Why I Use Mix In Key AND Platinum Notes!
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- Опубликовано: 28 июл 2024
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In today's video, I discuss two new programs I have started using for all my DJ sets, Mix in Key and Platinum Notes.
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Hi Phil great content in your video 🙌🙌🙌🙌 my question is ..???? Which way do you do your music is it mix in key 1st then platinum notes, or do you do it the other way round, then do you import into Rekordbox….???? 👊🏻
I remember when I bout these 2 bits of software 14 years ago back in 2007, it really was a game changer. People wondered how I could get my mixes sounding so good, I used to pretend I was just doing it by ear lol. Good video
Great vids Phil... I'm no expert and play mainly Old Skool Soul & Motown stuff, but I did a similar basic PN test on several tracks about a year ago, and without doubt, to my untrained ear, virtually all the finalised PN tracks sounded much better and 'Richer' in tone. The difference in the results was especially marked when it came to those Old Skool classics. The obvious benefit is also the audio levels being made the same. So... I have patiently gone through thousands of my library tracks in PN and I'm more than happy with the new sound. I would def' recommend the software to anyone who wants to 'enhance' their sound. Keep up the good work mate... very informative and you're a natural on here.
Wow. Fantastic video man. Shows your understanding of music like crazy
What I also find very useful is that MiK shows any modulations (key changes) within tracks.
Set the volume db to around 9.5-10, this will allow you to have all knobs including trim at 12 o clock on the mixer. It's also close to original volume, so some tracks will have their volume increased/decreased marginally to bring them in line. I have clipped peaks on, warmth off, just original sound. Pitch adjustment off, this will wreck que points if you have it on because its adjusts beat grid for Rekordbox.
What about clipped peak repair what should that be
Hi there
do you have Multiband Expansion on or off?
Been using PN for so so many years and I would never stop using it! I'm still using PN3 because I found PN4 makes the waveforms look like building blocks
Perfect video I mean... You answered all questions I had when I was asking to RUclips 😋 Thank You !
I use Platinum Notes on my older tracks that was either recorded in from Vinyl or earlier music that is overall recorded low. I don't change newer music unless it has low volume.
Hello Phil, I've been DJing for 25+ years and since the beginning I always rely on my hearing, I recently got Mixed in Key and yes, visually it helps. Your video was very helpful not to get Platinum Notes, so I just wanted to thank you! :-)
Why was the video helpful to NOT get Platinum Notes?
@@jlagden Because I only work with WAV or AIF and the fact to duplicate my music libraries meant to duplicate ext hard drives.
I have PN. I can't tell the difference at headphone or normal speaker volume but when you run the tunes through PA speakers you start to hear it. RUclips audio quality won't give us the difference either.
They advertise PN as software for djs because djs are using PA systems!
THat is probably the best point yet made in regards to PN. Thank you for sharing.
I agree and thats what ive been told its when we are actually bringing our tracks on to bigger speaker rigs is where you will hear the difference
thats true ... I heard many times the difference on PA speakers
I listened to the video with headphones and I notice a difference between the songs. 😉
Interesting. I've heard people say Platinum Notes is irreplaceable in their work flow, and I've heard people say it's snake oil. Nice to see some actual analysis on it.
Yeah I'm more leaning towards snake oil. All though my mind could be changed especially if they made the software able to be trial for a period of time. I'm willing to give it a chance, but I don't think I'm willing to spend a $100 in order to find out. One of the reasons I came to thisvideo which was super helpful, but I"m still thinking... Wait so is he getting benefit from it? Noticable? What about the mastering that the original artist and team produced? Shouldn't I be trusting them? I'm thinking this could be extremely powerful for ripping vinyl, but for a random 100 tracks off beatport are we going to see a huge difference?
Hi Phil love the video what do you think about volume being low on the mixer afterwards? Also if I get track that’s too hot to start with do you think platinum notes takes too much away bass etc
Phil's got a weird sense of humour or is it only me who finds first 30 second notification thing kinda funny .
OH I'M JUST WIERD I GUESS .
