I'm not sure what the bandwidth of a 4k display signal is but is it possible that the 40GB/s is the 30GB/s plus the two 4k signals that would be coming in through the mini display port inputs?
Hi The NPC Show, Great Question! Two ways to go at this. One, Test and Verify. Two, helps to know what We're working with before We get started! Here's a good example... Hence only 2 Monitors does it on that Bandwidth! 1. bandwidth - Thunderbolt 3 - calculate bandwidth required by monitors - Super User superuser.com/questions/1571715/thunderbolt-3-calculate-bandwith-required-by-monitors 2. Guide to Display Cables / Adapters (v2) - Displays - Linus Tech Tips - See: Data Rate Calculator linustechtips.com/topic/729232-guide-to-display-cables-adapters-v2/?section=calc&H=3840&V=2160&F=60&bpc=10&timing=cvtrb&calculations=show&formulas=show I'm always amazed at anyone wanting to Route Video through Thunderbolt when We can just plug straight in to the Monitor! And GPU power is more about Rendering now than Display. We prefer to utilize Thunderbolt Bandwidth for Data access or a DAW interface. Perception and Perspective. Hope that helps!
@@BuildOrBuy I totally agree with you. I'm planning to do this only because of my unusual setup. I've got a motorized desk on wheels that isn't able to lift because I overloaded it with a PC, battery backup, two monitors, two DUAL ergotron arms, microphone arm, and studio lights so I'm trying to lighten all of it by moving the PC and battery backup off the desk. It's sort of a mobile streaming desk where I can move it from living room to kitchen depending on what I'm streaming 😃 With this setup, I'd only have to run a power cord and an active thunderbolt cable to a hub on my desk 😁👍
Hi@@TheNPCShow, That makes total sense if You have a need! Changing one thing, changes everything! Sometimes We have to get creative based on the Project! Sounds like You need a Menace Mount like We use for Grip Gear Rigging! Or maybe a Film Tools Video cart! Keep Us Posted on Your Progress! Success on Your Streaming Setup! Thanks for sharing! This helps Us to make better Videos for Our Subscribers!
Hi Elitespoon, Welcome! Congrats! Maple Ridge is Vendor Specific due to the implementation of the Motherboard Thunderbolt Header. Hassle, Right. Have You tested connectivity yet? What are You using Thunderbolt for? This helps Us to make better Videos! IRQs, We can relate! Now it's all about PCIe Resources! A lot of work to enable an I/O interface! Thanks for Sharing!
@@BuildOrBuy I have tested connectivity. I had to install the Thunderbolt drivers, flash the BIOS, and adjust some very poorly documented BIOS settings. I want to say I read somewhere in the motherboard docs that the card must be in the last PCIe slot. This was for an OWC Thunderbay 4 Thunderbolt 3 RAID 5 array. Unfortunately, the write performance is terrible (I think 70-ish MB/s) because the SoftRAID software for Windows is still in beta, but it works. Haven't tested the read performance yet. Waiting for the first release.
Hi@@elitespoon , Thunderbolt anything should not be this much hassle and should be documented by each Vendor since Thunderbolt 4 is now Vendor Specific! For Your Chipset, can You share those settings. Details matter! If You can, greatly Appreciated! We Might be able to help someone else in Your situation!
Hello Asaf Blasberg Videographer, Simple. From 1 Vendor to many Vendors. With MAC, Apple. With PC, Intel for Design. Implementation is left to each Motherboard manufacturer. To reiterate, Thunderbolt works when everything is done according to procedures. Miss 1 step, nothing. On a PC We have 2 options. Built-in or Add-on. Each has it's Pros and Cons as We have Outlined in other Videos. Hope that helps!
Thank you for this video! I do have a question though; is TH4 cards backwards compatible with TH3 motherboards? What I mean is, my motherboard supports TH3, can I get TH4 card and install it on my motherboard? To be honest, I have GIGABYTE mob; however, I can not find "GIGABYTE GC-Titan Ridge 2.0 (Titan Ridge Thunderbolt 3)" anywhere these days, but the same TB4 card is available. Thank you in advance!
Hi Yosef, Welcome! Appreciate Your Comments. Thunderbolt is a but of a conundrum. Each Vendor has their own implementation based on Motherboard Chipset. Each Thunderbolt add-in card will list which Chipset is supported. When Thunderbolt works, it just works. When Thunderbolt does not work, it's a PITA! We had a bunch more Thunderbolt testing to do but changing from Thunderbolt 3 to Thunderbolt 4 made that a mute point. Even different Chipsets for 1st Generation Thunderbolt 4 do not have the capabilities of 2nd Generation Thunderbolt 4. It's a mess. What you'll find in the Motherboard Bios, additional settings for PCIe Tunneling. On the flip side, Test and Verify and see what happens. Even the Firmware updates were crucial. If you want Thunderbolt 4, new Motherboard with new Chipset. Devices for Thunderbolt 4 are backwards compatible with Thunderbolt 3 but no further back. In other words, on Thunderbolt 4, no Thunderbolt 2 support. The cut-off. Crazy. Right. Thunderbolt 4 is suppose to be tightening up on the loose Specs of Thunderbolt 3.
@@BuildOrBuy Thank you for the answer! It's indeed a mess! I'll think if I ever decided that I actually need the TH, I'll try and let you know here if I did work for me or not!
Hi@@yosefofarabia508, Thunderbolt is great on paper. Implementation is a mess. When it works, it works. When it doesn't work, PITA. Yes, we'll look forward to your update. USB-C 10Gbps and USB-C 20Gbps are so much easier to implement. But Thunderbolt is intoxicating. Intel marketing. Over Sold. Under Delivered.
Lot of good info. So to recap. I wanna extend few more yrs of my ASUS X99-E WS using as 2nd workstation. I need at least the 1 single TB display for Apple Thunderbolt & TB nVme drive & option to connect 10Gb TB LAN to local workstation network.. Dual GPU (RTX 3080-Ti + Intel ARK A770). It's limited finding nice, used ASIUS ThunderboltEX 3 so I'm interested in the Gigabyte Titan Ridge TB-3. Is 5 pin ready out of the box , or I need to jump?
Hi K Hanscombe, Welcome! In theory it should work! And You should not have to Jump Pins 3 to 5. No doubt, Thunderbolt is finicky. It either works or does not. Might need to Update Thunderbolt 3 Firmware. However, in doing so You may lose Device support for that Apple Display. A conundrum. Depends upon V1 or V2 AIC. Anyway... Not possible on Thunderbolt 4 though. Keep Us Posted on Your Progress!
Hi John, Was concerned about that. Sorry. It it what it is! When You're ready to think outside of the box, let Us know if You need any help! This should not be so complicated! Eager to see what USB4 Delivers without a Header cable and when!?! A lot of work, on Our part, for an I/O Interface.
@@BuildOrBuy No need to apologize. As for actually using TB3, I just don't have the need for it currently. I am far more interested in the bandwidth increases from PCI-e 5.0 and DDR5 have to offer in the near(ish) future.
Hi@@That_Stealth_Guy , Like 4k, need or want... Feature or Benefit. And DDR4 is going to get more expensive as DDR5 comes online since PCIe 5.0 is on the horizon! We're like bugs on a windshield! Stay tuned!
Hello , thank you for sharing all this information, I want to buy ( Asus Intel® ThunderboltTM 4 JHL 8540 ) and install it on my AMD system that have x570 asus rog strix x570-e and then I am going to connect EGPU with 3090ti using the Thunderbolt , will this card work ???
Hi Mr. Yusuf, Welcome! Appreciate Your Comments! Great Question! Sorry for taking so long! Videos! ASUS ROG Strix X570-E Gaming & ASUS Thunderbolt 4 Add in card. I don't see any Bios Support for that. Is this for an audio Interface? ASUS ROG Strix X570-E Gaming rog.asus.com/us/motherboards/rog-strix/rog-strix-x570-e-gaming-model/ ASUS Thunderbolt 4 Add in card www.asus.com/us/Motherboards-Components/Motherboards/Accessories/ThunderboltEX-4/ ThunderboltEX 4 Card Compatible Model List dlcdnets.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/Add-on_card/ThunderboltEX_4/ThunderboltEX_4_Card_Compatible_ModelListaddB660H67020220111.pdf You would need the ROG Strix Z590-E Gaming WiFi. rog.asus.com/us/motherboards/rog-strix/rog-strix-z590-e-gaming-wifi-model/ 1 x Thunderbolt header on Motherboard! Details matter! Hope that helps!
Hi Alana Jen, Thunderbolt 4 shipping, kind of snuck up on Us! I'm like a fly on honey! Appreciate Your Comments! Thanks for watching! BTW: Really enjoyed Your latest Video! Packed with lots of good Info!
@@BuildOrBuy Of course! Super happy to watch 😄 you put in a lot of work for your subscribers 💯💕 And thanks for the encouragement 😊 ill do my best to rinse and repeat 😁
Thanks for another informative video. -- Regarding Adobe, we've almost entirely abandoned their products. This as Adobe is resting on their laurels. Adobe's products rarely use more than a few cores and even then, only certain processes within an application are highly multithreaded. The same with GPU acceleration, very hit or miss as to whether any given Adobe function is accelerated. For video, we're now using Davinci Resolve Studio, $300, one time purchase, no subscription, upgrades free for life. Resolve takes full advantage of 24 / 32 core Threadrippers and the latest GPUs. Much the same with Affinity Photo instead of Photoshop. Comprehensive GPU acceleration with a highly developed feature set.
Not a bad call.. This is my frustration too in AE, however you can use scripts or utilities like 'Render Boss' that do tend utilize more cores effectively during renders.
Hi Michael V, Thank You for Your Comments! We share that View on Adobe. My history with Adobe goes back to Aldus Pagemaker when Adobe bought that, and PhotoStyler. I'm still waiting on my Upgrade We were promised from PhotoStyler to Photoshop. Circa 1994! Adobe is about to take an overdue leap forward in multithreaded capability. Another subscriber sent Us a link. Asked Us to comment. The Video is from Puget Systems interviewing Sean Jenkin with Adobe. The biggest take away from that Video, Adobe After Effects Multi Frame Rendering = Faster Rendering. And 64 Cores - Windows Processor Groups limitation. Adobe is coming out of the dark ages of Rendering. That should be a short Video. An FYI Video! We use Vegas Pro and DaVinci Resolve and have just acquired a License with Edit Panel of DaVinci Resolve Studio! Another Video!
