"In the end, parents know their children best." "I actually very much disagree with that statement. The closer you are in relation to the patient, the more likely that your bias is gonna be at play, and you're not be able to make an objective decision." Love the way he politely disagrees and gives a logical explanation.
That's I respect Dr. Mike. In that situation I would've been "You know as much about your child as the Russians knew about Chernobyl in 1986, how'd that turn out"
@@nhiko999 There was also the whole entire existence of humanity up until the point of the vaccine invention in 1796 to use as an example. I mean so many people died from diseases we can now cure and virtually eradicate. Why would that ever be a bad thing?
@@EOR2742 my favorite argument when discussing with an anti-vaxxer is when they say there were people around before vaccines. Whether that be because they buy in to the doctor conspiricy or to state if humanity was fine without them before then there child doesn't need it now. yes there were people around, but many of them also died.
Very very accurate. Measles can complicate as encephalitis, which has poor prognosis. Smallpox was extremely deadly; there was a reason it was the disease we first developed a successful vaccine against. Anti-vaxers who still claim autism is linked to vaccinations (despite it being disproven several times), how do they prefer polio or permanent damage/death over autism for their kid? There’s a very small group of people who cannot safely receive vaccinations, and rely on herd immunity. In my country, we are discussing not letting anti-vaxers (by choice) put their children in public kindergarten. It’s a tricky discussion with strong opinions on both sides. On a population scale, vaccines save more lives than they take by a ridiculous factor.
No one gets smallpox anymore. My risk for having no immunity to smallpox is zero. You know why? Because vaccines work so goddamn well we eradicated the virus. Smallpox and rinderpest are both completely eradicated.
This annoys me. I got meningococcal septicaemia when I was younger because a vaccination wasn't available. I had all 4 limbs amputated and if a vaccination had been available at the time I wouldn't have had to go through that.
@ArgoLyte you know what sarcastic was not the word I meant to use mainly because english is not my first language. But the dingus part got to me ... I wonder about your tought process. let us have a conversation what lead you to make a second coment? what made you think adding that comment would be a good thing ? I dont click on peoples chanels because most of the time they make a profile just to coment on the videos they liked. Maybe you should also have tought about that.
OOOHH IZZY! I at first read this thinking it sounded like your story and wondered whether you knew of it, then look at the username😂😂 ILYSM! Your channel is super awesome! 💖💖💖
My grandmother was a polio survivor. she spent time in an iron lung and lost the use of her legs for the rest of her life. My grandfather lost hearing in one of his ears after a childhood bout of the flu. I had RSV at 2 months old, and have struggled with serve asthma my whole life. refusing to vaccinate your child against illnesses with common harmful side effects because of a one in a million side effect (or worse, a 'side effect' that has been THROUGHLY DISPROVEN) makes me enraged
If you're alluding to the massively debunked connection between autism and vaccination... I hear you! I was diagnosed ADHD in my 30s. My family suspected I was autistic for years before then. (ASD and ADHD can have overlapping symptoms.) Some of my more fringe relatives implied that my issues (that turned out to be ADHD) were caused by my childhood vaccinations. It's a good thing I wasn't present for that conversation cause I'd have had a tough time keeping my cool and debunking them vociferously. ADHD is genetic and I likely got it from my undiagnosed mother. It also is a horrible thing to say to autistic folks, too. The implication is that they would rather have a maimed or dead child from a preventable disease rather than risk having an autistic child!
@@jessicaharris1608I'm autistic here and yeah, even if it were true, (figurative "you" incoming), you'd be choosing bringing polio to everyone like it's the 1900s again over being awesome and having a whole community of folks online who get it?
@@brennaweaver3974vaccines are just free Temple Grandin (obviously that’s not an completely accurate representation of autistic ppl but idk whether I’m more offended as an autistic person or as someone who believes in science)
I’m allergic to penicillin. When I was given penicillin I had a really bad reaction. I don’t take penicillin anymore. Other ppl should still take it when needed bc MY experience is not the experience for everyone else. Isn’t that crazy!!!🤪
Evan O'Dwyer I had to the same for the DTP vaccine - I was allergic to the illness Pertussis (whooping cough) to the point of if there is an outbreak I have to be quarantined. I had the rest of my vaccines and the rest of the DTP vaccine separated from the whooping cough bit in the hospital under supervision. But I will never not vaccinate because of my reaction, my kids will be vaccinated under close supervision because there are other people that need the protection just like I do from herd immunity
@@rachaelevans8351 yes! This is how the people who have side effects from vaccines should be. It's okay to not take vaccines for VALID reasons, but they're assuming everyone's like them and telling everyone not to take vaccines. Never mind about coronavirus, these antivaxx people can wipe us out.
This was a little too funny because I’m actually legitimately allergic to amoxicillin (they don’t give me penicillin because they’re like sister drugs, very similar) 😂
There’s a saying that goes something like this “Winning an argument against a smart person is hard. Winning an argument against an ignorant person is impossible.”
bruh never heard anything truer in my life. smart, rational people will listen to your points, combat them appropriately, and are always open to be educated. having an argument with a person who is ignorant is like trying to talk to a tree stump - you have to repeat yourself over and over again and they'll never listen to your points. it's incredibly frustrating.
@@ZmZm525 ok boomer.....the new catch cry of the terminally ignorant with no real argument to add to the debate. Let me guess, you think the earth is flat, dont you?
I had a bad reaction to a vaccine. My parents didn’t want me to have vaccinations since I was 2. I am now 19 and went to get vaccines due to going into nursing. They told me if I had any worries they would work with an allergist to make sure I wouldn’t have a reaction. Simply talk to your doctor instead of believing they are secretly harming you.
Anela Wright thats what we did with our immunocompromised child. She doesn’t get the vaccines when everyone else does, but with the help of an allergist we’ve figured out the best course for her while still keeping her and others safe.
Just imagine being the pro-vaccine doctor who probably has 15+ years of studying, looking at countless studies, and practicing medicine only for a wine mom with zero understanding of medicine to tell you "you're wrong."
Just imagine being a pro vaccine doctor with 15 years of studying and having COLLEAGUES who are also DOCTORS with 15 YEARS OF STUDYING who are anti-vax. I imagine it's a huge reality check of making you realise not every Doctor know what he's doing.
I;m a wine mom, and I wouldn't say "you're wrong." i just wouldn't take my kids to that doctor in the first place. all i want is for the doctor to agree with me and my needs for my children. that's all i ask. it's not asking too much.
Hey look, it's a random alphanumeric string username posting a blatant and easily dismissed logical fallacy. Sure is legitimate discussion in the comments section today.
Tempest that’s not even true. You’re equating stupidity with stubbornness. Smart people can be very stubborn just like how stupid people can be humble or “opened” to new ideas
mellissa is right, her child shouldnt get vaccines, but telling others to not get vaccines as well, is wrong. its like saying, oh im allergic to peanuts, so you shouldnt ever eat peanuts because my daughter had a allergic reaction to peanuts. yes your child shouldnt get vaccines since theres a reaction to the body, but telling others, to not take vaccines is not right.
Agreed. Though I wouldn’t use this metaphor with anti-vaxxers. Just because we as a society DO ask other kids at schools not to bring peanut products so the kid with peanut allergies doesnt have a reaction. I understand what your saying, but antivaxxers are very ______, so they can easy get confused.
my younger sister had a kidney reaction to a baby vaccine, and as a result, she had to be hospitalized for a few weeks, and she will not be able to get that specific vaccine again, and others that may have the same outcome. however, my family and I are still on vaccines. if my sister cannot get this vaccine, she is at risk of having this disease, and to avoid this it is necessary that the people who have contact with her have the vaccine. Get vaccinated to protect yourself, and those who for health reasons cannot be vaccinated.
It amazes me how these people think their sample size of one (without controls, data, analysis etc.) is greater evidence than 3 clinical study phases involving thousands... not to mention post-licensure monitoring of vaccine safety. They mention risk-benefit analysis but yet seem unable to perform such even when faced with expert opinion and evidence. Protecting kids from vaccinations is like telling a kid not to wear a seatbelt because it may cause bruising in an accident.
If your child has an autoimmune disorder you should be PRO vaccine, even if it means not vaccinating that child. You need the healthy children around your child to be vaccinated so they don't spread these preventable illnesses to yours
That's not the issue. The controversy isnt about weather a person should or shouldn't get vac instead, it's about weather or not it should be mandated and if people who refuse should lose their job or be jailed or fined into poverty.
@@williampennjr.4448a mandate that is the direct result of the belief that you should be vaccinated and the fact that an overwhelming number of people didn’t want to get a vaccine for a potentially deadly virus that spread via person to person contact. Could you imagine if the number of people who didn’t want the covid vaccine would have been against the polio vaccine? We would have had millions of other people dead or in iron lungs and the virus would still exist and still be infecting people, but thanks to the vaccine and the mandates put in place and followed during its outbreak has literally eliminated the virus in the US. Guess where it isn’t eliminated? In certain 3rd world countries that didn’t have a vaccine and is only being treated and prevented by vaccines provided to them by the CDC as it’s goal is to eliminate the virus globally. Much like the Covid outbreak, polio also caused the government to close schools, public places, and also encouraged social distancing, along with the vaccine having potential side effects that included possible paralysis. Vaccination is nothing new, just as viral infections are nothing new, and the science behind their creation and use is pretty rock solid. Now if people who were unvaccinated couldn’t spread and infect others with the virus then vaccination probably wouldn’t be mandated, but it can and is spread by people so you put others at risk, not just yourself, when you remain unvaccinated during an outbreak of a potentially deadly virus…not sure what’s so difficult about that to understand.
"Safe-ish" Ok, lady, so are airbags in a car. But if I'm about to slam 70 mph into a wall, I rather trust my life in something that's safe-ish than find to out if my body can live without a head.
B-but you see! My daghter suffrs from an aibag allargy. That's why airbogs should be ellegal! It is a unethical thingy and it interfers with the chemical molecular imbalance of the potassium levels within the ribosome as well as produces frequent anaphylactic reactions within a 5km radius. I'd like to say that this is sarcasm and I actually DO BELIEVE IN AIR BAGS! Also: 1) I do not have a daughter 2) I purposefully put spelling errors in to imitate the breed of anti-vaxxers 3) This is meant to imitate the logic that anti-vaxxers apply to vaccines 4) Have a good day/night!
Chicken Schnitzel Wait are you sure you know what we are talking about? The airbags that inflate if you get in a crash so that you don’t bang your head. What your daughter allergic to?
My daughter has a severe egg allergy and many vaccines are suspended in a type of egg protein. I strongly believe in vaccines because I have an autoimmune disease and heart condition. So I as a parent took my daughter to a specialist who did all her vaccines in divided dosages and we stayed in the office for 2 hours after each dosage. She is now a healthy 14 year old and has outgrown the egg allergy and has had ALL of her vaccines 🥰
bumblerat ;; I have a Bachelor Degree in Science, Cell and Molecular Biology; I am a former teacher (in my home country) of Human Anatomy and Physiology as well as Chemistry. I am a former Licensed Dietitian and I also have a degree and currently practice as a Doctor of Dental Surgery. I have taken several mandatory as well as elective courses in immunology, bacteriology, virology, biochemistry, histology, microbiology, genetics and alike. I am a former research and teaching assistant at a graduate department of Neurogenetics at one of top US universities. I have spent 22 years of my life at school 9 years of which was university level. I am sad to report that when it came to vaccines they only taught us the vaccine schedule and literally nothing in regards to mechanism of action, the types and role of adjuvants, nor adverse reactions. I trusted that vaccines are safe and effective just like you. However, for reasons irrelevant to this discussion, I did my own research namely reviewing primary research literature published in JAMA, JADA, PubMed, etc as well as CDC’s website and their own research published there and I state in confidence that the truth is hidden in plain site and there is absolutely positively no chance that after researching vaccine ingredients you could still claim vaccines are safe. No chance. And by the way, to date, I have not been able to locate a single randomized, double-blind placebo study with a statistically significant sample size that would prove safety of any single vaccine not to mention when they are administered in combination or multiplicity at one seating thus completely disregarding any possible synergistic toxicity of such adjuvants. Don’t be a sheep and do your own research.
@@martinap2682 "there is absolutely positively no chance that after researching vaccine ingredients you could still claim vaccines are safe" So in other words, every doctor in the world is wrong, and you are right.
To speak on a personal item regarding vaccinations, when I was in the Army prior to deployment to certain locations on the planet, the Small Pox vaccine is administered to deploying service members. I was given an indefinite medical exemption based upon certain and specific criteria; it became exceptionally important that everyone else in my unit carry an immunological response if that were ever introduced to the environment. In that regard, all of their immune systems had my immune system's back when we were deployed.
I am from Bangladesh, which is a third world country. Before WHO and the government stepped in, hundreds of kids used to die from preventable diseases like measles, small pox etc. My own cousin died from small pox at age of 2 because she didn't receive the vaccine on time. Hearing people in the 1st world country saying vaccines are harmful makes me really sad and angry at the same time.
Thank you for your testimony Jafreen. Unfortunately those who have never seen the effects of some of these terrible but preventable illnesses can never grasp the severity of it. They have the power of corrupted hindsight were they did not see the effects and assume all of these illnesses have been eradicated. They are the result of decades fighting preventable, through vaccinations, diseases. I am not a fan of cliche"but those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it."
I think this is what people need to hear. We used to be just as vulnerable to disease, which is the whole point of these movements to get vaccines to kids all over the world... we were trying to give them what we had, that feeling of security in knowing that diseases that used to ravage communities were now a thing of the past. If such a miracle medicine exists, it's a moral wrong to give only to a few people. So we in the US are pretty amazed, too, that anyone would dismiss that astounding opportunity out of fear of a rare adverse reaction.
I'm sorry about your cousin, and she is one of the many reasons why I will be fully vaccinating my son. I cannot relate to your story, but I know that there are too many out there just like your cousin. Not only do I have the privilege of living in a 1st world country, so I have easy access to vaccines, but I'm Canadian... so they're free. I would be a complete and total moron if I didn't take advantage of that. Sadly, I know people who think that because there are scary sounding ingredients (such as dihydrogen monoxide) in vaccines, that they're unsafe. Even the mercury used in some of them, thimerosal, is less dangerous than the mercury in fish. Now, yes, there's risk associated with vaccines, but there is risk to everything, and an even greater risk when not vaccinating. There are outbreaks of measles in the US and some cases in Canada because people aren't vaccinating.
Completely agree with you. I grew up in a public school where some children was absent during vaccination day in my country and one of them ended up with polio because they didn't get vaccinated (it ran out).
Doctor Mike is right. I strongly disagree with the woman who said it's hard to trust a doctor who only sees your child for 10 minutes twice a year. Let me tell you why. I go to a specialist twice a year for my allergies. When she saw me, she noticed I looked very pale and tired. My mom, who is a nurse, didn't notice, even I myself didn't. The doctor did a blood test and it turned out I had anemia due to severe blood loss in my stomach, due to an inflammation. SHE SAVED MY LIFE! In the 10 minutes she saw me, only twice a year.
It's fine to question your doctor and discuss options. But I do trust my doctors too. If you don't trust your doctors.. find new doctors. I'm glad you're okay!
My new doc found out my allergies too and thought I WAS TOO WHITE the second she saw me which others didnt think. Turns out I had a massively-severe vitamin D deficiency affecting my teeth and my immune system. Now without cavities and no more sneezing everyday! Now leading a way better quality of life without having to chug antihistamines like candy :) She was more expensive than my other docs but I actually spent way less money and time with her than other docs.
My eye specialist immediately saw that I had a squint eye that somehow no one ever noticed? Just after the doctor said it everyone was like: ooh now that I look for it I can see you have a squint eye. Doctors now what to look for, they studied the human body, they meet tons of people everyday that with the same or similar symptoms. They should anticipate how the body of your child reacts to something based on the medical history etc. It is not like every child is so special that somehow all that knowledge they have doesn't apply to them anymore and doctors become absolutely clueless.
It's true! I was having stomach pains and the second I walked through the door my doctor said "You have appendicitis, you're walking slightly bent to the right", made me get an ultrasound to confirm it and I was taken to the OR immediately to get an appendectomy. She saved my life🤷🏻♀️ and she knew it the second I walked in.
What I don't understand is if your child cannot be vaccinated due to adverse affects, why would you then advocate for anti vaccination? Your child is now a part of the group that relies on herd immunity...advocating for anti-vax just puts your own child at even more of a risk...🤦🏾♀️
In my opinion, I agree with Dr. Mike that no one should ever become anti-vaccine because of a negative experience themselves (as long as the vaccine has gone through the proper trials and is safe to use in general). Imagine if the kids with Polio had originally chosen not to take the vaccine; nowadays the illness is essentially gone because of the use of vaccines.
and it's coming back, along with smallpox, because moronic uneducated people who get their information from Facebook think they know better than science and medicine and DECADES of research.
I agree to a point, but if there are excessive "negative experiences" a research should be done on why are they happening and most importantly how to prevent them. If we take one sided approach we can be sure medicine is deteriorating
@@BruhImAGirl they are re-evaluated. Like with the J&J Covid vaccine. They found out it had some small chance to cause something and it was looked at. The problem is that anti vaccine people will take that one negative thing and just run with it and won’t be open to the rest of that process.
If anything, having a kid who had adverse effects and can't get vaccinated should be MORE pro-vaccine. They need others around them to be protected since they can't protect themselves. My sister nearly died as a baby because she caught whooping cough when she was too young to get vaccinated. It's important.
This is such a good example of why I want to be an educator and why I value education so much. I love that you emphasized how important that growth of knowledge is, especially in the medical field. 🙌🏻 You have a fantastic channel.
maplebob23 Educator. I would hope I’d have better morals than to cling to something without sufficient evidence or reason. If that became the case in any scenario, not just within this debate, I’d have to reasonably adjust my worldview. However, I do believe that at this point in time vaccinations are easily the best way to protect all people against preventable and widely catastrophic diseases when they’re properly researched and implemented. :)
@@iamf6641 people strongly recomend you dont smoke, yet a great percentage smoke as teens, hiding by the fact that at most it will kill them when they are 70, which we all know it is not true and yet people are against that fact and still smoke... So is that recomandation Indoctrination or Education to you
The mom who says that vaccines are safe-ish shouldn't use any medication I guess... ALL drugs have adverse effects even the most used medication so what's her point?
