ASUS ProArt B550-CREATOR Review - Dual Thunderbolt & Linux Testing!
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- Опубликовано: 30 июн 2021
- Wendell takes a deep dive at the ASUS ProArt B550! This board has some unique features, yet is simplistic enough for the average user. A very balanced board with dual thunderbolt.
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+ ASUS ProArt B550-CREATOR - www.amazon.com/dp/B08ZS73B4Y/?...
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+ Corsair H100i - www.amazon.com/dp/B07BWNWQKJ/?...
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Hi Wendell. Found your channel through Shout-outs on LTT and I’m glad I did. Well done - keep up the good work!
the 4:29 huff just made me sub.. First vid of yours I've watched and the huff won me over.
Very good mate thank you. Consice informative and well spoken. After everything you've said I am definitely sure that board is on my next build list. Am4 great stuff
I appreciate the Ikea desk lamp with clamp aimed at the acoustic panels. The review itself is nice too.
Great review. I bought this board a few weeks ago and had to really dig to find out what slots were shared and dropped performance if you were using Thunderbolt and the 2nd M.2 slot. Just waiting for case and graphics card to arrive to complete the build. Great board for creators.
Sadly, Asus doesn't publish a block diagram for it's ProArt series.
Hi! Did you find the right slots for good performance? I just ordered this board.
In 2019 the ASRock B450 HDV Rel 4.0 has caught my eye, especially the $59 price. Since that time I use it happily with a Ryzen 3 2200G. A CPU not on the list of CPUs supported by Windows 11. A reason to be even more happy and use the 2200G for as long as possible.
Thanks for covering this mobo in detail!
Definitely one I will be considering for a future studio upgrade
Cheers!
ps- I am still part of the optical drive gang BUT I feel mobos should come with a USB for the drivers since MOST require a USB for BIOS updates
Been waiting for this review.
OMG !! Brother Where were you all these days? How did I not find you earlier? I have never seen anyone review motherboards in such an incredible manner.... Right now checking your channel for some other interesting videos.
1:09 Getting Voodoo2 SLi to Matrox vibes from this. Good vibes. Quality vibes.
The X570, for reference: also fanless, +1 m.2 , +2 SATA (cannot be used if 3rd m.2 is in pcie mode), no SPDIF out, no PS2, no PCIe x1 slots, more USB outs, one of the 2.5G is 10G Aq instead, Wifi 6E, and the shield is much bigger. Also, the new M.2 shares 16x total bandwidth with first two PCIe slots. Configurations 16/8+8/8+4+4 for pcie1,2,m.2. The last PCIEx16 is 4x.
Manual also states the pcie1-2-m.2 group support bifurcation 'for raid on cpu function".
I would imagine the idea is that you'll use to the Thunderbolt ports to power a dock or something similar, but I do feel like there aren't as many Type-A ports on the I/O of the board. Maybe I'm just weird and like having a metric butt ton of inputs on my boards.
Would it be too much to ask for a mobo like this in mATX form factor? If i have to carefully select my peripherals, then I don't need that many physical connectors on the board if I can't use some of them in particular cases. I feel like this board would make a lot more sense in mATX form factor because you can fit all those features in that form factor.
I’d love to see a Threadripper mobo review with IPMI option and lots of x16 slots. I’ve seen you covered some of the Threadripper Pro mobos, but what’s the current state now, any good deals?
Does the noise cancelling chip works in Linux? Thank you very much for the video. I am trying to decide between this one and the ASRock x570 ITX. Your videos are very useful.
Just buy this board for cheap in 2023 , this video is really helpfull. Kudos !!!
Nice build! Would be cool to see the Gigabyte X570S Aero in this build. It's got 2 USB-C "VisionLINK" ports (DP) with USB-PD, so I'm not sure what is going on under the hood, would be interesting to hear your opinion on this compared to a Thunderbolt-capable board like the B550 Vision D-P.
The x570 version is a beast! You should totally review it
Do I need a certain driver to use the display port over thunderbolt?
I've got my DP Out from video card plugged to the DP in.
