Link VS Cloud (Legend of Zelda VS Final Fantasy VII) | DEATH BATTLE!

[@Daitomodachi]

Yo Dai here, one of the animators for this Deathbattle. Wanna thank the Deathbattle team for allowing us to animate this rematch using Blender. It was one of the hardest projects I've ever worked on, but it was worth it. Hope you guys like more what the Blender team has in store.

[@TheLaserLordLOL]

You guys did amazing!

[@KlyntarNage666]

Props to you for the amazing animation

[@juubi249]

You did an absolutely fantastic job with this, thank you so much!

[@onboro7707]

Here to tell you that that fight was amazing! So intense, had me on the edge of my seat the whole time, especially towards the end!

[@Sean_Bird]

You guys made a great battle!

[@nathanielgrindstaff4909]

I don't know about anyone else, but I am totally convinced that Link started this fight just because Cloud was going five miles over the speed limit.

[@sanbi221]

And Cloud finished it because Link broke those pots.

[@cormchaos2810]

I died laughing. Why is that so true tbh 😂

[@foxshock5571]

Actually, this is a prequel of Super Smash Bros.
It show how Cloud got in Smash.

[@thedarkoracle4807]

@@foxshock5571 Does Link remember events from his past life, or is each Link effectively a new character?

[@zanelebushgenie270]

@@thedarkoracle4807 every link is a new person

[@alexacortes579]

Link pausing to break all the pots has me weak in the knees it’s too funny and too accurate

[@Chromaray]

I think I heard a heart sound effect so it's like breaking all the containers in a boss room.

[@thundergaming155]

Or pots under the gandorf arena in ocarina of time.

[@quicksilver5789]

I thought it was about getting more health, but the absolute gleaming smile on his face as he saw and ran up to the first pot proves it was just because he loves breaking them.

[@NTRWL69]

The fact that Cloud cares about that garden pot more than Link makes me laugh everytime

[@CloudStrife8894]

Here's the thing with the pots though, Those pots and this is true because those pots belong to a close friend of mine that was killed by the hands of sephiroth.

[@worldscoolestperson7672]

@CloudStrife8894
thats rough, buddy.

[@matheusdiefenthaeler5342]

Oh Link probably care about these pots more than Cloud, just not in the way Cloud expected ...

[@nadavcohen3721]

Cloud: *rides motorcycle*
Link: "and I took that personally"

[@Jorgito-zq5iu]

Fr my man was chilling

[@quirinkanada2111]

Cloud took it personal when he started breaking the pots

[@teddlo9669]

*More like:*
*Link:* "Hup. Hiya! HAIYA!"

[@xheralt]

How in the hell did Link end up with a 300hp "horse", and when did he learn how to drive?

[@tinywomanhours]

@Yol Riin Lask pretentious much?

[@wellthathappened9435]

I can’t get over the fact that Link stopped fighting just to smash some pots, my man

[@beipiaosaurus]

The sound effects do indicate he found a rupy.

[@pigifi]

wouldn't be link if he doesn't smash pottery.

[@juura78]

Cloud was a gentle man and saved a very innocent pot

[@Hyperneosonic97]

@@juura78 Also stopping Link from vandalizing the late Aerith's favourite place.

[@JaelinBezel]

Especially because that's what he does during boss fights too (to look for hearts) and, as evidenced by The Fierce Diety's Mask, this WAS a boss fight.

[@melast4928]

I already guessed that Cloud would have won. But honestly for Link being just a human vs a literal superhuman he put up a good fight.

[@EntombedToast70]

Best part? Link probably just revived later on

[@porkcracklins630]

@@EntombedToast70 Or he didn't resurrect for a thousand years. It really depends on what the 3 goddesses need him for.

[@EntombedToast70]

@@porkcracklins630 true

[@pipzgutz]

Isn't link an elf?

[@EntombedToast70]

@@pipzgutz not really, most hylians die around 120-140, certainly long lived but not elves

[@davidmilton5473]

I like how when it starts to rain you can hear link playing the ocarina. That was a nice detail that i noticed

[@ikeillue8385]

I mean, considering that it was Link playing the ocarina that caused it to rain, it makes sense.

