I have just done a z690 maximus hero build, with a 12700k and can confirm using a 3070ti in top 16x slot as usual and nvme drive in m2_1 and a second nvme in m2_3 ( not using m2_2 slot as its 3.0 slot ony) im getting 4x on both m2 nvme drives and 16x 4.0 on graphics card without using the hyper card, checked with cpu-z and stress tested all working as it should, make sure to do a bios update first!! and change nvme bios settings to 4.0 instead of auto,, works for me as intended
thanks for the info as I'm building something similar but with i9 12900k. You booting from m2_1? Just to confirm - you left out the accessory card, yes?
@@EH21UTB yes booting os from m2_1 slot and yes never used hyper m2 card i left that in mobo box not needed as buildorbuy said if you install it graphics card will run at 8x not 16x so not needed as i said bench tested and all is good gpu running at 16x hope this helps
Wow, great video. I was reading the manual for my z690 Hero and was a tad confused. But you have really explained this well that it now makes a bit mire sense now. Thank you.
Hi corey russell, Welcome! Excellent! Those Details matter as You well know! Glad We could help! A Video response on that Subject reaches more Viewers than a Comment! And can be more succinct! Appreciate Your Comments! Thanks for Watching! Success on Your Build!
Thank you for helping me better understand the bifurcation and NVME wonkiness. I was stumped as to why I couldn't get the 2nd NVME drive to show up. I was about to send it back, but then I stumbled upon your video! Thank you for saving me!!
Hi Flyboy3245 Welcome! Glad You found Us! Bifurcation is an amazing capability that trickled down from the Server environment to the Desktop. Most notably on the HEDT and Workstation Platforms about 3 or 4 years ago. And this is all about PCIe Resources! Our Goal is to keep it simple and male it work! Appreciate Your Comments! Thanks for Watching!
Holy Mackeral.... I feel like an amateur now. Just when I thought these motherboards we for me, I now have to go back try to understand what all that means for my build.
Does the built-in thunderbolt 4 on this board pass through the signal from a discrete GPU? I don't see any port to redirect the video from the GPU like on the ThunderboltEX 4 card. I'm looking to run my PC in another room and just connect via a thunderbolt dock and a long thunderbolt cable, but I also want to be able to still use my RTX3090.
Hi jsharrad, Welcome! Great Question! In PDF Manual, page 69, see: Rear I/O Connection. Weird. I distinctly remembered there was but now there is not. Most curious. No way to ingest Video from a GPU. Impossible. But clearly no Connector. Also looked at Amazon, B&H and NewEgg. All indicate the same. No DisplayPort or Mini DisplayPort. Nothing, nada, zip, zilch! All I can see is a power cable to 6-Pin PCIe Graphics card connector (PD_12V_PWR) to support 60 watt on page 11 and 25. Very odd. Some Motherboards refer to that as the PEG Connector. I digress. Unbelievable! Glad You asked! This is a real bummer on an otherwise incredible Motherboard! An odd Design. Thanks for Asking!
Hi Bophadez72, Welcome! Thank You for Your Comments! From Our Testing for PCIe 4.0, a Riser cable is going to be a problem even if the Riser cable claims to be PCIe 4.0. What happen? BSODs. Your Results may vary. Keep Us Posted! Especially on what PCIe 4.0 Riser cable You use! We tried two different Brands. SOL!
I upgraded from Z97 to this board so I am happy but this is enlightening. I will end up using the card in the bottom slot as I don't need that fast speed yet (I also won't be able to afford those at launch) but the extra storage that way will be neat.
Hi Aisback, Welcome! Yes, You were ready for an Upgrade. Chipset from 2014. Lots of changes since then! Let's hope this one will last as longer or longer! Success on Your Build! Glad We could help! Thanks for Watching! Keep Us Posted on Your Progress!
Excellent video. Thank you.. Are there any CPU/motherboards that are capable of running two or more PCIe 5.0 x16 SSD and graphics card with their own dedicated 16 channels plus a few extra for other hardware?
Hi Newhouse Bruce, Welcome! Excellent Question! Intel Alder Lake-X HEDT maybe. And... Maybe a W790 Chipset. All speculation and up for conjecture. Possibly in Fall of 2022 at the earliest. This Fall is going to be very busy if everything talked about now, comes to fruition then! Thanks for Asking! Stay Tuned!
great video, thank you so much! this mbo's are pain in the ass to configure :) I have one question if you will be so kind to answer, I have Maximus Z790 Hero, if I put HYPER M.2 X16 GEN 4 CARD with 4 x gen4 SSD's in raid0 into pcix16_g4 slot, will I have full speed, 256 Gbps?
Hello Miro Miro, Welcome! Just now seeing Your message! Excellent Question! Appreciate Your Comments! Apparently the Z790 Chipset does not allow full bandwidth on 4 M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drives. Full bandwidth on only 3 Drives. We have another Subscriber who has Tested to Verify that capability! Crazy weird, right. A neutered Chipset!
Since PCIe 5.0 GPUs and SSDs don't exist yet, if you *can* cleanly bifurcate one PCIe 5.0x16 slot into two PCIe5.0x8 slots, it's like having a consumer motherboard with two cpu-connected PCIe 4.0x16 slots, and then that additional cpu PCIe 4.0x4 slot. Not bad for a consumer motherboard and a step up from X570.
Hi Jonathan F, Welcome! Agreed! Sounds good on paper! We're wondering if We really get 2 PCIe 5.0 x8 Slots. OK, great! However, only 1 PCIe 5.0 M.2 NVMe SSD Drive connection! And PCIe is all about the M.2, not the GPU. And what would We use in that other Slot, if NOT the M.2, besides another GPU if the GPU is only 2 Slots wide based on the Spacing? Appreciate Your Comments!
I watched a lot of people on this platform talking about building a PC for hours. In one 30mns video of yours one can get more info than 100 videos made by these people.
What a Great video, lots of usfull info 😀. I have a I9-9900K on a ROG Strix z390 E Gaming. I will be installing my first NMVE drive on the 1st M.2 slot (Above the GPU), to run my OS, could you advise me what I need to do on the BIOS so I can extrat the full power of a NMVE drive? Thanks
Hi Filipe, Welcome! Thank You for Your Comments! Once Your M.2 NVMe is installed, You are ready to go! Suggest unplugging any SATA Drives while You install the O/S. Suggest a clean install. Create Your USB install Media from Windows Media Creation Tool! Note: For USB Installation Media Success use 16GB Drive or less in capacity. Your Bios will see the M.2 Device as a Bootable Device. Nothing in Bios to Configure. Only look in Bios to Know Device is present and functional. To reiterate, You are good to go! Windows will automatically Set TRIM on Your new NVMe! Suggest installing Your NVMe Drive Control Panel to verify Firmware after Windows is up and Drivers are installed! Windows 10 www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10ISO Windows 11 www.microsoft.com/software-download/windows11 Enjoy! Success! Keep Us Posted on Your Progress!
Could only comprehend half of what he explains 😂😂😂😂 but awesome video!! My question is that if you put that hyperm.2 card, doesn’t it blocks gpu fans???
Hi krnzzang84, Welcome. PCIe Resources are a big deal. Depends. How wide is your GPU? How does your GPU exhaust heat? Side or rear. Changing one thing changes everything. Consumer GPU vs Workstation GPU. The Hyper M.2 card is 1 Slot wide. Good question. Everything matters. Priorities.
Hi Richard Morenberg, Welcome! Great Question! Yes! To reiterate, M.2_1 is PCIe 4.0, 4 Lanes and Your GPU will be using all 16 PCIe Lanes as long as the 2nd X16 Slot is NOT used! Success on Your Build! Appreciate Your Comments!
Hi@@rmorenberg, Adding or changing 1 thing can change everything when navigating through PCIe Lane allocations! Helps to know the complete picture from the start! Got it! For 2nd M.2 NVMe PCIe Drive, use M.2_3 through Chipset which is PCIe 4.0! Hope that helps!
Many years ago ( 1990) I was using and Audiomedia card on an Apple Nubus slot Mac II FX for my project. It did work ( theoretically) but I found dedicated instrumentation would have worked much better. The HP Dynamic Signal Analyzer + several additional modules + computer was out of my pocket range. I required a minimum FFT ( Fast Fourier Transform) and phase analyzer. Latency is not a good word.
Hi Frank E Lima, Welcome! Honored You asked! We took one look at one ASUS Motherboard Overview for Slots and Storage of PCIe Resource allocations with Z790 Chipset. We found out all We needed to Share on that Chipset for now. Intel really neutered that Chipset from Our Perspective. I'm just the messenger! The W790 looks more promising but it too is lacking in some respects. W790 was announced maybe 3 days ago. ASUS has a great Motherboard based on that Chipset. Link below. More PCIe Resources. Supports PCIe 5.0 on Slots and DDR5 ECC RAM. However, on Storage, NO M.2 NVMe PCIe 5.0! All PCIe 4.0 or 3.0. Tough situation of choices and decisions. Just rearranging PCIe Resources. Appreciate Your Comments! Something else We can help You with? ASUS Pro WS W790-ACE Motherboard www.asus.com/motherboards-components/motherboards/workstation/pro-ws-w790-ace/
I'm currently building my first PC (in the middle of ordering each part), so I am pretty new to the scenery, and I apologize if my question is not formulated correctly. Would the ideal population for the m.2 NVME SSDs be in m.2_1 and m.2_3? If so, what PCIe gen speeds would I be capable of reaching? If not, what would be the optimal population for the m.2 NVME SSDs without using the expansion drive? Thanks for the informative video!
Hi Jasper M., Welcome! Appreciate Your Comments! Short Answer, Yes! To CPU: + 1. M.2_1 - PCIe 4.0 2. M.2_1 - via ROG Hyper card = PCIe 5.0 Through Chipset: 3. M.2_2 - PCIe 3.0 + 4. M.2_3 - PCIe 4.0 SATA 3 SSD = 600MBps 1. PCIe 3.0 - 3,500MBps 2. PCIe 4.0, 1st Generation - 5,000MBps 3. PCIe 4.0, 2nd Generation - 7,000MBps 4. PCIe 4.0, 3rd Generation with E18 Controller and Micron Flash - Over 7,000MBps on the read and almost 7,000MBps on the Write. [Seagate FireCuda 530, etc.] 5. PCIe 5.0 - 14,000MBps to 15,000MBps Note: To the CPU is Faster then Through the Chipset. Test and Verify! See Disclaimers and exceptions in PDF on Page 8 about PCIe 5.0 on ROG Hyper M.2 Card. A convoluted mess! Hope that helps! Success on Your Build!
