As a teenager I had a .22 bolt action rifle. I kept it in my room but unloaded as I knew the basics of firearm safety. I was out of ammo for a few months and decided to give my weapon a quick wipedown to prevent rust ect. Upon opening the bolt a live round was ejected. I had no idea it was even loaded and again thought to myself that I knew I had cleared it after shooting. Upon talking to some of my friends I found out one of them found a .22 round and decided to put it in the weapon so we would have it for the next time we went shooting. Needless to say I was pretty unhappy about it as I had assumed he knew the basics about weapons. Just a good lesson to me to always treat every weapon as if it was loaded, even if you "know" it isn't.
No weapon is unloaded until it is ME that unloaded it. I don't care if it was the pope or the ghost of General Grant that handed it to me, until I clear it that badboy is loaded as far as I'm concerned.
RSK454 WASD i had a similar thing happen to me. I was younger and preparing to go squirrel hunting with a family friend in early 20’s. I sat the unloaded 20gauge up against the truck in the crease. I came back and commenced to dry firing at a bird that flew by. Turns out he had loaded the gun for me and there was one in the chamber, but somehow the round was a dud. The rest of the box of ammo fired flawlessly. Had i not had it pointed at the sky, that could have been really bad.
Almost the same here. As a teenager one of my buddies loaded a long gun of mine while I was off using the can. We were looking at it for some reason, cant remember why. Habitually when I brought it out I displayed to him that it was unloaded. When I put the gun away later, out of habit again I checked it and a cartridge flew out. All that time we were looking at the gun, it had a round chambered! When he saw how angry I was all he could do was look down and say he didn't know why he did it.
25 years ago, in Romanian regular army I was teached how to dry fire after unloading exactly as Barry showed (for AK47, PSL, Pistol Carpați and Tokarev TTC). Now nice memories. :) RIP, Barry.
I got into gun gripes a little late and while catching up I stumbled upon #85 and was legitimately saddened by the news of Barry passing away. My deepest condolences. The gun community has lost a major voice. He will be missed.
Me too. At least we still have all of the videos for our viewing pleasure. I really feel badly for his family and loved ones; imagine how they must feel. We will all miss Barry's voice on these videos and I am really glad that Eric decided to keep the channel going!
R.I.P. Barry, been watching these vids for 2 years now and finally got my CWP yesterday. Just want say thanks to Barry and IV888 helped to give me the knowledge and confidence to go get it.
Barry's last Gun Gripe... So sad to see this knowing what happened. You can tell he was a very passionate gun enthusiast, and it's a shame that he won't get to share any of his infinite gun knowledge with us anymore. RIP
I love going back and watching these old videos just to see Barry a wise and great man and a true ambassador to the 2A community. Rest in peace good sir.
Thanks for the tip for de-cocking bolt actions, hadn't thought of it before, a good rule of thumb. Whenever you pick up a firearm, point it in a safe direction, and make certain it is clear, even if you watched them clear it, you still do it, it creates good habits, and will reduce chances of accidents by 100%
Theodore Dowman yeah I understand but if you’re storing them for a while or near you in a house with other people(especially kids) you want it unloaded most of the time because most little kids aren’t very informed on guns
Dry firing is an essential part of defensive pistol and trigger essentials practice. Most modern handguns can handle it just fine. I keep spare parts just in case as parts wear out on any machine used enough. Old and collectable guns are a different story.
This should be in saved in everyone's education playlist. I've learned so much in this video from basic info, multiple examples displayed, how to's, and even etiquette. Recent first time buyer and now i feel a lot more prepared. Thank you all!
ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS ask first. I never dry fire a firearm without first doing a safety check, and then asking. It's not just good manners or etiquette, it's just the right thing to do. If I don't own the firearm, I don't dry fire it unless I get the owner's permission. And I never dry fire a rim fire firearm. Excellent video!
Every rifle range in the Marines: During morning safety briefs the tower ensures all shooters get on line and function check their weapon (which in the process allows the hammer to fall)
i recently went to a shop and the dealer just alide dropped my 1911 and dry fired it as if he owned it, i was f-cking pissed. glad u mentioned NOT doing this shit to other peoples guns
One of THE best videos ever made . Period You guys there is so much gold in this. I still come back and look , and he's been gone over a year now at least? Thank you Eric for carrying on these nuggets.
I shoot competitively both rifle and pistol. Dry firing is an ESSENTIAL part of accuracy. As mentioned, dry firing almost any rimfire is not recommended. If you look at say a S&W revolver with the pin on the nose of the hammer, you'll see that it's designed to pivot slightly. This feature directly addressed and mostly solved the reason dry firing pistols wasn't a good idea decades ago. Back then, the pin was fixed. Therefore it was much more common to break them. Now? Dry fire away. Same goes for AR's, 1911's etc...You're pretty safe dry firing any current or former government issued firearm made in the last 40 years or so as well. It REALLY cracks me up when I hear people saying that simply releasing the slide on a 1911 does any harm. You could do that for hours on end...no harm.
As a retired Forensic Metallurgist I have investigated at least two gun explosions caused by a fatigued/broken firing pin due to "dry firing". For "crystallising" read Fatigue. R I P Barry
For testing trigger pulls on 22RF rifles (yes, I'm a 'smith), I always put a fired case into the chamber and let the striker fall on that. Do this no more that three times before replacing the case or at least turning the case to a new spot on the rim... Works fine..
(to all others) make sure you keep this "practice brass" separate and in a special place. I would go as far as marking it with a colored marker as well.
Just a thing regarding your comment about leaving springs under tension: As long as the spring are made of metal, there is no problem whatsoever in leaving them under tension for extended periods of time. This goes both for springs in guns and magazines. Metal wear and fatigue arises from *cycles* of stress, not static stress itself.