[@valor1omega]

And it gave link's position away.

[@jacobh3426]

He played the song of storms

[@goatresx1799]

Link: breaks Aerith’s pots
Cloud: *peace was never an option*

[@scotmmical2707]

Aerith x cloud forever

[@the300club8]

😅😅😂

[@RelativelyBest]

Cloud: Wants to protect pots.
Link: Breaks any pots he sees.
My God. They're _natural enemies!_

[@spidergoat533]

Watching link destroy pots without remorse was hilarious,

[@SDSXellan]

Idk, seems like your standard rpg game

[@smashbro67]

Fitting that Link cares less about the fight and more about breaking pottery.

[@oofergoofer1029]

Had me dying

[@TickedOffPriest]

Cloud cared more about saving the pottery.

[@Gameguy5289]

That and how Cloud was less focused about destroying stuff. Shows how different their games are. Zelda's has items in pots and FF has theirs in fight drops and stores.

[@dp9139]

That was awesome! I'm so happy the show has been remade, it's beautiful.
The end was no surprise though, Link is from an action game based on riddles while Cloud is from a fantasy x space opera game based on super powers.

[@Tinyangel12]

@@dp9139 now that I say that... I can see why he lost now XD

[@morrigancollins2092]

I'd love to see this fight again now that Link has Tears of the Kingdom to draw on. Mechs aren't on par with summons but it'd still be fun to see Bahamut and ToTK mechs trading lasers, at least until the mech's batteries ran out.

[@themonkeyman2910]

Cloud when Link builds a floating mass of beam emmitters and construct heads:

[@TheBenchLord]

​@@themonkeyman2910Can't wait for Link vs Cloud 3 when Link pulls out a Gundam

[@wickian9571]

I get that they take everything from the media of the characters at face value to try and keep things "fair", but taking the Super Nova at face value and scaling Cloud to that level of durability(capable of tanking an actual super nova and then standing back up and dusting himself off) is just absurd lol.

[@dusk_phoenix07]

I don't think it would make much of a difference, especially if you consider Cloud when he reaches his full potential.

[@SurprisedFireflies-ik4kt]

Third time's the charm lol

[@Miko_Hanamori]

The only reason why Link lost is because they didn't include his speedrunner form

[@mysterykiddo2167]

LOL

[@AwesomeMooseSmile]

I still really want a death battle between speedrunner Link or Mario from the N64 games versus a RUclips poop character like Carlton Banks or Spingebill

[@CityBoySeb]

Cloud: *survives a Supernova to the face*
Zack: *dies from bullets*

[@SenjiroAkechi]

I mean, cloud got hurt by bullets too in advent children. Literally right after ff7.

[@TheTrueHolyDarkness]

Also Cloud: *gets stabbed by sephiroth.*
Sephiroth: *gets counter-stabbed by cloud and thrown meters into the lifestream, but is perfectly fine later. So is cloud.*
Dyne: *successfully commits suicide by jumping off a cliff after that whole barret episode.*
Tifa: *gets slashed by sephiroth and falls down at least two stories worth of stairs. nah she's fine.*
Aerith: *gets stabbed by sephiroth yet no amount of healing magic works all of a sudden(?).*
Zack: *gets sniped and just plain drops dead.*
Cloud: *sniped by a bullet that **_CLEARLY runs him through_** at the end of advent children. anti-climatically gets up two seconds later, no damage to his sweater (wut?).*
Durability feats are HELLUVA inconsistent in FF7. It's just plain poor writing on FF7's part, and my greatest pet peeve with it's storytelling. I don't mean to bash everything about FF7's writing, but there's little to no tension in their fights precisely because there's no telling what's meant to be a "lethal wound" in their world. Too much anime-logic in how injuries work in their world if you ask me.
It's one of the things I really appreciate about the FFXV: Kingslayer movie. Square's writers finally learned to treat a character getting injured as actually _getting injured._
If I told you that I work for Square-Enix, and that in the next big FVII update we're going to mix things up by having Yuffie, Vincent, and/or Cid getting sniped and/or stabbed with a piece of rhubarb (during a cutscene), as a fan, you'd have no idea as to whether or not you should be concerned with how we're "changing things." Wouldn't you?

