Cheesy technicality is that it can hold an item even though it’s a mega, or that it’s ability is just “no weaknesses.” Definitely wouldn’t have been banned if it didn’t have this stuff going for it.
@@leavemealone8534 That isn't cheese or technicality. You need to go out of your way to create a cheese strat, like the F.E.A.R. strategy or the like. Mega Rayquaza gets the stuff you mentioned from the get-go no matter what else you do with it. That's not cheese or technicality, that's just raw power because it was all intentional by design from the beginning.
Mega Rayquaza sounds like what a kid would make up first if they got like a super crazy pokemon editor. Make all stats 9999, immune to everything, give it the best move with 9999 power. I love it.
I remember seeing niche counter strategies popping up like Focus Sash Golduck. Cloud Nine let it ignore the weather, and thus increase Rayquaza's Ice weakness. This allowed you to hit it with a 4x effective Ice Beam or Blizzard for a surprise KO.
I only recently got into competitive battles so I never got to experience Mega Rayquaza in Ubers. But I did get to see Zacian-C and how crazy to counter that thing was. My favorite being people playing Unaware Quagsire to ignore his ability and any sword dance he may have got.
@@albabimam1114 No? The DPP meta only recently banned Arceus from ubers. Just because the games are gen 4 doesn't mean the ban happened earlier as well. Rayquaza was banned in 2016, Arceus was banned in Dec 2020. Also, Arceus was not banned because it was op, it was banned because it was unobtainable
I can remember people running all sorts of janky shit to try to deal with it that had no place at all VS anything else in Ubers, and it still beat most of them, most of the time.
@@windwaker0rules has the attack stats of deoxys-A, a bit less speed, a lot more bulk, and a much, much better ability. Oh, and also is a dragon/flying type that doesn't fear ice moves too much, there's that too.
I remember playing when Mega Ray was first introduced, that was a WILD time One of the few videos where I knew the answer before watching, but still an entertaining vid :)
I feel like Regigigas should get some kind of signature item to skip the 5 turns of charge time before it gets to actually use its offensive stats. Still has a downside (have to run a specific item) but not as extreme. Hell, if they still need a downside, they could make the item have the big guy be confused on entry instead of having to stall five agonizing turns. I mean the funniest thing would be if Regigigas got the buff... And still managed to be ass somehow.
Regigigas was done dirty bad in a gen where the god of Pokemon. It has same BST as other major Legendaries. 670/680 BST was not new. It is also a Normal type. No reason to give it Slow Start. Not to mention, Regigigas never got a hidden ability while many other stronger legends got one.
@@susear5939 the reason it got slow start was not for competitive balance, it was done for theming. Back in dpp, gamefreak gave abilities to let pokemon embody their concepts more and for the balance along your journey, not competitively. That wasn't a consideration back then. Regigigas gets slow start because its only just woken up from a long slumber, its still getting its bearings. Thats why it has slow start. Its not for competitive balance.
@@asdfniofanuiafabuiohui3977 i believe that after so many years since DP he wont need the slow start then. There should be a quest or something like that in newer games where Regigigas can obtain his hidden ability and lose Slow Start
Rayquaza: Due to it's power and violent ways, it was banished by Groudon and Kyogre to a dimension called "Anything Goes" where anything can happen in comparison to our world -Pokedex, I think
Mega Rayquaza gets a 780 stat block with amazing, typing, stabs, and ability with the only conceivable downside being that you're forced into using a good move that you'd probably be running anyways Regigigas has a stat total of 670 and gets slow start, a ok set of stabs, and an ok typing Power creep is a cruel hag
Even wack niche mons like Shuca Rhyperior could get destroyed, I often run water moves like surf or waterfall (depending on what else I'm running) in AG since it is Ray's best option to cleanly OHKO primal Groudon since mega-Ray removes harsh sun. Which would also ass-blast rhy lol. Totally unwallable.
I saw someone else in here say that some people ran Cloud Nine Golduck to kill it with ice beam and blizzard as well due to it being able to ignore air stream.
I used to Run Surf Rayquaza even after Mega Ray was banned because how good it was at baiting Primal Groudon, after trying it on the Mega. Really, 4 attacks life orb MegaRay was the true menace.
It is though it was moved there after the fact and mostly to try and keep gen 4 as a legacy tier when Arceus massively changed it with a few months before it ended officially
I'll take a shot in the dark, but it might have been due to some dynamax moves being broken, like how max airstream allowed for speed control, lapras being able to setup veil with a single move while also doing massive damage and some more things i cant be bothered to remember.
@@RandalfElVikingo if fun = 3 turn sweep button to you then idk what to tell you. A dmax meta would see more bans than a meta without dmax. Pokemon like hawlucha and gyarados, as well as probably kartana, blacephelon, buzzwole, tornadus, zapdos, melmetal, moltres-galar and even ditto would see suspects/bans and that's just naming a few. A dmax meta would REQUIRE a ditto on every team as to not get swept by the opponent, and any tier in which ditto is a staple is not healthy
Besides Zacian and Mega Ray, Gen 4 Arceus is the only other legendary banned to AG. Farceus Tier as they would call it. Another notable thing about Gen 4 Arceus is that it's obtained at Level 100, thus its EVs are locked to 100 per stat. Arceus only has a base 101 stat on every stat and still got managed to be banned from Gen 4 Ubers. For the God so powerful, it made more powercreep for thyself to be able to rule the tier of Gods and Goddesses without thyself be restricted by the councilmen of rankings.
arceus was a solid option in dppt ubers, Thnx to the def sets being able to outspeed threats like palkia and chomp without max investment in speed And ig it was banned b4 gen 5 came out tho I just can't guarantee that without scouting for the facts (cuz I screw up at recollecting events in chronology xD) Thnx for reminding bout the dp lv.100 event Tho I still think that the azure flute arceus from pt did help it get ban b4 gen 5 rolled about
@@aparnajana8030 arceus was banned in 2020 while ray was banned in 2016. Arceus was only banned cuz it's literally unobtainable while mega ray was banned due to sheer power.
"Arceus was banned first in Gen 4!" No. Arceus was banned from Gen 4 Ubers in 2019- relatively recently, compared to Mega-Ray being banned and the creation of the anything-goes tier in *2014*. That's FIVE YEAR GAP. Arceus Ban Source: www.smogon.com/forums/threads/arceus-and-dpp-ubers-final-take.3657584/ Mega Ray ban/AG creation Source: www.smogon.com/forums/threads/ubers-is-now-a-tier-a-new-metagame-called-anything-goes-is-added-m-ray-is-banned-from-ubers.3523205/ Look at the post dates.