Hi@@timotmon, Welcome! Nice to meet You! Personally, not a fan of Adobe anything. However, the new Adobe After Effects Multi Frame Rendering is very interesting technology to be ware of. AMD was the first to tell Us Adobe AE was the number one app to best utilize the Threadripper Pro. And now We know and understand why. We'll know more in May. Stay tuned!
@@BuildOrBuy You are amazing, and I appreciate your expertise on all your videos. But how can you please explain to me how a thunderbolt 4 add on car, deliver full 40 GBps transfer speed when it is inserted into a PCIe 3 x 4 slot with a speed of 3940MB/s bandwidth. On top of that, chances are, depending on the system board in question, multiple devices are using that same PCIe 3 channel for other devices such as M.2, and other items. If you could please reassure me, because I am very much looking forward to the Gigabyte Maple Ridge Thunderbolt 4 card for my Aorus Elite AV system board, but of course, want the full 40 GBps transfer speed.
Hi@@raypirtle5786, Welcome! I'm honored! Appreciate Your Comments! You know of Intel's marketing hype! An impossible goal to achieve! And Thunderbolt 4 does nothing about achieving that goal beyond what Thunderbolt 3 promises. We expected more. It is what it is. All Thunderbolt 3 and 4, get 4 dedicated PCIe 3.0 Lanes. On some Motherboards, depending upon the Chipset and PCIe Resource allocations, yes there are tradeoffs but it's all or nothing in the options. In other words, those 4 Lanes of PCIe Resources are not shared simultaneously. Gigabyte Z490 Aorus Elite AC www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/Z490-AORUS-ELITE-AC-rev-10#kf Here's what's odd on that Motherboard. 1.) On the Z490 AORUS ELITE AC, Primary M.2 - M2B_CPU is reserved. Implying, not used. That's hard to believe. 2.) The Primary PCIe x16 Slot is to the CPU, dedicated. The other 2 Slots are through the Chipset, x4 and x1. Thunderbolt 4 of course will go in the PCIeX4 Slot. 3.) Diagram: M.2 Socket 3 = (M2M_SB) OR (SATA3 4~5). That's the only shared Resource We could locate. Hope that helps! Glad You've asked! Next Video, Gigabyte Maple Ridge Thunderbolt 4 add in card plus MSI and ASRock! Stay tuned!
Hi Carlo, Still same question, as You have asked on other Thunderbolt Video. Do You have 2 Thunderbolt Headers on Your Motherboard? A 5 Pin and 3 Pin Header?
Hi Michael Mc Avoy, Welcome! Crazy stuff right. Intel did a good job selling Us on this! Everyone seems to have their own approach of getting to the end Goal. We can and will make it work but man what a hassle! Can You imagine the average regular User? Convoluted! Let's hope We can help other Viewers sort this out! And knowing what We now know about Thunderbolt, makes Us even more curious about USB4. Up for conjecture at this point until We see real product! Documentation is essential! Stay tuned!
Hi timotmon, That was Edited down from over 2 hours of Filming! All of that needed to be covered for Perspective. Appreciate Your Comments! We were on the Wait List too for the ASUS Thunderbolt 4 AIC. Have yet to be notified about that. Therefor, keep watching daily for the ASUS ProArt B550 Creator Motherboard or else it could slip through Your fingers when available! Eager to see how Thunderbolt 4 works on that Motherboard with AMD 5000 series CPU! Stay tuned!
@@BuildOrBuy Amazing to hear, AE used to have multiprocessing and it worked well then they killed it. I would love to leave Adobe but there's really no real viable competitor for after effects. Node based apps like Fusion are good for motion graphics but their strengths are built around compositing first. Something about layered based animation just seems to work better for motion work. Thanks for all the great info! Good stuff. I sure hope the ProArt B550-creator is solid. I wish gigabyte had a TB 4 board coming out.
Hi@@timotmon, Absolutely Agree! Adobe multiprocessing - What took so long to bring it back! Information never seems to follow a straight line. We stumble into stuff! Layers vs Nodes. Different way of thinking. If Adobe went back to the Buy model instead of the Rent model. Who knows, at the rate Blackmagic is going... We'll see who Buys who! I remember when AMD asked Our group about Buying NVIDIA or ATI. We said then, ATI. ATI was the 1st at everything. ATI was innovative. And now look. NVIDIA Rules if CUDA Cores count. Go figure. However, We're still using AMD Radeon Pros for Rendering - WX7100 and WX9100. And getting up to 80% with Vegas Pro 18. That's an eye opener! Animation has always been about layers. Intuitive! Nodes are steps. Layers, front to back or Layers in steps, left to Right. We should not have to think about it. We should be able to just implement and do it. Hello Gigabyte? Agreed on that one too! Watching the ASUS ProArt B550 daily! All of this just to see Thunderbolt 4 come to fruition on AMD! Yes!
Hi@@timotmon, Don't know how I missed Your message. Did a search! I make it a point to respond to all messages. The prior AE multiprocessing was about 3 years ago, give or take. It was not efficient. This new MFR supposedly will be very efficient in use of Resources. Appreciate Your Comments! MFR is going to be an incredible performance enhancement, once announced! We're just doing this as FYI now since Shannon had asked for Our input! Agreed on both accounts, ASUS and Gigabyte, they seem to play leapfrog back and forth. If We hear anything, We'll chime in! Likewise, please!
Hi VideoByPatrick, So now We know what Motherboard You have! Excellent! I'll go back and answer You're other Question about Bifurcation! To this, excellent question. Short answer, specifically to Titan Ridge Thunderbolt 3, Asus x299 Prime Deluxe II has that feature built on to that Motherboard. No need for a separate Thunderbolt AIC. Install Drivers and go! Those USB-C ports are Titan Ridge Thunderbolt 3! ASUS Prime X299-Deluxe II X299 Motherboard LGA2066 (Intel Core X-Series) ATX DDR4 M.2 U.2 Thunderbolt 3 USB 3.1 with Dual Gigabit LAN and 802.11AC WiFi amzn.to/3iPRPov www.asus.com/us/motherboards-components/motherboards/prime/prime-x299-deluxe-ii/ Thanks for Asking! Congrats on Your Build!
Hi Nicholas Houle, Welcome! Clarity. Copy that! Get an Intel Certified Thunderbolt 40Gb/s cable. Your Thunderbolt 3 Audio interface should include a cable. Did it not? Or too short? Which Thunderbolt 3 Audio interface? We're going to be doing 2 Videos using 2 Thunderbolt 3 Audio interfaces. And possibly on Thunderbolt 4. We'll see. This helps Us to make better Videos! Check and Verify here. Sometimes this site is slow to load if it loads at all. thunderbolttechnology.net/products?tid=3&field_company_nid=All&field_prod_os_value_many_to_one=All&field_prod_tb_version_value_many_to_one=tbv4 Here are 2 examples on Amazon. 1. Highpoint TB3-040G-520 2M Thunderbolt 3 40Gb/s Cable amzn.to/35AbimE 2. [Intel Thunderbolt Certified] Cable Matters 40Gbps Active USB C Thunderbolt 4 Cable 6.6 ft with 100W Charging and 8K Video - Universally Compatible with USB-C, USB4, and Thunderbolt 3 amzn.to/3zy0TpA As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases. Hope that helps! Thanks for Asking!
Hi@@nicholashoule3378, OK. Excellent choice! Have You had any problems with Thunderbolt 4 Drivers? Another Subscriber has mentioned that to be a problem with Thunderbolt 4 on that Motherboard. Appreciate Your Feedback. This helps Us to make better Videos!
Got another question... working on transferring files over to a new computer using a SanDisk Extreme 256 micro SD and a Thunderbolt adapter but it's only writing at 15 MB/s. Is there a specific adapter that works with Thunderbolt 4? The one I bought says Thunderbolt 4 compatible but it's USB C rated. It's just a cheap $10 adapter from Amazon. It's taking hours just to transfer 50gb of files and I have about 4TB left to go.
Hi BDP Racing, What are the Specs of that Device? Did You Test? At that price, it is what it is. You have not watched Our Video about 10Gbps USB-C. We need to create a Video about 20Gbps USB-C. A USB-C Device that is compliant with ANY Thunderbolt Device only means Connectivity, not Throughput nor Bandwidth. And if a Thunderbolt Device were only Thunderbolt then it would not work without Thunderbolt. If You want fast, this will work: SanDisk Extreme Portable SSD V2 1TB amzn.to/3mgv1jW As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases! Appreciate Your Support! Hope that helps! Let me know if You require smaller physical size but high capacity. BTW: The included Adapter will also work for Connectivity to USB 3 at the speed that connection is capable of!
@@BuildOrBuy I'm stuck pulling files from the old computer with Micro SD cards. It's super slow on both computers. I wish I could plug an external hard drive into it. The new computer has a Gigabite Z690 Aero G motherboard with Gigabyte GC Maple Ridge Thunderbolt 4. It's crazy fast with an external hard drive but reading Micro SD's it's crazy slow.
Hi@@bdp-racing, More Information. Ok. That changes things. Why not get a Micro SD Reader for the new Computer? And only work from that new Computer. If the Micro SD Cards are slow, nothing We can do about that. This is USB-C 5Gbps... SanDisk Professional PRO-Reader Multi-Card - Multi-Slot High Performance Card Reader, USB-C 3.2 Gen 1 - SDPR3A8-0000-GBAND amzn.to/3GNo2s2 As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases! Hope that addresses Your needs!
@@BuildOrBuy Thank you. I do need to add a Micro SD dock to the computer. I have one spare bay for one. Not sure if a PCIE card or one that takes up a CD dock would be better. It would be easier if I could just plug them into the front of the computer. Just ordered that card reader.
Hi@@bdp-racing, Agreed. We addressed that issue about Drive Bay Devices. Those are mostly junk. To get a decent Media Reader, those are External. We're focused on 10Gbps and 20Gbps Connectivity and what's Required to make that happen! Another Video! Hope this helps! You should have good Service from that Device as a Media Reader. Your New Computer should have 10Gbps USB-C. That's why We need another Video to Explain 20Gbps USB-C! Working on the Video Filming List! BTW: If You Add a PCIe card, You'll want to Add 20Gbps USB-C if You have the PCIe Resources!
