Mixed In Key 10 Review, Accuracy Test and new Rekordbox Automated Cue Points!
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- Опубликовано: 8 май 2021
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So Mixed In Key just dropped Version 10 and they are saying it is the most accurate key detection software in the world, let's see for ourselves!! So is it worth the upgrade fee? We'll also take a look at their automated cue points feature - now compatible with Rekordbox. 
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Im currently your paid student man, u are a great professor thank you!
I use MiK and really like it, but never apply the auto cue points. I find that setting memory points and cue points manually is an important first step to really getting to know my tracks.
Thank you for the information man. amazing amazing work. You have a way of explaining that is vey easy to udnerstand and difficult to find. Keep it up my man
Awesome! Asked about accuracy between the two in your previous video. Thanks for dedicating a video to it!
Thanks for the idea, was a good one :)
Thank you for making these video's. You're an awesome teacher. I will definitely purchase the "club ready course" later on.
That's really awesome I really appreciate it and am proud of what I created :)
Your videos are always so helpful and inspiring! Thanks for doing what you do and sharing your knowledge with world. PS. Love your added humor it makes topics that are sometimes tedious fun to watch.
This is really interesting that all of those tools produce different results! Been Djing sing the late 80s and it's a trip how much tech there is for DJs now. I've used all of these tools like MiK, for the sake of trying them out at home, but I always fall back to doing it by ear live. You have to be able to do it on the fly depending on your crowd. One of the negatives of harmonic mixing is that it can sound like one long song, which gets boring. I end up using the key data only whilst getting to know songs and for hints at potentially good mixes. Great channel, cheers!
edit- And now throw stems in the mix, utter insanity the possibilities.
This is a great video. Thank you. What would you say about energy detection detection?
Love your videos. im learning a lot. Make a video using mixed in key.
Cheers
from Brasil m8.
Agree Mixed In Key sounded the closest. But it also confirmed that the vibe and right track is more important than the next songs key! I still use Mixed In Key and love the energy ratings it offers too!.
I'm always double check it 1 by 1 everytime😂😂 considering get mixed in key 1 to save my time 👍👍👍nice explain 👍👍👍
Best learner dj out there I've been djn since January now and I've learnt so much bro thank you
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Thanks Andrew it’s DjRawGazer great video information. ATM I’m happy with mixed in key 8
Thank you for saving a few € and the few tips you have given us.👍
Thank you for the time and effort in comparison, appreciate it!
Hi, I follow your videos with a lot of interest and each one I find very interesting and precise. I need help. I had the Mixed In Key 8.5 version and I had already analyzed the collection of 15,000 Mp3 songs, before installing the new one (10), I uninstalled the previous ones. Now I have done all the steps and analysis and I practically find in the comments the Energy category but not the key next to it and I don't know it gives me the idea that it has fished out the analysis of the old version .... there is a way to understand if everything goes well???? Thank you!!!!!
This the best information on the internet on mixing in key..... mixing in key only really works in theory.....If you really want to mix in key correctly make and play your own songs.....when i looked at Beatport Traxsource and rekordbox with different keys labeling for the same song i was like what is this.....
Thanks Bruh I agree 100%
Playing the corresponding chord on a guitar is another good way to check whether your software has got the key right
I think you should try this with more funky/"organic" house and see if the differences are bigger!
You're right of course but then they may not have had so much trouble identifying the key - catch 22 ;)
looking forward to the mix on the fly video from this!
I will aim to do it by next Monday :) sounds like fun in truth!
Thanks 4 this vid, i was trying this all out today and they all show different keys😅
3:52 Great lesson, as always!!! The way I understood the theory of mixing in key is that the relative minor (or major) of the dominant or subdominant could also be compatible. I.e. in theory, 9A could actually be compatible with 10B. Most software and key sync features on media players only regard the subdominant, the dominant and the submediant as compatible (i.e that only 8A, 10A and 9B are compatible with 9A) but apparently, also the relative minor/major of the (sub)dominants are possibly compatible. To my knowledge, only the Pioneer CDJ 3000s gets this right in the way they now implemented key sync. But, as always, trust your ears first; things may be compatible according to music theory, but if they don't sound right, forget it.