[@TheTrueHolyDarkness]

EDIT: One last observation...
Cloud: *can survive supernova, so naturally this makes him too durable for Link to handle*
The rest of the Avalanche Cast: *can also survive supernova*
By this logic, any member of AVALANCE is just plain too tanky to be stopped by the likes of say, Samus Aran's plasma beams, let alone Link, right?
Fire Lord Ozai? More like Fire Loser Osai as far as Barrett's immune black ass is concerned.
Not even the Phoenix Force could ever hope to put a dent into Yuffie Kisaragi! She's too stronk against flame!
Superman's heat vision against the MIGHTY CAITH SITH?! Hardy har har. Such tactics are nothing before the almighty supernova durability feat. CAITH MOTHERFUCKIN SITH eats thousands of years worth of the Sun's energy output for breakfast!
*Also according to Deathbattle.*
Tifa Lockhart loses to Yang Xiao Long, a martial artist character whose signature super-power is called "Burn."

[@x0uzumakinaruto0x]

@@TheTrueHolyDarkness I am in no way saying you're wrong, but I am giving what I think could be somewhat reasonable explanations. I'm not saying "actually it works like this," just how I think.
Sephiroth could have missed vital organs. It's not impossible that Cloud would survive. After all, we know Sephiroth likes to play with his toys before he breaks them.
The lifestream is insane and Sephiroth is essentially a clone of Jenova. Not surprised he survived.
Dyne was a regular human. He fell and bashed his head probably who knows how many times, and didn't even struggle.
Tifa could have gotten a shallow wound, doing more surface damage than real damage. Again, Sephi likes to play with his toys before he breaks them. As for the stairs, as long as she didn't break her neck, she'd come out with a few nasty bruises, but overall, okay.
I still don't know about Aerith, but my idea is that dying and being K.O.'d is very different. Given how cheap materia and healing items can be, I feel that they cannot actually bring someone back to life. They can only resuscitate an unconscious person. That said, when Aerith got stabbed, I imagine is was right through the heart.

[@kirara2516]

@@SenjiroAkechi what you should be asking is, after Cloud gets hit by Yazoo, he then actually 'dies' by an explosion of Yazoo and Loz overloading their materia. Apparently exploding materia at point blank range is stronger than an exploding sun? I suppose we should be thankful Aerith and Zack decided to send him back from the lifestream.

[@redvelvet7706]

Such a little but neat detail is when the song of storms was not just part of the score, but altered the weather in order for Link to draw power from lightning. Love that.

[@juubi249]

I also love the slowed down, almost sort of mysterious feel the song of storms had in the score, it was so good

[@deathnights-bane3301]

I mean yes, but better songs could have been played to change the tide of battle

[@MichaelMurphy-wv4so]

I love that Cloud cares about property while Link is just vandalizing everything in sight lol 😅

[@sombra-fy5oi]

That's the single most brutal Omnislash I've ever seen. Even Sephiroth wasn't cut in half

[@ikeillue8385]

Personally, I think if they were going to go brutal with it, they should have gone all the way. Basically, have every slash cut a piece off Link (or have the cuts build up, and he just falls apart at the end.).

[@sombra-fy5oi]

@@ikeillue8385 Yeah, but then him splitting the freaking triforce at the end wouldn't have really hit as hard

[@ikeillue8385]

@@sombra-fy5oi Fair point. Though, technically speaking, the whole splitting the triforce thing never should have happened in the first place, since the triforce has never been used in such a manner before. But you are correct.

[@sombra-fy5oi]

@@ikeillue8385 I'm no lore expert, i just see big shiny powerful thing get cleaved in half by angry guy with 50 swords

[@ikeillue8385]

@@sombra-fy5oi Again, fair point.

