We've been telling you for years, but you called us phobic and heinous. Puberty blockers are not a harmless pause, but very powerful drugs with unknown long-term effects.
Sorry but that isn't what the report says, It says there was no evidence it improved the quality of life of the patient when taking them, She also said there was no evidence of potential harms , So what your saying is not factually true because there is no studies that show puberty do cause harm, that what it says in the report, she dismissed 50 studies showing it did help with quality of life, But they are doing a study now , so some children who partake in that study and will get puberty blockers.
@@AnnaLee-d4tif it does no good then what’s the point in it all because kids are getting confused by the bs and now that a report is out and your experiments are getting shut down you can’t keep drugging and mutilating kids.
@@AnnaLee-d4t apologies not accepted…. 😂 GnHR ( gonadotropin releasing hormone analogues) are not “blockers”, they are castration agents……. Irreversible harm. It’s shocking you think you can calls things “factually inacurate”…. We have been telling them for years, Claire! All my support to you x Gay kids aren’t sick. Lesbians exist. Men can wear dresses and bad wigs….. but no child was ever or will ever be born in the wrong body.
So true. Gender dysphoria isn't an ideology. The diagnosis and treatment aren't ideologies. They're part of an *extremely effective* evidence-based treatment protocol that's been under development for 70 years. 2% regret PROVES the vast majority are being helped.
@@r-plattThat’s NOT how evidence works. I fondly recall when the uneducated in various subjects didn’t feign expertise by tossing about online anecdotes.
Dr Aidan Kelly, in my view, needs to be monitored very very closely. He is at the coal face and very likely to cross a line. Who is going to stop him or his colleagues if they make a decision that is harmful to the child?
It was the clinicians that wanted to continue with lobotomies and public pressure that ended them. I sick of people putting all their faith in the so called professionals and dismissing public concern.
@@davidg7643 They were so concerned they created a new kind of lobotomy called electroconvulsive therapy which is still being used today. Still damages the brain, but it's not as obvious.
The WPATH Files and The Cass Report: I hope these help to bring an end to this insanity. Everyone that was complicit in this, celebrities, politicians, teachers, the media, etc, needs to be held to account.
@@JackFury Nonsense. Most of these 'captured' medical organisations cite WPATH as the source of their truth. This is a well funded cult, not a grass roots movement.
@@JackFury Discredited?...unlike the completely skewed rubbish from the other side conducted by biased researchers with tiny, hand picked, samples? The Cass Report has blown such a hole in gender ideology that even Wes Streeton (ex Stonewall, now shadow health minster) can't ignore it. Even Baroness Hunt (ex head of Stonewall) has accepted that mistakes have been made. By calling the Cass Report, 'discredited', frankly you make yourself appear ignorant beyond belief.
@@Smudgyglasses researchers, medical experts, professors, journalists. Pick one. None of you have read any of it. You know you haven't so why are you so confident
To be fair everything you listed includes life altering chemicals (or near permanent body modification in case of tattoos). And we know those substances to be dangerous regardless of age. The case of gender affirming care is the opposite. It improves quality of life in adults and it can improve quality of life in many adolescent patients.
And it starts in schools. The schools nudge the students in that direction. I asked my sons school to show me the 'personal development material that they are teaching him. They sent me a link to the youtube playlist by AMAZE. It is shocking but explains the explosion of transgender children. It's basically grooming.
The private clinic is the same people who were treating the children in the NHS clinics responsible for this scandal!!!!!! Are they really the right people to be running a clinic licensed to treat children.
Listening to this Dr. I would say that nothing has really changed and they will continue to promote the cult. Total denial. These are crimes against children and should be seen as such.
The child saying that they were going through puberty and was distressed and had no one to talk to.....why didnt the mother talk to her biological daughter and help her understand puberty and her body's changes? What happened to parenting?
Social media has captured sheepish people on a global scale. It's incredible anyone is still trying to push this. I think a lot of it is doubling down on a bad idea because they probably can't cope with their part in the mutilation of their child.
@@anarquistador2099 You cannot assume your usual nonsense is going to work on people the more this cult is exposed, the cass report release has been momentous in marking the first step to returning to some semblance of sanity. Two years I have been researching this mess, reading paper after paper, listening to both sides, crying myself listening to people who have undergone irreversible procedures and pharmaceutical measures that they can never go back from. You are screaming into the mist my friend. We do not hear you.
@@anarquistador2099 her biological daughter is still her biological daughter - and will be forevermore. Regardless of how many falsehoods she's been told, her moronic mother should have cared enough to find counselling for her distressed daughter if she wasn't capable of parenting through this phase. Instead she sat and waited like a blob because she's delegating authority to incompetent strangers 🙄
Of all the terrible things that have happened throughout history im actually embarrassed in the current day and age with the amount of technology and information we have that we took all of this and just became ignorant. I can argue or understand just about any general topic in good faith. This is pretty much the only singular specific topic where I will judge a person's character and intelligence immediately based in their views on this
Only the most drastic of gender affirming care is permanent. Puberty blockers and hormone treatments are reversible, social transitioning is obviously reversible, it's literally just a hair cut and change of codes, vocal chord surgeries aren't really useful for kids whose voices are changing regardless. You're more likely to regret a tattoo than gender affirming care, and that's a statistical fact.
@@vixenfire Adults are next for elimination in care. Legislators in the US are speaking in tongues in state houses so we are going to get a current Biblical interpretation of what society should be like in our laws. I don't think Biblical eunuchs will however be allowed to enter.
The child-modification industry is pivoting towards a private healthcare model, where they will be able to monetize the trauma of children with less public scrutiny. Lots of money to be made in this growing industry preying on vulnerable people.
Oh, thank goodness there's a way for some to get around this nightmare. This horrible "report" has kicked the trans genocide to the next level. The only thing keeping us alive is Israel being top story.
True. For every child sent down this pathway they are worth one million dollars. Medicalising children for LIFE is big business, however, it's the children who will ultimately pay with their mental and physical health.
@@lorna5193 because birth control pills for 0.6% of the population is big business... 98% of trans children become trans adults who medically require HRT. Forcing trans children down the wrong puberty requires MORE medicine and MORE surgery.
@@Jenny-nz8fb Other than 103 studies and 27 years of empirical evidence you are absolutely correct. Trans kids exist. Stop pretending forcing them through normal puberty does no harm.
The child needs a therapist for their mental health, not hormones. If she still suffer from gender dysphoria at 18, she can transition in a couple of years.
@@Borella309 We? GnRHa are used in numerous medical treatments FAR more profitable than a tiny handful of trans children. NOT using puberty blockers results in MORE surgeries and MORE dependence on drugs like antidepressants and anti-anxiety meds.
@r-platt puberty is an important part of development. a natural bodily process occurring is not 'forcing' anything. also why are some drugs good to you, but it seems you're implying use of more antidepressants and anxiety meds is bad?
This girl says that speaking to someone wouldve helped but what she means is someone who wouldve affirmed her. They have an expectation of what they want from medical professionals and if they dont get it from one they move on to look for one that will give them what they want. Her and her mother likely wouldve not accepted help or advice from a doctor who said "Im not sure you are trans, I think maybe your autism/body dysmorphia/past trauma/whatever else is the cause of your distress. Lets explore that." They probably wouldve called them 'transphobic' or reported them for being 'non affirming.'
This is a huge issue I saw in my brief time working in CAMHS, particularly in girls with ASD. So many had their anxiety around puberty combined with their ASD interpreted by their parents as body dysmorphia and then nothing else mattered
Poor kids have no idea that it's only cosmetic and that by messing with their body chemistry, they preventing it from growing and being stable as they age. Leads to horrible health problems, brittle bones and a broken body and mind.
@@THB192...other than the 4 year independent review conducted by one of the countries top paediatric clinicians that jusy so happened to readh similar conclusions as Finland and Sweden, two progressive countries wirh top social health services?
@@THB192 Yeah. Over hear in reality trans is just an identity, a mask if you will. Trans man is just a woman impersonating a man. That's just as real as it gets.
Gender Dysphoria (Gender Incongruence) isn't a mental health disorder anymore. And also, why are you comparing it to anorexia? that's not a good comparison to be made.
I don’t feel sorry for the children but the parents some of them don’t even understand the whole process. I’m gay myself from a Muslim background and I never came out I’m still in the closet. I’m in the closet because I love my mum and I don’t want her to go insane she is deeply religious and I know how she feels about homosexuality she will probably loose friends things will never be the same for her I would rather stay in the closet so my mum can have a functioning life rather then going insane and when I tell you I’m happy I really mean it because I’m ready to sacrifice for the person I love. We don’t let children buy cigarettes alcohol how can we allow them to decide about their gender at such young age.
I'm really sorry you have to hide who you love - I'm sure I already know the answer but....would it have solved your problems if your parents were told you were a girl? Trapped in a male body? Have your genitals removed and pretended to be a straight female? Because I've heard that is exactly what is happening in strictly religious countries - the ultimate homophobic conversion therapy 😭
All this talk of losing the "expertise" of those with years working with trans children misses the fact that these distressed children need clinicians who will first see them as individual human beings, not trans avatars born in the wrong body. A bunch of idealogues working in medicine became SO CERTAIN of one insufficiently-tested protocol which centered around an insufficiently defined or evidenced concept, gender, and another suspect theory coming out of Psychology (which has a long history of pathologizing natural human variation), so that they were unable to recognize an entirely new cohort of mentally distressed children, which differ from the earlier group in very important and varied ways.