Hey Phil! Great video! I have a question though, at what volume should I set my Acapella's? I correct my tracks at -12db in PN. Thanks ✌🏼🌌
Used to use mixed in key I use Tunebat it’s free like the sound of platinum note
great video, i was a bit sceptical about what it does to dynamics and quality of individual track mix but this gives me a bit more confidence to use it for my rekordbox... let's see how it goes :O
I would be interested to know if you modified any of the settings / what your settings are set to in PN4 under the "Edit Multiband Dynamics" section?
Hi, for some tracks, the changed is quite good, in others, no difference. Of course, depends if the tracks (I used Afrika Bambaataa - Just Get Up And Dance (Club Mix) and probably the version of the remix was made long ago). Cheers!
Doing Gods work
Hi Phil, thanks for this video. I use Patinum Notes for about 2 years now and actually I'm not as satisfied as I might think I should be. When processing the tracks to the program, it seems like all of the dynamics are gone. Example, this track made was a big eye opener for me: "E.R.N.E.S.T.O, Arango - Bochica (Original Mix)". When I listen to the original file and the new one created by Platinum Notes, I can hear all of my bass is gone when processing it through PN. Personally I think the function "enable clipped peak..." screwed up all of the dynamics because when this is not turned on, the processed track by PN is almost/exactly the same as the original one, can't hear the difference. Let me know your thoughts! All the best, Cheers!
I thought this could be an issue, thanks for bringing it up... do you still use PN? If only used to normalise volumes does the quality and range stay the same?
Wow! Wow!🙆♂️👌🔥
gracias! great
Hi Phil at the beginning thank you for your advice, I wanted to ask if after analyzing the song in platinum notes it will be a new version of the song, all cue and meta data will not copy? Will I have to set everything up again? greetings :)
Awesome video
After my songs are analyzed, how do you integrate them into serato? Is there a easy trick to this that I’m missing?
I thought PN sounded better on the A/B split. But I've tuned my ears for years to hear very slight differences.
Question for Phil: Should I get the lossless file version of a track when I download from Beatport if I use PN? Or is 320kbps still okay?
I do an EDM podcast thats a continual (oldskool now?) DJ mix, and I primarily mix it all using Traktor. It's a PAIN in the ARSE to try and get the audio levels of the songs to match up perfectly even though Traktor attempts to do it, so Platinum Notes would be a Godsend. You don't want your listeners having to adjust the volume throughout the mix. So I end up spending too much time editing the volume levels in my DAW after it's mixed.
Then PN is for you. I use it all the time now
Which template do you use? The "Official" or the "Festival"? I cannot decide which one to use. In my opinion the "Festival" emphasizes the highs while the Official emphasizes the lows. And it's like "pick your poison". And the most painful part for me is the thought that the original file sounded way better. Thoughts?
This is really well done. I've been using both MIK and PN for years for similar reasons as you. One huge tip I'd like to stress is that it's best to turn off that added warmth and fix pitch (and even fix clipped peaks, honestly) and just use PN to batch normalize your tracks. Also, hugely, no matter whether you're dropping lossless or lossy files into PN, always export to a lossless format so you aren't lossy compressing an already lossy compressed file. For me, I have PN set to export as wav and then I use iTunes to convert that file to apple lossless. That's always been my workflow and I think PN can actually export to apple lossless but I can't remember. Just...whatever you, don't convert a PN'd file back into a lossy format (like mp3) for the love of God. This is a good time to establish a truly independent folder for your curated DJ tracks if you haven't already done so.
If you export as an MP3 could it cause issues with the volume of the track? The tracks I put through PN4 some of them have parts in the songs that go into the red!!!!
thanks man
For me Dj-ing is expensive hobby 🔥
It's cost more and more and more everytime 😅. But it's worth it 👌🏽
Love the video!
i accidentally put the limiter character on 5 and all my music has been through that. Is this a problem? i don't know where the limiter is for?
Did you have any problems loading mixing in key with racker Box when you are using an external hard drive
What DB should I select as an output ?
