We will all be using GRAPHITE iron shafts soon!...
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- Опубликовано: 10 окт 2024
- Master Club fitters are all predicting we'll all be using GRAPHITE iron shafts in the next 10 years!... #golf #customfitting
**ARE GRAPHITE SHAFTS JUST FOR SENIORS & LADIES?**
Every club fitter I talk too are raving about how good graphite iron shafts are performing! We've seen the likes of Bryson DeChambeau and most recently Sergio Garcia, two of the best ball strikers in the world using graphite, so what are we waiting for?
In today's video I am testing some of the worlds best graphite irons shafts including the AUTOFLEX IRON SHAFT, VA SYNYSTR IRON SHAFT and FUJIKURA AXIOM IRON SHAFT at SGGT Tour Performance Fitting Studio CHESTERFIELD with MASTER FITTER Laurence Pawley.
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I can’t begin to tell you how much I’m loving this type of video Gaz and the ones you have been posting lately, they are just damn right outstanding, I still can’t wait to see what irons and shafts you end up with
I’ve sent the pings back for D7 and 2 flat, but in the meantime, just testing a few bits so I’ve got abit more understanding before I get fitted. I could definitely go graphite along as they have stopping power and a right distance dispersion.
@@garymartingolf do Ping charge for the change mate? Interesting to see how you play with them when you get them back from Ping. Keep up the good work mate
I don't know if Ping charges for the adjustments, but they will charge for the shipping, as they do for warranty claims.
@@isthereanavailable where are you based ?
@@tommiethatcher7265 ping don’t swing weight clubs after sale, unless they built wrong, but I’ve managed to get a favour. Lies is a free change. I’ll just pay carriage as it’s not a warranty claim.
I switched irons from Reg Steel to Senior Graphite, so easy to swing and more feedback.
I will however continue with Yorkshire Tea for the foreseeable ☕️
Im a 1.6 handicap and switched to playing Ping i230 irons uw to 5 iron with LA Golf L series 120g, I will never go back to steel shafts fact. The feel and consistency surpasses anything I’ve played before.
Yes I tried several steel and graphite options when I was fitted for my Mizunos, chose graphite for no additional cost and have also got graphite in my wedges, great feel and working well.
interesting. Thanks for the feedback
Another brilliant video in this series, Gaz. I’ve just been fitted for new irons and went from an Elevate 95 (Reg steel) into a KBS 75 (Reg graphite). Interestingly, during the process, I also went from the PGI version to the TGI (tour) shaft on the fitters advice and immediately he could see that my ball height, spin and distance all went up and dispersion came down, I can also feel the head more now. The other benefit is that as I’ve moved to all Cobra, I have the same shaft in my hybrids (no long irons for me), so moving through the bag things feel pretty similar. Your swing weight sessions struck a chord with me too, and I’m going to look more into that now as it makes total sense. Please keep making this content, it’s so much more interesting and insightful than the repetitive and largely irrelevant club reviews churned out by others.
Sounds like a good move! I can only imagine how nice the new graphite shafts feel 👌🏼 That feeling of the weight of the head is great isn’t it. I find myself waggling the club now 😂
I’m loving making the videos, and my goal is to share all my experiences within golf! I’ve fell back in love with the game, so it’s absolutely great to be able to share everything I’m up to 👌🏼
I have the Elevate 115 Shafts in my Callaway Apex Pro 21 irons and love that shaft. Great feedback on the graphite option
When my dad passed away i wanted to use his irons to remember him . They were50g senior shafts!! They have never left the bag, they are long high with a baby draw.
That’s such a nice story 👌🏼 You’ll never find a better iron than them 🔥
Love the videos Gary, a humble friendly RUclips golf channel is a refreshing change!
Thank you Guy. We’ll always keep it real 👌🏼
Ive been playing graphite irons for sbout 18 months now. Best decision I ever made. 92mph 7i club head speed in an ORKA RS10MB in the Aerotech i95 Black at D2.
I wouldn't have been sure before but after watching this I'd happily game graphite irons.
Cheers Gary!
Same. I’ve got to consider them in my next set 👌🏼
We are same swing speed for irons and I’m using the axiom 105 but in stiff since it gives me a bit more height and spin. Best feeling shafts I’ve ever used
I think if I was self fitting, that’s where I put myself. I think a 105 stiff could tick all the boxes. What heads have you got?