There's a great deal of expertise and evidence. Cass decided only very specific studies qualified. People might have been fleeing Tavistock because they had thousands of patients but only the capacity for a few dozen. It's amazing how Cass can say there's not enough evidence to support use of puberty blockers yet concludes it's harmful. And their reasons have _nothing_ to do with effectiveness or safety.
@@r-plattshe hadn’t concluded them harmful. She’s concluded that they are untested and the evidence to say they are helpful is not solid nor sufficient to prove the case.
@@ApacheMagic Actually puberty blockers ARE tested and safe for children. Her issue is the tests were for a different condition. (14.6) That's like saying Tylenol is unsafe for an aching broken arm because it wasn't tested for that condition.
Simultaneously completely normal, something to be celebrated…. ….. and…. …. Somthing which requires medical intervention and treatment. Gay kids aren’t sick. Lesbians exist
Spot on! It’s OK to be gay or lesbian. Trans activists/influencers must stop trying to convince gay kids there’s something wrong with them! It’s fine to be gay or lesbian. Kids are perfect the way they are.
So you want them to stay in the closet... where it's cold, dark, lonely, and terrifying. You want to keep them in a place where joy and hope die. And that's good?
@@Jenny-nz8fb What terrible harms? Learn what children ACTUALLY experience. My motives are simple: NO CHILD SHOULD EXPERIENCE THE TERROR, HURT AND DAMAGE I DID. I lived the life you would have for these children and it severely crippled me.
@@r-plattWhat harms? You clearly have not read the report. Take a look at the cass report before sperging out and typing in all cap, it makes you look unstable.
I'm gay and just want to remind everyone that there is NO SUCH THING as a gay or trans child. Though statistically rare, there will be some children who MAY grow up to be gay or trans but acting on either should only be done as an adult. I know some people will say "I knew when I was a child" but "knowing" doesn't mean "doing" - kids don't need a "sexual orientation" and they certainly don't need to be medicalized to "affirm" something they feel.
And all the gender confused kids that will not be delivered to these appalling activists. Many will be saved from terrible life changing experiments, and left to simply grow out of their confused phase as we know the vast majority do.
But if it was wrong treatment, wrong schooling, wrong parental advice, wrongful use for far reaching celebrity platforms or influencers. Then that should carry with it damages. Some detransitioners have had their lives ruined by this. I mean no more sexual pleasure, urinary tract infections, constant pain, impossible to very difficult to now find a life partner in light of the above and potential infertility, or now only very expensive methods to now have their own children. Theres been a lot of bad advice and damage done, its been irresponsible and it should carry with it damages. If theres no punative fines to pay. Then theres no deterent of it ever happening again. So yeah I think people sewing this bad advice should never be allowed to work in healthcare in any capacity, because they really were not working in the best interests of their patients.
If this young girl was confused and distressed about her body changing, why didn’t her mother help her more? She’s been through it herself! When did parents stop parenting & allow the state or social media to have so much influence on their children? Time for adults to stop pandering to distressed children! They will never become functioning adults without boundaries & proper support 😮
What about this mother verbally nudging her daughter in the interview saying essentially "Don't forget to mention your "mental health" issues". Have now seen far too many interviews where its the confused teen and MOTHER talking about this.
It's not confusion. It's knowing who you are in person is radically different from how you look. *The conflict* between self perception and obvious biology is what causes gender dysphoria. Either we rewire the brain to change their personality (impossible) or we reshape their body to reflect their person. Parents are listening to their children. _Children_ are the ones saying *SOMETHING IS WRONG.* You need to listen to the children, not the people politicians parade in front of you.
@@sarahharris2729 they're often told to shut up (if they're around at all). In the USA, a father was sued to not wanting to affirm his child's chosen gender, I think the kid was very young, like 5 or something. Father said no, and the mother took him to court and he was forced to shut-up and just affirm it. Look it up and you'll see.
the reality is everyone thinks they would speak up but this shows you that isn't true in reality, we can all be brave when anonymous on RUclips but when you are the only person in a workplace where dissent is career suicide the more likely outcome is you would be just as cowardly, let's not pretend you wouldn't, these are not evil people they were either wrapped up in an ideology or they were scared
@gruunt4064 nah mate, I've been against this from the start and I've used my social media profiles with my full name and ugly face in full view 😂 I've got bills to pat too. When it comes to things like this I'll argue with the entire world if I believe its right. We're talking about innocent children.
@NemeczeK101 please don't broad brushes the west. I'm in America and I've been speaking out for decades. 5th column, but it's finally being exposed and crumbling. Too slow in my opinion. There are many like me and a child is a blessing, God won't let these parents off the hook, nothing goes unseen.
@@anissah161 You said it yourself, too slow, and in my opinion, the west should have never let this happen in the first place to children. It's sick and disturbing.
It's not an ideology. People with ASD are actually more prone to needing treatment for this sort of thing. Protesting medical treatment for an already vulnerable child isn't protecting anyone.
The Cass review was so needed, i absolutely hope that we can get on top of this social contagion. The medical experiments on kids have shown what they are and what they do, we need to get this back in check
The Cass Review was the first big step in standing up to ideological activists. This is important because it also gives laypeople something to point to when questioning ideology without having to feel like a bigot. And that is essentially the crux of the issue-people scared they’ll be called a bigot if they say that this doesn’t sound right to them.
This child is a very good example of the type of child who needs mental health therapy and time not drugs and surgery. The mother is clearly desperate to help his child and has bought into the idea of trans medicine because she wants to believe there’s a simple and sure cure for this.
That is not true. It just adds to the fears around this and is profoundly unhelpful. Increasing access to appropriate mental health support is the heart of the issue. Access to someone who can compassionately talk, support and help is what is needed.
@@darrentaylor1414 here we go. If I point you to a study showing trans kids who do t receive healthcare are a greater risk of suicide will you accept it
💯 we're going to see a lot of this. Those that yelled bigot and ran with an ideology instead of checking the facts. C4 and too many at the BBC are primary offenders. To talk of toxic debate is ridiculous
Not being A isn’t B. It’s lack of A … being atypical M or F is a huge part of what needs to be accepted by young people. So much social pressure to be typically M or F, … so many perfect ultra feminine girls and super cut boys and “alpha men” on social media…. this is all acted out in the school social arena where kids are brutal and unkind to those who “aren’t conforming to typical social standards”…. autistic kids are especially sensitive to social non conformity anxiety, this is contributing to children especially ASD kids believing bec they aren’t gender typical they must be the opposite gender when all it is is atypical presentations of their actual gender. It’s also a social conformity game and an adopted self assigned disability with protections for those in the “unique category” affording them legal protection under the wing of extreme activism. It’s a mental Health issue with its roots in trauma responses to be being often neurodiverse and / or the victim of childhood trauma.
@@mariannehavisham8323I hope not because if they carry on on this path there’ll be a complete genocide of all gay people! These people require dignity and proper support through the correct holistic medical pathways created and executed in the same way all medical pathways are enacted according to the Hippocratic oath, before any kind of pharmaceutical or surgical intervention when and only when they’re able to fully consent as adults.
@@mariannehavisham8323 Exactly. 10 or 15 years down the line these "transphobes" will realise the damage they caused years ago by trying to restrict healthcare.
If gender is purely a social construct, why do biological differences influence its expression, and why isn't it a matter of personal choice? Conversely, if gender is purely biological, why do cultural norms and expectations shape, if not determine, its identity? If gender cannot be precisely defined or described, why is it problematic to consider that a child asked/expected to reflect on their gender might struggle to understand what it is their truly reflecting on or identifying with? Why can’t people understand this criticism it’s like…. People really can’t handle contradictions in their beliefs my god. 🙃
From the website of Dr Aidan Kelly and his private clinic, their team consists mostly of clinical psychologist, and only one psychiatrist. There is no paediatrician ,endocrinologist or surgeon to safeguard the children's physical health. Who will be responsible for explaining and follow up the side effects of the medications or surgery?
No child should be given puberty blockers, they should be counselled and make decisions on their bodies when they are old enough to make informed decide as adults.
@@WilliamAhlert your delusional, this is a mental issue, due to changes in our society.... confusion is created and issues evolve, the numbers stated in the report prove it.... concentrate on cancer research, dementia, prevention etc and get these kids parents help
@@WilliamAhlertI know a girl who used to think she was a dog could you imagine her life if it was encouraged. You can't change your gender it's only cosmetic. Your body is defined by your DNA anything else is just cosmetic or a belief, like a religion.
@@davebull9600 It hasn't been a mental issue since 2018. It was classified as a mental health condition before that. But that was changed. Why are you either living in the past or spreading misinformation?
Does Channel 4 want to take any responsibility for the damage caused to young children by this quack 'science', as the channel has often acted as a propaganda outlet for trans activism, and has often enabled and contributed to the smearing of those critical as 'transphobic'. Do you feel any guilt at all?
So we need to stop treating central precocious puberty. That's puberty blockers in use since 1980. And we need to stop giving TEEN girls breast augmentation / reduction and rhinoplasty (nose surgery) and TEEN boys mastectomies. Those surgeries _literally_ occur about 100,000 times more often than trans surgeries. And all they require is 1 parent to agree. And we need to stop giving girls birth control pills until they're 18. Gee... there is so much medicine we need to unwind to meet your goals.
there has been a less than 2% regret rate on transition, whats your issue exactly? do tell me did you ever talk to a trans person or try to understand them?
