This guys reviews are insane. Crazy thorough detail, with a wealth of knowledge and extensive research that is well displayed and sourced. Props to you man! Earned a grateful sub :)
Hi Corbin Slaymaker, Welcome! I'm honored! Thanks for Joining Us! Appreciate Your Comments! And sometimes... In the weeds and down the rabbit hole! Our Goal is to Keep it Simple and Make it Work! Stay Tuned!
@@BuildOrBuy hey thanks for the reply! And hey, I know this is the wrong video to comment this on but now that you’re here. I found out my ASUS Maximus VIII doesn’t have the 14-1 connector for Thunderbolt 4. If I wanted a Thundeebolt 4 setup, would my best bet be to just buy a compatible board? And if so do you happen to know the cheapest board that is compatible with TB4? Sorry if this is such a direct question I’m just new to the PC Building game. Thanks for all your great content and info!
HI@@corbinslaymaker3346, Absolutely! Here to help! All good! Appreciate Your Comments! Yes. Two options. A Motherboard with Built-in Thunderbolt 4 or a Motherboard with Thunderbolt 4 support requiring a Thunderbolt AIC. Most User stick with the Brand they know. Which CPU do You have? Details matter! Do You have ASUS Maximus VIII - Intel Z170 Chipset? amzn.to/30HJFsV ASUS Thunderbolt 4 AIC www.asus.com/Motherboards-Components/Motherboards/Accessories/ThunderboltEX-4/ Requires: ASUS Intel 500 series and later models with 14-1 pin Thunderbolt header. ThunderboltEX 4 Card Compatible Model List dlcdnets.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/Add-on_card/ThunderboltEX_4/ThunderboltEX4_Card_Compatible_Model_List_add_B550-update.pdf Do You have a preference on Chipset? If not, Z590 Chipset. ASUS has 10 Intel Z590 Chipset Motherboards Listed below in descending order. 1. ROG STRIX Z590-E GAMING WIFI amzn.to/3G3o1zh 2. ROG STRIX Z590-F GAMING WIFI Not on Amazon. 3. ROG STRIX Z590-A GAMING WIFI amzn.to/3lYyQdW 4. TUF GAMING Z590-PLUS WIF amzn.to/2Z58bDY 5. TUF GAMING Z590-PLUS amzn.to/3BXtuFr 6. PRIME Z590-A amzn.to/3G1pNRI 7. PRIME Z590-P WIFI amzn.to/30HnqTY 8. PRIME Z590-P amzn.to/3jk5EfP 9. PRIME Z590-V amzn.to/3BX4RZK 10. PRIME Z590M-PLUS amzn.to/3pjjhj6 As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases. Hope that helps! Give me more Info and We can get more Specific. Change one thing, changes everything! Now if You have to change Motherboards, You may have to change CPUs. Do You have a Preference? This is about Audio, right? We have Outlined 4 Levels of Computer Builds. 1. 10 Core - Intel Z590 Chipset. 2. 16 Core - AMD B550 Chipset 4. TRX40 HEDT. 4. WRX80 Workstation. We can get Thunderbolt 4 on the 10 Core and 16 Core Builds but only Thunderbolt 3 on the TRX40 HEDT and WRX80 Workstation. Go figure.
I like your channel so much. It's like I am watching tech reviews from the 2000s with original computer knowledge, which I really appreciate as an old computer lover.
Hi S T A R R I M S, I'm honored! Very much Appreciate Your Comments! Been doing this since 1992 with a Live Audience. Finally decided We needed to start doing what We were telling everyone else to do, get it on RUclips! And now We are! Please, if We can answer a question, or provide some insight, let Us know! Here to help! Looks like We're going to have to Build this one out to fully understand Thunderbolt 4. Stay tuned!
First time here... You're the only one I've seen that actually uses a grounding cord. Lots of YT creators talk about it but they never actually do it on video. This is a board I'm very interested in, so thank you for doing this video and add another subscriber to your list.
Hi Shaun, Welcome! Appreciate Your Comments and Support! Im honored! We get feedback about that both ways. Some, like You understand ESD and those ramifications. Then there are others that don't have a clue and don't understand why their Motherboard may be failing! We've seen those Results over the Years. Musician? Thunderbolt 4 DAW!?! 20Gbps USB-C is easier to implement! What's Your Rendering engine? For a Purpose Built Computer, We use the Adobe Rendering Formula as a Guide. And that's just a Starting point whether Rendering Audio or Video!
@@BuildOrBuy So I'm a jewelry designer just getting into 3D rendering. I'm about to take a class in 3D printing using resin as the printing medium. I do enjoy building my own systems. There is so much out ther software wise and I want to build a system that favors the CPU doing the 3D rendering. What would you recommend for that? I defiantly will be diving deep into your videos to learn all I can. Thank you very much!
Hi@@shaunhall960, Excellent! Sounds like fun! You want Fast CPU Cores. Based on the CPU, since You're looking at this Motherboard, that would be the AMD 5950X. On the X670E Chipset that would be AMD 7950X. Faster CPU Cores, Faster RAM. Options. Either way, 16 CPU Cores on Consumer Desktop Motherboard. Any idea yet what 3D Software You'll be using? Do You have a 3D Printer in mind yet? This will be a purpose Built Computer! Might make a great Video!
I will literally dig through your videos to buy my computer parts to make sure you get the affiliate commissions because NO one goes through the details like you do on all of this! Thank you so much for the work and time you put into making these deep dive videos!
Thank you for doing this. I learn the most by watching your video. Your the best channel for PC built better than anyone else. Better than Linus, Gamernexus, JayzTwoCents.......
First of all, thanks for doing such wonderful and thorough reviews!! Not only is your channel informative but also it is revealing; in other words awesome! My question is regarding gpu and cpu compatibility. In this review, I heard you say: cpu cores equal gpu ram. So, let's say, if I had a cpu with 16 cores, I would need a gpu with 16 gb of ram, isn't it? But what would happen if I paired that cpu with a gpu with 24 gb of ram.
Hi Ruben Sanchez, Welcome! Absolutely! Thank You! Appreciate Your Comments! I'm honored! That's the Adobe After Effects Multi Frame Rendering CPU Optimization Formula. 1. CPU Cores x 4 = RAM 2. CPU Core Count = VRAM As a starting point! You're thinking an RTX 3090. Good match up! Whatever Your Rendering, You'll have the Processing Power for the Dataset! If You require more CPU Cores then Workstation! How big are Your Render files? What's Your Render engine? Adobe has the best Formula to follow for a Purpose Built Computer! Hope that helps! And remember to get a good UPS! Another aspect of a Workstation would be if You require ECC RAM. Changing one thing, changes everything!
@@BuildOrBuy Yes, Gill. I have the 5950 x and I'm thinking of pairing it with the rtx A5000 or, maybe, quadro P5000. And I'm fully aware that they are said to run hot (as you said in one of your videos), but the rtx A6000 is out of my budget at the moment. Regarding the size of the files that I often work on I would say that they aren't big since I do product design and concept car design as well. I use Alias, Blender, Keyshot, and V-Ray.
Hi CMDR Kuro no Kenshi, Welcome! Appreciate Your Comments! We're glad You found Us too! This Motherboard with a 16 Core CPU is a great place to Build and Thunderbolt 4 on AMD! Amazing! Keep Us posted on Your Build! Success and Best Wishes!
How have you found it? Would it be possible to use x2 EGPU (with 3090s) in the thunderbolt ports and have x2 3090s in the PCiE with an M.2 drives I would be doing rendering. if there are any drawbacks i'd have to tolerate would be good to hear from someone knowledgable about this, the material is a bit too advanced for me.
Hi@@jagz888, Welcome! Excellent Question. Great Motherboard. 16 Core CPU. However, For that answer I must ask... First, lets look at this from the GPUs. Do You have the 2 RTX 3090's? Congrats! Second, Let's look at this from the technology perspective. You want to take 2 PCIe 4.0 x16 RTX 3090s and place them onto 1 PCIe 3.0 x4 Lanes. Why not use a Motherboard with 2 x16 Lane PCIe 4.0 Slots electrically not just mechanically? Such as a TRX40 Motherboard which has 2 x16 Lane PCIe 4.0 Slots and 2 x8 Slots, electrically? Rendering is all about Processing Power. Based on the Adobe After Effects Multi Frame Rendering CPU Optimization Formula which states: 1. CPU Cores x 4 = RAM 2. CPU Core count = VRAM. Considerations to extrapolate from that... 1. VRAM: 2 RTX 3090s = 24GBs x 2 = 48GBs. 1 RTX A6000 = 48GBs. 2. PSU Requirements 2 RTX 3090s = 350 watts x 2 = 700 Watts. Whereas 1 RTX A6000 = 600 watts. A 1,500 Watt PSU vs a 1,200 Watt PSU. 3. Slot Width: 2 RTX 3090s = 3 Slots Wide? Whereas 1 RTX A6000 = 2 Slots wide. 4. Rendering software. Not all can or will make use of 2 Video adapters even if connected with an NVLink Bridge adapter. Hope that perspective helps. Thanks for Asking! Keep Us Posted on Your Progress! Thoughts?
@@jagz888 if you ask me, there is no reason to use 3090s let alone two of them in that sort of configuration. The effective performance would be bad, even if you don't consider in the heavy drawbacks of multi gpu. Big no to any configuration of the sort. Single gpu all the way. Multi gpu for vm passthrough that's it. Been there done it all. Waste of time, money, and electricity.
@@DanteIsAwake I GPU render My operation for work scales even when i mix GPUS with redshift, i dont play games at all to be honest you dont do my job, so you haven't done it all :P
Haha, Gill you're all over the map with this one. I suppose it's a blessing and a curse to be perhaps the most knowledgeable person on YT on this stuff but you could really use a producer or at lease a pro editor to help you get your message out. The people need your expertise on this stuff so I really appreciate you posting videos but for the average joe this would be just too hard to follow. You're an interesting fellow, so a little production value and set design I think you could blow up here on YT. You deserve it man.
Hi timotmon, Saw Your other message You deleted. We'll have to agree to disagree on that one! B550 Chipset? Workstation features due to ProArt but still a Desktop Motherboard due to the CPU. ProArt is marketed toward Content Creators. Like We mentioned in the previous Video, odd that Vendors are choosing 2.5GbE. Which means at the very least, 2 Computers and a 2.5GbE Switch. Whereas on the HEDT (TRX40) and Workstation (WRX80) Motherboards, 10GbE. Even a separate 10GbE NIC is at $100.00 or was before this mess. Agree, for the Network, who has 1GbE yet!?! We can dream! And yes, one could install a Mellanox adapter if they had the Resources which they do not hence this is not a Workstation. This is maybe a 3 to 5 year Computer. Right now, 16 Cores! 8 Years ago, 8 Cores. That's it! Perception and Perspective! ASUS ProArt - www.asus.com/us/proart/ Appreciate Your Input and Comments! Thanks for Watching! Your next message... Lots to cover in a short amount of time to make the case For and Against Building with this Motherboard. Thank You, I think. Content Creation could be Audio and or Video. Each is different but not mutually exclusive but prioritized accordingly. Since doing this Video, there are others who want to help and participate with the research on the DPC Latency issue. That may be several Videos due to the nature of the beast... The second Channel is for Behind the Scene, as You have noticed that's having to wait right now. That's about the Gear to make this Concert of BuildOrBuy a reality of what You see, what I say and what I'm doing. Appreciate Your Input. When We had a Live Show and Live Meeting We had more people working the Gear. 3 to be specific. Right now, I'm a one man band! Now if We stopped making BuildOrBuy Videos to address the Behind the Scene items You have mentioned, there We go. Timing right now is to get the message out! We have more lights, in a box for a Behind the Scenes Unboxing. Which will take 1 week to stage that. Then Film and implement. Going to have to just implement. Time... And I literally have to hibernate to Film! On to the next Video, Beginners Guide to the History of Capturing and Streaming! How's that? To reiterate, Appreciate Your Comments! Helps Us to make better Videos! We're working on it! My crew now is me, myself and I and the good Lord! Stay tuned! Again, Thanks for Watching!
