wHY DoN'T CaRS uSE V14 EnGiNES?
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- Опубликовано: 23 авг 2024
- Why Don't Supercars use V14 Engines? Why do Lamborghinis only use V12 Engines? Why Don't Production Cars use V14's? It's not that V12's are the limit of size, as 16 Cylinder engines exist, such as the Cizeta V16T, Bugatti Chiron, or Devel Sixteen.
So what you're saying is we should ask for a V20
That's the spirit 😂
Go big or go home W 30
Double W 50 now that's the spirit
@@Jawd3544 radial 70
I like yo spirit 😂
You seriously made a Minecraft V14 for a Video?? Crazy dedication
More like I already had it laying around. 🤣
@@BladedAngelbut you made it?
@@Fee.1bro my watermark is literally in the sky. I streamed it on Cartaku like a year ago
@@BladedAngeli dont think he was denying the fact that you actually made it i think he was just impressed and un disbelief because even i who has been watching your channel for years had no clue you even played minecraft
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So what I’m hearing is we need is to build a W-40.
Could also make it diesel, and call it a WD-40.
LMAO
Y'all are getting up too creative😄
You absolute mad lad 😂
Let me guess. It runs on WD-40?
@@RealNameNeverUsed last I checked diesel isn’t WD-40
"as you'll find them within shi-"
60 second cutoff got me lmao. Honestly, perfectly timed for humor sake in this context.
LOL
Oh, guess i gotta delete mine now, hadn't seen that this literal comment was already here
The cut off made me laugh, caught me off guard
Fuck there is a V14 engine in my shit. Better go visit a doctor😂
Bugatti is making a v16 engine for their new car. Also damn that's a nice Minecraft build
Yo really? Damn, The CHONKY W16 bouta have a LONGBOI V16 cousin lmao
if any car manufacturer where to make a V14, who would take the plunge first? i vote is Pagani (probably spelled wrong).
@@BladedAngelit sounds amazing too
@@lc5957you actually spelled it right!
@@lc5957or maybe Koenigsegg, if they decide their twin turbo V8 isn't enough
this video was just an excuse for bladed to flex his redstone skills on us
Crazy part is, this isn't even close to my largest build. 💀
@@BladedAngelmaybe create a second channel so we can see those builds?
@@BladedAngel teach me the ways of the digital combustion engine
@@2nukitv218 I would watch it
@@2nukitv218 In the works, will debut in late spring! Currently waiting on Trademarks and Co-host to sort out her setup.
Bugatti: hold my W16
*Produces V16*
New video idea:
_"Why don't Cars use V24 engines?"_
Too long!
@@GumGumBoy5the vid or the car?
Bugatti veyron is W24
@@Saif-zf9vbW16
New Video: Why Don't car automakers make a V48 😁
I did a static balance project on a straight-7 engine in grad school. If you play with crank throws and firing order, you can get a 7-cylinder bank pretty well-balanced!
can you make such an engine for my jaguar please thank you ill give you 50 bucks or so
@@alexander-mauricemillamlae4567I'll do it for 40...
Bugatti announced they’re putting a V16 in their next car. It’s gonna be so dope.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the Mclaren F1 was going to have a V14 before the budget was running low. Hell, I've been trying to think of a high revving V14 to design myself just for shits and giggles. I mostly just want to hear how it would sound
Correct! I Couldn't fit that info in this short though! I want to make a full video on V4 and V14's and other quirky engines soon, since I learned a lot about why cars don't "use" them.
Benna as AI... To produce that sound...
Every thing would be good until you gighle and shi-
I never knew that Bladed plays Minecraft.
The V14 build is awesome!
"Cheaper" is a relative term, 80/20 rule, 80% of max speed is achievable with these supercars, getting that last 20% of performance is basically financially impossible.
Innovation shouldn't be dependent on money tho. For example Bugatti Veyron was a huge gamble for VW (take this with a grain of salt, I don't remember where I heard this) but it payed off
“So, if you want to hear the roar of a V14, you’ll have to turn to the sea, where you’ll currently find them in SHI-“
Odd number of cylinders do somewhat work, but 7 is just really hard to balance.