I am in America. I was given a thorough medical exam, x-rays, and was given a laundry list of potential complications and solutions for simply having a pair of impacted wisdom teeth pulled. The dentist did not simply take my word for it. The fact that a child can walk into a doctor’s office and get life altering drugs just because they say they feel they are the opposite gender baffles me.
fr if that was the case when i was a tomboy as a preteen that cared more about playing video games instead of shopping and dating boys in highschool i wouldve already been on T and everything. Im gonna assume this is the new generation version of getting kids hooked on ritalin. only people benefiting from polluting the population with this gender garbage is big pharma.
Except it doesn't work that way. In countries that do provide gender affirming care, there are multiple visits to multiple care providers (general practitioner, therapist, child psychologist and social worker before it's determined medical is prescribed. In my country it takes years to get top surgery and double digit appointments to get your first prescription. No below the belt surgeries are performed on children. NOWHERE are children being prescribed drugs and having their genatalia altered because they said one time - "I don't want to be a boy".
@@birdamatic2691 When therapists, child psychologists, and social workers all take the stance to affirm the child, it is all based in the child’s words. Lots of nurses and doctors have come forward and stated to even question the situation would result in lost jobs.
@@Behinddarkness86 you are right, it's based on the child's words. But those words are not just "I'm sad", "I don't want to be x gender", "I think I'm trans". There are clinical responses that are looked for and consistent, persistent and insistent behaviors that demonstrate the child isn't "just going through a phase". It's a collective of all the responses and all the results from a group of medical practitioners. Anyone that thinks it's a single visit to a Dr and you walk out with puberty blockers, hormones and a surgery date is uninformed on this matter.
Ah, no. Surgeries weren't performed. 2.20 "... 98% proceeded to masculinising or feminising hormones" That points to a very successful process for diagnosing children.
@@AlexandrawOfficial_Lexi Removing genitals is extreme. That's why it's only done to save the life of the child. We don't get to decide what qualifies as life threatening as that's decided on a case-by-case basis.
@@vixenfireok, so "most people are successful"..and i take it that you mean transition and not "translation". Respectfully, you can't actually make that claim in good faith. Where are you plucking "most people" from, where are getting your figures? And "successful" means what?
@@JackFury incorrect, read my post with your eyes and then use your brain again. I'm talking about misdiagnosis and negligence from trusted healthcare providers.
@@TrueLife-o2jless than 1% regret their transition. So again do you not care about the more than 99% that live better lives due to trans healthcare. Answer the question this time
When I recently got a puppy, my vet said that the latest research said that early spaying and neutering causes problems with bones and joints. Now I'm wondering if people are so different.
As a kid you'd hear about people that hated their skin colour and would try to bleach themselves. I didn't see much difference between that and gender affirming care. It's crazy that it's encouraged now.
The one thing all these children have in common is that one unquestionable thought in their head that goes like ‘oh so what if there are people who regret it? I’m one of the _real_ trans people, I’ll always be this way, I need this’ And then they’re wrong, but by the point they realize so they’ve been dragged too deep and there’s no going back.
Poor Dr Cass has been advised not to take public transportation because of this. Transgender activists are nuts..but then I think we all knew that already anyway.
as a foreigner I am very surprise to see the U.K. health care system in such shambles . It looks third world . This is sad for a country of first world status . I hope the issues get fix soon.
Sad he is obsessed with this. Thinks it’s going to ‘ fix everything’. Waste of his childhood. He is lucky he didn’t get in. Needs distraction and something else to focus on.
No person under the age of 18 should have ANY medical intervention to transition. It is child abuse. When these kids turn 18, then they can choose for themselves.
@@ijansk Whereas failing to take hormones ends in insanity or being unalive. Of course cis women have been taking hormones ("the pill") for a long time. The side effects are very well known. But don't let the facts stop you.
@@725k9 its possibly, many have done it and the regret rate is lower than 2%, it makes people happy. now whats your argument against it? why do you want people that suffer to be miserable?
I think this issue could have been far less controversial if we'd heard from more informed, sensible and reasonable voices like Dr Bell's in recent years instead of the 'lived experience' of patients and the ideological posturing of trans activists.
Sorry, I'm confused as to why you don't want to hear about the transgender issue from transgender people? To me the most sensible way to learn about a group is to speak to people from that group.
@@jtownblues7237 the patients’ experience is for the medical professionals to hear and deal with as far as I’m concerned; I’m more interested in hearing the views of the experts who can share data, their professional insights and provide an overall picture of the issue and its implications.
@@stewartyboy Yes but surely there are transgender researchers and doctors? I would trust them over doctors who are not transgender for the same reason I would trust a female doctor over a male one to speak on women's health.
@@jtownblues7237 Would that be a female doctor as in adult human female or a female doctor who used to be male but had mental heath issues and now presents as female?
@@errin-mp1zy Sorry I don't understand your question, a female doctor as in a doctor who is a woman (therefore obviously an adult and a human). Ideally I would try to find someone who has experienced what they are explaining, eg; if I wanted to learn about menopause I'd look to a doctor who had experienced menopause.
Because your facts are meaningless. You want to diagnose a MENTAL problem by looking at biology. That's like diagnosing your car's engine trouble by looking at your dashboard. When feelings cripple a person, they matter a great deal. Since we cannot rewire a person's brain that leaves altering the body. And the regret rate for such treatment is only 2%. That's extremely low.
So it needs appropriate medical treatment. Not politically driven scaremongering and scapegoating. Just science please. Of the 2.7 percent that regret transition, the vast majority say its because of social and familial rejection and not due to them making a mistake about their brains gender.
Well they have been let down gently... compared to all the people that have actual medical problems and life threatening conditions, who get appointments and treatments cancelled last minute.
It has become toxic issue because people have now seen what garbage has happened in the country. They are children - stop harming them by thinking affirming a delliousion is a treatment
No, they have always existed. There was a trans person in my father's company in World war 2. He served honorably, simply followed the rules and regulations set for everyone
Found it from NIH - Mothers of boys with gender identity disorder: a comparison of matched controls. Quote: “Fifty-three percent of the mothers of boys with GID compared with only 6% of controls met the diagnosis for Borderline Personality Disorder on the Diagnostic Interview for Borderlines or had symptoms of depression on the Beck Depression Inventory.”
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@@vixenfire I had a claim and I presented the proof. Your turn.
14 is too young to make a decision. There is plenty of time. No treatment should be given until they are 21. They are called teenagers, not adults, for a reason.
In contrast, Dr David Bell presents a more thoughtful response eg the role of the unchecked 'affirmation' as a Human Rights directive absent of any clinical consideration - children self diagnosing and Doctors handing out hormone blockers like sweets or candy.
Bell took issue with Tavistock "fast tracking" some children. They weren't following the rules and that WAS a problem. Nothing Bell said changes the effectiveness or safety of puberty blockers. Meanwhile EVERYONE agrees these children (even those that desist) need of help. But England is going _backward_ in care.
Any and all forms of 'treatment' should be completely off the table for anyone under the age of 18. The fact its even being considered is totally absurd. We all know how impressionable kids can be. Thinking theyre in a position to be making such serious decisions, which many will grow to regret, is beyond crazy. Any parent who thinks its a good idea to let their teenager get involved in any of this should he ashamed of themselves.
@@vixenfire I never claimed I was. I have no problem with adults transitioning, if that's what they feel like they need to do then go ahead. The idea that we would mess with the development and health of children who's brains aren't even fully developed is another level of ridiculous. Children can barely keep their own ideas consistent, there is no way they can be trusted to make a serious decision like changing their gender during puberty. Most of these kids will grow out of it, they're mostly influenced by what they're seeing online and they're desperate to try and carve out their own identity. If they don't grow out of it by the time they're 18 and they believe transitioning is for them then go ahead, but not a moment before. The fact that you would push for such serious options to be open to children says a great deal about your own ignorance.
@@cyberneticcultureresearchu426 That's about the measured and intellectual response I would expect from people like you. I'd laugh if it weren't so embarrassing and yet I'm the one who needs to grow up? Amazing.
@@vixenfire People are here attempting to have a conversation about a serious issue. You're here making a mockery of it. Yet you wonder why people at large don't respect you or the things you stand for. Perhaps you shouldn't interject when the adults are talking.
I wish people in the comments would actually think about the thousands of children awaiting even an initial appointment to discuss their gender identity issues, rather than go off on one about what clinicians (not any of you or I as amateurs) think about prescribing medication. Also, could people 1) acknowledge gender critical feminism ISN'T an academically recognised discipline. It is ONE of the ideologies that Dr Cass meant when she said 'all sides' and 2) STOP mentioning surgery - it wasn't mentioned once in the CASS Review nor in the video. Your sensationalising through fictionalised comments about trans children's care is despicable. The only thing that is important and without a doubt is the government has failed these children for years by not providing enough clinicians, clinics and appointments so they don't have to wait until they are adults to receive care due to them from point of need. End of.
Are you aware that it was the clinicians that wanted to continue lobotomies? And it was the public (so called amateurs) that eventually put a stop to it?? We are all people with opinions and nobody needs to be cancelled from their viewpoint
Alarmed to see a mental health professional refer to being trans as a 'problem' and a 'disturbance' I know many healthy happy trans adults post transition. Their identity isn't a 'problem' and they are not 'disturbed', they are living fulfilling lives
What do you mean by this? People are allowed to transition and still will be, just other providers will take over, cry about it darling 😂. We are here to stay!