@@BuildOrBuy Thanks Gill, I'm not even sure what I said in the deleted message. Maybe I disagreed with myself.. not sure. But I do agree with you that this is not a workstation grade set up.. But I do see a lot of workstation-like capabilities in that this board appeals to content creators specifically.. But if I was about to say otherwise then I retroactively stand corrected :)
Hi@@timotmon, All good. Very much Appreciate Your Comments! I Love my Subscribers! Your Comments helps Us to make better Videos! Great Motherboard for what it does. After all, Thunderbolt 4 on AMD! We need to see more of that! What I don't get is why We're not seeing Thunderbolt 4 on HEDT or Workstations! Very curious. And trying to figure out if Thunderbolt 4 Built-on is better or if Thunderbolt 4 Add in card is better. Don't know yet. Thought Thunderbolt 4 built-on was only on 1 port Video. Finding out different now. No matter what the Docs say, We have to Build, Test and Verify to know. Experience is the best teacher!
Hi@@timotmon, Correct! Thunderbolt 3! Initially, Gigabyte stated the 2 Add in cards would be included. Alas, once available, all of that info was scrubbed! No Aorus M.2 NVMe x16 AIC and No Thunderbolt 3 AIC. But We do have the Thunderbolt 3 Header for Bios support to allocate Memory for Thunderbolt Devices! And that's the Motherboard We're leaning toward. However, overall, the Gigabyte TRX40 Designare does have those Components making that the better deal! We've always provided Build Specs over the years. But it was always one Computer. Now We can Outline 4 Levels of Computer Builds which We have never had before which is quite interesting.
Hi bistrobmusic, Good to hear from You! Could a, should a, would a. We hear that! Thought the same thing when We Upgraded Our AMD FX-8350s several years ago. That's why We waited to Build a Ryzen 2nd Generation 1800x and now here We are! You should be good for 2 years. And that would be ZEN4! Thanks for Watching! Stay tuned!
Hey Gill, love how in depth you go with this video. I bought this motherboard that was recommended to me so i could use my UAD apollo solo on my windows desktop (wich is way more powerfull than my laptop). Last 3 days i did everything with software, drivers, connections,... nothing works and i keep getting sound stuttering when using the audio interface. After 2 minutes sound cuts off and videos don't play anymore. Im using a Ryzen 9 3900 with gtx1080ti and 32gb of ram and a 980 pro nvme as bootdrive in combination with a 970 evo plus as extra storage. After seeing this video i realized this motherboard wasn't fit for my needs and hopefully i can return it. Just a question, wich motherboard would u recommend that would fit my needs? is the upgrade to the Asus proart x570 good for me?
Hello unethimusic8789, Welcome! Appreciate Your Comments! Possibly. Thunderbolt is a PITA. Everything has to done in order for everything to work. The delineation, a prioritization of Specifications. Thunderbolt 3 or Thunderbolt 4. Audio, OK. PCIe Tunneling? Thunderbolt 4. Lots to consider. Lots of options with Built-in obsolescence. Look at Your options and weigh the outcome. Yes that should do what You want for now or You may prefer X670E. Pay attention to Your Bios Updates! Hope that helps! Keep Us Posted on Your Progress!
Loved this full overview and thorough explanation! 💚 I just bought this board because of its gorgeous appearance and because it provides all the essentials for my video editing needs. Though I would have preferred 10gbe ethernet over thunderbolt 4 since I don't yet have need for thunderbolt 4. It hasn't arrived yet so I'm Still confused about the Pcie resource lanes though. I currently have an 'old' Pcie 3.0 m.2 ssd, if I ever got a Pcie 4.0 m.2 ssd (while using a rtx3090 graphics card inserted) would I be able to run the two m.2 cards as well as the graphics card all at full lane speed? And what if I want to insert a 10gbe card and/or a Bluetooth card 🤔 Lastly, the display port in confuses me. I'm not using an 8k monitor but my 3090 card can run 8k. On Asus' website you should be able to use two thunderbolt 4 ports for one 8k monitor or 2 4k monitors using each port. But you say on only one port exports video. It's also strange that then the motherboards hdmi 2.1 out only goes up to 60hz whereas with 2.1 you should usually get 4k 120hz. Seems like I'm better off just exporting video straight out of my gpu to monitor(s).
Hi Mike0193Azul, Welcome! Thank You very much! Appreciate Your Comments! Yes, beautiful design choices! Thunderbolt 4 on AMD is the number one reason for this Motherboard! Agreed, 10GbE, absolutely! Makes more sense. However, slim pickens on PCIe Resources. And that's why they made that design choice. 1 PCIe Lane for 2.5GbE vs 4 PCIe Lanes for 10GbE. Bummer right! More on that PCIe Resource issue below. You can use both M.2 NVMe Connectors but if You do or did, to gain something, You lose something else. Not having a Wifi & Bluetooth card is an advantage for a Digital Audio Workstation for that type of Content Creation. Due to DPC Latency, that would be the first things to turn off to prevent stuttering. Windows is not a real time O/S. And the constant polling of Devices, creates timing issues. ASUS ProArt B550 Creator www.asus.com/us/Motherboards-Components/Motherboards/ProArt/ProArt-B550-CREATOR/techspec/ 1. ** PCIe 3.0 x4 will be switched from Thunderbolt 4 to PCIEX16_3 if the slot is populated; by then Thunderbolt 4 will have no output. 2. *** These PCIe x1 slots share bandwidth with M.2_2, which runs at PCIe 3.0 x4 by default. You may go to BIOS setting to set M.2_2 to PCIe 3.0 x4 or x2 at will. 3. Appears both Thunderbolt ports provide Video from reports We've received. That is not indicated by the PDF nor the Block Diagram. Which means there's a Splitter on that Incoming Display Port Video Resource. Which is very interesting. The only way to acquire more PCIe Resources would be to utilize a different chipset like the TRX40 (HEDT) or WRX80 (Workstation). Change one thing, changes everything. BTW: Many Users are experiencing 5950x WHEA Errors. Appears to be power related. Furthermore use RAM with Micron Chips! Unless You opt for Samsung B die RAM. Higher quality RAM. 4. Step through the Bios Updates. Do NOT skip any! Updating the Bios Firmware also Updates the CPU AGESA Code. 5. Set Power parameters to High Performance. Never sleep anything! And when You Build, keep it Simple! No Add in Cards until up and running. Driver order: 6. Motherboard Chipset. 7. Video Card Drivers. 8. Thunderbolt Drivers. Display Port IN - To Route Video into Thunderbolt. Crazy right. Why not just plug Video from Video Card directly into Monitor. Makes more sense. You have an RTX 3090, Congrats! How wide? That might be a problem if more than 2 Slots wide. Thunderbolt does 3 things. Data Delivery, Power and Video. On this Motherboard, Video has to be ingested from the Video card into Thunderbolt hence the Display Port IN connector. Hope that helps! Did I miss anything? Success on Your Build! If You need any help, let Us know. Thanks for Asking!
Thank you for all your videos! I've recently finished a build with this motherboard and I've had great results except for this issue: The computer is only recognizing one of my two displays that are coming through a single thunderbolt 4 cable; Both of these displays and all my other peripherals are connected to a Thunderbolt 4 docking stations (TS4). On my work machine, which is a Macbook, I have no issue detecting all peripherals and both displays through the same single Thunderbolt 4 cable; but this newly built machine with this motherboard can only detect one of the two displays. Any idea as to what could be causing this?
Hi Brian Simmons, Welcome! Thank You very much! The Manual has extensive Info about Thunderbolt Monitor Connection. However, nothing about Devices! Speculating this is a Device or Docking Station or Bandwidth issues. To diagnose, verify all Devices are Intel compatible by checking the Thunderbolt Device List from Thunderbolt Association. Then one by one, isolate accordingly. Sometimes that site is down or slow to load. Appears to be working right now. Link below. Hope that helps! Thunderbolt is a tedious hassle to get working on an AMD PC but doable with Patience, Persistence and Perseverance! Keep Us Posted on Your Progress! "Products | Thunderbolt Technology Community" www.thunderbolttechnology.net/products
I wish it was clearer that if you want thunderbolt 4 to work you can't have anything in the third PCI Express slot Apparently it shares van with so if you want to use a graphics card and a 10 gig Nic your Sol I suppose I'll have to get a thunderbolt 4 10 gig adapter and hope that it's as stable as PCI Express
Hi Reedith Graham, Welcome! Not enough PCIe Resources to go around! The 1st x16 PCIe Slot when used with 2nd x16 PCIe Slot, both will be x8, electrically. Or get a Single Port 10-GbE NIC. ASUS was the 1st. Both of these only require 4 PCIe Lanes. Both are Copper. 1. ASUS XG-C100C 10G Network Adapter Pci-E X4 Card with Single RJ-45 Port amzn.to/3211oMF 2. 10Gb PCI-E Network Card NIC Compatible for Intel X520-DA1(Intel E10G42BTDA), Single SFP+ Port, with Intel 82599EN Controller amzn.to/3IPCdh4 Thunderbolt 10Gb Ethernet Adapters 3. Sonnet Solo 10G Thunderbolt 3 to 10 Gigabit Ethernet Fanless Adapter with NBASE-T Support amzn.to/3ykMeh6 bhpho.to/3dJnvd4 4. CalDigit Connect 10G - Thunderbolt 3 to 10Gb Ethernet Adapter for Mac and PC, Thunderbolt 4 Compatible amzn.to/3IJorfD bhpho.to/3shF7Fx As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases. As B&H Affiliate, I earn from qualifying purchases. We have no experience with any of these. Hope that helps!
If you want displayport over usb-c in a desktop RTX 2000 and some RX 6000 series gpus have usb-c, otherwise there is a Wacom link plus you can get that injects displayport or hdmi into usb-c.
Hi Lead Foot, Welcome! Displayport over USB-C is usually something most often asked about for Laptop Users. No one asks about that on a Desktop. Appreciate Your Comments! Thanks for Sharing!
Would it be possible to use x2 EGPU (with 3090s) in the thunderbolt ports and have x2 3090s in the PCiE with an M.2 drives I would be doing rendering. if there are any drawbacks i'd have to tolerate would be good to hear from someone knowledgable about this, the material is a bit too advanced for me.
Hi jagz888, Anything is possible. But practical? The ASUS B550 ProArt only has that 1 PCIe x16 Slot electrically. Look to Your previous Question for that Answer. So now We're talking about 4 RTX 3090's. Correct? Better off using 2 RTX A6000s. Better use of Resources. That would require a WRX80 for the Slots. However, with 4 RTX 3090s, those now need to be 2 Slots Wide instead of 3 Slots Wide. Running out of physical space! You still need 2 x16 Lane PCIe 4.0 Slots, electrically. That works in the TRX40 for CPU Cores and PCIe Resources. If You were using 1 RTX A6000 with 48GBs VRAM, this ASUS ProArt B550 with a 16 Core CPU? Not a good match. 16 CPU Cores = 16GBs VRAM. You would want at least a 32 Core CPU based on the Adobe AE Formula We've Outlined. And to reiterate, that Formula is a starting point! Hope that helps!
Hi Wet Paint Contemporary, Thank You! Even though not in Your wheelhouse, very much Appreciate Your Comments! You may decide to Build later! We can help when ready!
Hi d4nith3, Yes. Can be used for other USB Devices. Just remember what's what when you need it, if and when you need it. Most Users don't think logically when in an emotional state.
Hi Gill. Nice to see you back. "clear the cmos" would that delete any existing RAID on a quad card? Would a PLX chip SSD7505 RAID0 be saved even if I cleared the cmos? Is time linear or do I just perceive it that way?
Hi Max! What's it been, 4 days? Déjà vu!?! A Hybrid Bios RAID should still exist. That is effectively turning off the RAID. Once turned back on, the RAID array should still be present. Are You experiencing a time jump or jet lag! All good! We're going to have to do a separate video about Types and Levels of RAID. Next up, Capturing and Streaming Overview. Stay tuned!
I just want to run thunderbolt to a dock with an hdmi 2.1 port Can this motherboard handle that? I have a Stardock showing on the motherboard now but it says "not connected" in the thunderbolt control panel
Hi DFKnightmare, Welcome! Great Question! What Bios version? Did You make adjustments in Bios for Thunderbolt? Alpine Ridge or Titan Ridge? That may be an issue with Security Level. Startech Thunderbolt Dock? Which Model? You may have to cycle through some of those Thunderbolt settings for proper Configuration. The Memory Apertures are labeled differently than what We've seen before for Devices to connect and stay connected. Those may need to be increased. Thunderbolt MMIO Resource. No way to change the Value in Memory size. Only Full, Half or Three Quarters. Odd setting. The RTD3 is Runtime D3. A Power Saving mode. This is all High Performance. That could possibly cause grief. Don't use Power Saving mode for anything! Not even Your Power Profile! Yes, there's a Thunderbolt Wake Up command. Keep it Simple. Keep Us Posted! Thunderbolt is finicky. Everything has to be just right to work correctly.