Most of what you say just blows right over my head... What if I need to upgrade my system? I've been on a build with core i5 2500k sandy bridge for about 10 years. Very modest build, but a decent mule for photo editing and simple cad work. IF you had to choose a z690 for a build with a budget of 2.5 to 3k... Would love to know your choice. Btw, sometimes it feels like I'm sitting in a lecture
Hi Tigger Guns, Welcome! Bummer! This is all about PCIe Resource allocations! On the Z690 Chipset, there are not enough PCIe Resources. Only 20 PCIe 4.0 Lanes. Lots has changed in 10 years! Even IF You Built on the Z690, this would only be a 16 Core CPU. We have another Video where We have compared 3 - 16 Core CPUs that may help. 16 Core CPU Comparison - Intel vs AMD - i9-12900K, 5950X and 3955WX ruclips.net/video/y6KNTHS6j6Q/видео.html What Photo Editing and CAD software are You using?
So I have 2 Gen 4 ssds one is in slot one on the board what's the best option for the second that way I'm not decreasing pcie lanes? Put the second Gen4 m. 2 on slot 3 threw the chipset or use the hyper storage card on the bottom pcie slot? Agai. Only trying to get 7mbps r/r DC right now about gen5 obviously
Hi toneAD3, Welcome! M.2_1, Yes to CPU. 2nd M.2 definitely through Chipset on M.2_3 for PCIe 4.0 support. A crazy Configuration, right! Thanks for Asking! Hope that helps!
Fantastic that you are covering these MB's! Just found out that the Phantek Enthoo Pro II Case has availability for two power supplies. Why this is important is now I can run two high wattage (450W ea.) gaming cards and have each one be powered by a different power supply allowing to then use 2 cheaper UPS's 900W for security and also not replace my existing 1000W PS (and put my 43" acer 4k monitor on the second UPS - fantastic!). Plus that case allows room for the 3 fan rad AIO 3090TI's which can now fit on my x299 MB due to the fact they (due to being hybrids) are back to two slot wide. Only one thing is, is it better to wait for the 4090ti (New Titan) to come out with the 48Gb Vram? choices, choices .. ha ha ha! Those 44 lanes (i9-7980xe) on the x299 are going to finally come in handy (oh did I mention they are running quad memory)!
Hi Claus Bohm, As the Questions arise about adding Storage, that needs to be addressed according to CPU PCIe Resources. And now Upgrading, You have need of those PCIe Lanes! X299 - 4 Channel Memory on HEDT or WRX80 - 8 Channel Memory on Workstation! Upgrading Your RAM, Good idea from 32GBs to 64GBs! RTX 4090, We need to see Slot Width. VRAM size, Yes! Power Requirements, no! The RTX A Pro series may still be more desirable for Rendering. Sounds like You now have a Case to match Your needs! Keep Us Posted on that! BTW: That's a Dual System Case. That's a lot of Case for the money! But no 5.25 inch Front Drive Bays! No Hot Swap / Hot Plug!
@@BuildOrBuy Yeh I don't need hot swap front bays. In fact i want to go all M.2/SSD's internally. So you think A series is better? I am starting to be inclined to that but I read the heat issues on A4000 is an issue and no data on thermals for the A4500. The hybrid 3090ti's keeps them very cool for long rendering times and Blender loves geforce cuda cores. Are you interested in Blender benchmarks on my current system?
Hi@@clausbohm9807, Hot Swap / Hot Plug Removable Racks are one of Our Prerequisites for a Case. A holdover from RAID! Absolutely would Appreciate knowing Your Rendering Results! Details matter! This helps Us to make better Videos! Thanks for Sharing!
@@BuildOrBuy Yeh, A series uses less power then Geforce counterpart but limited viewport response due to the GDDR6 not GDDR6X which makes a real difference. The break in A series is between A4500 and A5000 big jump in price (currently on amazon) so I am limited to a two config a4500 price wise but the EVGA 3900 XC3 (only 2 slot wide air card available in 3900 series) in dual is like adding a third card in compare to A4500's. I just have to get the damn noise under control of the XC3 model that is the only one to fit in my AT Mid tower case, maybe undervolting the EVGA's will do the trick.
Hi Arash Nik, Welcome! Great Question! We have Tested 14 Heatsinks so far! A Heatsink for Sintech st-ngff2013c adapter. The Sintech ST-M2H Heatsink would be my first suggestion. The Samsung 970 EVO Plus is PCIe 3.0, capable of 3,500MBps so Heat is not as big of an issue as PCIe 4.0 or PCIe 5.0. Faster = Hotter! I have see a recommendation for using 3M Heat Sink Thermal Tape. Which has a very low Thermal conductivity of 0.60 W/mK value. We found a Mucos Thermal Tape, 20 mm x 25M x 0.2mm Double Side Adhesive Thermal Conductive Tape for Heatsink which has a Thermal Conductivity: 1.5 W/mK. Still not high enough. The problem is how to fasten the Heatsink to the M.2 NVMe Drive using a regular Thermal Pad. A Heatsink with a wrap around base is the most effective Solution for Compression, if You have the space. However, most Heatsinks will not fit the space. And that's back to the one by Sintech! Sintech NGFF M.2 nVME SSD Adapter Card for Upgrade 2013-2015 Year Macs(Not Fit Early 2013 MacBook Pro) amzn.to/2ZCDczm Sintech Cooling Heatsink for M.2 NGFF 2280 SM951 SM961 960PRO NVMe SSD amzn.to/3pbj2VB As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases. Hope that helps! Thanks for Asking!
Man this chipset is bizarre with its PCIE Gens and resource allocation. I have the ROG Hyper M.2 dual adapter which I have a single WD_Black 750 SE (PCIE 4) in M2._1 currently in my Mac Pro 7,1. It works fine though it ejects sometimes after waking from sleep. I have tried it in a x16 lane direct to CPU and in a x16 lane and an x8 lane slot via the PLX chip on the Mac which allocates slots 4-8 resources to what is used out of the 32 lanes to play with. Lanes 1 is 16x straight to cpu as is lane 3. The CPU has 64 lanes total with the board layout having 96 lanes electrically via its 8 slots and swaps resources as needed. It also handles the thunderbolt lanes coming off the 2 on board Maple Ridge chips and also in my case another 2 Maple Ridge Chips on my MPX Pro W5700X. (Apples fancy 5700XT with 4 thunderbolt ports). I have tried to fix the ROG Hyper card in all the slots I tried instead of auto lane resources but still drops. I’d say because my CPU isn’t bifurcating the lane. It shows up as a x4 device not x8. I’m going to try it in my PC Z590 which does support fabrication to see if it’s the WD Black itself as I got second hand and have only tried in the Mac Pro but I doubt it. So I’ll post results soon. Just to be clear I only did this because I had parts to try. My main drives in Mac are the built in 4TB Raid 0 volume and a WD_Black 1500 PCIEx8 drive which flies by the way. Beats Apples raid 0 drives hands down. I also tried the WD_Black 1500 in a x4 slot on my Z590 and was getting about 3400Mbs R/W as a posed to the ratted 6000R/4000W in x8 slot. In a PCIe gen 2 x4 slot it was getting around 1700Mbs R/W. That’s amazing as it was a machine running on the X58 chipset which when it was my main machine had 2x WD Velociraptors in RAID 0 to get me 400Mbs. If anyone is still rocking an older system especially ruining SATA HDD try this baby out to get that machine feeling like a current PC. lol. Love your vids Gill, I also just love looking at how all these Motherboards implement their own ways using the same chipsets.
Hi Adam, Welcome! Fascinating! Thanks for Sharing. Agreed, looks like Bifurcation is the issue on the MAC. The other direction would be a self Bifurcated card and those are pricey due to the Broadcom PLX Chip for PCIe Lane Switching. Yes, all of these Chipsets and all of these Motherboards are different in their PCIe Resource allocations. When a Viewer asks, We have to look. No two are the same. Manufacturers should get more creative and practical in their approach to either Sharing or Hardwiring PCIe Lanes. Especially when those are severely limited. Like having Thunderbolt and 10GbE! Crazy, right! Hence HEDT or Workstation! Appreciate Your Comments! I'm honored!
What bout the confusion with the extra 6pin cable next to the 24 pin connector on the board, it says to get 60 watt on pcie u also need that 6 pin plugged to the psu but no one is plugging it in y? Thank u if u could answer I'm trying to finish my build now what slot on psu do I plug that into a 6pin or a 8x6+2 and only use the 6?
Hi toneAD3, Welcome! Power Taps... Look at Motherboard PDF Manual, page 16 - Motherboard Layout. 1. 1 x 24 Pin Power Tap - Required. 2. 2 x 8 Pin (+12V) (ATX_12V_1) Single or Dual (ATX_12V_2) Notice: (ATX_12V_1) Single LED on immediate left. 3. 6 Pin - PD_12V_PWR = Additional Power to PCIe Slots aka PEG Connector which is PCIexpress Graphics Connector. Or else only 27 watts will be supported according to ASUS. What GPU are You using? If using an RTX 3090, You'll need it. Anything below that, probably not. What would happen? System might not Boot. Crazy, right. Hope this helps! Thanks for Asking! Success on Your Build!
I have a 12 gb 3080 that only needs 2 6+2s but I keep reading that the 6pin also just gives the front io USB type c a 60 watt charger capability seeing its right next to the USB type c header on the board, my manual just says plug it in its so blan the whole manual is just basic I keep second guessing myself lol
Hi@@tonead3748, Are You making progress getting everything assembled? Success on Your Build! You should not require the PEG Connector for an RTX 3080. Great GPU!
Hey Gill! Great video, everything was explained to me so clearly, much like my electrical engineering -electronics professor (huge compliment from me). However, as a rookie regarding optimized PC storage I had a couple of questions in regards to my ROG Maximus Z690 Apex. It contains a hyper M.2 drive dual-adapter, and an additional DIMM.2 Gen 4 slot right next to the dual channel DDR5 slots (probably through the chipset, I think?). Basically, if I already have a Gen 4 M.2 NVME SSD on the CPU slot as a boot drive (right below the socket), and a Gen 4 x16 GPU on the first slot, where would be the best place to add an additional Gen 5 or Gen 4 M.2 NVME SSD? Assuming that I’m keeping the existing Gen 4 M.2 NVME SSD as my boot drive. Basically, keeping windows and drivers on the boot drive, and games and programs on the additional storage drive. Not sure if that motherboard has a more advanced configuration/controller than this one shown, but any amount of help or information would be appreciated! Thanks again, definitely liked and subscribed. 😁 Edit: CPU is a i9-12900KF and RAM is 2 x16GB = 32GB sticks of DDR5 Corsair Dominator @ 5600Mhz, GPU is a 3080TI, and storage/boot drive is an M.2 PCIE Gen 4 NVME SSD of 2TB. Wasn’t initially planning on using more drives, but I read that having separated drives for Windows/drivers, and games & programs is better for general system performance. And of course additional storage would be better in the long run, just don’t know what exactly would be optimal for my system for adding in another drive.