Caroline Deghilage Exactly! I was taking a medication called Lamotrigine that gave me Steven Johnson’s Syndrome. I was told it was a very RARE side effect of that medication and a statistical anomaly, but somehow I still ended up with a rash that would very quickly become necrotic. SJS is a terrifying rash that causes widespread necrosis and was incredibly scary to deal with as a teenager. Does that mean I don’t take medications when I’m prescribed them? Hell no. ALL medications come with side effects and we as a populous take them because the benefits outweigh the side effects.
Isn’t it funny how these people that don’t trust doctors will run to the emergency room for broken bones and surgery 🤔 they don’t trust vaccines that their doctors support but trust them to fix their broken bones 🤔
I am unable to take the flu vaccine without having a dangerous reaction to it. I have contracted H1N1 flu virus. It was the sickest I have ever been in my life. It took me months to get back to full health. To everyone who recieves a flu vaccine each year I extend a huge thank you. I appriciate every person who gets vaccinated and helps lower my chances of catching the flu again. I have been able to be vaccinated for everything else required in my life and my children have all been vaccinated without any issues. We all need to do our part in helping each other stay healthy and safe. Blessed be and good health to all of you.
I actually really enjoyed this. I am pro-vaccine but I also believe that people should have choices and understand that this is a super complex issue. I had a bad reaction (allergic but not anaphylactic) to a certain vaccine as a young adult. It made me afraid to vaccinate my kids since we did not know what ingredient my reaction came from. Thankfully my family doctor was good at discussing risk versus benefit for each individual vaccine and each child. We both agreed to space things out and pay close attention to possible allergic reactions for each shot. We eventually got the kids fully vaccinated (minus the chicken pox shot which is what I reacted to).
If every doctor was like your doctor much of anti-vax group wouldn't be anti-vax. Like that is literally what I want to do with my future kids, space things out and avoid the flu shots since I had a reaction to that.
When I was 13, I choked on food. I stopped eating as I didn’t want to increase my risk of choking again. Join me and stop eating, don’t feed your children either, as they might choke aswell.
Food is just part of a big conspiracy from the big food chains and the government (which is in reality composed of big, gluttonous panda bears disguised as politicians). Your body doesn't need food, I read it from some random guy's blog online, and I trust him. Now I'm anti-food. Get informed, sheep!
My mom almost decided against vaccinating me. She only changed her mind when the doctor looked her in the eyes and said “the saddest thing I’ve ever seen was an infant with whooping cough. We couldn’t explain what was happening and they just kept crying. I don’t want you to see that.”
I don't know why this reminded me of this but it did so I'll share. My mother was having a hard time giving birth to me so they called in a specialist. She (according to the story) didn't acknowledge my father and walked up to my mother and grabbed her hand. She said something like "we're going to do a C-section. Ok?" And my mom said yes or some variant. It saved both my life and hers. It's good to be educated especially when you have time, but folks doctors know what they're doing and most if not all want to help you. Educate yourself, but you need to trust your pediatrician and any other medical professional before you see them, as in you need to know you can rely on them to do what's best.
@@skylarj3374 yeah from what I heard it was dope. It's one of the main reasons I trust medical professionals, because no matter how much we think we know our bodies, in the end 9/10 the doc knows best.
Since vaccination has put vaccine preventable diseases at the verge of elimination, the fear of such diseases has also decreased. So, people are undermining the importance of Vaccination.
all that was on the decline cdc evidence suggest through statistics because of natural herd immunity before vaccines. the measles? where you have a less that one percent of one percent chance of dying, almost the same with the mumps and rubella. you have a better chance of dying from the common flu, cold, pneumonia, medication, or just staying in the hospital from nurses not following the seven rights for medication. pharmaceutical drug related deaths average almost 380k a year. . and why does a baby need a hep B shot if the mother of father didn't carry, hep B is only transferred through sex and bodily fluids, polio was common but fear mongering was used just like the H1N1, Ebola. it isn't necessary, think about it you only here about something political, medical and terror thereats when theirs an agenda after its goal is accomplished you dont here it again and the media focuses on something new, all these things existed before and will after but its not really serious in comparison to other REAL threats. do your home work not be sheeple like the rest of Americans.
don't stand on her grave like that to make a statement bro , look up all the case of children dying who still got vaccinated and died because of a reaction . and majority of the time other than immigrants its those who carry the antigen who spread it to others and also contract it themselves. im not anti medicine but honestly some doesn't work and scientist along with GOV need to go back to the drawing board instead of using 30 year old methods that still raise questions in health and safety. im pro group, not select individuals. plus get the full story cause she might of been already sick then contracted it then died due to the result of an already compromised immune system. remember less that 1% or 1% die. thousand used to get it but less than 1% of 1%.
@U bro its called google and due diligence. like most sheeple , after being provided with evidence and links and having lengthy conversations all you guys do is bait people in and waste their time. cause yall pretend to be interested then HEAR the person to reply but Not LISTEN to understand. so and like most even if evidence was right before you, the lack or mental mechanics, intellectual understanding of statistics and graphs and scientific literature is hard when most cant be unbiased, objective, and without prejudice to even begin to hold a unique in influenced thought. plus most cant overcome their EGO. that why most listen to educated fools like some doctors who never studied about vaccines but tell you there safe.
@U because politics is what passes bills that approve of these practices and also provide funding and tax cuts to big pharma. but dont pick apart the convo. its seem like your a little kid trolln on here now cause by the lack of understanding and the false sense of understanding.....like a cloak of competency. this rebuttal is really getting old and your lacking common sense right now. peace sheep.
@U yeah 0.0001% of Americans have it now. WOW! the flu has killed more just this year but theirs not a single main media outlet that would say it. hummmm. agenda , agenda, fake news!
Becoming a parent doesn’t grant you a medical degree or make you a therapist. You’re well-intentioned but to say that you know what will or won’t hurt your child from a medical standpoint better than someone who has spent their life studying medicine…no, you don’t. Respectfully, you don’t.
Dr. Robert Malone, the creator of the mRNA vaccine, also had serious concerns about its use as a Covid vaccine. Respectfully - I tell you that maybe you should have been listening to what he had to say - along with the long list of experts who weren't "anti-vaxx" but who had serious concerns about this particular one: you should also ask yourself why on earth were they never allowed air time to voice those concerns?
@@jackspring7709respectfully, I’ll trust the other thousands of doctors who say otherwise :) also, he didn’t “invent” the mRNA vaccine, he was a minor contributor among hundreds of other scientists, though I don’t blame you for this one, because research literacy is a very niche skill.
@@Aplaxta you’ll be the one crying after your child gets a decease from another unvaccinated child, not us (I really hope that it will not happen to your child, but you yourself make it more likely to happen)
@@DillaVesperia ah ah ah, Disorder. That distinction is very important. that child is not diseased, they have a disorder. that can be very disheartening for people with the disorder. Unless they actually do have one of the diseases, then they're probably gonna die in todays world...
My mom wasn’t vaccinated as a child and she had measles, chicken pox, scarlet fever, mumps and all you could imagine. She talks about how Awful it was always being sick bc her parents didn’t believe in vaccines. She vaccinated me and I am healthy. Without the smallpox vaccine there could be people Dying still from smallpox. But there isn’t bc there was a vaccine created. VACCINES WORK!! Edit: OMG! How did I get this many likes lol!!! Never gotten his many before!
Not to take away from your point but scarlet fever doesn't have a vaccine so that really wasn't preventable and chicken pox likely didn't have one yet depending how old your mom is. But yeah the rest your grandparents easily could have prevented.
I once had a nightmare where Antivaxxers took over the UN and banned vaccines and Autism. Then there was a knock at the door. I woke up before I could open the door.
@@aryabiss9445you can just withdraw autism as a mental disorder, just like they removed slaves wanting to run away from their owners as a mental disorder (of course the two aren't comparable whatsoever, just an example of mental disorders being reclassified).
@@MariaKiran1 with all due respect to Dr. Mike, these people have chose to believe their own "research" over scientific medical opinion. I don't think the doctor's words would knock sense into them.
With all due respect once you are an antivaxxer and you know the truth it doesnt matter who is in the video. Once you know the truth, you never go back. There are thousands of doctors that are also anti vax so your theory that our opinion is less medically valid than yours is pure fantasy. In reality provaccine science is corrupted science. Apparently a lot of people are comfortable with hearing this because they never dig any deeper than main stream medias stories to find out. If it were my kids life on the line, i would be concerned with the possibility of there being some truth to what antivax parents are saying. I would want to be positive before doing that to my kids . antivaxxer will never be provax again because they KNOW that pharmacuetical companies are liars and doctors are the 3rd leading cause of death in the US and unfortunately most of all, many of us found out first hand what I said is absolutely true. BUT you go ahead and trust them, your choice and your right to at least we know, we tried to warn you.
Kabir Basu both are useful, it depends on the audience that you are talking to, with these people talking about medicine with a bunch of big fancy words using personal anecdotes are useful. If you are talking about more down to earth, less big words, topics than stats are a lot more helpful.
@@riserevelation8471 Yep yep, most people are more convinced by anecdotes, especially if they can evoke emotion. But as soon as someone starts to use emotion to try to convince me of something, I lose interest real quick, untill they start using data. Of course this doesn't mean I've never been convinced by anecdotes in the moment, but if given the time to think about the arguments, I'd almost always be more convinced by the data.
Kabir Basu i agree with you, there is a fine amount of emotion that should be used when making an anecdotal argument, if the entire argument is ruled by emotion than people will just tune it out.
It's good you understand the data and statistics. As a scientist, I want to know those. But I grew up with all the family stories of relatives suffering and dying of now preventable diseases. Those are facts, too. It's good to have true individual stories to tell that supplement stats for those who don't understand them. Most people don't know anybody who has had a preventable disease. It hits home when you've witnessed the fear of you or your child being infected with something horrible.
Every time I get a tetanus shot, I get really bad aches and a fever for a couple days, but I still get one every 10 years because I'm not an idiot. I'll take the crappy couple days for something that could save my life
I haven't had a tetanus shot in about 30 years, never had tetanus. It's a bogus vaccine that you don't need unless you're constantly surrounded by rusty metal. Kinda like how they give newborns hepatitis vaccines that are only really received from sexual intercourse and needle sharing. Must suck to be so fucking brainwashed.
onetimeontheriver dealer the baby could get hepatitis from family who unknowingly have hepatitis and it doesn’t have to be from sex. It’s protecting the child. Even if the likelihood is low , why not try to protect your kid if you can, it’s not 100% but it’s better than risking something preventable
@@onetimeontheriverdealer4405 all these fake illnesses are invented by evil corporations so they can sell us more vaccines and medicines. Think about it have you ever seen bacteria? no because they don't exist. oh and don't forget all the mind control agents they put in vaccines. Some people even believe we went to the moon. do you even anti-vax bro?
@@adrienne2838 Because the odds are so unfuckingbelievably low that it's actual insanity. Maybe if the baby was born into a family that lives in a crack house you might have a point but otherwise no. Even if they were to come into contact with someone that had the disease, even then the odds of it actually being transmitted to the baby are astronomically low.
onetimeontheriver dealer and the odds of something life threatening happening from a vaccine are also low so why not, and in adulthood the human may be in greater risk than in infancy, either way it’s gonna be a good idea to get it at some point
I have an immune disorder and even though I couldn't get vaccinations I made sure that my child did. I weighed the pros and cons and decided it was worth the risk. As my daughter reached highschool I let her decide for herself. My friend decided not to vaccinate her child. We had heated discussions about the topic over the years and just agreed to disagree. However am deeply saddened that my friends daughter passed away a few years later at the tender age of 15 from Meningococcal meningitis. My beautiful friend was so distraught and said "You were right...I should've listend." I this was a time where I truly wished I was wrong 😪. On the flip side one of my daughters fellow students a top gymnast started with seizures emediatley after she was given a vaccine at school. These seizures never went away and progressed. Now she requires 24/7 care as she has 6 - 10 seizures a day. I know whatever decision we make as parents is in the best interests of our children. There is no right and wrong in this. But I do believe we should be given a choice.
The problem with "choice" is some choose poorly. That results in continued presence of these organisms in the public space which in turn drives new infections and subsequent illness and death. You know lepers were once driven from their communities because of the threat they posed to others. There is no supposed "right" that allows for individuals spreading of vaccine-preventable diseases. As a final thought allergic reactions reflect a problem with the individual and not the vaccine per se which is merely a "trigger".
@@varyolla435 You do make a valid point and I agree. It's a question of ethics and morals really at the end of the day isn't it. Ethically and moraly I believe it is wrong to force someone to put something into thier body. Your body should mean it's your choice. On the flip side it is Ethically and moraly wrong for someone to place other peoples lives at risk. Moraly we as a society need to place our own health as well as those around us as priority. While I swing more to the pro Vax side I do also have some understanding on why some prefer not Vax. Education is key I believe.
@@natahliak7691and too, you can be for some vaccines, wary of others and against others. That doesn't make you antivax. I chose not to get the covid vaccine. With more data that has come out, I'm ok with my decision. For others, they've made a different decision and that's their choice. I don't vilify a person one way or the other.
I was so mad at the woman who said that a 10-minute visit to the doctor can't make up for how well a parent knows their child... Guess what almost 10 years of education in the field of medicine make up for it when it comes to MEDICAL DECISIONS, online research isn't a medical degree and it is part of the job and responsibilities of a doctor to be able to think of what's best for each individual patient of theirs, otherwise everyone who had the same illness or symptoms would be treated the exact same so like what's even her point??
As important as education is also EXPERIENCE. Doctors see tens, hundreds, thousands of the most common cases, so yeah, a 10 min visit can be 9 too many. I'm sure she knows something because of experience, a noise in the house or a "tell" on one of her kids that she knows from experience what it means, well then add 10 years of studying and you get doctors.
Yeah, I was like "what does that even MEAN?" So every parent knows their kid well enough to be absolutely certain that it will or will not get a dangerous disease? That's beyond ridiculous.
It's not bad to look at things online so you have a basis to start the conversation with your doctor (i.e. knowing which symptoms to document). However, you should only get insistent if they are completely blowing you off. That's when it's time for a second opinion.
The internet is pretty useful. I caught onto the fact that I was deficient in vitamin b12, and that my body doesn't store it properly 3 months before my doctor did. All she did was confirm it with a blood test. You can have all the knowledge in the world, but if you don't how to relate that information to your patient or coax it out of them, it's useless.
Patients have to self-diagnose all the time. Their experience is severely limited, but extremely valuable. Patients need to trust their doctors, but for the process to work well, doctors need to be able to trust their patients. It's just that good chunk of patients can't be trusted. Hypochondriacs, wild imaginations, medical rumors blown out of proportion like the anti-vax craze...
@@manguy01 When you search stuff on Google it usually gives examples of the WORST possible scenario. I once hit my temple on a car door and was curious how long the pain was going to last and if I had anything to worry about. The first article was about cranial bleeding and brain swelling and if it wasn't treated within the next couple of days then it would be fatal. This was 2 years ago. I'm obviously still alive. I will never self-diagnose because I didn't spend 6 years in medical school. If you think you're truly sick then go to a doctor, they're the experts. Don't look up shit and convince yourself you have stage 4 brain cancer when you've had a headache for 10 minutes.
Dr. Mike is unbelievably genuine, and unlike Dr Oz and other medical personalities, I would trust him and his opinion with my life. His background led him to be a lot more grateful for his education than the average doctor. I believe he took full advantage of his time in medical school and I think his knowledge shows that clearly.
Holy F im cringing every time she say "Investigating vaccines". We all know her investigation is sitting on google finding the most ridiculous information that human race came up with
"In the end parents know their children best" This statement floored me when the mom said it. Sure, personality wise that's correct. A mom knows her daughter's personality and her likes and dislikes better than anyone. But if that kid becomes very ill or has a nasty fall off her bike and breaks her arm......knowing her favourite band-aid color or, favourite flavor of soup won't matter. These doctors have dedicated years of their life to knowing how to handle these situations.
I agree, but also on more than just what the child likes or not. I myself went through a rough faze in school where I would have headaches, stomach aches, feel nauseous and often thought i was either sick or something was chronically wrong with me. My mother brushed this off because "she was my mother and knew me best". She told me that i would be fine and should stop focusing so much on it because i was fueling it. Not long after i found out that i had depression though my doctor and that affected my eating habits as well as hydrating myself and sleeping properly. The fact that my mom brushed it off because she was used to knowing me best annoys me and could have saved me a lot of self-destructive behavior without knowing.
A parent knows their child best-always trust a parent when they say something about their child is different. But a parent can't know why the child is acting so different and how to fix it-that's where the doctors come in.
As someone who works with children, there aren't many parents left who even know their children on a social level. Or for that matter even care. Some (not all) of these same parents who claim to be anti-vaccination because they love their children and want what's best for them certainly have no problem dumping them off at daycare all day, even if they're sick, and couldn't tell you a damn thing about their child. While there are certainly individuals who are against vaccinations for their own valid reasons, there are just as many who do it because it's "trendy."
That's the argument they shreik from the rooftops. "I know my child best!" I had an antivaxxer tell me that and pissed them off pretty badly by replying "cool. You know what coffin color they will want then."
Hi Dr Mike. I had anaphylaxis as a result of my first covid jab (astro zeneca). As a Doctor was there, I was treated, so it was really unpleasant but dealt with. Here's my issue..... From some people I received a lot of abuse, when I explained that I didn't want to go for any more covid jabs due to the anaphylaxis, inuding someone who told me that I should have it because covid is worse than anaphylaxis! They had never had an allergic reaction of any kind.... I discussed the jab again with a doctor, once the zeneca jab had been withdrawn, and we talked about the risks, especially as I have chonic q fever and a lot of other conditions, some of which are autoimmune disorders. I was asked to have the jab in the hospital, had an allergic reaction again, but it was dealt with. Bullying is wrong, open communication is key. Much love from the uk.
Exactly. The authoritarians who pushed the Covid vaccine have never apologized or admitted wrong doing. They destroyed the medical communities credibility and now think it’s weird people don’t trust them
I still can’t get over them saying “ in my research” when trying to argue w people who went to med school... which in this case does make them more knowledgeable lmao
Biased easy-to-read articles are not on the same level as unbiased, real science research and medical journals. Ofc I don't expect Karens to understand the scientific language used in medical journals ... Karens don't understand what the concept of actual scientific research is, their definition of research are google searches and facebook posts.... It's hard to argue with someone who is blissfully ignorant imo
"Their research" is exactly this below, ( Confirmation Bias ), because they are not looking for info that discredits their anti-vaccine belief.. they only look for info that confirms it. Confirmation Bias Definition: To seek out and favor evidence that confirms one’s pre-existing beliefs or views. May also include the cognitive tendency to resist or disfavor evidence that is contrary to one’s pre-existing beliefs.