Have you tried building with this? I have it and an 5900 and for some reason you can't get the TB4 to work, be seen or install. It just says the board is not supported when you try to install the TB drivers from ASUS or elsewhere. This appears to be a common issue when I hit the Googles for help
Hi Scott Selfridge, Welcome! No We have not as of yet. We do know Thunderbolt is very finicky with the order of Drivers. 1. Motherboard Chipset. 2. Video card 3. Thunderbolt Chipset Drivers. Then Thunderbolt Control Panel Drivers. This Motherboard may require a Bios Update. Which Bios version are You running? Keep Us posted on Your progress!
@@BuildOrBuy - I'll try a fresh install and pay attention to that order. I'm on the latest 2403 BIOS. I've thought about jumping through each version of the BIOSs to see if I can get it to pop. I have ticket in with ASUS right now and I'll keep you posted.
Hi@@imdrecordings, Yes! Always step through each Bios Update. Notice each Revision is of a different size. Without an errata document, the notes provided are sparse and incomplete. Remember: The Hardware must be seen by the Bios before the O/S can do anything. And what do You see in the Bios about Thunderbolt?
@@BuildOrBuy Some updates. 1. installing each version of the BIOS updates in order seemed to have triggered a Thunderbolt firmware that I had not experienced by just jumping to the latest, that I can recall. 2. The reason TB was not showing or registering was due to my UAD2 Octo PCIe card being in the PCIE 3 slot (bottom slot on the mobo) which shares a bus with the TB controller. Once I removed the card entirely, the TB4 started working. I'm going to do so more testing and put my UAD2 card in different slots as well as I'm still testing the TB4 performance.
Hi@@imdrecordings, 1. This is a good reminder to always step through each Bios Update. This helps Us to not take anything for granted so We can make better Videos! 2. When Building a new Computer, Keep it Simple and Basic! Then Add in stuff one at a time! *UAD-2 DSP PCIe Card - UAD Accelerator - Universal Audio* www.uaudio.com/uad-accelerators/uad-2-pcie.html x1 PCIe 3.0 - Watch Your PCIe Resource allocations! Those are shared Resources, NOT dedicated! www.asus.com/us/Motherboards-Components/Motherboards/ProArt/ProArt-B550-CREATOR/techspec/ 1. PCIe 3.0 x4 will be switched from Thunderbolt 4 to PCIEX16_3 if the slot is populated; by then Thunderbolt 4 will have no output. 2. These PCIe x1 slots share bandwidth with M.2_2, which runs at PCIe 3.0 x4 by default. You may go to BIOS setting to set M.2_2 to PCIe 3.0 x4 or x2 at will. Hope that helps!
Hi sir from INDIA. Is Gigabyte Z590 Vision D better or ASUS ProArt B550-Creator better for 3d artists for 3D Lighting and 3D rendering (Autodesk Maya software ) for AMD Ryzen 9 5900X CPU
Hi Prasad Mai, Beyond the capabilities of the Chipset, the next and most important Question would be CPU Cores. For that, 10 Cores (Gigabyte Z590) vs 16 Cores (ASUS ProArt B550 Creator). For the Best Formula We have to date from Adobe for Rendering, more CPU Cores are better! Hope that helps! Thanks for Asking! Success! Keep Us Posted on Your Project! Now You need a Video card with Video RAM to match the CPU Core Count!
Hi D•ACE, Welcome! Absolutely! Thunderbolt 4 (4 PCIe Lanes) on AMD and 16 Core CPU Build, is a great Computer for the money! However, for a DAW, WiFi anything would have to be turned off due to DPC Latency. But if Wifi 6 were a necessity, then adding a WiFi 6 PCIe Single Lane Card would be doable. And another M.2 NVMe would require 4 more PCIe Lanes. Not enough PCIe Resources to go around. Tough calls. At least Users will know about the trade offs before they Purchase if they watch this Video. Interesting ASUS chose the B550 Chipset instead of the X570 Chipset as the foundation for Thunderbolt 4 on AMD. And that's what this Motherboard is all about. Thanks for Sharing Your thoughts! This helps Us to make better Videos!
@@BuildOrBuy Hey build or buy for a x2 EGPU with x2 3090 with m.2 do you think this board can handle it? or should i pick up a tRX40designare or aWRX80 id love to not have to pay a fortune for a thread ripper my ryzen 9 serves me well.
Hi@@jagz888, Lots to consider as outlined from Your previous Excellent Questions! The TRX40 Designare would be a better choice. If You do not already have the 2 RTX 3090's suggest considering the RTX A6000. However, using 2 RTX 3090's on the Gigabyte TRX40 Designare would negate the ability to utilize the Aorus M.2 NVMe PCIe x16 Quad AIC that is included the box. Hope that helps! Always options and always tradeoffs. We think the Gigabyte TRX40 Designare is the best value for a Motherboard in Resources.
Hi Jim Brannan, Welcome! Glad You asked! I feel like a broken record. The Gigabyte TRX40 Designare. Includes the Gigabyte Titan Ridge Thunderbolt 3, PCIe 3.0 Add in card and the Gigabyte Aorus x16 Quad Adapter for 4 M.2 NVMe PCIe Drives, PCIe 4.0. Best value in Motherboards, PCIe Resources and Chipsets. Thanks for Asking! Clarity! We have several Videos on that Motherboard. And on M.2 NVMe PCIe Quad cards from ASUS, ASRock, Gigabyte and Glotrends. And several Videos on Thunderbolt cover 3, 4 and 5. However, the Gigabyte TRX40 Designare can only do Thunderbolt 3. We've spent a lot of time on this issue in discussing the 4 Levels of Computer Builds We recommend for Content Creation. 1. Entry Level: 10 Core, Intel Z590 2. Secondary Level: 16 Core, AMD B550 and X570 Chipsets 3. Third Level: AMD TRX40 Chipset HEDT 4. Fourth Level: AMD WRX80 Chipset Workstation Gigabyte TRX40 Designare amzn.to/30XusUJ As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases. Hope that helps! Thanks for Asking! Stay Tuned!
I prefer GIGABYTE B550 VISION D that has bluetooth and WIFI native. Then you don't have to use PCIe slots on that. By the way Vegas Pro is still pretty heavy on CPU when rendering, but it uses considerable more GPU power when choosing NVENC when rendering.
Hi all kinds of things, Looks like We're going to have to do a Video on DPC Latency. WiFi is the 1st thing to go! How are You using Your Computer for Content Creation? Video will be fine. Audio is where the problem is encountered. Not having WiFi is an asset for a Pro Audio Interface. Appreciate Your Sharing! Besides, the Gigabyte B550 Vision D is Thunderbolt 3. If OK with Thunderbolt 3, the Gigabyte TRX40 is a better investment for all Resources. Changing one thing, changes everything! Options! Always curious about the choices. We need to do a Video and Show what We're experiencing Rendering with Vegas Pro 18. 80% GPU according to Windows Task Manager, Performance tab! Have not tested DaVinci Resolve again yet. That might help place things in perspective against the Adobe AE MFR CPU Optimization Formula! Thanks for that idea! Proof is in the doing!
Hi Animalistic Records, Just now seeing Your message! Here's the PCIe Resource layout straight from ASUS: 1. PCIe 3.0 x4 will be switched from Thunderbolt 4 to PCIEX16_3 if the slot is populated; by then Thunderbolt 4 will have no output. 2. These PCIe x1 slots share bandwidth with M.2_2, which runs at PCIe 3.0 x4 by default. You may go to BIOS setting to set M.2_2 to PCIe 3.0 x4 or x2 at will. Should not be that way but with limited PCIe Resources, it is what it is. Great Motherboard for Audio. Due to DPC Latency, will still require tweaking but since no WiFi, one less thing to disable! Hope that helps! Thanks for Asking! BTW: 1. Appears both Thunderbolt Ports send Video to both Ports. Which means there's a Splitter not noted in the Diagram! 2. Due to 5950x WHEA Errors, that appears to be Power related. A. Step through each Bios Revision. B. Change all Power Settings to High Performance. C. Use RAM on QVL. Preferably Micron or Samsung B Die. Success! Keep Us Posted on Your Progress!
So if I'm doing an audio build with a single graphics card and 2 m.2 drives (no raid) and a thunderbolt interface, does this board work or do I need the trx40?
Hi Steve Wright, Excellent Question. Those 2 - M.2 NVMe Drives are NOT running at the same speed. 1. PCIe 4.0 = 7,000MBps. 2. PCIe 3.0 = 3,500MBps. Does that help! Are You OK with that? Otherwise, Yes! Thoughts?
@@BuildOrBuy thank you for your reply. That is what I thought and I am ok with that. The fast gen 4 drives are really expensive, especially the 4 TB ones, so I will likely start with a smaller gen 4 and larger gen 3 drive & upgrade in 2 or 3 years when drive prices fall. I should be able to get around 7 years of life out of my build which is what I'm hoping for and I think having TB 3 or 4 connectivity is a key component of that if you are going for an audio build.
Hi@@arcticfoxstudios2018, Good call. Whatever You do now, Yes You can always Upgrade. For Virtual Instruments, suggest a 2TB Boot Drive for Primary PCIe 4.0 Drive. That should work for 2 years unless You have an expansive Library of say Native Instruments Libraries. TB3 or TB4, expect awhile before We see TB4 Audio interfaces. Your safe with a TB3 Audio interface. Keep Us posted on Your progress! Thanks for Sharing! This helps Us to make better Videos!
Hi Viett, Welcome! Clarity! Due to Thunderbolt 4, use M.2_1 which is PCIe 4.0 to the CPU using a 16 Core 5950 CPU. M.2_2 is through the Chipset at PCIe 3.0. Hope that helps! Thanks for Watching!
@@BuildOrBuy Thank you for the response. I also have the Gigabyte Titan Ridge 2.0 and it came with a 5pin/3pin cable and another 3pin Thunderbolt header cables. My question is where can I get a replacement for these Thunderbolt header cables? I already broke those cables
@@Viettzz Hi Viett, Bummer! Gigabyte Titan Ridge 2.0 or Gigabyte Maple Ridge? Do You still have the packaging? Each Cable was in a Bag. The Part Number is on the Bag. No bag? www.gigabyte.com/us/Motherboard/Thunderbolt-Card At the moment Gigabyte has removed the Info on some of those Thunderbolt AICs. Odd! 1. Thunderbolt Header Cable: Gigabyte P/N: 12CF1-1SHR01-21R 2. USB Cable: Gigabyte P/N: 12CR1-UB040-11R [USB Header 10 Pin Female to Female]. www.gigabyte.com/us/Support/Accessory Not Listed under Motherboard Parts. Suggest Contact Gigabyte Tech Support. Be ready to give them a bunch of details that have nothing to do with what You're asking about. Those 2 Part Numbers are from the Gigabyte Titan Ridge 1.0 and should be the same as 2.0. I looked and cannot locate either of them. BTW: Found this for USB Header 10 Pin. Too long! And You would have to remove the Pins. Duttek USB Header Extension Cable, USB Motherboard Cable, USB Header 10 Pin Male to Female Header Extender Extension Dupont Jumper Wires Cable 1M/3.3Ft amzn.to/2VB1wyV As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases. Looks like the original ASUS Cable. I think this is the same. Contact Seller to verify. Thunderbolt M3 header cable 5 pin female to 5 pin female, TB M3 cable www.ebay.com/itm/164546788241 Your other option: Asus Motherboard ThunderboltEX Card 10 Pin to 5 Pin Connectivity Cable - Contact this Vendor and see what they would charge to make them. www.moddiy.com/products/Asus-Motherboard-ThunderboltEX-Card-10-Pin-to-5-Pin-Connectivity-Cable.html Hope that helps! Thanks for Asking! Keep Us Posted on Your progress!
disable Windows 10’s automatic driver installation via Windows Update in gpedit.msc since you cannot prevent it from forcing a GPU driver from May 2020 onto the system that leads to BSoDs.
Hi Tristan Mich, Welcome! We're seeing reports about the Thunderbolt 4 Drivers being a problem. But You are also having problems installing the other Drivers? What Error message are You seeing? Are You using the CD or did Your Download from Drivers from ASUS?
Hi@@TristanMich, Did You have an Internet connection during the install? Did You try installing Drivers without the Internet connection? What Display adapter are You using? Drivers need to be in order: 1. Motherboard chipset. 2. Display Drivers. 3. Thunderbolt Drivers.
Hi@@TristanMich, That should not have been necessary. You could have disconnected from the Internet until the Drivers were installed. Thanks for Sharing Your process.
