Just found your channel, and I must say, THIS is my kind of vehicle review. Mechanic of 37 years and just love what you're doing, subscribed and thumbs up!!! Hope your channel grows!
Absolutely love these reviews that focus on all the important bits and not the typical "number of cupholders" that the vehicle has. I must say that the quality and assembly of this thing is way too janky and complicated. In no way does it inspire much confidence in terms of reliability and long term longevity. As always, excellent work!
Wow, I’m totally unimpressed! I thought these were really nice when they came out…But after seeing what’s underneath, I can confidently say that they made Jeeps better 20 years ago. The drain plug locations alone show the complete lack of engineering and planning. I really enjoy the toothbrush commentary, very funny!
don't worry about the frame rusting out at the back because this thing won't last long enough for this to happen it will probably start to fall apart after 4 years.
...start and finish in about 24 years. But most of these buyers bail after the warranty is up, so who cares these days. Just make sure the touch screen works.
Great video! Just reminds me why I don't want a new vehicle, (never a Chrysler product either) especially the last thing you mentioned about stuffing twin turbos and more piping in a 4 and 6 cylinders!
Awesome review. Too bad this rolling turd had a boat load of issues. Already replaced a failed brake booster and master cylinder, which had less than 1000 miles on the meter. Our shop already replaced the entire harness from front to back on 2 of them that had electrical issues. We found a few wires that had lost continuity where part of the harness splits off, probably stress from stretching then snapping off. These had less than 2k miles on them.
The brakes! Yes, the brakes! I work for a rental car company so I get to drive a wide variety of vehicles including the Wagoneer and you nailed the brakes...they're not confidence inspiring at all. Edit: And that engine does not like cold weather from what I can tell. I got in one today that got a good cd soak in 10°F temps overnight and it was not happy. Took a few minutes to smooth out and quiet down a bit
@@speedkar99 I'm a member in this small online forum called TeamBHP, we'd really appreciate these non-cupholder reviews. Promise to send as many of our brothers T-shirts as may be required 😜
@@jahmanborneo1343 I know, just frustrated at all those cupholder reviews by sellout auto-journos... Being a developing country, we need people who can uncover the important parts of the car and put things into perspective based on the Indian car scene and how car makers cut costs due to a complete lack of awareness among gullible people and poor govt regulations.
"Stupid design" you say. It is indeed true! By working as a consultant for big companies in automotive, medtech etc industries I can only observe & confirm an increase of stupid designs, unfortunately. One of the reason is outsourcing. And I dont mean outsourcing of the machinery production or software, I mean outsourcing of the design engineering. Many engineers (mechanical, thermal, structural etc) in those, typically 3rd world/developing countries are underpaid, overloaded, not experienced and not motivated. Most of them are unlikely to even own such vehicle. Thus, the design suffers. But, contrary to these designs the consumers aren't stupid and thanks to your great reviews some automakers rushing with such crappy or/and unserviceable designs will disappear.
Its my first time hearing about active vibration dampers. How do those work, what signal does it use to know the speed it needs to turn at or are they pre set to a certain frequency.
The one time a domestic automaker puts a factory drain plug in the transmission pan, and they put it in a plastic one over top the exhaust pipe. Just blows my mind!
@speedkar99 over all for regular city and highway driving will this be reliable with the hemi v8 etorque? Because I'm actually going tomorrow to the dealer to look at it .. would like to hear your opinion as a mechanic. Thanks
@@speedkar99 no really, I love it. No cap. Some guys try to polish up a turd to make things look better than they really are. I appreciate the honesty.
Love the content man. This exactly what i come to look at info and leisure. If you ever take a look the new Subaru Ascent id love to know your take on it. Looking into 3 row SUVs. But great stuff man!
Thanks for the video. Needing a screwdriver just to change the air-filter, bunch of things hanging loose, would be "rust bucket" in snowy places from salt, don't see very thoughtful design overall.
I love your channel! I have a question fer ya...I'd like to buy a Subaru Impreza, maybe the Impreza WRX 2002-2004 (the one with the eyes pointed inwards...I love that look) What's your take, yea or nea?
@@speedkar99 Most have been thrashed, and or modified and blown up. It also doesn't help that the engine is a little bit more needy then say a Civic SI.