Hello , maybe you can help me with an answer...or anybody. Mp3Gain is not doing almost te same thing? Mp3Gain, you think it is ok soft for doing this?
As far as my files go, i set them all to -3db not more or less, and i use wavepad by NCH software.
do you select peak or RMS when you do this?
Keep it up Phil! X
Hello Phil im one of your avid subscribers. I have a question is it normal the beat grid of the song after i analyze them with platinum notes gets smaller? Because i noticed after my songs analyze by PN4 when i compared them to the original file because i made a backup those music analyze by PN4 are much smaller. By the way i am using rekordbox software.
I am very interesting in using this software thank you for this video. I don't mind spending the $98 if it's going to help me sound the best as I want to be when I'm playing music, sound quality is a big thing to me because music speaks to people's emotions and can change them in a positive or a negative way. What is your gut feeling on this software?
Great informative video. Also, there is NEVER too much info. As a dj/musician that's also a sound engineer and tech, the VAST number of djs NEED to learn about this stuff.
I'm sure we aren't too far away from Dj software including a loudness standard algorithm to avoid this all together. Plus metering on most dj controllers are so far from accurate they are practically useless, just like the autogain features.
I got so fed up, I run all my tracks through Izotope Ozone auto mastering and then adjust all the parameters to my liking. Now all my track are much more uniform in both loudness and frequency response.
Basically what all us djs are doing now, is what radio stations have done for the last 40 years.
hey phill , whats better add warmth or not ?
If you put the PN track into Spek does it look the same as the original?
How do you avoid duplicate files ?
i bought the mixed in key complete bundle and never make it work with rekordbox :(
hello can i get some training on working mixed in keys10. im willing to pay for a class to be able to work with this?
just bought it, and yes it helps to have the same level, but at the same time sounds a bit bit clear, of course in a wav and aiff files is more difficult to listen the diferences, is only a opinion ;) but i was thinking another question, with that software you can add any track in mp3 and turn into aiff?
MIK is great, but I've heard mixed to negative reviews in regard to PN
Hi, why should I use Platinum Notes to change the volum of the original uncompresed file if i can use Auto Gain in Traktor Pro ?
XML ISSUES WHEN LOADING RECORDBOX AND GETTING KEYS FROM MIX IN KEY
I use traktor so not too much to worry about
1 question about the 'new' files from PN... If I buy PN and use this on my dj library, will the metadata (cue points, color codes,saved loops,...) still be on the new file PN creates, or is this metadata stored within the dj software and not in the audio file? In my case I am using Serato DJ Pro
In my experience, as PN creates a new file, you need to add cues, color codes etc again cause most setting are saved in the DJ software's database. So, before handling the tracks in my software I prepped them with MIK & PN. Another thing that worked more or less: I'm working with Virtual DJ. When I rename the original track in file explorer, I get an error in my VDJ playlist. The track is still listed, but it's not available. VDJ offers the possibility to search for the missing track. But instead of linking to the original renamed track, I select the newly created PN track.
Have you tried enabling your "Auto Gain" in your DJ Software before trying the Platinum Notes?
9:58 Not just from vinyl! Besides that it also could be because of tape to tape - so many tracks before the 90s sigh, but...
I've even had one track from Beatport that was not exactly on pitch. As such it has, if it was in 1A, instead +- 1A - G#m as it's key.
Is there a correct order to do this? I have both MIK & PN (w/ rekordbox) but not 100% sure which order. I think PN first? because it creates a new file? And then dump into Rekordbox & then MIK? thanks!
Do something about the uneven stereo sound. When you speak. Use mono perhaps on vocals 🙄
I think these programs along with beat sync are awesome tools if not heavily relied on. I still try to manually beatmatch, trusting my ears to normalize volume and know when two songs go well together. If you are new to dj mixing, please learn the basics, don't rely on technology to do it for you. I will always use a calculator, but it's good to know i can add without one.