A helpful point. Thanks for sharing!
My understanding is that 8B would be compatible with 9A but 10B is not compatible with 9A.
I was unaware of MIK V10. Last I looked it was V8.5. This must be just for Rekordbox 6.
Also some tracks change key mid point. MIK will show the change.
To cross reference it is a good idea to look back at Beatport or your record pool to see.
I was very upset to find MIK changed the existing Cue Points. I made the mistake of not checking the settings.
A set to show MIK Key mixing and using MIK Cue points would be interesting.
As always a pleasure Andrew 👍
I think it's ridiculous that you have to pay for the upgrade when you already paid for mixed in key 8. 😒
I agree with you on 9A.
Cue points , bpm corrections, beat gridding, folder organization, and now trying to figure out which key is right 😂
Man there is so much tedious 'homework' to be done before one can even begin to mix.
Just get started don’t wait for perfection
Yo, you’re into dj’ing now?? What don’t you do????
@@P4boot 😆
@@amRUTHLESS12 oh I no. I have definitely started my journey with it. I just have these day dreams that consist of my entire music collection being 100% ready to use in any situation.
@@Savage_7_99 You'll find your taste for it, and it's so worth it once you put it together
So I have engine prime and record box but when they analyze they mess up the analyzing stuff if I were to get mix would it help a ton?
how accurate are the key points on mixed in key 10. I was wondering if its save to let mixed in key 10 add cue points and they work correctly. Also I have 8.5 not sure if its worth the upgrade
Hey Andrew, I sent an email to mixed in key regarding the upgrade from MIK8 TO MIK10 and they sent me a new VIP CODE! Please let users know in your next video! :D Much Love from Mauritius!
Does the energy level analyser in MIK worth it? There is a free alternative to it? I'm starting my career as a DJ and I will be playing a lot as a warm up, so I don't want to mess up too much with the crowd by playing a powerful song on the wrong time
Andrew You're the best, iv learnt alot from Your video
Thanks for the explanation and personal opinions regarding MIK, Andrew... much appreciated.
Do you find the Energy Level function of MIK is accurate as well? I'm playing my 1st club gig in less than a month and that feature of MIK appeals to me the most.
yes please give us your opinion on this, I asked you last time, but I guess you were busy or didn't see the question.
I don't really like the energy feature so not too sure, I always ignore it lol
@@ClubReadyDJSchool lol well that answers that , there is no need to buy mixed in key.. thanks Club Ready
i have a question...when you analyzed your music in mixed in key did you get messages saying your music is clipped?
Is mixed in key necessary if all your downloaded music is from BPM Supreme? Looks like BPM has the key listed, but not sure if mixed in key would make it more accurate for when putting it in rekordbox?
I suppose it's no real surprise that in many cases those tracks would match up fairly well even though the key detection came back differently. At the end of the day there are only 12 notes in the western musical scale and only seven of those are used in any given key. Depending on the phrases you were mixing on then you may find that some of those key differences sounded better or worse elsewhere in the track. Whilst being in the right key is critical for a musician the way western music works makes things much easier from the perspective of a dj trying to find something that blends with the current track.
Well said
Why don't the producers publish the dominant key..
Sometimes they do but often it's hard to find :/ not sure why.... good question :)
So I just imported hot cues from MIK to Rekordbox and memory cues are showing up in the same spots, even for tracks that did not have them previously.
Nice channel!
I seem to have a problem with mixed in key that I can't find an answer to. When I drag my songs from rekordbox into mixed in key everything works great except when I reload my tags in rekordbox to update the analysis I lose my song artwork every time. Does anyone know why this keeps happening?
3rd example sounds fine too
2nd example sounds like it’s harmonizing well
If you layer a Tune in and the Keys clash a little bit wack on the Flanger, Phazer, Jet ect make it sound even more Funky like you meant it xD
Thank you for the helpful video!👍 Quick question: Can MIK configure different colors of the cue points? E.g. drop = red, breakdown = blue
Energy level is also quite handy on mixed in key.