Hello im about 25 min in the vid and I have all the parts for my pc coming in this week im also doing an audio build I'll only need a thunderbolt port for my apollo interface will I also be able use 2 m.2 ssds or 1?... also a simple graphics card? Hopefully you understand this thanks in advance.
Hi Traven Lee, Welcome! Outstanding! Congrats! 1. Bios may require an Update for Thunderbolt 4 functionality. Step through if more than one. This was happening with Gigabyte. Check and verify. 2. In Bios, under Thunderbolt allocate Memory for connected Devices. Should be 2 Settings. 3. Suggest using 1 M.2 NVMe. The primary one to the CPU. 4. Due to NVIDIA deprecating older Video cards and due to Windows 11 due out in 6 months, suggest for NVIDIA anything RTX. Preferably RTX 30xx. For AMD, Radeon RX 550 or better. Hope that helps! Success on Your Build! For a Video card, go no lower than this: Yeston Radeon RX550 Gaming Graphics Cards, 2GB/4GB Memory GDDR5 128Bit 6000MHz VGA + HD + DVI-D GPU (4GB RAM) amzn.to/2SEwd5u As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases. In different times, We would recommend a different Video card. It's more about what You can get instead of what You want. That should change by next year.
Hi@@travenlee, Absolutely! After the Build, You'll need to Optimize for Audio! Starting with Power settings then DPC Latency. Keep Us Posted on Your Progress!
Hello, can someone help me please. I’ve made a pc with gigabyte vision d-p b550, ryzen 5950x and then I connect universal audio Arrow thunderbolt card all the system starts freezing, sound from card is stuttering, repeating, glitching and card reconnecting. I’ve tried to disable core parking, power management, bios throttling setups, c-state, c6, boost overdrive, different drivers, reinstalling windows - everything I found in different troubleshootings, but have NO effect. If anyone know how to setup this please write here. Thanks!
Hi@@dmitrylosev628, We need to optimize Your Computer for Audio! 1. Power settings - High Performance! 2. DPC Latency... Looks like We need to do another Video on this topic alone!
@@BuildOrBuy I tried this ofcourse. I think its a buggy thunderbolt controller. After inserting flash drive in this thunderbolt/usb-c input, windows even doesnt see this thunderbolt in dev manager :(
Hi@@dmitrylosev628, You have the Gigabyte Vision D-P B550 Motherboard. www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/B550-VISION-D-P-rev-10#kf Not necessarily, You may need a Bios Update. I know, it's brand new. What Bios version do You have? We have found Thunderbolt to be very finnicky in the specifics of order of Drivers. And We always test Thunderbolt with USB-C connectivity first. Then Thunderbolt connectivity. Did You approve the Device from the Thunderbolt Control panel? If Thunderbolt does not show up in the Device Manager, then there should be a Driver with a Question mark. What do You see in Device Manager?
There’s an entire forum of other owners who can’t it to work the drivers Asus has supplied us with are Intel locked so we can’t do much to get anything to work.
Hi@@syn6773, Appreciate Your follow-up. Intel Drivers locked. OK. Give me a few days. That should be easy to solve. I could be wrong but will try. Since this is Thunderbolt 4, an Intel Reseller should be able to access those Drivers! I do know the Driver model is vastly different. Stay tuned!
Hi Shannon Bailey, Good to hear from You! There's a strong possibility since this is the only Solution for Thunderbolt 4 on AMD that We are are aware of at this time. We thought there was going to be a new announcement from AMD on the 5000 series CPUs. That tuned out to be much ado about nothing. Therefor, 16 Cores stands. As to when, crystal ball forecast. We still need Video cards or else We start cannibalizing other machines! We're talking to another Subscriber about DPC Latency. And that needs to be addressed. Are You considering doing a Build on this ASUS ProArt B550 Creator Motherboard?
I was, but optioned for the WRX80 this go around, but did strongly consider the B550 build.... I could still build it as a General puropse Video Editing PC that will allow me to use the Adobe Suite....
Hi@@shannonbailey8515, I can make a case for any of the 4 Levels of Computer System Builds for a purpose Built Computer. As far as PCIe Resources, the WRX80 is front and center! And for Thunderbolt 3, Gigabyte! If We could just get the other Components! Sounds like You're having better luck on that than We are! Keep Us posted on Your progress! You could do Dual Boot on that WRX80 if so inclined. Just a thought. Personally, I prefer a separate Computer which means Building 2 Computers! And there We go again!
Hi Shannon Bailey, Excellent Question. Based on the Specs and what We're reading, ECC Ram should work but in non ECC Mode. Only way to know is to test and verify. We should have regular RAM on hand just in case. Thanks for Asking! DDR4 128GB kits are getting ridiculously expensive right now.
I found a 128GB kit of ECC RAM at 3200Mhz ( 8 Dimms ) on Amazon from Nemix RAM at about $670.00 I check with Kingston first, as I have a WRX80 Motherboard on the way from Gigabyte, and the Threadripper Pro 3955WX CPU, I will be purchasing that Nemix Kit ( RDIMM ) next, along with the AMD Radeon Pro W5500 GPU for now, until the NVIDIA RTX A4000 that has ECC Memory is available.... based on what I could find that card should be priced at around $1,500.00 when it becomes available.... I could option for the new Radeon Pro W6600 GPU from AMD when it comes available, but I will be seeking the RTX A4000 card before the AMD card.... The Radeon Pro W6800 Card which also has ECC memory will be priced at MSRP for around $2,100.00... I will be posting videos of that new upgrade to my former Threadripper build soon ( Lord willing ).... I plan on using the same Seasonic GX1000 powersupply, NZXT Case, and NZXT X73 Liquid Cooler.... for now, as that cooler has proven to function well, as we also mentioned it's more about functionality, rather than Aesthetics ..... I am also considerning Linux Ubunto Studio as the OS, vs Windows as Windows just seems to really slows down my computer, and interfere with some of the software I use, I believe we talked about that before too...thanks for the Reply
Hi @@shannonbailey8515, We have never used that Brand of RAM although it's made for Workstations and Servers. Let Us know what You think. You're going to have an Outstanding Build! Congrats! This Video card issue may ease up a bit by the Fall. Like the weather though, hard to tell until We see it happen! Every time We look at the virtues of Linux, We have the reality of the applications staring back at Us in Windows. We're going to have to do a Video on DPC Latency which is like the elephant in the room. Keep Us posted on Your Build! Success!
Thanks again for your reply, yeah I don't know about NEMIX either, but based some forums I have come across, some people have found it works just fine, others claiming they had a dead stick in their kit.... So, I have been looking at Kingston again.... I know that I am able to purchase the ECC Ram sticks from Kingston, but individually, not in a kit,..... which means I would have to order 8 separate sticks, instead of a all in one kit.... Now I am trying to determine, do I want Hynix or Micron, what density, what die..... I'm just trying to get it right the first time, and I also noticed that 3DS RDIMM is supported on this board.... Don't know which route to go on this one....I haven't found enough info on Gigabytes website about this, and I am still searching online for direction on this one....256Gb has become more appealing as well, as opposed to 128gb....but its substantially more expensive by comparison, like 3 times the cost...Yeah got the CPU in today, the Motherboard is suppose to be hear Wednesday.... Still will need to get the GPU, and RAM in though.... I will probably order the GPU later today, and will look more into the RAM, before spending anything on it....
Disappointing on many levels... An upscale (Asus) X570 motherboard is a far better choice until the A5 chipset comes out. Then ProArt will likely offer a better proposition.
Hi NevadaScrubJay, Welcome! Remember, this has Thunderbolt 4 built on to the Motherboard. It's ASUS and ProArt. Agree, would have thought ASUS would have aimed higher on the food chain. But for Thunderbolt 4 and a 16 Core CPU, it's better than the Intel Z570 with a 10 Core CPU! But it's NOT a HEDT! The ProArt line looks great in paper. Let's hope ASUS will step up and ramp up! Appreciate Your Comments!
@@BuildOrBuy New news... Asus yesterday announced a new X570 Pro Art Motherboard. I have yet to find it online or on their website. I am not sure what the "Pro Art" mb does other than thunderbolt and more fast USB interfaces. My guess is that has limited/diminishing returns unless other peripheral are much faster. The AMD A5 chipset with next gen memory and PCIE would make that a difference. Faster RAM and a the new AMD Ryzen Pro Gpu that is coming about Sept/Oct will do something. But, my opinion is that the Asus "ProArt" at present is snake oil. I have done this research because I am looking to do a build for one of my adult daughters that is an employee at Arizona State and does online web stuff at ASU. Her team also has contracts with NASA and MIT. Do to Covid she works at home and primarily uses the University supplied laptop that I consider to be junk.
Hi@@NevadaScrubJay, Very interesting. Have not seen anything on that yet! Only AMD A520 Chipset. Thanks for Sharing! Let Us know When You know more! AMD on a new Chipset will be 12 months after Intel releases their new gear. AMD Ryzen Pro CPU? Threadripper III 5000 series? Or AMD Radeon Pro GPU? The 32GB version? The ASUS ProArt on paper looks good, but! ASUS has to do better than the B550! That was about Thunderbolt 4. Just a teaser! Even the x570 is short on PCIe Resources! If You had to Build Right now, consider the TRX40. PCIe 4.0. If You wait on AMD for PCIe 5.0, that's 12 months off, minimum. I hear where You're coming from! OK for Browsing. Forget working with it or on it! Slower than Christmas and not half as exciting!
Hello thumbwarriordx, Welcome! Good point! We've come a long way in a short amount of time! We Build According to a Content Creation Purpose Built Computer. We use the Adobe After Effects Multi Frame Rendering CPU Optimization Formula. 1. CPU Cores x 4 = RAM 2. CPU Core Count = VRAM Perception and Perspective! Thanks for Sharing!
Hi bistrobmusic, We're looking for a Radeon 6800 for Nathaniel. And have him Listed for an RTX 3080 TI in two places. Video card prices are nuts. Intel is quoted as saying this is going to be this way for two more years! Ugh! And I thought a Radeon Pro WX 7100 was expensive at $500.00. Could a, should a, would a...? We're concerned now about counterfeit products and dubious sources.
Hi@@BobbyAxelrod1, OK. Options... You can Build a 16 Core on B550 or 24/32 Cores on TRX40. A 3 year or 10 Year Computer. Music on AMD - ASUS ProArt B550 for Thunderbolt 4. Or Gigabyte TRX40 Designare for Thunderbolt 3. 1. You need a 2TB NVMe Boot Drive if using Virtual Instruments. If You start with a 1TB, You can Upgrade in a year or so to a 2TB. 2. Storage, a spinning HDD. We use Enterprise Drives. Less expensive in the long run. Also 2TBs. As long as You do not need to add or upgrade anything, the ASUS ProArt B550 will be fine. If however, You want to ADD anything internally, that changes things due to PCIe Resources. Perception and Perspective. Hope that helps! What Audio interface will You be using? And Your DAW software? This helps Us to make better Videos when answering Subscribers Questions!
Hi elysiumcore, Welcome! Bummer right! Rendering? That's one of the main reasons We did this Video. Great Motherboard but We have to understand those limitations. It's all about PCIe Resources! What You want is the TRX40 with 2 x16 Lane Slots, electrically. And that's the best overall value. As You have described, good match! Good Build! Like You said, 16 Cores! That works! Keep Us posted on Your progress! Thanks for Sharing!
Hi@@elysiumcore, Thank You for Your Comments! Much Appreciated! Now the 64 dollar question. When You do, latch on quick! However, Be careful where You purchase from. You don't want anything from scalpers or miners. Keep Us Posted on Your progress! Success on Your Build!
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Welcome! I'm honored! Thanks for Joining Us! Appreciate Your Comments! And sometimes... In the weeds and down the rabbit hole! Our Goal is to Keep it Simple and Make it Work! Stay Tuned!
@@BuildOrBuy hey thanks for the reply! And hey, I know this is the wrong video to comment this on but now that you’re here. I found out my ASUS Maximus VIII doesn’t have the 14-1 connector for Thunderbolt 4. If I wanted a Thundeebolt 4 setup, would my best bet be to just buy a compatible board? And if so do you happen to know the cheapest board that is compatible with TB4? Sorry if this is such a direct question I’m just new to the PC Building game. Thanks for all your great content and info!
HI@@corbinslaymaker3346,
Absolutely! Here to help! All good! Appreciate Your Comments! Yes. Two options. A Motherboard with Built-in Thunderbolt 4 or a Motherboard with Thunderbolt 4 support requiring a Thunderbolt AIC. Most User stick with the Brand they know. Which CPU do You have? Details matter!