@@speedkar99 I know how to pick'm. I'm the kind of guy that would own an Alfa. Ya, it may be junk, but they drive so beautifully and are so damn gorgeous. I think I need professional help. Thanks for the response!
@@speedkar99 it would be great to see the current model or even the 2019 model compared to the new. I’m assuming the new will be a cross between the Durango and the new grand Cherokees
They should have put a hemi bigger than the 5.7. But they were thinking about fuel economy with the MDS system and know the straight six is coming. Mercedes has a straight six in their top end SUV that is doing the same things they are trying with the Wagoneer.
I purchased the Series 2 Wagoneer. I am satisfied with my Truck. It's peppy, stylish and has plenty of room for the family. Also it was more cost-effective over the competition. PS Don't let It's size fool you. The 5.7 has great power and passing ability. Ask the driver who was trying to muscle in on the right. He looked real silly and had to get in line like he should have....
The 5.7 wasn't slow. It was adequate for the size of the vehicle. I wouldn't call it cost effective for a family... Unless you need that towing capability. Same goes for suburban, Tahoe or expedition.
@@speedkar99 Well I must ask. Do you own a Wagoneer? Also I gave praise to Mopar for the 5.7's power. Furthermore you're comparing the Wagoneer to the Tahoe and Expedition. They are in a different class. You might want to compare it to the Navigator or the Escalade. If you can buy either of these SUV's with 1. Leather 2. Sunroof 3. Alpine system 4. Running boards 5. Tow package ETC. For under $75,000. You may want to make that purchase. I'd love to see that. Thanks for sharing...
Reminds me of a Navigator, pretty on the inside and out. But just the basics when it comes to engine and body mechanics design. Nothing like the German and Japanese luxury cars. Cadillac does the same kinda builds, no aerodynamics underneath, exposed electronics underneath, no heat shielding for the exhaust, the list goes on. Basically, most American luxury cars are just dolled up lesser class of vehicles from their sister companies. And not truly engineered from the ground up like other foreign car companies do, to separate their class of vehicles. IMO
The Alfa based Grand Cherokee is definitely a more interesting, well-engineered design, compared to this- with a lot more aluminum in the construction to boot.
@@speedkar99 You sure that's not just a front axle disconnect? Many 4x4s have a sliding collar that disconnects one of the front drive shafts so that the front ring gear and drive shaft do not spin when in 2wd (like manual locking hubs) to save fuel. Generally, an actual diff locker mechanism is located much closer to the ring gear
@@speedkar99nope, transmission is from zf. Solid transmission. Underbody was already in the works on 06-07 prior to fiat. So cerberus/benz play. Little part here but mpstly chrysler original. That hemi is a knock off of the 5.9 and 5.2 magnum engines. The magnum engines whil they had minor intake leaks they were great.
excellent review Kar!! My money (someone else's money) would be on a Seqouia. that carry over exhaust pipe was definitely a flaw that was on purpose. probably don't want any dyer doing any tranny services on that ZF tranny "filter in pan" design😮💨. also, it maliciously extends the labor hours for the dealer to do the tranny service. hey that the car business. again, very decent review👌
2-Pot front brakes on a 6000lb heep sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen, especially when you consider most passenger cars half its weight have 4-pots on the front.
These days this kind of 4x4 are just fashion statements. The owners who do try to do serious off road will be calling to rescued or pulled out by real 4x4s, which are very few today. On that Wagoneer the exhaust pipe so close to the plastic trans-pan without even a heatshield will be sure to cause failures.
That transmission fluid pan is a good way to make a person buy another vehicles when the transmission itself goes kaputt. Let's face it: an average person will not bother to change the transmission fluid with that setup 😒
Trust me lol. I went though 2 Mugen lips in 1 year. I never knew they still make active lips, Did you know they had these in 80s 90s Skyline R31 GTS. They should have kept this idea going for us Canadian drivers lol
Just found your channel, and I must say, THIS is my kind of vehicle review. Mechanic of 37 years and just love what you're doing, subscribed and thumbs up!!! Hope your channel grows!
I'm glad you like my work. Please share among your network
Being a mechanic myself i thoroughly enjoyed a real world review and thanks for showing people the crap we deal with under the hood
You are welcome!
Absolutely love these reviews that focus on all the important bits and not the typical "number of cupholders" that the vehicle has. I must say that the quality and assembly of this thing is way too janky and complicated. In no way does it inspire much confidence in terms of reliability and long term longevity. As always, excellent work!