[@tabby5228]

Best part was link stopping to destroy the pottery, and Cloud catching pottery to save it.

[@trythelight8319]

It was just *so* in character and had me laughing! The battle was also quite tense when it needed to be, second guessing my expectations each moment!

[@mattjohnson8585]

It even looked like Link kept trying for it and would have just ignored Cloud XD

[@justarandomguy54]

That was hilarious.

[@JD4Christ]

You don't break Aerith flower pots while Clouds around lol

[@AhmedAhmed-zm7dv]

If you don’t like the outcome,
Settle it in Smash!!

[@bradhedgehog12]

Oh boy here we go. But my opinion still stands. I hope Link Wins again....but on the other Hand if Cloud wins the That makes them even. There both my main fighters of Smash Bros Anyways. Cloud can be worthy to Defeat Ganon though as proof as I did as Cloud taking on OOT Ganon Adventure mode Hardest lvl there is

[@standard1703]

@@bradhedgehog12 in terms of sheer strength and speed Cloud definitely wins, but Link has tons of tools. Both are great innovators and can think on their toes. I think the only thing that Link has over Cloud is a strong willpower and confidence in himself and his capabilities, and a shield. Since these guys use in-game stats and not story canon I know for a fact Link is still gonna be buffed wayy up and Cloud is gonna get nerfed, but regardless of the winner the fight will still be entertaining. Cloud and Link are both long time favorites so I could be satisfied with either winner

[@bradhedgehog12]

@@standard1703 Agree. Both boys again are my Main Smash Bro Fighters. And I think They make a good team.

[@chhaysour5241]

Wario vs King Dedede in a nutshell.

[@nooder0ni]

@@standard1703 Link also has the experience going for him. Like, by a LOT. Remember, he's basically the same soul being forced to reincarnate over multiple generations just to thwart the plans of literal Gods and Demons(and beat the ever living crap outta them, too). He ain't no ordinary fairy, boi.

[@TheSuperSmashBros01]

0:41 Intro
1:06 Link
6:06 Cloud
12:04 Fight

[@At-sign]

You are a true hero for some
Completely useless to others

[@drmadhappy]

​@@At-sign the most factual comment in existence

[@BTAL1ama]

Man Link has some serious hammer space, even compared to an FF character. Also Cloud catching the pot like a tennis ball on his sword was pretty great lol

[@Beegrene]

I believe Nintendo Power said that he simply has really deep pockets. Or that may have been James Bond. I don't remember exactly.

[@hahamadeyouread214]

Imagine both of them eating a meal prepared by Link
Cloud: What is this delicacy ?
link: EH, HIYEW, DAAAH
Cloud: sounds exotic

[@esteban8471]

I'd imagine Cloud's friends saying that instead but they would tell Cloud to thank Link and compliment the food. At least, that's the vibe the FF7 remake gave me.

[@DIEFORME173]

@@esteban8471 yeah

[@goukisama007]

This is the best comment I've read on death battle 😂. Bravo!

[@hanburgundy4317]

Tifa: "Geez, Cloud; the least you could do is say thank you."
Aeris: "Come on, Cloud. Tell Link thank you for the delicious meal he prepared."
Cloud: "Hmm... thanks, it's... yummy."

[@hahamadeyouread214]

@@hanburgundy4317 link: HAH, ZEEAAAHH, AWOOO

[@phanboy8059]

Is it wierd that the part where Link cannot stop himself from smashing the pots even though he is in the middle of a fight and Cloud going out of his way to save one of them is among my favorite parts of this episode?

[@nealenthenerd399]

I love he tries to care for Aerith’s church even in battle.

[@blueotter5954]

Elegant is it not

[@TrueZero2]

I was honestly expecting that last pot to come in clutch for Link at one point. Maybe it had a fairy in it.