Arceus was actually banned from gen 4 ubers around the same time black white released but on a technicality Only recently they found a way around it only to re-ban him for real this time
Oh no. The one restriction for Mega Rayquaza is that you have to have Dragon Ascent, the only good flying move in the game and it just so happens that it's extremely op. This is so sad. Basically UU at that point.
Just to add on to Freezai: The Delta Stream ability removes the weakness of flying types so Mega Ray is no longer weak to rock attacks. That's not 100% true as Mega Ray is still weak to Stealth rocks. But interesting video regardless Freezai 😊
@@monnamonsta I'm not sure if hazard damage kicks in before ability or that the ability itself does not protect Mega Ray against status attacks such as Stealth Rocks
M-Rayquaza was just too vanilla strong, the title of Legendary among Legendaries, Uber among Ubers really fitted him, he hadn't any particularly incredible niche (in fact, their "niche" was basically denying other niches), instead just being stupid strong, more or less like what could happen if you let Mewtwo go free for a day in OU. Or something like that. The creation of Anything Goes with M-Rayquaza's ban had the kind of funny side effect of people deciding to bring DPP!Arceus into the AG Tier as well, I don't remember if we had ever seen a retrospective change (after generation's end) that wasn't from the pre-Smogon Tiers, though Arceus was kind of the unique case, both with the Pokémon themself and the weird dynamics it had for been a Pokémon only available at Level 100.
God I remember this. I JUST started getting into competitive Pokemon before ORAS and the hysteria over MegaRay was something else. If people were calling Ubers "the banlist" before MegaRay, then this was some unprecedented shit. Good times.
Cost of using Mega Rayquaza: You can't use other Mega pokemon. Pros of using Mega Rayquaza: It has high Attack, supplemented by Dragon Dance and Life Orb. It has high speed, supplemented by D Dance. Basically once it starts to sweep you can't stop it. Its weaknesses are that of mono Dragon but its Flying type moves still have STAB. It has 120 bp Flying and 80 bp +2 priority moves. And still has one more moveslot. So once it's got one or two d dance you'll be blessed to live a hit. And it still has good bulk
A mega of a legendary who can run an item makes sense as the first Pokémon to need a ban from Ubers. The second big one being a random minmaxed sword dog, not really
GameFreak: "People keep complaining that power creep is getting worse and worse, how should we fix this?" . . . GameFreak: "Oh I know let's give Rayquaza its own Mega Evolution that doesn't need to hold an item and its own version of Close Combat I predict that nothing will go wrong whatsoever"
@@noctis6230 Cool Pokemon getting ignored in favor of Dragons started in gen 3, and it made unfortunate sense it happened in the remake gen. So many dragons, got Megas, and the only one who deserved one (Flygon) got ignored! Charizard, who yes I'm counting, got 2! And to top it all off, the most powerful Pokemon ever created was a damn Dragon. #StopDragonBiasGameFreak
Yeah, remember when Regigigas was given a terrible ability that makes it completely unusable because GameFreak was afraid it might be too strong? Those days are over.
I love how Mega Ray was so OP that they had to reformat the banlist into a proper tier and make a new banlist.. I bet Eternamax Eternatus is in Anything Goes too since... 1125 BST
I honestly don't care about competitive. But for a Pokemon with an Amazing Lore, Amazing Design, Amazing Shiny colors (That fits both Mega and Regular variants) that performs great in competitive and a Mega Form that created a new tier that paved way to other absurd monsters in the following generation like Zacian-C, E-Eternatus and G-Darmanitan. Rayquaza truly is one of the best Pokemon ever created. I do know for a fact that as long as Pokemon exists and new generations continue to come, Rayquaza itself will get outclassed but that doesn't even matter because the Legacy it left behind is forever immortalized. Something that no other Pokemon did besides Gen 1 Mewtwo.
you don't care about competitive and yet mention it being broken in competitive as being one of the reasons it's the best pokemon ever, under a video specifically about competitive pokemon. ok bro.
To be pedantic; AG has one clause... The Endless Battle clause. This is because a literal infinite setup can be performed on Defensive Pokemon (Hilariously dubbed "Fun-bro") and can cause Endless Battles. Slowbro @ Leppa Berry -Slack Off -Heal Pulse -Block -Recycle This very specific set is the only thing even AG won't allow.
Arceus was actually somewhat banned from standard Ubers in Gen 4, it just wasn't called AG, just Ubers with Arceus. Because of powercreep this was obviously no longer necessary when AG was created. Now Mega-Ray only resides together with Zacian and Magicarp
Not only that, but dragon ascent is just straight up an amazing move. Unlike something like draco meteor, it doesn't drop the stat it relies on so it's super easy to spam. Even if you didn't need it to mega evolve I'm pretty sure it would always be included.
I’m really enjoying the “I was banned first actually” beef from the Gen 4 Arceus crowd. Sorry Gen 4 Arceus side but based on the limited research I’ve done from this comment section “the simulator literally couldnt stop you from giving me EVs” is NOT the same as “literally the strongest thing ever by a mile”
So the funny thing is, arceus had his limited ev's and still dominated the uber tier, and even without his fairy form, arceus still has multiple options to hard wall/counter even monsters as zacian-crowned (or hero) and mray God created these monsters and still had a form to vibe check them, if that's not a flex idfk what is at this point
Arceus is also properly banned on gen 4 now via a suspect test, but yeah, that was many years later (a bit before Zacian was banned from SwSh). Rayquaza still is the first one to ever be officially AG rather than just abusing a technicality that carried over to new sims that didn't even have that problem
Mega ray just wrecks every thing tbh. Zacian, just bring a Bug Fire type as Zacian cant dmax and its stabs and fighting coverage is resisted while it can strike back with fire stab. Itd have to be forced to have Crunch on there for neutral damage
@SkullerClawer Bandicoot „Just bring a Bug/Fire type“ If a counter is 4x weak to Stealth Rocks, it might as well not be a counter at all because you have to forgo any real items in favor of Heavy Duty boots and therefore can’t use it to its full potential. Also, Behemoth Blade is still a clean 2HKO on both Bug/Fire types despite the resistance. And it doubles in power if you Dynamax.
@@skullerclawerbandicoot7966 There are no viable bug fire types you would use. Bringing irrelevant Pokémon that do nothing against the rest of the metagame outside of checking Zacian doesn’t really count. If you are going to go bring out irrelevant stuff like this, then we can say Mimikyu stops Mega Ray since Play Rough and shadow sneak always kills.