Agreed. I'll leave the cupholder and android reviews to the others
Especially when they cost $80k.
Wow, I’m totally unimpressed! I thought these were really nice when they came out…But after seeing what’s underneath, I can confidently say that they made Jeeps better 20 years ago. The drain plug locations alone show the complete lack of engineering and planning.
I really enjoy the toothbrush commentary, very funny!
I agree... underneath is a mess for maintenance
Don't you get it.... at $100k these buyers don't know what you're talking about!
don't worry about the frame rusting out at the back because this thing won't last long enough for this to happen it will probably start to fall apart after 4 years.
Haha
...start and finish in about 24 years. But most of these buyers bail after the warranty is up, so who cares these days. Just make sure the touch screen works.
True
I enjoy yuor assessment of repairs and maintenance. Looks like this one will be an expensive vehicle, not just to purchase, but to look after as well.
I love your vehicle reviews. Your component teardowns are great too. You have the perfect sense of sarcasim and humor. Please keep up the great work.
this is the best car reviewer in youtube by far
Savagegeese is pretty solid too
Completely agree. Mr Car really is brilliant in getting to the point of a vehicle's strengths and weaknesses.
Well thanks
Agreed. I watch his videos all the time.
@@speedkar99 ha ha youre great body keep going
Great video! Just reminds me why I don't want a new vehicle, (never a Chrysler product either) especially the last thing you mentioned about stuffing twin turbos and more piping in a 4 and 6 cylinders!
Yes
This is the kind of vehicle review I want to see!!!
Sure, I should have more soon.
Awesome review. Too bad this rolling turd had a boat load of issues. Already replaced a failed brake booster and master cylinder, which had less than 1000 miles on the meter. Our shop already replaced the entire harness from front to back on 2 of them that had electrical issues. We found a few wires that had lost continuity where part of the harness splits off, probably stress from stretching then snapping off. These had less than 2k miles on them.
Ouch, sad to hear but thanks for the feedback
The brakes! Yes, the brakes! I work for a rental car company so I get to drive a wide variety of vehicles including the Wagoneer and you nailed the brakes...they're not confidence inspiring at all.
Edit: And that engine does not like cold weather from what I can tell. I got in one today that got a good cd soak in 10°F temps overnight and it was not happy. Took a few minutes to smooth out and quiet down a bit
I found the grand Cherokee the same with the brakes...very difficult to stop the car with reasonable force.
@@speedkar99 wait till you see this thing hauling a boat during the summer
Thanks for the on point review.
Thanks
What a teacher!..u re surely a legend in this game,..God will solemnly take u beyond this limit
Glad you like it!!
Lol at the plastic transmission pan right next to the exhaust pipe.
I know. What the heck
Brilliant man absolutely love these reviews... If possible, please try to review any car thats sold in India
I don't know
@@speedkar99
I'm a member in this small online forum called TeamBHP, we'd really appreciate these non-cupholder reviews. Promise to send as many of our brothers T-shirts as may be required 😜
@@jahmanborneo1343 I know, just frustrated at all those cupholder reviews by sellout auto-journos... Being a developing country, we need people who can uncover the important parts of the car and put things into perspective based on the Indian car scene and how car makers cut costs due to a complete lack of awareness among gullible people and poor govt regulations.
I have no issue with the rusty iron block. It's probably the most reliable part of the vehicle.
It would be nice if they painted it though!
Another fantastic review! Tell it like it is!
Glad you like it
You gotta do a through review of the 23 Bronco. Thinking of getting one but only after I hear your take on engineering & possible reliability issues.
I'm already hearing the recall bells ringing. Forum discussions aren't looking promising ...
@@speedkar99 Thnx dude, haven't looked into it yet. Shame really, such a good looking vehicle don't you think ?
Probably because the 5.7 HEMI is on its way out, but there's a refreshing feel of old school to the entire engine compartment.
Yep. Up top it's not bad. Underneath is where theyve made some interesting changes.
Thank you for all that you do. I learn a lot from your videos while giggling at your jokes!
Glad you are entertained 😜
Man your videos are really amazing and I have so much respect for you. Would you please make a similar video for the Jeep JLU Rubicon???
Thanks. I already made a Jeep JL video
Excellent review. Don't stop.