This is such a 1st world problem. I live in Kenya where there is no question to not getting vaccinations. You can still see people who have been afflicted by polio. The government have polio programs where public health officials go around giving oral vaccination for polio. I teach Biology at a school and when I teach about vaccination and bring up anti vaxxers my students think they are crazy.
Dean Randolf we’re not saying you’re not allowed to do it, we’re just using our first amendment rights to point out that you were being kinda unnecessarily rude
@@drakedespain9924 , I wasn't telling you not to say it. Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should do it. Besides, you catch more flies with honey... People are more open to hearing your side of things when you aren't cursing at them anyways, but you do you lol
@@drakedespain9924 "It's not a first world problem fuckhead." Failed to follow up your assertion there, waste of characters. "Just because a country makes more money than another doesnt mean that that richer country arent allowed to have problems." Off-topic, OP never said otherwise. "If you make a million a year you still have problems, they're different problems, but everyone always has their own issues." Great, it's a first-world problem, glad you now agree with OP. You don't socialize much do you? "First amendment right", you're a product of failed parenting and excessive internet usage.
Man I'm so glad there's nuanced videos like this out there! Not only cause I can't imagine a better way to appeal to the anti-vaxxers and possibly change their minds than what you did here, but also because you set the right example for pro-vaxxers to treat the anti with respect and understanding, just so wholesome I love it
At the end of the day, Anti vaxxers are still retarded and basing their values/belief on very very very rare exceptions. Which is fallacious and retarded.
Thank you to the man who Brought up Juvenile Ideopathic Arthritis. And the treatment. I have it and have been on methotrexate since I was 2. It helps keep it under control, and I am so happy , that his daughter can move again.❤
I had it in the 70's and 80's starting at 3yo. No methotrexate. It went away at 17 (thank goodness), but a lot of damage had already occurred, alas. So happy for you.
I am personally strongly pro vaccine because of an old friend. Her mother was an anti vaxxer. Her mother was the typical activist that does 15 minutes of research and would argue with doctors. But her daughter had no opinion in this. She couldn’t get one even if she wanted one. When she went to Puerto Rico for vacation, she cut her ankle on a sharp tree branch in the forest. It was not clean. And her mother refused to have her the tetanus vaccine. Her father wanted but her mother would not allow it. Weeks later, she died of tetanus, the doctors couldnt do much because it was already too late. If the mother had just given her that vaccine, it would’ve saved her life. But it didn’t and the price was the cost of her only daughters life
Teaching people, especially kids, HOW to do research in today’s day and age is so important. The internet can be such a strong force for either good or bad depending on this
A lil late for this response however - Peoples definition of "research" is misconstrued. Research is looking at both sides, the risks, benefits... What has happened and the statistical analysis of it actually happening, but also looking at the pro's, like the high likelihood of preventing a disease that, in the past prior to vaccines, destroyed lives. If you were going for a vaccine for a common cold, then no... You should not be forced into this, however a vaccine for a disease that has killed hundreds of thousands to millions of people should be considered ontop of the risks of side affects. Research the side affects of a vaccine, research the likelihood of something happening, then decide whether that % chance of getting said side affect outweighs the benefits of a preventative of getting said virus. Instead of actually doing this, people read one post, or a handful of posts that show the bad, but fail to actually understand the chances of it happening compared the chances of getting the virus and then the chances of survival if you get said virus. I am in full support for people making their mind up, but they need to put more effort into research and be happy to actually do real research by looking on both sides of the spectrum before making a decision that could effectively affect another life. A good example for me, I take medications due to Chronic Pain. All my medications I get given then I research the side affects, what happens when mixed with other medications that I take, the risks and the benefit. two tablet may cause fits in super rare cases, so taking them together will cause those side affects to be less rare, but then I also look whether or not it is beneficial for me.
That’s not true, I looked for a popsicle brand both my sister and I loved as children and there’s not one google entry about it😅 It’s like it never existed.
I think the main problem with doing your own research is that research is a skill. It's very difficult and takes a long time to develop to do it well but it's very easy to do it poorly.
So you die later guaranteed while in pain or you take the risk of living longer without the pain/dying on the table while already knocked out..........I’ll take my chances of dying on the table. Unless circumstances state otherwise.
she’s telling a doctor, who literally went to school to study medicinal science and who has done research about the best and safest medical treatments to help people and to prevent possibly fatal illnesses/diseases from forming, that he is wrong about the possible side effects of vaccines..
exactly ! as medical student a lot of her statements made me cringe ... I see a lot of anti-vaccine people saying they don't understand why a vaccine would be a better option ... then go study biology for a few years and you'll be able to understand perfectly !
"I know my kid better than someone who sees them twice a year for 10 minutes" K Story time When I was 16, I had something wrong with me illness-wise. My family just played it off as a fever, even though I had red spots all over my body afterwards. My family finally brought me to the doctor because I literally got kicked out of school at that point. My family and I after lots of internet searching, couldn't find anything. In the hospital, my doctor, who only sees my for 10 minutes twice a year, within 2 minutes: "You have Scarlet Fever." The doctor I see twice a year for ten minutes saved me from a potentially lethal disease that my family couldn't do anything about for days.
Wow! My brother had scarlet fever when he was little and it was really scary, and also because I had just had strep throat so I had a really high chance of getting it too and then we’re allergic to the main medicine that’s used to treat it
Let me tell you a story. I went to a doctor to get tested for Strep Throat. The doctor said I had no strep throat. Every kid who sat next to me in class got strep throat.
Hello Dr Mike ! I was hoping that you can talk about birth control. I’ve heard that there isn’t many long term studies about birth control which worries me because people claim that it is very unnatural and eventually will harm your body.
My problem with people doing their own research is the fact that they'll usually only listen to information that supports their already bias that is cemented in their brain before hand
That doctor that told the personal story about his daughter is the most respectable person in the whole video. He was calm and collected, and deescalated the conversation.
From what I gathered, he works in intensive care. Those doctors are perhaps some of the most calm and collected people I have seen in my entire life, second to maybe anesthetists.
I agree that he was calm and collected, but I would encourage you to watch the whole video, because several people (on both sides) worked to keep things calm throughout the stages of discussion.
Amirus no, because until we have a vaccinated population everyone who contracts COVID-19 gives it to 2.5 people. Accept the vaccine when it is available, you will slow the high-risk population from getting exposed in the first place. (Obviously if there isn’t enough vaccine to go around the math changes and you need to trust the recommendations of epidemiologists)
It's kind of annoying how the two anti-vax mom's can't seem to shut up long enough to let anyone else talk, or are constantly talking over them or interrupting them, telling them they're wrong. Like if you're having a debate, and you have to constantly interrupter and talk over your opponent, and you're clearly not listening to what they have to say even though I think that the pro-vaccine people seem to be listening to the anti-vaxxer's concerns before responding to them, then your argument probably isn't as valid, and "right" as you think it is.
The other anti-vax person is worse. The doctor believes in a alternative vax schedule that is viewed as unsafe by the CDC. Because of this he is responsible for a massive outbreak of measles “In 2008, Sears' "intentionally undervaccinated" seven-year-old patient was identified as the index patient who started a measles epidemic in 2008, an epidemic which was the largest outbreak in San Diego since 1991. The epidemic "resulted in 839 exposed persons, 11 additional cases (all in unvaccinated children), and the hospitalization of an infant too young to be vaccinated.
Kind of annoying that pro-vaccine propagandists diminish my plight. They don't know anybody with autism, they think it's how it's portrayed on TV and in movies. Not even close!
@@kedricktheheadtripMusic I know myself fairly well and I sure as **** am not this way because of vaccines. And you know what neither are you. Sorry but science is not subject to any subjective reality neither yours nor mine, and there's no scientific proof whatsoever of any link, nor even any correlation, between autism and vaccines.
@@Berserkism your response is stupid , do you think these moms did even .005% of the reading that the doctors have to ? They didnt get properly educated on all the different aspects of the medical field that are required to make an informed decision. I can almost put my house on the fact that they only read articles explaining things and not actual studies. And when your looking for articles to back up your thought process your going to find them
I used to cry and hide as a child when I had to get vaccines and thought that I was somehow being punished. Now, I’m very glad that my parents got me vaccinated. After my mom told me about the symptoms of tetanus at around 12 years old and compared what tetanus does to a person versus just getting one jab that’s over quickly, I started to think differently about vaccines. I knew that it wasn’t to hurt me, but to protect me and others who can’t get vaccinated. (Newborns, people with certain autoimmune disorders, etc.) My parents went through chickenpox and other things as children that I never even had to think about as a kid. As somebody who’s turning 26 next month, I’m no longer scared of vaccines and even used to get B-12 injections weekly at one point because although I eat red meat, my body doesn’t break down the B-12 vitamin very well for some reason.
My grandpa had an allergic reaction to a flu shot and was paralyzed for a year. He had an allergic reaction, but my parents still get me vaccinated and I’ve never had an issue. The issue is he’s had a reaction, but that’s so slim compared to the immense help vaccinates do
Most people don't realize allergies are typically not inherited, especially for something as "inorganic" as a vaccine. An allergic reaction is essentially the immune system getting worked up into a frenzy over something that isn't going to harm the body. And usually anti-vaxers think that just because they had a bad experience once or their friend did, that somehow their kid is going to have the exact same one.
This is true for me, I had a reaction to the whooping cough vaccine, I still have my kids having it. The nurse didn't believe me when I refused whilst pregnant as I had it whilst in high school due to an outbreak.
Reactions happen, reactions can happen with literally every medical procedure. They can even be prevented. As a nurse, we are supposed to educate you about the signs of a reaction so that you can get early help.
My grandma was talking to me about the siblings she lost to polio and how seeing people talking like this today pisses her off. People today never had to go through something like that which is why they have this stance.
Conventional Sims That would make a powerful video. Actually talking to people who experienced life before vaccines would maybe give people some perspective.
My parents were born in a time when lots of children died from childhood illnesses. My dad survived polio. And then came the vaccines and the cemeteries stopped filling up with children. And people didn't have to have 15 children just so some of them would survive to adulthood. Anti-vaxxers really should take a stroll around an old, pre-vaccine cemetery sometime.
Sadly, however, they don’t just endanger themselves and die out but also endanger their young kids who don’t know better or others and deplete herd immunity. Fucking selfish ideology.
So true I wanted to hear more from the pro-vaccine More and the anti a LOT less but of course they got to interrupt and say “no,no” when they disagree and then go into a big rant of “oh your numbers are off” and “well I have arthritis now” do you even have proof that, that happened due to the vaccine you had or just spouting whatever you feel because you couldn’t find the source? Utter nonsense. Also what happens to the kids with auto-immune disease who get polio and measles? Gonna blame that on other kids who get their vaccines? Shouldn’t you want your kids protected from a early death due to stupid decisions?
@@NightmareKrys They do, actually. Blame kids with the vaccines, I mean. I had a discussion on Quora with an anti-vaxxer who was absolutely convinced her son had gotten the flu from his friend who had just gotten the flu vaccine. Because "He was shedding the virus and also got sick".
During when the covid vaccine was being rolled out, a lot of us at Oxford working in the hospitals were recruited to have some of the first vaccines as part of the trial. I had mine beginning of feb 2021. I asked a couple of new colleagues if they wanted it so another colleague linked to the trial could sign them up. One said yes and was signed up straight away. The other said no. I automatically thought he was an antivaxxer. He explained he had a bad reaction to an MMR vaccine so his doctor told him to be careful. I felt so bad as he would have said yes otherwise and explained because there’s this air around antivaxxers who make those who have valid reasons to say no until they speak to their doctor and check if it’s okay to have the vaccine is an excuse to not to get vaccinated for the general population
And now we see there's also side effects of the covid vaccine. Many people I know will never get a booster or be complied to get a vaccine again because of their reaction
My son is not vaccinated but I'm not anti-vax. We dealt with a lot of medical problems with him as a newborn. When we brought up his father's serious allergies to several vaccines (he almost died due to his reactions) with my son's doctor we decided as a team to not vaccinate. I worry about this decision a lot. It was a huge struggle for us as parents. We had a baby who was already very very sick, often in the hospital, and very vulnerable. I will always remain pro-vax, despite my son's specific circumstances.
Your son's health & the child of the anti-women in this video are why I, someone who has had no adverse health affects or family history of them, will always get my vaccines!
Personally(And Im no doctor) as long as you teach and practice good hygiene,and don't visit and 3rd world/developing countries Im sure your son will live a healthy life.
Don't they have tests for allergies? It seems that there are many different vaccines available with different ingredients. If they test for and are aware of your son's allergies, it shouldn't be a problem figuring out which vaccines he would react to and which that he would not, right? Obviously there's a huge risk to injecting a vaccine with unknown ingredients into a kid with unknown allergies. Probably an allergy panel should be performed on all children before they are vaccinated to avoid this situation that your son's father experienced. It seems to be the smart thing to do. And if there is no vaccine available that someone would not react to, then obviously they should not have to be exposed to that vaccine.
@@neinno8172 not one of them had proof of this. Nobody said: "what happened to me was on the list of side effects." The closest was: "I did my own research." Which, in many antivax circles, actually means "I googled a non peer reviewed article, written by an antivaxer, about a friend of a friend." My fiance got Type 1 Diabetes, at the age of 27 (when most people are too old to get it) and has absolutely no one in his family with an autoimmune disease, let alone Diabetes. Same situation as the lady with Arthritis (which I've had a Juvenile form of Rhumetoid, my entire life, and my grandmother got Osteo at 35... neither anywhere near a vaccine.) So in my life, specifically, I've had two similar situations to her, and a personal annecdote as to how she could have Rhumetoid, or Osteo Arthritis at her age, regardless of vaccine. I know that was just one of them, but for obvious reasons that's the one that resonnated the most, and a huge proponent to my previous comment: correlation =/= causation
@@paranoiarpincess If it had gone beyond the google search there wouldn't even be a reason to *not* name that specific research; if it's empirical/stands for something there's no reason at-all to *not* mention it; especially since it should be interesting to both vac and antivac if it has that merit/weight to bring to the discussion table; the fact she won't flat out mention what she found with source along proves she doesn't actually think strongly of that proof, or through experience should know why it shouldn't be considered proof for other already told her that.
@@paranoiarpincess I didn't say all their comments were causation, far from it. I'm basing it of what the doctor said, which is a slight fraction of a chance of a 'bad reaction' or side effect from taking a vaccination, which they anecdotally state happened. Proof that there can be side effects, or none at all? I have no idea, I haven't done 'my own research' so I'm basing it of what the 2 professionals stated was a possibility. I'm pro-vaccine, I'm just saying I think some people may receive bad/side effects from taking a vaccine, which is causation from taking a vaccine.
I got vaccinated for rubeola when i was a baby, yet I got rubeola when i was 14 years old. Neither my family nor I blamed "the vacc didn't work", it's just my immune was bad at that time. Still doesn't change my mind about getting vacc, a jab it is.
When the MMR first came out it was only one dose. It took some years to determine that 2 doses were needed to insure good immunity response. Meanwhile the Rubella vaccine is believed to last ~15 years for most. So developing Rubella 14 years later does not mean the vaccine did not work - especially if it was a mild case. Vaccines are not "100% preventative". They simply offer better odds at avoiding serious illness with milder side effects than catching what they prevent.
I've also had rubella, along with chicken pocks and measles. My immune system sucks but I'm still not dumb enough to be anti Vax. Have all my vaccines and boosters as do my children.
Many vaccines wear off in their effectiveness over time. I think a good question for a doctor about each vaccine is, how long does it last and when should I get a booster?
I had a crazy bad reaction to the MMR vaccine when I was a toddler. I still get all my vaccines. It's insane to me that people feel like it's some huge risk. It seems selfish to me 🤷♂️
As someone who can't have most vaccines due to anaphylaxis, I am completely for Vaccines. Herd Immunity is the only thing that will protect me and thousands of others
Well according to anti-vaxxers, you're not as valuable as their own kids OR consider you a lucky one since you won't catch the autism. It's an insulting notion either way. Just overly emotional hateful people.
I love the way you're educating us. Without judging, explaining every argument in a scientific way. Do what you do, because you're very inspiring and amazing!
I have to completely disagree with your statement. Doctor Mike appears to be the very reasons you find employee elevators in the hospital reminding doctors and nurses to be human towards patients. I have to go to work, and plan on responding and saying more in about 4- 5 hours. Science has its cult following. Science is a tool...psst, a tool. Not doctrine. I am not religious in the slightest. My kid has all her vaccines. Yes, Im gearing for a fight...this is years of douche VAXXERS shoveling sh!t around and they can't even hear the other side...so goes the juvenile two sided discussion. Doctor Mike does not seek to empower parents in the right direction. He repeatable hints at controlling and subjugating parents.
@@markstewart4501 I don't think, that you understood what I meant to say. I just wanted to thank Dr. Mike for educating me in a very hot topic- vaccines, and support him in doing so. As Family Guy wrote, I might use the word informing, but I found this video educating for me, so I don't see it as a mistake. I'm glad, that your child has all her vaccines , but I still don't see why you sort of attacked me, and had to completely disagree with my statement, which I didn't show in my comment. I haven't wrote, that vaccines are great or not. I just wanted to support Mike in what he does and I don't know how or why my comment irritated you so much.
@@SoulAlis Interesting. If I used simple words and suggested compulsion with out proper justification upon millions you wouldn't see that as aggressive?
As an executive in a pharma R&D corporation, I will say the adverse effects of vaccines are not appropriately highlighted and many are removed from the statistics and trial data as outliers when the % are higher than wanted. The study or trial specifications are just changed to reduce the unwanted data and include the wanted data. Once the trial is over only the “final” report is issued to the peer review. They have also cancelled trials in the middle of the process when the data is not positive. That trial is never presented.
Well they dont really teach selective publication and other publication manipulations in the education system hence these things do not really exist in the subjective world of the majority of the herd.
That seems like a problem with how we do and present vaccine trials, not a problem with vaccines. The public should have clear and accurate information on vaccines, but that doesn't equate to the core messaging of the anti-vax community. I wish we had that conversation before jumping to vaccines are conspiracy tools of control and destruction.
Dr. Mike, that paediatrician Bob Sears was being very careful in sharing his opinions. He is on 35 month probation for his unsafe practices. The county he practices in is significantly less vaccinated compared to others in the area. Anti-vax parents talk about him like he's a superhero.