Phil has a good amount of experience with DJing, as do a lot of us. I'm so happy that I learned how to DJ on vinyl in the 90's and even still to this day the majority of my DJing has been seleting playlists and tracks on the fly and manually beatmatching, however. My latest hardware (past 10 15 years) tells me the BPM, I rarely use Master/Sync but I first set the tempos to match (why wouldn't I?) with Pioneer CDJs you don't have to spend 20 seconds adjusting tempo, it cuts it down to like 5 seconds or less, of course we are still going to use the platter and minor adjustments in pitch to ensure it stays on point. But that's just because we are human and dropping th track in sometimes it's slightly off and you use you eras to figure that out. I hear a lot of people say what you just did and mate, it just doesn't make a whole lot of sense. I'm also a programmer and over 20 years new frameworks and tools have come out and I learn them, of course I have the experience of doing it the hard way, but if we use the technology to help, we find out job getting easier and leaves more room for creativity and less possibility of disasters.
I keep seeing an ad for Platinum Notes when I run MIK 10 but the fact I have to then re-analyse the new tracks and the subsequent importing into RB to has put me off, I do understand the value of keeping the original but it seems a lot of work...
Platinum notes, what about mp3 source? Surely you need lossless format to input otherwise the output mp3 would be re-encoded and quality would suffer?
Good point. But I think it is safe to say, if I couldn’t tell quality with mp3 then wag would be the same
what is the correct workflow? I dragged and dropped my tracks from recordbox into Platinum notes. After the analysis I moved everything into the MIK. That should have taken over the analysis from PN, right? Because I load everything back into recordbox, the tracks are as before
I think it's all to do with time, how long did it take you to do say 10 tracks?
It was ok for me because my tracks were pre sorted of the hard drive, not on rekordbox. One of my biggest tips for newbies
Hi Phil, or anyone who can help me please. I’ve followed the online videos by running my music through platinum notes then moving those into mixed in key, can anyone tell me how I then move them from mixed in key, into record box please
Its easy, check mik tutorials
I thought The tops were slightly clearer in A? Also can’t you use audacity to make all your tracks the same level, for free?
I don’t know, what’s audacity?
@@DJPhilHarris one of the best and more complete audio software, for free ! You can edit mixes, change format, etc. You should check it out. It's a must :)
Yes and No on Audacity. You can use it, but PN has uniquely designed algorithms that know the ins and outs of the wave form when making an adjustment, as to where Audacity just moves the DB volume across the board. It's like having a custom tailor resize your shirt vs just shrinking it in the washing machine.
Anyone know why platinum notes turns my wavs into mp3s... Thanks
It's a setting; you can also convert to flac, aiff, alac, wav,... Check personalise > output format
I will say I have used serato since day 1 and it isn’t the best with keys!
I'm surprised as I can hear the difference. Mainly, the non-modified version sounded harsh even with the volume adjusted.
Also it's hard to tell on RUclips because it's recompressing the audio for the video.
How is MIK on the cpu , I read somewhere before that it drives the cpu to 100% and has caused some peoples machines to shut right off while analyzing big track collections ? I tried looking for confirmation on their forums but they are virtually dead.
@5 DJ Thanks for the reply, I have one other question how intense it is on your cpu usage/temperature wise ?
@5 DJ ok TYVM
Damn .... my 7000 + music collection is gonna take forever if I analyze my tracks in groups of 20 😭😭😭.
Also, there are about 500 tracks in 16 bit 44kHz .flac format...
@5 DJ Damn .... my 7000 + music collection is gonna take forever if I analyze my tracks in groups of 20 😭😭😭.
Also, there are about 500 tracks in 16 bit 44kHz .flac format...
@5 DJ thanx for ur advice mate! My issue tho is that I don't use serato, I use virtual dj.... so I need MIK cuz vd key detection algorithm really ... sucks, to put it mildly 😭
Also, I recently acquired the Hercules dj inpulse 500, with DJUCED.... but I don't wanna used DJUCED cuz then I will lose all my cue points ... which is why I'm sticking to Virtual DJ - less work and no learning curve....
what about auto gain in rekordbox? For me it works
I didn't know Rekordbox had this. Where is it located??