Few minor nitpicks: "Never before seen stats." Not true, as Mega Mewtwo X and Y both had a BST of 780 as well, but Mewtwo had to run a mega stone to mega-evolve which kept it in check. As you stated, Rayquaza not needing a mega stone to mega-evolve really was the tipping point, since it could run Life Orb to augment it's already insane power. Also, at the time, the only Ubers to have a BST of over 680 were Mega Salamence and Kyurem-White (700), Arceus (720), Primal Groudon and Primal Kyogre (770), and the aforementioned Mega Mewtwo X and Y (780). That sounds like a lot, but that is only 6 Pokemon out of the 30 total in Ubers (excluding alternate forms). Everything else was 680 and below, meaning Mega Rayquaza was OVER 100 points above most of the competition, not almost. Again, these nitpicks are minor, but all these do is highlight how Mega Rayquaza was even more busted than you already explained.
@@rjante2236 Trying to work out the Endless Battle clause, if we recall. That's the only clause still in effect even in AG, since endless battles aren't a strategy to win so much as a trolling method.
Mega-Ray: The Pokemon that forced Smogon to put their foot down on the incorrect "Uber is a banlist" and create a *real* banlist. Hilarious. Now it's joined by Sword Doggo and Swordless Doggo as the only 3 Pokemon ever to be yeeted from Ubers. I bet Gen 9 gives us 3 more.
Mega Rayquaza: So powerful it created a banlist for the banlist. Still loses to Metal Burst Aron. ...that's actually how I KO'd it in one run. Little Cup run of the ROM hack Pokemon Unbound on Insane mode. To make matters worse, it's in doubles alongside a *full team.*
I don't think Mega Ray was the first Anything Goes Mon. Arceus came out late during a competitive gen cycle, and also technically "not legally available" at the time, such that it was banned from Ubers and put into Anything Goes for a short while.
the fact that they decided to just remove its flying type weaknesses with absolutely no tradeoffs is what did it for me. that level of absurd ignorance towards game balance is pretty much deserving of having a pokemon be removed from competitive play entirely, imo
There's an argument that Delta stream is just as imbalanced as Primordial Sea and Desolate Land, which gave their wielders a 50% boost to one of their STAB typings while NULLIFYING fire/water attacks. Of course while it famously removes Pdon's otherwise 4x weakness to water, Pogre also appreciates switching in on fire moves without even chip since it has no recovery besides rest. I think what really pushed mray over the edge was Dragon Dance + the ability to hold an item. Take away both those things, and you have still have an S/S+ pokemon but it gets reliably revenge killed by scarf xerneas (which is a set that people run anyway). Even with no ability, this thing might have been banned to AG, it just wouldn't be able to dragon dance on nearly every mon in the tier.
I think another key feature is just it's unpredictability. Sure, you have to have Dragon Ascent on there, but past that, Ray has such a shockingly wide moveset that you can really run a ton of weird stuff. Slap it on a rain team with hurricane and thunder just to really mess up the physical walls, run it defensively as either stall or support, choice band, choice specs, etc. It can do way too much and work in any position in a team slot.
Oh yeah. I remember this quite well. Insane times this was. And this kids is why Megas won't come back to the traditional Pokemon games until they have a solution for Mega Rayquaza, like giving it a dedicated item.
Shiny Rayquaza has always been my favorite before Mega Evolutions was ever a thing. The fact that's he has become the most powerful Pokemon is fucking awesome
Mainly because to change it to Mega, you do not need a specific item, so it can run any item it wants (except for Pokemon specific items or Z-Crystals). Instead it only needs to know Dragon Ascent. Oh, and Dragon Ascent is not just a gimmicky move, it is the Flying-type version of Close Combat. An already great move, that also benefits Rayquaza a lot, as it gives it a reliable STAB Flying move, which it lacked before. If it was a garbage move, it might not have been ban-worthy.
They don't seem to be... They are, they are incredibly broken. Mega Rayquaza doesn't exist in Gen8 but even if it did, it would be OHKO by Zacian. It's faster than almost everything and has an insane Attack stat, plus, it gets a +1 boost in attack on entrance.
er zacian has - an incredible defensive and decent offensive typing - 723 attack with ada switching in, enough said - rly good stabs in play rough and blade, plus p good coverage - decent defenses - swords dance which no one runs but i just wanna mention because a +3 zacian is funi - amazing speed tier - and finally, i dont think it has any counters, only somewhat checks
One of the hardest hitting things in Pokemon(insanely high attack stat plus intrepid sword), good speed, good bulk, has both the best offensive and the best defensive types in the game, good moveset;etc
@@AffyMoon good speed more like fantastic speed 138 base normal base 148 crowned i can count on my hands the small list of things that out speed it only 13 mons normally out speed its normal form with half of those being shit mons like ninjask and electrode lol
Man....people who think Mewtwo was busted in Gen 1 have no idea how absurd Mega Ray Ray was when it was first announced. Considering it was Primal Groudon that took the #1 Uber spot after the ban to AG just imagine how borked Mega Ray was when it could OHKO said #1 mon with a mere Surf or Waterfall right through Desolate Land. The rest of the tier was terrorized in singles because even though Fairy was immune to Dragon the new Flying STAB was just that damn good. Mega Ray was a beast among beasts and neither Arceus Forms nor Ultra Necrozma have come close to it's dominance. The only mon to enter that realm as of now is Zacian-Crowned and even his movepool is nothing compared to Big Ray's.
@@mysterysecret6815 Lmao, read the comments bro. Matches were decided depending upon who's Mega Ray was healthy. It over-centralized a metagame even when monstrous threats and immediate checks existed compared to Mewtwo in Gen 1 being the only Uber. It's not the same as compensating for inflation. Mewtwo was busted, yes, Mega Ray was in a completely different dimension by comparison.
Don't know how to put this to sound more witty but I find the comparison between Mega Rayquaza and pre-errata Chaos Emperor Dragon from Yu-Gi-Oh pretty amusing, one dragon got banned from its games 'banlist' while the other one literally created theirs games one.
anything goes literally means anything goes : mega ray , evasion strats , no sleep clause, more than one species of pokemon ,ohko moves . basically anything
Because he could hold an item while mega evolving. He could mega evolve without a mega stone. He didn't need it. He only needed to learn the move dragon ascent or something. So he could hold life orb or literally anything while other mega pokemon couldn't. That's the only reason
That alongside the fact that it’s ability took away its rock weakness, let it resist electric and halved its quad weakness from ice combined with the weather negate just made it feel all the more threatening.