You are dividing by 720 for 4 stroke engines, so an inline 3 fires a cylinder at every 240 degrees of crank rotation, inline 5's do at 144 (why they rev so slowly, they need a lot of counterbalance), and a theoretical 9 would be every 80 degrees, but by that point your crankshaft is so long it doesn't make sense, and a crank that long would be heavy, so it would rev up even slower then i5's do
And then 7 is 102.857..., so even worse. They do exist, but aa far as I know only in ships, or as generators, where they barely rev, so they aren't stressed and their imbalance doesn't really matter
But why that specific number for these engines as well? Thats kinda the part that i dont really understand. I heard number of cylinders main influence is the balance of torque and power, where 2 engines with the same displacement but diferent cylinders, the higher cylinder count help with speed while the one with lower count has bigger cylinders allowing for more torque.
@@unkindled6410 what 720°?
Because 4 strokes (intake, compression, power, exhaust) needs the piston to move up and down twice to complete 1 cycle, so it needs 2 crankshaft revelations (or revs). 2 crankshaft revelations means the crank turns 720°. If someone was brave (or stupid) enough to make it a 2 stroke, that would be 360° of crank rotation, so for an inline 7 would be 360/7=51.4285... degrees between a cylinder firing
@@istvanlorinczi2817 i was refering to cylinder count. Like, why do gigantic engines such as those for boats and powerplants choose 14 cylinders?
@@unkindled6410 could honestly be just the manufacturer's capacity. 7 is already pretty uncommon to see, and while inline 8s did exist, 9 would probably be too long of a block to make, or something.
Or maybe someone far smarter then me calculated that a really large displacement, basically idling inline 7 would produce enough torque without stressing the engine too much, so an 8 cylinder would be too much, and a 6 would rev too high, causing unnecessary wear and maintenance needs
I don’t know anything about cars or engines so I’m curious could it work as a boxer engine or a W 14? Or does that not matter?
The true reason why is that is impossible to make a straight 7 and a V14 that's is even fire, because 720:7 is a broken number, and 720:14 also is, so you basically can't make it without being shaky (even with complex engine balance), making it unviable for automobiles...
Dum person here🙋♂️ where did that 720 come from?
@@mohamedansary3478 It's the amount of degrees that a full combustion cycle takes, since the 4 stroke engine spins two full cycles to complete a single combustion cycle.
@@leomux2004 Oooh thank you😁
@@mohamedansary3478there's always something new to learn, even for the most hardcore of enthusiasts, so don't worry about it, no one's gonna laugh at you for not knowing mathematical stuff from engines because most of the time only engineers do, and most people who modify/build engines don't need that information anyways, so it's redundant unless you're starting from absolute scratch and making your own block, pistons, crankshaft, ect.
"Without it being shaky, which makes it unviable for automobiles"
*every cammed LS engine ever has entered the chat*
I used to work on a ship with some straight 7 engines. Two stroke diesel with twin superchargers and a massive turbo. Pretty weird stuff. I have also seen some straight 14 and 18 as well.
Bro promoted minecraft in many languages 💀☠️
High end supercars build v12’s because they are inherently balanced. This means they don’t need counter weights on the crank shaft or balance shafts to mitigate vibration. Counter weights and counter shafts both cause parasitic losses that cost engine power and reduce throttle response.
Supercar manufacturers also use the v10 solely because of the sound. No other engine configuration can produce an exhaust note so pleasing to the ear than a v10 with its exhaust note that’s a perfect 5th.
Speaking about V16... Germany tried it already with a BMW in the past, the engine was so big the cooling was put in the back
Fun fact, the only mass produced inline 7 sits in the agricultural machines made by agro, which own companies like John Deere and Challenger
Not too mention a lot of V12's are just 2 V6's smashed together. It saves a TON on engineering and development
A fact I’ve never thought about - and now I’d love to see
Now the real question is, could you fit a v14 in a miata? 🤔
nice weight distribution dude
If you make the cylinders small enough.
If you can fit a v16 in a Miata, then there's no problem fitting a v14 in it
Didn't know i'd find v14s in my toilet...