Amazing review. I also enjoyed the hilarious comments.
Glad you are entertained and learning something 😉
"Stupid design" you say. It is indeed true! By working as a consultant for big companies in automotive, medtech etc industries I can only observe & confirm an increase of stupid designs, unfortunately. One of the reason is outsourcing. And I dont mean outsourcing of the machinery production or software, I mean outsourcing of the design engineering. Many engineers (mechanical, thermal, structural etc) in those, typically 3rd world/developing countries are underpaid, overloaded, not experienced and not motivated. Most of them are unlikely to even own such vehicle. Thus, the design suffers. But, contrary to these designs the consumers aren't stupid and thanks to your great reviews some automakers rushing with such crappy or/and unserviceable designs will disappear.
You are right. When you outsource you lose touch with the vehicle design and purpose as they are designing and testing within their bubble.
We used to get only a couple funny quips per video. Funny stuff! I especially liked the home for bees.
Hey I'm just making an observation 😂
Disposable fasteners are simply intended to increase servicing costs along with negligible reductions in manufacturing costs.
Yes. And supposedly to decrease liability...
So many disposable and non-rebuildable assemblies, very green of them.
I don't get what's the point of economy and light weight and they turn to non-recylable plastics
I dont get economy and hemi engine. Lol
Great review, detailed.
Thanks
Huh, made for soccer moms or dads and plastic transmission pan is the tip off! Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Happy holidays! :-)
Made for the entitled who can afford this thing
Fantastic review, my man.
Great knowledge as always. Happy Christmas to you..
Thanks
Love your videos ! Keep them coming !
Thanks
Awesome content! Would love to see a mechanical review of the new Ford Bronco.
I would love to get my hands on one but it's so rare!
thanks, your review is real review buyers should know.
Agreed. Unfortunately, this isn't what sells vehicles
Its my first time hearing about active vibration dampers. How do those work, what signal does it use to know the speed it needs to turn at or are they pre set to a certain frequency.
It works like noise cancellation.
Vibration from the chassis is collected through sensors and emitted in 180* opposite wave form to counteract it.
I'm not familiar with Chrysler products, does the dissimilar metals in the block and head cause head gasket issues?
Many engines still use iron block and aluminum heads. There is a thin head gasket between them so dissimilar metals isn't an issue.
That toothbrush never gets old.
Teach-brush
@@speedkar99 😂
Thankyou for sharing so much knowledge.
You are welcome
Excellent review 😊
Thanks
The one time a domestic automaker puts a factory drain plug in the transmission pan, and they put it in a plastic one over top the exhaust pipe. Just blows my mind!
The repair manual calls for you to remove the entire pan to drain fluid. The plug is probably there because of parts sharing!
We got the drain plug which is perfectly angled at the sway bar… to make a mess 😂
It's so true!
@@speedkar99lmao been that way since 09 or even 03 with the 5.7 hemi lol. Its annoying af
@8:05 I never did understand why car manufactures place the oil drain plug there. Why not elsewhere that it does not make a mess.
I've heard the RAM 1500 has the same issue
@0:45 - I wish the air filter in my 2012 Honda Accord V6 was that easy to take out.
Really?
As a mechanic, what manufacture or car model would you recommend? Love the videos and roasts!
In his previous videos he had positive things to say about Toyota's
Ones with older technology. Like 4 Runner and Mazda's without turbos and old school automatic transmissions.
@speedkar99 over all for regular city and highway driving will this be reliable with the hemi v8 etorque? Because I'm actually going tomorrow to the dealer to look at it .. would like to hear your opinion as a mechanic.
Thanks
Love all the passive aggressive comments you make during the review. Classic. 😂
Hey I'm trying to put it in a realistic perspective
@@speedkar99 no really, I love it. No cap. Some guys try to polish up a turd to make things look better than they really are. I appreciate the honesty.
Love these type of videos
Thanks
Could I spray rust proof paint on the cavity? And as a matter of fact can I spray rust proof paint in other areas under the vehicle?
Great review 😃👍 thanks
Welcome
Do a Hurricane engine review
Send me one haha
Spot on review.
Thanks
Great info 👍
Thanks
Our wagoneer is shaking at idle. What's your first guess or check for misfiring or hose leak?
Motor mounts
I'd like to see you tear down some Nissan motors like what's in the altima V6 or sentra. Or if you could get a Z 3.7 or a Infiniti red sport motor.