Maybe it's my USB c to HDMI cable
Some motherboard + Ryzen combos can do single bit ECC, i can't find any spec related to ECC so i guess it's a no go?
Anyone know why motherboards that have a HDMI 2.1 port are willingly limited by manufacturers to only support 4k at 60Hz? I can't find any motherboard that supports HDMI 2.1 4k playback at 120Hz.
Hi Just need one clarification. All my hard disks or cameras have USB 3.0 will it help to increase the speed of transfer if I go for a motherboard with 3.2 gen2 or thunderbolt 4.0
I have this exact motherboard but I cant install the thunderbolt4 driver. It just disappears when I run it. Any advice?
Can you use the thunderbolt ports for video out with Ryzen CPU with integrated graphics?
So if I want 2 x4 NVMe SSDs + 1 Firewire PCIe adapter + 1 x8 graphic card, can you confirm I'd need a PCIe x8 NVMe adapter, since M.2_2 would only work at x2 because of the PCIe Firewire in either PCIEX_1 or PCIEX_2?
Nice review! Is there any TB docking station that will support dual 4k display? I want to use it with my macbook and PC. I tested a lenovo TB4 docking station and only one display works on this MB. I am looking for a docking station that is definitely TB but can fall back to alt-dp (This MB works fine with MST)
Nice board, I might spring for this one.
Can i use the thunderbolt on this mobo, on a, lets say, a Lenovo thunderbolt dock
Using PCIEX16_3 block thunderbolt 4 ok but these ports will be still working like usb-c 5-10 Gbs or no?
This is whats going on during the boot sequence, VGA,DRAM,CPU error lights
cycling on and off Ryzen 7 5800 do you think a bios problem?
3:36 - totally off topic but Ive thought about getting a older keyboard and desiging a modern drop in PCB for it partially for lols.
Cmon tell us the answer Sep 2021 for better than this in Intel Z590 PCIe16 x4 and what is better for TB4 AMD
"Muskin is back with a vengeance" sounds weird when talking for memory :P
Helpful video. Thanks.
"Mushkin is back with a vengeance." It would've been even better if you said that while referring to a Corsair kit.
Merci monsieur, tout les carte mère devrait être présenté comme vous le faite
How many monitors does this support and does it require an iGPU?
Good review!
Another note from someone testing this motherboard for a while: You can remove that stupid acrylic plate that is screwed to the chipset heatsink.
(I know this is unlikely to be an issue with B550 but I consider it extremely “distasteful” to insulate a passive heatsink with plastic)
what do you think about this board? would this be a good board for building a proxmox / storage server or do you think x570d4u is better?
I’d say it all depends on if you really want to use KVM-IPMI: If not necessarily I’d go with the ASUS or maybe try adding an aftermarket IPMI solution. I haven’t personally gone back to ASRock Rack since the X470D4U debacle for motherboards, but I got a few PAUL KVM-IPMI AICs for the use with consumer motherboards. To this day ASRock Rack hasn’t responded to me about PAUL firmware updates, was lucky enough to get one through the vendor.
After typing these experiences my gut says to still stay away from ASRock Rack, stuff like them manufacturing the dual 10 GbE variant of the motherboard with the Intel X550 NIC in debug mode doesn’t exactly help regaining my trust (cp. the L1T forum thread).
So far I’ve not had a “real” issue with the ProArt B550-CREATOR, just general drivers stuff that’s annoying when using Windows with it (unkown USB controller device that needs a driver from Microsoft’s update catalog, Intel’s strange Thunderbolt driver package installation ritual, AMD chipset RAID1/10 with extremely poor sequential write performance triggered by unknown circumstances).
In theory the cover would allow the heatsink fins to act as an air tunnel. When motherboard is oriented vertically hot air would run upwards and it would pull cooler air from the bottom side thus creating passive airflow.
Yeah, nope - these indentations are much too small to be used for passive convection (cp. the larger distance between the fins of the new Noctua NH-P1 passive CPU heatsink compared to regular ones) and air flow even from slowly operating case fans overpowers convection in computer cases anyway.
@@abhineetsingh12 Definitely any server board will be better.
Why would one want to route a display out to a thunderbolt out?