Im gonna slap some wheels on my ship and a mangnaflow exhaust and hear that baby roar
This one channel alone taught me more things than school has
The cuttoff at the end was perfect 😂 "you'll find them in shi*"
Where did you learn the redstone to make an ICE in Minecraft?
On stream on my other channel. I also made v8s v12s etc.
@@BladedAngel Oh, nice. Do you have the world download?
I will never share those, sorry@@a-lambo-boi
@@BladedAngel nah, I get you, that's fine.
Exactly, this is why no cars have V6s. They have an odd cylinder ratio. Look I am not educated very much in engines, but this information appears specious.
Lots of cars have v6s.. it's actually quite common
@@mrlegkick91 Well, of course, I own a V6. I was criticizing his information on why V14 don’t exist.
The thing about 6 cylinders is that if you divide 720 degrees ÷ 6 cylinders, you get a whole number of 120, that being the split between crankshaft journals, as well as bank angle. So a perfectly balanced V6 has crank throws at 120 degrees apart with a 120-degree bank angle (I believe ferrari has one). Now, most V6s are 60 - or 90-degree bank angles. This mostly has to do with smaller packaging or shares tooling with other engines.
Where 7 cylinders, 720 degrees ÷ 7 = a repeating number, it comes out to something like 102.857....
This means a 7 cylinder is incredibly hard to balance at high RPM, because there isn't an even interval like, 3, 5, or even 9 cylinder engines. There are some examples of 7 and 14 cylinder engines, but like he mentions in this video almost all are exclusively industrial. So Low RPM high torque applications.
V14 engines would suffer the same balancing issues as a inline 7 especially because it shares the same crankshaft assuming a 51.42857... degree bank angle, to make it 'balanced'.
TLDR: Literally it is better in a supercar to have something that is easily and/or naturally balanced like a V12 or V16. Hell the maclaren F1 had a V12 without a flywheel, they are that well balanced. A V14 or I7 would require massive counterweights, balance shafts, and a large flywheel to make it smooth enough to rev high. Completely taking away the throttle response that super cars are known for.
An engine recreated in Minecraft with redstone, now that's quite funny.
Displacement is a huge role in this! I work in a shop and most engines we work on are high end long lasting engines like straight fours and v6s. Diesels are also incredible, but it all depends on cost and balance like you said. 5 cylinders are extremely hard to balance!
Also a reason why we do not have v14 is that you can make a v16 by fusing two V8s and you can make a v12 by either fusing two straight 6 engines or two V6 straight 7 are not used in road cras or at all as far as i know so you would have to make a conpletely new block
GM used to make a 4.3 V6 in the same family as their LT V8's. So you put one head from a V6 and one head from a V8 on each bank......
Never realized a V5 was a thing
Well, it's not V. It's an inline engine.
VW had a 2.3l V5 in production for 10 ten years; 1997-2006. It was a narrow angle 15-degree V that fit both 'banks' under one cylinder head. The VW VR5 was based on their VR6 which had the same 15-degree V. Yes. A V5 does exist. It was produced. And it was not an inline engine.
it was pretty uncommon, most were inline 5s and even then 5 cylinder engines are barely used in general these days
There's also the honda motorbike V5
It's a weird inline engine wich has an angled crankshaft so that each piston can be smooshed closer to the next, making kind of a W pattern, but since V engines wich have said layout are the ones named W engines it's named something else
Bugattti with the V16 in the future:🗣️🔥
Subbed just from seeing that you made that minecraft thing (even tho i never played minecraft ever)
"As you find them within SHIT"?!
IS THAT TEKKEN 2 NINA THEME??
yessir
the fact that you made a v14 in Minecraft just made me sub 😂
The way the video ended 😂😂😂
Same reason there’s no v7’s
And V16 in Bugattis…
This seems to be a good year for cars so far!
W16
@@rickvdl2825nope V16. Bugatti said this time theyre makint a V16 not a W16
You know what, guys?! Let's make a 8.0L Gas V14 engine ourselves!!!
the end lol
"Youll find them within shi-"
Thats not quite how engine balancing works. There's a lot of complicated math behind it but a v12 is inherently perfectly balanced, which makes it unique among v engines because it's the only (commonly used) one to achieve that. A v6 is nearly perfectly balanced, but the next amount of cylinders that would be balanced is a v24. This all stems from the inline 6 configuration being the lowest number of cylinder configuration to be inherently balanced by design.