Hi Jose Labastida, Welcome! I'm Honored and Appreciate Your Comments! ASUS ROG Maximus Z690 Apex rog.asus.com/motherboards/rog-maximus/rog-maximus-z690-apex-model/spec See: Motherboard PDF Manual Page 7. Specifications Summary. See: Expansion Slots and Storage. - 2 x PCIe 5.0 x16 slots (supports x16 or x8/x8 modes). When the PCIE 5.0 M.2 card is installed on the PCIEX16(G5)_2, PCIEX16(G5)_1 will run x8 only. And that's a Bummer! So using the Dual Adapter is out unless You're OK with Your GPU in a x8 Slot, electrically. Storage Supports 5 x M.2 slots. Sure. Until We read the fine print and exceptions! To CPU... - M.2_1, Good! Through the Chipset... PCIe 4.0 - M.2_2, OK. - DIMM.2_1 - DIMM.2_2 That's it! Not a lot of options! Hope that helps! Thanks for Subscribing! Working on next video, DaVinci Resolve Benchmark Results and Tech Updates before We get into another set of Build Specs for DaVinci Resolve! Stay Tuned! BTW: Now You'll have to keep up with a custom install for every application. Everything defaults to C Drive. If You get a SATA Drive, that's a good place for Downloads and Email if You use an email Client. Hope that helps!
@@BuildOrBuy Wow that is annoying, but I think you have successfully taught me the concepts behind pc storage, regardless. Thank you for the timely help, and I look forward to watching your future videos. 😁
@@BuildOrBuy I've been staring at this all morning. Would you know if using only a gen3 nvme 2tb card in the M2_1 slot would still impact the PXIEX16 to runx8 only? Or is that caution primarily only for Gen4/Gen5? Sorry after watching the full video, as long as I'm willing to settle for the gen3.0 I bought it should be fine in the M2_1 slot that seems to have the best cooling potential, along side the 3080ti card in the first slot. Answer supplied admirably in the video.
Hi@@ElenaSSF, Welcome! Crazy making sense of all that, right. Hence the reason for this Video for clarity. Same applies whether PCIe 3.0 or PCIe 4.0. Things change however with PCIe 5.0 on the ROG Hyper M.2 card IF utilized! As long as You use the 1st PCIEX16_1 Slot for GPU and M.2_1, with whatever M.2 NVMe PCIe Drive, You're good! And forget PCIEX16_2 exists! Another way to look at this... The 1st part of this equation is about CPU PCIe Lanes of which We have 24 Lanes. 4 from Chipset to CPU + 4 Lanes to M.2_1 + 16 Lanes to 1st PCIEX16_1 Slot = 24 Lanes. The 2nd part is about PCIe Chipset Lanes. Hope that helps! Anymore Questions, please Ask! This is the Problem with Shared PCIe Resources on Consumer Desktop Motherboards! To reiterate, Our Solution was to explain those Resource allocations! It's a mess! Success on Your Build!
The PCIE lanes on this board are very overwhelming as well as the ROG M.2 Hyper Card. If I wanted to get full speed on a 3090 GPU and 2 PCIE 4.0 M.2 SSDs what would be the best setup? Would I put the 3090 GPU into the first slot PCIEX16(G5)_1 and then the 2 PCIE 4.0 M.2 SSD into ROG M.2 Hyper Card into PCIEX16(G4)? Is it worth using the ROG M.2 Hyper Card, what are the benefits? Thanks!
Hi Violent Destruction, Welcome! A convoluted mess on the Z690 Chipset in general! Yes! That as You have described is the only way to get full benefits of those 2 M.2 NVMe Drives and they are through the Chipset! Crazy, right. Benefits? More JBOD Storage or a RAID 0 array for a scratch Drive if You need it or want it. IF using RAID, use the O/S RAID. Appears the Bios RAID requires the Intel Optane Memory H M.2 Drives. You'll have to tell Us if that is true or not. Another Viewer brought that to Our attention. One was using Linux and could not verify. Hope that helps! Keep Us Posted on Your Project!
@@BuildOrBuy If I did the above with (2) 2TB Samsung 980's in the hyper m.2 card how would I load windows? I could never get the drives to show when installing windows.
HI@@lotro__9557, OK! RAID is easy. We have several Videos outlining those Procedures for RAID. Here's one - Windows Bootable NVMe RAID 0 Tutorial on Gigabyte TRX40 Designare using Sabrent Rocket NVMe 4.0 - ruclips.net/video/U-KBgEXrWLA/видео.html That Video has the detailed steps in the Description for a new clean Installation of RAID. The Step where You get hung up has me concerned about the prior requirements to step through for a successful RAID array installation. Hope that helps! Keep Us Posted on Your Progress!
I also meant to emphasis I would very likely upgrade the RAM, and GPU.... It depends on the RAM available... If I am not mistaken with the ASUS Pro Art Creator Z690 Chipset, the GDDR5 Memory available from Kingston may only currently allow for up to 64GB of RAM for that Motherboard... in the future that is likely to change, but who knows with the chip shortage issues
Hi Shannon Bailey, That's what We're seeing as well, on DDR5 only 16GB Sticks of RAM. And definitely Kingston on a new Platform! Yes, this Chip shortage is really messing things up! Thanks for sharing! Kingston FURY Beast DDR5 Memory - 16GB, 32GB-4800MHz, 5200MHz - Kingston Technology www.kingston.com/unitedstates/us/memory/gaming/kingston-fury-beast-ddr5-memory With Kingston only showing 16GB sticks of DDR5, that too makes me take pause. No indication or Listing of 32GB sticks of RAM. Very interesting. I still say hold off on that!
Hi, Thank you for the video, it was very informative. I wanted to confirm a few things, If I wanted to get the full x16 on PCI-e slot 1, I would have to use the Dual Adapter with the M.2's in PCI-e slot 3? I currently have a 3090 GPU in slot 1, with 2 2TB M.2's in m.2 slot 1 and 3. I using the Asus z690 Hero MB and am having no end of issues. The GPU is an EVGA 3090 FTW3 ultra. Sometimes it sees the GPU, other times it just refuses and I have to revert to the onboard graphics. As of today, I've had the GPU issue and windows not wanting to see the m.2 drives. The ideal place I'd like to be at is, GPU running the full x16, 2 m.2 drives available (1 for OS and the 2nd as a scratch / temp data store) with 2 x 12tb HDDs setup as RAID 1 (sort of like an internal NAS which will replicate to an External standalone NAS). I've literally just built this machine and don't want to move forward with it until I know I've got everything in the right place. I must add that I'm also using a custom Water loop which I believe I will have to drain to move the GPU around if required etc. Thanks for your help in advance :)
Hi Harvi Singh, Welcome! Thank You! Appreciate Your Comments! Sorry for Your hassle! A real bummer! We'll need to systematically go through everything. This could be anything. ASUS RoG Maximus Z690 Hero rog.asus.com/motherboards/rog-maximus/rog-maximus-z690-hero-model/spec EVGA 3090 FTW3 ultra www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=24G-P5-3987-KR Requires: 2 - 8 Pin Power Taps; 750 Watt or greater power supply. 1. Yes, through the Chipset. The CPU only has 20 PCIe Lanes. 16 Lanes for the GPU and 4 Lanes for the 1st M.2 NVMe Drive. 2. Really nice GPU! Congrats! Could be an issue with Shared PCIe Resources. 3. What PSU are You using - Brand, Model and Capacity? 4. Motherboard new or used? This matters very much! 5. Try having only the GPU and Primary M.2 NVMe Drive connected and see if that works. 6. Connect Monitor to GPU using only HDMI. Is the Monitor new? What about the HDMI Cable? 7. Bios: Graphics Configuration - Do You have this set to Auto? Change to PEG. Keep Us Posted on Your progress! Hope this helps!
Hi Hosaka Blood, Welcome! The Z690 Chipset does not deliver enough on the promise of PCIe 5.0 for an M.2 NVMe PCIe 5.0 Drive. Thanks for Sharing! Appreciate Your Comments!
have you ever built a computer for music production/client asked me to build him one /i build gaming computers and figure it couldn't be that much different
Hi stkrrauch, Great Question! Yes! This is a Work Computer and NOT a Gaming Computer! Been chasing that perfect DAW computer ever since Midi was made possible on the ISA Bus! Still have one of those Midi I/O cards too! Now,, We're all about Content Creation and Work Computers. They share many attributes. For the Hardware side, get a List of what Applications he's going to be using. Check those Specs. Most are meager in their Description. Individual Virtual Instrument Libraries have the most complete Specs. Better than the Host applications. Audio is Single Threaded. So He'll need Fast CPU Cores and lots of RAM! The GPU is not as important for Audio. The real question becomes TRX40 or WRX80. On the Software side, preferably no WiFi. That's just something else You'll have to disable due to DPC Latency. Remember, Windows is NOT a real time O/S! We need to do a Video just on DPC Latency. Do they want a Case or Rackmount? If Rackmount then Form factor needs to be ATX. Also make sure they have Thunderbolt 3. Working on a Video that may shed some light light on this more succinctly. Stay Tuned!
Wow good talk. I have been looking at the MSI MEG Z690 unity which has 5 nvme drives. One CPU, three pcie4 and one pcie3. No option for pcie 5 nvme. Not planning raid, just thought I would comment. Thanks!
Hi Aldi More, Welcome! Thank You! JBOD - Very good point! There is suppose to be an MSI Meg Z690 Godlike. That is suppose to include an M.2 NVMe PCIe 5.0 Adapter. No Product announcement, only talk and articles about that product! Interesting what's happening with PCIe 5.0 and M.2 NVMe. Appreciate Your Comments! Thanks for Sharing!
Hi Jolly Green, That depends. Most Users will use maybe a 2TB or 4TB C Drive. And always maintain drive capacity below 70%. Even for Virtual Instrument Audio Libraries, that's a good size to last for maybe 2 years. Then an Upgrade later. And a Spinning Drive for Downloads, email and such. A larger capacity M.2 NVMe for a Scratch Drive or Rendered Files would be a good place for those. Rendered Audio can take a spinning HDD to a crawl. Now for the backup mirror Drive, to keep it simple yes, same size. We can Clone, Image or Backup. I prefer a straight Clone. Ready to go! We have a Video on those procedures from some time ago. Not many Views. Not enough interest. Cloning on an HP Laptop. What's You media Focus or type of Data on the Drive? Drives in RAID 0 require at least 2 Drives or more. RAID 0 is the fastest. Redundancy of Data is more about the User than the Hardware. M.2 Drives in RAID are less likely to fail than spinning Drives. Most RAID Drives now are about Performance. Such as an Internal RAID vs and External RAID. A good reason for both Thunderbolt and LAN Device connectivity! However We always say, anything in RAID should exist in 3 places. A rare event can happen. Having a Clone helps. And keeping Your Computer on a good UPS is important too! Hope that helps!