Mike as a fellow doc that's watched your media trajectory it would've been very easy for you go down the fluff and money route so I'm very proud that you continue to tackle important topics with an intelligent and balanced approach. I believe you're making a huge impact for the better. I've even forgiven you for not knowing the mitochondrion is the powerhouse of the cell gag 😉
@@Daiems When you are using a pleb language where the singular and the plural article is the same , it's easy to be confused. That's the reason you should know the singular and plural of the word you think is wrong.
My mother has MS, and the "herd immunity" principle they're discussing helps keep her from getting diseases that could kill her. Not vaccinating yourself or your children not only puts you at risk, but also immunity-compromised individuals as well.
@u wot m8 I agree with you on the first point because point of vaccines are to DECREASE your CHANCES of getting it. On the second point I assume you're talking about MORTALITY rate not INFECTION because the infection rate DID decrease after the introduction of the vaccine but if you're talking about the mortality rate it was lowered because of the use of technology like iron lungs that enabled victims to live longer, I have no idea where the hygiene part came from.
@@PkmnLovar Just look at LA. Homelessness, and trash is everywhere. This is leading to a rise of a disease that pro-vaxers have said was eliminated by vaccines. It's the fact that an environment that is clean can't harbor germs and diseases. My question is when you know that the bloodstream leads to the heart, which is one of the most sensitive parts of your body, why would you put the chemicals that are listed on the insert of a vaccine into the bloodstream? Bloodstream is different from injesting. Very different. I believe in the right to choose to vaccinate, or not to.
@@ProducerJames91 1.) A clean environment can still very much so harbor germs/diseases 2.) Because how else would you be able to receive the benefits of the vaccine if it doesn't somehow enter the bloodstream? 3.) Where did ingestion come into play? No one in this entire discussion mentioned ingesting anything 4.) Rock on, you believe what you believe! EDIT: My comment on his hygiene stance was that it did not play as big as a role as it was implied.
@@PkmnLovar I want to see an example regarding clean environments. Your response to #2 is exactly my point. There is a safety issue, I think. I brought up injestion because, for instance, aluminum can be injested safely by humans without causing harmful effects. I don't like that anti-vaxxers are seen as these evil people when they clearly have true scientific issues with vaccines.
@@ProducerJames91 1.) If you clean a lab room sterilize the entire room it can still harbor diseases/germs if they get introduced to it (contaminated) therefore requiring it to be sterilized again. 2.) I don't see a safety issue, from my understanding the chemicals are to sterilize the needle, and boost effectiveness of the vaccine. 3.) Within reason, and a lot of things are safely ingestible, WITHIN REASON. 4.) I agree evil? No. Ill-informed? Often. 5.) Scientific issues? Very few are scientific from my personal experience they are either religious or personal issues that they "claim" are scientific.
Bob Sears, the anti-vaccine pediatrician, got his license suspended after causing an outbreak of a preventable disease in the city he lives. You can look it up.
Yup. Measles outbreak in Southern California. 100% preventable. The thing that sucks is that it's not directly affecting the people who make the decision to not vaccinate your kid.
The biggest problem, and why you can never make ground in a debate with these people cause it’s like shadow boxing. As much as you can logically convince them something, they will do mental gymnastics and continually bring up points that back up their emotional state of being.
Just because you’re against the covid vaccines regulations and authoritarian aspects doesn’t mean you’re an antivaxxer. That’s what I’ve hated the most regarding the years of covid.
@@switzerlandful _"Quite a few"_ = doubtful....... What you really mean is a handful whose dubious claims where perpetuated by social media - which is a joke where morons congregate. p.s. - if you actually paid attention you would see whereby those who opposed things like mandates did so for ideological reasons and they typically had no background in infectious diseases/immunology/epidemiology. So their "opinions" did not count for much.
"my child had an adverse reaction to a vaccine, so they can't be vaccinated" So... Shouldn't you be advocating for others to vaccinate to stimulate herd immunity to protect your child?
Honestly that lady seemed like she felt attacked by people attacking anti-vaxxers... Her reasoning is incredibly stupid. She just feels like people judge her child. We don't. We want the other children to get vaccinated to help HER. Wish she doesn't get polio because of other idiotic anti-vaxxers.
thought the same. I also thought that she seemed very attacked or judged. And she maybe also has good reasons for it. I heard a few stories of parents whose children had adverse effects after vaccines and the doctors did not believe them, and I think that must be a horrifying situation. I still believe that you should definitely vaccinate and that the benefits are very high. But I think it is horrifying if doctors downplay issues or if they do not try to search for the cause of problems because they think the patients exaggerate stuff. The one women told her history of visiting many doctors because of her arthrities and no one looked into it enough to help her.
I hear the safety of vaccines all of the time, but when I hear someone say that they cannot take it, but everyone else should. Spells Bull * to safety. Heard immunity is this bull * mentality of others that believe the world is a near-perfect place. When instead, We have plethoras of people that run across the border everyday into the United States, Take international flights and land in the United States with ILLNESSES. COVID-19. bleh. There is a time and a reason for a Vaccine, there also ISNT. Because the law of nature works against us. The illnesses that are going to let us sit and rot in a bed for the rest of our life such as polio. is a GOOD reason to vaccinate. Something absurd such as the FLU, or Hepatitis is a dumb reason. Because we are breading SUPER BUGS.
@@cadebayerl8117 That is a pretty one sided mindset. With no other evidence other than their statement, at best, we can say both parties are at fault. But we cannot exclude the possibility that it is the fault of the parents for this apparent relationship between child and parent nor can we exclude environmental factors outside of both parties control that has lead to this and there is simply a lack of knowledge of this leading to a skewed perception on Nikolas's part.
What annoys me the most is that Melissa is anti-vax because her daughter can't get vaccinated so her daughter actually relies on herd immunity to not get seriously sick. Yes there are certain cases where vaccines are bad for a specific person but in my opinion I believe that this is all the more reason to be pro-vax because then you rely on herd-immunity to survive.
Precisely! I am a huge advocate for vaccination because I cannot be vaccinated. I have allergies but went to the great effort and expense to be desensitised. I have since been diagnosed with an autoimmune disorder that means I don't develop immunity. I rely on other people to keep me safe and unfortunately people are increasingly making decisions that put me and people like me at risk.
I'm glad that you added the part in the end where you mentioned that the people were not radicalized, because there are actual anti-vax-activists out there who believe in conspiracy theories and are hostile and sometimes even violent towards doctors and experts, as you mentioned.
Was anyone annoyed at how arrogant the anti-vax mothers were being? They were told a genuine statistic and opinion and they just shook their heads acting like they’re geniuses.
to be fair the stats are probably exaggerated to some extent, but that doesn't mean they're any less valid and worth considering (like I think Dr. Mike said 1/3000 or so instead)
I was irritated after the beginning when the redhead said a vaccine gave her arthritis because she was "too young to develop it", made me want to grab the woman and yell at her, "Explain that to me at 17 when I hadn't had a vaccine in over 2 years, Karen!" (That was when I was officially diagnosed with arthritis.) But the willingness to ignore than specialists story, too, about the child who had to lose all of his limbs to a preventable disease, also just irritated me further. How far does your head have to be up your ass to just ignore something like that, or statistics?
the doctor in the video was arguing not to give accurate statistics but to make up stories to sell vaccines. The moment they believe in this voodoo they think they are doing the right thing to cover up an injury etc and when a whole cult does that their statistics are completely unreliable and very far off.
That’s it! Where I live, there is no anti-vax vs pro-vax but when I see these lucky people who live in countries where they have easy access to vaccines turn their backs on them and play the victims... like so many countries and children would give anything to have their luck! It frustrates me so bad
Nelson Mandela (2002 Vaccine Conference) --“Giving children a healthy start in life, no matter where they are born or the circumstances of their birth, is the moral obligation of every one of us. I find it heartbreaking that 3 million people, most of them children, die each year from diseases that we can prevent with simple, inexpensive vaccines. "
@@Blondybeastfit I wish they knew how good they have it! Do they know the reason most of them are alive is because of the the same very vaccines they're denying their children!?
I feel like listening to any anti-vaxxer is BEYOND frustrating when you are from a third world country, rejecting vaccines comes from their privilege of living in a developed country that we most certainly don't have
People from third world countries know better than anyone how dangerous vaccines are since pharma loves to use them as guinea pigs. See, Im pretty sure they have caught on , and Im sure Africa probably doesnt appreciate Bill Gates giving them polio What a prick giving them the oral polio vaccine when we discontinued it here because it causes polio. More cases of vaccines der1ived polio exists today than the wild polio. So what is actually beyond frustrating is all of you just regurgitating the same old fake vaccine stories you have been told all your life and never looking yourself to see if there is any truth to what we say at all. But hey, dont listen to us. Millions of us are all just delusional parents. Ha ha
I think understanding the compassion here has helped me a lot. I think I previously fell into the camp of believing that all anti-vaxxers were simply ignorant or misled, but seeing that there can be the statistical unlikelyhoods that affect them so personally, I can see why this would become an emotionally charged issue for them that would lead them to believe differently than what statistics would show. I think understanding their perspective can help people like me to understand why throwing statistics at them doesn't help, and how compassion is the real way to connect with real people.
I "understand" a mass-murderer has a psychotic personality and perhaps incurred abuse as a child = yet they are still a murderer........ "Empathy" only goes so far. We still have to confront the real world impact of vaccine resistance and what it facilitates. _Cause & Effect_ still applies here.........
What did you think about the discriminations, human right violations, about the violently forced human experiment vaccinations, about all the threatenings and suppression hundreds of millions of unvaccinated people had to face in the last few years globally? How on earth could you people accept that other people were harassed, suppressed, threatened and discriminated by armed police forces payed by public money, by your corrupted nazi politicians, by your medical 'professionals'..: Did you really think it is OK ? Man.....
@@varyolla435 "Empathy" only goes so far. We still have to confront the real world impact of vaccine resistance and what it facilitates. Cause & Effect still applies here........." WTF are you suggesting provaxers fanatic zealot? Do you compare innocent, unvaccinated people who resist your crazy religion and human experiments to murderes and psychos? Man, obviously not all provaxers are the same. But the real provaxers, the aggressive ones are the worst kind of monsters, the real successors of Hitler.
"In the end, parents know their children best."
"I actually very much disagree with that statement. The closer you are in relation to the patient, the more likely that your bias is gonna be at play, and you're not be able to make an objective decision."
Love the way he politely disagrees and gives a logical explanation.
That's I respect Dr. Mike. In that situation I would've been "You know as much about your child as the Russians knew about Chernobyl in 1986, how'd that turn out"
Sam Shim My doctor knows me better than my parents
🥺so admirable
I agree with him, but not for the reason he gave
@@donnyshields4450 just curious, but what's your reason? 😶😊
"You're downplaying the risks of vaccines."
As opposed to downplaying the risks of measles, polio, smallpox, etc?
Exactly. There was a french doctor that showed what those diseases actually do... This is beyond frightening...
@@nhiko999 There was also the whole entire existence of humanity up until the point of the vaccine invention in 1796 to use as an example. I mean so many people died from diseases we can now cure and virtually eradicate. Why would that ever be a bad thing?
@@EOR2742 my favorite argument when discussing with an anti-vaxxer is when they say there were people around before vaccines. Whether that be because they buy in to the doctor conspiricy or to state if humanity was fine without them before then there child doesn't need it now. yes there were people around, but many of them also died.
Very very accurate. Measles can complicate as encephalitis, which has poor prognosis. Smallpox was extremely deadly; there was a reason it was the disease we first developed a successful vaccine against. Anti-vaxers who still claim autism is linked to vaccinations (despite it being disproven several times), how do they prefer polio or permanent damage/death over autism for their kid? There’s a very small group of people who cannot safely receive vaccinations, and rely on herd immunity. In my country, we are discussing not letting anti-vaxers (by choice) put their children in public kindergarten. It’s a tricky discussion with strong opinions on both sides. On a population scale, vaccines save more lives than they take by a ridiculous factor.
No one gets smallpox anymore. My risk for having no immunity to smallpox is zero. You know why? Because vaccines work so goddamn well we eradicated the virus. Smallpox and rinderpest are both completely eradicated.
This annoys me. I got meningococcal septicaemia when I was younger because a vaccination wasn't available. I had all 4 limbs amputated and if a vaccination had been available at the time I wouldn't have had to go through that.
Your voice should be heard in the whole world
You are a strong beautiful lady, love from México.
how are you typing?
@ArgoLyte its supposed to be sarcastic ya woosh
@ArgoLyte you know what sarcastic was not the word I meant to use mainly because english is not my first language. But the dingus part got to me ... I wonder about your tought process. let us have a conversation what lead you to make a second coment? what made you think adding that comment would be a good thing ? I dont click on peoples chanels because most of the time they make a profile just to coment on the videos they liked. Maybe you should also have tought about that.
OOOHH IZZY! I at first read this thinking it sounded like your story and wondered whether you knew of it, then look at the username😂😂 ILYSM! Your channel is super awesome! 💖💖💖
My grandmother was a polio survivor. she spent time in an iron lung and lost the use of her legs for the rest of her life. My grandfather lost hearing in one of his ears after a childhood bout of the flu. I had RSV at 2 months old, and have struggled with serve asthma my whole life. refusing to vaccinate your child against illnesses with common harmful side effects because of a one in a million side effect (or worse, a 'side effect' that has been THROUGHLY DISPROVEN) makes me enraged
If you're alluding to the massively debunked connection between autism and vaccination... I hear you! I was diagnosed ADHD in my 30s. My family suspected I was autistic for years before then. (ASD and ADHD can have overlapping symptoms.) Some of my more fringe relatives implied that my issues (that turned out to be ADHD) were caused by my childhood vaccinations. It's a good thing I wasn't present for that conversation cause I'd have had a tough time keeping my cool and debunking them vociferously. ADHD is genetic and I likely got it from my undiagnosed mother.
It also is a horrible thing to say to autistic folks, too. The implication is that they would rather have a maimed or dead child from a preventable disease rather than risk having an autistic child!
My grandmother was also a polio survivor. She was 100% Pro vaccine.
@@jessicaharris1608I'm autistic here and yeah, even if it were true, (figurative "you" incoming), you'd be choosing bringing polio to everyone like it's the 1900s again over being awesome and having a whole community of folks online who get it?
@@brennaweaver3974vaccines are just free Temple Grandin (obviously that’s not an completely accurate representation of autistic ppl but idk whether I’m more offended as an autistic person or as someone who believes in science)
😂 glad I could elevate your blood pressure
I’m allergic to penicillin. When I was given penicillin I had a really bad reaction. I don’t take penicillin anymore. Other ppl should still take it when needed bc MY experience is not the experience for everyone else. Isn’t that crazy!!!🤪
Same
Evan O'Dwyer I had to the same for the DTP vaccine - I was allergic to the illness Pertussis (whooping cough) to the point of if there is an outbreak I have to be quarantined. I had the rest of my vaccines and the rest of the DTP vaccine separated from the whooping cough bit in the hospital under supervision. But I will never not vaccinate because of my reaction, my kids will be vaccinated under close supervision because there are other people that need the protection just like I do from herd immunity
Im also allerguc to penicillin
@@rachaelevans8351 yes! This is how the people who have side effects from vaccines should be. It's okay to not take vaccines for VALID reasons, but they're assuming everyone's like them and telling everyone not to take vaccines. Never mind about coronavirus, these antivaxx people can wipe us out.
This was a little too funny because I’m actually legitimately allergic to amoxicillin (they don’t give me penicillin because they’re like sister drugs, very similar) 😂
There’s a saying that goes something like this “Winning an argument against a smart person is hard. Winning an argument against an ignorant person is impossible.”
ok boomer
I agree with you. At least a smart person is rational.
bruh never heard anything truer in my life. smart, rational people will listen to your points, combat them appropriately, and are always open to be educated. having an argument with a person who is ignorant is like trying to talk to a tree stump - you have to repeat yourself over and over again and they'll never listen to your points. it's incredibly frustrating.
@@ZmZm525 ok boomer.....the new catch cry of the terminally ignorant with no real argument to add to the debate. Let me guess, you think the earth is flat, dont you?
@@heatherrowles2580 It's a misplaced reply. It doesn't apply to this situation but it is a valid response.
I had a bad reaction to a vaccine.
My parents didn’t want me to have vaccinations since I was 2. I am now 19 and went to get vaccines due to going into nursing. They told me if I had any worries they would work with an allergist to make sure I wouldn’t have a reaction. Simply talk to your doctor instead of believing they are secretly harming you.
Anela Wright thats what we did with our immunocompromised child. She doesn’t get the vaccines when everyone else does, but with the help of an allergist we’ve figured out the best course for her while still keeping her and others safe.
EXACTLY
Anything medical is stupid and makes the problems worse
Ben Lewis
What?
Im not
Just imagine being the pro-vaccine doctor who probably has 15+ years of studying, looking at countless studies, and practicing medicine only for a wine mom with zero understanding of medicine to tell you "you're wrong."
Just imagine being a pro vaccine doctor with 15 years of studying and having COLLEAGUES who are also DOCTORS with 15 YEARS OF STUDYING who are anti-vax. I imagine it's a huge reality check of making you realise not every Doctor know what he's doing.
I;m a wine mom, and I wouldn't say "you're wrong." i just wouldn't take my kids to that doctor in the first place. all i want is for the doctor to agree with me and my needs for my children. that's all i ask. it's not asking too much.
@@dhsarah570 you don't want a doctor. You seem to want a yes-man instead.
Hey look, it's a random alphanumeric string username posting a blatant and easily dismissed logical fallacy. Sure is legitimate discussion in the comments section today.
exactly@@VDA19
It's difficult to win an argument against a smart person but it's even harder to win an argument against a stupid person.
That is 100% true.
Tempest once a stupid person has made up their mind, they ain't going back
Fool. The point is not to "win." The point is to get to the truth what you and the other person is aware of, OPENMINDEDLY.
replace stupid with stubnorn or closed ear
Tempest that’s not even true. You’re equating stupidity with stubbornness. Smart people can be very stubborn just like how stupid people can be humble or “opened” to new ideas
mellissa is right, her child shouldnt get vaccines, but telling others to not get vaccines as well, is wrong. its like saying, oh im allergic to peanuts, so you shouldnt ever eat peanuts because my daughter had a allergic reaction to peanuts. yes your child shouldnt get vaccines since theres a reaction to the body, but telling others, to not take vaccines is not right.
Agree people shouldn’t prevent others because of personal experiences
Agreed. Though I wouldn’t use this metaphor with anti-vaxxers. Just because we as a society DO ask other kids at schools not to bring peanut products so the kid with peanut allergies doesnt have a reaction.