@lilianm170 cry about gay conversion therapy? You lot are special kind of weird. Don't like gay people so just turn them into women is that the idea? Sick
@lilianm170 so even though there is absolutely no evidence that mutilating children helps with these issues your quite happy to push that as a policy? Yeah this is why people don't listen to nutty activists like you, you don't care about truth, science or children and we don't care about you
*T H I S W A S A L W A Y S C O M M O N S E N S E !!!* PS. All the people/"health care professionals"/well-meaning monsters who pushed this on *CHILDREN* be damned!
What is the difference between what is happening in the Tavistock NHS gender clinic and what the Angel of Death did? Because the line is starting to get very blurred for me.
@@johnpixieYou call it 'helping', I call it mutilation. Also, no, most times it did not lead to death but prolonged suffering, which many trans children end up going through.
The five+ year wait list is intentional. The NHS is hoping that by removing access to care, many of these trans kids will be forced to endure puberty while they wait. The pubery-blocker debate becomes a non-issue, bc puberty will have already been allowed to take place. The kids are forced to suffer dysphoria longer, and then have to go through expensive surgeries once they're adults. But hey, we wouldn't want to "groom" them into thinking they should be allowed to express themselves. Best they learn young that the world is a horrible place.
Allowing time to pass is the right course for the vast majority of kids suffering gender dysphoria as we know that the vast majority do indeed simply grow out of it. As it becomes less and less of a social contagion, even more children's lives will be protected. As fewer and fewer people espouse evil views like yours, we can move forward and commence prosecutions of those who were complicit in this scandal...
@@reggrunow1460 2% regret. If you want that lower, stop shaming gay people and teach children DEI. >90% of those that desist end up being gay. They transition so they appear to be hetero. I'm glad you approve of puberty blockers. However the Cass report debunks the "social contagion" myth. That myth was started by a journalist, not a doctor.
As Judy mentioned, the story around John Money is a disturbingly eye-opening start. It was allowed to get this far due to mainstream media promoting the ideology, and running smears and character assassinations on anyone trying to draw attention to its darker side. It's worth looking a little deeper into anything that corporate media claims to be supported by the far right, or is a "far right conspiracy theory" - that's where the 'bodies are buried'.
But Puberty causes irreversible damage for these individuals who wish to transition. You're calling on 0.3% of the population to commit sui cide all because you have an agenda to stop the process?
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We've been telling you for years, but you called us phobic and heinous. Puberty blockers are not a harmless pause, but very powerful drugs with unknown long-term effects.
Sorry but that isn't what the report says, It says there was no evidence it improved the quality of life of the patient when taking them, She also said there was no evidence of potential harms , So what your saying is not factually true because there is no studies that show puberty do cause harm, that what it says in the report, she dismissed 50 studies showing it did help with quality of life, But they are doing a study now , so some children who partake in that study and will get puberty blockers.
@@AnnaLee-d4t here we go again 😂🤦🏻♀️
@@AnnaLee-d4t they dismissed the studies because they aren't double blind and are trash studies
@@AnnaLee-d4tif it does no good then what’s the point in it all because kids are getting confused by the bs and now that a report is out and your experiments are getting shut down you can’t keep drugging and mutilating kids.
@@AnnaLee-d4t apologies not accepted…. 😂
GnHR ( gonadotropin releasing hormone analogues) are not “blockers”, they are castration agents……. Irreversible harm.
It’s shocking you think you can calls things “factually inacurate”….
We have been telling them for years, Claire! All my support to you x
Gay kids aren’t sick. Lesbians exist. Men can wear dresses and bad wigs….. but no child was ever or will ever be born in the wrong body.
Not ideology on all side. Completely untrue. One side wanted discussion , research etc. the other threatened their jobs.
100%
How do you double blind hormones?
So true. Gender dysphoria isn't an ideology. The diagnosis and treatment aren't ideologies. They're part of an *extremely effective* evidence-based treatment protocol that's been under development for 70 years.
2% regret PROVES the vast majority are being helped.
@@AarenbyClearly you’re not a physician or scientist. Research the Scientific Method. You should have learned about it in grade school.
@@r-plattThat’s NOT how evidence works. I fondly recall when the uneducated in various subjects didn’t feign expertise by tossing about online anecdotes.
Dr Aidan Kelly, in my view, needs to be monitored very very closely. He is at the coal face and very likely to cross a line. Who is going to stop him or his colleagues if they make a decision that is harmful to the child?
It was the clinicians that wanted to continue with lobotomies and public pressure that ended them. I sick of people putting all their faith in the so called professionals and dismissing public concern.
Psychiatrists had concerns about lobotomy since the 40s.
Next time you need cancer treatment, don’t see an oncologist expert - go to google and find yourself a healer. No? 🤔
@@davidg7643 They were so concerned they created a new kind of lobotomy called electroconvulsive therapy which is still being used today. Still damages the brain, but it's not as obvious.
@@davidg7643 There are always people with integrity in professions but the methods of coercion are increasingly vicious.
@@Happydrumstick93 i know people who have really benefitted from it
The WPATH Files and The Cass Report: I hope these help to bring an end to this insanity. Everyone that was complicit in this, celebrities, politicians, teachers, the media, etc, needs to be held to account.
Both this you have cited are highly discredited.
Those "complicit" in it include every major medical organisation in the world. The entire world
@@JackFury Nonsense. Most of these 'captured' medical organisations cite WPATH as the source of their truth. This is a well funded cult, not a grass roots movement.
@@JackFury Discredited?...unlike the completely skewed rubbish from the other side conducted by biased researchers with tiny, hand picked, samples? The Cass Report has blown such a hole in gender ideology that even Wes Streeton (ex Stonewall, now shadow health minster) can't ignore it. Even Baroness Hunt (ex head of Stonewall) has accepted that mistakes have been made. By calling the Cass Report, 'discredited', frankly you make yourself appear ignorant beyond belief.
Discredited by who?
@@JackFury
@@Smudgyglasses researchers, medical experts, professors, journalists.
Pick one. None of you have read any of it. You know you haven't so why are you so confident
Can't drink, can't get a tattoo, can't join up, can't buy aerosol, but sure here's some life altering surgery/chemicals
Puberty Blockers are not life altering you mind controlled ill person.
Spot on
Truth.
To be fair everything you listed includes life altering chemicals (or near permanent body modification in case of tattoos). And we know those substances to be dangerous regardless of age. The case of gender affirming care is the opposite. It improves quality of life in adults and it can improve quality of life in many adolescent patients.
@@szefo617- maybe for a few, but clearly not for the majority. This sick cult is being stopped, and for good reason.
Help kids be comfortable with their own bodies and identities instead 😢
"Confused children being permanently disfigured due to a complicit health service"
Doesn't happen you are being mind controlled by demonic nazis.
Tell me you don't understand trans people without telling me
And it starts in schools. The schools nudge the students in that direction. I asked my sons school to show me the 'personal development material that they are teaching him. They sent me a link to the youtube playlist by AMAZE. It is shocking but explains the explosion of transgender children. It's basically grooming.
@@tauenjoyer305Maybe you should actually read the review.
@@FiredUpFeminist the Cass report you mean?
The private clinic is the same people who were treating the children in the NHS clinics responsible for this scandal!!!!!! Are they really the right people to be running a clinic licensed to treat children.
Of course they're not! He's continuing the grift til the very end, what a demon 🤑
Listening to this Dr. I would say that nothing has really changed and they will continue to promote the cult. Total denial. These are crimes against children and should be seen as such.
Scandal? You're having a laugh right? No one with a functioning brain says that and means it
The child saying that they were going through puberty and was distressed and had no one to talk to.....why didnt the mother talk to her biological daughter and help her understand puberty and her body's changes? What happened to parenting?
Because her "biological daughter" was actually her son, and what makes you think she didn't help HIM understand puberty?
Social media has captured sheepish people on a global scale. It's incredible anyone is still trying to push this. I think a lot of it is doubling down on a bad idea because they probably can't cope with their part in the mutilation of their child.
@@anarquistador2099 You cannot assume your usual nonsense is going to work on people the more this cult is exposed, the cass report release has been momentous in marking the first step to returning to some semblance of sanity. Two years I have been researching this mess, reading paper after paper, listening to both sides, crying myself listening to people who have undergone irreversible procedures and pharmaceutical measures that they can never go back from. You are screaming into the mist my friend. We do not hear you.
@@anarquistador2099 Coco pops
@@anarquistador2099 her biological daughter is still her biological daughter - and will be forevermore. Regardless of how many falsehoods she's been told, her moronic mother should have cared enough to find counselling for her distressed daughter if she wasn't capable of parenting through this phase. Instead she sat and waited like a blob because she's delegating authority to incompetent strangers 🙄
Dr Jekyll continuing the revenue stream. Disgusting.
Of all the terrible things that have happened throughout history im actually embarrassed in the current day and age with the amount of technology and information we have that we took all of this and just became ignorant. I can argue or understand just about any general topic in good faith. This is pretty much the only singular specific topic where I will judge a person's character and intelligence immediately based in their views on this
Argue or understand 😂
I can see why
Yep, everyone thinks they are doctors nowadays
Kids who are known for poor decision making skills now won't be able to make drastic changes that will affect them for the rest of their lives? Good.
Only the most drastic of gender affirming care is permanent. Puberty blockers and hormone treatments are reversible, social transitioning is obviously reversible, it's literally just a hair cut and change of codes, vocal chord surgeries aren't really useful for kids whose voices are changing regardless. You're more likely to regret a tattoo than gender affirming care, and that's a statistical fact.