If you say you wouldn't build on a Z690 chipset, you're basically saying don't get an Intel 12th Gen CPU then, right? Because another strong reason to build on the Z690 chipset is to get the new Alder Lake CPU. Also, what do you think of getting the Z690 DDR4 MoBo's, since PCIe5 and DDR5 is so unreasonable right now? That way, you get the Alder Lake upgrade. I've seen many results where the i9-11900k is really terrible.
Hi B Man, Correct. We just do not see the value. PCIe 5.0 does not deliver well on the Z690 Chipset. We're working on another Video from the aspect of a 16 Core CPU that be more helpful based on PCIe Lanes, if that matters to You. My question to You, what are Your Plans for this new Build? And what are Your Requirements? That may change everything. We're going to Compare 3 - 16 Core CPUs. Stay tuned!
@@BuildOrBuy My requirements would be something like, primarily 4K video editing my GoPro footage, secondary gaming (whenever I can get a RTX 3080 card), and future proof it for 4-5 years. I'd like to build now, but can easily be convinced to wait for a good reason. Thanks! I enjoy your in-depth channel. I'm still picking up the jargon you use.
Hi@@bman4939, OK! Have a Video response today! Hope this helps to Answer Your Questions regarding CPU! Questions, please ask! Here to help! Stay Tuned!
Hi Jeremy Daw, Welcome! Yes. However, We need someone to confirm who has that Motherboard up and running. That could possibly be a higher value. Manuals are not always absolute. We could expect that value to go at least to 128MBs or more in this day and time. We appreciate Your Comments! Thanks for Watching! BTW: Are You thinking about Building?
@@BuildOrBuy I am building this one for a music workstation. 128MB is trivial in these times. I actually thought it would be higher. I am going to review your video again today. 2 things of interest to me is the "hyper M2" and putting in a video card as I may use it for unreal music video development. Single core peak speed is key for music development as each track has only 1 cpu on it, it cannot be done in parallel, the signal flow is serial.
Hi@@citadelo5ricks, Sorry to be so late in getting back to You. Drive Failure and Allergies. You need 2 x16 Slots, Dedicated PCIe Resources. To get that You need either a HEDT TRX40 or Workstation WRX80. Anything Chipset configuration below those will be shared PCIe Resources and will not give You what You need or want. Any Chipset / CPU with Shared PCIe Resources in limited. Hope that helps! And based on price and performance, You're now better off with a WRX80 Workstation. You can get the low CPU Core count but also have the Dedicated PCIe Resources You're going to require. The difference in Building a 2 year or 8 year Computer.
So is there any downside of running RAID 0 on the M.2_3 slot and using the two slots on the RoG Hyper M.2 x16 card? I get not using the slot linked to the CPU as that would cause performance issues mixing them.
I already got the RoG Maximus Z690 Hero MoBo, and I couldn't get my hand on DDR5 Rams. I saw the whole video and waited for you to explain about the Rams but didn't find the answer. Is it possible to install DDR4 Rams on this MoBo?
Hi Atef Alshehri, Welcome! Great Question! The point of this Video, to explain PCIe Resource allocations. Do NOT Buy any Z690 Motherboard due to that fact alone. To answer Your question, NO DDR4 support on this Motherboard. Although the CPU and Chipset support both, all Motherboards will only support one, DDR4 OR DDR5. DDR RAM Slots are not backwards compatible and never have been. Can You return this Motherboard? If so, do so! Hope that helps! Thanks for Watching!
On this board, can I run a GPU in the first slot at x16 and NVME Gen 4 in the M.2_1 slot at x4? Or will the GPU run at 8x because the first M.2 slot is being used?
Hi TheJbomber, Welcome! You have 20 PCIe Lanes to the CPU. Hopefully! You're good as Configured! Glad You're asking! These Details matter! Hope that helps! Thanks for Watching!
I have the Z690 Hero, and I have 2X1Tb Samsung 980 Pro SSD in the Hyper M.2 enclosure. I wanted to put them in raid 0 but I really struggled with it. Intel RST wouldn't even start, it kept telling that chipset wasn't supported. I also tried diskpart, but the when I tried to execute the command that joined the 2 drives, I got an error message stating that the command was supported by my version of Windows, despite me having Win11 Pro. In the end I created a stripped volume using Computer Management. When I benchmark the resulting drive I get around 13000Mbs read and around 10000Mbs write, which is fast, but you know...?
Intel cpu's raid wants Optane drives. Thanks, I didn't know you could use Com. Man. to get around that! With Sabrent drives you need 2TB or 4TB to get a write speed equal to the read speed.
Hi diecast jam, Welcome! What a hassle! Sounds like a Bios Update is in Order! Yes, fast but not PCIe 5.0 fast! I hear that! Thanks for Sharing Your experience and frustrations!
HI@@maxhughes5687, Good point. Intel Optane ON the Chipset for a Hybrid Bios RAID. Supports but does not indicate only. Interesting. The OS RAID should be independent. Just more fuel to the fire of confusion and obfuscation. Thanks for Responding! Wonder what else We have yet to uncover on the Z690! Enough already! BTW: Working on next Video - TRX40 or WRX80 to Answer another Subscribers Questions and Comments!
@@maxhughes5687 Thanks Max, I realise it was something to do with Optane, it may even have mentioned Optane in the error message, but you can use Intel RST for other things can't you, so it surprised me that it wouldn't even run.
@BuildOrBuy Hey thanks for the reply. I knew I was going to buy in to Alder Lake from when it was 1st announced. I don't need it by any means, but this is my hobby so...you know? Originally, I had only bought 1 500Gb 980 Pro for my OS, but the funny thing is I saw 1 of your videos where you were getting phenomenal speeds via raid 0. Actually I had realised you would get good speeds via 2xGen4 ssd’s, so I probably did a search and found your video. But you know what it’s like being married, these purchases need be negotiated with the other half, and as I had just spent £2500+ on all the other stuff, including a RTX 3080, so I didn’t think I would be getting another SSD for a while. But luckily, I discovered I had been given £450 worth of Amazon vouchers for a long service award in work so I was able to get the other 2 1Tb 980 Pro, and a 360 AIO to replace the 240 one I have already. TBH I saw the speeds you were getting like 16000Mbs read and 15000 write, so I was a bit disappointed my speeds were slower, but I hadn’t watched the video all the way thru, so I didn’t realise that was with 4XSSD’s, lol.
what would be the best configuration this is my new setup.. z790 hero,i9 13900k and a 4090 i want to have 2 M.2 Nvme SSD 1 for OS and other one is just for games... can u suggest me where to put this m.2 ssd. thanks
Hi Clet Cadano, Welcome! Congrats on Your Decision! Excellent Question! 1. M.2_1 to CPU, PCIe 5.0 2. M.2_2 through Chipset, PCIe 4.0 That allows Your RTX 4090 to utilize all 16 Lanes as allocated! Hope that helps! Success on Your Build! Keep Us Posted!
Hi@@cletcadano4462, Glad to help! Building a Computer is a fascinating process! Outstanding!! I'm honored! Appreciate Your Support! The more You do this, the more You'll want to Build again!
Hi M Dawson, Welcome! Right now, PCIe 5.0 is not Delivering as We expected nor as We were being told! Not enough PCIe Resources when We get down to the facts and do the math and read the fine print. Bummer, right. The only way right now would be when Intel gets situated back on a HEDT with Alder Lake X maybe. And... In 2 years, PCIe 6.0! And We do this all over again!
its like intel goes out of their way to make things complicated for the user /its done intentionally to try and hide the flaws of the z690 chipset/i wont buy the z 690 any way i am waiting for the next amd chipset but i still love watching and learning about all this
X570 and Z690 just don't have enough cpu lanes or enough ram channels. Gill is the only guy on utube that makes that clear. A 4094 pin socket on TRX40 gives you twice the connectivity on their PCIe sockets and ram throughput. WRX80 gives you four times their PCIe sockets and ram throughput.
Hi@@maxhughes5687, Appreciate Your Comments! Thanks for responding! Like a square peg in a round hole. Wonder how long it will take other Users to figure this out. Hope they do so before they purchase instead of after the fact! The Z690 is just so wrong in so many ways. PCIe 5.0 sounds exciting but the current implementation is a mess! Looks like Marketing was running rampant over Engineering on this one! We have Our work cut out for Us!
Please dont laugh... The more and more I watch the series, the more and more "will power" I got to sell 1 kidney OR sign some kind of slavery contract, then build the top-class next-gen Threadripper system and be DONE with it. How vast, tremendous are all these information, knowledge and detail... Meanwhile those who need these kind of machines for their jobs have suffered enough brain damage already.
Rumor control: No ZEN3 TR for the TRX40 board. Maybe a ZEN3 TR PRO for the WRX80 board. AMD is selling all the ZEN3 EPYC cpus they can make. We may get a ZEN3 TR PRO that use all the left over 8 core CCD's when EPYC goes to ZEN4.
Hi Max Hughes, Now that's exciting and worth waiting for! WRX80 Threadripper Pro is looking more like a reality. Agreed! Good reason to go ahead and get the Motherboard even before the GPU or CPU! Thanks for Sharing!
Hi Ngọc Kim Quang Hồ, Welcome! Well stated! Z690 and PCIe 5.0 implementation is a conundrum! You're using Blender. You need a Threadripper Pro! Start choosing a Motherboard!
Your the man.Thx. keep up the good work .
Hi james wubbolt,
Welcome! Thank You! Appreciate Your Comments and Support!
I have just done a z690 maximus hero build, with a 12700k and can confirm using a 3070ti in top 16x slot as usual and nvme drive in m2_1 and a second nvme in m2_3 ( not using m2_2 slot as its 3.0 slot ony) im getting 4x on both m2 nvme drives and 16x 4.0 on graphics card without using the hyper card, checked with cpu-z and stress tested all working as it should, make sure to do a bios update first!! and change nvme bios settings to 4.0 instead of auto,, works for me as intended
Hi Speedy65,
Welcome! Great! Thanks for Sharing!
thanks for the info as I'm building something similar but with i9 12900k. You booting from m2_1? Just to confirm - you left out the accessory card, yes?
@@EH21UTB yes booting os from m2_1 slot and yes never used hyper m2 card i left that in mobo box not needed as buildorbuy said if you install it graphics card will run at 8x not 16x so not needed as i said bench tested and all is good gpu running at 16x hope this helps
Hi@@EH21UTB,
Welcome! That appears to be so! Thanks for Watching! Success on Your Build!
And obv thanks BuildorBuy!
Wow, great video. I was reading the manual for my z690 Hero and was a tad confused. But you have really explained this well that it now makes a bit mire sense now. Thank you.
Hi corey russell,
Welcome! Excellent! Those Details matter as You well know! Glad We could help! A Video response on that Subject reaches more Viewers than a Comment! And can be more succinct! Appreciate Your Comments! Thanks for Watching! Success on Your Build!