[@RhizometricReality]

The animators did fantastic

[@astaku8374]

@@TrueZero2 I think I heard a recovery effect. He probably did find a fairy

[@stephen92]

So I just want to point out a few things that seem to have been left out of Link's armory: The Mirror Shield, capable of reflecting energy including all magic; the Pegasus boots and seeds which each significantly increase his speed; the Bunny Hood, also capable of increasing his speed; bomb arrows, not a significant threat to Cloud but still too effective for him to ignore; Cryonis pillars in the rain can even emerge out of mud and make excellent cover; Daruk's protection is an impenetrable barrier, as is Nayru's Love (I can see why those weren't included); and then there was no inclusion of the Hidden Skills like the shield attack that could've put Cloud off-balance every time he struck the shield. You know Link is good with that technique when he uses it to reflect lasers without the Mirror Shield

[@seanpazdera6407]

Most of those don't matter for anything at all.

[@stephen92]

@@seanpazdera6407 I think they matter a lot. The Mirror Shield makes Link effectively immune to magic and dangerous to even cast a spell on. I may be wrong, but I think the summon attacks are also magical which means these would also be reflected. Link is also able to exploit even a small opening with the flurry rush and a sucessful shield parry does exactly that. The movement speed buffs mean he'd be able to dodge more attacks rather than parry which means even more flurry rushes

[@seanpazdera6407]

@@stephen92 A great deal of spells in Final Fantasy aren't like Twinrova. Some are even explosions that appear around you or cause your blood to congeal and stuff. SummonING is magical, but summonS aren't inherently. It would be better to just have Link use his own summons. You can't Flurry Rush straight out of a Shield Bash. Movement speed buffs don't affect reactions.

[@stephen92]

@@seanpazdera6407 I know you can't flurry rush after a shield parry and that's not the point. The point is that it creates an opening for attacks. The movement speed buffs don't affect his ability to recognize a threat and decide to move, but they do affect the speed at which he can move once the threat is identified. His body can keep up a little better with his mind. What you say about ff magic, completely fair. I don't know the magic from that series nearly as well as others. However, it would certainly affect the fire, Ice, lightning and wind magic as well as likely poison magic. Like casting an attack spell on something with reflect, but it doesn't wear off

[@ikeillue8385]

@@stephen92 Most of those magics you mentioned aren't projectiles. Lightning is a projectile, but it originates from above, which would not only be unnatural for Link to actually block, but even if he did, that would leave a massive opening for Cloud to take advantage of.

[@ShadedTopaz1]

That was ... EPIC! Thank you so much for producing this!

[@RealCFZ]

Link: *Becomes Fierce Deity*
Cloud: WAIT A MINUTE?!
•Long Sword
•White Hair
•Taller than me
Cloud: You’ve gotta be shitting me.
??? next to Cloud’s ear: HELLO THERE!

[@ikeillue8385]

Nah, Fierce Deity's sword needs another foot or two added to it to be mistaken for Masamune. Also, Fierce Deity is missing those gorgeous locks, that are almost as long as the sword itself.

[@Ultrastar08]

The track is called "Final Breath" that's a solid name

[@sdmffuentebella9002]

It is indeed.

[@sdmffuentebella9002]

All I need to know is when is it coming out

[@Silent_Fool]

@@sdmffuentebella9002 wait for Brandon Yates. Hopefully it comes out before this episode.

[@TheShadow1347]

Yep

[@charsonic1771]

I agree

[@yachi2274]

Cloud: Good game
Link: Good game
*They handshaked*

[@SeaOfPixels]

This death battle is so strange. There are several times where we have Link use his powers in the least effective way possible just so the fight continues. Ie: uses ancient arrows but shoots the bike instead of Cloud, uses stasis but just stands there instead of actually doing something during the time freeze, and then he uses the invisibility cloak to do nothing? These are the kinds of things I expect to see from the death battle combatant that ends up winning, to show how many powers they have over their opponent and how many ways they could win, but he lost in the end?