A V6 would be well balanced with a 120° V angle, but as far as I know all commercial V6s use V angles of 90°≥... At 120° you may as well go all in and make it 180° for a flat engine.
a 2 cylinder boxer with a split connecting rod has perfect primary balance and no rocking couple, and i need to double check but I think it also has perfect secondary balance
A cross-plane V8 is perfectly balanced if the counterweights are properly designed.
@@hWat-Ever idk about the v6, even with a bigger angle there would still be a rocking couple. and about the boxer, the boxer is nearly perfectly balanced, but the slight offset to the side between each oposing piston creates a small rocking couple
@@andyharman3022 wow, didn't know that. is that why americans love to use v8s so much? (i'm from europe, there aren't many v8s around here)
As you’ll find them within shit
LOL
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Remember Baby from Big Tymers is getting a custom built machine, a Mercedes Benz 700 V14
I went to scroll away then I saw your profile picture and went "is that ISAF??" 😂 Hello Mobius 1 and fellow Ace :)
Idk wby but "You'll have to turn to the seas" made me laugh more than it should have 😂😂
Damb bladed those are some goated building and red stone skills twp quick question can you pvp and pc or consle
I had Honda Ascot with inline 5 engine. Hell of the ride
A V 14 would be difficult to synchronize. V 8 and V 16 synchronize to the same beat as a V 4, at 90 degree intervals. V 6 and V 12 synchronize to the same beat as well, to 120 degree angles. Try to do that with a V 14, it’s far more difficult.
Bugatti about to take on this challenge
Cylinder numbers in engines are based on engine stroke angle which is 180 degrees and the angle of completion of an engine cycle -- 360 degrees for 2-stroke engines and 720 degrees for 4-stroke engines. 180, 360, and 720 are multiples of 2, 3, and 5, which are the first three prime numbers.
It's also on how much tensile strength that is with in the metal,parts are to think but also hot to would cause a structural failure,
Damn that Redstone build is insane! Can you make a whole car with Redstone? Because with this skill you may actually can!
This just makes me think of the Cadillac Sixteen. Damn i wish they would've made that
If you are going to mention a V10 because of it's odd number of cylinders per bank. You should also mention the extremely common V6 that also has a odd number of cylinders per bank with 3.
It would also get harder and harder to make reliable crankshafts for them as they get longer, part of the reason v16s are uncommon
If I’m not mistaken they are just gonna make some Chirons with the V16 engine
V6 has an odd number of cylinders in each bank is a very popular engine architecture
A Straight Six is evenly balanced across all the three axes hence it has hardly any vibrations. A V-12 is effectively two Straight Six engines clubbed together to enhance performance and reduce the operational costs.
Hence, if you already have the power equivalent of two unicorn engines in your vehicle which have reached their limit of perfection, there is no more need of adding cylinders in the configuration.
The roar of a 100,000 litre V14 diesel ship engine, gotta love it!
I like how the end of it made it sound like instead of ships it sound like he was going to say shet
So ur telling me a ship goes vrum vrum..
Bughatti is just flexing by making a more complicated engine that anyone else. 4, 6, 8, and 12 cylinders just make more sense than the other exotic configurations and anything else is kinda niche.
Can you do a guide on lifetime maintenance for the m178 engine. Maybe through in the rear axle box
Lol that cut off💀
Lol the end was " you will find them in shi-"
An inline 6 has perfect primary and secondary balance (does not normally require a counterbalancer). A V12 engine is made up of two banks of inline6s running on a single crankshaft
The man that made that minecraft engine is an amazing human being❤
it's of course a matter of size as well. Which is exactly why the only 16cylinder engine that was put in a production car (with more than double digit sales numbers) is a W16, i.e. the length of a V8.