Can y'all make a video that's just the sound of racking the slides and bolts of all the guns in the shop? I'd like to play it on a loop while I sleep. Such a comforting sound. Love the vids. Thanks for all the time y'all invest in them.
Spot on brother. Here's one for ya. About 15 years ago I bought my first shotgun. Mossberg 500. Great gun. I was young and dumb and didn't know better, I dry fired it so much that it deformed the firing pin to the point where it got stuck in the bolt. Lesson learned. Great video guys, even though it's kinda old but still love the videos, keep it up y'all!
Definitely don't dry fire a CZ-52. It'll break the firing pin after the first or second time. I learned that the hard way... aftermarket ones are very durable, though.
I came here again to see Barry. Years ago I used to watch the two together all the time. Still hard to believe Barry is not on this earth anymore. Almost like losing an uncle. Still watch Eric and Chad sometimes.
When you dry fire a gun, the pin stops on a shoulder or other feature in the bolt or slide, rather than being stopped by the primer. It's only a problem if the design of the gun is such that either the pin or the feature that is stopping the pin is damaged. "damage" means permanent deformation, also referred to as "plastic deformation". The video is right in that rimfires should not be dry-fired; the pin can burr or chip the edges of the barrel, and if the burr is bad enough the gun may have feed and/or extraction problems. Or, the pin can glance off the edge of the chamber and become bent or otherwise damaged. One of the consequences is that the pin might not retract all the way... very bad... think about it.... Bottom line, don't dry fire your rim-fire weapons. Modern center fires are most likely ok to dry fire, but always follow the manufacturer's advice. Ruger, for instance, says their guns can be dry-fired. KelTec says none of theirs should be dry fired - there is a part in the some or all KelTec bolt designs that apparently can be damaged. Not my idea of a great design, but it is what it is. In any case, the manufacturer knows more about the engineering of their specific weapons than any of us do. Steel gun parts don't really fail from "crystallization". That's a myth. If you have a steel part that cracks it most likely wasn't heat treated properly, or there is some mechanical condition that's creating unusually high loading on the part. Parts all have dimensional tolerances, and not all parts are 100% inspected. Sosometimes the result is something unexpected that can cause mechanical problems. My background, in case anyone is wondering, is in mechanical engineering and stress analysis.
Yes. I am a long-time Glock user and dry fire them. It's no problem. In fact, on all Glocks, you have to dry fire the gun before you can remove the slide. Dry firing is useful for getting the feel of the trigger. But shoot a lot of real rounds. There is no substitute for shooting live ammo, and of course it *is* much different than dry firing.
bahhumbucker Ok. Thanks for the advice. Another question though: for personal/home defense, what would be the best round to have for a Glock? I live in California, so I can't have more than 10 rounds in a mag, mind you. But what is preferable: 9mm, 40. S&W or 45. ACP? heard 40. S&W is a good compromise between the first and last of the three.
The 10 round mag law sucks. Statistics show that police, who train a lot, actually miss in real gunfights 75% of the shots they take. If you do as well, that means you'll get 2-3 hits out of your ten round mag. That's just not enough, and if there are multiple invaders, you are screwed. Get a 9mm. Really... there is absolutely no doubt in my mind about this, and I have them all. A lot of people will argue. Forget all of it. Get the 9mm. The .45 ACP is expensive to shoot. The 40S&W is touted as a compromise, but that's just nonsense. The .40 S&W (Glock 22 and 23) is a high pressure round that snaps very hard in your hand. It actually recoils more than a .45. I have a G23... I can shoot it well... but I shoot the 9mm G19 and G17 better and easier. The FBI is changing to 9mm from the .40S&W, that they were instrumental in popularizing. Search on FBI 9mm and see if you can find the summary. It's good reading. You'll choose the 9mm. Forget what the guy the gun store says. The FBI study points out that the stopping power is a myth, and presents other sound reasons as well. The best reason is, you will shoot the 9mm best of the three and get more rounds on target quicker - and that's your goal, not mythical stopping power. Please do try to find that summary of the FBI's report. Personally, I strongly believe that the best info comes from the military organizations and law enforcement groups like the FBI and the Secret Service. They actually bring on consultants and such to do real research and testing. To them, it's science, not opinion. That's why their conclusions are worth paying attention to. They internet and the guy that works at the gun store... well...... And, almost forgot... the 9mm is the least expensive ammo of the three. As a new gun owner, you want to shoot *a lot*. Stick with decent US made ammo. I get it online, and wait for the sales.and stock up once or twice a year. No steel case, cheap reloads or Russian garbage. Finally, learn to clean and oil your Glock correctly. Most everyone over-oils them. Glocks take almost no oil, and it has to be applied at only the correct spots. Good luck! 9mm!
Watching this video now for the first time ... RIP Barry he seems such a great person you can tell a lot by how a person speaks very soft spoken he will be missed very much in the gun community..
OUTSTANDING Video! I have learned more from this channel than any other, and particularly this video. Thanks for such a comprehensive and knowledgeable video.
My father was a country man. He had two rules: never dry fire your shotgun and never shoot an animal unless you intend to eat it. I shoot percussion, black power muzzle loaders. Dry firing will destroy the nipple of the gun. Also, never store your musket with the lock on full or half cock, it will damage the spring. I have a friend who had an orignal Enfeld p58 , with Tower marking. He alowed one of his friends to look at it. The friend put the gun back with the hammer cocked. The lock spring popped and he cannot scorce a spring in Ireland. I would also like to say RIP Barry, he had amazing knowledge and I really liked this Southern gentleman.