Very cool to see such a functional board without gaming bells and whistles that so needlessly add to the cost of a product. This seems like a great choice for a lower budget studio that isn't quite to the point of buying workstation hardware, but wants to be able to tackle production workloads.
So is there an X570 version of this?
Commenting for the engagement.
Didn't understand much..
But boy was I engaged.
Actually going for the X570 version of this motherboard. Better power delivery.
What does Levelo Netec HS mean?
I have ProArt b550 with Ryzen 9 PC, But there is a problem or it's a future I don't know? When I was on my PC first time (mean's disconnect power for 5 mints) then power on the PC all fans and Led light starts and All fans and light are stoped/power off work few seconds after that its automatically start again all light and fan working continues. The display shows, PC doesn't create any problem, No restart. Have you started your motherboard same as me or start directly?
Mine has the same strange behavior, and also some thunderbolt error messages slowing down the booting sequence on Debian11. I will try to disable thunderbolt ports until a solution with a kernel or bios update solves it.
SO, I can check out any time I want, BUT I can never leave! :p
I'm currently looking at this motherboard and a 5900x as well. I was wondering how a Noctua NH-D15 would fit in relation to that massive heatsink
You could get a Deepcool AK620 heatsink instead. Same performance as the Noctua while cheaper and smaller profile.
Does anyone know if the X570 AMD Chipset will work with ECC RAM, in ECC mode, or only in Non-ECC mode ? For example I have the Gigabyte X570 I Pro Wifi Mini ITX motherboard, Gigabytes specifications page for this particular motherboard states it will work with with ECC ram, and the CPU I an interested in knowing if will work with ECC RAM in ECC mode is the AMD Ryzen 9 5950X
x570 and B550 chipset work with ECC Ram
Ya this motherboard is absolutely incredible
Someone would love to see the same review for the X570 Creator
I guess I'm last of a dying breed cause I still have a DVD Rom (for CD ripping) and a Blu-ray burner in my machine.
Down with the no media future, lol
The plastic peel and stare / pause lol... skills
what's the point of making this on b550 losing the additional lanes of x570?
B550 didn't ever require active cooling.
The newer versions of X570 (often called X570S) does not, so they are likely coming out with that.
He also answers this at 15:45 so...
Can we use the DP-IN from the board as a capture card?
No it's just for thunderbolt
Another component not actually widely available at launch 😔
So happy to finally see official TB support coming to AMD. I needed it for my build and was cornered in the very expensive X299 platform with an ASUS Prime Deluxe 2. So excited that options are opening up for the future.
Here's my question does it work with Ryzen 7 5700G? the ASUS page was taken down today.
if it does work with 5700G does the thunderbolt etc function?
Perfect timing, I literally just put it in my shopping cart... :)
...and in the end went for the B550 Vision DP instead. Only to get the news of fanless X570 a day later :p
@@MichaelAuerswald honestly you likely did the right thing. everyone who bought this board including myself and pounding their heads against the wall right now. if i dont get this sorted out in the next couple of days im sending it back and going the same route as you. is the thunderbolt 3 working out just fine? thunderbolt 4 is hell which is making me question if they're either producing a bunch of lemons, or the support isn't truly there yet. it's gonna take more than one stiff drink to calm this rage
@@SuperSaiyanScandinavian I'm not using TB3 so I don't know for sure. Everything else is working once I got new RAM (it was unusable with the HyperX modules and works rock stable with the Ballistix now). Still kind of regret not waiting for the fanless x570 since only having two PCIe slots (with two m.2 installed) is limiting.
@@MichaelAuerswald The X570S Aero does not have TB, but rather USB-C with DP. Not sure on a technical level what that implies, but I suppose you won't have general purpose PCI-E Lanes for peripheral devices. Gigabyte markets the Aero as having VisionLink which can supply a "Drawing Tablet" with DP, USB-PD and USB Host (touch).
@@MichaelAuerswald B550 Vision DP didn't work with HyperX RAM?