Hello whiteraimentevangelism, Welcome! Thunderbolt is suppose to be a lot of things! A lot of smoke and mirrors navigating Thunderbolt versions for which We have several Videos outlining those Specifics! Yes, Thunderbolt 2 uses the Mini DisplayPort connection. However, one does not mean the other. Remember, the basics of Thunderbolt. 1. To Route Data. 2. To Route Power. 3. To Route Video. To do that, Video 1st has to be ingested into Thunderbolt to Route Video through and Out of Thunderbolt. Think about that and let that soak in a bit. Better to keep it Simple and Route Video direct. Thank You Intel!
Hi Charlie Leemakdej, Welcome! Unfortunately does not appear to be possible. Vendor implementation is Vendor Specific. A real hassle. If We later learn different, We will make another Video! The Maple Ridge Driver model is also different than the Titan Ridge. We need to Build an ASRock Maple Ridge Computer and see what's going on. Even the Bios settings are different from what We've seen with Titan Ridge Settings. Agree, We should have or be able to enable Maple Ridge on TRX40. However, USB4 is still on the horizon. Right now, crickets! But USB4 is suppose to be Thunderbolt 3 compatible which means there will be a USB5. At which point We'll be using PCIe 6.0. So for now, the annoyance, Titan Ridge is it for TRX40 HEDT and WRX80 Workstations. Thanks for Asking! This is still a work in progress as far as We're concerned! Stay tuned!
Can the Asus ThunderboltEX 4 aic be connected through the PCIEX16_3 slot on the asus z590 prime-a which runs over the cpu lanes? The marketing pictures clearly showing that but previously it was only possible to connect thunderbolt aics over the chipset on intel. I'm confused.
Hi Franz Pleurmann, Excellent question! Let's work through those Specs and see what's up with that! www.asus.com/us/site/motherboards/Intel-Rocket-Lake-Z590-H570-B560-series/ ASUS Prime Z590-A Motherboard www.asus.com/us/motherboards-components/motherboards/all-series/prime-z590-a/ www.asus.com/us/motherboards-components/motherboards/all-series/prime-z590-a/techspec/ - Expansion Slots: 3 x PCIe 4.0/3.0 x16 (x16, x8/x4/x4) - Supports PCIe bandwidth bifurcation for RAID on CPU function. [Only 2 PCIe NVMe Drives would be seen! Ugh! Unless Using onboard Video from CPU]. Looking through the Specs and PDF manual, that should work in either PCIe x4 Slot since You can set the Thunderbolt Root Port selector. See PDF, page 36. The expectation will be the bottom PCIe Slot. No mention of the Board Diagram Layout. Curious. BTW: The PCIe primary Slot will become x8 when using either or both of the other 2 Slots according to Tech Specs. Bummer! To reiterate, only 16 Lanes allocated for 3 PCIe Slots. What's up with that? All this, so We can get Thunderbolt 4! Hmm... That's a 10 Core vs 16 Core Build. For the Adobe AE MFR Rendering Formula, lacking in CPU Horsepower and PCIe Resources. Hence a 2 year life span Computer. Thoughts?
Hi Franz, Yes, confusing! Good point! To simplify. According to ASUS, that 3rd Slot is through the Chipset. According to Gigabyte, Z590 / B560 series (Support by PCH PCIe x4 slot only). To reiterate, Thunderbolt 4 is on that 3rd Slot through the Chipset. Took a while to extrapolate that. Sorry for delay in clarity. Hope that helps! Now on AMD appears ASUS has Thunderbolt 4 which is also through the Chipset based on PCIe Resource allocation on ASUS ProArt B550 Creator Motherboard. On that Motherboard, Thunderbolt 4 Chipset Controller is built-in! No Add in card on that Motherboard! For Thunderbolt Video, Still requires a cable to get out of Video card and into Thunderbolt card. And the only way to get Thunderbolt 4 Support right now is on that Motherboard from ASUS! Interesting! 1.) www.asus.com/us/Motherboards-Components/Motherboards/All-series/PRIME-Z590-A/ 2.) www.asus.com/us/Motherboards-Components/Motherboards/Accessories/ThunderboltEX-4/ 3.) www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GC-MAPLE-RIDGE-rev-10#kf 4.) www.asus.com/us/Motherboards-Components/Motherboards/ProArt/ProArt-B550-CREATOR/
I have the MSI x670p AMD i thought it came with thunderbolt support. Now I bought Asus thunderbolt expansion card (ThunderboltEX4). My motherboard doesn't seem to have a TB header so I'm guessing it's not supported?
Hi Hector Reyes, Welcome! Correct. What You DO have is a good Motherboard though but to reiterate just no Thunderbolt 4 / USB4 Support. You have USB-C 20Gbps 2x2 Support. The confusion is with MSI calling that a Lighting Port. Obfuscation on their part. We like the facts! Not the Hype! Besides Thunderbolt 4 implementation has turned out to be proprietary instead of generic. Another way to know this is the Motherboard Thunderbolt 4 Header is Vendor specific. And the Bios Settings from Thunderbolt 3 to Thunderbolt 4 are also very Different from what We've seen. Hope that helps! What direction are You going now? If Thunderbolt is a Priority and You have the ASUS Thunderbolt 4 AIC, suggest ASUS Motherboard! Can You RMA the MSI Motherboard. Explain Your dilemma. Keep Us Posted on Your Progress! Thoughts?
@@BuildOrBuy Hi, thanks for the response. I bought the mobo back in OCT 2022 from Microcenter. So unfortunately I cannot return the Mobo. Like you said I fell for the marketing. When I bought it, the x670 mobos had just come out, so my local Microcenter only had 1 more left. I rushed the purpose and when I went to the MSI site to see if it had the specs I wanted I thought it had thunderbolt, I guess I confused thunderbolt capabilities with the term Lighting Port and the term MSI uses on their site "support for USB Front type C for the latest USB devices". When I went to pick it up at Microcenter I even asked the guy at pickup if this MOBO had PCIE 5.0 and if I can install a Thunderbolt expansion card since I wanted to future-proof the mobo. He said all I need is an extra PCIE lane. He said yes to both. Lo and behold it had neither. Months later I tried to connect it to a TS3 and found out the hard way that it was not compatible. lol, Honestly it's my fault for rushing the purpose and not taking my time to read the specs like I usually do, I was just too so excited to build my PC after years of waiting for there to be decent stocks on parts after covid. I will just return the TS3 and the expansion card. I wanted thunderbolt 4 because I have my pc off of my desk on a bookshelf in the other corner of my small office. Looks neat and gives me lots of desk space but the cables are an issue. So I wanted to put all my cables into a thunderbolt dock on my desk and run 1 cable to my PC. I guess my only solution is just to order extra long cables for all the PC accessories on my table and try to cable manage it. The MSI x670 Pro is great otherwise . Honestly thunderbolt is very useful even for PC builds. I got used to it cause I used a Razer Blade 15 for the last few years. Once more people start using it on PC it will become the norm on Mobos I am sure of that. Anyways, Thanks for the help hard and for clarifying my mistake, lesson learned. You have yourself a new subscriber.
Hi@@KiloIndia, I'm honored! Appreciate Your Support! Good timing today! Another Option for Thunderbolt 3, this is hit or miss without Bios Support. On the Thunderbolt card, jump Pins 3 to 5. That will keep the card alive on Maple Ridge AIC. You'll have to verify Header Pinout. We had all of that written down. Lost that Drive. Ugh. Lost a lot of Research. I love my Subscribers! The parts List - Cables and Jumpers: 1. Duttek (2-Pack 4.5CM 4 Pin 2.54mm Pitch Separate Motherboard Header PCB Cable Male to Female Extender Extension Dupont Jumper Wires Cable 8pcs/Pack (4Pin M/F) Out of stock! This is what We've used for that Purpose. amzn.to/3xvZtfx 2. Chanzon 40pcs 10cm Male to Female Header Jumper Wire Dupont Cable Line Connector 40 pin - In stock! You only need 2 if You go this Route. Shorter would be preferable. This is just an example. amzn.to/3Z66lvT 3. ZYAMY 30pcs 2.54mm Black Jumper Caps Standard Circuit Board Jumper Cap Shunts Short Circuit Connection Pin Blocks amzn.to/3lLavuO As an Amazon Affiliate I earn from qualifying purchases! At least You know the Parts if You choose to try that Route. Just Be careful on Jumping those Pins! Travel at Your Own Risk! Have to put that in there. Keep Us Posted on Your Progress!
I have b550 asus rog strix F .64gb ddr4 ryzen 3950x 16core devil 6700xt12gb ddr6 vid card.. mobo has the 14-1 TB connector i have the asus thunderbolt 4 card . My audio interface is thunderbolt 2 or 3 . The asus card uses the type C connector so im using the cable and adapter. Do you know why i need to have the audio interface fully booted before starting my pc or it wont see the thunderbolt device? What an ordeal finding a board with that pin...wow.also the install manual for the thunderbolt card doesn't have me hooking up cpu pwr cable to it. Is that ok?
Hi Daniel Robert Herr, Welcome! Sounds like a good, solid setup! USB-C Connector, Yes. Audio interface on and running before the Computer, Yes. Audio interface has to be running before Computer will see it. Not Plug and Play as We would like. Device Enumeration occurs. In other words, for Computer to see Audio interface, same has to be functional. We have that on another Audio interface that's not Thunderbolt. Your Audio interface is Self Powered. Therfore the Thunderbolt power tap is not required. Good. Hope that helps! Thanks for Sharing! All about the music!
Hi Michael Mc Avoy, Very interesting You should mention that! We're working on something similar as a test. We had a Subscriber ask about how fast does Windows 10 install on RAID. Same. The real question is how fast can We install Windows period! The install media using Windows Media Creation Tool as Our prerequisite, which is somewhat close to what You're talking about. However, We're starting from USB-C for proof of concept. We just need to Film the process, explain the procedures, parameters and document results. Even more relevant now that Windows 11 is maybe October 2021 to the Public. Any of this seems esoteric unless You're there like M.2 NVMe PCIe x16 Quad AICs or Thunderbolt something! If USB-C works, next progression will be Thunderbolt! The parameters for the Windows Media Creation Tool are crucial to follow. Keep Us Posted on Your progress! This should be a blast! Stay tuned!
I have noticed that Manufacturers like ASUS, Nvidia, and Gigabyte have put out the information of new products they are bringing to the market, but acquiring them may be as long as a year, or two from now, due to the international situation with the supply chain. Whether it's GPU's, Game Consoles, or Chips for major Auto Manufacturers, availability seems to be very limited. The sad thing is that, what products are available like GPU's, only appear to be available on EBAY, or FACEBOOK at three times MSRP.... I also hear that the 5000 Series Threadrippers are to be released in August, and whether they will be available or not is still an unknown. I seen where the ASUS WRX80 MB has been out of stock.... though the Threadripper Pro CPU's have remained stocked at MSRP...