Agree... Is probably the one piece of data I find the most useful, the conveniences of such data is, sure, related to key yet also takes into account the composition, as for how 'busy' the track is, which comes in very handy when sorting.
Love your analysis and results.... may i ask if you also use Platinum Notes 4 ? along with Mix In Key ?
Only get mix in key, don’t get the bundles
I don't personally but happy to look into it, do you rate it?
@@ClubReadyDJSchool The only software i have ever used with Rekordbox are MIK 8,10, Platinum Notes 4.0 and Audacity.... Platinum Notes uses studio filters to process your files. It corrects pitch, improves volume and makes every file ready to play anywhere - from your Collection to a festival sound system... so they say....!!! so i import tracks into Platinum Notes, Then into MIK, then to Rekordbox... results seem to be fine... i have never used any of the plugin etc as i dont produce or use Abelton.. im sure you understand.. i bought PN alongside MIK..
They say that even a stopped clock is right twice a day and on that point if a software is consistent in the way that it analyses the key does it matter if it is wrong?
What do you think about the energy detection? The energy detection feature seems interesting for me because this will reduce a lot of time with tagging tunes on energy. The only thing that I am skeptical about is how accurate the energy detection is. Maybe an idea to test/review this feature in a next video?
I am not that into the energy feature but if it works for you go for it - no harm :)
A song can be two keys at the same time. A lot of songs swap from major to a minor chord for certain sections, like the breakdown for example, so the song can be in A Minor but swaps to A Major for the breakdown and I guess Serato could pick up on the one note from the major scale and not be able to set the song to A Minor, as that note doesn't exist in that scale. You can test this by recording each phrase of the song seperately and then running them all through Serato and I bet they are all in A Minor apart from 1 or two phrases, which will be in Major.
Doesnt Traktor now natively add the key for all tracks when analyzing?
Is there a improvement in mix in key to detect major keys, in the past mik often chosen to as minor scale. I notice often was a problem with F major where 7B was move 4A.
Also it well know that beatport keys are not accurate as tunebat (which use Spotify analytics).
Yes
but if i want to add more songs do i have to do THE WHOLE COLLECTION again with the cue points exporting? just want to do a couple more songs witouth starting over again :/
Hi Andreu, I would like to ask mixed in key does not show cue points on wav files. do you prepare your sets with mp3 format? How do you transfer cue points of mixed in key to recordbox?
Hey!
Really hope you can help - I'm doing all the steps to export the cue points from MIK to RB but the cue points aren't coming up? Have tried to resolve this for hours!
Not sure what to say, I just copied the steps from their video on their site and it worked for me, not sure what to say besides double check everything's pointing to the right direction, otherwise contact MIK help. Good luck :)
can the program detect dorian, lydian, mixolydian frets?
I did all you did but for some reason k can find mkhotcue on my rekordbox xml?
Does anybody know how to get the keys to appear next to the track names when browsing on an XDJ-700 without having to click into each individual track?
Why when I analyze and song it says for example 8A but when I analyze only the vocal it says 1A for example? Why is this happening and what can I do?? And how could you do that Rekordbox analize the key of the tracks by using the analysis of Mix in key (because rekordbox sometines is wrong so I want that in Rekordbox appear the analysis of Mix in key only)??
Legend!
After using mixed in key 8 it only shows the energy level in the recordbox 6 comments
Very Interesting analysis.. This is an excellent lesson to new DJ's.. TRUST YOUR EARS.. Not what a computer/ software is telling you
Boom!
When I question the key between softwares I look up the songs key. Google tends to have that information. Then I know exactly where it is because when a song goes through all legal stuff the key of the song is reported for the trademarking and copyrighting.
Hi!
I have 2 questions about MIK10 and Rekordbox:
1) If i add to my RB library a new track, after been analized by MIK10...I still need to follow the process described in the tutorial -export cue points- ? Or RB will automatically detect the cue points?
2) In my RB collection i have Folders and Subfolders....but in MIK10 just tracks...there's any problem exporting with that? Or i have to analize track by track and manually create the folders?
Tks
Nicolas
I havr the same problem
whats cool though is the piano in there - which i used to do all the time .....