Oof. I currently use an msi x470 gaming plus and its VRM doesn't really work well with my 5900x and I'm planning to upgrade the mobo, however probably not going for this one since I don't use thunderbolt nor am I planning to. I was actually considering the B550 Vision DP - but now that you've mentioned it's not compatible with hyperx modules...That kinda threw me off. (I have a 2x16 GB HyperX predator 3333mhz memory kit)
apline?
I take it the two TB4 ports video out put is limited because they are both fed via one DisplayPort from the GPU? One thunderbolt is a lot easier to run than multiple DP cables.
I'm curious about this too. Usually, Thunderbolt 4 Maple Ridge takes two DP 1.4 inputs, but this board only has one. Does that mean it can't do 8k over TB4?
It's more co.plicated than that. Tb doesn't magically have more than 40gbps bandwidth bit it can work better with dsc. However Nvidia has bugs with dsc ATM so it's not a slam dunk. 8k 60 is easily possible on dp1.4 with dsc.
@@Level1Techs I have Gigabyte’s Maple Ridge TB4 card installed on a TRX40 mb without a TB header, just power and two mini DP 1.4 in’s connected to my RTX 3090, and it can drive an Apple Pro display at 6k 60hz. over a TB4 cable. But obviously no data or usb. Will this board be able to drive the Pro Display at 6K with data?
VFIO 2x8?
NZXT Design? That would mean ASRock, then, no?
Did you test the TB4? many users cannot get it to work and I would be one of them
Scratch that. I got it to work. It was my UAD2 Octo in the PCIe 3 slot that made the TB not work.
Would be nice to camper this with B500 Vision D
This is great, but I think that smaller FF mini ITX boards would actually be make more sense for reallocating unused PCIe lanes to TB4 ports.
Exactly, killing 2 birds with one stone... Heck the rear 2x2.5GbE + 2xTB + 4xUSB3 + 2xUSB2 + 6xAudio + BIOSFlashback only need extension/moving of HDMI/DP-IN a bit to accomodate for a built-in WIFi antennas (eg. connected to an M.2 WiFi6E Intel or Killer user replaceable/upgradeable NIC) dropping those unused PCIe lanes for better built-in rear I/O would pay dividends in a market devoid of really good feature sets and rear ports (in platforms that are not as easily extended through add-in-cards).
like the x570 itx tb3?
@@morcogbr but with multiple TB4 ports
@@morcogbr Similar but with more TB ports and more USB3.2-typeC and USB3-typeA ports as well, as most of the AMD mITX boards have limited rear I/O connectivity with usually 4-6 USB ports in total... in a platform/form factor that cannot be further extended through multiple slotted AICs...
I feel there should be an X570s version of this board. As someone who has had issues maxing out the pcie limits of the chipset link on my x370 I want extra lanes if I'm gonna be using thunderbolt instead
I think it already teased from asus in a recent tweet.
Initially I was intrigued, but I forgot that B550 PCIe layouts sadly make that chipset unusable-ish for me, as that means I'd drop my GPU to x8 if I add a fast NIC. But then again, I am starting to move all my GPU stuff over to servers as the world opens back up and just use my browser to connect to Jupyter on those.
can you explain in simpler terms for a moron like me? im savvy enough to build computers (not that it takes much to learn that lol) but other than that i dont know all that much. i just purchased this from amazon and am waiting for it, but im starting to have a lot of concerns. i knew it wasn't rated the best, but when i made the purchase i'd read around a fair bit and it seemed like the main complaint was it's price and saying if you dont need thunderbolt then you're a fool to buy it. but since i do need it i decided to make the purchase thinking that was the only complaint. now as a couple of days have past since the purchase i've come across more complaints about it, and these complaints have nothing to do with the pricing. only problem is that some of the complaints im seeing i dont actually understand, so im not sure if it's more of a subjective problem given what their needs are, or if it's universal. thanks in advance if you do respond.
@@SuperSaiyanScandinavian Don't worry too much about it. I have very different needs to most people, currently running AMD Threadripper on my main computer. If you just want to use this for work from home or gaming, you'll be more than fine. This is a great motherboard, and a sexy one at that.