Hi Shannon, Certainly seems to be that way! Chips everywhere for everything are in short supply. Looks like Drives are getting scarce and DDR4 is going up in response to DDR5. Makes Us feel like a Bug on a windshield! Waiting may be more of a gamble than an option if the current trend continues. Food for thought!
@@BuildOrBuy GIGABYTE GC-Titan Ridge 2.0 (Titan Ridge Thunderbolt 3 PCIe Card just dropped significantly in price on amazon, and it was first released on June 16, 2020, which is a great indicator, Maple Ridge is close. And I corresponded with Gigabyte support, regarding Maple Ridge Thunderbolt 4 Card, and I quote, "According to our sales, we have them at our warehouse in Southern California and waiting to be SKU, order and ship to reseller. It should be available soon. Thank you for your interest and support in AORUS/GIGABYTE Gaming products." This makes great sense because we are about 19 days away from the 1 year anniversary of Titan Ridge being available. Excited..
i Live in Algeria and im trying to find this to make my Audio interface work on my X570 Aorus Master rev 1.2 but no luck i wonder if GC-MAPLE works in my motherboard because that's the only thing i could find at MSRP in amazon France so i can have my cousin ship it here.
Hi 3ab9arbeats, Welcome! Good Question. Working with Thunderbolt on Your specific Motherboard, we have to start with which Thunderbolt interface card works on Your Motherboard. Gigabyte Titan Ridge according to Gigabyte. 1. Gigabyte Titan Ridge www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GC-TITAN-RIDGE-rev-20#kf 2. Gigabyte Maple Ridge is NOT Supported on X570 Chipset. www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GC-MAPLE-RIDGE-rev-10#kf 3. Gigabyte Titan Ridge Thunderbolt V2 interface card amzn.to/48czv1b As an Amazon Affiliate I earn from qualifying purchases. That card is getting hard to source.
can i put this in my windows 10 desktop? and get usb c video transfer feed? i just bought a usb c monitor for the 1 cable use. it said it can be powered by usb c and get video feed throught that same cable and my usb c cable on my desktop just powered it no signal. would this be a solution fix? My motherboard is MSI Meg ace x570 amd4
Hi TvSaiyan Shinobi, Welcome! Short answer, don't think so. Bummer right. Longer answer below. But We can make it work! In essence, Your Motherboard has USB-C. You're trying to do DisplayPort over USB-C. Your Motherboard does not support Thunderbolt 3 for Bios Support of Thunderbolt. According to the DisplayPort DataBase, that technology only works on Laptops and smartphones that have implemented but not on MSI Desktop Motherboards. MSI MEG X570 ACE - Nice Motherboard! Good Chipset! www.msi.com/Motherboard/MEG-X570-ACE www.displayport.org/displayport-over-usb-c/ We can check the DisplayPort over USB-C DataBase to verify either Computer or Monitor. Do You have a Laptop? www.displayport.org/products-database/ What Monitor? We'll check! To reiterate, Your Monitor may be capable but Your Motherboard is not. Hope that helps! Thanks for Asking! Here's how to make it work! Install this: SUNIX IT USB 3.1 Dual Port USB-C PCI Express (w/Alternate-Mode) (UPD2018) amzn.to/3gtIph6 As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases. Keep Us Posted on Your Progress! Success!
@@BuildOrBuy wow I appreciate you responding and giving me the exact info I needed and couldn’t find. The monitor I purchased was this WIMAXIT Portable Touch Monitor, 14 Inch 98% sRGB ... www.amazon.com/dp/B096LFHF9H/ref=cm_sw_r_sms_api_glt_fabc_9AM6CWHHFTEBG54Q9RW4?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1. So if I purchase that card you posted I can get up to 3 of these working if so your amazing lol ima purchase it after the response if so lol.
Hi@@InSaiyan-Shinobi, Just now seeing Your message. RUclips had held for Review since a link was included. All good! Yes, that should work! We will not know for certain until You try. To reiterate, according to the Specs and Technology, You should be in business! Glad to help! Keep Us Posted on Your progress! BTW: Only 1 USB-C Port, in the middle, for Video on this add in card! Notice Port Labels. Only requires a single PCIe Slot. According to Specs: 1. Has Hot-swapping feature and 2. Compliant with VESA DisplayPort Alternate Mode for USB Type-C Standard Rev1.0. Use a PCIe 3.0 Slot for 4k output. And... This card may require a firmware update to work with AMD. Hope that helps! Now, if You decide to try a Thunderbolt 3 AIC, get the Gigabyte Titan Ridge Thunderbolt 3 AIC. Requires a 4 PCIe Lane Slot. Don't expect Hot Swap to work. And no Bios support to allocate Memory to Devices. Use a Slot to the Chipset instead of direct to the CPU. GIGABYTE GC-Titan Ridge 2.0 (Titan Ridge Thunderbolt 3 PCIe Card Component) amzn.to/2RPSuNg As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases.
@@mohsh86 got it. Thanks. Gonna read 1 with 2 m.2 then or raid 1 on 2 pci e card packed with m.2s ..... but I heard those 4 pci e slots have different bandwidth. Some are faster than others
Hi@@jollygreen4662, Welcome! mosh86 is correct about slowest common denominator. However... You cannot RAID disparate technologies. Example: PCIe M.2 NVMe and SSD. You can RAID 2 or more of same but not different technologies. And You can have an M.2 NVMe RAID and a SATA RAID, if You have the Resources. As for PCIe Slots, depends upon PCIe Resource configuration. To CPU or through Chipset. Instead of speaking in concepts, give Us Your Motherboard Spec, and we'll speak to specifics on said Motherboard and how that Resource is addressed. Chipsets Rule! Hope that helps!
Hi@@mohsh86, Welcome! Thanks for helping Jolly Green! We cannot RAID disparate technologies. Example: PCIe M.2 NVMe and SSD. We can RAID 2 or more of same but not different technologies. And We can have an M.2 NVMe RAID and a SATA RAID, if We have the Resources.
Your show and info are great but you GOTS 2 HAVE a key light on your face, The lighting is so flat and it makes the show look so dismal. All else is trivial because you mic is okay enough. Just a boxed grid/snoot LED / $49.= spot. You Can Do It. You Can Do It. Thanks in advance.
Hi Joseph Böhme, Thank You for Your Comments! Priorities. As a reminder, this Video is about Intel Thunderbolt 4 vs Thunderbolt 3. Your observations We cover Behind the Scene. Filming in Studio, I use Shure GLXD Mics from Our Live Audience Shows which We no longer are doing. The Mic array of 4 Mics gives me plenty of latitude even now. The Compressor Limiter was removed from the Rackmount Mixer to install a Splitter to allow for attendees who had hearing impaired devices. We could plug them into Our system so they could hear everything. That device needs swapping out. Not a priority. I move around a lot so no lapel mic. Running the Blackmagic ATEM Video Switch keeps me busy and inconstant motion. This is a concert. My Cohost used the lapel mic. Same for Overhead Mic. I move around too much. For remote Filming without the ATEM Video Switch, We use Sennheiser to Camera. This setup in Studio is flat looking because We have no room to Film from a corner. And since We use 4 to 6 Cameras to Film, lighting becomes more of a challenge rather than using 1 Camera for 3 or 4 point lighting. Duly noted. I could go on an on. We're contemplating going 4k. Right now, everything is 1080 / 59.94. Appreciate Your constructive observations. BTW: We have more lights to install sitting in a box for an unboxing Video. If We had the ceiling height, that would be the preferred way to light. We're using LED Panels instead of LED Spots with Softboxes. Different topics. Different Videos. One Channel at a time!
Hi JayzBeerz, Welcome! Glad You've asked! Thunderbolt 3 was easy. Everyone is now using a different Thunderbolt Pinout Header on Thunderbolt 4. Big hassle! Going forward, to enable Thunderbolt 4 is going to be Brand specific due to that annoying feature to enable Bios support. Bios support is required for full Device support to allocate Memory for Thunderbolt Device Connectivity. Hope that clarification helps! Thanks for Watching!
Hi HTA, Welcome! We still have a Video to do showing a Universal Audio interface on Thunderbolt 3. Same should work on Thunderbolt 4. Vendors have made Thunderbolt 4 implementation Vendor specific and therefore harder than it should be. We're currently working through M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drive Heatsinks and Dual / Quad Adapters. Hope this helps! Thanks for Asking! Stay tuned!
@@BuildOrBuy the audio interface I have has thunderbolt 2, so I would need to buy an adapter regardless of what pcie card I get if I get one, the mother board im getting is a b550e which has a "audio usb-c" connection, it doesnt say anywhere if its a thunderbolt 3 connection or not, can you help? the interface I have is an apollo twin
Hi@@hta1803, Which Motherboard? Be happy to check the Specs and verify. A Thunderbolt Audio interface requires Thunderbolt. Just having USB-C is not enough. Yes, You'll need an Adapter to ho from Thunderbolt 2 to Thunderbolt 3 or 4. Hope that helps!
Hi@@hta1803, Be happy to! As a Subscriber, You'll receive a notice. Not Filming that yet. You would not believe how long that's been in the works! Subscribers Questions get pretty involved when they require a Video response! And can take Us in directions requiring time to Plan, Film, Edit and Post! Thanks for Asking! Stay Tuned!
thank you for taking time out of your life to make such detailed but niche content .
Hello BasedPajeet,
Welcome! Glad We could help! Appreciate Your Comments!
I'm not sure what the bandwidth of a 4k display signal is but is it possible that the 40GB/s is the 30GB/s plus the two 4k signals that would be coming in through the mini display port inputs?
Hi The NPC Show,
Great Question! Two ways to go at this. One, Test and Verify. Two, helps to know what We're working with before We get started! Here's a good example... Hence only 2 Monitors does it on that Bandwidth!
1. bandwidth - Thunderbolt 3 - calculate bandwidth required by monitors - Super User
superuser.com/questions/1571715/thunderbolt-3-calculate-bandwith-required-by-monitors
2. Guide to Display Cables / Adapters (v2) - Displays - Linus Tech Tips - See: Data Rate Calculator
linustechtips.com/topic/729232-guide-to-display-cables-adapters-v2/?section=calc&H=3840&V=2160&F=60&bpc=10&timing=cvtrb&calculations=show&formulas=show
I'm always amazed at anyone wanting to Route Video through Thunderbolt when We can just plug straight in to the Monitor! And GPU power is more about Rendering now than Display. We prefer to utilize Thunderbolt Bandwidth for Data access or a DAW interface. Perception and Perspective. Hope that helps!