@@vixenfire Adults are next for elimination in care. Legislators in the US are speaking in tongues in state houses so we are going to get a current Biblical interpretation of what society should be like in our laws. I don't think Biblical eunuchs will however be allowed to enter.
@@DorianPaige00 This is Nazi rhetoric
@@DorianPaige00Which legislator?
@@FiredUpFeminist Legislators in Arizona before the abortion fight a few days ago.
The child-modification industry is pivoting towards a private healthcare model, where they will be able to monetize the trauma of children with less public scrutiny. Lots of money to be made in this growing industry preying on vulnerable people.
Oh, thank goodness there's a way for some to get around this nightmare.
This horrible "report" has kicked the trans genocide to the next level.
The only thing keeping us alive is Israel being top story.
even in public its monetized. they still have to buy the medicine from pharma companies
True. For every child sent down this pathway they are worth one million dollars. Medicalising children for LIFE is big business, however, it's the children who will ultimately pay with their mental and physical health.
@@lorna5193 because birth control pills for 0.6% of the population is big business...
98% of trans children become trans adults who medically require HRT.
Forcing trans children down the wrong puberty requires MORE medicine and MORE surgery.
So you have evidence of this claim?
Less tiktok, less instagram, less propaganda, more actual mental care and help for young people.
And when mental healthcare isn't enough, let them go further to find the relief they absolutely need.
Not until they are adults capable of making the permanent irreversable decisions that will effect their bodies and render them infertile.
And better parenting! These children are not the only ones making these decisions.
@r-platt - there’s no evidence for this type of “healthcare”. Leave kids alone.
@@Jenny-nz8fb Other than 103 studies and 27 years of empirical evidence you are absolutely correct.
Trans kids exist. Stop pretending forcing them through normal puberty does no harm.
The child needs a therapist for their mental health, not hormones. If she still suffer from gender dysphoria at 18, she can transition in a couple of years.
@@frankiedsp I can give you some very good advice right now, you're a young vulnerable person so you need to stay clear of the comments section.
Because forcing a MAN to go through female puberty won't hurt, right? Just give him counseling and all will be good.
@@r-platt 🤣🤦♀
@@Borella309 We? GnRHa are used in numerous medical treatments FAR more profitable than a tiny handful of trans children.
NOT using puberty blockers results in MORE surgeries and MORE dependence on drugs like antidepressants and anti-anxiety meds.
@r-platt puberty is an important part of development. a natural bodily process occurring is not 'forcing' anything.
also why are some drugs good to you, but it seems you're implying use of more antidepressants and anxiety meds is bad?
This girl says that speaking to someone wouldve helped but what she means is someone who wouldve affirmed her. They have an expectation of what they want from medical professionals and if they dont get it from one they move on to look for one that will give them what they want.
Her and her mother likely wouldve not accepted help or advice from a doctor who said "Im not sure you are trans, I think maybe your autism/body dysmorphia/past trauma/whatever else is the cause of your distress. Lets explore that." They probably wouldve called them 'transphobic' or reported them for being 'non affirming.'
This is a huge issue I saw in my brief time working in CAMHS, particularly in girls with ASD. So many had their anxiety around puberty combined with their ASD interpreted by their parents as body dysmorphia and then nothing else mattered
Poor kids have no idea that it's only cosmetic and that by messing with their body chemistry, they preventing it from growing and being stable as they age. Leads to horrible health problems, brittle bones and a broken body and mind.
Cool opinion. However, over here in reality, absolutely nothing you just said is meaningfully substantiated by evidence.
@@THB192Ironic that you used the word “reality.” That’s what trans people preach against. 😂
@@THB192...other than the 4 year independent review conducted by one of the countries top paediatric clinicians that jusy so happened to readh similar conclusions as Finland and Sweden, two progressive countries wirh top social health services?
@@THB192 Yeah. Over hear in reality trans is just an identity, a mask if you will. Trans man is just a woman impersonating a man. That's just as real as it gets.
@@tommj5201 Which 4 year independent review said any of those things, exactly? Because if you're talking about the Cass review, heads up, it didn't.
12:30 . Thank you. We don’t affirm anorexia or any other mental health disorder.
Gender Dysphoria (Gender Incongruence) isn't a mental health disorder anymore. And also, why are you comparing it to anorexia? that's not a good comparison to be made.
Being trans isn't a disorder.
@@tserica gender dysphoria isn’t a disorder?
@@NecessaryDramaAddictionNDA no. And it's also not the same thing as being trans.
@@tsericareally? Do tell me more
I think that Channel 4's pathetic wokeness has prevented from them dealing with this properly.
All woke will fail sooner or later. People can't deal with obvious SICK.
They're not the only channel doing that! We're being brainwashed by TV / Media in general.
Ps, Channel 4, LEAVE THE KIDS ALONE.
I don’t feel sorry for the children but the parents some of them don’t even understand the whole process. I’m gay myself from a Muslim background and I never came out I’m still in the closet. I’m in the closet because I love my mum and I don’t want her to go insane she is deeply religious and I know how she feels about homosexuality she will probably loose friends things will never be the same for her I would rather stay in the closet so my mum can have a functioning life rather then going insane and when I tell you I’m happy I really mean it because I’m ready to sacrifice for the person I love. We don’t let children buy cigarettes alcohol how can we allow them to decide about their gender at such young age.
You sound like a very beautiful person. I hope one day you can openly be the person you really are.
I'm really sorry you have to hide who you love - I'm sure I already know the answer but....would it have solved your problems if your parents were told you were a girl? Trapped in a male body? Have your genitals removed and pretended to be a straight female?
Because I've heard that is exactly what is happening in strictly religious countries - the ultimate homophobic conversion therapy 😭
im sorry you have to life that way, and im even more sorry your mom cant love you for who you really are.
Because gender issues can make them hurt themselves. Not being able to buy alcohol or cigarettes doesn’t make them do that.
You are very intelligent, mature and brave.
Their being let down by not being told the truth.
Why is the entire medical world lying?
@@JackFuryNot the entire, but a lot are due to politics not due to objectivity.
@@muhammed_kadhimi Every. Single. Reputable. Medical. Organisation. In. The. World.
The only politics here is the right wing being bigots
They're
@@muhammed_kadhimi The cass review threw out decades of evidence because of politics.
INSANITY
All this talk of losing the "expertise" of those with years working with trans children misses the fact that these distressed children need clinicians who will first see them as individual human beings, not trans avatars born in the wrong body. A bunch of idealogues working in medicine became SO CERTAIN of one insufficiently-tested protocol which centered around an insufficiently defined or evidenced concept, gender, and another suspect theory coming out of Psychology (which has a long history of pathologizing natural human variation), so that they were unable to recognize an entirely new cohort of mentally distressed children, which differ from the earlier group in very important and varied ways.
There's a great deal of expertise and evidence. Cass decided only very specific studies qualified.
People might have been fleeing Tavistock because they had thousands of patients but only the capacity for a few dozen.
It's amazing how Cass can say there's not enough evidence to support use of puberty blockers yet concludes it's harmful. And their reasons have _nothing_ to do with effectiveness or safety.
@@r-plattshe hadn’t concluded them harmful. She’s concluded that they are untested and the evidence to say they are helpful is not solid nor sufficient to prove the case.
@@ApacheMagic Actually puberty blockers ARE tested and safe for children. Her issue is the tests were for a different condition. (14.6)
That's like saying Tylenol is unsafe for an aching broken arm because it wasn't tested for that condition.
“Birth registered” 🤦
Simultaneously completely normal, something to be celebrated….
….. and….
…. Somthing which requires medical intervention and treatment.
Gay kids aren’t sick. Lesbians exist
(Can’t remember who I’ve stolen that insightful commentary from) x
Spot on! It’s OK to be gay or lesbian. Trans activists/influencers must stop trying to convince gay kids there’s something wrong with them! It’s fine to be gay or lesbian. Kids are perfect the way they are.
Small step up from "assigned at birth" I guess.
@@tommj5201 nah, it is equally false and misleading for kids - just st00pi’d
An adult professional affirming a child's concern that they are 'born in the wrong body' is committing an act of evil.
So you want them to stay in the closet... where it's cold, dark, lonely, and terrifying. You want to keep them in a place where joy and hope die.
And that's good?
@r-platt you need to stop advocating terrible harms for children and pay attention to your own motives.
@@Jenny-nz8fb exactly, we shan't forget who the men are pushing this narrative.
@@Jenny-nz8fb What terrible harms?
Learn what children ACTUALLY experience.
My motives are simple:
NO CHILD SHOULD EXPERIENCE THE TERROR, HURT AND DAMAGE I DID.
I lived the life you would have for these children and it severely crippled me.
@@r-plattWhat harms? You clearly have not read the report.
Take a look at the cass report before sperging out and typing in all cap, it makes you look unstable.
Remember: children cannot consent.
I'm gay and just want to remind everyone that there is NO SUCH THING as a gay or trans child. Though statistically rare, there will be some children who MAY grow up to be gay or trans but acting on either should only be done as an adult. I know some people will say "I knew when I was a child" but "knowing" doesn't mean "doing" - kids don't need a "sexual orientation" and they certainly don't need to be medicalized to "affirm" something they feel.
You are clearly barking mad. Children have a developing sexuality through puberty and plenty are gay. Being gay has nothing to do with medicalisation.