Personally, I do some very GPU intensive work, so ideally I like my motherboards to support multiple GPUs and keep the option to put in a 100G Ethernet card which can saturate a PCIe 3 X16 Link (or a PCIe 4 X16 Link for a dual port card) but I don't think you'll ever be in the position to connect to a high performance computing cluster (or its storage system), so my Problem is very specific. You'll be happy with the Asus Pro Art, don't worry about it.
I really wish they did this board in a mITX form factor with all of these bells and whistles, including rear ports, besides the multiple pcie slots found here... It'd be unique then, as next mITX AM4 board to be interesting seems to be the rumored Gigabyte X570SI Aorus Pro AX (the X570S mITX refresh with more of a heat spreader contraption for the chipset and VRM section), since we generally lack quality and quantity of rear ports implementaton, or features such as these found on creator or overclocking lines in the ATX dimensions, on the SFF boards.
You can sign out any time you like but you can never leave
These days we don't use internal soundcards, we use an external interface on USB that's far more useful, also thunderbolt connectivity. As an audio engineer I wouldn't use on the board sound.
Thank You . . .
The Thunderbolt sharing IOMMU with the chipset is inexcusable and deal-breaker. Even on my laptop I can passthrough the Thunderbolt to the VM (for a firwire audio interface).
you mind explaining what that means? i just purchased this from amazon. thought i'd take the risk since they have a good return policy and i really want integrated thunderbolt, and while most complaints i've seen is just about the price even though that price should be expected with thunderbolt, i have still come across some dodgy reviews making me a little concerned im going to be hugely disappointed.
@@SuperSaiyanScandinavian It's only relevant if you are running Linux and want to use the thunderbolt inside virtual-machines. Or if you are a big corporation and worried about security risks.
Basically, it boils down to that there is no good 'device-separation' (IOMMU) between the thunderbolt connection and other devices on the chipset (like SATA, ethernet), potentially allowing a device connected to the thunderbolt to read the memory of the other devices (security risk) and not allowing pass-through of the TB to a virtual machine without passing-through the whole chipset.
Things like this (poor chipset design) have been a long-lasting problem with AMD chipsets, and one of the primary reasons I'm still on Intel
I wonder if the X570 ProArt variant suffers from the same IOMMU problem. Has anyone tested it?
Omg i remember that keyboard!
Look it was good and solid board for creators.tb 4 that's good and like.
"DIsplayPort In"
Is that what I think it is?!
why can't X570 have dual TB3?
Some do via an AIC like my x570 pro4m
beware that the bandwidth is not just shared by the last pcie. It is either pcie or thunderbolt. If any card is installed in the slot, thunderbolt is disabled. That means that If you want to keep the main slot at 16x there you can't add any other pcie cards !!
i went with the x570 pro art creator instead. TB is independant from the slots on this one !
Have you looked at the IOMMU groups? On the B550 board, all chipset I/O is in a single group (15). Furthermore, I would like to know, if there is an option to select the discrete graphics card to boot from, in Gigabyte BIOS the option is called Initial Display Output. The user manual for this board does not mention all the BIOS options, unfortunately.
How to handle Intel’s latest Thunderbolt drivers - also on this motherboard:
1) Don’t let the system be connected to the Internet
2) Decompress Intel’s latest Thunderbolt drivers package
3) Manually install all the Thunderbolt .inf files in the decompressed folders
4) Reboot
5) Connect to the Internet so that the Thunderbolt management GUI software can be automatically downloaded from the Microsoft store
It sucks but I’m done fighting with it.
So what happens if I put two 3090s in there? Will the Board be a bottleneck?
If you want to use 16 lanes for both cards, you need a TRX40 chipset and Threadripper CPU. With B550 or X570, two graphics cards are connected with PCIe 4.0 x8. Normally, this is acceptable, but the 3090 is the highest end graphics card available, and the performance loss can be noticeable.
@@astarothmarduk3720 thank you! I think the loss would be aprox. 4% per 3090... but I've also learned that by the time I need the performance an upgrade might make more sense anyway
display port in and out, make the think we are back in the Vudu video cared days
we used to service the AS 400 for a health food shop in the UK....