@@BuildOrBuy I totally agree with you. I'm planning to do this only because of my unusual setup. I've got a motorized desk on wheels that isn't able to lift because I overloaded it with a PC, battery backup, two monitors, two DUAL ergotron arms, microphone arm, and studio lights so I'm trying to lighten all of it by moving the PC and battery backup off the desk. It's sort of a mobile streaming desk where I can move it from living room to kitchen depending on what I'm streaming 😃 With this setup, I'd only have to run a power cord and an active thunderbolt cable to a hub on my desk 😁👍
Hi@@TheNPCShow,
That makes total sense if You have a need! Changing one thing, changes everything! Sometimes We have to get creative based on the Project! Sounds like You need a Menace Mount like We use for Grip Gear Rigging! Or maybe a Film Tools Video cart! Keep Us Posted on Your Progress! Success on Your Streaming Setup! Thanks for sharing! This helps Us to make better Videos for Our Subscribers!
@@BuildOrBuy Ah, cool stuff. I'll check it out ^_^
this is the best thunderbolt explanation ever.
Hi Deyan, Hope We Delivered on the promise! Thanks for Watching! More to come!
@@BuildOrBuy i learned alot! thank you!, you talk alot about what it's like to work with the product, very nice.
Hi@@naamloos1337, Thank You! Lots of info to consider in the greater scheme of things! Hope that helps!
Just added the GC-Maple Ridge to a Z590 Aorus Master. Unpleasant. Reminded me of the old days of dip switches, IRQ's and whatnot.
Hi Elitespoon,
Welcome! Congrats! Maple Ridge is Vendor Specific due to the implementation of the Motherboard Thunderbolt Header. Hassle, Right. Have You tested connectivity yet? What are You using Thunderbolt for? This helps Us to make better Videos! IRQs, We can relate! Now it's all about PCIe Resources! A lot of work to enable an I/O interface! Thanks for Sharing!
@@BuildOrBuy I have tested connectivity. I had to install the Thunderbolt drivers, flash the BIOS, and adjust some very poorly documented BIOS settings. I want to say I read somewhere in the motherboard docs that the card must be in the last PCIe slot.
This was for an OWC Thunderbay 4 Thunderbolt 3 RAID 5 array. Unfortunately, the write performance is terrible (I think 70-ish MB/s) because the SoftRAID software for Windows is still in beta, but it works. Haven't tested the read performance yet. Waiting for the first release.
Hi@@elitespoon , Thunderbolt anything should not be this much hassle and should be documented by each Vendor since Thunderbolt 4 is now Vendor Specific!
For Your Chipset, can You share those settings. Details matter! If You can, greatly Appreciated! We Might be able to help someone else in Your situation!
Your channel is absolutely amazing. Why is it so easy to connect Thunderbolt devices on MAC but in Windows it’s so hit or miss?
Hello Asaf Blasberg Videographer,
Simple. From 1 Vendor to many Vendors. With MAC, Apple. With PC, Intel for Design. Implementation is left to each Motherboard manufacturer. To reiterate, Thunderbolt works when everything is done according to procedures. Miss 1 step, nothing. On a PC We have 2 options. Built-in or Add-on. Each has it's Pros and Cons as We have Outlined in other Videos. Hope that helps!
Thank you for this video!
I do have a question though; is TH4 cards backwards compatible with TH3 motherboards?
What I mean is, my motherboard supports TH3, can I get TH4 card and install it on my motherboard?
To be honest, I have GIGABYTE mob; however, I can not find "GIGABYTE GC-Titan Ridge 2.0 (Titan Ridge Thunderbolt 3)" anywhere these days, but the same TB4 card is available.
Thank you in advance!
Hi Yosef,
Welcome! Appreciate Your Comments. Thunderbolt is a but of a conundrum. Each Vendor has their own implementation based on Motherboard Chipset. Each Thunderbolt add-in card will list which Chipset is supported. When Thunderbolt works, it just works. When Thunderbolt does not work, it's a PITA! We had a bunch more Thunderbolt testing to do but changing from Thunderbolt 3 to Thunderbolt 4 made that a mute point. Even different Chipsets for 1st Generation Thunderbolt 4 do not have the capabilities of 2nd Generation Thunderbolt 4. It's a mess. What you'll find in the Motherboard Bios, additional settings for PCIe Tunneling. On the flip side, Test and Verify and see what happens. Even the Firmware updates were crucial. If you want Thunderbolt 4, new Motherboard with new Chipset. Devices for Thunderbolt 4 are backwards compatible with Thunderbolt 3 but no further back. In other words, on Thunderbolt 4, no Thunderbolt 2 support. The cut-off. Crazy. Right. Thunderbolt 4 is suppose to be tightening up on the loose Specs of Thunderbolt 3.
@@BuildOrBuy Thank you for the answer!
It's indeed a mess!
I'll think if I ever decided that I actually need the TH, I'll try and let you know here if I did work for me or not!
Hi@@yosefofarabia508,
Thunderbolt is great on paper. Implementation is a mess. When it works, it works. When it doesn't work, PITA. Yes, we'll look forward to your update. USB-C 10Gbps and USB-C 20Gbps are so much easier to implement. But Thunderbolt is intoxicating. Intel marketing. Over Sold. Under Delivered.
Lot of good info. So to recap. I wanna extend few more yrs of my ASUS X99-E WS using as 2nd workstation. I need at least the 1 single TB display for Apple Thunderbolt & TB nVme drive & option to connect 10Gb TB LAN to local workstation network.. Dual GPU (RTX 3080-Ti + Intel ARK A770). It's limited finding nice, used ASIUS ThunderboltEX 3 so I'm interested in the Gigabyte Titan Ridge TB-3. Is 5 pin ready out of the box , or I need to jump?
Hi K Hanscombe,
Welcome! In theory it should work! And You should not have to Jump Pins 3 to 5. No doubt, Thunderbolt is finicky. It either works or does not. Might need to Update Thunderbolt 3 Firmware. However, in doing so You may lose Device support for that Apple Display. A conundrum. Depends upon V1 or V2 AIC. Anyway... Not possible on Thunderbolt 4 though. Keep Us Posted on Your Progress!
I think this one left me with a headache. I am so glad that my TB card is still safely in the box. LOL Good job again Gill
Hi John, Was concerned about that. Sorry. It it what it is! When You're ready to think outside of the box, let Us know if You need any help! This should not be so complicated! Eager to see what USB4 Delivers without a Header cable and when!?! A lot of work, on Our part, for an I/O Interface.
@@BuildOrBuy No need to apologize. As for actually using TB3, I just don't have the need for it currently. I am far more interested in the bandwidth increases from PCI-e 5.0 and DDR5 have to offer in the near(ish) future.
Hi@@That_Stealth_Guy , Like 4k, need or want... Feature or Benefit. And DDR4 is going to get more expensive as DDR5 comes online since PCIe 5.0 is on the horizon! We're like bugs on a windshield! Stay tuned!
oooohhh yeah! I'll be watching this one tomorrow during work :P :)
Hi Deyan, I'm honored! Appreciate Your Comments!
Hello , thank you for sharing all this information, I want to buy ( Asus Intel® ThunderboltTM 4 JHL 8540 ) and install it on my AMD system that have x570 asus rog strix x570-e and then I am going to connect EGPU with 3090ti using the Thunderbolt , will this card work ???
Hi Mr. Yusuf,
Welcome! Appreciate Your Comments! Great Question! Sorry for taking so long! Videos!
ASUS ROG Strix X570-E Gaming & ASUS Thunderbolt 4 Add in card. I don't see any Bios Support for that. Is this for an audio Interface?
ASUS ROG Strix X570-E Gaming
rog.asus.com/us/motherboards/rog-strix/rog-strix-x570-e-gaming-model/
ASUS Thunderbolt 4 Add in card
www.asus.com/us/Motherboards-Components/Motherboards/Accessories/ThunderboltEX-4/
ThunderboltEX 4 Card Compatible Model List
dlcdnets.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/Add-on_card/ThunderboltEX_4/ThunderboltEX_4_Card_Compatible_ModelListaddB660H67020220111.pdf
You would need the ROG Strix Z590-E Gaming WiFi.
rog.asus.com/us/motherboards/rog-strix/rog-strix-z590-e-gaming-wifi-model/
1 x Thunderbolt header on Motherboard! Details matter! Hope that helps!
Sheesh, didn't even realize Thunderbolt 4 had hit the shelves already! You're on it, Gill 😁 as always of course 😄💯🙌🏽
Hi Alana Jen, Thunderbolt 4 shipping, kind of snuck up on Us! I'm like a fly on honey! Appreciate Your Comments! Thanks for watching!
BTW: Really enjoyed Your latest Video! Packed with lots of good Info!
@@BuildOrBuy Of course! Super happy to watch 😄 you put in a lot of work for your subscribers 💯💕 And thanks for the encouragement 😊 ill do my best to rinse and repeat 😁
Hi@@alanaATX, All about the magic of ASQ! I Love my Subscribers! You are most welcome and most deserving! 1%!
@@BuildOrBuy 💖
Thanks for another informative video. -- Regarding Adobe, we've almost entirely abandoned their products. This as Adobe is resting on their laurels. Adobe's products rarely use more than a few cores and even then, only certain processes within an application are highly multithreaded. The same with GPU acceleration, very hit or miss as to whether any given Adobe function is accelerated. For video, we're now using Davinci Resolve Studio, $300, one time purchase, no subscription, upgrades free for life. Resolve takes full advantage of 24 / 32 core Threadrippers and the latest GPUs. Much the same with Affinity Photo instead of Photoshop. Comprehensive GPU acceleration with a highly developed feature set.
Not a bad call.. This is my frustration too in AE, however you can use scripts or utilities like 'Render Boss' that do tend utilize more cores effectively during renders.
Hi Michael V, Thank You for Your Comments! We share that View on Adobe. My history with Adobe goes back to Aldus Pagemaker when Adobe bought that, and PhotoStyler. I'm still waiting on my Upgrade We were promised from PhotoStyler to Photoshop. Circa 1994!