[@ICTON123]

The animation is just for entertainment, it's not a simulation. If it was trying to be accurate, then Cloud would realistically just end Link in an instant.
Anyway, no, Link was actually using them as best he could.
He baited Cloud using Magnesis to draw him near the bike and then used it on the bike to ensure that Cloud couldn't see or dodge the arrow (we see that Cloud is incredibly near the bike and gets hit by the Ancient Arrow's explosion), but Cloud toughed it out. He very clearly did not just stand there during Stasis, Cloud used his own time stop on Link. And he uses the invisibility cloak to escape Cloud's attack and get as far as he can, but as they already showed, he wouldn't be able to attack like that cause he's intangible, and he can't stay cloaked cause the cloak drains mana.

[@superspell1]

@@ICTON123 In the games link actually can attack while under that cloak, and he should have 3 days of limitless magic thanks to the power of milk.

[@Joe.Elston-Gardner]

I feel like speed scaling in death battle often doesn't reflect how fast the characters really are, like in that world are the laser beams and lightning attacks really as fast as ours? or with Cloud if he can scale to a creature who can move across the solar system in like 10 seconds then couldn't he have instantly travelled across the continent in his search of sephiroth if he is anyway scalable to that. I don't really have a solution, but I just feel these kind of speed scaling often gives a result which makes a character seem way faster than what they are otherwise represented as being in the game.

[@christophermonteith2774]

not the best, but kingdom hearts scaling would indicate FTL at least, so its not impossible

[@pandaeyez]

Nope. He doesn't need to be able to hurdle through the cosmos like Bahamut, simply reacting and moving fast enough to keep up with it is a feat in itself.
Link doesn't zap across the skies like a lightning bolt either, but he can react fast enough to dodge it. Both Zack and Cloud being first class soldiers (or just being beyond the level of one in Cloud's case) meant they had superhuman reflexes and speed, but it's that reactive speed and their own speed that allows them to keep up with Bahamut and Sephiroth and Weapons, etc. If you can anticipate, react and move just fast enough, then a fast opponent means nothing.

[@turnttaco7661]

Yeah it's still a great fear for sure but death battle has always had trouble differentiating between travel speed and combat speed

[@DenderFriend]

You don't always move at your top speed or punch your strongest hit, but Death Battle judges characters based on their best.

[@XUIW]

I just don’t like how they use most of game logic/mechanics to justify a feat.

[@Zye1984]

I kinda wish you guys would stop equating dodging lasers as feats of speed. That's more of an anticipation in most cases. Or, automatically assuming a defeated enemy that can go super fast somehow means the fighter can too.

[@sircatfaceesq578]

I see it as their best attempt to pull something from nothing. I still hate it, but can understand why they do it

[@midashitegamer5264]

@@sircatfaceesq578 well actually no it's because these are video games, we can't have inputs that fast or no one would get past the first area, these are superhuman characters, for instance we know through cutscenes that cloud can block and dodge bullets, we've also been him dodge much fast things, and have immense feats of strength, in the remake we get to be cloud in pvp combat as a player character and not just a party member showing it is actually happening real time just the mechanics of the game prevent it from being played in such a way, and that's because it's a turn based rpg, that's it's genre, so likelihood is the interpretation you were meant to each is that cloud beat the dragon in real time combat and therefore had to keep up

[@midashitegamer5264]

@@sircatfaceesq578 also we know from multiple ff games that dragons have extreme speed strata and have an affinity for wht magic that boosts said speed stats, it's unreasonable to think they are slow just because the mechanics are that of a turn based rpg

[@midashitegamer5264]

@@sircatfaceesq578 link has lifted thousands of tons but he hasn't survived a supernova, link is fast but light has achieved faster travel and reaction speeds on foot, it's undeniable if you've played both games

[@ivoryraven3487]

Yup its pretty dumb, or scaling people to other people through a common foe, or a "anime quarrel"

[@_Dedleef]

Y’all kinda forgot links armour stats, like the barbarian armour greatly increases links strength, or the thunder helm which makes him completely invulnerable to lighting, and how the champions tunic has insane durability

[@ikeillue8385]

Dude, Cloud is swinging hard enough to deal lethal damage to a being that casually tanked a supernova. Its not that they forgot Link's armor stats, its that they just don't matter in the least.