Damn man Barry was and (in spirit) still is a cool as hell guy. I'd give anything too just sit on a porch with him, have a beer and a cigar an just listen too his stories and wisdom. R.I.P. Barry. You are thoroughly missed in the gun community and everyone you have touched. See ya on the other side. Gonna hit the range today thinkin of ya. It's so weird how someone whom I've never met (unfortunately) can mean so much too me.
For snap caps I've been buying Tipton over other brands because it actually has brass at the end & a spring inside to cushion it. I have seen other snap caps that just have a missing primer and that seems to only be for practice at the range to see if one flinches, definitely doesn't cushion a damn thing.
RIP Barry, you guys and chad too are such a great resource. With dry firing you can make your own choices but i think with others be straight up, "can i handle you firearm" "sure, but don't dry fire it or I'll kick your ass"
Personally I've never had an issue and I've dry fired the hell out of my pistols for practice. But someone else's gun, I always ask. It's just proper to ask. Same as I ask if I want to pet your dog or anything when it's not yours. It ain't hard to ask
It's crazy to watch this video knowing this was Barry's last video. he really brought a lot to the gun community and truly taught me a lot when I first bought my first gun, and continues to teach me after he passed away.
Thanks a lot for this video guys. My Dad raised me to never dry fire, but my shooting buddies convinced me that it was safe to do with my high volume guns. My favorite story about a non-shooter's pour etiquette is; one night during a my house poker game. I was showing by buddy my new Savage .17 HMR with BSA sweet 17 scope. His girlfriend runs into the room and says, "I love guns can I see that". Sure I guess. She grabbed a hold of it and immediately gives the elevation dial a full twist. That gun was a tack driver at 100 before she got a hold of it. That couple hasn't been invited back to my house or the range since.
There is a gun store near my home that has signs up not only asking you not to dry fire any of the guns but also stating that you will be charged $15-$200 if you do so. That's one way to prevent dry firing.
in the army, we used AK-47s every time we used them, we dry fired them quite a lot; as far as I recall, none of the AKs in my platoon broke or had firing pin issues the guys on patrol dry fired their AKs a couple a times a day, each day
In the Finnish army dry firing was standard practice in unloading the weapon. When one returned from guard duty one was ordered to remove the magazine, cock the weapon and dry fire in the air. There was a case where someone forget to order the removal of the magazine and they did it under the porch. The guard got six days arrest for that. However, we did not just repeatedly dry fire in training as that would have taught improper use of the weapon.
I was taught in the military that dry firing an M-16 was perfectly safe and did no harm whatsoever to the firearm. In fact it was an essential part of our clearing of the rifle we did whenever we turned in our weapon to the armory. We cleared the weapon and pulled the trigger and handed the firearm over to the person in charge.
I’ve been to Remington, Ruger and Smith & Wesson armorers schools.. All instructors agreed on two things, 1: you can’t harm a quality firearm by dry firing it. 2: Don’t use WD 40 on firearms.
Never had any problems with we 40 can't prove it by me though I always here it.And I'm a gunsmith with access to everything.Just never had a problem with it.
When I was in the army we dry fired the M-16A1 all the time in fact we would balance a dime on the barrel to learn how to squeeze the trigger and not jerk
Yep. I was an Air Force Security Policeman. We cleared our M-16's in the clearing barrel every day and dry firing and a trigger test were one of the steps.
I remember in the boy scouts they had us dry fire marlin 60's, it never gave us problems. Also the m16a2's at Bening, drill sergeants had us dry fire to help learn trigger control.
Regarding the newer Ruger SR-22 pistol. I've had 2 gun counter people from different shops tell me NEVER to dry fire it - however printed in the manual from the factory it states this is fine to do. If I follow the manufacturer guidelines and break it, I'll be calling Ruger customer service. Very annoying that the manufacture and retailers are not in agreement here.
Survivor Gluke I own a Ruger SR9 (which is equipped with a magazine disconnect), and the manual cautions that the weapon should be dry fired ONLY with a magazine in place. Otherwise the magazine disconnect feature blocks the striker from contacting a chambered round, causing possible damage to the tip of the striker!
John Smith If your counting your rounds during combat drills I’d highly suggest you put more of your attention elsewhere. Clint Smith has excellent videos on shooting until your empty and not worrying about thing like round counting... I think he would know.
@@joem5110 I'm in the Guard and I can tell you we did lots of dime washer drills. sometimes to make it more exciting we would balance a quarter on a cleaning rod sticking out of the barrel.
@@joem5110 they have the same basic training and ait as regular army. Guard units now that I've seen are just as if not more gungho legit than regular army units. Almost like thier trying to prove somethimg., Or theyre the same
Just so everyone knows, I have dry fired my 1911 well over 100,000 times, maybe close to 300,000. A firing pin has never broken. I replaced the first firing pin after 50,000 rounds and this one has something like 100,000 rounds on it. They are so easy to replace on modern guns and the utility of dry practice makes it worth it. Go nuts but be safe.
I just have a personal policy of not dry firing any gun with a spring mounted internal firing pin,,,like a revolver . BUT,,, the AK47 and 74 do not lock back after the last shot is fired, so it will get dry fired at the end of each magazine,,,so, I don't think there's a dry fire issue with any Kalashnikov rifle.
My father in law has a model 190, I recently took it apart sanded, polished and refinished everything for him on it. I noticed this knotch that was not factory made so I polished it too, then dry fired it to see if thats what it was from. It was, so I never did that again. Now it looks brand new, anything that rubs anything has been polished on the inside and I gave itna 2 or 3 pound trigger vs. Its old heavy one. It shoots like a dream now.