Adobe is about to take an overdue leap forward in multithreaded capability. Another subscriber sent Us a link. Asked Us to comment. The Video is from Puget Systems interviewing Sean Jenkin with Adobe. The biggest take away from that Video, Adobe After Effects Multi Frame Rendering = Faster Rendering. And 64 Cores - Windows Processor Groups limitation. Adobe is coming out of the dark ages of Rendering. That should be a short Video. An FYI Video!
We use Vegas Pro and DaVinci Resolve and have just acquired a License with Edit Panel of DaVinci Resolve Studio! Another Video!
Hi@@timotmon, Welcome! Nice to meet You! Personally, not a fan of Adobe anything. However, the new Adobe After Effects Multi Frame Rendering is very interesting technology to be ware of. AMD was the first to tell Us Adobe AE was the number one app to best utilize the Threadripper Pro. And now We know and understand why. We'll know more in May. Stay tuned!
@@BuildOrBuy You are amazing, and I appreciate your expertise on all your videos. But how can you please explain to me how a thunderbolt 4 add on car, deliver full 40 GBps transfer speed when it is inserted into a PCIe 3 x 4 slot with a speed of 3940MB/s bandwidth. On top of that, chances are, depending on the system board in question, multiple devices are using that same PCIe 3 channel for other devices such as M.2, and other items. If you could please reassure me, because I am very much looking forward to the Gigabyte Maple Ridge Thunderbolt 4 card for my Aorus Elite AV system board, but of course, want the full 40 GBps transfer speed.
Hi@@raypirtle5786,
Welcome! I'm honored! Appreciate Your Comments! You know of Intel's marketing hype! An impossible goal to achieve! And Thunderbolt 4 does nothing about achieving that goal beyond what Thunderbolt 3 promises. We expected more. It is what it is. All Thunderbolt 3 and 4, get 4 dedicated PCIe 3.0 Lanes. On some Motherboards, depending upon the Chipset and PCIe Resource allocations, yes there are tradeoffs but it's all or nothing in the options. In other words, those 4 Lanes of PCIe Resources are not shared simultaneously.
Gigabyte Z490 Aorus Elite AC
www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/Z490-AORUS-ELITE-AC-rev-10#kf
Here's what's odd on that Motherboard.
1.) On the Z490 AORUS ELITE AC, Primary M.2 - M2B_CPU is reserved. Implying, not used. That's hard to believe.
2.) The Primary PCIe x16 Slot is to the CPU, dedicated. The other 2 Slots are through the Chipset, x4 and x1. Thunderbolt 4 of course will go in the PCIeX4 Slot.
3.) Diagram: M.2 Socket 3 = (M2M_SB) OR (SATA3 4~5). That's the only shared Resource We could locate. Hope that helps!
Glad You've asked! Next Video, Gigabyte Maple Ridge Thunderbolt 4 add in card plus MSI and ASRock! Stay tuned!
Great video. Still a bit unsure which card I could use with my MSI X570 tomahawk board.
I am looking to add additional displays via usb c
Hi Carlo,
Still same question, as You have asked on other Thunderbolt Video. Do You have 2 Thunderbolt Headers on Your Motherboard? A 5 Pin and 3 Pin Header?
Hi@@carlopane4368,
Which Monitor are You trying to use?
IT Guy for 30 years and even my head is spinning LOL
Hi Michael Mc Avoy,
Welcome! Crazy stuff right. Intel did a good job selling Us on this! Everyone seems to have their own approach of getting to the end Goal. We can and will make it work but man what a hassle! Can You imagine the average regular User? Convoluted! Let's hope We can help other Viewers sort this out!
And knowing what We now know about Thunderbolt, makes Us even more curious about USB4. Up for conjecture at this point until We see real product! Documentation is essential! Stay tuned!
Crazy amount of info... I'm on the wait list for the B550 proart... can't wait to see how that works with an eGPU.
Hi timotmon, That was Edited down from over 2 hours of Filming! All of that needed to be covered for Perspective. Appreciate Your Comments!
We were on the Wait List too for the ASUS Thunderbolt 4 AIC. Have yet to be notified about that. Therefor, keep watching daily for the ASUS ProArt B550 Creator Motherboard or else it could slip through Your fingers when available! Eager to see how Thunderbolt 4 works on that Motherboard with AMD 5000 series CPU! Stay tuned!
@@BuildOrBuy Amazing to hear, AE used to have multiprocessing and it worked well then they killed it. I would love to leave Adobe but there's really no real viable competitor for after effects. Node based apps like Fusion are good for motion graphics but their strengths are built around compositing first. Something about layered based animation just seems to work better for motion work. Thanks for all the great info! Good stuff. I sure hope the ProArt B550-creator is solid. I wish gigabyte had a TB 4 board coming out.
Hi@@timotmon, Absolutely Agree! Adobe multiprocessing - What took so long to bring it back! Information never seems to follow a straight line. We stumble into stuff! Layers vs Nodes. Different way of thinking. If Adobe went back to the Buy model instead of the Rent model. Who knows, at the rate Blackmagic is going... We'll see who Buys who! I remember when AMD asked Our group about Buying NVIDIA or ATI. We said then, ATI. ATI was the 1st at everything. ATI was innovative. And now look. NVIDIA Rules if CUDA Cores count. Go figure. However, We're still using AMD Radeon Pros for Rendering - WX7100 and WX9100. And getting up to 80% with Vegas Pro 18. That's an eye opener!
Animation has always been about layers. Intuitive! Nodes are steps. Layers, front to back or Layers in steps, left to Right. We should not have to think about it. We should be able to just implement and do it.
Hello Gigabyte? Agreed on that one too! Watching the ASUS ProArt B550 daily! All of this just to see Thunderbolt 4 come to fruition on AMD! Yes!
Hi@@timotmon,
Don't know how I missed Your message. Did a search! I make it a point to respond to all messages. The prior AE multiprocessing was about 3 years ago, give or take. It was not efficient. This new MFR supposedly will be very efficient in use of Resources. Appreciate Your Comments! MFR is going to be an incredible performance enhancement, once announced! We're just doing this as FYI now since Shannon had asked for Our input! Agreed on both accounts, ASUS and Gigabyte, they seem to play leapfrog back and forth. If We hear anything, We'll chime in! Likewise, please!
Hi timotmon, Did You receive delivery on Your ASUS ProArt B550 Creator Motherboard yet? We did a week ago! Unboxing!
What if the mobo lacks TB header ? Such as the Asus x299 Prime Deluxe II.
Hi VideoByPatrick,
So now We know what Motherboard You have! Excellent! I'll go back and answer You're other Question about Bifurcation! To this, excellent question. Short answer, specifically to Titan Ridge Thunderbolt 3, Asus x299 Prime Deluxe II has that feature built on to that Motherboard. No need for a separate Thunderbolt AIC. Install Drivers and go! Those USB-C ports are Titan Ridge Thunderbolt 3!
ASUS Prime X299-Deluxe II X299 Motherboard LGA2066 (Intel Core X-Series) ATX DDR4 M.2 U.2 Thunderbolt 3 USB 3.1 with Dual Gigabit LAN and 802.11AC WiFi
amzn.to/3iPRPov
www.asus.com/us/motherboards-components/motherboards/prime/prime-x299-deluxe-ii/
Thanks for Asking! Congrats on Your Build!
I'm trying to get my head around this, I have a Thunderbolt 3 audio interface and a thunderbolt 4 asus motherboard, what kind of cable do I need?
Hi Nicholas Houle,
Welcome! Clarity. Copy that! Get an Intel Certified Thunderbolt 40Gb/s cable. Your Thunderbolt 3 Audio interface should include a cable. Did it not? Or too short? Which Thunderbolt 3 Audio interface? We're going to be doing 2 Videos using 2 Thunderbolt 3 Audio interfaces. And possibly on Thunderbolt 4. We'll see. This helps Us to make better Videos!
Check and Verify here. Sometimes this site is slow to load if it loads at all.
thunderbolttechnology.net/products?tid=3&field_company_nid=All&field_prod_os_value_many_to_one=All&field_prod_tb_version_value_many_to_one=tbv4
Here are 2 examples on Amazon.
1. Highpoint TB3-040G-520 2M Thunderbolt 3 40Gb/s Cable
amzn.to/35AbimE
2. [Intel Thunderbolt Certified] Cable Matters 40Gbps Active USB C Thunderbolt 4 Cable 6.6 ft with 100W Charging and 8K Video - Universally Compatible with USB-C, USB4, and Thunderbolt 3
amzn.to/3zy0TpA
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Hope that helps! Thanks for Asking!
@@BuildOrBuy no it did not come with a TB cable, I'm using a Apollo twin x quad (TB3) and a Asus B550 Creator (TB4)
Hi@@nicholashoule3378,
OK. Excellent choice! Have You had any problems with Thunderbolt 4 Drivers? Another Subscriber has mentioned that to be a problem with Thunderbolt 4 on that Motherboard. Appreciate Your Feedback. This helps Us to make better Videos!
Got another question... working on transferring files over to a new computer using a SanDisk Extreme 256 micro SD and a Thunderbolt adapter but it's only writing at 15 MB/s. Is there a specific adapter that works with Thunderbolt 4? The one I bought says Thunderbolt 4 compatible but it's USB C rated. It's just a cheap $10 adapter from Amazon. It's taking hours just to transfer 50gb of files and I have about 4TB left to go.
Hi BDP Racing,
What are the Specs of that Device? Did You Test? At that price, it is what it is. You have not watched Our Video about 10Gbps USB-C. We need to create a Video about 20Gbps USB-C. A USB-C Device that is compliant with ANY Thunderbolt Device only means Connectivity, not Throughput nor Bandwidth. And if a Thunderbolt Device were only Thunderbolt then it would not work without Thunderbolt.
If You want fast, this will work:
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BTW: The included Adapter will also work for Connectivity to USB 3 at the speed that connection is capable of!
@@BuildOrBuy I'm stuck pulling files from the old computer with Micro SD cards. It's super slow on both computers. I wish I could plug an external hard drive into it. The new computer has a Gigabite Z690 Aero G motherboard with Gigabyte GC Maple Ridge Thunderbolt 4. It's crazy fast with an external hard drive but reading Micro SD's it's crazy slow.
Hi@@bdp-racing,
More Information. Ok. That changes things. Why not get a Micro SD Reader for the new Computer? And only work from that new Computer. If the Micro SD Cards are slow, nothing We can do about that.