I just purchased MIK10, works fine for me.
I only have one issue, when i have new tracks and analyse them with MIK10 and export the que points it always exports the whole collection to rekordbox. It then overwrites the other que points. I always change the color of a que point for mixing in points. What am i doing wrong?
Bit hard to explain in comments perhaps a topic for a future video - sorry I couldn't be more helpful :/
Virtual dj can do it and it is much less complicated . It will sort all of your music and select songs that go well together as you play.
True, i always used vdj key detector function but found out today it has the wrong key just like all the other programs with key detector fuctions, i think i will just use my ears and use the key detection as a extra tool
@@mysteriousd.1124 it may well be wrong, but it does seem to be wrong consistently! As in if it says the two tracks are in the same or complimentary keys, they do tend to play ok together
Mixed in key is definitely closer then any other software. Even though I have xdj xz I rather use memory cues instead so I’ll be sticking with mixed in key 8
Hey, just to pick your brain real quick - on the xdj xz can you choose to search in stand-alone mode Camelot Key (9a/8a etc.) or does it utilize Western music key aka E minor to search?
@@brittanys.8896 on the xdj xz you have the option between Camelot key or western music key. It can be found in rekordbox settings and xz screen settings (:
Please make a Video on Memory Cues VS Hot cues Am Confused
Good idea, will do
i followed your steps with the automated cue point but they do not show in rekordbox. My old hot cue's weren't even overwritten.
Ok so I’ve added all cue points from MIK. I have purchased more new tracks. In my collection they show WITHOUT the hot cues from MIK. How do I add the MIK cue points to the new tracks I’ve brought? Really struggling with this
It's been a while since I've used MIK but this is a good video idea - making one solely about MIK cues - give me a few weeks, but yes, this has been added to my list of to do - thank you!
Hi sir,
Problem create:-
(The rekordbox XML file specified is unable to be properly.)
Some how, I have tried deleting and re importing the musics but still dont see MIK file on the playlist can someone help me out please, stuck for 5 hours
My upgrade to 10 from 8 was free? As all the updates of MIK have been since I purchased the first version!
They made me pay - bastards lol!
If you bought it in february 2021. or later the upgrade is free.
Ran my tracks through platinum keys before I did this. So it should be fine right? Don't want to have to run everything through platinum keys again
Do you need to export the library each time you want the cue points to be added to the library or is this a one time setup?
No i think you just need to do the last steps - drag music in - from there on :)
@@ClubReadyDJSchool Thanks for that, I'll might have a go with this. Btw, love your videos and especially how you're always sending positive vibes. Brings a smile to my face every time I watch you!!!
How do you know if you are setting hot cues or memory cues. I know the difference, I think, but not sure if I've set the right ones.
hot cues should be letters eg: A, B, C etc etc as memory cues are red dots. Memory cues are good for mapping in and out points while hot cues are good for jumping around the track real time.
16:12 - I’ve experienced lagging when loading the track from a USB on CDJs is this normal?
It can happen when using cheaper USBS. Try the sandisk USB ultra 3.0 (not 3.1) I did a video about USBS on my channel, check it out :)
Why not use the keyboard where you can play the different notes in MIK surely thats also a good way of checking keys
This does make more sense yes :)
I’m now half way through your video...After hearing Loco I’m not surprised every single software got it wrong, all you hear is drums
The Mixed in Key track just sounded the best mixed with the first track.
6 and a half mins in and I've made the decision that I'm as well going with traktors decided key as the technology offered all offer different opinions to key, and won't actually matter as you could be mixing two songs that are out of key anyway (even though they say they're in key)
Mixing in key is great with R&B and Hip Hop.
When you are using the Crate functionality from BPM Supreme to download a entire set of mp3 files, then Mixed in Key will not work properly, and no XML files will be imported into Rekordbox. To make it work, you need to download mp3 files individually, without using the Crate Zip option from BPM website. At least, this worked for me.