I had an old heritage 22lr revolver. the previous owner had dry fired it so much that all the cylinders had burrs so bad you couldn't load the gun. I used a low powered dremmel tool and removed them, and it fixed the problem. turned out to be a pretty good gun.
This one time when I was very little, my father was showing me a P38, and I was sat on the couch, checking it out, and I, ignorant child as I was, dry fired the weapon. He about slapped me silly.
I reload my own shotgun shells and I had some primed cases laying around and I was making some snap caps from empties and somehow I picked up one of the primed cases by mistake and put a wad and rice in as I normally do for my shotshell snap caps and I got back from the skeet range the next day and cleaned my pump action shotgun and decided to check for function and I put the non primed shotshell snap caps and one snap cap I had mistakenly made with a primed case that I had made in my gun and cycled the first one through normally and I racked the slide and pulled the trigger and the primer went off and shot rice all over my basement
Damn that was funny to hear what you what you did with your gun and I laughed so hard and I thought I've never done before with one of my guns and couldn't imagine doing that with a rice flying all over the place and scaring the crap out of myself in my own home with rice and everything.
Great advice, always ask the gun owner if you can do a dry fire, should be to test trigger pull only, clear the weapon and check the chamber first and dry fire only ONCE.
Or "cold working" the grain stucture and inducing stresses into the structure that will embrittle the material and can lead to cracking or premature yield.
Eric wasn't sure about the cycle on the mini with the rotating bolt. Of course the bolt rotates to lock with 2 lugs but that rotation also serves as a headspace safety. If the bolt isn't at least 50% locked the firing pin will not move forward if struck by the hammer. Now the hammer may push the bolt completely into battery but if it has enough energy to ignite the primer depends on several factors. That rotating bolt setup is very safe and reliable. Thanks for all your great videos!
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It's always great to learn something and hear the voice of a ledgend. Eric knows his shit too! Q. Would a titanium firing pin for a AR crystallize if dry humped? Q. Would it melt if it punctured a primer?
As a teenager I had a .22 bolt action rifle. I kept it in my room but unloaded as I knew the basics of firearm safety. I was out of ammo for a few months and decided to give my weapon a quick wipedown to prevent rust ect. Upon opening the bolt a live round was ejected. I had no idea it was even loaded and again thought to myself that I knew I had cleared it after shooting. Upon talking to some of my friends I found out one of them found a .22 round and decided to put it in the weapon so we would have it for the next time we went shooting. Needless to say I was pretty unhappy about it as I had assumed he knew the basics about weapons. Just a good lesson to me to always treat every weapon as if it was loaded, even if you "know" it isn't.
RSK454 WASD oo
Unfriend his ass.
No weapon is unloaded until it is ME that unloaded it. I don't care if it was the pope or the ghost of General Grant that handed it to me, until I clear it that badboy is loaded as far as I'm concerned.
RSK454 WASD i had a similar thing happen to me. I was younger and preparing to go squirrel hunting with a family friend in early 20’s. I sat the unloaded 20gauge up against the truck in the crease. I came back and commenced to dry firing at a bird that flew by. Turns out he had loaded the gun for me and there was one in the chamber, but somehow the round was a dud. The rest of the box of ammo fired flawlessly. Had i not had it pointed at the sky, that could have been really bad.
Almost the same here. As a teenager one of my buddies loaded a long gun of mine while I was off using the can. We were looking at it for some reason, cant remember why. Habitually when I brought it out I displayed to him that it was unloaded. When I put the gun away later, out of habit again I checked it and a cartridge flew out. All that time we were looking at the gun, it had a round chambered! When he saw how angry I was all he could do was look down and say he didn't know why he did it.
25 years ago, in Romanian regular army I was teached how to dry fire after unloading exactly as Barry showed (for AK47, PSL, Pistol Carpați and Tokarev TTC). Now nice memories. :)
RIP, Barry.
Barry's plinking bricks of .22 in heaven, may he rest in peace, he was a good man.
Bilbo_Gamers r.i.p Barry he was a good man 😭
Bilbo_Gamers you mean is a good man, not was. rip Barry
Bilbo_Gamers your right
No, he's firing whatever the hell he likes! How else do ya explain thunder?
.50 bmg. Hes in heaven, they don't have to pay for ammo up there
I got into gun gripes a little late and while catching up I stumbled upon #85 and was legitimately saddened by the news of Barry passing away. My deepest condolences. The gun community has lost a major voice. He will be missed.
Professor Barry is missed.
Me too. At least we still have all of the videos for our viewing pleasure. I really feel badly for his family and loved ones; imagine how they must feel. We will all miss Barry's voice on these videos and I am really glad that Eric decided to keep the channel going!
Ya I’m way behind. Just starting on gripes now.
you know...I got a vasectomy a few years ago, Now all I do is dry Fire!!!
alex marchewka no you're still watering just not fertilizing
amazing
You fire blanks not dry fire
alex marchewka you’re shooting blank bro smh
that's not how it works... lol... When you have a vasectomy, stuff still comes out but there's no sperm mixed in the fluid.
R.I.P. Barry, been watching these vids for 2 years now and finally got my CWP yesterday. Just want say thanks to Barry and IV888 helped to give me the knowledge and confidence to go get it.
Barry's last Gun Gripe... So sad to see this knowing what happened. You can tell he was a very passionate gun enthusiast, and it's a shame that he won't get to share any of his infinite gun knowledge with us anymore. RIP
+Michael Book When did he pass?
+Sham Wilson 4/12/14
what happened?
See gun gripe 85.
+Mark Brand he had a heart attack
Barry was an encyclopedia of firearms.