@@garymartingolf I’m using mizuno Jpx 923 forged heads bent 2 degrees weak
Got fit recently at the Edinburgh site - great experience !!ended up in project ls shafts didn’t realise they were graphite
Your content has gone up a few levels Gaz, loving the topics that you’re covering lately, loved your stuff anyway, but lately it’s been superb, keep it up fella
Thanks Peter. We’re abit challenged with the weather atm, but I think some of my best videos are to come, but I guess it all depends what people are interested in. Hopefully you enjoy the early February’s ones which will be a big shift from fitting and clubs 😬
I know what you mean about the weather, I’m just over the pennines from you in west Lancs, I’m looking forward to all your new stuff mate, you’re doing a great job
Gaz, I know we've chatted multiple times about it on IG, but again, I went from 120g X to 85g Stiff and have had GREAT success. I'm really enjoying following the bag journey!
very helpful. thank you for an honest and modest video.
Solid video. The comment about players fitting at 100% and playing at 75% was eye-opening. Going to keep that in mind the next time I get fit.
This has indeed turned out into an intensive trip on fitting which isn't over by far! Was a little confused at first over your lie angle statement but figured out that continuity did not match with a previous video. There is so much extra that can be done with graphite over steel in terms of feel, flex and weight of which you need to experience first hand. Can't wait to see how your re-manufactured i230's will perform. That is a BIG change.
I never thought when I bumped the lie testing video forwards. This was recorded before the lie video. The pings should be back soon in d7 sw, 2* flat. I could well be that the shafts might feel nicer in that heavier SW. I would love graphite in the future though, the feel is so nice 👌🏼
I’m loving these fitting vids Gaz. Sooo interesting and informative. Can’t wait to see Sam. I’ve just bought a PXG gen 6 XF driver for £170. I’d love him to tweak it for me. We must get together soon!
He’ll be able to fine tune your gear. I know, I know. Could do with a nice day over this next couple of weeks ideally
@@garymartingolf absolutely. The weather has been so shit!! I think I might by a set of PXG irons fitted by Sam. He stocks PXG, doesn’t he?
Another brilliant fitting video. Keep them coming please ❤
Picked up on the easy transition and smoothness of the swing, as you progressed. I'm on my second set of graphite irons. I made the change after elbow issues and I'm happy that i made the right choice.
Thanks, Gaz! Very helpful!
Great video. The big problem I find though, is that none of the manufacturers offer a good quality 110g+ graphite shaft without a significant upcharge. They're happy to give you a crappy 70g option but you'll have to spend £250 per iron if you want MMT, recoil etc
I had mitsubishi Mt stiff graphite shafts in my irons gaz and tried steel shafts i personally can't tell any difference 😊well done gaz
What shafts did you settle on?
Still got the mitsubishi 75 stiff mt graphite in gaz I got abit of tennis elbow which is great cuz you don't get that vibration as with steel shafts 🏌😏👍
I use the 80GM MMT's stiff and compared to my previous Dynamic gold S300's they are much smoother, and easier on the body.
I live less than a mile from this place and didn't realise its there. I feel a booking coming on.
Atleast you know for the future 😃
I've been using the same set of 1988 Titleist DTR irons for over 20 years.
True Temper steel shafts are still going strong two decades later.
You can have my steel shafts when you invent a graphite that doesn't splinter...
That’s a great point to consider! Wear and durability 👀
@@garymartingolf it's more about the abuse that irons go thru vs the woods. Drivers can "safely" use a graphite shaft because the tee box is the safest place to swing on the course.
One full-speed fatty shot and you'll blow that graphite shaft just by chunking a 9i on an approach shot.
Imagine clipping a tree root you can't see under the turf at full speed with a graphite shaft...
You'd really feel safe full-swinging that graphite shaft onto hard-top dirt after missing a fairway from the tee? What about heavily compacted fairway bunkers? You really hitting the sand full-speed from 155 out with a graphite 7i...?
Pros might get away with it because they can get new clubs after every round... us bogey golfers don't have that luxury.