Not sure why Wendell doesn't recommend having two GPU's for rendering. I have two dual slot 2080ti's on mine working just fine with an added eGPU into thunderbolt. No issues for months now. Otherwise, great review.
Asus X570S Creator motherboard in hand yet?
Exactly what I want to know as well.
I want one for a DAW…..
This board is sitting on my wish list . I normally use ASUS Mobos. Learning Unreal Engine presently.
Was here
most _appealing_ about this build.. lol
_engagement_
A X570S version with 10Gbe would be nice, but please keep the PS/2 port. ASRock has the "almost" perfect X570 Creator board, but it has its quirks and is a bit dated now. Maybe they'll update with with X570S and a TB4 controller.... or not.
aaaand Asus clearly listened. There is a ProArt X570-Creator on the way with 10Gbe! Supports slot bifurcation so you can use an additional M.2 slot off of CPU. No chipset fan too since its a X570S design.
and I just bought the X570 version of this board. I'll let you know how it works out. Kinda miffed that they removed the PS/2 port (think of the Model M fans!) and two PCIe x1 slots. Being able to use the x4 slot AND the TB4 ports is a must for me though.
appealing... lol. I see what you did there.
Very thorough overview, your videos are extremely helpful!
I just bought this board 💚
Do you think this motherboard will work find with a 5950x that I bought and a rtx3090?
I heard that some people had WHEA errors with their 5950x.
The gpu is a EVGA RTX 3090 FTW3 ULTRA. The spec sheet on newegg says (11.81" x 5.38") and (2.75 Slot). Do you think it being "2.75 slots wide" would be a problem fitting into the motherboard!?
One last main concern I currently have is the RAM. I purchased 2x32gb 4000mhz cl 18 Trident Z Neo ram (Model F4-4000C18D-64GTZN). My worry is that model number does not show up on Asus' website:
(www.asus.com/us/Motherboards-Components/Motherboards/ProArt/ProArt-B550-CREATOR/HelpDesk_QVL_Memory/)
I was hoping i'd be able to run these at either 3200 cl14, or 3600 cl16 or maybe even cl14, though I have never customized ram speed and timings before. I wonder if my ram cards will work or if I should exchange them immediately for something that shows up on their website? Although the supported memory models listed on their website don't seem to have optimal fast cl timing options when it comes to 2x32gb Trident Neo cards.
I was between this board and the Gigabyte Vision DP and the Asrock x570 Creation. The x570 Creation seemed to have all the bells and whistles including 10gbe but the design of this board and i/o colors, off the bat Zen 3 compatibility, and intrigue over the "crystal sound" won me over.
Asus historically has had godawful Thunderbolt implementation on their motherboards. The best example I can think of is the setup Linus Sebastian was trying to do in his home with the keyboard, mouse, and monitor hooked up via thunderbolt to a faraway rack unit. With an Asus mobo it was giving him nothing but problems, but the moment he switched to Gigabyte (IIRC) it all worked great.
Can I have this please….
HA appealing!
G How appealing
ruclips.net/video/e_PfcEuRaFA/видео.html Wendell: ** hand passes transparently through rear of PC case ** me: confused *camera angle changes* me: Oh
No mentioning of the absurd “NO SECURITY”-only Thunderbolt operation?
You have bigger problems when someone has physical access to your workstation.
Well there might also be outdated older Thunderbolt devices where the firmware might have been compromised so you don’t directly notice it when you are doing something malicious to yourself.
People going on and on about mechanical keyboards these days. I just have a super old Dell one I got for free.
i love my mechanical keyboard for gaming, but holy fuck do i ever hate it for typing... it's just waaaaay to sensitive. the amount of times i accidentally clicked enter and post half of a message to my friends on discord is so damn annoying
No tpm module connector No good for Windows 11 is any motherboard reviewed without this worth considering unless you use Linux. Is any motherboard review worthy if they don't mention this omission.
AMD has the solution with ftpm I think.
fTPM that fully supports TPM 2.0 and Windows 11 says hello.
Tpm connector is just above the CPU m.2 socket.
is that plastic over the chipset? 🤣🤣 ...well, at least it looks like you can remove it xD