In basic training the Army has soldiers doing dry fire drills well before they fire a round.
It’s really only an issue on very old firearms. Or old designs Cowboy guns. Military quality weapons are designed to withstand hard handling.
Barry.. a awesome soul
Ayy Tac in the wild lol
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I love going back and watching these old videos just to see Barry a wise and great man and a true ambassador to the 2A community. Rest in peace good sir.
Rest in peace Barry you have and will be missed.. I will always remember our long phone call about Illinois carry conceal and talking about my mom.
Thanks for the tip for de-cocking bolt actions, hadn't thought of it before, a good rule of thumb.
Whenever you pick up a firearm, point it in a safe direction, and make certain it is clear, even if you watched them clear it, you still do it, it creates good habits, and will reduce chances of accidents by 100%
Clear it for what?
Theodore Dowman a bullet in the chamber,clearing as in checking if there is any bullets in the chamber or gun and if there is you take it out
@@Marshall006 Yeah but why? Unloaded guns aren good for anything.
Theodore Dowman yeah I understand but if you’re storing them for a while or near you in a house with other people(especially kids) you want it unloaded most of the time because most little kids aren’t very informed on guns
@@Marshall006 That's an easy thing to fix. Everyone around me growing up made it very clesr that all of their firearms were loaded, All of the time.
Rest in Peace Barry, and thank you for your Eternal Vigilance of advocating discipline towards gun safety. You most likely saved many of lives.
holy crap I've been deer hunting for years and i never knew about the decock on the bolts like that... now i feel really stupid.
Thanks guys!
In the military dry firing, is a part of our daily weapons clearing procedures, especially when were deployed
Click, pop! function check, aye, sir.
Damn Barry R.I.P brother, so sorry for the loss, gonna be missed by the community !
Dry firing is an essential part of defensive pistol and trigger essentials practice. Most modern handguns can handle it just fine. I keep spare parts just in case as parts wear out on any machine used enough. Old and collectable guns are a different story.
I love how Barry tweeks everything on the counter top into perfect alignment with the item next to it. RIP good sir
This should be in saved in everyone's education playlist. I've learned so much in this video from basic info, multiple examples displayed, how to's, and even etiquette. Recent first time buyer and now i feel a lot more prepared. Thank you all!
ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS ask first. I never dry fire a firearm without first doing a safety check, and then asking. It's not just good manners or etiquette, it's just the right thing to do. If I don't own the firearm, I don't dry fire it unless I get the owner's permission. And I never dry fire a rim fire firearm. Excellent video!
Barry: a true classic...always in our hearts, brotha...
"Don't dry fire that AK-47," said no one ever.
the AK is a great weapon
it only has two useless parts
front sight and rear sight
mike dutdut my front and rear sights seem to work great on my ak'. How strange 🤔
mike dutdut Mine is working against all popular believe
Kyle Teeter underrated comment
I was about to say that I will dry fire the shit out of an AK
This vid makes me realize again what a loss Barry s death was. He and Eric were a GREAT team.
The US military’s manual of arms requires dry-firing as part of “inspection arms”. I wonder if Armorers had to replace firing pins often.
Every rifle range in the Marines: During morning safety briefs the tower ensures all shooters get on line and function check their weapon (which in the process allows the hammer to fall)
The M16/M4 won't break dry firing.
Depends on the firearm (mostly Rim Fire) but Glock also recommends snap caps for dry fire on their website and manual
R.I.P barry
i recently went to a shop and the dealer just alide dropped my 1911 and dry fired it as if he owned it, i was f-cking pissed. glad u mentioned NOT doing this shit to other peoples guns
Gonna miss the heck out of you Barry. God Bless!
Amen.
When did he pass
One of THE best videos ever made . Period
You guys there is so much gold in this. I still come back and look , and he's been gone over a year now at least? Thank you Eric for carrying on these nuggets.
I shoot competitively both rifle and pistol. Dry firing is an ESSENTIAL part of accuracy. As mentioned, dry firing almost any rimfire is not recommended. If you look at say a S&W revolver with the pin on the nose of the hammer, you'll see that it's designed to pivot slightly. This feature directly addressed and mostly solved the reason dry firing pistols wasn't a good idea decades ago. Back then, the pin was fixed. Therefore it was much more common to break them. Now? Dry fire away. Same goes for AR's, 1911's etc...You're pretty safe dry firing any current or former government issued firearm made in the last 40 years or so as well. It REALLY cracks me up when I hear people saying that simply releasing the slide on a 1911 does any harm. You could do that for hours on end...no harm.
Barrys final gun gripe episode... and i learned so much i thought i already knew... Have a good journey my brother.
We miss you Barry❤ he seemed like such a nice guy
This was Barry’s last episode before his passing 😢 we luv u Barry ❤️🙏🏿
Good discussion, thank you! So in a nutshell: it depends on the firearm whether it is okay to dry fire it or not.
Barry obviously hates dry-firing.
Ya think
Sherman Hovermale Me too, without a snap cap at least
As a retired Forensic Metallurgist I have investigated at least two gun explosions caused by a fatigued/broken firing pin due to "dry firing". For "crystallising" read Fatigue.
R I P Barry
For testing trigger pulls on 22RF rifles (yes, I'm a 'smith), I always put a fired case into the chamber and let the striker fall on that. Do this no more that three times before replacing the case or at least turning the case to a new spot on the rim... Works fine..
(to all others) make sure you keep this "practice brass" separate and in a special place. I would go as far as marking it with a colored marker as well.
Just a thing regarding your comment about leaving springs under tension:
As long as the spring are made of metal, there is no problem whatsoever in leaving them under tension for extended periods of time. This goes both for springs in guns and magazines. Metal wear and fatigue arises from *cycles* of stress, not static stress itself.