Comparing to other tracks might not be accurate either, e.g. if I compare a supposedly 12B to a 12B track, an in reality they are both wrong are are actually 9B, then I could be in trouble when trying to mix these with other tracks :)
I’ve used every version of mixed in key. Every version is terrible at generating cue points. How hard is it to find the first downbeat than setting a cue point at the beginning of the 9th bar
I think just use your ears I create a playlist and then use rekordbox to match the key and then go from there if that makes sense 🔊🔊🔊
yup
is it worth to upgrate 8.5 to 10???? pls answer
watch the video, as it comes down to different variables - IMO I probably wouldn't upgrade 8.5 works just fine
Mixed in Key is works best with Trance
9a on the the note.
They all sounded compatible, but MIK almost sounded like the same track. U would need to do this for hundreds of times to truly check which is the most accurate, but on this vid, MIK was the best I reckon
magic
#A #B have relative minor/major relationship, they essentially have the same notes/chords/keys played together but have their semi-tones positioned differently, and these semi-tones are whats different. In a sequence the major key could be playing a F, and the minor key is playing a F#, which is half-sep higher. To most people its almost not noticeable. You can even play 9A, 9B, 10A, 10B in criss-cross fashion because they have relative minor/major relationship (again just positioning of the minor/major keys, just 1 or 2 different notes). At the end of the day, its the overall vibe of the song, the keys are just cheatsheet guide but shouldn't be the deciding factor of choosing what to drop next. You sir, as you said before listing to the tracks is the secret key to good set and those aspiring DJ's should understand that it's part of the investment to have a good set.
Where Dorian, Lydian, Mixolidian?
You can ''cheat' by having one bass line playing lower than the other to ''hide'' the difference but the song cannot be too far away in key or it will show!
Automated cue points at 12:25
Cheers
different parts of a song can be in different keys too , just to add to the confusion . Mixing in Key all the time can just sound really boring so for most music dont worry too much !
Hows about Pioneer get off their asses and incorporate automated cue points and mapping into Rekordbox rather than have to spend more time and money on further software!!? It can take me upwards of 12 hours to map and put cue points into tracks esp if im adding a lot of stuff which i have carefully selected. This would be very useful, although i wonder how such Software would decipher those tricky extra 4 or 8 beats at the end of a breakdown that will mess up your mix
Why would Pioneer do that when they have 90%+ market share anyway. People need to vote with their feet. Having bedroom djs stop buying Ddj400s when there are tons of better and cheaper alternatives would be a nice start.
@@MrSegmentfault yeah im guilty too, to be honest i know almost nothing about other gear and everything is quantised to rekordbox it would be a nightmare switching to anything incompatible. I quite like the Denon Gear however.
just add the cue points upon first play of the track. stuff doing pre-set cue point creation - we didnt have that in the vinyl days...
@@jamesLG1 yes but for me it is time consuming, n I dont play on vinyl bro
Kind of salty because I just bought Mixed In Key 8 couple of months ago... but in the same time I don't really see anything new in v10. Could have easily been a free upgrade for v8 users but then I guess you can't milk the cow that way 🧐
Apparently if you email them about it they send you a new V.I.P. Code and your good to go. Hope that helps 😀
I think the problem is “Loco” there’s no real melody on the track...
don't the artists that make the songs know what key their songs are in? Why don they just upload that meta data? Is their a standard for that? Does Beatport not require that of artists when they upload their music etc?
you would think so
You can also use the key from where you buy it from. Beatport gives you both key and bpm.
Key from beatport uses their own internal analyzer and does not match Mixed in Key often
@@msalem17 When I release tracks on Beatport I give them the key and they use it. Maybe some tracks don't get uploaded with the key and they guess it then?
@@toddgattfry5405 Interesting, I don't think that's for all songs or at least it didn't used to be (see article linked where they manually tested both albeit a few years). Also subjectively I've found beatports keys to be really off at times when compared to MIK with MIK's result being more accurate. blog.dubspot.com/dubspot-lab-report-mixed-in-key-vs-beatport/
@@msalem17 That is interesting! Thanks for sharing :)
Mixed in key demands a constant online connection. Rekordbox does not!
And i think that Pioneer are the most accurate as they are a way way bigger company with their products in hearts and mind!