I understand what your saying, but antivaxxers are very ______, so they can easy get confused.
my younger sister had a kidney reaction to a baby vaccine, and as a result, she had to be hospitalized for a few weeks, and she will not be able to get that specific vaccine again, and others that may have the same outcome. however, my family and I are still on vaccines. if my sister cannot get this vaccine, she is at risk of having this disease, and to avoid this it is necessary that the people who have contact with her have the vaccine. Get vaccinated to protect yourself, and those who for health reasons cannot be vaccinated.
took the words right outta my mouth 💯
Also, if anything, shouldn't she be encouraging others to get vaccines to create that herd immunity since her child couldn't get vaccines?
These "moms" take a personal specific case and think it can be applied to all cases.
It amazes me how these people think their sample size of one (without controls, data, analysis etc.) is greater evidence than 3 clinical study phases involving thousands... not to mention post-licensure monitoring of vaccine safety. They mention risk-benefit analysis but yet seem unable to perform such even when faced with expert opinion and evidence. Protecting kids from vaccinations is like telling a kid not to wear a seatbelt because it may cause bruising in an accident.
yes they have a bad effect to vaccines they think vaccine=bad
Wait I agree with your argument but the use of quotes around moms has me very confused
@@sashat3632 I presume it's to denot sarcasm and his personal opinion that they're not qualified to be parents.
Honestly I didn't believe for a second that woman has arthritis. Problem with their little anecdotes is how utterly vague they are
If your child has an autoimmune disorder you should be PRO vaccine, even if it means not vaccinating that child. You need the healthy children around your child to be vaccinated so they don't spread these preventable illnesses to yours
That's not the issue. The controversy isnt about weather a person should or shouldn't get vac instead, it's about weather or not it should be mandated and if people who refuse should lose their job or be jailed or fined into poverty.
calling an mrna gene delivery system a vaccine is the biggest misinformation.
everyone would be anti mrna gene delivery systemer
My best friend’s wife has Fibromyalgia and is anti - vaccine.
@@williampennjr.4448a mandate that is the direct result of the belief that you should be vaccinated and the fact that an overwhelming number of people didn’t want to get a vaccine for a potentially deadly virus that spread via person to person contact. Could you imagine if the number of people who didn’t want the covid vaccine would have been against the polio vaccine? We would have had millions of other people dead or in iron lungs and the virus would still exist and still be infecting people, but thanks to the vaccine and the mandates put in place and followed during its outbreak has literally eliminated the virus in the US. Guess where it isn’t eliminated? In certain 3rd world countries that didn’t have a vaccine and is only being treated and prevented by vaccines provided to them by the CDC as it’s goal is to eliminate the virus globally. Much like the Covid outbreak, polio also caused the government to close schools, public places, and also encouraged social distancing, along with the vaccine having potential side effects that included possible paralysis. Vaccination is nothing new, just as viral infections are nothing new, and the science behind their creation and use is pretty rock solid. Now if people who were unvaccinated couldn’t spread and infect others with the virus then vaccination probably wouldn’t be mandated, but it can and is spread by people so you put others at risk, not just yourself, when you remain unvaccinated during an outbreak of a potentially deadly virus…not sure what’s so difficult about that to understand.
Unless you study the information connecting the ingredients in vaccines and autoimmune issues.
"Safe-ish"
Ok, lady, so are airbags in a car. But if I'm about to slam 70 mph into a wall, I rather trust my life in something that's safe-ish than find to out if my body can live without a head.
Seat belts can cause injury but they do more good than harm!
Good fucking point
Amazing way to put it. Puts her reasonings to shame
B-but you see! My daghter suffrs from an aibag allargy. That's why airbogs should be ellegal! It is a unethical thingy and it interfers with the chemical molecular imbalance of the potassium levels within the ribosome as well as produces frequent anaphylactic reactions within a 5km radius.
I'd like to say that this is sarcasm and I actually DO BELIEVE IN AIR BAGS! Also:
1) I do not have a daughter
2) I purposefully put spelling errors in to imitate the breed of anti-vaxxers
3) This is meant to imitate the logic that anti-vaxxers apply to vaccines
4) Have a good day/night!
Chicken Schnitzel Wait are you sure you know what we are talking about? The airbags that inflate if you get in a crash so that you don’t bang your head. What your daughter allergic to?
My daughter has a severe egg allergy and many vaccines are suspended in a type of egg protein. I strongly believe in vaccines because I have an autoimmune disease and heart condition. So I as a parent took my daughter to a specialist who did all her vaccines in divided dosages and we stayed in the office for 2 hours after each dosage. She is now a healthy 14 year old and has outgrown the egg allergy and has had ALL of her vaccines 🥰
My sisters kid has a severe egg allergy. She's waiting for it to die off before vaccinating her child. She's not antivax, she's just waiting to vax.
Good for her, but, I’ve never heard of an egg allergy.
@@nomila7297 It can be just as severe as a peanut allergy. Look it up
Dee
That’s one thing I learned today
Nice!
doctor mike is extremely well-spoken. he's scientific enough to be factual, but relatable enough to be understood by all. well done!
bumblerat ;; I have a Bachelor Degree in Science, Cell and Molecular Biology; I am a former teacher (in my home country) of Human Anatomy and Physiology as well as Chemistry. I am a former Licensed Dietitian and I also have a degree and currently practice as a Doctor of Dental Surgery. I have taken several mandatory as well as elective courses in immunology, bacteriology, virology, biochemistry, histology, microbiology, genetics and alike. I am
a former research and teaching assistant at a graduate department of Neurogenetics at one of top US universities. I have spent 22 years of my life at school 9 years of which was university level. I am sad to report that when it came to vaccines they only taught us the vaccine schedule and literally nothing in regards to mechanism of action, the types and role of adjuvants, nor adverse reactions. I trusted that vaccines are safe and effective just like you. However, for reasons irrelevant to this discussion, I did my own research namely reviewing primary research literature published in JAMA, JADA, PubMed, etc as well as CDC’s website and their own research published there and I state in confidence that the truth is hidden in plain site and there is absolutely positively no chance that after researching vaccine ingredients you could still claim vaccines are safe. No chance. And by the way, to date, I have not been able to locate a single randomized, double-blind placebo study with a statistically significant sample size that would prove safety of any single vaccine not to mention when they are administered in combination or multiplicity at one seating thus completely disregarding any possible synergistic toxicity of such adjuvants.
Don’t be a sheep and do your own research.
@@martinap2682 "there is absolutely positively no chance that after researching vaccine ingredients you could still claim vaccines are safe"
So in other words, every doctor in the world is wrong, and you are right.
Martina P weird flex but ok
@@martinap2682 r/iamverysmart
To speak on a personal item regarding vaccinations, when I was in the Army prior to deployment to certain locations on the planet, the Small Pox vaccine is administered to deploying service members. I was given an indefinite medical exemption based upon certain and specific criteria; it became exceptionally important that everyone else in my unit carry an immunological response if that were ever introduced to the environment. In that regard, all of their immune systems had my immune system's back when we were deployed.
I am from Bangladesh, which is a third world country. Before WHO and the government stepped in, hundreds of kids used to die from preventable diseases like measles, small pox etc. My own cousin died from small pox at age of 2 because she didn't receive the vaccine on time. Hearing people in the 1st world country saying vaccines are harmful makes me really sad and angry at the same time.
Thank you for your testimony Jafreen. Unfortunately those who have never seen the effects of some of these terrible but preventable illnesses can never grasp the severity of it. They have the power of corrupted hindsight were they did not see the effects and assume all of these illnesses have been eradicated. They are the result of decades fighting preventable, through vaccinations, diseases.
I am not a fan of cliche"but those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it."
I think this is what people need to hear. We used to be just as vulnerable to disease, which is the whole point of these movements to get vaccines to kids all over the world... we were trying to give them what we had, that feeling of security in knowing that diseases that used to ravage communities were now a thing of the past. If such a miracle medicine exists, it's a moral wrong to give only to a few people. So we in the US are pretty amazed, too, that anyone would dismiss that astounding opportunity out of fear of a rare adverse reaction.
I'm sorry about your cousin, and she is one of the many reasons why I will be fully vaccinating my son. I cannot relate to your story, but I know that there are too many out there just like your cousin.
Not only do I have the privilege of living in a 1st world country, so I have easy access to vaccines, but I'm Canadian... so they're free. I would be a complete and total moron if I didn't take advantage of that. Sadly, I know people who think that because there are scary sounding ingredients (such as dihydrogen monoxide) in vaccines, that they're unsafe. Even the mercury used in some of them, thimerosal, is less dangerous than the mercury in fish.
Now, yes, there's risk associated with vaccines, but there is risk to everything, and an even greater risk when not vaccinating. There are outbreaks of measles in the US and some cases in Canada because people aren't vaccinating.
Completely agree with you. I grew up in a public school where some children was absent during vaccination day in my country and one of them ended up with polio because they didn't get vaccinated (it ran out).
I'm sorry u lost someone... Believe me... U can't reason with antivax people. It's just... Idk
Doctor Mike is right. I strongly disagree with the woman who said it's hard to trust a doctor who only sees your child for 10 minutes twice a year. Let me tell you why. I go to a specialist twice a year for my allergies. When she saw me, she noticed I looked very pale and tired. My mom, who is a nurse, didn't notice, even I myself didn't. The doctor did a blood test and it turned out I had anemia due to severe blood loss in my stomach, due to an inflammation. SHE SAVED MY LIFE! In the 10 minutes she saw me, only twice a year.
It's fine to question your doctor and discuss options. But I do trust my doctors too. If you don't trust your doctors.. find new doctors. I'm glad you're okay!
My new doc found out my allergies too and thought I WAS TOO WHITE the second she saw me which others didnt think.
Turns out I had a massively-severe vitamin D deficiency affecting my teeth and my immune system. Now without cavities and no more sneezing everyday! Now leading a way better quality of life without having to chug antihistamines like candy :)
She was more expensive than my other docs but I actually spent way less money and time with her than other docs.
My eye specialist immediately saw that I had a squint eye that somehow no one ever noticed? Just after the doctor said it everyone was like: ooh now that I look for it I can see you have a squint eye.
Doctors now what to look for, they studied the human body, they meet tons of people everyday that with the same or similar symptoms. They should anticipate how the body of your child reacts to something based on the medical history etc. It is not like every child is so special that somehow all that knowledge they have doesn't apply to them anymore and doctors become absolutely clueless.
It's true! I was having stomach pains and the second I walked through the door my doctor said "You have appendicitis, you're walking slightly bent to the right", made me get an ultrasound to confirm it and I was taken to the OR immediately to get an appendectomy. She saved my life🤷🏻♀️ and she knew it the second I walked in.
You posted this on the other video
What I don't understand is if your child cannot be vaccinated due to adverse affects, why would you then advocate for anti vaccination? Your child is now a part of the group that relies on herd immunity...advocating for anti-vax just puts your own child at even more of a risk...🤦🏾♀️
Their making everything the same so they are not left out.
It's so hard to get rid of your kid without people judging you these days
Becky Cepeda thinking that through the entire video
Because they care less about their child than they do about being considered an idiot.
I commented this once and an anti vaxxer told me herd immunity isn’t a thing and that vaccines don’t in fact work...they’re so deluded
In my opinion, I agree with Dr. Mike that no one should ever become anti-vaccine because of a negative experience themselves (as long as the vaccine has gone through the proper trials and is safe to use in general). Imagine if the kids with Polio had originally chosen not to take the vaccine; nowadays the illness is essentially gone because of the use of vaccines.
and it's coming back, along with smallpox, because moronic uneducated people who get their information from Facebook think they know better than science and medicine and DECADES of research.
I agree to a point, but if there are excessive "negative experiences" a research should be done on why are they happening and most importantly how to prevent them.
If we take one sided approach we can be sure medicine is deteriorating
@@BruhImAGirl they are re-evaluated. Like with the J&J Covid vaccine. They found out it had some small chance to cause something and it was looked at. The problem is that anti vaccine people will take that one negative thing and just run with it and won’t be open to the rest of that process.
Polio is actually resurfacing in the US, I wonder why.
If anything, having a kid who had adverse effects and can't get vaccinated should be MORE pro-vaccine. They need others around them to be protected since they can't protect themselves.
My sister nearly died as a baby because she caught whooping cough when she was too young to get vaccinated. It's important.
This is such a good example of why I want to be an educator and why I value education so much. I love that you emphasized how important that growth of knowledge is, especially in the medical field. 🙌🏻 You have a fantastic channel.
Educator or indoctrinator?
@@maplebob23 What you call it depends on your level of Education, or Indoctrination.
maplebob23 Educator. I would hope I’d have better morals than to cling to something without sufficient evidence or reason. If that became the case in any scenario, not just within this debate, I’d have to reasonably adjust my worldview. However, I do believe that at this point in time vaccinations are easily the best way to protect all people against preventable and widely catastrophic diseases when they’re properly researched and implemented. :)
@@iamf6641 people strongly recomend you dont smoke, yet a great percentage smoke as teens, hiding by the fact that at most it will kill them when they are 70, which we all know it is not true and yet people are against that fact and still smoke... So is that recomandation Indoctrination or Education to you
@@serxhio9 what smoke?
The mom who says that vaccines are safe-ish shouldn't use any medication I guess... ALL drugs have adverse effects even the most used medication so what's her point?
Caroline Deghilage Exactly! I was taking a medication called Lamotrigine that gave me Steven Johnson’s Syndrome. I was told it was a very RARE side effect of that medication and a statistical anomaly, but somehow I still ended up with a rash that would very quickly become necrotic. SJS is a terrifying rash that causes widespread necrosis and was incredibly scary to deal with as a teenager. Does that mean I don’t take medications when I’m prescribed them? Hell no. ALL medications come with side effects and we as a populous take them because the benefits outweigh the side effects.
This is so true.
Pretty much shouldn’t eat nor drink too
Driving or flying is also safe-ish. Maybe she should just keep herself and children locked away in the bunker for life.
Isn’t it funny how these people that don’t trust doctors will run to the emergency room for broken bones and surgery 🤔 they don’t trust vaccines that their doctors support but trust them to fix their broken bones 🤔
"parents know their children best" my parents didnt know I had ADHD, a mood disorder, or Ehlers-Danlos until a doctor informed them.
I am unable to take the flu vaccine without having a dangerous reaction to it. I have contracted H1N1 flu virus. It was the sickest I have ever been in my life. It took me months to get back to full health.
To everyone who recieves a flu vaccine each year I extend a huge thank you. I appriciate every person who gets vaccinated and helps lower my chances of catching the flu again.
I have been able to be vaccinated for everything else required in my life and my children have all been vaccinated without any issues. We all need to do our part in helping each other stay healthy and safe.
Blessed be and good health to all of you.
@@mareikeho7425 you have copied this comment from someone. I saw this comment.
@@naveennidhurshan6939 Yeah I saw it too
you had the eric the midget disease
My parents didnt know I had tongue tied until I was 10/11. Not as serious as the poster but hey they both have something wrong with speech.
I actually really enjoyed this. I am pro-vaccine but I also believe that people should have choices and understand that this is a super complex issue. I had a bad reaction (allergic but not anaphylactic) to a certain vaccine as a young adult. It made me afraid to vaccinate my kids since we did not know what ingredient my reaction came from. Thankfully my family doctor was good at discussing risk versus benefit for each individual vaccine and each child. We both agreed to space things out and pay close attention to possible allergic reactions for each shot. We eventually got the kids fully vaccinated (minus the chicken pox shot which is what I reacted to).
If every doctor was like your doctor much of anti-vax group wouldn't be anti-vax. Like that is literally what I want to do with my future kids, space things out and avoid the flu shots since I had a reaction to that.
When I was 13, I choked on food. I stopped eating as I didn’t want to increase my risk of choking again. Join me and stop eating, don’t feed your children either, as they might choke aswell.
Comment so good it doesn't need anymore replies.
I am now anti-food
Food is just part of a big conspiracy from the big food chains and the government (which is in reality composed of big, gluttonous panda bears disguised as politicians). Your body doesn't need food, I read it from some random guy's blog online, and I trust him. Now I'm anti-food. Get informed, sheep!
I once almost drowned, so now I won’t let me or my kids drink liquid.
I agree 100% of people who eat food die regardless of choking.
My mom almost decided against vaccinating me. She only changed her mind when the doctor looked her in the eyes and said “the saddest thing I’ve ever seen was an infant with whooping cough. We couldn’t explain what was happening and they just kept crying. I don’t want you to see that.”
10/10 from your doctor
you mom loves you huh
luckily the doctor allowed her to make the right decision at the time
I don't know why this reminded me of this but it did so I'll share. My mother was having a hard time giving birth to me so they called in a specialist. She (according to the story) didn't acknowledge my father and walked up to my mother and grabbed her hand. She said something like "we're going to do a C-section. Ok?" And my mom said yes or some variant. It saved both my life and hers. It's good to be educated especially when you have time, but folks doctors know what they're doing and most if not all want to help you. Educate yourself, but you need to trust your pediatrician and any other medical professional before you see them, as in you need to know you can rely on them to do what's best.
Radiator Bacon that’s an awesome story, your mom and that specialist are incredible
@@skylarj3374 yeah from what I heard it was dope. It's one of the main reasons I trust medical professionals, because no matter how much we think we know our bodies, in the end 9/10 the doc knows best.
Since vaccination has put vaccine preventable diseases at the verge of elimination, the fear of such diseases has also decreased. So, people are undermining the importance of Vaccination.
all that was on the decline cdc evidence suggest through statistics because of natural herd immunity before vaccines. the measles? where you have a less that one percent of one percent chance of dying, almost the same with the mumps and rubella. you have a better chance of dying from the common flu, cold, pneumonia, medication, or just staying in the hospital from nurses not following the seven rights for medication. pharmaceutical drug related deaths average almost 380k a year. . and why does a baby need a hep B shot if the mother of father didn't carry, hep B is only transferred through sex and bodily fluids, polio was common but fear mongering was used just like the H1N1, Ebola. it isn't necessary, think about it you only here about something political, medical and terror thereats when theirs an agenda after its goal is accomplished you dont here it again and the media focuses on something new, all these things existed before and will after but its not really serious in comparison to other REAL threats. do your home work not be sheeple like the rest of Americans.
don't stand on her grave like that to make a statement bro , look up all the case of children dying who still got vaccinated and died because of a reaction . and majority of the time other than immigrants its those who carry the antigen who spread it to others and also contract it themselves. im not anti medicine but honestly some doesn't work and scientist along with GOV need to go back to the drawing board instead of using 30 year old methods that still raise questions in health and safety. im pro group, not select individuals. plus get the full story cause she might of been already sick then contracted it then died due to the result of an already compromised immune system. remember less that 1% or 1% die. thousand used to get it but less than 1% of 1%.