Can y'all make a video that's just the sound of racking the slides and bolts of all the guns in the shop? I'd like to play it on a loop while I sleep. Such a comforting sound. Love the vids. Thanks for all the time y'all invest in them.
Barry and Eric are insanely knowledgeable and very well spoken. Love these videos.
Spot on brother. Here's one for ya. About 15 years ago I bought my first shotgun. Mossberg 500. Great gun. I was young and dumb and didn't know better, I dry fired it so much that it deformed the firing pin to the point where it got stuck in the bolt. Lesson learned. Great video guys, even though it's kinda old but still love the videos, keep it up y'all!
Definitely don't dry fire a CZ-52. It'll break the firing pin after the first or second time. I learned that the hard way... aftermarket ones are very durable, though.
I learned at least three things I didn't know before.
As a 2111 my input is, we dry fired every weapon during function checks (m9s and m16s)
Always enjoy Barry. RIP. Please keep these older videos active.
I came here again to see Barry. Years ago I used to watch the two together all the time. Still hard to believe Barry is not on this earth anymore. Almost like losing an uncle. Still watch Eric and Chad sometimes.
When you dry fire a gun, the pin stops on a shoulder or other feature in the bolt or slide, rather than being stopped by the primer. It's only a problem if the design of the gun is such that either the pin or the feature that is stopping the pin is damaged. "damage" means permanent deformation, also referred to as "plastic deformation". The video is right in that rimfires should not be dry-fired; the pin can burr or chip the edges of the barrel, and if the burr is bad enough the gun may have feed and/or extraction problems. Or, the pin can glance off the edge of the chamber and become bent or otherwise damaged. One of the consequences is that the pin might not retract all the way... very bad... think about it.... Bottom line, don't dry fire your rim-fire weapons. Modern center fires are most likely ok to dry fire, but always follow the manufacturer's advice. Ruger, for instance, says their guns can be dry-fired. KelTec says none of theirs should be dry fired - there is a part in the some or all KelTec bolt designs that apparently can be damaged. Not my idea of a great design, but it is what it is. In any case, the manufacturer knows more about the engineering of their specific weapons than any of us do. Steel gun parts don't really fail from "crystallization". That's a myth. If you have a steel part that cracks it most likely wasn't heat treated properly, or there is some mechanical condition that's creating unusually high loading on the part. Parts all have dimensional tolerances, and not all parts are 100% inspected. Sosometimes the result is something unexpected that can cause mechanical problems. My background, in case anyone is wondering, is in mechanical engineering and stress analysis.
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How are Glocks for dry firing? Are they safe to use in that manner?
Yes. I am a long-time Glock user and dry fire them. It's no problem. In fact, on all Glocks, you have to dry fire the gun before you can remove the slide. Dry firing is useful for getting the feel of the trigger. But shoot a lot of real rounds. There is no substitute for shooting live ammo, and of course it *is* much different than dry firing.
bahhumbucker Ok. Thanks for the advice. Another question though: for personal/home defense, what would be the best round to have for a Glock? I live in California, so I can't have more than 10 rounds in a mag, mind you. But what is preferable: 9mm, 40. S&W or 45. ACP? heard 40. S&W is a good compromise between the first and last of the three.
The 10 round mag law sucks. Statistics show that police, who train a lot, actually miss in real gunfights 75% of the shots they take. If you do as well, that means you'll get 2-3 hits out of your ten round mag. That's just not enough, and if there are multiple invaders, you are screwed.
Get a 9mm. Really... there is absolutely no doubt in my mind about this, and I have them all. A lot of people will argue. Forget all of it. Get the 9mm. The .45 ACP is expensive to shoot. The 40S&W is touted as a compromise, but that's just nonsense. The .40 S&W (Glock 22 and 23) is a high pressure round that snaps very hard in your hand. It actually recoils more than a .45. I have a G23... I can shoot it well... but I shoot the 9mm G19 and G17 better and easier.
The FBI is changing to 9mm from the .40S&W, that they were instrumental in popularizing. Search on FBI 9mm and see if you can find the summary. It's good reading. You'll choose the 9mm. Forget what the guy the gun store says. The FBI study points out that the stopping power is a myth, and presents other sound reasons as well. The best reason is, you will shoot the 9mm best of the three and get more rounds on target quicker - and that's your goal, not mythical stopping power. Please do try to find that summary of the FBI's report.
Personally, I strongly believe that the best info comes from the military organizations and law enforcement groups like the FBI and the Secret Service. They actually bring on consultants and such to do real research and testing. To them, it's science, not opinion. That's why their conclusions are worth paying attention to. They internet and the guy that works at the gun store... well......
And, almost forgot... the 9mm is the least expensive ammo of the three. As a new gun owner, you want to shoot *a lot*. Stick with decent US made ammo. I get it online, and wait for the sales.and stock up once or twice a year. No steel case, cheap reloads or Russian garbage.
Finally, learn to clean and oil your Glock correctly. Most everyone over-oils them. Glocks take almost no oil, and it has to be applied at only the correct spots. Good luck! 9mm!
I just started watching these videos and found out Barry died idk why I'm so sad this man is a legend I would have loved to meet him
Me too bud
Same here, but at least his videos are still educational even years after he's gone
The gun gripes on revolvers taught me not to spin and slam lock the cylinder. Rip Barry
Love seeing the old videos with Barry God rest his soul
I can’t believe it’s been 4 years already. RIP Barry.
Very sorry to hear Barry is gone. It will be strange, not hearing his voice....