Thank you for helping me better understand the bifurcation and NVME wonkiness. I was stumped as to why I couldn't get the 2nd NVME drive to show up. I was about to send it back, but then I stumbled upon your video! Thank you for saving me!!
Hi Flyboy3245
Welcome! Glad You found Us! Bifurcation is an amazing capability that trickled down from the Server environment to the Desktop. Most notably on the HEDT and Workstation Platforms about 3 or 4 years ago. And this is all about PCIe Resources! Our Goal is to keep it simple and male it work! Appreciate Your Comments! Thanks for Watching!
Holy Mackeral.... I feel like an amateur now. Just when I thought these motherboards we for me, I now have to go back try to understand what all that means for my build.
Hi Murray Niebling,
Welcome! All about PCIe Resources! An eye opener when this is pointed out! Tell Us about Your Build and what You're working on?
Does the built-in thunderbolt 4 on this board pass through the signal from a discrete GPU? I don't see any port to redirect the video from the GPU like on the ThunderboltEX 4 card.
I'm looking to run my PC in another room and just connect via a thunderbolt dock and a long thunderbolt cable, but I also want to be able to still use my RTX3090.
Hi jsharrad,
Welcome! Great Question! In PDF Manual, page 69, see: Rear I/O Connection. Weird. I distinctly remembered there was but now there is not. Most curious. No way to ingest Video from a GPU. Impossible. But clearly no Connector. Also looked at Amazon, B&H and NewEgg. All indicate the same. No DisplayPort or Mini DisplayPort. Nothing, nada, zip, zilch! All I can see is a power cable to 6-Pin PCIe Graphics card connector (PD_12V_PWR) to support 60 watt on page 11 and 25. Very odd. Some Motherboards refer to that as the PEG Connector. I digress. Unbelievable! Glad You asked! This is a real bummer on an otherwise incredible Motherboard! An odd Design. Thanks for Asking!
Very informative video, will i be able to use the hyper m.2 card if i use a riser cable to mount gpu in front?
Hi Bophadez72,
Welcome! Thank You for Your Comments! From Our Testing for PCIe 4.0, a Riser cable is going to be a problem even if the Riser cable claims to be PCIe 4.0. What happen? BSODs. Your Results may vary. Keep Us Posted! Especially on what PCIe 4.0 Riser cable You use! We tried two different Brands. SOL!
I upgraded from Z97 to this board so I am happy but this is enlightening. I will end up using the card in the bottom slot as I don't need that fast speed yet (I also won't be able to afford those at launch) but the extra storage that way will be neat.
Hi Aisback,
Welcome! Yes, You were ready for an Upgrade. Chipset from 2014. Lots of changes since then! Let's hope this one will last as longer or longer! Success on Your Build! Glad We could help! Thanks for Watching! Keep Us Posted on Your Progress!
Excellent video. Thank you..
Are there any CPU/motherboards that are capable of running two or more PCIe 5.0 x16 SSD and graphics card with their own dedicated 16 channels plus a few extra for other hardware?
Hi Newhouse Bruce,
Welcome! Excellent Question! Intel Alder Lake-X HEDT maybe. And... Maybe a W790 Chipset. All speculation and up for conjecture. Possibly in Fall of 2022 at the earliest. This Fall is going to be very busy if everything talked about now, comes to fruition then! Thanks for Asking! Stay Tuned!
@@BuildOrBuy Thank you.
Hi@@BruceNewhouse,
Absolutely! Thanks for Asking!
great video, thank you so much! this mbo's are pain in the ass to configure :)
I have one question if you will be so kind to answer, I have Maximus Z790 Hero, if I put HYPER M.2 X16 GEN 4 CARD with 4 x gen4 SSD's in raid0 into pcix16_g4 slot, will I have full speed, 256 Gbps?
Hello Miro Miro,
Welcome! Just now seeing Your message! Excellent Question! Appreciate Your Comments! Apparently the Z790 Chipset does not allow full bandwidth on 4 M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drives. Full bandwidth on only 3 Drives. We have another Subscriber who has Tested to Verify that capability! Crazy weird, right. A neutered Chipset!
Since PCIe 5.0 GPUs and SSDs don't exist yet, if you *can* cleanly bifurcate one PCIe 5.0x16 slot into two PCIe5.0x8 slots, it's like having a consumer motherboard with two cpu-connected PCIe 4.0x16 slots, and then that additional cpu PCIe 4.0x4 slot. Not bad for a consumer motherboard and a step up from X570.
Hi Jonathan F,
Welcome! Agreed! Sounds good on paper! We're wondering if We really get 2 PCIe 5.0 x8 Slots. OK, great! However, only 1 PCIe 5.0 M.2 NVMe SSD Drive connection! And PCIe is all about the M.2, not the GPU. And what would We use in that other Slot, if NOT the M.2, besides another GPU if the GPU is only 2 Slots wide based on the Spacing? Appreciate Your Comments!
I watched a lot of people on this platform talking about building a PC for hours. In one 30mns video of yours one can get more info than 100 videos made by these people.
Hi Bergo4ever R,
Welcome! I'm honored! Appreciate Your Comments! Thanks for Watching!
What a Great video, lots of usfull info 😀.
I have a I9-9900K on a ROG Strix z390 E Gaming. I will be installing my first NMVE drive on the 1st M.2 slot (Above the GPU), to run my OS, could you advise me what I need to do on the BIOS so I can extrat the full power of a NMVE drive?
Thanks
Hi Filipe,
Welcome! Thank You for Your Comments! Once Your M.2 NVMe is installed, You are ready to go! Suggest unplugging any SATA Drives while You install the O/S. Suggest a clean install. Create Your USB install Media from Windows Media Creation Tool!
Note: For USB Installation Media Success use 16GB Drive or less in capacity.
Your Bios will see the M.2 Device as a Bootable Device. Nothing in Bios to Configure. Only look in Bios to Know Device is present and functional. To reiterate, You are good to go! Windows will automatically Set TRIM on Your new NVMe! Suggest installing Your NVMe Drive Control Panel to verify Firmware after Windows is up and Drivers are installed!
Windows 10
www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10ISO
Windows 11
www.microsoft.com/software-download/windows11
Enjoy! Success! Keep Us Posted on Your Progress!
Could only comprehend half of what he explains 😂😂😂😂 but awesome video!! My question is that if you put that hyperm.2 card, doesn’t it blocks gpu fans???
Hi krnzzang84,
Welcome. PCIe Resources are a big deal. Depends. How wide is your GPU? How does your GPU exhaust heat? Side or rear. Changing one thing changes everything. Consumer GPU vs Workstation GPU. The Hyper M.2 card is 1 Slot wide. Good question. Everything matters. Priorities.
Just bought Z690 maximus hero with DDR5 T-force Delta 32 kit (2x 16 gb ) 6400 with intel XMP 3.0. Ram is crazy ))
Hi Medic,
Welcome! Congrats on getting DDR5! Success on Your Build!
great detail. so if I understand I can use the first m.2 slot as x4.0 drive and I can still get 16x lanes for my video card?
Hi Richard Morenberg,
Welcome! Great Question! Yes! To reiterate, M.2_1 is PCIe 4.0, 4 Lanes and Your GPU will be using all 16 PCIe Lanes as long as the 2nd X16 Slot is NOT used! Success on Your Build! Appreciate Your Comments!
@@BuildOrBuy yes I'm planning to use 2 of the x4 m.2 slots for games but not in raid
Hi@@rmorenberg,
Adding or changing 1 thing can change everything when navigating through PCIe Lane allocations! Helps to know the complete picture from the start!
Got it! For 2nd M.2 NVMe PCIe Drive, use M.2_3 through Chipset which is PCIe 4.0! Hope that helps!
Many years ago ( 1990) I was using and Audiomedia card on an Apple Nubus slot Mac II FX for my project. It did work ( theoretically) but I found dedicated instrumentation would have worked much better. The HP Dynamic Signal Analyzer + several additional modules + computer was out of my pocket range. I required a minimum FFT ( Fast Fourier Transform) and phase analyzer. Latency is not a good word.
Amazing the things We've been working on for so many years are now actually viable. Thanks for Sharing!
I would love a video pertaining to this and MANY other things…. With a Z790 Hero board… pretty please.
Hi Frank E Lima,
Welcome! Honored You asked! We took one look at one ASUS Motherboard Overview for Slots and Storage of PCIe Resource allocations with Z790 Chipset. We found out all We needed to Share on that Chipset for now. Intel really neutered that Chipset from Our Perspective. I'm just the messenger! The W790 looks more promising but it too is lacking in some respects. W790 was announced maybe 3 days ago. ASUS has a great Motherboard based on that Chipset. Link below. More PCIe Resources. Supports PCIe 5.0 on Slots and DDR5 ECC RAM. However, on Storage, NO M.2 NVMe PCIe 5.0! All PCIe 4.0 or 3.0. Tough situation of choices and decisions. Just rearranging PCIe Resources. Appreciate Your Comments! Something else We can help You with?
ASUS Pro WS W790-ACE Motherboard
www.asus.com/motherboards-components/motherboards/workstation/pro-ws-w790-ace/
I'm currently building my first PC (in the middle of ordering each part), so I am pretty new to the scenery, and I apologize if my question is not formulated correctly. Would the ideal population for the m.2 NVME SSDs be in m.2_1 and m.2_3? If so, what PCIe gen speeds would I be capable of reaching? If not, what would be the optimal population for the m.2 NVME SSDs without using the expansion drive? Thanks for the informative video!
Hi Jasper M.,
Welcome! Appreciate Your Comments! Short Answer, Yes!
To CPU:
+ 1. M.2_1 - PCIe 4.0
2. M.2_1 - via ROG Hyper card = PCIe 5.0
Through Chipset:
3. M.2_2 - PCIe 3.0
+ 4. M.2_3 - PCIe 4.0
SATA 3 SSD = 600MBps
1. PCIe 3.0 - 3,500MBps
2. PCIe 4.0, 1st Generation - 5,000MBps
3. PCIe 4.0, 2nd Generation - 7,000MBps
4. PCIe 4.0, 3rd Generation with E18 Controller and Micron Flash - Over 7,000MBps on the read and almost 7,000MBps on the Write. [Seagate FireCuda 530, etc.]
5. PCIe 5.0 - 14,000MBps to 15,000MBps
Note: To the CPU is Faster then Through the Chipset. Test and Verify!
See Disclaimers and exceptions in PDF on Page 8 about PCIe 5.0 on ROG Hyper M.2 Card. A convoluted mess! Hope that helps! Success on Your Build!
Most of what you say just blows right over my head...
What if I need to upgrade my system? I've been on a build with core i5 2500k sandy bridge for about 10 years. Very modest build, but a decent mule for photo editing and simple cad work.
IF you had to choose a z690 for a build with a budget of 2.5 to 3k... Would love to know your choice.