Same here spot on 👍
Sad to reflect that the only winners in this are going to be the lawyers.
And all the gender confused kids that will not be delivered to these appalling activists. Many will be saved from terrible life changing experiments, and left to simply grow out of their confused phase as we know the vast majority do.
But if it was wrong treatment, wrong schooling, wrong parental advice, wrongful use for far reaching celebrity platforms or influencers. Then that should carry with it damages.
Some detransitioners have had their lives ruined by this. I mean no more sexual pleasure, urinary tract infections, constant pain, impossible to very difficult to now find a life partner in light of the above and potential infertility, or now only very expensive methods to now have their own children.
Theres been a lot of bad advice and damage done, its been irresponsible and it should carry with it damages.
If theres no punative fines to pay. Then theres no deterent of it ever happening again. So yeah I think people sewing this bad advice should never be allowed to work in healthcare in any capacity, because they really were not working in the best interests of their patients.
If this young girl was confused and distressed about her body changing, why didn’t her mother help her more? She’s been through it herself!
When did parents stop parenting & allow the state or social media to have so much influence on their children?
Time for adults to stop pandering to distressed children! They will never become functioning adults without boundaries & proper support 😮
What about this mother verbally nudging her daughter in the interview saying essentially "Don't forget to mention your "mental health" issues". Have now seen far too many interviews where its the confused teen and MOTHER talking about this.
It's not confusion. It's knowing who you are in person is radically different from how you look.
*The conflict* between self perception and obvious biology is what causes gender dysphoria.
Either we rewire the brain to change their personality (impossible) or we reshape their body to reflect their person.
Parents are listening to their children. _Children_ are the ones saying *SOMETHING IS WRONG.*
You need to listen to the children, not the people politicians parade in front of you.
Where's dad?
@@sarahharris2729 they're often told to shut up (if they're around at all). In the USA, a father was sued to not wanting to affirm his child's chosen gender, I think the kid was very young, like 5 or something. Father said no, and the mother took him to court and he was forced to shut-up and just affirm it. Look it up and you'll see.
No one is born in the wrong body. - Why isn't this the policy?
hermaphrodites disagree
The trans community don't use that language any more. It's outdated language.
@@vixenfirewhat medical fact backs the assertion of being ‘born in the wrong body’?
If the NHS were offering body swap services, you might actually have a point.
Everyone should have a rot pocket apparently
Watch the people who were too cowardly to speak out when it wasn't socially safe, come out the woodwork pretending to care
Yes, the ' benefit of the doubt' will only be extended for so long.
the reality is everyone thinks they would speak up but this shows you that isn't true in reality, we can all be brave when anonymous on RUclips but when you are the only person in a workplace where dissent is career suicide the more likely outcome is you would be just as cowardly, let's not pretend you wouldn't, these are not evil people they were either wrapped up in an ideology or they were scared
@gruunt4064 nah mate, I've been against this from the start and I've used my social media profiles with my full name and ugly face in full view 😂 I've got bills to pat too. When it comes to things like this I'll argue with the entire world if I believe its right. We're talking about innocent children.
@@phily8716I agree.
Teach kids to love selves, as they are - no pain of surgery or pill needed.
See that takes real effort and mental fortitude, which that 'mother' seems to lack. Shame on the west for letting this happen to it's children.
@NemeczeK101 please don't broad brushes the west. I'm in America and I've been speaking out for decades. 5th column, but it's finally being exposed and crumbling. Too slow in my opinion. There are many like me and a child is a blessing, God won't let these parents off the hook, nothing goes unseen.
@@anissah161 You said it yourself, too slow, and in my opinion, the west should have never let this happen in the first place to children. It's sick and disturbing.
@NemeczeK101 I agree - it's evil.
@vixenfire both homes are a hot mess. 😎
"Ideology has directed care rather than the normal process of pediatrics and psycology (science or reason) directing care".
What's the point of a quote if you have no source for it? That's just your quote.
@@WilliamAhlert Well it's true, you think the NHS is transitioning children out of the kindness of their hearts?
@@WilliamAhlert it's a quote from the video. Which you clearly havnt watched.
@@WilliamAhlertyou need to go for a lie down lad, you've been owned more times than the tower of London.
Being trans isn't an ideology, but hating trans people absolutely is.
That autistic child should be protected from this ideology. Be the adult in the room.
It's not an ideology. People with ASD are actually more prone to needing treatment for this sort of thing. Protesting medical treatment for an already vulnerable child isn't protecting anyone.
@@LukeMovement1I’m autistic and asked for puberty blockers when I was 11 and I’m glad I didn’t get them because I didn’t deserve to be sterilized
The Cass review was so needed, i absolutely hope that we can get on top of this social contagion. The medical experiments on kids have shown what they are and what they do, we need to get this back in check
The Cass Review was the first big step in standing up to ideological activists. This is important because it also gives laypeople something to point to when questioning ideology without having to feel like a bigot. And that is essentially the crux of the issue-people scared they’ll be called a bigot if they say that this doesn’t sound right to them.
This child is a very good example of the type of child who needs mental health therapy and time not drugs and surgery. The mother is clearly desperate to help his child and has bought into the idea of trans medicine because she wants to believe there’s a simple and sure cure for this.
C4 they are not “birth registered boys & girls” but just boys and girls. Frankie is a she not a he.
Sounds like being on the waiting list is far better than being treated... Frankie is dodging a bullet.
Frankie is an increased suicide risk due to this
That is not true. It just adds to the fears around this and is profoundly unhelpful. Increasing access to appropriate mental health support is the heart of the issue. Access to someone who can compassionately talk, support and help is what is needed.
@@JackFuryproof?
@@darrentaylor1414 here we go. If I point you to a study showing trans kids who do t receive healthcare are a greater risk of suicide will you accept it
Demonic comment. Why do you wish suffering on children?
C4 deliberately missing the point of the cass report
💯 we're going to see a lot of this. Those that yelled bigot and ran with an ideology instead of checking the facts.
C4 and too many at the BBC are primary offenders. To talk of toxic debate is ridiculous
Agenda
Not being A isn’t B. It’s lack of A … being atypical M or F is a huge part of what needs to be accepted by young people. So much social pressure to be typically M or F, … so many perfect ultra feminine girls and super cut boys and “alpha men” on social media…. this is all acted out in the school social arena where kids are brutal and unkind to those who “aren’t conforming to typical social standards”…. autistic kids are especially sensitive to social non conformity anxiety, this is contributing to children especially ASD kids believing bec they aren’t gender typical they must be the opposite gender when all it is is atypical presentations of their actual gender. It’s also a social conformity game and an adopted self assigned disability with protections for those in the “unique category” affording them legal protection under the wing of extreme activism. It’s a mental
Health issue with its roots in trauma responses to be being often neurodiverse and / or the victim of childhood trauma.
They used tosay that about gay folk. They changed their mind. They will about this too in time
There is no medical evidence that suggests being lgbt is a result of childhood trauma. Psychology has moved on
@@mariannehavisham8323I hope not because if they carry on on this path there’ll be a complete genocide of all gay people! These people require dignity and proper support through the correct holistic medical pathways created and executed in the same way all medical pathways are enacted according to the Hippocratic oath, before any kind of pharmaceutical or surgical intervention when and only when they’re able to fully consent as adults.
@@mariannehavisham8323well I hope not bec no one wants mass gen oh side of gay people (not a typo! just algorithm dodging).
@@mariannehavisham8323 Exactly. 10 or 15 years down the line these "transphobes" will realise the damage they caused years ago by trying to restrict healthcare.
If gender is purely a social construct, why do biological differences influence its expression, and why isn't it a matter of personal choice? Conversely, if gender is purely biological, why do cultural norms and expectations shape, if not determine, its identity? If gender cannot be precisely defined or described, why is it problematic to consider that a child asked/expected to reflect on their gender might struggle to understand what it is their truly reflecting on or identifying with? Why can’t people understand this criticism it’s like…. People really can’t handle contradictions in their beliefs my god. 🙃
From the website of Dr Aidan Kelly and his private clinic, their team consists mostly of clinical psychologist, and only one psychiatrist. There is no paediatrician ,endocrinologist or surgeon to safeguard the children's physical health. Who will be responsible for explaining and follow up the side effects of the medications or surgery?
No child should be given puberty blockers, they should be counselled and make decisions on their bodies when they are old enough to make informed decide as adults.
just because you want children to be your property, they are not. they are human beings with minds of their own.
@@sillypuppygurlchildren cannot consent to being sterilised and if you think they are, you are either a child or predator
The same people who complain that then say that tranwomen people don't even look like women
Leave children alone
Hopefully the NHS is spending its money on more important medical conditions.... stop this service
gender affirming care saves lives. It is important.
@@WilliamAhlert your delusional, this is a mental issue, due to changes in our society.... confusion is created and issues evolve, the numbers stated in the report prove it....
concentrate on cancer research, dementia, prevention etc and get these kids parents help
@@WilliamAhlertYour a sick person.
@@WilliamAhlertI know a girl who used to think she was a dog could you imagine her life if it was encouraged. You can't change your gender it's only cosmetic. Your body is defined by your DNA anything else is just cosmetic or a belief, like a religion.
@@davebull9600 It hasn't been a mental issue since 2018. It was classified as a mental health condition before that. But that was changed. Why are you either living in the past or spreading misinformation?