Watching this video now for the first time ... RIP Barry he seems such a great person you can tell a lot by how a person speaks very soft spoken he will be missed very much in the gun community..
OUTSTANDING Video! I have learned more from this channel than any other, and particularly this video. Thanks for such a comprehensive and knowledgeable video.
R I P. BARRY. Appreciate all you passed on to us. We will pass it on to future generations. 🇺🇸
My father was a country man. He had two rules: never dry fire your shotgun and never shoot an animal unless you intend to eat it.
I shoot percussion, black power muzzle loaders. Dry firing will destroy the nipple of the gun. Also, never store your musket with the lock on full or half cock, it will damage the spring. I have a friend who had an orignal Enfeld p58 , with Tower marking. He alowed one of his friends to look at it. The friend put the gun back with the hammer cocked. The lock spring popped and he cannot scorce a spring in Ireland.
I would also like to say RIP Barry, he had amazing knowledge and I really liked this Southern gentleman.
Your gun grips are always so good. I really appreciate all the knowledge and GRIPES y'all have shared!
RIP Barry! You will be missed!
I already miss Barry
Damn man Barry was and (in spirit) still is a cool as hell guy. I'd give anything too just sit on a porch with him, have a beer and a cigar an just listen too his stories and wisdom. R.I.P. Barry. You are thoroughly missed in the gun community and everyone you have touched. See ya on the other side. Gonna hit the range today thinkin of ya. It's so weird how someone whom I've never met (unfortunately) can mean so much too me.
For snap caps I've been buying Tipton over other brands because it actually has brass at the end & a spring inside to cushion it. I have seen other snap caps that just have a missing primer and that seems to only be for practice at the range to see if one flinches, definitely doesn't cushion a damn thing.
RIP Barry, you guys and chad too are such a great resource. With dry firing you can make your own choices but i think with others be straight up, "can i handle you firearm" "sure, but don't dry fire it or I'll kick your ass"
Personally I've never had an issue and I've dry fired the hell out of my pistols for practice. But someone else's gun, I always ask. It's just proper to ask. Same as I ask if I want to pet your dog or anything when it's not yours. It ain't hard to ask
This was Barry's last n' Rest In Peace and keep on plinking buddy.
Years later....... I still miss Barry.
It's crazy to watch this video knowing this was Barry's last video.
he really brought a lot to the gun community and truly taught me a lot when I first bought my first gun, and continues to teach me after he passed away.
Thanks a lot for this video guys. My Dad raised me to never dry fire, but my shooting buddies convinced me that it was safe to do with my high volume guns. My favorite story about a non-shooter's pour etiquette is; one night during a my house poker game. I was showing by buddy my new Savage .17 HMR with BSA sweet 17 scope. His girlfriend runs into the room and says, "I love guns can I see that". Sure I guess. She grabbed a hold of it and immediately gives the elevation dial a full twist. That gun was a tack driver at 100 before she got a hold of it. That couple hasn't been invited back to my house or the range since.
R.I.P Barry
R.I.P Barry. You will be missed.
If Eric learned ten percent of Barry’s knowledge then he is a genius.
Is good information like this that should be shouted from the rooftops. Thank you, gentlemen.
There is a gun store near my home that has signs up not only asking you not to dry fire any of the guns but also stating that you will be charged $15-$200 if you do so. That's one way to prevent dry firing.
in the army, we used AK-47s
every time we used them, we dry fired them quite a lot; as far as I recall, none of the AKs in my platoon broke or had firing pin issues
the guys on patrol dry fired their AKs a couple a times a day, each day
We did the same with our HK-416s.
You're not going to hurt an AK dry firing. You'd have to go well out of your way to hut an AK.
The same here zMe ul.
HaakonTheViking and G3's (AG3)
In the Finnish army dry firing was standard practice in unloading the weapon. When one returned from guard duty one was ordered to remove the magazine, cock the weapon and dry fire in the air. There was a case where someone forget to order the removal of the magazine and they did it under the porch. The guard got six days arrest for that.
However, we did not just repeatedly dry fire in training as that would have taught improper use of the weapon.
Great video!
when its part of a functions check (for AR15 type firearms), then it has to be done after being reassembled. Otherwise... consult the manual.
I was taught in the military that dry firing an M-16 was perfectly safe and did no harm whatsoever to the firearm. In fact it was an essential part of our clearing of the rifle we did whenever we turned in our weapon to the armory. We cleared the weapon and pulled the trigger and handed the firearm over to the person in charge.
2:44 i like that he demonstrated the uncocking a bit more clearly.
Ol Barry, I could sit down with a beer and listen to that guy talk all day :)
I’ve been to Remington, Ruger and Smith & Wesson armorers schools..
All instructors agreed on two things, 1: you can’t harm a quality firearm by dry firing it. 2: Don’t use WD 40 on firearms.
Never had any problems with we 40 can't prove it by me though I always here it.And I'm a gunsmith with access to everything.Just never had a problem with it.
I know people who've been using wd40 for a looong time on some really nice firearms with no issues.
The real Yooper I hope you understand that despite your education, don't pull the trigger on a gun of mine without a snap cap...any gun of mine.
@@Chief2Moon settle down tough guy
Kjbkjb kjbkjb Nothing tough about it, everyone I shoot with feels the same with their firearms. You're free to do what you want with yours
When I was in the army we dry fired the M-16A1 all the time in fact we would balance a dime on the barrel to learn how to squeeze the trigger and not jerk
Yep. I was an Air Force Security Policeman. We cleared our M-16's in the clearing barrel every day and dry firing and a trigger test were one of the steps.
I really miss Barry. I pray for his blessings and that he keeps an eye on Eric.