@@vintageswiss9096 this a tremendous point I’d not even considered! Theres only one thing to do… A TEST! 😄 Get ready 😅
Graphite vs steel durability! Paths, trees, tree roots etc 😄
"One full-speed fatty shot and you'll blow that graphite shaft just by chunking a 9i on an approach shot." when did you last try a graphite shaft, 20 years ago? This is the sort of outdated trope that needs to die off. I have smashed my 80gr KBS max shafts into a matt at the range or hard lynx summer fairway for the last 5 year and they are the same as the day i got them. @@vintageswiss9096
I tried my friends Cleveland’s with graphite shafts about 10 years ago and I remember them being very pleasant to hit. Fast forward to now and I bit off more than I could chew with a set of Hogan Apex Edge Pro clubs that I got cheap on a whim, so I found a set of graphite shafted irons also at a reasonable price to try out and I’m very much looking forward to hitting them.
Great video Gaz, can’t beat some tinkering when you can mate 👊
i'm replacing my steel iron shafts one at a time to Fujikura AXIOM. They're on the pricey side but worth it!
How much are they fitted?
Just read a comment about switching to regular steel to senior graphite... im doing the same... got 6 Mamiya Proforce graphite iron shafts on the way from the states.. Going in my Takomos
I love how you are using these fitting videos to satisfy your own inner club junkie! 😂
Haha 😄 I do love golf clubs, but I am genuinely wanting to setup my bag ready for the summer, so I’m killing two birds with one stone doing all the experimenting 😃👌🏼
@@garymartingolf😂😂😂 yes. I am same way😂
Was really hoping that autoflex worked 😂😂🤑
I were 🤣🦩🩷
Great video really enjoying the journey your doing keen them coming
Thanks 👌🏼
I have been playing graphite shafts for the last 2 years, regular flex and 95g weight and I have absolutely no complaints. I used to get sore hands and wrists when playing a lot with steel but have had no issues with the graphite shafts even playing 4 days in a row. They are also straight and true.
I honestly were I’m at right now with my game saw no difference trying steel vs graphite. I saved the money and went with Stiff 110g steel. It fits me perfect and I couldn’t be happier. If there was a difference at my fitting I would have considered. Clubs and shafts are different for everyone.
If theres no benefit, may aswell go with the cheapest option, 100%! I’d have to see gains and improvement in feel for the hefty upgrade.
Gaz, I have been playing the Mitsubishi MMT 80 stiff shaft, which is a hybrid graphite steel shaft, and they are great, it is a graphite shaft, with steel windings inside, but they are so smooth when you swing and strike the ball. When you go back to steel, which I tried, you go, no thank you.
I’ll have to try them as it’s the smoothness I like the feeling off, I’m enjoying feeling the swing of the club, rather than thrashing it.
@@garymartingolf The weight is lighter, but with the windings inside they have a unique feel. There are numerous Fibre/steel shafts available now, and well worth checking out. You like a kid in a sweetshop. The last shafts you tried, suited your game, how about prices Gary, as thats a big factor when looking to change.
I use Steelfibers in my irons as used by Matt Kuchar & Brandt Snedeker.
The long & mid irons are graphite and my short irons are steel. Also, my 54° is steel and my lob wedge is graphite. It's a good combination
I suppose when you think about it, we try to hit our hybrids like irons and they mostly come with a graphite shaft, so it makes sense for us to try graphite in the rest of our irons. Suppose now is the time to look to buy shares in an iron headcover company!
Gaz, have you actually counted how many times you’ve said “yeah” in this video?!?! 😂
i wonder if this ball roll back will force some of the shorter hitters on tour to possibly switch to graphite in their irons. that's obviously still a long time from now but it will be interesting to see. but, i have a feeling golf club manufacturers will find some way around all of this with traditional steel shafted clubs
Excellent video, really enjoyable
Would be interested in you going back and testing at your new -3 flat lie. I’ve been playing graphite for several years. Callaway X12 pro RCH 96 Firm (bought off of eBay 2005ish). Waiting delivery of my first ever new set deciding on Takomo 301CB w/ obsidian 90 S flex (Takomo’s own graphite brand shafts). Christmas gift to myself, I’ve been good this year 😉 lol
It’s a great point. I filmed this prior to the lie video with Sam which was a shame. Very nice! I’ve tried James, I was really impressed as they’re a brand I’d never tried. I’m going to have a look on their website at the shaft options, see what you ordered 👌🏼
Looking forward to 2024 content. Keep up the great work. Watching from west Texas. Happy New Year!