Does Channel 4 want to take any responsibility for the damage caused to young children by this quack 'science', as the channel has often acted as a propaganda outlet for trans activism, and has often enabled and contributed to the smearing of those critical as 'transphobic'.
Do you feel any guilt at all?
So we need to stop treating central precocious puberty. That's puberty blockers in use since 1980.
And we need to stop giving TEEN girls breast augmentation / reduction and rhinoplasty (nose surgery) and TEEN boys mastectomies. Those surgeries _literally_ occur about 100,000 times more often than trans surgeries. And all they require is 1 parent to agree.
And we need to stop giving girls birth control pills until they're 18.
Gee... there is so much medicine we need to unwind to meet your goals.
there has been a less than 2% regret rate on transition, whats your issue exactly? do tell me did you ever talk to a trans person or try to understand them?
@@sillypuppygurl over 80% of people grow out of this nonsense just by going through puberty.
I am in America. I was given a thorough medical exam, x-rays, and was given a laundry list of potential complications and solutions for simply having a pair of impacted wisdom teeth pulled. The dentist did not simply take my word for it. The fact that a child can walk into a doctor’s office and get life altering drugs just because they say they feel they are the opposite gender baffles me.
Crazy. The industry is ran by activists trying to help their cause, not the patient.
fr if that was the case when i was a tomboy as a preteen that cared more about playing video games instead of shopping and dating boys in highschool i wouldve already been on T and everything. Im gonna assume this is the new generation version of getting kids hooked on ritalin. only people benefiting from polluting the population with this gender garbage is big pharma.
Except it doesn't work that way. In countries that do provide gender affirming care, there are multiple visits to multiple care providers (general practitioner, therapist, child psychologist and social worker before it's determined medical is prescribed. In my country it takes years to get top surgery and double digit appointments to get your first prescription. No below the belt surgeries are performed on children.
NOWHERE are children being prescribed drugs and having their genatalia altered because they said one time - "I don't want to be a boy".
@@birdamatic2691 When therapists, child psychologists, and social workers all take the stance to affirm the child, it is all based in the child’s words. Lots of nurses and doctors have come forward and stated to even question the situation would result in lost jobs.
@@Behinddarkness86 you are right, it's based on the child's words. But those words are not just "I'm sad", "I don't want to be x gender", "I think I'm trans". There are clinical responses that are looked for and consistent, persistent and insistent behaviors that demonstrate the child isn't "just going through a phase". It's a collective of all the responses and all the results from a group of medical practitioners. Anyone that thinks it's a single visit to a Dr and you walk out with puberty blockers, hormones and a surgery date is uninformed on this matter.
Dr Bell, a clear and sane voice. Of course, he was ignored.
This is a disgusting take these children are being MUTILATED! This is child abuse.
Ah, no. Surgeries weren't performed.
2.20 "... 98% proceeded to masculinising or feminising hormones"
That points to a very successful process for diagnosing children.
@@r-platt peeedoh alert
@@r-platt even if one kid is castrated its heinous
@@AlexandrawOfficial_Lexi Removing genitals is extreme. That's why it's only done to save the life of the child.
We don't get to decide what qualifies as life threatening as that's decided on a case-by-case basis.
@@AlexandrawOfficial_Lexi what about circumcision?
I have alot of sympathy for those with issues who were corralled into the trans/identity ideology with irreversible damage. So messed up.
But no sympathy for the 99% who lead better lives after?
@@vixenfireok, so "most people are successful"..and i take it that you mean transition and not "translation".
Respectfully, you can't actually make that claim in good faith. Where are you plucking "most people" from, where are getting your figures? And "successful" means what?
@@JackFury incorrect, read my post with your eyes and then use your brain again.
I'm talking about misdiagnosis and negligence from trusted healthcare providers.
@@vixenfire why don't you address my questions. I'm not interested in your story.
@@TrueLife-o2jless than 1% regret their transition.
So again do you not care about the more than 99% that live better lives due to trans healthcare.
Answer the question this time
When I recently got a puppy, my vet said that the latest research said that early spaying and neutering causes problems with bones and joints. Now I'm wondering if people are so different.
Not different. Ask all the detransitioners out there.
As a kid you'd hear about people that hated their skin colour and would try to bleach themselves. I didn't see much difference between that and gender affirming care. It's crazy that it's encouraged now.
Hopefully they won't be lied to and mutilated now.
The one thing all these children have in common is that one unquestionable thought in their head that goes like
‘oh so what if there are people who regret it? I’m one of the _real_ trans people, I’ll always be this way, I need this’
And then they’re wrong, but by the point they realize so they’ve been dragged too deep and there’s no going back.
Poor Dr Cass has been advised not to take public transportation because of this. Transgender activists are nuts..but then I think we all knew that already anyway.
as a foreigner I am very surprise to see the U.K. health care system in such shambles . It looks third world . This is sad for a country of first world status . I hope the issues get fix soon.
This issue is a problem the world over.
Government monopolies are always inefficient, slow, rigid, expensive, in shambles. This should not be surprising.
@@iv6872 The main issue has been the privatisation of it.
@@drunkenhobo5039 you mean the lack of a free market.
@@iv6872 Lol, you're one of those.
Sad he is obsessed with this. Thinks it’s going to ‘ fix everything’. Waste of his childhood. He is lucky he didn’t get in. Needs distraction and something else to focus on.
She should live her life and not see this clinic as the solution to her obvious mental health problems
Comments make me hopeful in humanity
No person under the age of 18 should have ANY medical intervention to transition. It is child abuse. When these kids turn 18, then they can choose for themselves.
Yeah! Parents don't have rights. You get to decide what's best for everyone else, regardless of truth or reality.
Even as adults, injecting hormones and mutilating their healthy bodies is the path to a liftetime of health issues.
@@ijansk Whereas failing to take hormones ends in insanity or being unalive.
Of course cis women have been taking hormones ("the pill") for a long time. The side effects are very well known.
But don't let the facts stop you.
@@ijansk thats just false, educate urself before spreading bs.
This is good. lots of research. Holding off on decisions until people 100% know. She is doing a great job.
It is impossible to customize your gender, telling a young child it is possible is cruel.
@@vixenfire Please, point me to your sources. I am interested to see why you believe this.
@@vixenfirefacts? If you believed in facts you'd know that a man cannot become female 🍆
@@vixenfirehumans are sexually dimorphic. A woman taking testosterone is not becoming a man she is becoming a sick woman with imbalanced hormones.
@@725k9 its possibly, many have done it and the regret rate is lower than 2%, it makes people happy. now whats your argument against it? why do you want people that suffer to be miserable?
Can we change our age and race too, Doc? I'll be 25 again please!
I think this issue could have been far less controversial if we'd heard from more informed, sensible and reasonable voices like Dr Bell's in recent years instead of the 'lived experience' of patients and the ideological posturing of trans activists.
Sorry, I'm confused as to why you don't want to hear about the transgender issue from transgender people? To me the most sensible way to learn about a group is to speak to people from that group.
@@jtownblues7237 the patients’ experience is for the medical professionals to hear and deal with as far as I’m concerned; I’m more interested in hearing the views of the experts who can share data, their professional insights and provide an overall picture of the issue and its implications.
@@stewartyboy Yes but surely there are transgender researchers and doctors? I would trust them over doctors who are not transgender for the same reason I would trust a female doctor over a male one to speak on women's health.
@@jtownblues7237 Would that be a female doctor as in adult human female or a female doctor who used to be male but had mental heath issues and now presents as female?
@@errin-mp1zy Sorry I don't understand your question, a female doctor as in a doctor who is a woman (therefore obviously an adult and a human). Ideally I would try to find someone who has experienced what they are explaining, eg; if I wanted to learn about menopause I'd look to a doctor who had experienced menopause.
Why isn't this mother consulting with a regular psychiatrist to treat the emotional turmoil this child has about the body?
The child is sick because the mother's sick.
@@vixenfire Actually it's an observation a medical specialist might make. How odd.
@@merg-vh5sx🤡🤡🤡
@@merg-vh5sxactually you're slightly uneducated 😂
@@cyberneticcultureresearchu426 the level of the discourse is quite something to behold.
Why is C4 pushing the side of feelings over facts? smh
Because your facts are meaningless. You want to diagnose a MENTAL problem by looking at biology. That's like diagnosing your car's engine trouble by looking at your dashboard.
When feelings cripple a person, they matter a great deal.
Since we cannot rewire a person's brain that leaves altering the body.
And the regret rate for such treatment is only 2%. That's extremely low.
So we're a country against FGM but we allow this .....? Crazy.
Comparing those two is utter lunacy. That's like saying a shotun blast to the head is the same as brain surgery
This world is sick !!
Hear Hear!
Without a doubt.
Is there a cure ?
Parents need to stop this nonsense. @@leelee287
So it needs appropriate medical treatment. Not politically driven scaremongering and scapegoating. Just science please. Of the 2.7 percent that regret transition, the vast majority say its because of social and familial rejection and not due to them making a mistake about their brains gender.
Well they have been let down gently... compared to all the people that have actual medical problems and life threatening conditions, who get appointments and treatments cancelled last minute.
How sick telling kids stuff like this, Love the body your in, these people telling kids their in the wrong body are sick!
Nobody tells them they know.
Explain intersex.
It has become toxic issue because people have now seen what garbage has happened in the country. They are children - stop harming them by thinking affirming a delliousion is a treatment
Badly let down by all the so called Adults around them.
7:56. “But you are doing puberty blockers for people over 16 (people already past puberty who couldn’t possibly benefit from them.)”