I remember in the boy scouts they had us dry fire marlin 60's, it never gave us problems. Also the m16a2's at Bening, drill sergeants had us dry fire to help learn trigger control.
Regarding the newer Ruger SR-22 pistol. I've had 2 gun counter people from different shops tell me NEVER to dry fire it - however printed in the manual from the factory it states this is fine to do.
If I follow the manufacturer guidelines and break it, I'll be calling Ruger customer service.
Very annoying that the manufacture and retailers are not in agreement here.
Ruger says all their firearms are safe to dry fire. I don't know if it's true since I don't dry fire without snap caps.
Survivor Gluke
I own a Ruger SR9 (which is equipped with a magazine disconnect), and the manual cautions that the weapon should be dry fired ONLY with a magazine in place. Otherwise the magazine disconnect feature blocks the striker from contacting a chambered round, causing possible damage to the tip of the striker!
but you dryfire an ak every time you run out of ammo anyways?
@FearTheGremlin why the sks. I always check if the free floating firing pin is free before taking it to the range.
I should've figured AK owners don't know how to count, lol
John Smith If your counting your rounds during combat drills I’d highly suggest you put more of your attention elsewhere. Clint Smith has excellent videos on shooting until your empty and not worrying about thing like round counting... I think he would know.
Seriously Eric you were in the ARMY. Do you not remember "The Penny Drill", dry firing until you're finger cramped?
I was just thinking about that when I was in they called it the dime test .
@@joem5110 Guard has the same basic training as active duty and reserves
Dime washer drill
@@joem5110 I'm in the Guard and I can tell you we did lots of dime washer drills. sometimes to make it more exciting we would balance a quarter on a cleaning rod sticking out of the barrel.
@@joem5110 they have the same basic training and ait as regular army. Guard units now that I've seen are just as if not more gungho legit than regular army units. Almost like thier trying to prove somethimg., Or theyre the same
well what i got from this video is do not dry fire and get some snap caps. this is a great channel for people new to guns
I never had a clue until now, I love Barry, RIP bro.
If you read the Ruger 10 22 instruction manual in the unload section it tells you to dry fire.
Touché.
Just so everyone knows, I have dry fired my 1911 well over 100,000 times, maybe close to 300,000. A firing pin has never broken. I replaced the first firing pin after 50,000 rounds and this one has something like 100,000 rounds on it. They are so easy to replace on modern guns and the utility of dry practice makes it worth it. Go nuts but be safe.
youve dry fired 300,000 times?
yeah no buddy im calling bullshit that youve dry fired that many times
@@Sarge92 Exactly lol
I just have a personal policy of not dry firing any gun with a spring mounted internal firing pin,,,like a revolver .
BUT,,, the AK47 and 74 do not lock back after the last shot is fired, so it will get dry fired at the end of each magazine,,,so, I don't think there's a dry fire issue with any Kalashnikov rifle.
My father in law has a model 190, I recently took it apart sanded, polished and refinished everything for him on it. I noticed this knotch that was not factory made so I polished it too, then dry fired it to see if thats what it was from. It was, so I never did that again. Now it looks brand new, anything that rubs anything has been polished on the inside and I gave itna 2 or 3 pound trigger vs. Its old heavy one.
It shoots like a dream now.
I had an old heritage 22lr revolver. the previous owner had dry fired it so much that all the cylinders had burrs so bad you couldn't load the gun. I used a low powered dremmel tool and removed them, and it fixed the problem. turned out to be a pretty good gun.
Rest In Peace Barry, you will forever live in our hearts brother.
This one time when I was very little, my father was showing me a P38, and I was sat on the couch, checking it out, and I, ignorant child as I was, dry fired the weapon.
He about slapped me silly.
I reload my own shotgun shells and I had some primed cases laying around and I was making some snap caps from empties and somehow I picked up one of the primed cases by mistake and put a wad and rice in as I normally do for my shotshell snap caps and I got back from the skeet range the next day and cleaned my pump action shotgun and decided to check for function and I put the non primed shotshell snap caps and one snap cap I had mistakenly made with a primed case that I had made in my gun and cycled the first one through normally and I racked the slide and pulled the trigger and the primer went off and shot rice all over my basement
Damn that was funny to hear what you what you did with your gun and I laughed so hard and I thought I've never done before with one of my guns and couldn't imagine doing that with a rice flying all over the place and scaring the crap out of myself in my own home with rice and everything.
Well it least it was rice instead of lead
Oops! I'm sure the expression on your face was priceless!
Good for wedding maybe 🤷♀️ Lol
Great advice, always ask the gun owner if you can do a dry fire, should be to test trigger pull only, clear the weapon and check the chamber first and dry fire only ONCE.
That old man is a legend. Definitely a guru.
This was Barry's last video. RIP Barry thanks for the knowledge
Fantastic vid, learned quite a bit!!
Good and informative video, except the proper term is 'work hardening' the steel is already crystallized.
Or "cold working" the grain stucture and inducing stresses into the structure that will embrittle the material and can lead to cracking or premature yield.
Eric wasn't sure about the cycle on the mini with the rotating bolt. Of course the bolt rotates to lock with 2 lugs but that rotation also serves as a headspace safety. If the bolt isn't at least 50% locked the firing pin will not move forward if struck by the hammer. Now the hammer may push the bolt completely into battery but if it has enough energy to ignite the primer depends on several factors. That rotating bolt setup is very safe and reliable. Thanks for all your great videos!
It's always great to learn something and hear the voice of a ledgend. Eric knows his shit too! Q. Would a titanium firing pin for a AR crystallize if dry humped? Q. Would it melt if it punctured a primer?