Actually booked a fitting in the new years to try out some graphite shafts in my t100's. Want to try something diffferent to my current x100's something lighter and still as stiff.
I think you’ll be surprised at how good they feel. I were, I wasn’t expecting such strong ball flights 👌🏼
@@garymartingolf I'll keep you posted, already told the fitter I want to try axiom and LA golf graphite shafts
Best decision I ever made going to graphite iron shafts. Couldn’t go back now. Mine are the axiom 105s.
Did you not try the LA Golf?
I didn’t, I’m wasn’t that clued up on graphite iron shafts before I went, I’ve heard they’re a big deal though 😄
Can’t beat fujijura, I wish I’d tried that in stiff. I will have a proper iron for at some point 👌🏼
@@garymartingolf honestly imo I would try the axiom in the 105s and also the LA Golf shafts.
Sorry if this is a stupid question but how would this fitting fit in with the recent swing and lie videos. Will either fitter give a one fitting fits all option ?
This is a great question! It was apparent in the “lie” fitting video, both were floored with the results. It was probably a fluke they even tested the flat lies. Cast hosels couldn’t be bent from -3 to +3. First world problems right? It may result in many more golfers opting for forged heads. Interesting…
Recently got fitted into la golf l series shafts and couldn’t believe the difference in dispersion
A few people have asked if i tried that shaft, I haven’t yet. I know, I can’t believe graphite can be as accurate, it’s just a perception, but once you’ve tried them, you can’t go back to steel 😳😂
It’s definitely one to try in my opinion felt better than the axiom
Great video (again).
I thought your other fitter said you might need a flat lie (was it 3 degrees), rather than upright?
I filmed this before the lie video 😳 I should have put them out in order but I wasn’t thinking 🤔
These are outstanding. I think a series of subscribers getting fitted would be outstanding too. Maybe sort it out for some competition winner or something too?
Thanks David. I certainly want to know how much a tour fitting could help a high handicap golfer, or of course, whether it can!? We have Lee who’s an infrequent high handicap, I’d like to see if a better tuned driver could help his vicious slice!
As a high handicapper please pick me for a fee fitting 😁
I currently play Wilson D7’s forged, G400 3W with reg flex, Taylor made 3H with a stiff flex , and have recently bought 2nd hand G425, 40g senior flex which is performing better than any driver I have ever had.
Had seen SGGT up in Edinburgh and the fact when fitting irons they offer 4,6,8,PW to hit and get a set that really suits you. Plus the winning ticket is hitting out onto a range, so you get to see distance and true ball flight
not sure I heard any of the commentary, too busy looking at how well all the shafts are lined up😮😮😁 I'm not OCD you're OCD😁😁I need that image for wallpaper!
Loving these videos Gaz. My mate and I are thinking of visiting SGGT Edinburgh in the new year. Thanks for the insight 🏌♂
They certainly seem to be well stocked and knowledgeable! It’s not often you can get that level of fitting for free when you’re purchasing.
Yes. He becomes more consistent half way through. I wonder is he warmed up?
Do they do full bag fittings there? Wanted a full new set up this year, need to try graphite myself I hear it helps with bad wrists 👍
So are you going to follow through with this information and get new shafts in you i230s?
If you do will you get them SST pured also?
If you do I think you may hang on to them for many years.
It’s a great question! Once my irons are returned with the correct swing weight and lie, I’ll know more! If they still feel too stiff, I’m going to have to do something!
I’m going to do a puring vs unpured video to see if I can feel any sort of difference.
@garymartingolf I had only three clubs SST pured in my life. It was way back. They were Taylormade r580 driver 8.5, VSteel 3W& 5W. The shafts were an Aldila HM Tour Gold 90 gram shaft.
Could I feel anything immediately during a fitting like in your video? No
But over the use of those clubs they were the straightest clubs I ever hit. Loved them. Graphite technology has come a long way, but I still think the SST pure process is well worth.
Thank you for sharing the videos. Good luck and keep it coming👍🤜🤛
True Temper Dynamic Gold 105's are king.
Going of a fitting at scotdale , PXG Gen 6 , with graphite shafts.
I'm assuming this was before you realised you needed 2° flat in your irons?
Yeah. I play Mitsubishi OTi 110x. Yeah. Awesome shafts.. Yeah.