@U bro its called google and due diligence. like most sheeple , after being provided with evidence and links and having lengthy conversations all you guys do is bait people in and waste their time. cause yall pretend to be interested then HEAR the person to reply but Not LISTEN to understand. so and like most even if evidence was right before you, the lack or mental mechanics, intellectual understanding of statistics and graphs and scientific literature is hard when most cant be unbiased, objective, and without prejudice to even begin to hold a unique in influenced thought. plus most cant overcome their EGO. that why most listen to educated fools like some doctors who never studied about vaccines but tell you there safe.
@U because politics is what passes bills that approve of these practices and also provide funding and tax cuts to big pharma. but dont pick apart the convo. its seem like your a little kid trolln on here now cause by the lack of understanding and the false sense of understanding.....like a cloak of competency. this rebuttal is really getting old and your lacking common sense right now. peace sheep.
@U yeah 0.0001% of Americans have it now. WOW! the flu has killed more just this year but theirs not a single main media outlet that would say it. hummmm. agenda , agenda, fake news!
Becoming a parent doesn’t grant you a medical degree or make you a therapist. You’re well-intentioned but to say that you know what will or won’t hurt your child from a medical standpoint better than someone who has spent their life studying medicine…no, you don’t. Respectfully, you don’t.
Dr. Robert Malone, the creator of the mRNA vaccine, also had serious concerns about its use as a Covid vaccine. Respectfully - I tell you that maybe you should have been listening to what he had to say - along with the long list of experts who weren't "anti-vaxx" but who had serious concerns about this particular one: you should also ask yourself why on earth were they never allowed air time to voice those concerns?
@@jackspring7709respectfully, I’ll trust the other thousands of doctors who say otherwise :) also, he didn’t “invent” the mRNA vaccine, he was a minor contributor among hundreds of other scientists, though I don’t blame you for this one, because research literacy is a very niche skill.
@jackspring7709 being skeptical about a single vaccine should not make someone an anti vaxxer though
Respectfully, I will decide what gets injected into my child. I will say no to shots. Cry about it
@@Aplaxta you’ll be the one crying after your child gets a decease from another unvaccinated child, not us
(I really hope that it will not happen to your child, but you yourself make it more likely to happen)
"I ended up with a kid with an auto-immune disorder."
She's making it sound like the kid arrived from the factory broken, smh.
ahahjahhahaha thats a good one.
Yeah, she says ended up as if she didn’t even want the kid
The mother is clearly the shitty factory
The mom had arthritis that probably from autoimmune disease too, she doesn't realized she passed that down to her child did she? Lmao
@@DillaVesperia ah ah ah, Disorder. That distinction is very important. that child is not diseased, they have a disorder. that can be very disheartening for people with the disorder. Unless they actually do have one of the diseases, then they're probably gonna die in todays world...
My mom wasn’t vaccinated as a child and she had measles, chicken pox, scarlet fever, mumps and all you could imagine. She talks about how
Awful it was always being sick bc her parents didn’t believe in vaccines. She vaccinated me and I am healthy. Without the smallpox vaccine there could be people
Dying still from smallpox. But there isn’t bc there was a vaccine created. VACCINES WORK!!
Edit: OMG! How did I get this many likes lol!!! Never gotten his many before!
Not to take away from your point but scarlet fever doesn't have a vaccine so that really wasn't preventable and chicken pox likely didn't have one yet depending how old your mom is. But yeah the rest your grandparents easily could have prevented.
You're a good doctor, Mike. Thanks for putting this out there.
Daniel Thrasher love you’re vids man
Surprised to see you here, love
omg hi daniel💀
Why do i see you everywhere
hey its the piano man.
I once had a nightmare where Antivaxxers took over the UN and banned vaccines and Autism. Then there was a knock at the door. I woke up before I could open the door.
How can you ban autism? 🤔
@@SBerTtube You "concentrate" people in "fun camps"
@@SBerTtube look at history it’s happened well not just autism any mental and physical issues
@@aryabiss9445you can just withdraw autism as a mental disorder, just like they removed slaves wanting to run away from their owners as a mental disorder (of course the two aren't comparable whatsoever, just an example of mental disorders being reclassified).
Funny .. since the reality is the oppsite. Guess who is paying the WHO ..
They should've had Dr. Mike be apart of that video. I think it would've had a bigger impact on the anti-vaxxers.
TBH
Very true
@@MariaKiran1 with all due respect to Dr. Mike, these people have chose to believe their own "research" over scientific medical opinion. I don't think the doctor's words would knock sense into them.
@@sibinsamthomas4719 true.
With all due respect once you are an antivaxxer and you know the truth it doesnt matter who is in the video. Once you know the truth, you never go back. There are thousands of doctors that are also anti vax so your theory that our opinion is less medically valid than yours is pure fantasy. In reality provaccine science is corrupted science. Apparently a lot of people are comfortable with hearing this because they never dig any deeper than main stream medias stories to find out. If it were my kids life on the line, i would be concerned with the possibility of there being some truth to what antivax parents are saying. I would want to be positive before doing that to my kids . antivaxxer will never be provax again because they KNOW that pharmacuetical companies are liars and doctors are the 3rd leading cause of death in the US and unfortunately most of all, many of us found out first hand what I said is absolutely true. BUT you go ahead and trust them, your choice and your right to at least we know, we tried to warn you.
For me personally I'd be far more convinced by a person who presents data than a person who presents personal anecdotes.
Kabir Basu both are useful, it depends on the audience that you are talking to, with these people talking about medicine with a bunch of big fancy words using personal anecdotes are useful. If you are talking about more down to earth, less big words, topics than stats are a lot more helpful.
@@riserevelation8471 Yep yep, most people are more convinced by anecdotes, especially if they can evoke emotion.
But as soon as someone starts to use emotion to try to convince me of something, I lose interest real quick, untill they start using data.
Of course this doesn't mean I've never been convinced by anecdotes in the moment, but if given the time to think about the arguments, I'd almost always be more convinced by the data.
Kabir Basu i agree with you, there is a fine amount of emotion that should be used when making an anecdotal argument, if the entire argument is ruled by emotion than people will just tune it out.
@@riserevelation8471 Yep, totally agree.
It's good you understand the data and statistics. As a scientist, I want to know those.
But I grew up with all the family stories of relatives suffering and dying of now preventable diseases. Those are facts, too. It's good to have true individual stories to tell that supplement stats for those who don't understand them. Most people don't know anybody who has had a preventable disease. It hits home when you've witnessed the fear of you or your child being infected with something horrible.
Every time I get a tetanus shot, I get really bad aches and a fever for a couple days, but I still get one every 10 years because I'm not an idiot. I'll take the crappy couple days for something that could save my life
I haven't had a tetanus shot in about 30 years, never had tetanus. It's a bogus vaccine that you don't need unless you're constantly surrounded by rusty metal. Kinda like how they give newborns hepatitis vaccines that are only really received from sexual intercourse and needle sharing. Must suck to be so fucking brainwashed.
onetimeontheriver dealer the baby could get hepatitis from family who unknowingly have hepatitis and it doesn’t have to be from sex. It’s protecting the child. Even if the likelihood is low , why not try to protect your kid if you can, it’s not 100% but it’s better than risking something preventable
@@onetimeontheriverdealer4405 all these fake illnesses are invented by evil corporations so they can sell us more vaccines and medicines. Think about it have you ever seen bacteria? no because they don't exist. oh and don't forget all the mind control agents they put in vaccines. Some people even believe we went to the moon. do you even anti-vax bro?
@@adrienne2838 Because the odds are so unfuckingbelievably low that it's actual insanity. Maybe if the baby was born into a family that lives in a crack house you might have a point but otherwise no. Even if they were to come into contact with someone that had the disease, even then the odds of it actually being transmitted to the baby are astronomically low.
onetimeontheriver dealer and the odds of something life threatening happening from a vaccine are also low so why not, and in adulthood the human may be in greater risk than in infancy, either way it’s gonna be a good idea to get it at some point
I have an immune disorder and even though I couldn't get vaccinations I made sure that my child did. I weighed the pros and cons and decided it was worth the risk. As my daughter reached highschool I let her decide for herself.
My friend decided not to vaccinate her child. We had heated discussions about the topic over the years and just agreed to disagree.
However am deeply saddened that my friends daughter passed away a few years later at the tender age of 15 from Meningococcal meningitis.
My beautiful friend was so distraught and said "You were right...I should've listend." I this was a time where I truly wished I was wrong 😪.
On the flip side one of my daughters fellow students a top gymnast started with seizures emediatley after she was given a vaccine at school. These seizures never went away and progressed. Now she requires 24/7 care as she has 6 - 10 seizures a day.
I know whatever decision we make as parents is in the best interests of our children.
There is no right and wrong in this. But I do believe we should be given a choice.
The problem with "choice" is some choose poorly. That results in continued presence of these organisms in the public space which in turn drives new infections and subsequent illness and death. You know lepers were once driven from their communities because of the threat they posed to others. There is no supposed "right" that allows for individuals spreading of vaccine-preventable diseases. As a final thought allergic reactions reflect a problem with the individual and not the vaccine per se which is merely a "trigger".
@@varyolla435 You do make a valid point and I agree. It's a question of ethics and morals really at the end of the day isn't it.
Ethically and moraly I believe it is wrong to force someone to put something into thier body. Your body should mean it's your choice.
On the flip side it is Ethically and moraly wrong for someone to place other peoples lives at risk. Moraly we as a society need to place our own health as well as those around us as priority.
While I swing more to the pro Vax side I do also have some understanding on why some prefer not Vax.
Education is key I believe.
@@natahliak7691and too, you can be for some vaccines, wary of others and against others. That doesn't make you antivax. I chose not to get the covid vaccine. With more data that has come out, I'm ok with my decision. For others, they've made a different decision and that's their choice. I don't vilify a person one way or the other.
Excellent point.
I was so mad at the woman who said that a 10-minute visit to the doctor can't make up for how well a parent knows their child... Guess what almost 10 years of education in the field of medicine make up for it when it comes to MEDICAL DECISIONS, online research isn't a medical degree and it is part of the job and responsibilities of a doctor to be able to think of what's best for each individual patient of theirs, otherwise everyone who had the same illness or symptoms would be treated the exact same so like what's even her point??
As important as education is also EXPERIENCE. Doctors see tens, hundreds, thousands of the most common cases, so yeah, a 10 min visit can be 9 too many. I'm sure she knows something because of experience, a noise in the house or a "tell" on one of her kids that she knows from experience what it means, well then add 10 years of studying and you get doctors.
Yeah, I was like "what does that even MEAN?" So every parent knows their kid well enough to be absolutely certain that it will or will not get a dangerous disease? That's beyond ridiculous.
It's not bad to look at things online so you have a basis to start the conversation with your doctor (i.e. knowing which symptoms to document). However, you should only get insistent if they are completely blowing you off. That's when it's time for a second opinion.
The internet is pretty useful. I caught onto the fact that I was deficient in vitamin b12, and that my body doesn't store it properly 3 months before my doctor did. All she did was confirm it with a blood test. You can have all the knowledge in the world, but if you don't how to relate that information to your patient or coax it out of them, it's useless.
@Kevin Prima not all doctors are pro Vaccine XD
"Parents know their children best"... Well, sure, but that doesn't make you a doctor!
Patients have to self-diagnose all the time. Their experience is severely limited, but extremely valuable.
Patients need to trust their doctors, but for the process to work well, doctors need to be able to trust their patients. It's just that good chunk of patients can't be trusted. Hypochondriacs, wild imaginations, medical rumors blown out of proportion like the anti-vax craze...
How many movies and books have proved that saying is not accurate.
@@manguy01
When you search stuff on Google it usually gives examples of the WORST possible scenario. I once hit my temple on a car door and was curious how long the pain was going to last and if I had anything to worry about. The first article was about cranial bleeding and brain swelling and if it wasn't treated within the next couple of days then it would be fatal. This was 2 years ago. I'm obviously still alive.
I will never self-diagnose because I didn't spend 6 years in medical school. If you think you're truly sick then go to a doctor, they're the experts. Don't look up shit and convince yourself you have stage 4 brain cancer when you've had a headache for 10 minutes.
Considering how much CPS worker I don't think parents always know best
@@Alphasnowbordergirl movies and books...????
Yea, that pediatrician? He is on probation, and was filed for multiple counts of negligence by the Californian health board, for being anti-vax.
Do you know his name?
@@ribbon-kitten7577 Dr. Bob Sears.
Boost tf out of this ☝🏻☝🏻☝🏻
Niiiiiice
Wow, that's sad. Filed just for being anti-vax?
Dr. Mike is unbelievably genuine, and unlike Dr Oz and other medical personalities, I would trust him and his opinion with my life. His background led him to be a lot more grateful for his education than the average doctor. I believe he took full advantage of his time in medical school and I think his knowledge shows that clearly.
Holy F im cringing every time she say "Investigating vaccines". We all know her investigation is sitting on google finding the most ridiculous information that human race came up with
Betting it's not even google, it's just random opinions of moms on facebook lmao
@@Duskitten Even better lol
Exactly !!! This couldn’t be more annoying
Just waiting for a wild Karen to come.
probably yahoo search tbh
I would rather be arthritic than get polio
Well said sir!
Naw id rather die then live with joint pain lol
Or I’d rather have a living child with a rash, than a dead child. 🤷🏻♀️
Good luck on getting arthritis then, I guess.
Yeah like, arthritis VS losing all your limbs to disease... I know which one I'm picking
"In the end parents know their children best"
This statement floored me when the mom said it. Sure, personality wise that's correct. A mom knows her daughter's personality and her likes and dislikes better than anyone. But if that kid becomes very ill or has a nasty fall off her bike and breaks her arm......knowing her favourite band-aid color or, favourite flavor of soup won't matter. These doctors have dedicated years of their life to knowing how to handle these situations.
wow, you put your words so well together.
I agree, but also on more than just what the child likes or not. I myself went through a rough faze in school where I would have headaches, stomach aches, feel nauseous and often thought i was either sick or something was chronically wrong with me. My mother brushed this off because "she was my mother and knew me best". She told me that i would be fine and should stop focusing so much on it because i was fueling it. Not long after i found out that i had depression though my doctor and that affected my eating habits as well as hydrating myself and sleeping properly. The fact that my mom brushed it off because she was used to knowing me best annoys me and could have saved me a lot of self-destructive behavior without knowing.
A parent knows their child best-always trust a parent when they say something about their child is different. But a parent can't know why the child is acting so different and how to fix it-that's where the doctors come in.
As someone who works with children, there aren't many parents left who even know their children on a social level. Or for that matter even care. Some (not all) of these same parents who claim to be anti-vaccination because they love their children and want what's best for them certainly have no problem dumping them off at daycare all day, even if they're sick, and couldn't tell you a damn thing about their child. While there are certainly individuals who are against vaccinations for their own valid reasons, there are just as many who do it because it's "trendy."
That's the argument they shreik from the rooftops. "I know my child best!"
I had an antivaxxer tell me that and pissed them off pretty badly by replying "cool. You know what coffin color they will want then."
Hi Dr Mike.
I had anaphylaxis as a result of my first covid jab (astro zeneca). As a Doctor was there, I was treated, so it was really unpleasant but dealt with.
Here's my issue..... From some people I received a lot of abuse, when I explained that I didn't want to go for any more covid jabs due to the anaphylaxis, inuding someone who told me that I should have it because covid is worse than anaphylaxis! They had never had an allergic reaction of any kind....
I discussed the jab again with a doctor, once the zeneca jab had been withdrawn, and we talked about the risks, especially as I have chonic q fever and a lot of other conditions, some of which are autoimmune disorders. I was asked to have the jab in the hospital, had an allergic reaction again, but it was dealt with. Bullying is wrong, open communication is key.
Much love from the uk.
Exactly. The authoritarians who pushed the Covid vaccine have never apologized or admitted wrong doing. They destroyed the medical communities credibility and now think it’s weird people don’t trust them
Anaphylaxis is rare to vaccinations, if people want to abuse you because you're allergic they are just ignorant.
I still can’t get over them saying “ in my research” when trying to argue w people who went to med school... which in this case does make them more knowledgeable lmao
I dont think they know what research is
Dasha UwU it’s what Betty from their Facebook group has to say LOL
Biased easy-to-read articles are not on the same level as unbiased, real science research and medical journals. Ofc I don't expect Karens to understand the scientific language used in medical journals ... Karens don't understand what the concept of actual scientific research is, their definition of research are google searches and facebook posts.... It's hard to argue with someone who is blissfully ignorant imo
"Their research" is exactly this below, ( Confirmation Bias ), because they are not looking for info that discredits their anti-vaccine belief.. they only look for info that confirms it.
Confirmation Bias
Definition: To seek out and favor evidence that confirms one’s pre-existing beliefs or views. May also include the cognitive tendency to resist or disfavor evidence that is contrary to one’s pre-existing beliefs.
Katheryn Dutchess YES THIS.
The moment real facts come out, Karen’s be like
Ima just not see that
This is such a 1st world problem. I live in Kenya where there is no question to not getting vaccinations. You can still see people who have been afflicted by polio. The government have polio programs where public health officials go around giving oral vaccination for polio. I teach Biology at a school and when I teach about vaccination and bring up anti vaxxers my students think they are crazy.
Just a side note. Oral polio, was causing actual polio outbreaks, people were shedding it. Therefore USA stopped giving it. Now they give ipv..
@@drakedespain9924 , was it necessary to immediately start cursing at someone because you disagree with their wording? Gear down there, big rig >.>;
Dean Randolf we’re not saying you’re not allowed to do it, we’re just using our first amendment rights to point out that you were being kinda unnecessarily rude
@@drakedespain9924 , I wasn't telling you not to say it. Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should do it. Besides, you catch more flies with honey... People are more open to hearing your side of things when you aren't cursing at them anyways, but you do you lol
@@drakedespain9924 "It's not a first world problem fuckhead." Failed to follow up your assertion there, waste of characters.
"Just because a country makes more money than another doesnt mean that that richer country arent allowed to have problems." Off-topic, OP never said otherwise.
"If you make a million a year you still have problems, they're different problems, but everyone always has their own issues." Great, it's a first-world problem, glad you now agree with OP.
You don't socialize much do you? "First amendment right", you're a product of failed parenting and excessive internet usage.