However, he wasn’t alone, at least he’s glad to have 3 mons who accompany himself and themselves. The God himself Sword Doggo Ghost Horse with Balloon-like smol human sitting on it
Regular Rayquaza was already OP to begin with, so to give it a Mega with no necessity for a Mega Stone so it could run any object made it insanely OP. What was GF even thinking with that?
i guess the target audience is still mainly kids and if i was a 10yo boy, i couldnt imagine the hype when getting that super juiced up mega ray that simply cleaves through everything so i don't blame gamefreak 🤷 if they really cared about competitive balancing they wouldnt make stuff like toxapex that just gets everything it could want imo
@Blue Cube Gaming Rayquaza had its ass comfortably in Ubers ever since it was introduced and Fairies did little to change that. How about giving a new form to a Pokémon like Regigigas or at least making Slow Start less terrible to go with the times?
@@rainpooper7088 at least now m rayquaza no longer the strongest mons. It get beaten by sword fairy dog in AG. As for slow start i think GF already consider it in game lore and asked about it: use it in double with wheezing nuff said.
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No cheesy technicalities this time, Rayquayza was just vanilla stronger.
I love how the answer to the question is just "fuck it was SO STRONG".
vanilla stronger is a nice term i will use it in the future
Cheesy technicality is that it can hold an item even though it’s a mega, or that it’s ability is just “no weaknesses.” Definitely wouldn’t have been banned if it didn’t have this stuff going for it.
@@leavemealone8534
That isn't cheese or technicality. You need to go out of your way to create a cheese strat, like the F.E.A.R. strategy or the like.
Mega Rayquaza gets the stuff you mentioned from the get-go no matter what else you do with it. That's not cheese or technicality, that's just raw power because it was all intentional by design from the beginning.
@@dragodjordje2425 more like, vanilla I scream ;)
Mega Rayquaza sounds like what a kid would make up first if they got like a super crazy pokemon editor.
Make all stats 9999, immune to everything, give it the best move with 9999 power.
I love it.
rayquaza goes BRRRRRR!!!
Yup, lol. A kid looked at all the other mega mons and was like...I'll take that, but I'd like to use an item too!
Fr in a randomizer nuzlocke the first trial was a mega rayquaza and even though my team was stacked it still swept 😑
Stats are saved as bytes so they can only be 256 max
@@funkymachine its hyperbole bruh
I remember seeing niche counter strategies popping up like Focus Sash Golduck. Cloud Nine let it ignore the weather, and thus increase Rayquaza's Ice weakness. This allowed you to hit it with a 4x effective Ice Beam or Blizzard for a surprise KO.
I only recently got into competitive battles so I never got to experience Mega Rayquaza in Ubers. But I did get to see Zacian-C and how crazy to counter that thing was. My favorite being people playing Unaware Quagsire to ignore his ability and any sword dance he may have got.
Cloud nine golduck was also used vs groudon lol
In retrospect, wouldn't Lickilicky have been a better pokemon to combat Mega Rayquaza? It also gets ice moves and Cloud Nine but with better bulk.
@@donaldjgumpofficial5754 lickilicky doesn't have the 100% to kill him with ice beam
@@thestalost8486 yeah and mega ray was even better which is quite sad
Ah yes, the Pokemon who invented Anything Goes.
That was technically Arceus in Gen 4
@@dragonbournee5270 Arceus getting banned from Gen 4's Ubers happened after Mega Rayquaza's ban.
Mewtwo invented Ubers, basically AG from Gen 1 considering the amount of OP Pokémon from OU.
@@OmegaTyrant no that was still ages ago Mega Ray
@@albabimam1114 No? The DPP meta only recently banned Arceus from ubers. Just because the games are gen 4 doesn't mean the ban happened earlier as well. Rayquaza was banned in 2016, Arceus was banned in Dec 2020.
Also, Arceus was not banned because it was op, it was banned because it was unobtainable
I remember that battles were determined by who won the espeed tie between mega rays
Yeah, I basically ran choice scarf exclusively on it and got free sweeps on anything that didn't resist flying.
That's Gen1 Mewtwo Part 2
I can remember people running all sorts of janky shit to try to deal with it that had no place at all VS anything else in Ubers, and it still beat most of them, most of the time.
@@Lankpants * FEAR magnemite has entered the chat *
@@artuxD *Extreme Speed has entered the chat*
mega ray, its like deoxys attack with a better movepool and typing that also has the bulk of a mid range uber like dialga or palkia
It's like 2 legendaries in 1 with an insane ability that makes the best pokemons in the tier just set up fodder for a 2 turn sweep
So it's nothing like deoxys attack
@@gumgum9654 has the same offensive power as deoxys attack it's just trying to set up with deoxys is a death sentence
It also outspeeds most legendaries.
@@windwaker0rules has the attack stats of deoxys-A, a bit less speed, a lot more bulk, and a much, much better ability. Oh, and also is a dragon/flying type that doesn't fear ice moves too much, there's that too.
I remember playing when Mega Ray was first introduced, that was a WILD time
One of the few videos where I knew the answer before watching, but still an entertaining vid :)
This was the point where Regigigas without Slow Start actually started to look somewhat sensible.
I feel like Regigigas should get some kind of signature item to skip the 5 turns of charge time before it gets to actually use its offensive stats.
Still has a downside (have to run a specific item) but not as extreme. Hell, if they still need a downside, they could make the item have the big guy be confused on entry instead of having to stall five agonizing turns.
I mean the funniest thing would be if Regigigas got the buff... And still managed to be ass somehow.
Regigigas was done dirty bad in a gen where the god of Pokemon. It has same BST as other major Legendaries. 670/680 BST was not new. It is also a Normal type. No reason to give it Slow Start. Not to mention, Regigigas never got a hidden ability while many other stronger legends got one.
@@susear5939 the reason it got slow start was not for competitive balance, it was done for theming. Back in dpp, gamefreak gave abilities to let pokemon embody their concepts more and for the balance along your journey, not competitively. That wasn't a consideration back then. Regigigas gets slow start because its only just woken up from a long slumber, its still getting its bearings. Thats why it has slow start. Its not for competitive balance.
@@asdfniofanuiafabuiohui3977 at least give it a hidden ability. The other Regis have one.