Btw, sometimes it feels like I'm sitting in a lecture
Hi Tigger Guns,
Welcome! Bummer! This is all about PCIe Resource allocations! On the Z690 Chipset, there are not enough PCIe Resources. Only 20 PCIe 4.0 Lanes. Lots has changed in 10 years! Even IF You Built on the Z690, this would only be a 16 Core CPU.
We have another Video where We have compared 3 - 16 Core CPUs that may help.
16 Core CPU Comparison - Intel vs AMD - i9-12900K, 5950X and 3955WX
ruclips.net/video/y6KNTHS6j6Q/видео.html
What Photo Editing and CAD software are You using?
So I have 2 Gen 4 ssds one is in slot one on the board what's the best option for the second that way I'm not decreasing pcie lanes? Put the second Gen4 m. 2 on slot 3 threw the chipset or use the hyper storage card on the bottom pcie slot? Agai. Only trying to get 7mbps r/r DC right now about gen5 obviously
Hi toneAD3,
Welcome! M.2_1, Yes to CPU. 2nd M.2 definitely through Chipset on M.2_3 for PCIe 4.0 support. A crazy Configuration, right! Thanks for Asking! Hope that helps!
Fantastic that you are covering these MB's! Just found out that the Phantek Enthoo Pro II Case has availability for two power supplies. Why this is important is now I can run two high wattage (450W ea.) gaming cards and have each one be powered by a different power supply allowing to then use 2 cheaper UPS's 900W for security and also not replace my existing 1000W PS (and put my 43" acer 4k monitor on the second UPS - fantastic!). Plus that case allows room for the 3 fan rad AIO 3090TI's which can now fit on my x299 MB due to the fact they (due to being hybrids) are back to two slot wide. Only one thing is, is it better to wait for the 4090ti (New Titan) to come out with the 48Gb Vram? choices, choices .. ha ha ha! Those 44 lanes (i9-7980xe) on the x299 are going to finally come in handy (oh did I mention they are running quad memory)!
Hi Claus Bohm,
As the Questions arise about adding Storage, that needs to be addressed according to CPU PCIe Resources. And now Upgrading, You have need of those PCIe Lanes! X299 - 4 Channel Memory on HEDT or WRX80 - 8 Channel Memory on Workstation! Upgrading Your RAM, Good idea from 32GBs to 64GBs! RTX 4090, We need to see Slot Width. VRAM size, Yes! Power Requirements, no! The RTX A Pro series may still be more desirable for Rendering. Sounds like You now have a Case to match Your needs! Keep Us Posted on that! BTW: That's a Dual System Case. That's a lot of Case for the money! But no 5.25 inch Front Drive Bays! No Hot Swap / Hot Plug!
@@BuildOrBuy Yeh I don't need hot swap front bays. In fact i want to go all M.2/SSD's internally. So you think A series is better? I am starting to be inclined to that but I read the heat issues on A4000 is an issue and no data on thermals for the A4500. The hybrid 3090ti's keeps them very cool for long rendering times and Blender loves geforce cuda cores. Are you interested in Blender benchmarks on my current system?
Hi@@clausbohm9807,
Hot Swap / Hot Plug Removable Racks are one of Our Prerequisites for a Case. A holdover from RAID!
Absolutely would Appreciate knowing Your Rendering Results! Details matter! This helps Us to make better Videos! Thanks for Sharing!
@@BuildOrBuy Yeh, A series uses less power then Geforce counterpart but limited viewport response due to the GDDR6 not GDDR6X which makes a real difference. The break in A series is between A4500 and A5000 big jump in price (currently on amazon) so I am limited to a two config a4500 price wise but the EVGA 3900 XC3 (only 2 slot wide air card available in 3900 series) in dual is like adding a third card in compare to A4500's. I just have to get the damn noise under control of the XC3 model that is the only one to fit in my AT Mid tower case, maybe undervolting the EVGA's will do the trick.
Hi@@clausbohm9807,
Always an Option! We like Options! Let Us know which way You decide to try!
Thanks for great videos!
Do you know which heatsink can I use for samsung 970 evo plus(with Sintech st-ngff2013c adapter) in a 27" late 2015 iMac?
Hi Arash Nik,
Welcome! Great Question! We have Tested 14 Heatsinks so far!
A Heatsink for Sintech st-ngff2013c adapter. The Sintech ST-M2H Heatsink would be my first suggestion. The Samsung 970 EVO Plus is PCIe 3.0, capable of 3,500MBps so Heat is not as big of an issue as PCIe 4.0 or PCIe 5.0. Faster = Hotter!
I have see a recommendation for using 3M Heat Sink Thermal Tape. Which has a very low Thermal conductivity of 0.60 W/mK value.
We found a Mucos Thermal Tape, 20 mm x 25M x 0.2mm Double Side Adhesive Thermal Conductive Tape for Heatsink which has a Thermal Conductivity: 1.5 W/mK. Still not high enough.
The problem is how to fasten the Heatsink to the M.2 NVMe Drive using a regular Thermal Pad. A Heatsink with a wrap around base is the most effective Solution for Compression, if You have the space. However, most Heatsinks will not fit the space. And that's back to the one by Sintech!
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Hope that helps! Thanks for Asking!
Man this chipset is bizarre with its PCIE Gens and resource allocation. I have the ROG Hyper M.2 dual adapter which I have a single WD_Black 750 SE (PCIE 4) in M2._1 currently in my Mac Pro 7,1. It works fine though it ejects sometimes after waking from sleep. I have tried it in a x16 lane direct to CPU and in a x16 lane and an x8 lane slot via the PLX chip on the Mac which allocates slots 4-8 resources to what is used out of the 32 lanes to play with. Lanes 1 is 16x straight to cpu as is lane 3. The CPU has 64 lanes total with the board layout having 96 lanes electrically via its 8 slots and swaps resources as needed. It also handles the thunderbolt lanes coming off the 2 on board Maple Ridge chips and also in my case another 2 Maple Ridge Chips on my MPX Pro W5700X. (Apples fancy 5700XT with 4 thunderbolt ports). I have tried to fix the ROG Hyper card in all the slots I tried instead of auto lane resources but still drops. I’d say because my CPU isn’t bifurcating the lane. It shows up as a x4 device not x8. I’m going to try it in my PC Z590 which does support fabrication to see if it’s the WD Black itself as I got second hand and have only tried in the Mac Pro but I doubt it. So I’ll post results soon. Just to be clear I only did this because I had parts to try. My main drives in Mac are the built in 4TB Raid 0 volume and a WD_Black 1500 PCIEx8 drive which flies by the way. Beats Apples raid 0 drives hands down. I also tried the WD_Black 1500 in a x4 slot on my Z590 and was getting about 3400Mbs R/W as a posed to the ratted 6000R/4000W in x8 slot. In a PCIe gen 2 x4 slot it was getting around 1700Mbs R/W. That’s amazing as it was a machine running on the X58 chipset which when it was my main machine had 2x WD Velociraptors in RAID 0 to get me 400Mbs. If anyone is still rocking an older system especially ruining SATA HDD try this baby out to get that machine feeling like a current PC. lol.
Love your vids Gill, I also just love looking at how all these Motherboards implement their own ways using the same chipsets.
Hi Adam,
Welcome! Fascinating! Thanks for Sharing. Agreed, looks like Bifurcation is the issue on the MAC. The other direction would be a self Bifurcated card and those are pricey due to the Broadcom PLX Chip for PCIe Lane Switching.
Yes, all of these Chipsets and all of these Motherboards are different in their PCIe Resource allocations. When a Viewer asks, We have to look. No two are the same. Manufacturers should get more creative and practical in their approach to either Sharing or Hardwiring PCIe Lanes. Especially when those are severely limited. Like having Thunderbolt and 10GbE! Crazy, right! Hence HEDT or Workstation! Appreciate Your Comments! I'm honored!
What bout the confusion with the extra 6pin cable next to the 24 pin connector on the board, it says to get 60 watt on pcie u also need that 6 pin plugged to the psu but no one is plugging it in y? Thank u if u could answer I'm trying to finish my build now what slot on psu do I plug that into a 6pin or a 8x6+2 and only use the 6?
Hi toneAD3,
Welcome! Power Taps... Look at Motherboard PDF Manual, page 16 - Motherboard Layout.
1. 1 x 24 Pin Power Tap - Required.
2. 2 x 8 Pin (+12V) (ATX_12V_1) Single or Dual (ATX_12V_2)
Notice: (ATX_12V_1) Single LED on immediate left.
3. 6 Pin - PD_12V_PWR = Additional Power to PCIe Slots aka PEG Connector which is PCIexpress Graphics Connector. Or else only 27 watts will be supported according to ASUS.
What GPU are You using? If using an RTX 3090, You'll need it. Anything below that, probably not. What would happen? System might not Boot. Crazy, right. Hope this helps! Thanks for Asking! Success on Your Build!
I have a 12 gb 3080 that only needs 2 6+2s but I keep reading that the 6pin also just gives the front io USB type c a 60 watt charger capability seeing its right next to the USB type c header on the board, my manual just says plug it in its so blan the whole manual is just basic I keep second guessing myself lol
Hi@@tonead3748,
Are You making progress getting everything assembled? Success on Your Build! You should not require the PEG Connector for an RTX 3080. Great GPU!
Hey Gill! Great video, everything was explained to me so clearly, much like my electrical engineering -electronics professor (huge compliment from me). However, as a rookie regarding optimized PC storage I had a couple of questions in regards to my ROG Maximus Z690 Apex. It contains a hyper M.2 drive dual-adapter, and an additional DIMM.2 Gen 4 slot right next to the dual channel DDR5 slots (probably through the chipset, I think?). Basically, if I already have a Gen 4 M.2 NVME SSD on the CPU slot as a boot drive (right below the socket), and a Gen 4 x16 GPU on the first slot, where would be the best place to add an additional Gen 5 or Gen 4 M.2 NVME SSD? Assuming that I’m keeping the existing Gen 4 M.2 NVME SSD as my boot drive. Basically, keeping windows and drivers on the boot drive, and games and programs on the additional storage drive. Not sure if that motherboard has a more advanced configuration/controller than this one shown, but any amount of help or information would be appreciated! Thanks again, definitely liked and subscribed. 😁
Edit: CPU is a i9-12900KF and RAM is 2 x16GB = 32GB sticks of DDR5 Corsair Dominator @ 5600Mhz, GPU is a 3080TI, and storage/boot drive is an M.2 PCIE Gen 4 NVME SSD of 2TB. Wasn’t initially planning on using more drives, but I read that having separated drives for Windows/drivers, and games & programs is better for general system performance. And of course additional storage would be better in the long run, just don’t know what exactly would be optimal for my system for adding in another drive.
Hi Jose Labastida,
Welcome! I'm Honored and Appreciate Your Comments!