Man I'm so glad there's nuanced videos like this out there! Not only cause I can't imagine a better way to appeal to the anti-vaxxers and possibly change their minds than what you did here, but also because you set the right example for pro-vaxxers to treat the anti with respect and understanding, just so wholesome I love it
Luuk
At the end of the day, Anti vaxxers are still retarded and basing their values/belief on very very very rare exceptions. Which is fallacious and retarded.
Anti vaxx activists really need to be treated hostilely. Their openly insane and hoping to diminish our protections from disease.
@@Ishiinrue you are the worst sort of person.
@@Ishiinrue you should watch Jeff Holliday's videos on RUclips. He is great at explaining how vaccines work and debunks that Vaxxed movie
Thank you to the man who Brought up Juvenile Ideopathic Arthritis. And the treatment. I have it and have been on methotrexate since I was 2. It helps keep it under control, and I am so happy , that his daughter can move again.❤
I had it in the 70's and 80's starting at 3yo. No methotrexate. It went away at 17 (thank goodness), but a lot of damage had already occurred, alas.
So happy for you.
I am personally strongly pro vaccine because of an old friend.
Her mother was an anti vaxxer. Her mother was the typical activist that does 15 minutes of research and would argue with doctors. But her daughter had no opinion in this. She couldn’t get one even if she wanted one.
When she went to Puerto Rico for vacation, she cut her ankle on a sharp tree branch in the forest. It was not clean. And her mother refused to have her the tetanus vaccine. Her father wanted but her mother would not allow it.
Weeks later, she died of tetanus, the doctors couldnt do much because it was already too late. If the mother had just given her that vaccine, it would’ve saved her life. But it didn’t and the price was the cost of her only daughters life
does she regret her decision or is she in denial?
This was heartbreaking .
We must have her head on a steak!
matthew mac she’s still in denial. Claiming that the hospital was unsafe and had germs, and said that that was the reason her daughter died.
@@fanqiejiang1749 that's sad. she just refuses to see her role in this, deep inside she probably knows, but she doesn't want to acknowledge it. 💔
The worst problem with "doing your own research" is confirmation bias. If you look for something you'll find it, be it true or not
Teaching people, especially kids, HOW to do research in today’s day and age is so important. The internet can be such a strong force for either good or bad depending on this
1000%
A lil late for this response however - Peoples definition of "research" is misconstrued. Research is looking at both sides, the risks, benefits... What has happened and the statistical analysis of it actually happening, but also looking at the pro's, like the high likelihood of preventing a disease that, in the past prior to vaccines, destroyed lives. If you were going for a vaccine for a common cold, then no... You should not be forced into this, however a vaccine for a disease that has killed hundreds of thousands to millions of people should be considered ontop of the risks of side affects.
Research the side affects of a vaccine, research the likelihood of something happening, then decide whether that % chance of getting said side affect outweighs the benefits of a preventative of getting said virus.
Instead of actually doing this, people read one post, or a handful of posts that show the bad, but fail to actually understand the chances of it happening compared the chances of getting the virus and then the chances of survival if you get said virus. I am in full support for people making their mind up, but they need to put more effort into research and be happy to actually do real research by looking on both sides of the spectrum before making a decision that could effectively affect another life. A good example for me, I take medications due to Chronic Pain. All my medications I get given then I research the side affects, what happens when mixed with other medications that I take, the risks and the benefit. two tablet may cause fits in super rare cases, so taking them together will cause those side affects to be less rare, but then I also look whether or not it is beneficial for me.
That’s not true, I looked for a popsicle brand both my sister and I loved as children and there’s not one google entry about it😅
It’s like it never existed.
I think the main problem with doing your own research is that research is a skill. It's very difficult and takes a long time to develop to do it well but it's very easy to do it poorly.
Dr. Mike is really smart! This video should be viewed nationwide.
Nationwide is on your side
Agreed
as are all doctors....being smart...you know..because they're doctors..
Worldwide...
@@barrendrum7748 😂
I am loving this response as this shows Doctor Mike is willing to listen to people and be understanding.
It's like being anti-surgery because there's a death rate for every operation.
Good point I am now anti-surgery
So you die later guaranteed while in pain or you take the risk of living longer without the pain/dying on the table while already knocked out..........I’ll take my chances of dying on the table. Unless circumstances state otherwise.
Azure Blaze To each there own!
That's such a great point.😄😂
0x39 no. It's like doing a cost/benefit analysis before EACH INDIVIDUAL surgery.
Too bad we don't do that.
Oh wait...
she’s telling a doctor, who literally went to school to study medicinal science and who has done research about the best and safest medical treatments to help people and to prevent possibly fatal illnesses/diseases from forming, that he is wrong about the possible side effects of vaccines..
exactly ! as medical student a lot of her statements made me cringe ... I see a lot of anti-vaccine people saying they don't understand why a vaccine would be a better option ... then go study biology for a few years and you'll be able to understand perfectly !
But she did research on the internet! so of course she knows what she is talking about.... :P
@@kinagrill exactly 🙄😂
@@kinagrill Probably quotes Vaxxed as a legitimate source of information.
It's like marketers telling computer scientist they don't know how computer works
"I know my kid better than someone who sees them twice a year for 10 minutes"
K Story time
When I was 16, I had something wrong with me illness-wise. My family just played it off as a fever, even though I had red spots all over my body afterwards. My family finally brought me to the doctor because I literally got kicked out of school at that point. My family and I after lots of internet searching, couldn't find anything. In the hospital, my doctor, who only sees my for 10 minutes twice a year, within 2 minutes: "You have Scarlet Fever." The doctor I see twice a year for ten minutes saved me from a potentially lethal disease that my family couldn't do anything about for days.
Three cheers for that doctor!
Wow! My brother had scarlet fever when he was little and it was really scary, and also because I had just had strep throat so I had a really high chance of getting it too and then we’re allergic to the main medicine that’s used to treat it
@@ellan1664 Do you know hat he was put on?
Let me tell you a story. I went to a doctor to get tested for Strep Throat. The doctor said I had no strep throat. Every kid who sat next to me in class got strep throat.
@Ha Ha Ha Ha I agree. Parents aren't doctors for a reason.
Wonderful video, Dr. Mike. I appreciate your objectivity.
Hello Dr Mike ! I was hoping that you can talk about birth control. I’ve heard that there isn’t many long term studies about birth control which worries me because people claim that it is very unnatural and eventually will harm your body.
Seriously. My mom thinks my uterus is dying because I have a Mirena and don't get periods. Ugh!
I would like him to talk about this as well!
@@MsMSB2012 I don't think it will rot your uterus lol. But doctors suggest to at least have your period every 3 months when on birth control.
This is a great suggestion!
Yes! Please
People saying they’ve done research is so annoying like did you spend 6 years gaining a medical degree or was it a google search Karen
Hey! No need to say such nasty things about Google.
@@SHADOW1414 lol
Facebook groups are not research
Classic Karen
Its always safe to assume that they went to "Im right theyre wrong.com"
Doctor Mike wasn't invited to the argument due to him destroying anyone and everyone.
The Bops they would have all been scared to talk at all. He would’ve even destroyed arthritis lady
My problem with people doing their own research is the fact that they'll usually only listen to information that supports their already bias that is cemented in their brain before hand
RIP lab research and tests. Now we have Google. And that is considered proper research.
That doctor that told the personal story about his daughter is the most respectable person in the whole video. He was calm and collected, and deescalated the conversation.
From what I gathered, he works in intensive care. Those doctors are perhaps some of the most calm and collected people I have seen in my entire life, second to maybe anesthetists.
I agree that he was calm and collected, but I would encourage you to watch the whole video, because several people (on both sides) worked to keep things calm throughout the stages of discussion.
Pp
SwagUhLit hello?is this the local edgelord
Just remember to hurt yourself on that edge too much you degenerate filth of a weeb
Melissa: “Everyone thinks we’re stupid”
Melissa: Bases an argument on what she even admitted could’ve been a coincidence
Me: 🤷🏻♀️🤯
Don't be so hard, maybe she visited a psychic who told her she's right :P
@@cons4148 Finally someone who understands who really is trustworthy on this topic
Weird to watch this after coronavirus outbreak.
It is, and this video's topics are gonna be very at large during this time
yea same
Amirus no, because until we have a vaccinated population everyone who contracts COVID-19 gives it to 2.5 people. Accept the vaccine when it is available, you will slow the high-risk population from getting exposed in the first place.
(Obviously if there isn’t enough vaccine to go around the math changes and you need to trust the recommendations of epidemiologists)
@Amirus younger people are starting to die from the coronavirus too but ok
Has anyone noticed how quiet the anti-vaxxers have been since the outbreak? They're very quiet here in Canada, at least.
I've never heard someone say "they don't listen to logic" in such a nice way
It's kind of annoying how the two anti-vax mom's can't seem to shut up long enough to let anyone else talk, or are constantly talking over them or interrupting them, telling them they're wrong. Like if you're having a debate, and you have to constantly interrupter and talk over your opponent, and you're clearly not listening to what they have to say even though I think that the pro-vaccine people seem to be listening to the anti-vaxxer's concerns before responding to them, then your argument probably isn't as valid, and "right" as you think it is.
Jessica Lee so true
The other anti-vax person is worse. The doctor believes in a alternative vax schedule that is viewed as unsafe by the CDC. Because of this he is responsible for a massive outbreak of measles “In 2008, Sears' "intentionally undervaccinated" seven-year-old patient was identified as the index patient who started a measles epidemic in 2008, an epidemic which was the largest outbreak in San Diego since 1991. The epidemic "resulted in 839 exposed persons, 11 additional cases (all in unvaccinated children), and the hospitalization of an infant too young to be vaccinated.
That's because I already get a strong feeling that this movie is antivaxxer propaganda. Someone's cut it this way.
Kind of annoying that pro-vaccine propagandists diminish my plight. They don't know anybody with autism, they think it's how it's portrayed on TV and in movies. Not even close!
@@kedricktheheadtripMusic I know myself fairly well and I sure as **** am not this way because of vaccines. And you know what neither are you. Sorry but science is not subject to any subjective reality neither yours nor mine, and there's no scientific proof whatsoever of any link, nor even any correlation, between autism and vaccines.
When they say “I did my own research”... damn, It gets on my nerves
As apposed to a trained seal like you, clapping for a fish. Unbelievably, people can read, ever wonder how they become doctors? Idiot.
@@Berserkism your response is stupid , do you think these moms did even .005% of the reading that the doctors have to ? They didnt get properly educated on all the different aspects of the medical field that are required to make an informed decision. I can almost put my house on the fact that they only read articles explaining things and not actual studies. And when your looking for articles to back up your thought process your going to find them
@@jodofly1158 I have a fish.....catch.
@@Berserkism oof
@@Berserkism omonomonom
mom who goes “parents know their child best” gives me bad “can i speak to your manager” vibes
Internet Comment Etiquette: Grayson I wouldn’t be surprised if her name was Karen.
People in the comments of that video were calling her Karen lmao 😂
"Can I speak"? I think it's more like... " *I DEMAND to speak to the manager here!* "
My name is Karen. And you are? 😒
Lol
I used to cry and hide as a child when I had to get vaccines and thought that I was somehow being punished. Now, I’m very glad that my parents got me vaccinated. After my mom told me about the symptoms of tetanus at around 12 years old and compared what tetanus does to a person versus just getting one jab that’s over quickly, I started to think differently about vaccines. I knew that it wasn’t to hurt me, but to protect me and others who can’t get vaccinated. (Newborns, people with certain autoimmune disorders, etc.) My parents went through chickenpox and other things as children that I never even had to think about as a kid. As somebody who’s turning 26 next month, I’m no longer scared of vaccines and even used to get B-12 injections weekly at one point because although I eat red meat, my body doesn’t break down the B-12 vitamin very well for some reason.
My grandpa had an allergic reaction to a flu shot and was paralyzed for a year. He had an allergic reaction, but my parents still get me vaccinated and I’ve never had an issue. The issue is he’s had a reaction, but that’s so slim compared to the immense help vaccinates do
Most people don't realize allergies are typically not inherited, especially for something as "inorganic" as a vaccine. An allergic reaction is essentially the immune system getting worked up into a frenzy over something that isn't going to harm the body. And usually anti-vaxers think that just because they had a bad experience once or their friend did, that somehow their kid is going to have the exact same one.
This is true for me, I had a reaction to the whooping cough vaccine, I still have my kids having it. The nurse didn't believe me when I refused whilst pregnant as I had it whilst in high school due to an outbreak.
+Aidan Ann Also slim compared to the dangers of not getting vaccinated.
Reactions happen, reactions can happen with literally every medical procedure. They can even be prevented. As a nurse, we are supposed to educate you about the signs of a reaction so that you can get early help.
My grandma was talking to me about the siblings she lost to polio and how seeing people talking like this today pisses her off. People today never had to go through something like that which is why they have this stance.
Conventional Sims That would make a powerful video. Actually talking to people who experienced life before vaccines would maybe give people some perspective.
My parents were born in a time when lots of children died from childhood illnesses. My dad survived polio. And then came the vaccines and the cemeteries stopped filling up with children. And people didn't have to have 15 children just so some of them would survive to adulthood.
Anti-vaxxers really should take a stroll around an old, pre-vaccine cemetery sometime.
It really frustrates me that the antivaxxers got way more time to speak and just ignored literally everything the doctor said
This is why we just let them Have it their way, let them and their kids drop dead like flies and just continue informing the uninformed
Sadly, however, they don’t just endanger themselves and die out but also endanger their young kids who don’t know better or others and deplete herd immunity. Fucking selfish ideology.
So true I wanted to hear more from the pro-vaccine More and the anti a LOT less but of course they got to interrupt and say “no,no” when they disagree and then go into a big rant of “oh your numbers are off” and “well I have arthritis now” do you even have proof that, that happened due to the vaccine you had or just spouting whatever you feel because you couldn’t find the source? Utter nonsense. Also what happens to the kids with auto-immune disease who get polio and measles? Gonna blame that on other kids who get their vaccines? Shouldn’t you want your kids protected from a early death due to stupid decisions?
Edan But that’s not fair to their children 🙁
@@NightmareKrys They do, actually. Blame kids with the vaccines, I mean. I had a discussion on Quora with an anti-vaxxer who was absolutely convinced her son had gotten the flu from his friend who had just gotten the flu vaccine. Because "He was shedding the virus and also got sick".
During when the covid vaccine was being rolled out, a lot of us at Oxford working in the hospitals were recruited to have some of the first vaccines as part of the trial. I had mine beginning of feb 2021. I asked a couple of new colleagues if they wanted it so another colleague linked to the trial could sign them up. One said yes and was signed up straight away. The other said no. I automatically thought he was an antivaxxer. He explained he had a bad reaction to an MMR vaccine so his doctor told him to be careful. I felt so bad as he would have said yes otherwise and explained because there’s this air around antivaxxers who make those who have valid reasons to say no until they speak to their doctor and check if it’s okay to have the vaccine is an excuse to not to get vaccinated for the general population
And it's because of people like your colleague that everyone who can be vaccinated should be vaccinated.
And now we see there's also side effects of the covid vaccine. Many people I know will never get a booster or be complied to get a vaccine again because of their reaction
Wow. You honestly sound like a terrible person. The people who judge others for not taking Covid were the most authoritarian and evil people.
My son is not vaccinated but I'm not anti-vax. We dealt with a lot of medical problems with him as a newborn. When we brought up his father's serious allergies to several vaccines (he almost died due to his reactions) with my son's doctor we decided as a team to not vaccinate. I worry about this decision a lot. It was a huge struggle for us as parents. We had a baby who was already very very sick, often in the hospital, and very vulnerable. I will always remain pro-vax, despite my son's specific circumstances.
Your son's health & the child of the anti-women in this video are why I, someone who has had no adverse health affects or family history of them, will always get my vaccines!
Your children is the reason I will always vaccinate ❤ You're right not to vaccinate at that point. Do what you need to do mama bear.
Personally(And Im no doctor) as long as you teach and practice good hygiene,and don't visit and 3rd world/developing countries Im sure your son will live a healthy life.
Don't they have tests for allergies? It seems that there are many different vaccines available with different ingredients. If they test for and are aware of your son's allergies, it shouldn't be a problem figuring out which vaccines he would react to and which that he would not, right?
Obviously there's a huge risk to injecting a vaccine with unknown ingredients into a kid with unknown allergies. Probably an allergy panel should be performed on all children before they are vaccinated to avoid this situation that your son's father experienced. It seems to be the smart thing to do. And if there is no vaccine available that someone would not react to, then obviously they should not have to be exposed to that vaccine.
That’s valid, it’s exactly why others are expected to be vaccinated. I guess these anti-vaxxers don’t understand that
Correlation is not causation.
Quite sure at least some of their anecdotes were causations.
@@neinno8172 not one of them had proof of this. Nobody said: "what happened to me was on the list of side effects."
The closest was: "I did my own research." Which, in many antivax circles, actually means "I googled a non peer reviewed article, written by an antivaxer, about a friend of a friend."
My fiance got Type 1 Diabetes, at the age of 27 (when most people are too old to get it) and has absolutely no one in his family with an autoimmune disease, let alone Diabetes. Same situation as the lady with Arthritis (which I've had a Juvenile form of Rhumetoid, my entire life, and my grandmother got Osteo at 35... neither anywhere near a vaccine.) So in my life, specifically, I've had two similar situations to her, and a personal annecdote as to how she could have Rhumetoid, or Osteo Arthritis at her age, regardless of vaccine.
I know that was just one of them, but for obvious reasons that's the one that resonnated the most, and a huge proponent to my previous comment: correlation =/= causation
More people are vaccinated than ever, and processors have more transistors per mm². Vaccines caused Moore's law.
@@paranoiarpincess If it had gone beyond the google search there wouldn't even be a reason to *not* name that specific research; if it's empirical/stands for something there's no reason at-all to *not* mention it; especially since it should be interesting to both vac and antivac if it has that merit/weight to bring to the discussion table; the fact she won't flat out mention what she found with source along proves she doesn't actually think strongly of that proof, or through experience should know why it shouldn't be considered proof for other already told her that.
@@paranoiarpincess I didn't say all their comments were causation, far from it. I'm basing it of what the doctor said, which is a slight fraction of a chance of a 'bad reaction' or side effect from taking a vaccination, which they anecdotally state happened.
Proof that there can be side effects, or none at all? I have no idea, I haven't done 'my own research' so I'm basing it of what the 2 professionals stated was a possibility.