Platinum Notes initially sounded better than the original because it added some high end. Then I turned the volume up and realized that PN added a bunch of noise. Not great.
i will say that virtual dj is my daily software but i will be moving to serato soon because obviously you show that its not good at detecting keys and also its the same with bpm
Virtual DJ is more reliable than Serato for key detection!!
@@DJNanzee I've been using it for a while and it gets 50% accurate keys to tracks
Hi Phil I’ve noticed that some tracks sit on -12.5 and the others sit on -12.3 to -12.8 any idea how to fix that
How much dB we should setup the songs in PN? The ones for DJ pools are more loud than the ones are standardized through this software in -12'5db
I would think that setting your DB anywhere within reason is fine as long as all your tracks are at that same level. You can adjust your gain or master volume then just one time if needed. Good question.
I use MIK, only thing is it changed all my Cue points. Something else to keep in mind is that just because a track has the same musical key doesn’t mean it will mesh with the current track playing.
What about WAV’s?
Just mentioning but Serato used to make tracks the same volume level before they changed to Lite and Pro. Why they no longer do this is a bit concerning. This is one of the many reasons why I may be switching to Rekordbox.
Oh I didn’t know serato had that feature?
@@DJPhilHarris they used to have that feature when tracks where analyzed, it would make the tracks the same volumes. As for actually changing the clip points, I’m not so sure of my previous statement.
I have to say that over the past 3 years Serato has been somewhat slacking with their Pioneer gear. That leads to thinking about alternatives like Rekordbox as that is the native Pioneer Application.
Maybe it’s just me, who knows?
Beatport shows the right key?
Yeah
Beatport and Traktor but they have less accuracy than MiK
Can't hear the difference
Expanders don't really work and can make the problem worse. Maybe an AI in the future will be able to understand the content of the music, separate the individual components (stems), repair the volume of individual stems, and mix everything into a new track.
Do you think it's a good idea just to delete the original file once you have the Platinum Notes version?
No, I think keep them
@@DJPhilHarris . I've heard others say to keep them, why tho? Thanks
I always keep the originals in my archive. Usually I convert to mp3 320 Kbps, but maybe for some reason I might decide to move to flac later on. Especially for the WAV originals. Or, maybe I want PN to apply the festial settings instead of gentle warmth.
ive got mixed in mix as its better
Anybody else freaking out about using the Sharpie over the equipment? 😩
Techno music is losing sound with platinum notes! Tried it and the music lost some soul from the music.
same prob dude
virtual dj 2021 isnt always accurate
Don't I know it.....I'm always pissed at the fact that none of the keys in my ritual dj 2020 match beatport🙆🏾♂️🙆🏾♂️
platinum notes will turn all the way down of the track volume, dynamic range etc...and i don't recommend to use it too
Audacity is free open source software and does exactly the same as Platinum Notes, saving $97
What exaxtly do you do in Audacity? I mean which option do you click?
@@dj.jojo.p I have no idea, I've never used it, I just know about it.
@@DJShadow1966 yes you could achieve a certain level of audio and enhancement but trying to compare audacity to Izotope plug ins (plat. notes) is like comparing a buick regal to a corvette they just run better..
Audacity is a nice free DAW, but it is a standard across the board adjustment as to where PN really has more advanced algorithmic technology that does customized true fixes.
platinum notes would ruin dynamic range and the actual lossless accuracy
it's bullshit i leave the music as it is...
Me too. First of all because I am too lazy to do all those software blablabla, I just wan’t to play and turn knobs😂. And second, I don’t hear the difference🤷♂️
@@RC75 "Because I'm a Noob" would have been more accurate and less words to type 🙄
@@Msantor1605 Wooooow, the girl can talk😱
Phil...
Please take down that (one) RUclips award off your wall behind you. Your wall is naked with one award. You're worth more. Put more stuff up or wait until you get all the awards you're due!
I quite like it. I feel it gives my videos a stamp of approval
@@DJPhilHarris rock it proudly
You talk too much...just show