ASUS ROG Maximus Z690 Apex
rog.asus.com/motherboards/rog-maximus/rog-maximus-z690-apex-model/spec
See: Motherboard PDF Manual Page 7. Specifications Summary.
See: Expansion Slots and Storage.
- 2 x PCIe 5.0 x16 slots (supports x16 or x8/x8 modes). When the PCIE 5.0 M.2 card is installed on the PCIEX16(G5)_2, PCIEX16(G5)_1 will run x8 only. And that's a Bummer! So using the Dual Adapter is out unless You're OK with Your GPU in a x8 Slot, electrically.
Storage Supports 5 x M.2 slots. Sure. Until We read the fine print and exceptions!
To CPU...
- M.2_1, Good!
Through the Chipset... PCIe 4.0
- M.2_2, OK.
- DIMM.2_1
- DIMM.2_2
That's it! Not a lot of options! Hope that helps! Thanks for Subscribing! Working on next video, DaVinci Resolve Benchmark Results and Tech Updates before We get into another set of Build Specs for DaVinci Resolve! Stay Tuned!
BTW: Now You'll have to keep up with a custom install for every application. Everything defaults to C Drive. If You get a SATA Drive, that's a good place for Downloads and Email if You use an email Client. Hope that helps!
@@BuildOrBuy Wow that is annoying, but I think you have successfully taught me the concepts behind pc storage, regardless. Thank you for the timely help, and I look forward to watching your future videos. 😁
Hi@@joselaba,
Glad We could be of help! Absolutely! Working on DaVinci Resolve Workstation Specs!
@@BuildOrBuy I've been staring at this all morning. Would you know if using only a gen3 nvme 2tb card in the M2_1 slot would still impact the PXIEX16 to runx8 only? Or is that caution primarily only for Gen4/Gen5? Sorry after watching the full video, as long as I'm willing to settle for the gen3.0 I bought it should be fine in the M2_1 slot that seems to have the best cooling potential, along side the 3080ti card in the first slot. Answer supplied admirably in the video.
Hi@@ElenaSSF,
Welcome! Crazy making sense of all that, right. Hence the reason for this Video for clarity. Same applies whether PCIe 3.0 or PCIe 4.0. Things change however with PCIe 5.0 on the ROG Hyper M.2 card IF utilized!
As long as You use the 1st PCIEX16_1 Slot for GPU and M.2_1, with whatever M.2 NVMe PCIe Drive, You're good! And forget PCIEX16_2 exists!
Another way to look at this...
The 1st part of this equation is about CPU PCIe Lanes of which We have 24 Lanes. 4 from Chipset to CPU + 4 Lanes to M.2_1 + 16 Lanes to 1st PCIEX16_1 Slot = 24 Lanes. The 2nd part is about PCIe Chipset Lanes. Hope that helps! Anymore Questions, please Ask! This is the Problem with Shared PCIe Resources on Consumer Desktop Motherboards! To reiterate, Our Solution was to explain those Resource allocations! It's a mess! Success on Your Build!
The PCIE lanes on this board are very overwhelming as well as the ROG M.2 Hyper Card. If I wanted to get full speed on a 3090 GPU and 2 PCIE 4.0 M.2 SSDs what would be the best setup? Would I put the 3090 GPU into the first slot PCIEX16(G5)_1 and then the 2 PCIE 4.0 M.2 SSD into ROG M.2 Hyper Card into PCIEX16(G4)? Is it worth using the ROG M.2 Hyper Card, what are the benefits? Thanks!
Hi Violent Destruction,
Welcome! A convoluted mess on the Z690 Chipset in general! Yes! That as You have described is the only way to get full benefits of those 2 M.2 NVMe Drives and they are through the Chipset! Crazy, right. Benefits? More JBOD Storage or a RAID 0 array for a scratch Drive if You need it or want it. IF using RAID, use the O/S RAID. Appears the Bios RAID requires the Intel Optane Memory H M.2 Drives. You'll have to tell Us if that is true or not. Another Viewer brought that to Our attention. One was using Linux and could not verify. Hope that helps! Keep Us Posted on Your Project!
@@BuildOrBuy If I did the above with (2) 2TB Samsung 980's in the hyper m.2 card how would I load windows? I could never get the drives to show when installing windows.
Hi@@lotro__9557,
We have several Videos on How to install Windows in RAID 0. What's Your Motherboard Model and Chipset plus Your CPU?
@@BuildOrBuy It's the Z690 ASUS Maximus Hero with an I9 12900k
HI@@lotro__9557,
OK! RAID is easy. We have several Videos outlining those Procedures for RAID. Here's one - Windows Bootable NVMe RAID 0 Tutorial on Gigabyte TRX40 Designare using Sabrent Rocket NVMe 4.0 -
ruclips.net/video/U-KBgEXrWLA/видео.html
That Video has the detailed steps in the Description for a new clean Installation of RAID. The Step where You get hung up has me concerned about the prior requirements to step through for a successful RAID array installation.
Hope that helps! Keep Us Posted on Your Progress!
I also meant to emphasis I would very likely upgrade the RAM, and GPU.... It depends on the RAM available... If I am not mistaken with the ASUS Pro Art Creator Z690 Chipset, the GDDR5 Memory available from Kingston may only currently allow for up to 64GB of RAM for that Motherboard... in the future that is likely to change, but who knows with the chip shortage issues
Hi Shannon Bailey,
That's what We're seeing as well, on DDR5 only 16GB Sticks of RAM. And definitely Kingston on a new Platform! Yes, this Chip shortage is really messing things up! Thanks for sharing!
Kingston FURY Beast DDR5 Memory - 16GB, 32GB-4800MHz, 5200MHz - Kingston Technology
www.kingston.com/unitedstates/us/memory/gaming/kingston-fury-beast-ddr5-memory
With Kingston only showing 16GB sticks of DDR5, that too makes me take pause. No indication or Listing of 32GB sticks of RAM. Very interesting.
I still say hold off on that!
Hi, Thank you for the video, it was very informative. I wanted to confirm a few things, If I wanted to get the full x16 on PCI-e slot 1, I would have to use the Dual Adapter with the M.2's in PCI-e slot 3?
I currently have a 3090 GPU in slot 1, with 2 2TB M.2's in m.2 slot 1 and 3. I using the Asus z690 Hero MB and am having no end of issues. The GPU is an EVGA 3090 FTW3 ultra.
Sometimes it sees the GPU, other times it just refuses and I have to revert to the onboard graphics. As of today, I've had the GPU issue and windows not wanting to see the m.2 drives.
The ideal place I'd like to be at is, GPU running the full x16, 2 m.2 drives available (1 for OS and the 2nd as a scratch / temp data store) with 2 x 12tb HDDs setup as RAID 1 (sort of like an internal NAS which will replicate to an External standalone NAS).
I've literally just built this machine and don't want to move forward with it until I know I've got everything in the right place.
I must add that I'm also using a custom Water loop which I believe I will have to drain to move the GPU around if required etc.
Thanks for your help in advance :)
Hi Harvi Singh,
Welcome! Thank You! Appreciate Your Comments! Sorry for Your hassle! A real bummer! We'll need to systematically go through everything. This could be anything.
ASUS RoG Maximus Z690 Hero
rog.asus.com/motherboards/rog-maximus/rog-maximus-z690-hero-model/spec
EVGA 3090 FTW3 ultra
www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=24G-P5-3987-KR
Requires: 2 - 8 Pin Power Taps; 750 Watt or greater power supply.
1. Yes, through the Chipset. The CPU only has 20 PCIe Lanes. 16 Lanes for the GPU and 4 Lanes for the 1st M.2 NVMe Drive.
2. Really nice GPU! Congrats! Could be an issue with Shared PCIe Resources.
3. What PSU are You using - Brand, Model and Capacity?
4. Motherboard new or used? This matters very much!
5. Try having only the GPU and Primary M.2 NVMe Drive connected and see if that works.
6. Connect Monitor to GPU using only HDMI. Is the Monitor new? What about the HDMI Cable?
7. Bios: Graphics Configuration - Do You have this set to Auto? Change to PEG.
Keep Us Posted on Your progress! Hope this helps!
Only the z690 maximus extreme or glacial have omboard pcie5 m.2 slot shared bandwidth with the pcie 5 16x slot
Hi Hosaka Blood,
Welcome! The Z690 Chipset does not deliver enough on the promise of PCIe 5.0 for an M.2 NVMe PCIe 5.0 Drive. Thanks for Sharing! Appreciate Your Comments!
have you ever built a computer for music production/client asked me to build him one /i build gaming computers and figure it couldn't be that much different
Hi stkrrauch,
Great Question! Yes! This is a Work Computer and NOT a Gaming Computer! Been chasing that perfect DAW computer ever since Midi was made possible on the ISA Bus! Still have one of those Midi I/O cards too! Now,, We're all about Content Creation and Work Computers. They share many attributes. For the Hardware side, get a List of what Applications he's going to be using. Check those Specs. Most are meager in their Description. Individual Virtual Instrument Libraries have the most complete Specs. Better than the Host applications. Audio is Single Threaded. So He'll need Fast CPU Cores and lots of RAM! The GPU is not as important for Audio.
The real question becomes TRX40 or WRX80. On the Software side, preferably no WiFi. That's just something else You'll have to disable due to DPC Latency. Remember, Windows is NOT a real time O/S! We need to do a Video just on DPC Latency.
Do they want a Case or Rackmount? If Rackmount then Form factor needs to be ATX. Also make sure they have Thunderbolt 3. Working on a Video that may shed some light light on this more succinctly. Stay Tuned!
Wow good talk. I have been looking at the MSI MEG Z690 unity which has 5 nvme drives. One CPU, three pcie4 and one pcie3. No option for pcie 5 nvme. Not planning raid, just thought I would comment. Thanks!
Hi Aldi More,
Welcome! Thank You! JBOD - Very good point! There is suppose to be an MSI Meg Z690 Godlike. That is suppose to include an M.2 NVMe PCIe 5.0 Adapter. No Product announcement, only talk and articles about that product! Interesting what's happening with PCIe 5.0 and M.2 NVMe. Appreciate Your Comments! Thanks for Sharing!
Is it a good idea to have a m.2 8tb as the C drive. And a 8th ssd as a back up mirror incase m.2 fails? Like a RAID 1? Will it slow down the m.2?
Hi Jolly Green,
That depends. Most Users will use maybe a 2TB or 4TB C Drive. And always maintain drive capacity below 70%. Even for Virtual Instrument Audio Libraries, that's a good size to last for maybe 2 years. Then an Upgrade later. And a Spinning Drive for Downloads, email and such. A larger capacity M.2 NVMe for a Scratch Drive or Rendered Files would be a good place for those. Rendered Audio can take a spinning HDD to a crawl. Now for the backup mirror Drive, to keep it simple yes, same size. We can Clone, Image or Backup. I prefer a straight Clone. Ready to go! We have a Video on those procedures from some time ago. Not many Views. Not enough interest. Cloning on an HP Laptop.