I'm pro-vaccine, I'm just saying I think some people may receive bad/side effects from taking a vaccine, which is causation from taking a vaccine.
The fact is that your videos are better than what I learn at school.
Guuuurl❤
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@@bradleyryan8838 true
@@severin8285 @bradleyryan you guys are just mad because she's got noticed😂
@Korean Cactus ?? Bruh I’m not mad I’m just saying
I got vaccinated for rubeola when i was a baby, yet I got rubeola when i was 14 years old. Neither my family nor I blamed "the vacc didn't work", it's just my immune was bad at that time. Still doesn't change my mind about getting vacc, a jab it is.
When the MMR first came out it was only one dose. It took some years to determine that 2 doses were needed to insure good immunity response. Meanwhile the Rubella vaccine is believed to last ~15 years for most. So developing Rubella 14 years later does not mean the vaccine did not work - especially if it was a mild case. Vaccines are not "100% preventative". They simply offer better odds at avoiding serious illness with milder side effects than catching what they prevent.
I've also had rubella, along with chicken pocks and measles. My immune system sucks but I'm still not dumb enough to be anti Vax. Have all my vaccines and boosters as do my children.
Many vaccines wear off in their effectiveness over time. I think a good question for a doctor about each vaccine is, how long does it last and when should I get a booster?
I feel like the 2 anti vaccine moms were not listening, they were just waiting to talk.
I feel like (not to assume) that’s the problem of why they are so “ignorant” it’s because they don’t listen as much as they should
Zahir Datoo that has nothing to do with being American 😐
Zahir Datoo nope
Zahir Datoo everything you just said was wrong
Zahir Datoo anyone can be what you described, which is what you are
The Melissa lady has the "can I speak to your manager" haircut.
*wearing a mohawk* I am the manager.
she has crazy eyes
"As a mother..." *talks about something she has no qualifications in, but expects you to treat her like an expert*
Midnight star at least her name wasn’t Karen (my name is Karen and the amount of Karen memes are absurd)
Uh excuse me but this comment offended me, I would like to speak to your manager please.
“Research” means something quite different to a doctor and a lay person
Peer reviewed journal articles within 5 years, please people 😂
@@janesmith2649 A sample size larger than just "my friend's cousin" 😂
@@BrightonDestiny or "this blog"
Don’t some doctors (saw this on twitch) like in mid school study 10 hours a day?
@@iicynicy9473 med*
I had a crazy bad reaction to the MMR vaccine when I was a toddler. I still get all my vaccines. It's insane to me that people feel like it's some huge risk. It seems selfish to me 🤷♂️
“You’re protecting those who cannot be vaccinated” YES!
As someone who can't have most vaccines due to anaphylaxis, I am completely for Vaccines. Herd Immunity is the only thing that will protect me and thousands of others
Luke Hedlund 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Luke Hedlund what you just said is exactly why i don’t understand why people are anti vax just because they or their children had a reaction.
Well according to anti-vaxxers, you're not as valuable as their own kids OR consider you a lucky one since you won't catch the autism. It's an insulting notion either way. Just overly emotional hateful people.
Luke Hedlund
You're welcome!
@@adrianasantosribeiro8777 Thank You!
I love the way you're educating us. Without judging, explaining every argument in a scientific way. Do what you do, because you're very inspiring and amazing!
I have to completely disagree with your statement. Doctor Mike appears to be the very reasons you find employee elevators in the hospital reminding doctors and nurses to be human towards patients. I have to go to work, and plan on responding and saying more in about 4- 5 hours. Science has its cult following. Science is a tool...psst, a tool. Not doctrine. I am not religious in the slightest. My kid has all her vaccines. Yes, Im gearing for a fight...this is years of douche VAXXERS shoveling sh!t around and they can't even hear the other side...so goes the juvenile two sided discussion. Doctor Mike does not seek to empower parents in the right direction. He repeatable hints at controlling and subjugating parents.
"Educating us "might be a little too much to say.
Informing is better.
@@markstewart4501 that's rather agressive towards a rather passive comment.
@@markstewart4501 I don't think, that you understood what I meant to say. I just wanted to thank Dr. Mike for educating me in a very hot topic- vaccines, and support him in doing so. As Family Guy wrote, I might use the word informing, but I found this video educating for me, so I don't see it as a mistake. I'm glad, that your child has all her vaccines , but I still don't see why you sort of attacked me, and had to completely disagree with my statement, which I didn't show in my comment. I haven't wrote, that vaccines are great or not. I just wanted to support Mike in what he does and I don't know how or why my comment irritated you so much.
@@SoulAlis Interesting. If I used simple words and suggested compulsion with out proper justification upon millions you wouldn't see that as aggressive?
As an executive in a pharma R&D corporation, I will say the adverse effects of vaccines are not appropriately highlighted and many are removed from the statistics and trial data as outliers when the % are higher than wanted. The study or trial specifications are just changed to reduce the unwanted data and include the wanted data.
Once the trial is over only the “final” report is issued to the peer review.
They have also cancelled trials in the middle of the process when the data is not positive. That trial is never presented.
Well they dont really teach selective publication and other publication manipulations in the education system hence these things do not really exist in the subjective world of the majority of the herd.
No pharma executive claims they are lying. You obviously don't work in pharma
That seems like a problem with how we do and present vaccine trials, not a problem with vaccines.
The public should have clear and accurate information on vaccines, but that doesn't equate to the core messaging of the anti-vax community. I wish we had that conversation before jumping to vaccines are conspiracy tools of control and destruction.
Dr. Mike, that paediatrician Bob Sears was being very careful in sharing his opinions. He is on 35 month probation for his unsafe practices. The county he practices in is significantly less vaccinated compared to others in the area. Anti-vax parents talk about him like he's a superhero.
Ace YIKES
phEW
Oof
I heard of his name in some article about a kid falling into septic shock from an infection
I knew that guy looked familiar.
Help, I have fallen victim of one of the many side effects of vaccines.
Adulthood.
Sir Homie Nice One LOL 😂
@Sir Homie your life is practically over
@@Nek0oo0o Are you ready for Persona 5 R?
😂🤣😂
PFFFF-
Mike as a fellow doc that's watched your media trajectory it would've been very easy for you go down the fluff and money route so I'm very proud that you continue to tackle important topics with an intelligent and balanced approach. I believe you're making a huge impact for the better. I've even forgiven you for not knowing the mitochondrion is the powerhouse of the cell gag 😉
But he knew that mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell and also you spelled it wrong
@@Daiems Mitochondria is the plural noun of the singular noun Mitochondrion.
@@Daiems When you are using a pleb language where the singular and the plural article is the same , it's easy to be confused. That's the reason you should know the singular and plural of the word you think is wrong.
I know its just a joke.. but pointing out Mike's mistake is just harsh 😒 Im sensitive.. so Im sorry.
@@Daiems get a bio degree before you talk shit...or just google it like everyone else on here
I don’t usually comment on yt but dr mike I love watching your videos on my pharmacy break !
My mother has MS, and the "herd immunity" principle they're discussing helps keep her from getting diseases that could kill her. Not vaccinating yourself or your children not only puts you at risk, but also immunity-compromised individuals as well.
@u wot m8 I agree with you on the first point because point of vaccines are to DECREASE your CHANCES of getting it.
On the second point I assume you're talking about MORTALITY rate not INFECTION because the infection rate DID decrease after the introduction of the vaccine but if you're talking about the mortality rate it was lowered because of the use of technology like iron lungs that enabled victims to live longer, I have no idea where the hygiene part came from.
@@PkmnLovar Just look at LA. Homelessness, and trash is everywhere. This is leading to a rise of a disease that pro-vaxers have said was eliminated by vaccines. It's the fact that an environment that is clean can't harbor germs and diseases. My question is when you know that the bloodstream leads to the heart, which is one of the most sensitive parts of your body, why would you put the chemicals that are listed on the insert of a vaccine into the bloodstream? Bloodstream is different from injesting. Very different. I believe in the right to choose to vaccinate, or not to.
@@ProducerJames91 1.) A clean environment can still very much so harbor germs/diseases
2.) Because how else would you be able to receive the benefits of the vaccine if it doesn't somehow enter the bloodstream?
3.) Where did ingestion come into play? No one in this entire discussion mentioned ingesting anything
4.) Rock on, you believe what you believe!
EDIT: My comment on his hygiene stance was that it did not play as big as a role as it was implied.
@@PkmnLovar I want to see an example regarding clean environments. Your response to #2 is exactly my point. There is a safety issue, I think. I brought up injestion because, for instance, aluminum can be injested safely by humans without causing harmful effects. I don't like that anti-vaxxers are seen as these evil people when they clearly have true scientific issues with vaccines.
@@ProducerJames91 1.) If you clean a lab room sterilize the entire room it can still harbor diseases/germs if they get introduced to it (contaminated) therefore requiring it to be sterilized again.
2.) I don't see a safety issue, from my understanding the chemicals are to sterilize the needle, and boost effectiveness of the vaccine.
3.) Within reason, and a lot of things are safely ingestible, WITHIN REASON.
4.) I agree evil? No. Ill-informed? Often.
5.) Scientific issues? Very few are scientific from my personal experience they are either religious or personal issues that they "claim" are scientific.
Bob Sears, the anti-vaccine pediatrician, got his license suspended after causing an outbreak of a preventable disease in the city he lives. You can look it up.
Nice
Yup. Measles outbreak in Southern California. 100% preventable.
The thing that sucks is that it's not directly affecting the people who make the decision to not vaccinate your kid.
Holy shit, your right. Jubilee needs to get some better people.
Meli Rayne shit your right
respectfulinsolence.com/2018/06/29/dr-bob-sears-finally-faces-discipline/
“You can’t fight emotion with logic.” is something I learned in a marketing/advertising class.
The biggest problem, and why you can never make ground in a debate with these people cause it’s like shadow boxing. As much as you can logically convince them something, they will do mental gymnastics and continually bring up points that back up their emotional state of being.
You cant have moral logic without emotion though.
Truer words have never been spoken
That's a good quote.
@@poopfart65 love this
Just because you’re against the covid vaccines regulations and authoritarian aspects doesn’t mean you’re an antivaxxer. That’s what I’ve hated the most regarding the years of covid.
Cognitive dissonance much.......
Yup. There were quite a few mainstream doctors and scientists who disagreed with the mandates (and policies).
@@switzerlandful _"Quite a few"_ = doubtful....... What you really mean is a handful whose dubious claims where perpetuated by social media - which is a joke where morons congregate.
p.s. - if you actually paid attention you would see whereby those who opposed things like mandates did so for ideological reasons and they typically had no background in infectious diseases/immunology/epidemiology. So their "opinions" did not count for much.
"my child had an adverse reaction to a vaccine, so they can't be vaccinated"
So... Shouldn't you be advocating for others to vaccinate to stimulate herd immunity to protect your child?
Caseh honestly though I feel you. Like why in the world would you want your child at more risk.
Honestly that lady seemed like she felt attacked by people attacking anti-vaxxers... Her reasoning is incredibly stupid. She just feels like people judge her child. We don't. We want the other children to get vaccinated to help HER. Wish she doesn't get polio because of other idiotic anti-vaxxers.
thought the same.
I also thought that she seemed very attacked or judged. And she maybe also has good reasons for it. I heard a few stories of parents whose children had adverse effects after vaccines and the doctors did not believe them, and I think that must be a horrifying situation. I still believe that you should definitely vaccinate and that the benefits are very high.
But I think it is horrifying if doctors downplay issues or if they do not try to search for the cause of problems because they think the patients exaggerate stuff. The one women told her history of visiting many doctors because of her arthrities and no one looked into it enough to help her.
Well that sounds way too logical
I hear the safety of vaccines all of the time, but when I hear someone say that they cannot take it, but everyone else should. Spells Bull * to safety. Heard immunity is this bull * mentality of others that believe the world is a near-perfect place. When instead, We have plethoras of people that run across the border everyday into the United States, Take international flights and land in the United States with ILLNESSES. COVID-19. bleh. There is a time and a reason for a Vaccine, there also ISNT. Because the law of nature works against us. The illnesses that are going to let us sit and rot in a bed for the rest of our life such as polio. is a GOOD reason to vaccinate. Something absurd such as the FLU, or Hepatitis is a dumb reason. Because we are breading SUPER BUGS.
"parents know their children best :)" my parents don't know a single thing about me, but ok sharon
If your parents don’t know anything about you, that’s probably your fault
@@cadebayerl8117 That is a pretty one sided mindset. With no other evidence other than their statement, at best, we can say both parties are at fault. But we cannot exclude the possibility that it is the fault of the parents for this apparent relationship between child and parent nor can we exclude environmental factors outside of both parties control that has lead to this and there is simply a lack of knowledge of this leading to a skewed perception on Nikolas's part.
B I G mood
"Its not a phase dad"
@@cadebayerl8117 yeah, it's totally my fault my dad doesn't want to know me.
What annoys me the most is that Melissa is anti-vax because her daughter can't get vaccinated so her daughter actually relies on herd immunity to not get seriously sick. Yes there are certain cases where vaccines are bad for a specific person but in my opinion I believe that this is all the more reason to be pro-vax because then you rely on herd-immunity to survive.
Caroline Borham finally someone said it🙌
Precisely! I am a huge advocate for vaccination because I cannot be vaccinated. I have allergies but went to the great effort and expense to be desensitised. I have since been diagnosed with an autoimmune disorder that means I don't develop immunity. I rely on other people to keep me safe and unfortunately people are increasingly making decisions that put me and people like me at risk.
🙌🙌
Caroline Borham Some people believe herd immunity doesn't exist.
Exactly!! I couldn't understand why she's Anti-Vaxx when it'll only benefit her child
I'm glad that you added the part in the end where you mentioned that the people were not radicalized, because there are actual anti-vax-activists out there who believe in conspiracy theories and are hostile and sometimes even violent towards doctors and experts, as you mentioned.
The fact that the covid drugs quite obviously failed to offer immunity to anything, renders the term "anti vax" moot.
Was anyone annoyed at how arrogant the anti-vax mothers were being? They were told a genuine statistic and opinion and they just shook their heads acting like they’re geniuses.
to be fair the stats are probably exaggerated to some extent, but that doesn't mean they're any less valid and worth considering (like I think Dr. Mike said 1/3000 or so instead)
I was irritated after the beginning when the redhead said a vaccine gave her arthritis because she was "too young to develop it", made me want to grab the woman and yell at her, "Explain that to me at 17 when I hadn't had a vaccine in over 2 years, Karen!" (That was when I was officially diagnosed with arthritis.) But the willingness to ignore than specialists story, too, about the child who had to lose all of his limbs to a preventable disease, also just irritated me further. How far does your head have to be up your ass to just ignore something like that, or statistics?
Trust the doctors....they went to school for four years or long just for this kind of stuff. YOU DIDN’T YOU WENT TO GOOGLE
I mean the anti vaxxers did not specifically you Tristian DR
the doctor in the video was arguing not to give accurate statistics but to make up stories to sell vaccines. The moment they believe in this voodoo they think they are doing the right thing to cover up an injury etc and when a whole cult does that their statistics are completely unreliable and very far off.
Please bring those vaccines to Africa, specifically Kenya. I know so many children who would really appreciate them.
That’s it! Where I live, there is no anti-vax vs pro-vax but when I see these lucky people who live in countries where they have easy access to vaccines turn their backs on them and play the victims... like so many countries and children would give anything to have their luck! It frustrates me so bad
@@Blondybeastfit agreed man. People don't understand how lucky they are unless it is taken away.
Nelson Mandela (2002 Vaccine Conference) --“Giving children a healthy start in life, no matter where they are born or the circumstances of their birth, is the moral obligation of every one of us. I find it heartbreaking that 3 million people, most of them children, die each year from diseases that we can prevent with simple, inexpensive vaccines. "
Don't Google 'free birth' you'll only get mad. These privileged Western parents have no idea how lucky they are.
@@Blondybeastfit I wish they knew how good they have it! Do they know the reason most of them are alive is because of the the same very vaccines they're denying their children!?
I feel like listening to any anti-vaxxer is BEYOND frustrating when you are from a third world country, rejecting vaccines comes from their privilege of living in a developed country that we most certainly don't have
People from third world countries know better than anyone how dangerous vaccines are since pharma loves to use them as guinea pigs. See, Im pretty sure they have caught on , and Im sure Africa probably doesnt appreciate Bill Gates giving them polio What a prick giving them the oral polio vaccine when we discontinued it here because it causes polio. More cases of vaccines der1ived polio exists today than the wild polio. So what is actually beyond frustrating is all of you just regurgitating the same old
fake vaccine stories you have been told all your life and never looking yourself to see if there is any truth to what we say at all. But hey, dont listen to us. Millions of us are all just delusional parents. Ha ha
@@dawn1568 yes you are who thinks earth is flat.
@@dawn1568 Nope, I'm from a third world country and we get all our vaccines here.
@@dawn1568 Polio cases have jumped off a cliff in India since the Pulse Polio Program. Shoo, condescending snowflake.
@@dawn1568 you are talking about unethical testing. But the topic here is whether vaccines (after due procedures or testing) is important or not.
I think understanding the compassion here has helped me a lot. I think I previously fell into the camp of believing that all anti-vaxxers were simply ignorant or misled, but seeing that there can be the statistical unlikelyhoods that affect them so personally, I can see why this would become an emotionally charged issue for them that would lead them to believe differently than what statistics would show. I think understanding their perspective can help people like me to understand why throwing statistics at them doesn't help, and how compassion is the real way to connect with real people.
I "understand" a mass-murderer has a psychotic personality and perhaps incurred abuse as a child = yet they are still a murderer........ "Empathy" only goes so far. We still have to confront the real world impact of vaccine resistance and what it facilitates. _Cause & Effect_ still applies here.........
What did you think about the discriminations, human right violations, about the violently forced human experiment vaccinations, about all the threatenings and suppression hundreds of millions of unvaccinated people had to face in the last few years globally?
How on earth could you people accept that other people were harassed, suppressed, threatened and discriminated by armed police forces payed by public money, by your corrupted nazi politicians, by your medical 'professionals'..:
Did you really think it is OK ?
Man.....
@@varyolla435
"Empathy" only goes so far. We still have to confront the real world impact of vaccine resistance and what it facilitates. Cause & Effect still applies here........."
WTF are you suggesting provaxers fanatic zealot?
Do you compare innocent, unvaccinated people who resist your crazy religion and human experiments to murderes and psychos?
Man, obviously not all provaxers are the same. But the real provaxers, the aggressive ones are the worst kind of monsters, the real successors of Hitler.