@@asdfniofanuiafabuiohui3977 i believe that after so many years since DP he wont need the slow start then. There should be a quest or something like that in newer games where Regigigas can obtain his hidden ability and lose Slow Start
Rayquaza: Due to it's power and violent ways, it was banished by Groudon and Kyogre to a dimension called "Anything Goes" where anything can happen in comparison to our world
-Pokedex, I think
Mega Rayquaza gets a 780 stat block with amazing, typing, stabs, and ability with the only conceivable downside being that you're forced into using a good move that you'd probably be running anyways
Regigigas has a stat total of 670 and gets slow start, a ok set of stabs, and an ok typing
Power creep is a cruel hag
Even wack niche mons like Shuca Rhyperior could get destroyed, I often run water moves like surf or waterfall (depending on what else I'm running) in AG since it is Ray's best option to cleanly OHKO primal Groudon since mega-Ray removes harsh sun. Which would also ass-blast rhy lol.
Totally unwallable.
I saw someone else in here say that some people ran Cloud Nine Golduck to kill it with ice beam and blizzard as well due to it being able to ignore air stream.
I used to Run Surf Rayquaza even after Mega Ray was banned because how good it was at baiting Primal Groudon, after trying it on the Mega.
Really, 4 attacks life orb MegaRay was the true menace.
I love how gamefreak created this monstrosity just to create a story line in the games 😅
I remember when mega ray Was allowed in gen 6 UBERs.. Man that thing still gives me nightmares. Most games were decided on who still had their ray..
Anything goes battles be like: oh man let me just use primal kyogre primal groudon mega rayquaza and 3 Zacians that's so fun
@@Ashelybee it is if your a masochist
@@Ashelybee or a 3 year old with no strategy. I do use legendaries but on a strategic basis not legendary or nothing.
@@Ashelybee no its not lol
And if Arceus ever gets the Legend Plate on a competitive game, he's gonna come up to AG to keep Mega Ray company.
Gen 4 arceus is already in AG hes already there
Most likely Legend Plate would be the thing banned rather than Arceus itself, losing all other Arceus formes is too big of a loss
Hello other omega
Ray was never weak to electric. Delta stream just made him resist electric I'm pretty sure
He was never weak to electric cus dragon resists electric so its nuetral for him
yes sir youre right
youre right, i added a correction in the description, nice catch
@@FreezaiPokemon Awesome, just wanted to help get correct information across :)
M.ray takes x1/2 to electric due to delta stream and dragon typing
Don't forget that thecnically Gen 4 Arceus is AG as well, altough it didn't have that title at first.
It is though it was moved there after the fact and mostly to try and keep gen 4 as a legacy tier when Arceus massively changed it with a few months before it ended officially
V-Create Rayquaza was one of the most amazing but unusual events to happened back when XY first came out.
Here's a video idea: Why was Dynamax banned within a month of gen 8
I'll take a shot in the dark, but it might have been due to some dynamax moves being broken, like how max airstream allowed for speed control, lapras being able to setup veil with a single move while also doing massive damage and some more things i cant be bothered to remember.
I feel like, "Why was Ditto in OU at the start of Gen 8?" would make a more interesting topic and lead into that.
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Because Smogon does not allow fun anymore.
@@RandalfElVikingo if fun = 3 turn sweep button to you then idk what to tell you. A dmax meta would see more bans than a meta without dmax. Pokemon like hawlucha and gyarados, as well as probably kartana, blacephelon, buzzwole, tornadus, zapdos, melmetal, moltres-galar and even ditto would see suspects/bans and that's just naming a few. A dmax meta would REQUIRE a ditto on every team as to not get swept by the opponent, and any tier in which ditto is a staple is not healthy
Besides Zacian and Mega Ray, Gen 4 Arceus is the only other legendary banned to AG. Farceus Tier as they would call it.
Another notable thing about Gen 4 Arceus is that it's obtained at Level 100, thus its EVs are locked to 100 per stat. Arceus only has a base 101 stat on every stat and still got managed to be banned from Gen 4 Ubers.
For the God so powerful, it made more powercreep for thyself to be able to rule the tier of Gods and Goddesses without thyself be restricted by the councilmen of rankings.
arceus was a solid option in dppt ubers, Thnx to the def sets being able to outspeed threats like palkia and chomp without max investment in speed
And ig it was banned b4 gen 5 came out tho I just can't guarantee that without scouting for the facts (cuz I screw up at recollecting events in chronology xD)
Thnx for reminding bout the dp lv.100 event
Tho I still think that the azure flute arceus from pt did help it get ban b4 gen 5 rolled about
Let arceus return with the legends plate to mark the God's presence in AG 😄😄
Btw shouldn't it be 301 stats at lv.100??
"Farceus" is a good pun
@@aparnajana8030 arceus was banned in 2020 while ray was banned in 2016. Arceus was only banned cuz it's literally unobtainable while mega ray was banned due to sheer power.
Your sub growth is pretty impressive bro, honestly thanks to your quality vids. Keep it up!
"Arceus was banned first in Gen 4!"
No. Arceus was banned from Gen 4 Ubers in 2019- relatively recently, compared to Mega-Ray being banned and the creation of the anything-goes tier in *2014*. That's FIVE YEAR GAP.
Arceus Ban Source: www.smogon.com/forums/threads/arceus-and-dpp-ubers-final-take.3657584/
Mega Ray ban/AG creation Source: www.smogon.com/forums/threads/ubers-is-now-a-tier-a-new-metagame-called-anything-goes-is-added-m-ray-is-banned-from-ubers.3523205/
Look at the post dates.
@Nish The Great Wobbufet too stronk. So stronk in fact, that if you have 2 Wobbufets fight each other, the world collapses on itself.
@@AlbRomano they creat a wobbufet singularity
@@AlbRomano Wobbuffet created Endless Battle before Slowbro battled in endlessness.
Arceus was actually banned from gen 4 ubers around the same time black white released but on a technicality
Only recently they found a way around it only to re-ban him for real this time
Oh no. The one restriction for Mega Rayquaza is that you have to have Dragon Ascent, the only good flying move in the game and it just so happens that it's extremely op. This is so sad. Basically UU at that point.
Just to add on to Freezai: The Delta Stream ability removes the weakness of flying types so Mega Ray is no longer weak to rock attacks. That's not 100% true as Mega Ray is still weak to Stealth rocks. But interesting video regardless Freezai 😊
Does it take 2x damage from stealth rocks or only 1x?
@@monnamonsta 2x so it takes 25% damage from max health
@@mattng1324 Interesting.
I haven't played Showdown recently so can't be so sure, but hazard damage takes place before abilities kick in right?
@@monnamonsta I'm not sure if hazard damage kicks in before ability or that the ability itself does not protect Mega Ray against status attacks such as Stealth Rocks
Maybe the ability only protects Mega Ray against direct (physical and special) attacks
Channel immediately ranks up with the idm crowd in terms of quality with a small fraction of the subs
As the pioneer of mega evolution lore wise, I understand why he was so OP. He was given that form to solo primal kyogre and groudon at the same time.