What's You media Focus or type of Data on the Drive?
Drives in RAID 0 require at least 2 Drives or more. RAID 0 is the fastest. Redundancy of Data is more about the User than the Hardware. M.2 Drives in RAID are less likely to fail than spinning Drives. Most RAID Drives now are about Performance. Such as an Internal RAID vs and External RAID. A good reason for both Thunderbolt and LAN Device connectivity! However We always say, anything in RAID should exist in 3 places. A rare event can happen. Having a Clone helps. And keeping Your Computer on a good UPS is important too! Hope that helps!
If you say you wouldn't build on a Z690 chipset, you're basically saying don't get an Intel 12th Gen CPU then, right? Because another strong reason to build on the Z690 chipset is to get the new Alder Lake CPU.
Also, what do you think of getting the Z690 DDR4 MoBo's, since PCIe5 and DDR5 is so unreasonable right now? That way, you get the Alder Lake upgrade. I've seen many results where the i9-11900k is really terrible.
Hi B Man,
Correct. We just do not see the value. PCIe 5.0 does not deliver well on the Z690 Chipset. We're working on another Video from the aspect of a 16 Core CPU that be more helpful based on PCIe Lanes, if that matters to You. My question to You, what are Your Plans for this new Build? And what are Your Requirements? That may change everything.
We're going to Compare 3 - 16 Core CPUs. Stay tuned!
@@BuildOrBuy My requirements would be something like, primarily 4K video editing my GoPro footage, secondary gaming (whenever I can get a RTX 3080 card), and future proof it for 4-5 years. I'd like to build now, but can easily be convinced to wait for a good reason. Thanks! I enjoy your in-depth channel. I'm still picking up the jargon you use.
Hi@@bman4939,
OK! Have a Video response today! Hope this helps to Answer Your Questions regarding CPU! Questions, please ask! Here to help! Stay Tuned!
Fixed amount of shared memory for the iGPU, 64M, from the BIOS manual
Hi Jeremy Daw,
Welcome! Yes. However, We need someone to confirm who has that Motherboard up and running. That could possibly be a higher value. Manuals are not always absolute. We could expect that value to go at least to 128MBs or more in this day and time. We appreciate Your Comments! Thanks for Watching!
BTW: Are You thinking about Building?
@@BuildOrBuy I am building this one for a music workstation. 128MB is trivial in these times. I actually thought it would be higher. I am going to review your video again today. 2 things of interest to me is the "hyper M2" and putting in a video card as I may use it for unreal music video development. Single core peak speed is key for music development as each track has only 1 cpu on it, it cannot be done in parallel, the signal flow is serial.
Hi@@citadelo5ricks,
Sorry to be so late in getting back to You. Drive Failure and Allergies. You need 2 x16 Slots, Dedicated PCIe Resources. To get that You need either a HEDT TRX40 or Workstation WRX80. Anything Chipset configuration below those will be shared PCIe Resources and will not give You what You need or want. Any Chipset / CPU with Shared PCIe Resources in limited. Hope that helps! And based on price and performance, You're now better off with a WRX80 Workstation. You can get the low CPU Core count but also have the Dedicated PCIe Resources You're going to require. The difference in Building a 2 year or 8 year Computer.
So is there any downside of running RAID 0 on the M.2_3 slot and using the two slots on the RoG Hyper M.2 x16 card? I get not using the slot linked to the CPU as that would cause performance issues mixing them.
Hi galluccib,
Welcome! For RAID 0, 3 M.2 NVMe Drives. Yes! That should work fine!
@@BuildOrBuy Thanks!
Hi@@galluccib,
Keep Us Posted on Your progress! Success on Your Build!
I already got the RoG Maximus Z690 Hero MoBo, and I couldn't get my hand on DDR5 Rams. I saw the whole video and waited for you to explain about the Rams but didn't find the answer. Is it possible to install DDR4 Rams on this MoBo?
Hi Atef Alshehri,
Welcome! Great Question! The point of this Video, to explain PCIe Resource allocations. Do NOT Buy any Z690 Motherboard due to that fact alone. To answer Your question, NO DDR4 support on this Motherboard. Although the CPU and Chipset support both, all Motherboards will only support one, DDR4 OR DDR5. DDR RAM Slots are not backwards compatible and never have been. Can You return this Motherboard? If so, do so! Hope that helps! Thanks for Watching!
On this board, can I run a GPU in the first slot at x16 and NVME Gen 4 in the M.2_1 slot at x4? Or will the GPU run at 8x because the first M.2 slot is being used?
Hi TheJbomber,
Welcome! You have 20 PCIe Lanes to the CPU. Hopefully! You're good as Configured! Glad You're asking! These Details matter! Hope that helps! Thanks for Watching!
I have the Z690 Hero, and I have 2X1Tb Samsung 980 Pro SSD in the Hyper M.2 enclosure. I wanted to put them in raid 0 but I really struggled with it. Intel RST wouldn't even start, it kept telling that chipset wasn't supported. I also tried diskpart, but the when I tried to execute the command that joined the 2 drives, I got an error message stating that the command was supported by my version of Windows, despite me having Win11 Pro. In the end I created a stripped volume using Computer Management. When I benchmark the resulting drive I get around 13000Mbs read and around 10000Mbs write, which is fast, but you know...?
Intel cpu's raid wants Optane drives. Thanks, I didn't know you could use Com. Man. to get around that! With Sabrent drives you need 2TB or 4TB to get a write speed equal to the read speed.
Hi diecast jam,
Welcome! What a hassle! Sounds like a Bios Update is in Order! Yes, fast but not PCIe 5.0 fast! I hear that! Thanks for Sharing Your experience and frustrations!
HI@@maxhughes5687,
Good point. Intel Optane ON the Chipset for a Hybrid Bios RAID. Supports but does not indicate only. Interesting. The OS RAID should be independent. Just more fuel to the fire of confusion and obfuscation. Thanks for Responding! Wonder what else We have yet to uncover on the Z690! Enough already!
BTW: Working on next Video - TRX40 or WRX80 to Answer another Subscribers Questions and Comments!
@@maxhughes5687 Thanks Max, I realise it was something to do with Optane, it may even have mentioned Optane in the error message, but you can use Intel RST for other things can't you, so it surprised me that it wouldn't even run.
@BuildOrBuy Hey thanks for the reply. I knew I was going to buy in to Alder Lake from when it was 1st announced. I don't need it by any means, but this is my hobby so...you know? Originally, I had only bought 1 500Gb 980 Pro for my OS, but the funny thing is I saw 1 of your videos where you were getting phenomenal speeds via raid 0. Actually I had realised you would get good speeds via 2xGen4 ssd’s, so I probably did a search and found your video. But you know what it’s like being married, these purchases need be negotiated with the other half, and as I had just spent £2500+ on all the other stuff, including a RTX 3080, so I didn’t think I would be getting another SSD for a while. But luckily, I discovered I had been given £450 worth of Amazon vouchers for a long service award in work so I was able to get the other 2 1Tb 980 Pro, and a 360 AIO to replace the 240 one I have already. TBH I saw the speeds you were getting like 16000Mbs read and 15000 write, so I was a bit disappointed my speeds were slower, but I hadn’t watched the video all the way thru, so I didn’t realise that was with 4XSSD’s, lol.
what would be the best configuration this is my new setup.. z790 hero,i9 13900k and a 4090 i want to have 2 M.2 Nvme SSD 1 for OS and other one is just for games... can u suggest me where to put this m.2 ssd. thanks
Hi Clet Cadano,
Welcome! Congrats on Your Decision! Excellent Question!
1. M.2_1 to CPU, PCIe 5.0
2. M.2_2 through Chipset, PCIe 4.0
That allows Your RTX 4090 to utilize all 16 Lanes as allocated! Hope that helps! Success on Your Build! Keep Us Posted!
Thanks for helping out newbies!💪💪 subscribed and notification bell will surely watch more of your contents
Hi@@cletcadano4462,
Glad to help! Building a Computer is a fascinating process! Outstanding!! I'm honored! Appreciate Your Support! The more You do this, the more You'll want to Build again!
Summary, two pcie 5.0 m.2 drives NEVER possible? System being built by NewEgg/Enigma. Don't know if I can cancel.
Hi M Dawson,
Welcome! Right now, PCIe 5.0 is not Delivering as We expected nor as We were being told! Not enough PCIe Resources when We get down to the facts and do the math and read the fine print. Bummer, right. The only way right now would be when Intel gets situated back on a HEDT with Alder Lake X maybe. And... In 2 years, PCIe 6.0! And We do this all over again!
its like intel goes out of their way to make things complicated for the user /its done intentionally to try and hide the flaws of the z690 chipset/i wont buy the z 690 any way i am waiting for the next amd chipset but i still love watching and learning about all this
X570 and Z690 just don't have enough cpu lanes or enough ram channels. Gill is the only guy on utube that makes that clear. A 4094 pin socket on TRX40 gives you twice the connectivity on their PCIe sockets and ram throughput. WRX80 gives you four times their PCIe sockets and ram throughput.
Hi stkrrauch,
Welcome! Our sentiments exactly! And that's nuts! This should not be such a conundrum! Appreciate Your Comments! Thanks for Sharing!
Hi@@maxhughes5687,
Appreciate Your Comments! Thanks for responding! Like a square peg in a round hole. Wonder how long it will take other Users to figure this out. Hope they do so before they purchase instead of after the fact! The Z690 is just so wrong in so many ways. PCIe 5.0 sounds exciting but the current implementation is a mess! Looks like Marketing was running rampant over Engineering on this one! We have Our work cut out for Us!
Please dont laugh...
The more and more I watch the series, the more and more "will power" I got to sell 1 kidney OR sign some kind of slavery contract, then build the top-class next-gen Threadripper system and be DONE with it. How vast, tremendous are all these information, knowledge and detail... Meanwhile those who need these kind of machines for their jobs have suffered enough brain damage already.
Rumor control: No ZEN3 TR for the TRX40 board. Maybe a ZEN3 TR PRO for the WRX80 board. AMD is selling all the ZEN3 EPYC cpus they can make. We may get a ZEN3 TR PRO that use all the left over 8 core CCD's when EPYC goes to ZEN4.
It goes to show what you buy is not exactly what you get.
Hi james wubbolt,
You're absolutely right about that! Obfuscation! The Z690 is a convoluted mess!
Hi Max Hughes,
Now that's exciting and worth waiting for! WRX80 Threadripper Pro is looking more like a reality. Agreed! Good reason to go ahead and get the Motherboard even before the GPU or CPU! Thanks for Sharing!
Hi Ngọc Kim Quang Hồ,
Welcome! Well stated! Z690 and PCIe 5.0 implementation is a conundrum! You're using Blender. You need a Threadripper Pro! Start choosing a Motherboard!