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@@BuildOrBuy Thank you. I do need to add a Micro SD dock to the computer. I have one spare bay for one. Not sure if a PCIE card or one that takes up a CD dock would be better. It would be easier if I could just plug them into the front of the computer. Just ordered that card reader.
Hi@@bdp-racing,
Agreed. We addressed that issue about Drive Bay Devices. Those are mostly junk. To get a decent Media Reader, those are External. We're focused on 10Gbps and 20Gbps Connectivity and what's Required to make that happen! Another Video! Hope this helps! You should have good Service from that Device as a Media Reader. Your New Computer should have 10Gbps USB-C. That's why We need another Video to Explain 20Gbps USB-C! Working on the Video Filming List!
BTW: If You Add a PCIe card, You'll want to Add 20Gbps USB-C if You have the PCIe Resources!
thundebolt 2 is supposed to be the same thing as mini displayport on a pc or is compatible with it
Hello whiteraimentevangelism,
Welcome! Thunderbolt is suppose to be a lot of things! A lot of smoke and mirrors navigating Thunderbolt versions for which We have several Videos outlining those Specifics! Yes, Thunderbolt 2 uses the Mini DisplayPort connection. However, one does not mean the other. Remember, the basics of Thunderbolt. 1. To Route Data. 2. To Route Power. 3. To Route Video. To do that, Video 1st has to be ingested into Thunderbolt to Route Video through and Out of Thunderbolt. Think about that and let that soak in a bit. Better to keep it Simple and Route Video direct. Thank You Intel!
Can the TB4 such as GC Maple Ridge be used with the Gigabyte TRX40 Designare? // Thanks
Hi Charlie Leemakdej,
Welcome! Unfortunately does not appear to be possible. Vendor implementation is Vendor Specific. A real hassle. If We later learn different, We will make another Video! The Maple Ridge Driver model is also different than the Titan Ridge. We need to Build an ASRock Maple Ridge Computer and see what's going on. Even the Bios settings are different from what We've seen with Titan Ridge Settings. Agree, We should have or be able to enable Maple Ridge on TRX40. However, USB4 is still on the horizon. Right now, crickets! But USB4 is suppose to be Thunderbolt 3 compatible which means there will be a USB5. At which point We'll be using PCIe 6.0. So for now, the annoyance, Titan Ridge is it for TRX40 HEDT and WRX80 Workstations. Thanks for Asking! This is still a work in progress as far as We're concerned! Stay tuned!
Can the Asus ThunderboltEX 4 aic be connected through the PCIEX16_3 slot on the asus z590 prime-a which runs over the cpu lanes? The marketing pictures clearly showing that but previously it was only possible to connect thunderbolt aics over the chipset on intel. I'm confused.
Hi Franz Pleurmann,
Excellent question! Let's work through those Specs and see what's up with that!
www.asus.com/us/site/motherboards/Intel-Rocket-Lake-Z590-H570-B560-series/
ASUS Prime Z590-A Motherboard
www.asus.com/us/motherboards-components/motherboards/all-series/prime-z590-a/
www.asus.com/us/motherboards-components/motherboards/all-series/prime-z590-a/techspec/
- Expansion Slots: 3 x PCIe 4.0/3.0 x16 (x16, x8/x4/x4)
- Supports PCIe bandwidth bifurcation for RAID on CPU function. [Only 2 PCIe NVMe Drives would be seen! Ugh! Unless Using onboard Video from CPU].
Looking through the Specs and PDF manual, that should work in either PCIe x4 Slot since You can set the Thunderbolt Root Port selector. See PDF, page 36. The expectation will be the bottom PCIe Slot. No mention of the Board Diagram Layout. Curious.
BTW: The PCIe primary Slot will become x8 when using either or both of the other 2 Slots according to Tech Specs. Bummer! To reiterate, only 16 Lanes allocated for 3 PCIe Slots. What's up with that? All this, so We can get Thunderbolt 4! Hmm...
That's a 10 Core vs 16 Core Build. For the Adobe AE MFR Rendering Formula, lacking in CPU Horsepower and PCIe Resources. Hence a 2 year life span Computer. Thoughts?
Hi Franz,
Yes, confusing! Good point! To simplify. According to ASUS, that 3rd Slot is through the Chipset. According to Gigabyte, Z590 / B560 series (Support by PCH PCIe x4 slot only). To reiterate, Thunderbolt 4 is on that 3rd Slot through the Chipset. Took a while to extrapolate that. Sorry for delay in clarity. Hope that helps!
Now on AMD appears ASUS has Thunderbolt 4 which is also through the Chipset based on PCIe Resource allocation on ASUS ProArt B550 Creator Motherboard. On that Motherboard, Thunderbolt 4 Chipset Controller is built-in! No Add in card on that Motherboard! For Thunderbolt Video, Still requires a cable to get out of Video card and into Thunderbolt card. And the only way to get Thunderbolt 4 Support right now is on that Motherboard from ASUS! Interesting!
1.) www.asus.com/us/Motherboards-Components/Motherboards/All-series/PRIME-Z590-A/
2.) www.asus.com/us/Motherboards-Components/Motherboards/Accessories/ThunderboltEX-4/
3.) www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GC-MAPLE-RIDGE-rev-10#kf
4.) www.asus.com/us/Motherboards-Components/Motherboards/ProArt/ProArt-B550-CREATOR/
I have the MSI x670p AMD i thought it came with thunderbolt support. Now I bought Asus thunderbolt expansion card (ThunderboltEX4). My motherboard doesn't seem to have a TB header so I'm guessing it's not supported?
Hi Hector Reyes,
Welcome! Correct. What You DO have is a good Motherboard though but to reiterate just no Thunderbolt 4 / USB4 Support. You have USB-C 20Gbps 2x2 Support. The confusion is with MSI calling that a Lighting Port. Obfuscation on their part. We like the facts! Not the Hype! Besides Thunderbolt 4 implementation has turned out to be proprietary instead of generic. Another way to know this is the Motherboard Thunderbolt 4 Header is Vendor specific. And the Bios Settings from Thunderbolt 3 to Thunderbolt 4 are also very Different from what We've seen. Hope that helps! What direction are You going now? If Thunderbolt is a Priority and You have the ASUS Thunderbolt 4 AIC, suggest ASUS Motherboard! Can You RMA the MSI Motherboard. Explain Your dilemma. Keep Us Posted on Your Progress! Thoughts?
@@BuildOrBuy Hi, thanks for the response. I bought the mobo back in OCT 2022 from Microcenter. So unfortunately I cannot return the Mobo. Like you said I fell for the marketing. When I bought it, the x670 mobos had just come out, so my local Microcenter only had 1 more left. I rushed the purpose and when I went to the MSI site to see if it had the specs I wanted I thought it had thunderbolt, I guess I confused thunderbolt capabilities with the term Lighting Port and the term MSI uses on their site "support for USB Front type C for the latest USB devices". When I went to pick it up at Microcenter I even asked the guy at pickup if this MOBO had PCIE 5.0 and if I can install a Thunderbolt expansion card since I wanted to future-proof the mobo. He said all I need is an extra PCIE lane. He said yes to both. Lo and behold it had neither. Months later I tried to connect it to a TS3 and found out the hard way that it was not compatible. lol, Honestly it's my fault for rushing the purpose and not taking my time to read the specs like I usually do, I was just too so excited to build my PC after years of waiting for there to be decent stocks on parts after covid. I will just return the TS3 and the expansion card. I wanted thunderbolt 4 because I have my pc off of my desk on a bookshelf in the other corner of my small office. Looks neat and gives me lots of desk space but the cables are an issue. So I wanted to put all my cables into a thunderbolt dock on my desk and run 1 cable to my PC. I guess my only solution is just to order extra long cables for all the PC accessories on my table and try to cable manage it. The MSI x670 Pro is great otherwise . Honestly thunderbolt is very useful even for PC builds. I got used to it cause I used a Razer Blade 15 for the last few years. Once more people start using it on PC it will become the norm on Mobos I am sure of that. Anyways, Thanks for the help hard and for clarifying my mistake, lesson learned. You have yourself a new subscriber.
Hi@@KiloIndia,
I'm honored! Appreciate Your Support! Good timing today! Another Option for Thunderbolt 3, this is hit or miss without Bios Support. On the Thunderbolt card, jump Pins 3 to 5. That will keep the card alive on Maple Ridge AIC. You'll have to verify Header Pinout. We had all of that written down. Lost that Drive. Ugh. Lost a lot of Research. I love my Subscribers!
The parts List - Cables and Jumpers:
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I have b550 asus rog strix F .64gb ddr4 ryzen 3950x 16core devil 6700xt12gb ddr6 vid card.. mobo has the 14-1 TB connector i have the asus thunderbolt 4 card . My audio interface is thunderbolt 2 or 3 . The asus card uses the type C connector so im using the cable and adapter. Do you know why i need to have the audio interface fully booted before starting my pc or it wont see the thunderbolt device? What an ordeal finding a board with that pin...wow.also the install manual for the thunderbolt card doesn't have me hooking up cpu pwr cable to it. Is that ok?
Hi Daniel Robert Herr,
Welcome! Sounds like a good, solid setup! USB-C Connector, Yes. Audio interface on and running before the Computer, Yes. Audio interface has to be running before Computer will see it. Not Plug and Play as We would like. Device Enumeration occurs. In other words, for Computer to see Audio interface, same has to be functional. We have that on another Audio interface that's not Thunderbolt. Your Audio interface is Self Powered. Therfore the Thunderbolt power tap is not required. Good. Hope that helps! Thanks for Sharing! All about the music!
I will be installing windows 10/11 from external NVMe thunderbolt 4.0 40gb/s real soon!
Hi Michael Mc Avoy,
Very interesting You should mention that! We're working on something similar as a test. We had a Subscriber ask about how fast does Windows 10 install on RAID. Same. The real question is how fast can We install Windows period! The install media using Windows Media Creation Tool as Our prerequisite, which is somewhat close to what You're talking about. However, We're starting from USB-C for proof of concept.
We just need to Film the process, explain the procedures, parameters and document results. Even more relevant now that Windows 11 is maybe October 2021 to the Public. Any of this seems esoteric unless You're there like M.2 NVMe PCIe x16 Quad AICs or Thunderbolt something! If USB-C works, next progression will be Thunderbolt! The parameters for the Windows Media Creation Tool are crucial to follow. Keep Us Posted on Your progress! This should be a blast! Stay tuned!