M-Rayquaza was just too vanilla strong, the title of Legendary among Legendaries, Uber among Ubers really fitted him, he hadn't any particularly incredible niche (in fact, their "niche" was basically denying other niches), instead just being stupid strong, more or less like what could happen if you let Mewtwo go free for a day in OU. Or something like that.
The creation of Anything Goes with M-Rayquaza's ban had the kind of funny side effect of people deciding to bring DPP!Arceus into the AG Tier as well, I don't remember if we had ever seen a retrospective change (after generation's end) that wasn't from the pre-Smogon Tiers, though Arceus was kind of the unique case, both with the Pokémon themself and the weird dynamics it had for been a Pokémon only available at Level 100.
0:25 Mega rayquaza wasn't the first 780, we'd seen it in Mega Mewtwo X/Y
Don't think he claimed it being the first
@@jeroenverschaeve3090 "never before seen BST of 780"
@@silliercrayon9588 Ah mb, I only followed OP's timestamp
God I remember this. I JUST started getting into competitive Pokemon before ORAS and the hysteria over MegaRay was something else. If people were calling Ubers "the banlist" before MegaRay, then this was some unprecedented shit. Good times.
Here’s why it’s so good. You can’t just ice shard it or scarf ice beam, cause it’s got that damn item
And ability
either yache or something else would be enough
I remember when I first mega evolved rayquaza I immediately knew it was ridiculously op
Cost of using Mega Rayquaza:
You can't use other Mega pokemon.
Pros of using Mega Rayquaza:
It has high Attack, supplemented by Dragon Dance and Life Orb.
It has high speed, supplemented by D Dance.
Basically once it starts to sweep you can't stop it.
Its weaknesses are that of mono Dragon but its Flying type moves still have STAB.
It has 120 bp Flying and 80 bp +2 priority moves. And still has one more moveslot. So once it's got one or two d dance you'll be blessed to live a hit.
And it still has good bulk
A mega of a legendary who can run an item makes sense as the first Pokémon to need a ban from Ubers. The second big one being a random minmaxed sword dog, not really
GameFreak: "People keep complaining that power creep is getting worse and worse, how should we fix this?"
. . .
GameFreak: "Oh I know let's give Rayquaza its own Mega Evolution that doesn't need to hold an item and its own version of Close Combat
I predict that nothing will go wrong whatsoever"
"sir everyone hates mega rayquaza"
Gamefreak: dog
while rayquaza got a mega which was so broken it created a tier, regigas still lives in the lowest tier
@@noctis6230 Cool Pokemon getting ignored in favor of Dragons started in gen 3, and it made unfortunate sense it happened in the remake gen. So many dragons, got Megas, and the only one who deserved one (Flygon) got ignored! Charizard, who yes I'm counting, got 2! And to top it all off, the most powerful Pokemon ever created was a damn Dragon. #StopDragonBiasGameFreak
Yeah, remember when Regigigas was given a terrible ability that makes it completely unusable because GameFreak was afraid it might be too strong? Those days are over.
@@CreamyPesto505 I like how dragon can only super effective against dragon only.
Mega evolution is so much cooler than dynamax
And Gigantamax is just "Mega Evolution but we didn't want to bring other Megas back"
@@M0D776 not really
@@kotzer71 I think they mean with the unique designs, and yeah I kinda agree.
Gamefreak looked at Rayquasa and thought "How strong is too strong?" And then kept going
This thing was made of nightmares when it was allowed to run around in Ubers.
This video can be summed up in 5 words. "Mega Legendary with no stone"
I love how Mega Ray was so OP that they had to reformat the banlist into a proper tier and make a new banlist.. I bet Eternamax Eternatus is in Anything Goes too since... 1125 BST
Well Eternamax Eternatus isn't actually usable in the game right now, kind of like Floette-Eternal
@@breloommaster12 It did get banned from balanced Hackmons tho
I honestly don't care about competitive.
But for a Pokemon with an Amazing Lore, Amazing Design, Amazing Shiny colors (That fits both Mega and Regular variants) that performs great in competitive and a Mega Form that created a new tier that paved way to other absurd monsters in the following generation like Zacian-C, E-Eternatus and G-Darmanitan.
Rayquaza truly is one of the best Pokemon ever created.
I do know for a fact that as long as Pokemon exists and new generations continue to come, Rayquaza itself will get outclassed but that doesn't even matter because the Legacy it left behind is forever immortalized.
Something that no other Pokemon did besides Gen 1 Mewtwo.
g-darm isnt in AG its just banned from ou not ubers
you don't care about competitive and yet mention it being broken in competitive as being one of the reasons it's the best pokemon ever, under a video specifically about competitive pokemon. ok bro.
Mega Ray was so good it got banned from being ban.
A video on zacian getting banned twice, would be a good follow up to this one.
I remember when this happened. My god, was I surprised and confused. But now I see why.
Remember kids Bidoof was banned out of Ubers before Mega Rayquaza
Please This Meme is Dead
@@green_hedger_68 nope bidoof actually got banned due to moody ability giving it evasion bossy
@@green_hedger_68 ruclips.net/video/iwTYu46pUaY/видео.html
Not exactly a meme.
Thanks! I Didn't Think This Derpy HM slave Got Ban But I Know He is Ban for Moddy
One of my favourite stories from competitive Pokemon, thank you for sharing this little history lesson ❤️
To be pedantic; AG has one clause... The Endless Battle clause.
This is because a literal infinite setup can be performed on Defensive Pokemon (Hilariously dubbed "Fun-bro") and can cause Endless Battles.
Slowbro @ Leppa Berry
-Slack Off
-Heal Pulse
-Block
-Recycle
This very specific set is the only thing even AG won't allow.
"There will never be any bans"
Famous last words.
Arceus was actually somewhat banned from standard Ubers in Gen 4, it just wasn't called AG, just Ubers with Arceus. Because of powercreep this was obviously no longer necessary when AG was created. Now Mega-Ray only resides together with Zacian and Magicarp
1:50 Eternatus Eternamax:Allow me to introduce myself
Not only that, but dragon ascent is just straight up an amazing move. Unlike something like draco meteor, it doesn't drop the stat it relies on so it's super easy to spam. Even if you didn't need it to mega evolve I'm pretty sure it would always be included.
I like how gamefreak's reaction to megaray was to BUFF IT by giving it v-create lmao
You do that realize V-Create Rayquaza existed before Mega Ray right?