He has a good video tearing down a vq35
I already have a VQ37 teardown and a QR25 teardown posted earlier this year.
Awesome review
Love the content man. This exactly what i come to look at info and leisure. If you ever take a look the new Subaru Ascent id love to know your take on it. Looking into 3 row SUVs. But great stuff man!
There seems to be a common problem with thermostat stuck closed leading to blown head gasket.
I'm talking about the new straight 6 hurricane engine
so this is basically a Ram 1500 but an suv from Jeep with independant rear suspension
Exactly.
And soon enough we might get independent rear suspension for the RAM...
Where is the oil filter located ??
Sorry I missed that
@@speedkar99 but would you know where it's located anyhow I have to do an oil change
now this is a gottdamn car overview
Thanks
Thanks for the video. Needing a screwdriver just to change the air-filter, bunch of things hanging loose, would be "rust bucket" in snowy places from salt, don't see very thoughtful design overall.
Yeah I prefer toolless air filter changes
I love your channel!
I have a question fer ya...I'd like to buy a Subaru Impreza, maybe the Impreza WRX 2002-2004 (the one with the eyes pointed inwards...I love that look)
What's your take, yea or nea?
He's taken an EJ205 Apart. that was nasty.
If you enjoy blown head gaskets, by all means get one. Lol
Those don't have the best engine reputation
@@speedkar99 Most have been thrashed, and or modified and blown up. It also doesn't help that the engine is a little bit more needy then say a Civic SI.
@@speedkar99 I know how to pick'm. I'm the kind of guy that would own an Alfa. Ya, it may be junk, but they drive so beautifully and are so damn gorgeous. I think I need professional help. Thanks for the response!
Now we all know Derek Jeter's definition of American dream 🤣😂🤣🔨🤣😂🤣
Another excellent review! Please do the Acura MDX Type S in the future
I'd love to get my hands on one. But how?
Could you do the dodge Durango next?
I'm waiting for the newer one to come out
@@speedkar99 it would be great to see the current model or even the 2019 model compared to the new. I’m assuming the new will be a cross between the Durango and the new grand Cherokees
Don't these use ZF boxes? If so, that's the standard brand gearbox for manufacturers nowadays
5:43 How do you film this underneath?
Drive the car on ramps and lay down on my back.
I don't have a hoist and ramps feel safer than jackstands under a 6000lbs SUV
@@speedkar99 Maybe use like half a dozen of those inflatable off-road jacks 😂
Hey great review!! How does Jeep make this thing so cheaply but still charge premium prices? I feel bad for the people buying these things
As I said at the end of the video, it's all platform sharing and cashing in
They should have put a hemi bigger than the 5.7. But they were thinking about fuel economy with the MDS system and know the straight six is coming. Mercedes has a straight six in their top end SUV that is doing the same things they are trying with the Wagoneer.
I don't get why Jeep is trying to go upscale and compete with Mercedes. It isn't gonna happen...
@@speedkar99 Maybe that straight six will be good as it sounds. That MB six is pretty good.
Body on frame seems odd these days.
Definitely change my perspective of owning one😢😅
Yeah they've made alot of compromise underneath
I purchased the Series 2 Wagoneer. I am satisfied with my Truck. It's peppy, stylish and has plenty of room for the family. Also it was more cost-effective over the competition. PS Don't let It's size fool you. The 5.7 has great power and passing ability. Ask the driver who was trying to muscle in on the right. He looked real silly and had to get in line like he should have....
The 5.7 wasn't slow. It was adequate for the size of the vehicle. I wouldn't call it cost effective for a family... Unless you need that towing capability. Same goes for suburban, Tahoe or expedition.
@@speedkar99 Well I must ask. Do you own a Wagoneer? Also I gave praise to Mopar for the 5.7's power. Furthermore you're comparing the Wagoneer to the Tahoe and Expedition. They are in a different class. You might want to compare it to the Navigator or the Escalade. If you can buy either of these SUV's with 1. Leather 2. Sunroof 3. Alpine system 4. Running boards 5. Tow package ETC. For under $75,000. You may want to make that purchase. I'd love to see that. Thanks for sharing...
@@brianel8550 Wagoneer competes with Tahoe/Yukon, Expedition, and Armada, Grand Wagoneer competes with Escalade, Navigator, and QX80
It’s a minivan with a hemi.