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Hope that helps! Give me more Info and We can get more Specific. Change one thing, changes everything!
Now if You have to change Motherboards, You may have to change CPUs. Do You have a Preference? This is about Audio, right? We have Outlined 4 Levels of Computer Builds.
1. 10 Core - Intel Z590 Chipset.
2. 16 Core - AMD B550 Chipset
4. TRX40 HEDT.
4. WRX80 Workstation.
We can get Thunderbolt 4 on the 10 Core and 16 Core Builds but only Thunderbolt 3 on the TRX40 HEDT and WRX80 Workstation. Go figure.
I like your channel so much. It's like I am watching tech reviews from the 2000s with original computer knowledge, which I really appreciate as an old computer lover.
Hi S T A R R I M S,
I'm honored! Very much Appreciate Your Comments! Been doing this since 1992 with a Live Audience. Finally decided We needed to start doing what We were telling everyone else to do, get it on RUclips! And now We are!
Please, if We can answer a question, or provide some insight, let Us know! Here to help!
Looks like We're going to have to Build this one out to fully understand Thunderbolt 4. Stay tuned!
First time here... You're the only one I've seen that actually uses a grounding cord. Lots of YT creators talk about it but they never actually do it on video. This is a board I'm very interested in, so thank you for doing this video and add another subscriber to your list.
Hi Shaun,
Welcome! Appreciate Your Comments and Support! Im honored! We get feedback about that both ways. Some, like You understand ESD and those ramifications. Then there are others that don't have a clue and don't understand why their Motherboard may be failing! We've seen those Results over the Years.
Musician? Thunderbolt 4 DAW!?! 20Gbps USB-C is easier to implement! What's Your Rendering engine?
For a Purpose Built Computer, We use the Adobe Rendering Formula as a Guide. And that's just a Starting point whether Rendering Audio or Video!
@@BuildOrBuy So I'm a jewelry designer just getting into 3D rendering. I'm about to take a class in 3D printing using resin as the printing medium. I do enjoy building my own systems. There is so much out ther software wise and I want to build a system that favors the CPU doing the 3D rendering. What would you recommend for that? I defiantly will be diving deep into your videos to learn all I can. Thank you very much!
Hi@@shaunhall960,
Excellent! Sounds like fun! You want Fast CPU Cores. Based on the CPU, since You're looking at this Motherboard, that would be the AMD 5950X. On the X670E Chipset that would be AMD 7950X. Faster CPU Cores, Faster RAM. Options. Either way, 16 CPU Cores on Consumer Desktop Motherboard. Any idea yet what 3D Software You'll be using? Do You have a 3D Printer in mind yet? This will be a purpose Built Computer! Might make a great Video!
I like this review style, straight to the point and no fluff or filler unlike those larger soft spoken reviewers. Keep it up sir! 💪🧠
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Welcome! I'm honored! Keep it Simple and Make it Work! Details matter! Appreciate Your Comments!
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I will literally dig through your videos to buy my computer parts to make sure you get the affiliate commissions because NO one goes through the details like you do on all of this! Thank you so much for the work and time you put into making these deep dive videos!
Hi buildingAbiz,
Welcome! Thank You very Much for Your Comments and Support! Let Us know if You need any help! Success on Your Build! 14 Cores!
Thank you for doing this. I learn the most by watching your video. Your the best channel for PC built better than anyone else. Better than Linus, Gamernexus, JayzTwoCents.......
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First of all, thanks for doing such wonderful and thorough reviews!! Not only is your channel informative but also it is revealing; in other words awesome!
My question is regarding gpu and cpu compatibility. In this review, I heard you say: cpu cores equal gpu ram. So, let's say, if I had a cpu with 16 cores, I would need a gpu with 16 gb of ram, isn't it? But what would happen if I paired that cpu with a gpu with 24 gb of ram.
Hi Ruben Sanchez,
Welcome! Absolutely! Thank You! Appreciate Your Comments! I'm honored! That's the Adobe After Effects Multi Frame Rendering CPU Optimization Formula.
1. CPU Cores x 4 = RAM
2. CPU Core Count = VRAM
As a starting point! You're thinking an RTX 3090. Good match up! Whatever Your Rendering, You'll have the Processing Power for the Dataset! If You require more CPU Cores then Workstation! How big are Your Render files? What's Your Render engine? Adobe has the best Formula to follow for a Purpose Built Computer! Hope that helps! And remember to get a good UPS! Another aspect of a Workstation would be if You require ECC RAM. Changing one thing, changes everything!
@@BuildOrBuy Yes, Gill. I have the 5950 x and I'm thinking of pairing it with the rtx A5000 or, maybe, quadro P5000. And I'm fully aware that they are said to run hot (as you said in one of your videos), but the rtx A6000 is out of my budget at the moment. Regarding the size of the files that I often work on I would say that they aren't big since I do product design and concept car design as well. I use Alias, Blender, Keyshot, and V-Ray.
Excellent channel, glad I found you. Getting this board later today. Thank you!
Hi CMDR Kuro no Kenshi,
Welcome! Appreciate Your Comments! We're glad You found Us too! This Motherboard with a 16 Core CPU is a great place to Build and Thunderbolt 4 on AMD! Amazing! Keep Us posted on Your Build! Success and Best Wishes!
How have you found it? Would it be possible to use x2 EGPU (with 3090s) in the thunderbolt ports and have x2 3090s in the PCiE with an M.2 drives I would be doing rendering. if there are any drawbacks i'd have to tolerate would be good to hear from someone knowledgable about this, the material is a bit too advanced for me.
Hi@@jagz888,
Welcome! Excellent Question. Great Motherboard. 16 Core CPU. However, For that answer I must ask... First, lets look at this from the GPUs. Do You have the 2 RTX 3090's? Congrats! Second, Let's look at this from the technology perspective. You want to take 2 PCIe 4.0 x16 RTX 3090s and place them onto 1 PCIe 3.0 x4 Lanes. Why not use a Motherboard with 2 x16 Lane PCIe 4.0 Slots electrically not just mechanically? Such as a TRX40 Motherboard which has 2 x16 Lane PCIe 4.0 Slots and 2 x8 Slots, electrically?
Rendering is all about Processing Power. Based on the Adobe After Effects Multi Frame Rendering CPU Optimization Formula which states:
1. CPU Cores x 4 = RAM
2. CPU Core count = VRAM.
Considerations to extrapolate from that...
1. VRAM: 2 RTX 3090s = 24GBs x 2 = 48GBs. 1 RTX A6000 = 48GBs.
2. PSU Requirements 2 RTX 3090s = 350 watts x 2 = 700 Watts. Whereas 1 RTX A6000 = 600 watts. A 1,500 Watt PSU vs a 1,200 Watt PSU.
3. Slot Width: 2 RTX 3090s = 3 Slots Wide? Whereas 1 RTX A6000 = 2 Slots wide.
4. Rendering software. Not all can or will make use of 2 Video adapters even if connected with an NVLink Bridge adapter.
Hope that perspective helps. Thanks for Asking! Keep Us Posted on Your Progress! Thoughts?
@@jagz888 if you ask me, there is no reason to use 3090s let alone two of them in that sort of configuration. The effective performance would be bad, even if you don't consider in the heavy drawbacks of multi gpu. Big no to any configuration of the sort. Single gpu all the way. Multi gpu for vm passthrough that's it. Been there done it all. Waste of time, money, and electricity.
@@DanteIsAwake I GPU render My operation for work scales even when i mix GPUS with redshift, i dont play games at all to be honest you dont do my job, so you haven't done it all :P
good presentation and insightful review with a lot of thought behind it, it shows, deserves more likes. kudos.
Hi Ainz Ooal Gown,
Welcome! I'm honored You noticed! Appreciate Your Comments! Thanks for Watching!
Great explanation and overview, thank you. You earned a new subscriber
Hi YorkieKilla,
Welcome! I'm honored! Appreciate Your Comments! Thanks for Joining Us!
Haha, Gill you're all over the map with this one. I suppose it's a blessing and a curse to be perhaps the most knowledgeable person on YT on this stuff but you could really use a producer or at lease a pro editor to help you get your message out. The people need your expertise on this stuff so I really appreciate you posting videos but for the average joe this would be just too hard to follow. You're an interesting fellow, so a little production value and set design I think you could blow up here on YT. You deserve it man.
Hi timotmon,
Saw Your other message You deleted.
We'll have to agree to disagree on that one! B550 Chipset? Workstation features due to ProArt but still a Desktop Motherboard due to the CPU. ProArt is marketed toward Content Creators. Like We mentioned in the previous Video, odd that Vendors are choosing 2.5GbE. Which means at the very least, 2 Computers and a 2.5GbE Switch. Whereas on the HEDT (TRX40) and Workstation (WRX80) Motherboards, 10GbE. Even a separate 10GbE NIC is at $100.00 or was before this mess. Agree, for the Network, who has 1GbE yet!?! We can dream! And yes, one could install a Mellanox adapter if they had the Resources which they do not hence this is not a Workstation. This is maybe a 3 to 5 year Computer. Right now, 16 Cores! 8 Years ago, 8 Cores. That's it! Perception and Perspective!
ASUS ProArt - www.asus.com/us/proart/
Appreciate Your Input and Comments! Thanks for Watching!
Your next message...
Lots to cover in a short amount of time to make the case For and Against Building with this Motherboard. Thank You, I think. Content Creation could be Audio and or Video. Each is different but not mutually exclusive but prioritized accordingly. Since doing this Video, there are others who want to help and participate with the research on the DPC Latency issue. That may be several Videos due to the nature of the beast...
The second Channel is for Behind the Scene, as You have noticed that's having to wait right now. That's about the Gear to make this Concert of BuildOrBuy a reality of what You see, what I say and what I'm doing. Appreciate Your Input. When We had a Live Show and Live Meeting We had more people working the Gear. 3 to be specific. Right now, I'm a one man band! Now if We stopped making BuildOrBuy Videos to address the Behind the Scene items You have mentioned, there We go. Timing right now is to get the message out!
We have more lights, in a box for a Behind the Scenes Unboxing. Which will take 1 week to stage that. Then Film and implement. Going to have to just implement. Time...
And I literally have to hibernate to Film! On to the next Video, Beginners Guide to the History of Capturing and Streaming! How's that? To reiterate, Appreciate Your Comments! Helps Us to make better Videos! We're working on it! My crew now is me, myself and I and the good Lord! Stay tuned! Again, Thanks for Watching!
@@BuildOrBuy Thanks Gill, I'm not even sure what I said in the deleted message. Maybe I disagreed with myself.. not sure. But I do agree with you that this is not a workstation grade set up.. But I do see a lot of workstation-like capabilities in that this board appeals to content creators specifically.. But if I was about to say otherwise then I retroactively stand corrected :)
Hi@@timotmon,
All good. Very much Appreciate Your Comments! I Love my Subscribers! Your Comments helps Us to make better Videos! Great Motherboard for what it does. After all, Thunderbolt 4 on AMD! We need to see more of that! What I don't get is why We're not seeing Thunderbolt 4 on HEDT or Workstations! Very curious.
And trying to figure out if Thunderbolt 4 Built-on is better or if Thunderbolt 4 Add in card is better. Don't know yet. Thought Thunderbolt 4 built-on was only on 1 port Video. Finding out different now. No matter what the Docs say, We have to Build, Test and Verify to know. Experience is the best teacher!
@@BuildOrBuy The new Gigabyte WRX80 has a Thunderbolt port for an add in card doesn't it?
Hi@@timotmon,
Correct! Thunderbolt 3! Initially, Gigabyte stated the 2 Add in cards would be included. Alas, once available, all of that info was scrubbed! No Aorus M.2 NVMe x16 AIC and No Thunderbolt 3 AIC. But We do have the Thunderbolt 3 Header for Bios support to allocate Memory for Thunderbolt Devices! And that's the Motherboard We're leaning toward. However, overall, the Gigabyte TRX40 Designare does have those Components making that the better deal!
We've always provided Build Specs over the years. But it was always one Computer. Now We can Outline 4 Levels of Computer Builds which We have never had before which is quite interesting.
Had I not built my machine in February, I might have opted for this one had I waited
Hi bistrobmusic,
Good to hear from You! Could a, should a, would a. We hear that! Thought the same thing when We Upgraded Our AMD FX-8350s several years ago. That's why We waited to Build a Ryzen 2nd Generation 1800x and now here We are! You should be good for 2 years. And that would be ZEN4! Thanks for Watching! Stay tuned!