Would love to see more vr engines
I never thought of this before 😂 👍
Beautiful red stone skills my boy
another thing is that 360 cant be divided by 14 and for the same reason there arent any inline 7. i think that they exist on ships because they turn slowly at 100 rpm so less vibrations
More like ship has dual-chamber 2 stroke engine. Balancing isn't that big of deal anyway
You can't divide 360 by 7 or 14, but you can divide a cake into 7 or 14 equal pieces
Perfect illustration when forming 7 into a bank.
Everybody gangsta until Bugatti makes a v16 (btw they did)..
I gotta try out that build at some point, it looks sick.
It's mostly because a lot of high cylinder count engines are somewhat modular. V16s are designed from 2 existing v8sand v12s are designed from 2 existing inline 6s. Dodge v10 is a 340v8 with 2 cylinders added. A v14 would pretty much be a 100% new design and cost as much.
So far I do now that a formula 1 team BRM had an H16 which was two v8 banks on top of one another. It was very unreliable. I hear they also had a V16 at one point, but I’m not sure about that.
Ultimately I do think because a crankshaft needs to rotate 360 degrees, you start looking for combinations where each piston drives a certain degree of the rotation. That would in my mind help map out the firing sequence. Now, I’m not an automotive engineer so I may get this wrong, but just about every combination of common engine could fall into this.
V12-30° Per Cylinder
V10-36° PC
V8-45° PC
I6/V6-60° PC
I5-72°PC
I4-90° PC
W16-22.5° PC which feels like the outlier
I would to see a V14 or W14 engine some day
Bro the Minecraft 😂
I was actually thinking up ways to fit a radial 27 into a car, haven’t quite figured out the placement yet
Screw that, I want a car with an INLINE 16. Sure, you may be able to park a Ford Focus on the hood, but just imagine how cool that would be.
Cizeta's V16 engine consists of two V8 Lamborghini uracco engines connected back to back :D
Its not a “ehhh i cant be fcked doing this” or “this is to expensive” it actually boils down to the fact that there are more disadvantages to the engine such as length, height, imbalances. Two engine configurations are perfectly balanced (first and second order forces), that’s the straight-6 and 60°-V12. Both pay for this in length, the only car I can remember off-hand to have a transversally mounted V12 was the Lamborghini Miura. That makes for a tight squeeze.
The perfect outtro
Also the bank angle would be 51.43 degrees unless the engine had split crank pins which both of these wouldn't be feasible since v12 uses 60 degrees already used in v6 and v16 uses 90 degrees found in v8 engines. V16 can also use 45 degrees which is just half of 90. V14 would then be an engine that would require so much more r&d to do something that has no advantage over v12 or v16. Plus cylinder count doesn't really matter that much if your engine can already happily rev to a high rpm when it is a 12 cylinder.
i didn’t know moist had a second channel
it also has to do with crankshaft twist, the longer the engine, the more likely the crankshaft will twist or bow
Then again that’s like asking why there isn’t an inline 7
I was about to say “what about a V6? Lol
There’s also a V16 in the infamous Devel Sixteen hyper car
If you want to hear the roar of a v14 you have to go to the sea as you'll find them in shi-
The reason there's no small v14 is because 720 degrees of crankshaft rotation is what 4 cycle engines need to make every single firing of each cylinder happen, you get a number with a decimal point if you divide 720 by 14. The firing intervals would be very unbalanced and it would cause a very bad vibration over a few hundred rpms, most giant ship v14s never see more than 200 or so rpms, so the potential for vibration isnt there.
minecraft redstone had me rolling 😂
4 stroke engines with one piston have a firing interval each 720 degress, right? If you have a V8 that is between firings your crank shaft will rotate 720/8 = 90 degrees. If you have a V4 (you have a flat four) = 720/4 = 180 degrees. Yep, firing interval matches the angle of the V between both cylinder banks to ensure equilibrium. Thus what happens with a V14 = 720/14 = 51.42 (which is not ideal as it is an irrational number).
Wait, so these cars that literally cost millions of dollars because they're allegedly so finely-tuned and meticulously engineered with extremely high-quality components, won't go to 16-cylinder because.... It's too hard and expensive???
I mean, V10 do exist and each bank has odd number of cylinders.
And v6 and v2