Reminds me of a Navigator, pretty on the inside and out. But just the basics when it comes to engine and body mechanics design. Nothing like the German and Japanese luxury cars. Cadillac does the same kinda builds, no aerodynamics underneath, exposed electronics underneath, no heat shielding for the exhaust, the list goes on. Basically, most American luxury cars are just dolled up lesser class of vehicles from their sister companies. And not truly engineered from the ground up like other foreign car companies do, to separate their class of vehicles. IMO
Yeah it's just a gussied up RAM
This bracket is made for every other engine except THIS 5.7L! LOL...
I was surprised to find that
It's good to know the price of the car and the gas mileage.
That's not my type of Review
I can hear this engine ticking even when you are not running the engine
The Alfa based Grand Cherokee is definitely a more interesting, well-engineered design, compared to this- with a lot more aluminum in the construction to boot.
Yeah this takes a more old school approach
Nice review/roast.
Thanks 👍
Think of the bees!🐝
Well it's true. Especially when you're trying to pull a part at the junkyard and the bees find you
IT HAS A FRONT LOCKER?
It sure does
@@speedkar99 You sure that's not just a front axle disconnect? Many 4x4s have a sliding collar that disconnects one of the front drive shafts so that the front ring gear and drive shaft do not spin when in 2wd (like manual locking hubs) to save fuel. Generally, an actual diff locker mechanism is located much closer to the ring gear
@@jeremygosling363 Yeah, even the most capable Jeep that isn't a Wrangler, the Grand Cherokee Trailhawk, doesn't have a front locker.
GOT TO LOVE MODERN VEHICLES...BUILT TO BREAKDOWN AND BREAK YOUR POCKET BOOK TO FIX.
Do a Mitsubishi Outlander.
Boring
感恩，謝謝分享！
Suburban prowler..aftermarket parts coming soon...lol
Well there should be alot of parts...just like the RAM it's based on
how much of this design do you think is from Fiat?
The transmission and underbody maybe
@@speedkar99nope, transmission is from zf. Solid transmission. Underbody was already in the works on 06-07 prior to fiat. So cerberus/benz play. Little part here but mpstly chrysler original. That hemi is a knock off of the 5.9 and 5.2 magnum engines. The magnum engines whil they had minor intake leaks they were great.
Love the snarkiness.
😉
Zf 8 speed is the best out there
excellent review Kar!! My money (someone else's money) would be on a Seqouia. that carry over exhaust pipe was definitely a flaw that was on purpose. probably don't want any dyer doing any tranny services on that ZF tranny "filter in pan" design😮💨. also, it maliciously extends the labor hours for the dealer to do the tranny service. hey that the car business. again, very decent review👌
Agreed. That transmission pan was an afterthought
Nice👍
Thanks
No protection underneath at all seems crazy to me!
I was surprised. I was expecting skid plates
What year is this
2-Pot front brakes on a 6000lb heep sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen, especially when you consider most passenger cars half its weight have 4-pots on the front.
These days this kind of 4x4 are just fashion statements. The owners who do try to do serious off road will be calling to rescued or pulled out by real 4x4s, which are very few today.
On that Wagoneer the exhaust pipe so close to the plastic trans-pan without even a heatshield will be sure to cause failures.
Yeah this isn't really meant to be off-road with this setup. Too heavy
So much info
Thanks
But where is the oil filter??
Notification Squad!🔥🔥🔥
Thanks for subbing
I don't care what it has. Starting at 90k is crazy to me for a jeep.
It's so expensive!!
That transmission fluid pan is a good way to make a person buy another vehicles when the transmission itself goes kaputt. Let's face it: an average person will not bother to change the transmission fluid with that setup 😒
Exactly. What a pain
Yikes ! Jeeps and aluminum knuckles with integrated bushings are not good !
Yeah they're a pain to press
This thing came at the worst time when gas is around US$6 a gallon in California
But now gas is under $3 on many states
True. But people don't care, it'll sell!
Ohh man, I think all cars should have active lip
Another thing that will break off when you go over the curb stop in the parking lot
Trust me lol. I went though 2 Mugen lips in 1 year. I never knew they still make active lips, Did you know they had these in 80s 90s Skyline R31 GTS. They should have kept this idea going for us Canadian drivers lol