Hey Gill, love how in depth you go with this video. I bought this motherboard that was recommended to me so i could use my UAD apollo solo on my windows desktop (wich is way more powerfull than my laptop). Last 3 days i did everything with software, drivers, connections,... nothing works and i keep getting sound stuttering when using the audio interface. After 2 minutes sound cuts off and videos don't play anymore. Im using a Ryzen 9 3900 with gtx1080ti and 32gb of ram and a 980 pro nvme as bootdrive in combination with a 970 evo plus as extra storage. After seeing this video i realized this motherboard wasn't fit for my needs and hopefully i can return it. Just a question, wich motherboard would u recommend that would fit my needs? is the upgrade to the Asus proart x570 good for me?
Hello unethimusic8789,
Welcome! Appreciate Your Comments! Possibly. Thunderbolt is a PITA. Everything has to done in order for everything to work. The delineation, a prioritization of Specifications. Thunderbolt 3 or Thunderbolt 4. Audio, OK. PCIe Tunneling? Thunderbolt 4. Lots to consider. Lots of options with Built-in obsolescence. Look at Your options and weigh the outcome. Yes that should do what You want for now or You may prefer X670E. Pay attention to Your Bios Updates! Hope that helps! Keep Us Posted on Your Progress!
Loved this full overview and thorough explanation! 💚 I just bought this board because of its gorgeous appearance and because it provides all the essentials for my video editing needs. Though I would have preferred 10gbe ethernet over thunderbolt 4 since I don't yet have need for thunderbolt 4.
It hasn't arrived yet so I'm Still confused about the Pcie resource lanes though. I currently have an 'old' Pcie 3.0 m.2 ssd, if I ever got a Pcie 4.0 m.2 ssd (while using a rtx3090 graphics card inserted) would I be able to run the two m.2 cards as well as the graphics card all at full lane speed?
And what if I want to insert a 10gbe card and/or a Bluetooth card 🤔
Lastly, the display port in confuses me. I'm not using an 8k monitor but my 3090 card can run 8k. On Asus' website you should be able to use two thunderbolt 4 ports for one 8k monitor or 2 4k monitors using each port. But you say on only one port exports video.
It's also strange that then the motherboards hdmi 2.1 out only goes up to 60hz whereas with 2.1 you should usually get 4k 120hz. Seems like I'm better off just exporting video straight out of my gpu to monitor(s).
Hi Mike0193Azul,
Welcome! Thank You very much! Appreciate Your Comments! Yes, beautiful design choices! Thunderbolt 4 on AMD is the number one reason for this Motherboard! Agreed, 10GbE, absolutely! Makes more sense. However, slim pickens on PCIe Resources. And that's why they made that design choice. 1 PCIe Lane for 2.5GbE vs 4 PCIe Lanes for 10GbE. Bummer right! More on that PCIe Resource issue below.
You can use both M.2 NVMe Connectors but if You do or did, to gain something, You lose something else. Not having a Wifi & Bluetooth card is an advantage for a Digital Audio Workstation for that type of Content Creation. Due to DPC Latency, that would be the first things to turn off to prevent stuttering. Windows is not a real time O/S. And the constant polling of Devices, creates timing issues.
ASUS ProArt B550 Creator
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1. ** PCIe 3.0 x4 will be switched from Thunderbolt 4 to PCIEX16_3 if the slot is populated; by then Thunderbolt 4 will have no output.
2. *** These PCIe x1 slots share bandwidth with M.2_2, which runs at PCIe 3.0 x4 by default. You may go to BIOS setting to set M.2_2 to PCIe 3.0 x4 or x2 at will.
3. Appears both Thunderbolt ports provide Video from reports We've received. That is not indicated by the PDF nor the Block Diagram. Which means there's a Splitter on that Incoming Display Port Video Resource. Which is very interesting.
The only way to acquire more PCIe Resources would be to utilize a different chipset like the TRX40 (HEDT) or WRX80 (Workstation). Change one thing, changes everything.
BTW: Many Users are experiencing 5950x WHEA Errors. Appears to be power related. Furthermore use RAM with Micron Chips! Unless You opt for Samsung B die RAM. Higher quality RAM.
4. Step through the Bios Updates. Do NOT skip any! Updating the Bios Firmware also Updates the CPU AGESA Code.
5. Set Power parameters to High Performance. Never sleep anything!
And when You Build, keep it Simple! No Add in Cards until up and running.
Driver order:
6. Motherboard Chipset.
7. Video Card Drivers.
8. Thunderbolt Drivers.
Display Port IN - To Route Video into Thunderbolt. Crazy right. Why not just plug Video from Video Card directly into Monitor. Makes more sense. You have an RTX 3090, Congrats! How wide? That might be a problem if more than 2 Slots wide.
Thunderbolt does 3 things. Data Delivery, Power and Video. On this Motherboard, Video has to be ingested from the Video card into Thunderbolt hence the Display Port IN connector.
Hope that helps! Did I miss anything? Success on Your Build! If You need any help, let Us know. Thanks for Asking!
Thank you for all your videos! I've recently finished a build with this motherboard and I've had great results except for this issue:
The computer is only recognizing one of my two displays that are coming through a single thunderbolt 4 cable; Both of these displays and all my other peripherals are connected to a Thunderbolt 4 docking stations (TS4).
On my work machine, which is a Macbook, I have no issue detecting all peripherals and both displays through the same single Thunderbolt 4 cable; but this newly built machine with this motherboard can only detect one of the two displays.
Any idea as to what could be causing this?
Hi Brian Simmons,
Welcome! Thank You very much! The Manual has extensive Info about Thunderbolt Monitor Connection. However, nothing about Devices! Speculating this is a Device or Docking Station or Bandwidth issues. To diagnose, verify all Devices are Intel compatible by checking the Thunderbolt Device List from Thunderbolt Association. Then one by one, isolate accordingly. Sometimes that site is down or slow to load. Appears to be working right now. Link below. Hope that helps! Thunderbolt is a tedious hassle to get working on an AMD PC but doable with Patience, Persistence and Perseverance! Keep Us Posted on Your Progress!
"Products | Thunderbolt Technology Community" www.thunderbolttechnology.net/products
I wish it was clearer that if you want thunderbolt 4 to work you can't have anything in the third PCI Express slot
Apparently it shares van with so if you want to use a graphics card and a 10 gig Nic your Sol
I suppose I'll have to get a thunderbolt 4 10 gig adapter and hope that it's as stable as PCI Express
Hi Reedith Graham,
Welcome! Not enough PCIe Resources to go around! The 1st x16 PCIe Slot when used with 2nd x16 PCIe Slot, both will be x8, electrically.
Or get a Single Port 10-GbE NIC. ASUS was the 1st. Both of these only require 4 PCIe Lanes. Both are Copper.
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We have no experience with any of these. Hope that helps!
If you want displayport over usb-c in a desktop RTX 2000 and some RX 6000 series gpus have usb-c, otherwise there is a Wacom link plus you can get that injects displayport or hdmi into usb-c.
Hi Lead Foot,
Welcome! Displayport over USB-C is usually something most often asked about for Laptop Users. No one asks about that on a Desktop. Appreciate Your Comments! Thanks for Sharing!
Would it be possible to use x2 EGPU (with 3090s) in the thunderbolt ports and have x2 3090s in the PCiE with an M.2 drives I would be doing rendering. if there are any drawbacks i'd have to tolerate would be good to hear from someone knowledgable about this, the material is a bit too advanced for me.
Hi jagz888,
Anything is possible. But practical? The ASUS B550 ProArt only has that 1 PCIe x16 Slot electrically. Look to Your previous Question for that Answer.
So now We're talking about 4 RTX 3090's. Correct? Better off using 2 RTX A6000s. Better use of Resources. That would require a WRX80 for the Slots. However, with 4 RTX 3090s, those now need to be 2 Slots Wide instead of 3 Slots Wide. Running out of physical space! You still need 2 x16 Lane PCIe 4.0 Slots, electrically. That works in the TRX40 for CPU Cores and PCIe Resources.
If You were using 1 RTX A6000 with 48GBs VRAM, this ASUS ProArt B550 with a 16 Core CPU? Not a good match. 16 CPU Cores = 16GBs VRAM. You would want at least a 32 Core CPU based on the Adobe AE Formula We've Outlined. And to reiterate, that Formula is a starting point! Hope that helps!
Amazing review😊
Hi Wet Paint Contemporary,
Thank You! Even though not in Your wheelhouse, very much Appreciate Your Comments! You may decide to Build later! We can help when ready!
The usb slot for bios flashback can be used for other accessories like mouse and keyboard or it's exclusive for usb stick bios flashback?
Hi d4nith3,
Yes. Can be used for other USB Devices. Just remember what's what when you need it, if and when you need it. Most Users don't think logically when in an emotional state.
Hi Gill. Nice to see you back. "clear the cmos" would that delete any existing RAID on a quad card? Would a PLX chip SSD7505 RAID0 be saved even if I cleared the cmos? Is time linear or do I just perceive it that way?
Hi Max! What's it been, 4 days? Déjà vu!?! A Hybrid Bios RAID should still exist. That is effectively turning off the RAID. Once turned back on, the RAID array should still be present. Are You experiencing a time jump or jet lag! All good! We're going to have to do a separate video about Types and Levels of RAID. Next up, Capturing and Streaming Overview. Stay tuned!
I just want to run thunderbolt to a dock with an hdmi 2.1 port
Can this motherboard handle that?
I have a Stardock showing on the motherboard now but it says "not connected" in the thunderbolt control panel
Hi DFKnightmare,
Welcome! Great Question! What Bios version? Did You make adjustments in Bios for Thunderbolt? Alpine Ridge or Titan Ridge? That may be an issue with Security Level. Startech Thunderbolt Dock? Which Model? You may have to cycle through some of those Thunderbolt settings for proper Configuration. The Memory Apertures are labeled differently than what We've seen before for Devices to connect and stay connected. Those may need to be increased. Thunderbolt MMIO Resource. No way to change the Value in Memory size. Only Full, Half or Three Quarters. Odd setting. The RTD3 is Runtime D3. A Power Saving mode. This is all High Performance. That could possibly cause grief. Don't use Power Saving mode for anything! Not even Your Power Profile! Yes, there's a Thunderbolt Wake Up command. Keep it Simple. Keep Us Posted! Thunderbolt is finicky. Everything has to be just right to work correctly.
Have you tried building with this? I have it and an 5900 and for some reason you can't get the TB4 to work, be seen or install. It just says the board is not supported when you try to install the TB drivers from ASUS or elsewhere. This appears to be a common issue when I hit the Googles for help
Hi Scott Selfridge,
Welcome! No We have not as of yet. We do know Thunderbolt is very finicky with the order of Drivers.
1. Motherboard Chipset.
2. Video card
3. Thunderbolt Chipset Drivers. Then Thunderbolt Control Panel Drivers.
This Motherboard may require a Bios Update. Which Bios version are You running?
Keep Us posted on Your progress!
@@BuildOrBuy - I'll try a fresh install and pay attention to that order. I'm on the latest 2403 BIOS. I've thought about jumping through each version of the BIOSs to see if I can get it to pop. I have ticket in with ASUS right now and I'll keep you posted.
Hi@@imdrecordings,
Yes! Always step through each Bios Update. Notice each Revision is of a different size. Without an errata document, the notes provided are sparse and incomplete. Remember: The Hardware must be seen by the Bios before the O/S can do anything. And what do You see in the Bios about Thunderbolt?
@@BuildOrBuy Some updates. 1. installing each version of the BIOS updates in order seemed to have triggered a Thunderbolt firmware that I had not experienced by just jumping to the latest, that I can recall. 2. The reason TB was not showing or registering was due to my UAD2 Octo PCIe card being in the PCIE 3 slot (bottom slot on the mobo) which shares a bus with the TB controller. Once I removed the card entirely, the TB4 started working. I'm going to do so more testing and put my UAD2 card in different slots as well as I'm still testing the TB4 performance.
Hi@@imdrecordings,
1. This is a good reminder to always step through each Bios Update. This helps Us to not take anything for granted so We can make better Videos!
2. When Building a new Computer, Keep it Simple and Basic! Then Add in stuff one at a time!
*UAD-2 DSP PCIe Card - UAD Accelerator - Universal Audio*
www.uaudio.com/uad-accelerators/uad-2-pcie.html
x1 PCIe 3.0 - Watch Your PCIe Resource allocations! Those are shared Resources, NOT dedicated!
www.asus.com/us/Motherboards-Components/Motherboards/ProArt/ProArt-B550-CREATOR/techspec/
1. PCIe 3.0 x4 will be switched from Thunderbolt 4 to PCIEX16_3 if the slot is populated; by then Thunderbolt 4 will have no output.