I have noticed that Manufacturers like ASUS, Nvidia, and Gigabyte have put out the information of new products they are bringing to the market, but acquiring them may be as long as a year, or two from now, due to the international situation with the supply chain. Whether it's GPU's, Game Consoles, or Chips for major Auto Manufacturers, availability seems to be very limited. The sad thing is that, what products are available like GPU's, only appear to be available on EBAY, or FACEBOOK at three times MSRP.... I also hear that the 5000 Series Threadrippers are to be released in August, and whether they will be available or not is still an unknown. I seen where the ASUS WRX80 MB has been out of stock.... though the Threadripper Pro CPU's have remained stocked at MSRP...
Hi Shannon, Certainly seems to be that way! Chips everywhere for everything are in short supply. Looks like Drives are getting scarce and DDR4 is going up in response to DDR5. Makes Us feel like a Bug on a windshield! Waiting may be more of a gamble than an option if the current trend continues. Food for thought!
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ATTENTION: I just noticed the ASUS ProArt B550 Creator Motherboard is available on Amazon.....
Hi@@shannonbailey8515, Yes! For a $30.00 Premium! Thanks for Heads Up!
@@BuildOrBuy GIGABYTE GC-Titan Ridge 2.0 (Titan Ridge Thunderbolt 3 PCIe Card just dropped significantly in price on amazon, and it was first released on June 16, 2020, which is a great indicator, Maple Ridge is close. And I corresponded with Gigabyte support, regarding Maple Ridge Thunderbolt 4 Card, and I quote, "According to our sales, we have them at our warehouse in Southern California and waiting to be SKU, order and ship to reseller. It should be available soon. Thank you for your interest and support in AORUS/GIGABYTE Gaming products." This makes great sense because we are about 19 days away from the 1 year anniversary of Titan Ridge being available. Excited..
What do you know?
Hi The Game,
Welcome! What can We help You with?
i Live in Algeria and im trying to find this to make my Audio interface work on my X570 Aorus Master rev 1.2 but no luck
i wonder if GC-MAPLE works in my motherboard because that's the only thing i could find at MSRP in amazon France so i can have my cousin ship it here.
Hi 3ab9arbeats,
Welcome! Good Question. Working with Thunderbolt on Your specific Motherboard, we have to start with which Thunderbolt interface card works on Your Motherboard.
Gigabyte Titan Ridge according to Gigabyte.
1. Gigabyte Titan Ridge www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GC-TITAN-RIDGE-rev-20#kf
2. Gigabyte Maple Ridge is NOT Supported on X570 Chipset.
www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GC-MAPLE-RIDGE-rev-10#kf
3. Gigabyte Titan Ridge Thunderbolt V2 interface card
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can i put this in my windows 10 desktop? and get usb c video transfer feed? i just bought a usb c monitor for the 1 cable use. it said it can be powered by usb c and get video feed throught that same cable and my usb c cable on my desktop just powered it no signal. would this be a solution fix? My motherboard is MSI Meg ace x570 amd4
Hi TvSaiyan Shinobi,
Welcome! Short answer, don't think so. Bummer right. Longer answer below. But We can make it work!
In essence, Your Motherboard has USB-C. You're trying to do DisplayPort over USB-C. Your Motherboard does not support Thunderbolt 3 for Bios Support of Thunderbolt. According to the DisplayPort DataBase, that technology only works on Laptops and smartphones that have implemented but not on MSI Desktop Motherboards.
MSI MEG X570 ACE - Nice Motherboard! Good Chipset!
www.msi.com/Motherboard/MEG-X570-ACE
www.displayport.org/displayport-over-usb-c/
We can check the DisplayPort over USB-C DataBase to verify either Computer or Monitor. Do You have a Laptop?
www.displayport.org/products-database/
What Monitor? We'll check! To reiterate, Your Monitor may be capable but Your Motherboard is not. Hope that helps! Thanks for Asking!
Here's how to make it work! Install this:
SUNIX IT USB 3.1 Dual Port USB-C PCI Express (w/Alternate-Mode) (UPD2018)
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Keep Us Posted on Your Progress! Success!
@@BuildOrBuy wow I appreciate you responding and giving me the exact info I needed and couldn’t find. The monitor I purchased was this WIMAXIT Portable Touch Monitor, 14 Inch 98% sRGB ... www.amazon.com/dp/B096LFHF9H/ref=cm_sw_r_sms_api_glt_fabc_9AM6CWHHFTEBG54Q9RW4?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1. So if I purchase that card you posted I can get up to 3 of these working if so your amazing lol ima purchase it after the response if so lol.
Hi@@InSaiyan-Shinobi,
Just now seeing Your message. RUclips had held for Review since a link was included. All good! Yes, that should work! We will not know for certain until You try. To reiterate, according to the Specs and Technology, You should be in business! Glad to help! Keep Us Posted on Your progress!
BTW: Only 1 USB-C Port, in the middle, for Video on this add in card! Notice Port Labels. Only requires a single PCIe Slot. According to Specs: 1. Has Hot-swapping feature and 2. Compliant with VESA DisplayPort Alternate Mode for USB Type-C Standard Rev1.0. Use a PCIe 3.0 Slot for 4k output. And... This card may require a firmware update to work with AMD. Hope that helps!
Now, if You decide to try a Thunderbolt 3 AIC, get the Gigabyte Titan Ridge Thunderbolt 3 AIC. Requires a 4 PCIe Lane Slot. Don't expect Hot Swap to work. And no Bios support to allocate Memory to Devices. Use a Slot to the Chipset instead of direct to the CPU.
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24:28 every time I think about time travel. XD
Hi Mixtel, I hear that! Déjà vu! All over again! Stay tuned!
Raid 1. Can I use a m.2 500gb and a ssd 500gb? What would be the negative impact? Read speed limited to slower ssd?
Similar to RAM, you'll be throttled to the slowest speed, was it drive or interface (i.e SATA vs PCIe NVMe)
@@mohsh86 got it. Thanks. Gonna read 1 with 2 m.2 then or raid 1 on 2 pci e card packed with m.2s ..... but I heard those 4 pci e slots have different bandwidth. Some are faster than others
Hi@@jollygreen4662, Welcome! mosh86 is correct about slowest common denominator. However...
You cannot RAID disparate technologies. Example: PCIe M.2 NVMe and SSD. You can RAID 2 or more of same but not different technologies. And You can have an M.2 NVMe RAID and a SATA RAID, if You have the Resources.
As for PCIe Slots, depends upon PCIe Resource configuration. To CPU or through Chipset. Instead of speaking in concepts, give Us Your Motherboard Spec, and we'll speak to specifics on said Motherboard and how that Resource is addressed. Chipsets Rule! Hope that helps!
Hi@@mohsh86, Welcome! Thanks for helping Jolly Green!
We cannot RAID disparate technologies. Example: PCIe M.2 NVMe and SSD. We can RAID 2 or more of same but not different technologies. And We can have an M.2 NVMe RAID and a SATA RAID, if We have the Resources.
@@BuildOrBuy thank u. That clears up my misunderstanding
Your show and info are great but you GOTS 2 HAVE a key light on your face, The lighting is so flat and it makes the show look so dismal. All else is trivial because you mic is okay enough. Just a boxed grid/snoot LED / $49.= spot. You Can Do It. You Can Do It. Thanks in advance.
Hi Joseph Böhme,
Thank You for Your Comments! Priorities. As a reminder, this Video is about Intel Thunderbolt 4 vs Thunderbolt 3. Your observations We cover Behind the Scene. Filming in Studio, I use Shure GLXD Mics from Our Live Audience Shows which We no longer are doing. The Mic array of 4 Mics gives me plenty of latitude even now. The Compressor Limiter was removed from the Rackmount Mixer to install a Splitter to allow for attendees who had hearing impaired devices. We could plug them into Our system so they could hear everything. That device needs swapping out. Not a priority. I move around a lot so no lapel mic. Running the Blackmagic ATEM Video Switch keeps me busy and inconstant motion. This is a concert. My Cohost used the lapel mic. Same for Overhead Mic. I move around too much. For remote Filming without the ATEM Video Switch, We use Sennheiser to Camera. This setup in Studio is flat looking because We have no room to Film from a corner. And since We use 4 to 6 Cameras to Film, lighting becomes more of a challenge rather than using 1 Camera for 3 or 4 point lighting. Duly noted. I could go on an on. We're contemplating going 4k. Right now, everything is 1080 / 59.94. Appreciate Your constructive observations. BTW: We have more lights to install sitting in a box for an unboxing Video. If We had the ceiling height, that would be the preferred way to light. We're using LED Panels instead of LED Spots with Softboxes. Different topics. Different Videos. One Channel at a time!
Can you repeat this in English. :) J/K!
Hi JayzBeerz,
Welcome! Glad You've asked! Thunderbolt 3 was easy. Everyone is now using a different Thunderbolt Pinout Header on Thunderbolt 4. Big hassle! Going forward, to enable Thunderbolt 4 is going to be Brand specific due to that annoying feature to enable Bios support. Bios support is required for full Device support to allocate Memory for Thunderbolt Device Connectivity. Hope that clarification helps! Thanks for Watching!
Can you use universal audio audio interfaces with these expansion cards ?
Hi HTA,
Welcome! We still have a Video to do showing a Universal Audio interface on Thunderbolt 3. Same should work on Thunderbolt 4. Vendors have made Thunderbolt 4 implementation Vendor specific and therefore harder than it should be.
We're currently working through M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drive Heatsinks and Dual / Quad Adapters. Hope this helps! Thanks for Asking! Stay tuned!
@@BuildOrBuy yes it does thank you!! can you link me the video or are you in the process of making it?
@@BuildOrBuy the audio interface I have has thunderbolt 2, so I would need to buy an adapter regardless of what pcie card I get if I get one, the mother board im getting is a b550e which has a "audio usb-c" connection, it doesnt say anywhere if its a thunderbolt 3 connection or not, can you help? the interface I have is an apollo twin
Hi@@hta1803, Which Motherboard? Be happy to check the Specs and verify. A Thunderbolt Audio interface requires Thunderbolt. Just having USB-C is not enough. Yes, You'll need an Adapter to ho from Thunderbolt 2 to Thunderbolt 3 or 4. Hope that helps!
Hi@@hta1803, Be happy to! As a Subscriber, You'll receive a notice. Not Filming that yet. You would not believe how long that's been in the works! Subscribers Questions get pretty involved when they require a Video response! And can take Us in directions requiring time to Plan, Film, Edit and Post! Thanks for Asking! Stay Tuned!