he asked Jack "who are we to decide what anyone can or can't do?". But here he decided that he knows best, and that Charlie can absolutely not get actual visions from the island, because that's *his* thing and no one else's. If he had only waited a few seconds, he would have seen whether Charlie was gonna destroy the heroin or if he was gonna use it. But no, Locke didn't give him that chance, he just decided that he himself knows everything.
I'm always worried when I'm about to watch a reaction to this episode, because I hate seeing people completely trash Charlie without even trying to understand what's happening to him. So thank you for seeing his side too.
If there was one person that should have understood that Charlie was having visions, it should have been John. He had visions of an airplane, and of Boone that both became reality.
We'll never be sure of Charlie's real intentions with the heroine, but it could have been that he felt more in control of his recovery with the drugs available. It's too easy to claim sobriety when there is no temptation around.
So if a drug addict kidnaps your baby and takes him into the ocean, you're gonna label him as a good guy? Have you seen what people addicted to drugs are capable of? Some would kill a baby in a heartbeat for a $20 hit, they can never be trusted. I don't view Charlie as a murderer, but he deserved even worse than getting beaten up by Locke.
@@rl1171 The thing with this episode is that _we_ see the flashbacks and the visions; the other survivors do not. Even if Locke and the others could understand his visions, Charlie is still taking Aaron into the ocean and it looks like sometimes he doesn't even realize what he's doing.
Locke, last episode: who are we to tell people what to do. Locke this episode: Charlie, do as I say
I tend to avoid this Episode on rewatches b/c it's probably the worst of the entire series. Especially when you think about how hypocritical both Locke and Claire are being. They of all people should be the LAST to get upset at someone for following a dream/vision.
How many times did Claire SCREAM at people for not believing her dreams? And how often has Locke put himself and others in mortal danger b/c of a vision? He got Boone killed because of it!
And Charlie backed them BOTH up.
Charlie always believed in Claire. He almost Died a few times for her, and he was always the first to jump to protect and take care of her and Aaron, the first to believe her, support her, give her whatever help she needed or asked for.
Charlie always believed in Locke. When Jack asked if he trusted Locke, he said "Trust him? No offense, mate, but if there's one person on this island I would put my absolute faith in to save us all it would be John Locke."
But now, HE has a vision and tries to act on it, and they (along with others) completely turn on him.
And then she turns around and asks Ekko to do the exact thing they just disowned Charlie for trying.
This episode is The most poorly written, Hypocritical, Writer-forced character-assassination I've ever watched.
Claire too?
This episode includes the bit about Charlie's brother dropping his baby daughter. And we see Charlie apparently unstable and walking/running into the ocean carrying Aaron. You don't need the entire ocean to baptize a baby, he's endangering Aaron even if he has good intentions.
"And then she turns around and asks Ekko to do the exact thing they just disowned Charlie for trying" There's a big difference between starting a fire and taking the baby in the middle of the night and waiting to be asked to baptize the baby.
But Locke, yeah can't defend Locke in this one.
Charlie = choice. He makes some extremely dangerous and poor choices here. His choices have consequences.
Jesus never had sins Eko. That's the whole point. Have you even opened a Bible?
I think this episode is probably my least favourite of the show. I aaaalways skip this one on a rewatch.
One of my least favorite eps of the series. The show could have done without this one.
This episode is awful and absolutely wrecks Charlie as a character. And it’s probably the most egregious example of how big of a hypocritical asshole Locke can be at times. He’s the worst in this episode.
You're coming up to the point (season 2/3) where most people gave up on this show. You should follow that example, it does not get better.
girl shut up