2. These PCIe x1 slots share bandwidth with M.2_2, which runs at PCIe 3.0 x4 by default. You may go to BIOS setting to set M.2_2 to PCIe 3.0 x4 or x2 at will.
Hope that helps!
Hi sir from INDIA. Is Gigabyte Z590 Vision D better or ASUS ProArt B550-Creator better for 3d artists for 3D Lighting and 3D rendering (Autodesk Maya software ) for AMD Ryzen 9 5900X CPU
Hi Prasad Mai,
Beyond the capabilities of the Chipset, the next and most important Question would be CPU Cores. For that, 10 Cores (Gigabyte Z590) vs 16 Cores (ASUS ProArt B550 Creator).
For the Best Formula We have to date from Adobe for Rendering, more CPU Cores are better! Hope that helps! Thanks for Asking! Success! Keep Us Posted on Your Project!
Now You need a Video card with Video RAM to match the CPU Core Count!
It's a good motherboard, has exclusive options but maybe for that price It could have been added wifi 6, only option is buy and add a wifi card.
Hi D•ACE,
Welcome! Absolutely! Thunderbolt 4 (4 PCIe Lanes) on AMD and 16 Core CPU Build, is a great Computer for the money! However, for a DAW, WiFi anything would have to be turned off due to DPC Latency. But if Wifi 6 were a necessity, then adding a WiFi 6 PCIe Single Lane Card would be doable. And another M.2 NVMe would require 4 more PCIe Lanes. Not enough PCIe Resources to go around. Tough calls. At least Users will know about the trade offs before they Purchase if they watch this Video.
Interesting ASUS chose the B550 Chipset instead of the X570 Chipset as the foundation for Thunderbolt 4 on AMD. And that's what this Motherboard is all about. Thanks for Sharing Your thoughts! This helps Us to make better Videos!
This is a workstation board, how often would you plan on moving this thing around? Enjoy your faster internet on that 2.5 G ethernet port!
@@BuildOrBuy Hey build or buy for a x2 EGPU with x2 3090 with m.2 do you think this board can handle it? or should i pick up a tRX40designare or aWRX80 id love to not have to pay a fortune for a thread ripper my ryzen 9 serves me well.
Hi@@jagz888,
Lots to consider as outlined from Your previous Excellent Questions!
The TRX40 Designare would be a better choice. If You do not already have the 2 RTX 3090's suggest considering the RTX A6000.
However, using 2 RTX 3090's on the Gigabyte TRX40 Designare would negate the ability to utilize the Aorus M.2 NVMe PCIe x16 Quad AIC that is included the box. Hope that helps! Always options and always tradeoffs. We think the Gigabyte TRX40 Designare is the best value for a Motherboard in Resources.
What is the $600 motherboard you keep refering to that comes with the 2 extra cards for M.2?
Hi Jim Brannan,
Welcome! Glad You asked! I feel like a broken record. The Gigabyte TRX40 Designare. Includes the Gigabyte Titan Ridge Thunderbolt 3, PCIe 3.0 Add in card and the Gigabyte Aorus x16 Quad Adapter for 4 M.2 NVMe PCIe Drives, PCIe 4.0. Best value in Motherboards, PCIe Resources and Chipsets. Thanks for Asking! Clarity! We have several Videos on that Motherboard. And on M.2 NVMe PCIe Quad cards from ASUS, ASRock, Gigabyte and Glotrends. And several Videos on Thunderbolt cover 3, 4 and 5.
However, the Gigabyte TRX40 Designare can only do Thunderbolt 3. We've spent a lot of time on this issue in discussing the 4 Levels of Computer Builds We recommend for Content Creation.
1. Entry Level: 10 Core, Intel Z590
2. Secondary Level: 16 Core, AMD B550 and X570 Chipsets
3. Third Level: AMD TRX40 Chipset HEDT
4. Fourth Level: AMD WRX80 Chipset Workstation
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Hope that helps! Thanks for Asking! Stay Tuned!
I prefer GIGABYTE B550 VISION D that has bluetooth and WIFI native. Then you don't have to use PCIe slots on that. By the way Vegas Pro is still pretty heavy on CPU when rendering, but it uses considerable more GPU power when choosing NVENC when rendering.
Hi all kinds of things,
Looks like We're going to have to do a Video on DPC Latency. WiFi is the 1st thing to go! How are You using Your Computer for Content Creation? Video will be fine. Audio is where the problem is encountered. Not having WiFi is an asset for a Pro Audio Interface. Appreciate Your Sharing!
Besides, the Gigabyte B550 Vision D is Thunderbolt 3. If OK with Thunderbolt 3, the Gigabyte TRX40 is a better investment for all Resources. Changing one thing, changes everything! Options! Always curious about the choices.
We need to do a Video and Show what We're experiencing Rendering with Vegas Pro 18. 80% GPU according to Windows Task Manager, Performance tab! Have not tested DaVinci Resolve again yet. That might help place things in perspective against the Adobe AE MFR CPU Optimization Formula! Thanks for that idea! Proof is in the doing!
What if i put 2x RTX4060TI 16GB? That card has gen4 x8 connectivity. So i can put also a gen4 x4 ssd.
Hello d4nith3,
Welcome! Excellent idea!
PCIe x16_1 = Quad card - Bifurcate Slot
PCIe x16_2 = GPU
Keep us posted on your configuration.
so the thunderbolt ports cant be used when the 3rd pci e gen 3 x4 port is used?
Hi Animalistic Records, Just now seeing Your message! Here's the PCIe Resource layout straight from ASUS:
1. PCIe 3.0 x4 will be switched from Thunderbolt 4 to PCIEX16_3 if the slot is populated; by then Thunderbolt 4 will have no output.
2. These PCIe x1 slots share bandwidth with M.2_2, which runs at PCIe 3.0 x4 by default. You may go to BIOS setting to set M.2_2 to PCIe 3.0 x4 or x2 at will.
Should not be that way but with limited PCIe Resources, it is what it is. Great Motherboard for Audio. Due to DPC Latency, will still require tweaking but since no WiFi, one less thing to disable! Hope that helps! Thanks for Asking!
BTW:
1. Appears both Thunderbolt Ports send Video to both Ports. Which means there's a Splitter not noted in the Diagram!
2. Due to 5950x WHEA Errors, that appears to be Power related.
A. Step through each Bios Revision.
B. Change all Power Settings to High Performance.
C. Use RAM on QVL. Preferably Micron or Samsung B Die.
Success! Keep Us Posted on Your Progress!
So if I'm doing an audio build with a single graphics card and 2 m.2 drives (no raid) and a thunderbolt interface, does this board work or do I need the trx40?
Hi Steve Wright,
Excellent Question. Those 2 - M.2 NVMe Drives are NOT running at the same speed.
1. PCIe 4.0 = 7,000MBps.
2. PCIe 3.0 = 3,500MBps.
Does that help! Are You OK with that? Otherwise, Yes! Thoughts?
@@BuildOrBuy thank you for your reply. That is what I thought and I am ok with that. The fast gen 4 drives are really expensive, especially the 4 TB ones, so I will likely start with a smaller gen 4 and larger gen 3 drive & upgrade in 2 or 3 years when drive prices fall. I should be able to get around 7 years of life out of my build which is what I'm hoping for and I think having TB 3 or 4 connectivity is a key component of that if you are going for an audio build.
Hi@@arcticfoxstudios2018,
Good call. Whatever You do now, Yes You can always Upgrade. For Virtual Instruments, suggest a 2TB Boot Drive for Primary PCIe 4.0 Drive. That should work for 2 years unless You have an expansive Library of say Native Instruments Libraries.
TB3 or TB4, expect awhile before We see TB4 Audio interfaces. Your safe with a TB3 Audio interface. Keep Us posted on Your progress! Thanks for Sharing! This helps Us to make better Videos!
So with the Asus ProArt B550 board, if I used a Thunderbolt 4, i can't have any NVME SSD?
Hi Viett,
Welcome! Clarity! Due to Thunderbolt 4, use M.2_1 which is PCIe 4.0 to the CPU using a 16 Core 5950 CPU. M.2_2 is through the Chipset at PCIe 3.0. Hope that helps! Thanks for Watching!
@@BuildOrBuy Thank you for the response. I also have the Gigabyte Titan Ridge 2.0 and it came with a 5pin/3pin cable and another 3pin Thunderbolt header cables. My question is where can I get a replacement for these Thunderbolt header cables? I already broke those cables
@@Viettzz Hi Viett,
Bummer! Gigabyte Titan Ridge 2.0 or Gigabyte Maple Ridge? Do You still have the packaging? Each Cable was in a Bag. The Part Number is on the Bag. No bag?
www.gigabyte.com/us/Motherboard/Thunderbolt-Card
At the moment Gigabyte has removed the Info on some of those Thunderbolt AICs. Odd!
1. Thunderbolt Header Cable: Gigabyte P/N: 12CF1-1SHR01-21R
2. USB Cable: Gigabyte P/N: 12CR1-UB040-11R [USB Header 10 Pin Female to Female].
www.gigabyte.com/us/Support/Accessory
Not Listed under Motherboard Parts. Suggest Contact Gigabyte Tech Support. Be ready to give them a bunch of details that have nothing to do with what You're asking about.
Those 2 Part Numbers are from the Gigabyte Titan Ridge 1.0 and should be the same as 2.0. I looked and cannot locate either of them.
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Looks like the original ASUS Cable. I think this is the same. Contact Seller to verify. Thunderbolt M3 header cable 5 pin female to 5 pin female, TB M3 cable
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Your other option: Asus Motherboard ThunderboltEX Card 10 Pin to 5 Pin Connectivity Cable - Contact this Vendor and see what they would charge to make them.
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Hope that helps! Thanks for Asking! Keep Us Posted on Your progress!
Hello! I have this board. It doesn't let me install Intel ethernet drivers or graphics for games or video rendering /editing please send help!
disable Windows 10’s automatic driver installation via Windows Update in gpedit.msc since you cannot prevent it from forcing a GPU driver from May 2020 onto the system that leads to BSoDs.
Hi Tristan Mich,
Welcome! We're seeing reports about the Thunderbolt 4 Drivers being a problem. But You are also having problems installing the other Drivers? What Error message are You seeing? Are You using the CD or did Your Download from Drivers from ASUS?
Hi@@TristanMich,
Did You have an Internet connection during the install? Did You try installing Drivers without the Internet connection? What Display adapter are You using? Drivers need to be in order:
1. Motherboard chipset.
2. Display Drivers.
3. Thunderbolt Drivers.
@@BuildOrBuy Thank you for the quick response! I have gotten everything installed by disabling the function in gpedit
Hi@@TristanMich,
That should not have been necessary. You could have disconnected from the Internet until the Drivers were installed. Thanks for Sharing Your process.
Hello im about 25 min in the vid and I have all the parts for my pc coming in this week im also doing an audio build I'll only need a thunderbolt port for my apollo interface will I also be able use 2 m.2 ssds or 1?... also a simple graphics card? Hopefully you understand this thanks in advance.
Also ill be using the 5950x cpu
Hi Traven Lee,
Welcome! Outstanding! Congrats!
1. Bios may require an Update for Thunderbolt 4 functionality. Step through if more than one. This was happening with Gigabyte. Check and verify.
2. In Bios, under Thunderbolt allocate Memory for connected Devices. Should be 2 Settings.
3. Suggest using 1 M.2 NVMe. The primary one to the CPU.
4. Due to NVIDIA deprecating older Video cards and due to Windows 11 due out in 6 months, suggest for NVIDIA anything RTX. Preferably RTX 30xx. For AMD, Radeon RX 550 or better. Hope that helps! Success on Your Build!
For a Video card, go no lower than this:
Yeston Radeon RX550 Gaming Graphics Cards, 2GB/4GB Memory GDDR5 128Bit 6000MHz VGA + HD + DVI-D GPU (4GB RAM)
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In different times, We would recommend a different Video card. It's more about what You can get instead of what You want. That should change by next year.
Hi@@travenlee,
16 Cores - Smart Choice!
@@BuildOrBuy thanks I really appreciate your help
Hi@@travenlee, Absolutely! After the Build, You'll need to Optimize for Audio! Starting with Power settings then DPC Latency. Keep Us Posted on Your Progress!