People are dying of cancer, sleeping in A&E receptions overnight and we're worried about *THIS SHITE* ???
Trans people won’t disappear, despite terrible care
No, they have always existed. There was a trans person in my father's company in World war 2. He served honorably, simply followed the rules and regulations set for everyone
@@gerardgruss288yeah right😂 I’m sure that’s true, and one of Jesus’ disciples was also trans.
@@gerardgruss288 John money did his little experiments in 65 stop lying.
@@gerardgruss288 No he was an AGP
I don’t have the link but there was a ten year old study saing that gener confused kids have mothers with mental issues. Let’s talk about that.
100%
Found it from NIH - Mothers of boys with gender identity disorder: a comparison of matched controls. Quote: “Fifty-three percent of the mothers of boys with GID compared with only 6% of controls met the diagnosis for Borderline Personality Disorder on the Diagnostic Interview for Borderlines or had symptoms of depression on the Beck Depression Inventory.”
@@vixenfire I had a claim and I presented the proof. Your turn.
@@vixenfire we need fathers back in children's lives. Not toxic mum's
@@vixenfirewhere is your evidence to the contrary?
14 is too young to make a decision. There is plenty of time. No treatment should be given until they are 21. They are called teenagers, not adults, for a reason.
In contrast, Dr David Bell presents a more thoughtful response eg the role of the unchecked 'affirmation' as a Human Rights directive absent of any clinical consideration - children self diagnosing and Doctors handing out hormone blockers like sweets or candy.
Bell took issue with Tavistock "fast tracking" some children. They weren't following the rules and that WAS a problem.
Nothing Bell said changes the effectiveness or safety of puberty blockers.
Meanwhile EVERYONE agrees these children (even those that desist) need of help.
But England is going _backward_ in care.
@@r-platt We do not know that puberty blockers are safe. No long term research
Any and all forms of 'treatment' should be completely off the table for anyone under the age of 18. The fact its even being considered is totally absurd.
We all know how impressionable kids can be. Thinking theyre in a position to be making such serious decisions, which many will grow to regret, is beyond crazy. Any parent who thinks its a good idea to let their teenager get involved in any of this should he ashamed of themselves.
@@vixenfire I'm well aware of gender dysphoria, doesn't change my position.
@@vixenfire I never claimed I was. I have no problem with adults transitioning, if that's what they feel like they need to do then go ahead. The idea that we would mess with the development and health of children who's brains aren't even fully developed is another level of ridiculous. Children can barely keep their own ideas consistent, there is no way they can be trusted to make a serious decision like changing their gender during puberty.
Most of these kids will grow out of it, they're mostly influenced by what they're seeing online and they're desperate to try and carve out their own identity. If they don't grow out of it by the time they're 18 and they believe transitioning is for them then go ahead, but not a moment before.
The fact that you would push for such serious options to be open to children says a great deal about your own ignorance.
@@Behaving_Golemsob sob sob sob grow up.😂😂
@@cyberneticcultureresearchu426 That's about the measured and intellectual response I would expect from people like you. I'd laugh if it weren't so embarrassing and yet I'm the one who needs to grow up? Amazing.
@@vixenfire People are here attempting to have a conversation about a serious issue. You're here making a mockery of it. Yet you wonder why people at large don't respect you or the things you stand for. Perhaps you shouldn't interject when the adults are talking.
She, btw. Badly misled child not getting the ACTUAL help they need
I genuinely don't care how you want to identify. But this should not be paid for by the taxpayer or on NHS time.
Biased reporting. Dr Cass was heavily edited.
Wow. Well done, Dr Kelly. You handled that so well.
I think the scramble for the parachutes could be top of mind for a lot people right now! Never been a better time to be a lawyer I suppose...
Money drives treatment….
Apparently I'm a right wing nut for speaking out against child abuse
Poor Frankie has got mental problems
I wish people in the comments would actually think about the thousands of children awaiting even an initial appointment to discuss their gender identity issues, rather than go off on one about what clinicians (not any of you or I as amateurs) think about prescribing medication.
Also, could people 1) acknowledge gender critical feminism ISN'T an academically recognised discipline. It is ONE of the ideologies that Dr Cass meant when she said 'all sides' and 2) STOP mentioning surgery - it wasn't mentioned once in the CASS Review nor in the video.
Your sensationalising through fictionalised comments about trans children's care is despicable.
The only thing that is important and without a doubt is the government has failed these children for years by not providing enough clinicians, clinics and appointments so they don't have to wait until they are adults to receive care due to them from point of need. End of.
They also failed them by having a single pathway available and in some cases pushing them on to it after a couple of sessions post waiting list.
Are you aware that it was the clinicians that wanted to continue lobotomies? And it was the public (so called amateurs) that eventually put a stop to it?? We are all people with opinions and nobody needs to be cancelled from their viewpoint
The kid can thank them later for delaying and blame the educational system for warping her mind once she grows up
Alarmed to see a mental health professional refer to being trans as a 'problem' and a 'disturbance' I know many healthy happy trans adults post transition. Their identity isn't a 'problem' and they are not 'disturbed', they are living fulfilling lives
It's a problem is they will kill themselves if they don't get treatment. It's a disturbance in them wanting to live. Just like depression or anxiety.
why let over 99 percent of trans suffer because of less than one percent
kids can't consent to this
the design of the study giving 1% detransitioning is at fault. It does not include all patients and those defaulted follow up are not counted.
Your figures are wrong. Most children change their minds.
Nothing wrong with being gay, not every gay male need’s transition
What do you mean by this? People are allowed to transition and still will be, just other providers will take over, cry about it darling 😂. We are here to stay!
im a trans woman, i only like girls and I know lots of other trans lesbians. So are you fine with people like me?
@lilianm170 cry about gay conversion therapy? You lot are special kind of weird. Don't like gay people so just turn them into women is that the idea? Sick
@@lilianm170 🤡
@lilianm170 so even though there is absolutely no evidence that mutilating children helps with these issues your quite happy to push that as a policy? Yeah this is why people don't listen to nutty activists like you, you don't care about truth, science or children and we don't care about you
*T H I S W A S A L W A Y S C O M M O N S E N S E !!!*
PS. All the people/"health care professionals"/well-meaning monsters who pushed this on *CHILDREN* be damned!
What is the difference between what is happening in the Tavistock NHS gender clinic and what the Angel of Death did? Because the line is starting to get very blurred for me.
Whats the difference between murder and helping? Fucking really?! Oh I don't know maybe the MURDER part
@@johnpixieYou call it 'helping', I call it mutilation. Also, no, most times it did not lead to death but prolonged suffering, which many trans children end up going through.
@@vixenfire It's under a different brand, but its the same human experimentation, and you can't deny it.
@@vixenfire Ah yes those credible medical experts who think cutting off genitals children is alright 🤡
@@vixenfire Blissful ignorance
My cousin transitioned to a woman, after 2 years of treatment realised it wasnt what he wanted. Now his body is ruined for life
The comments section is going to turn into a bloodbath.
Yes, it's insanity how people can't defend the idea that children should be left alone.
Looks like most people are agreeing that it's child abuse
Let's hope so...
@@NemeczeK101On the media ... not on the comelments section only where everyone is brave
no, they're being let down by their parents.
They need a psychiatrist instead .
Half of the shrinks are complicit in this
They literally do. You need this for a diagnosis.
tell me you don't know anything about how transitioning works without telling me you know anything at all in the field
The five+ year wait list is intentional. The NHS is hoping that by removing access to care, many of these trans kids will be forced to endure puberty while they wait. The pubery-blocker debate becomes a non-issue, bc puberty will have already been allowed to take place. The kids are forced to suffer dysphoria longer, and then have to go through expensive surgeries once they're adults. But hey, we wouldn't want to "groom" them into thinking they should be allowed to express themselves. Best they learn young that the world is a horrible place.
It's law in many states here.
It's beyond disgusting. It's a silent genocide.
Allowing time to pass is the right course for the vast majority of kids suffering gender dysphoria as we know that the vast majority do indeed simply grow out of it. As it becomes less and less of a social contagion, even more children's lives will be protected. As fewer and fewer people espouse evil views like yours, we can move forward and commence prosecutions of those who were complicit in this scandal...
@@reggrunow1460 2% regret. If you want that lower, stop shaming gay people and teach children DEI. >90% of those that desist end up being gay. They transition so they appear to be hetero.
I'm glad you approve of puberty blockers.
However the Cass report debunks the "social contagion" myth. That myth was started by a journalist, not a doctor.
How did it get like this in the first place? Who promoted or allowed this?
Dr John Money. Look him up
It because the reason for existence of Stonewall and Mermaids and paid their salaries.
As Judy mentioned, the story around John Money is a disturbingly eye-opening start.
It was allowed to get this far due to mainstream media promoting the ideology, and running smears and character assassinations on anyone trying to draw attention to its darker side.
It's worth looking a little deeper into anything that corporate media claims to be supported by the far right, or is a "far right conspiracy theory" - that's where the 'bodies are buried'.
I think the age should be raised to be able to change since your brain isn’t fully developed till 25
Actual doctors disagree with you
I think people should be able to make their own decisions without morons like you having veto power.
But Puberty causes irreversible damage for these individuals who wish to transition. You're calling on 0.3% of the population to commit sui cide all because you have an agenda to stop the process?
This is how it should be yep
thats how it starts, then completely forbid treatment. thats how you people would like it huh. its not going to happen sorry not sorry