V-Create is an event move, so Rayquaza doesn’t know it by level up. You have to get one from someone else, as the event is over.
@@breloommaster12 yes, but this was during the time they were beginning to restrict event moves from VGC.
@@michaelgjrjvebs the point still stands that GF already gave Rayquaza V-Create before MRay was made
Imagine if they made eternamax eternatus usable and they have to make a new banlist
I’m really enjoying the “I was banned first actually” beef from the Gen 4 Arceus crowd.
Sorry Gen 4 Arceus side but based on the limited research I’ve done from this comment section “the simulator literally couldnt stop you from giving me EVs” is NOT the same as “literally the strongest thing ever by a mile”
So the funny thing is, arceus had his limited ev's and still dominated the uber tier, and even without his fairy form, arceus still has multiple options to hard wall/counter even monsters as zacian-crowned (or hero) and mray
God created these monsters and still had a form to vibe check them, if that's not a flex idfk what is at this point
Arceus is also properly banned on gen 4 now via a suspect test, but yeah, that was many years later (a bit before Zacian was banned from SwSh). Rayquaza still is the first one to ever be officially AG rather than just abusing a technicality that carried over to new sims that didn't even have that problem
I know most of your content is for older generations, but I think that Zacian being in AG is also a really great topic to discuss
Mega ray just wrecks every thing tbh.
Zacian, just bring a Bug Fire type as Zacian cant dmax and its stabs and fighting coverage is resisted while it can strike back with fire stab. Itd have to be forced to have Crunch on there for neutral damage
@SkullerClawer Bandicoot
„Just bring a Bug/Fire type“
If a counter is 4x weak to Stealth Rocks, it might as well not be a counter at all because you have to forgo any real items in favor of Heavy Duty boots and therefore can’t use it to its full potential.
Also, Behemoth Blade is still a clean 2HKO on both Bug/Fire types despite the resistance. And it doubles in power if you Dynamax.
@@skullerclawerbandicoot7966 There are no viable bug fire types you would use. Bringing irrelevant Pokémon that do nothing against the rest of the metagame outside of checking Zacian doesn’t really count. If you are going to go bring out irrelevant stuff like this, then we can say Mimikyu stops Mega Ray since Play Rough and shadow sneak always kills.
Few minor nitpicks:
"Never before seen stats." Not true, as Mega Mewtwo X and Y both had a BST of 780 as well, but Mewtwo had to run a mega stone to mega-evolve which kept it in check. As you stated, Rayquaza not needing a mega stone to mega-evolve really was the tipping point, since it could run Life Orb to augment it's already insane power.
Also, at the time, the only Ubers to have a BST of over 680 were Mega Salamence and Kyurem-White (700), Arceus (720), Primal Groudon and Primal Kyogre (770), and the aforementioned Mega Mewtwo X and Y (780). That sounds like a lot, but that is only 6 Pokemon out of the 30 total in Ubers (excluding alternate forms). Everything else was 680 and below, meaning Mega Rayquaza was OVER 100 points above most of the competition, not almost.
Again, these nitpicks are minor, but all these do is highlight how Mega Rayquaza was even more busted than you already explained.
1:07 ah yes. Rayquaza the Dragon type was weak to electric before it got this ability. It essentially now resists electric if I remember correctly.
No, Rayquaza is and has always been neutral to Electric. Dragon resists it.
@@cyankoopa8111 I'm speaking of mega ray, it's ability should remove flying being weak to elec so it resists now cause of dragon.
@@LightningbreakZinOC Why would you buff mega rayquaza?? It doesn't need that, it doesn't do that as is either.
I love pokemon trivia like this, thanks for your videos!
Banned from the banlist itself. Absolute legend
At least MegaRay has a few friends now with Zacian, and the Gmax forms
Gen 1 Mewtwo, Gen 4 Arceus and Mega Ray are just stupidly insane.
"There will never be any bans." I remember when they were trying to ban leppa berry from AG. Good times.
Leppa Berry? Why?
@@rjante2236 Trying to work out the Endless Battle clause, if we recall. That's the only clause still in effect even in AG, since endless battles aren't a strategy to win so much as a trolling method.
@@wingedcatgirl Makes sense.
Neat analysis video! Thanks for uploading!
Mega-Ray: The Pokemon that forced Smogon to put their foot down on the incorrect "Uber is a banlist" and create a *real* banlist. Hilarious.
Now it's joined by Sword Doggo and Swordless Doggo as the only 3 Pokemon ever to be yeeted from Ubers. I bet Gen 9 gives us 3 more.
Gen 4 Arceus is also there, it even joined Rayquaza before the doggos
There IS a ban though for Anything Goes.
Endless Battle clause is still in effect :) I think that would be a good video.
I think he made one already on the Funbro endless battle clause.
Wouldn't want an endless battle
Rayquaza is now up there with Moody Smeargle and Brightpowder/Sand Veil Garchomp.
Mega Rayquaza:
So powerful it created a banlist for the banlist.
Still loses to Metal Burst Aron.
...that's actually how I KO'd it in one run. Little Cup run of the ROM hack Pokemon Unbound on Insane mode. To make matters worse, it's in doubles alongside a *full team.*
M-Rayquaza: "Tiers? More like...tears."
"There will never be any bans in AG" *bans ag*
I'm suprised I'm only seeing this now after this happened many years ago
I remember this remember having discussions about this.
Good times
I don't think Mega Ray was the first Anything Goes Mon. Arceus came out late during a competitive gen cycle, and also technically "not legally available" at the time, such that it was banned from Ubers and put into Anything Goes for a short while.
1:54... and Zacian-Crowned... and arceus but he got let out of jail the next gen onwards
the fact that they decided to just remove its flying type weaknesses with absolutely no tradeoffs is what did it for me. that level of absurd ignorance towards game balance is pretty much deserving of having a pokemon be removed from competitive play entirely, imo
There's an argument that Delta stream is just as imbalanced as Primordial Sea and Desolate Land, which gave their wielders a 50% boost to one of their STAB typings while NULLIFYING fire/water attacks. Of course while it famously removes Pdon's otherwise 4x weakness to water, Pogre also appreciates switching in on fire moves without even chip since it has no recovery besides rest. I think what really pushed mray over the edge was Dragon Dance + the ability to hold an item. Take away both those things, and you have still have an S/S+ pokemon but it gets reliably revenge killed by scarf xerneas (which is a set that people run anyway). Even with no ability, this thing might have been banned to AG, it just wouldn't be able to dragon dance on nearly every mon in the tier.