Hello, can someone help me please. I’ve made a pc with gigabyte vision d-p b550, ryzen 5950x and then I connect universal audio Arrow thunderbolt card all the system starts freezing, sound from card is stuttering, repeating, glitching and card reconnecting. I’ve tried to disable core parking, power management, bios throttling setups, c-state, c6, boost overdrive, different drivers, reinstalling windows - everything I found in different troubleshootings, but have NO effect. If anyone know how to setup this please write here. Thanks!
Hi Dmitry Losev,
In Bios, under Thunderbolt, increase Memory allocation. There are 2 Settings. Keep Us Posted on Your progress!
@@BuildOrBuy Thank you, but no, repeating is still there. Its like repeating every single letter on voice.
Hi@@dmitrylosev628,
We need to optimize Your Computer for Audio!
1. Power settings - High Performance!
2. DPC Latency...
Looks like We need to do another Video on this topic alone!
@@BuildOrBuy I tried this ofcourse. I think its a buggy thunderbolt controller. After inserting flash drive in this thunderbolt/usb-c input, windows even doesnt see this thunderbolt in dev manager :(
Hi@@dmitrylosev628,
You have the Gigabyte Vision D-P B550 Motherboard.
www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/B550-VISION-D-P-rev-10#kf
Not necessarily, You may need a Bios Update. I know, it's brand new. What Bios version do You have? We have found Thunderbolt to be very finnicky in the specifics of order of Drivers. And We always test Thunderbolt with USB-C connectivity first. Then Thunderbolt connectivity. Did You approve the Device from the Thunderbolt Control panel? If Thunderbolt does not show up in the Device Manager, then there should be a Driver with a Question mark. What do You see in Device Manager?
The thunderbolt 4 doesn’t work properly I have the motherboard.
There’s an entire forum of other owners who can’t it to work the drivers Asus has supplied us with are Intel locked so we can’t do much to get anything to work.
Hi@@syn6773,
Appreciate Your follow-up. Intel Drivers locked. OK. Give me a few days. That should be easy to solve. I could be wrong but will try. Since this is Thunderbolt 4, an Intel Reseller should be able to access those Drivers! I do know the Driver model is vastly different. Stay tuned!
@@BuildOrBuy I was able to get the Thunderbolt 4 to work after figuring out the how to update the BIOS with EZ Flash Utility in the BIOS.
@@syn6773 hey i should be getting this board this week and building my pc ill need TB 4 for my UAD apollo can you please let me know your process
@@travenlee bro hit me on Instagram at commonsynse I gotchu I got mines to work
Are you doing a build for the B550 Creator Board ?
Hi Shannon Bailey,
Good to hear from You! There's a strong possibility since this is the only Solution for Thunderbolt 4 on AMD that We are are aware of at this time. We thought there was going to be a new announcement from AMD on the 5000 series CPUs. That tuned out to be much ado about nothing. Therefor, 16 Cores stands. As to when, crystal ball forecast. We still need Video cards or else We start cannibalizing other machines!
We're talking to another Subscriber about DPC Latency. And that needs to be addressed. Are You considering doing a Build on this ASUS ProArt B550 Creator Motherboard?
I was, but optioned for the WRX80 this go around, but did strongly consider the B550 build.... I could still build it as a General puropse Video Editing PC that will allow me to use the Adobe Suite....
Hi@@shannonbailey8515,
I can make a case for any of the 4 Levels of Computer System Builds for a purpose Built Computer. As far as PCIe Resources, the WRX80 is front and center! And for Thunderbolt 3, Gigabyte! If We could just get the other Components! Sounds like You're having better luck on that than We are! Keep Us posted on Your progress! You could do Dual Boot on that WRX80 if so inclined. Just a thought. Personally, I prefer a separate Computer which means Building 2 Computers! And there We go again!
And if so, how well do you think ECC Ram will work with this board, as it supports it ?
Hi Shannon Bailey,
Excellent Question. Based on the Specs and what We're reading, ECC Ram should work but in non ECC Mode. Only way to know is to test and verify. We should have regular RAM on hand just in case. Thanks for Asking! DDR4 128GB kits are getting ridiculously expensive right now.
I found a 128GB kit of ECC RAM at 3200Mhz ( 8 Dimms ) on Amazon from Nemix RAM at about $670.00 I check with Kingston first, as I have a WRX80 Motherboard on the way from Gigabyte, and the Threadripper Pro 3955WX CPU, I will be purchasing that Nemix Kit ( RDIMM ) next, along with the AMD Radeon Pro W5500 GPU for now, until the NVIDIA RTX A4000 that has ECC Memory is available.... based on what I could find that card should be priced at around $1,500.00 when it becomes available.... I could option for the new Radeon Pro W6600 GPU from AMD when it comes available, but I will be seeking the RTX A4000 card before the AMD card.... The Radeon Pro W6800 Card which also has ECC memory will be priced at MSRP for around $2,100.00... I will be posting videos of that new upgrade to my former Threadripper build soon ( Lord willing ).... I plan on using the same Seasonic GX1000 powersupply, NZXT Case, and NZXT X73 Liquid Cooler.... for now, as that cooler has proven to function well, as we also mentioned it's more about functionality, rather than Aesthetics ..... I am also considerning Linux Ubunto Studio as the OS, vs Windows as Windows just seems to really slows down my computer, and interfere with some of the software I use, I believe we talked about that before too...thanks for the Reply
Hi @@shannonbailey8515,
We have never used that Brand of RAM although it's made for Workstations and Servers. Let Us know what You think. You're going to have an Outstanding Build! Congrats! This Video card issue may ease up a bit by the Fall. Like the weather though, hard to tell until We see it happen! Every time We look at the virtues of Linux, We have the reality of the applications staring back at Us in Windows. We're going to have to do a Video on DPC Latency which is like the elephant in the room. Keep Us posted on Your Build! Success!
Thanks again for your reply, yeah I don't know about NEMIX either, but based some forums I have come across, some people have found it works just fine, others claiming they had a dead stick in their kit.... So, I have been looking at Kingston again.... I know that I am able to purchase the ECC Ram sticks from Kingston, but individually, not in a kit,..... which means I would have to order 8 separate sticks, instead of a all in one kit.... Now I am trying to determine, do I want Hynix or Micron, what density, what die..... I'm just trying to get it right the first time, and I also noticed that 3DS RDIMM is supported on this board.... Don't know which route to go on this one....I haven't found enough info on Gigabytes website about this, and I am still searching online for direction on this one....256Gb has become more appealing as well, as opposed to 128gb....but its substantially more expensive by comparison, like 3 times the cost...Yeah got the CPU in today, the Motherboard is suppose to be hear Wednesday.... Still will need to get the GPU, and RAM in though.... I will probably order the GPU later today, and will look more into the RAM, before spending anything on it....
Found this just posted on ebay.... www.ebay.com/itm/174811013660?epid=8039430137&hash=item28b38c621c:g:~H4AAOSwpU1g0UvW
Disappointing on many levels... An upscale (Asus) X570 motherboard is a far better choice until the A5 chipset comes out. Then ProArt will likely offer a better proposition.
Hi NevadaScrubJay,
Welcome! Remember, this has Thunderbolt 4 built on to the Motherboard. It's ASUS and ProArt. Agree, would have thought ASUS would have aimed higher on the food chain. But for Thunderbolt 4 and a 16 Core CPU, it's better than the Intel Z570 with a 10 Core CPU! But it's NOT a HEDT! The ProArt line looks great in paper. Let's hope ASUS will step up and ramp up! Appreciate Your Comments!
@@BuildOrBuy New news... Asus yesterday announced a new X570 Pro Art Motherboard. I have yet to find it online or on their website. I am not sure what the "Pro Art" mb does other than thunderbolt and more fast USB interfaces. My guess is that has limited/diminishing returns unless other peripheral are much faster. The AMD A5 chipset with next gen memory and PCIE would make that a difference. Faster RAM and a the new AMD Ryzen Pro Gpu that is coming about Sept/Oct will do something. But, my opinion is that the Asus "ProArt" at present is snake oil. I have done this research because I am looking to do a build for one of my adult daughters that is an employee at Arizona State and does online web stuff at ASU. Her team also has contracts with NASA and MIT. Do to Covid she works at home and primarily uses the University supplied laptop that I consider to be junk.
Hi@@NevadaScrubJay,
Very interesting. Have not seen anything on that yet! Only AMD A520 Chipset. Thanks for Sharing! Let Us know When You know more! AMD on a new Chipset will be 12 months after Intel releases their new gear. AMD Ryzen Pro CPU? Threadripper III 5000 series? Or AMD Radeon Pro GPU? The 32GB version? The ASUS ProArt on paper looks good, but! ASUS has to do better than the B550! That was about Thunderbolt 4. Just a teaser! Even the x570 is short on PCIe Resources!
If You had to Build Right now, consider the TRX40. PCIe 4.0. If You wait on AMD for PCIe 5.0, that's 12 months off, minimum.
I hear where You're coming from! OK for Browsing. Forget working with it or on it! Slower than Christmas and not half as exciting!
"Entry level machine with 10 cores"
heh, Knew a guy not that long a while back who had to pay $1000 for the privilege of a 10 core CPU lol
Hello thumbwarriordx,
Welcome! Good point! We've come a long way in a short amount of time! We Build According to a Content Creation Purpose Built Computer. We use the Adobe After Effects Multi Frame Rendering CPU Optimization Formula.
1. CPU Cores x 4 = RAM
2. CPU Core Count = VRAM
Perception and Perspective! Thanks for Sharing!
If I can get Radeon W6600 at MSRP, I'll do it
Hi bistrobmusic,
We're looking for a Radeon 6800 for Nathaniel. And have him Listed for an RTX 3080 TI in two places. Video card prices are nuts. Intel is quoted as saying this is going to be this way for two more years! Ugh! And I thought a Radeon Pro WX 7100 was expensive at $500.00. Could a, should a, would a...? We're concerned now about counterfeit products and dubious sources.
VERY GOOD
Hi Bohdan Rabeha,
Welcome! Thank You! Appreciate Your Comments!
@@BuildOrBuy Thanks for the video. I'm currently looking for a motherboard to create music on AMD.
Hi@@BobbyAxelrod1,
OK. Options... You can Build a 16 Core on B550 or 24/32 Cores on TRX40. A 3 year or 10 Year Computer. Music on AMD - ASUS ProArt B550 for Thunderbolt 4. Or Gigabyte TRX40 Designare for Thunderbolt 3.
1. You need a 2TB NVMe Boot Drive if using Virtual Instruments. If You start with a 1TB, You can Upgrade in a year or so to a 2TB.
2. Storage, a spinning HDD. We use Enterprise Drives. Less expensive in the long run. Also 2TBs.
As long as You do not need to add or upgrade anything, the ASUS ProArt B550 will be fine. If however, You want to ADD anything internally, that changes things due to PCIe Resources. Perception and Perspective. Hope that helps!
What Audio interface will You be using? And Your DAW software? This helps Us to make better Videos when answering Subscribers Questions!
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Hi CHRIS DAVIS,
Welcome! Appreciate Your Comment! Thank You for Watching!
@@BuildOrBuy no prob I came to see the wizard!
Thanks for your knowledge! I’m here.
Hi@@chrisdavis9135,
I'm honored! Appreciate Your Comments! Thanks for Watching!
Here I was thinking 🤔 I could put 2 Rtx 3090 on this 😂 👀 oh well 16 cores , 64 gig ram , 1 rxt 3090 , 2 TB pci 4.0 SSD
Hi elysiumcore,
Welcome! Bummer right! Rendering? That's one of the main reasons We did this Video. Great Motherboard but We have to understand those limitations. It's all about PCIe Resources! What You want is the TRX40 with 2 x16 Lane Slots, electrically. And that's the best overall value.
As You have described, good match! Good Build! Like You said, 16 Cores! That works! Keep Us posted on Your progress! Thanks for Sharing!
@@BuildOrBuy you provided much needed information, especially on the limits. Now the fun begins....Hunt ...for parts especially an Rtx 3090 👀
Hi@@elysiumcore, Thank You for Your Comments! Much Appreciated! Now the 64 dollar question. When You do, latch on quick! However, Be careful where You purchase from. You don't want anything from scalpers or miners. Keep Us Posted on Your progress! Success on Your Build!
@@BuildOrBuy price in Japan for Rtx 3090 inflated by $800 - I'm tempted 😡😖
Hi@@elysiumcore , New? Unopened? Reliable Seller? Get that or wait another 12 months! Very enticing!
you talk too much! Get to the point. Geez.