I would like to try Graphite but the prices to re-shaft are as much as a new set.
I went for a driver fitting and warmed up using a Titleist T150 with an Axiom shaft. Could not believe how good they felt.
You need to try the ust dart v 120 be great for you
Not heard of that one, I’ll have a look.
I swapped to steel fiber last year from wedges to my 5 iron so much better
I've been using graphite shafts for years and I'm not for sure what you're talking about most brands offer several options stock options at no extra cost
If the graphite weighs the same and flexes the same? Why spend more for the same? What's the advantage when steel has that classic look and feel? Goooooooooooooo Steeel.
Its crazy that they still have a hangover of being whippy old mens shafts, its been 20 years!! You mentioned every updated trope going in this video. The dont make F1 and supercars out of carbon fiber becuase ts flexy.
i have very much benefitted from the fitting vids. But i find that when i go for a fitting they are not as thorough or comprehensive on the right fit. it seems more of sell you something and less fitting. So I am hesitant to try further. also wonder if you are getting the VIP service due to your name and others you tubers or they are on youtube so they step up their game?
It’s a great point, and one that I did consider! I 100% had this conversation with sam and Lawrence who I’ve done recent videos with, do you fit like this as standard, because this could be an indirect advert for you, so you must be able to provide the same level of fitting for a customer, and they both completely agreed!
What I would say, is you should be very hesitant and don’t rush to book a fitting until you’ve had a very very good recommendation. It’s took me 20 years to find someone like sam, and Lawrence who are golf perverts, you don’t get fitters like these in all facilities.
I hope you can find someone good 👌🏼
Don't go to chain stores. Find a custom shop. The difference is undeniable. Say no to Golftec etc.
Problem with graphite shafts is bag rub damage you don't get this with steel shafts and you can get ultra light shafts in metal
Graphite shafts are fine as long as they don’t reduce the swing-weight too much.
What are we waiting for? We are waiting for prices to drop. They are still quite expensive compared to steel shafts.
I’ve used graphite shafts in my irons for 20 years and would never use steel again.
You’re ahead of the time 😃
Not being disrespectful, but I would have expected that as part of a PGC Qualification students would undertake an intensive course on club building, fitting, and understanding of what all you have learned recently and what is a fundamental part of golf. After all people pay good money to see a Professional. Now you know all this, maybe your approach to coaching and club selection will turn a new leaf.
No disrespect taken, the PGA only provides a very basic insight into all aspects of golf, it’s then down the the individual to decide where they specialise, and to then continue their learning in that area. I’m trying share with everybody my learning within golf, which will continue forever 😩😂
I have noticed some PGA players using graphite in their irons now
Really, anyone we might have missed? Only noticed Sergio and Bryson
@@garymartingolf I cant remember to be honest ha ha. It might have been Bryson but Im pretty sure it was on the PGA Tour
@@cleveland2022 if they aren’t room much more to buy, defo worth trying 👌🏼
Looking at your swing speed; x-stiff/6.5 is a step too far anyway
100%, it feels terrible! I think I’ve had a bad fit with them, someone using flex and mass to try and help me slow my transition, but at the same time, leaving me with no feel!
And when it warms up in a few months, your swing and ball flight will change and you’ll need something else again lol
Dude with Club Speed in high 80s but #6i Carry at only 160+ and your gamer is PX 6.5 125g??? You must be kidding me!
It wasn’t anything to do with me, talk to ping.
Mr. Robinson is going to be so screwed!
Another really interesting and informative video. You really need to stop doing this kind of thing, you could cost me a small fortune and I haven't yet won the lottery!
Could maybe invite a follower up for a fitting and film ie me 😉😉
What’s your handicap ?
My index is 6.4 ⛳️🏌️♂️
If you’d of been high it could have worked, I’m after a high handicapper who’s looking to see if master custom fitted golf clubs could help them.
Sorry bud
My dad is a 28 handicap and has been looking into graphite irons as struggling with his iron play
Anyone dare to count how many times gaz says yeah 😂
Dont do it lol 😩😂 Once you’ve you start listening for them it’s a joke!
I'm curious if that feral/hosel connection can throw you off a tad, seems a bit huge?
🐊🏌⛳️🦅🇺🇸
I’ve been at it a few years. Love the KBS MAX!
Has Laurence left PXG 🫣😳😰🤣
Yeah