I legit found your channel featuring this vid 🤣 new sub btw. I can tell I'm going to be learning new things here
I think another key feature is just it's unpredictability. Sure, you have to have Dragon Ascent on there, but past that, Ray has such a shockingly wide moveset that you can really run a ton of weird stuff. Slap it on a rain team with hurricane and thunder just to really mess up the physical walls, run it defensively as either stall or support, choice band, choice specs, etc. It can do way too much and work in any position in a team slot.
Um you can’t run it on a rain team. And run it defensively? Yeah no.
1:50 Zacian: Allow me to introduce myself
And nearly six years later we see Zacian also get banned from Ubers
Oh yeah. I remember this quite well. Insane times this was. And this kids is why Megas won't come back to the traditional Pokemon games until they have a solution for Mega Rayquaza, like giving it a dedicated item.
assuming gf cares about balance
What's a god to a non-believer?
You still forgot the doggo with a sword
Shiny Rayquaza has always been my favorite before Mega Evolutions was ever a thing.
The fact that's he has become the most powerful Pokemon is fucking awesome
Waynut: where do you think you are going!? I still havent preached you yet!
Mainly because to change it to Mega, you do not need a specific item, so it can run any item it wants (except for Pokemon specific items or Z-Crystals). Instead it only needs to know Dragon Ascent. Oh, and Dragon Ascent is not just a gimmicky move, it is the Flying-type version of Close Combat. An already great move, that also benefits Rayquaza a lot, as it gives it a reliable STAB Flying move, which it lacked before. If it was a garbage move, it might not have been ban-worthy.
Gen 3 leftovers wobbuffet slowly walking towards mega Ray
imagine if deoxys attack actually had hp and defense. that's mega rayquaza
Can you do a vid on why both zacians were banned in gen 8 ubers because they don't seem to be anywhere as strong as mega ray.
They don't seem to be... They are, they are incredibly broken. Mega Rayquaza doesn't exist in Gen8 but even if it did, it would be OHKO by Zacian. It's faster than almost everything and has an insane Attack stat, plus, it gets a +1 boost in attack on entrance.
er
zacian has
- an incredible defensive and decent offensive typing
- 723 attack with ada switching in, enough said
- rly good stabs in play rough and blade, plus p good coverage
- decent defenses
- swords dance which no one runs but i just wanna mention because a +3 zacian is funi
- amazing speed tier
- and finally, i dont think it has any counters, only somewhat checks
One of the hardest hitting things in Pokemon(insanely high attack stat plus intrepid sword), good speed, good bulk, has both the best offensive and the best defensive types in the game, good moveset;etc
@@AffyMoon good speed more like fantastic speed 138 base normal base 148 crowned i can count on my hands the small list of things that out speed it only 13 mons normally out speed its normal form with half of those being shit mons like ninjask and electrode lol
@@kotzer71 incompletely forgot zacian's speed was 148, i thought it was 128 for some reason, damn
I find it funny Rayquaza has a 180 Special Attack stat to boot that it usually doesn't even use.
Man....people who think Mewtwo was busted in Gen 1 have no idea how absurd Mega Ray Ray was when it was first announced.
Considering it was Primal Groudon that took the #1 Uber spot after the ban to AG just imagine how borked Mega Ray was when it could OHKO said #1 mon with a mere Surf or Waterfall right through Desolate Land. The rest of the tier was terrorized in singles because even though Fairy was immune to Dragon the new Flying STAB was just that damn good. Mega Ray was a beast among beasts and neither Arceus Forms nor Ultra Necrozma have come close to it's dominance. The only mon to enter that realm as of now is Zacian-Crowned and even his movepool is nothing compared to Big Ray's.
Because Mewtwo in Gen 1 dominated its Gen far harder than Mega Ray in Gen 6-7? Mewtwo was a requirement in Gen 1, Mega Ray isn’t in Gen 6-7.
@@mysterysecret6815 Lmao, read the comments bro. Matches were decided depending upon who's Mega Ray was healthy. It over-centralized a metagame even when monstrous threats and immediate checks existed compared to Mewtwo in Gen 1 being the only Uber. It's not the same as compensating for inflation. Mewtwo was busted, yes, Mega Ray was in a completely different dimension by comparison.
Funny because I never played him in that meta where he was banned or about to be banned but all I know is those stats plus extreme speed 🤣
So what I'm getting is
Mega-Rayquazussy got everyone acting unwise
Don't know how to put this to sound more witty but I find the comparison between Mega Rayquaza and pre-errata Chaos Emperor Dragon from Yu-Gi-Oh pretty amusing, one dragon got banned from its games 'banlist' while the other one literally created theirs games one.
In all honesty the first time I saw Mega Ray labeled AG on showdown I just assumed it meant A God
anything goes literally means anything goes : mega ray , evasion strats , no sleep clause, more than one species of pokemon ,ohko moves . basically anything
Because he could hold an item while mega evolving. He could mega evolve without a mega stone. He didn't need it. He only needed to learn the move dragon ascent or something. So he could hold life orb or literally anything while other mega pokemon couldn't. That's the only reason
That alongside the fact that it’s ability took away its rock weakness, let it resist electric and halved its quad weakness from ice combined with the weather negate just made it feel all the more threatening.
And somehow they GF was able to create something as strong as Mega Ray
Zacian in AG: "Nice place you got here!"
meanwhile, funbro, tera electric shedinja & revive cats: "Mega who...?"
And thus came forth the sword-wielding wolf.
However, he wasn’t alone, at least he’s glad to have 3 mons who accompany himself and themselves.
The God himself
Sword Doggo
Ghost Horse with Balloon-like smol human sitting on it
i will never understand how they looked at this Pokemon and thought "This is okay"
Regular Rayquaza was already OP to begin with, so to give it a Mega with no necessity for a Mega Stone so it could run any object made it insanely OP. What was GF even thinking with that?
i guess the target audience is still mainly kids and if i was a 10yo boy, i couldnt imagine the hype when getting that super juiced up mega ray that simply cleaves through everything so i don't blame gamefreak 🤷 if they really cared about competitive balancing they wouldnt make stuff like toxapex that just gets everything it could want imo
Rayquaza(base form) wasn't OP in gen 6. It lost to fairy types
@Blue Cube Gaming
Rayquaza had its ass comfortably in Ubers ever since it was introduced and Fairies did little to change that. How about giving a new form to a Pokémon like Regigigas or at least making Slow Start less terrible to go with the times?
@@rainpooper7088 at least now m rayquaza no longer the strongest mons. It get beaten by sword fairy dog in AG. As for slow start i think GF already consider it in game lore and asked about it: use it in double with wheezing nuff said.