[@ronandread5141]

They forget a lot of things here, link has resisted explosions, slashes, from powerful beings that make cloud strife look like some wannabe anime character. Y'all don't see the potential link has because you stick with sheer power over skill . Link would still win .

[@ronandread5141]

@@ikeillue8385 there are God's and powerful strikes in Zelda that could wreck cloud in seconds . Link has faced far worse than cloud, he's taken damage from a literal God more specifically demise . he's also taken damage from a moon is that super nova enough for you ?

[@ikeillue8385]

@@ronandread5141 Except there is nothing in Legend of Zelda that comes even remotely close to Cloud's level of power.
The thing is, in a semi close fight, where the difference is only moderate, skill, planning and strategy absolutely make a difference. However, it doesn't matter how much an ant plans, it will never be able to take down a tank. Furthermore, you are completely ignoring the fact that Cloud is also a massively skilled swordsman, literally going toe to toe with the guy who makes the best swordsmen in the world look like amateurs. You can't actually quantify skill, but there is no reasonable argument that puts Link's level of skill any significant amount greater than Cloud's (its actually easier to argue that Cloud is the more skilled swordsman).
I legit don't understand how you think Link can win, when Cloud quite literally can will Link to die, and he would die. Materia does that, and Link has no defense against it.
Again, nothing in LOZ could stand of to Cloud. Like, you mentioned gods. So what? "god" is a title, it doesn't actually mean anything, and the "gods" in LOZ, have never performed any attack potency feats that would even register on Cloud's radar. This includes Demis, who's greatest feat is calling lighting (which would heal Cloud), and his greatest statement/implied feat, is being a threat to the world.
I can't help but feel like you don't know what a supernova is, otherwise you wouldn't have said something as ridiculous as "he's also taken damage from a moon is that super nova enough for you?" A supernova is more powerful than a moon busting attack, by multiple magnitudes. The difference between high end moon level, and minimum solar system level, is a difference of 1 quadrillion times.

[@ronandread5141]

@@ikeillue8385 no dude link would still win , it's not even about power if anything link is like the Batman for Nintendo he doesn't overpower his opponents he figures out their weaknesses. I feel like you're just crazy about final fantasy because of its stupidly overpowered characters.

[@theallmightyfish3027]

With tears of the kingdom now out I can’t help but imagine cloud trying his best to keep up with the raw power of JEREMY

[@thevisionary5313]

We all know why link lost. He forgot to grab the mid-dungeon item that can defeat cloud.

[@reaganhernandez6041]

He Already Did In His First Battle

[@mafrodisiak2673]

@@reaganhernandez6041 first battle!?

[@shanesmith2050]

@@mafrodisiak2673 this is the rematch

[@mrboerger1620]

Duh

[@emerylsg]

this was a very clever joke

[@perryhahn5525]

Either way, the moment Link took off the cape and raised his sword for lightning was DOPE

[@Fenrix9]

14:35

[@TheSuperSmashBros01]

That was a badass moment

[@marioandfriends_official]

The fact that he set it up with the song of storms makes it a great detail too

[@kaelli2892]

Cloud VS Raiden | Final Fantasy vs Metal Gear Rising | DEATH BATTLE

[@TheBigTopaz]

Not a fan of how Mipha’s Grace was the only Champion ability that Link could use in this battle, Daruk’s Protection easily could’ve Link the edge of used sparingly, also Link’s Bullet Time ability was completely ignored, which is very weird considering the first time he shoots and arrow at Cloud is when he’s in the air, if Bullet Time was considered then Link could end the battle quickly

[@jaxsonevans7796]

That's if Cloud doesn't even use his abilities or powers at all. Like did you even consider Cloud would even let all this happen?

[@ikeillue8385]

The issue is, though said abilities were not included in the fight, they were taken into consideration. Its just that they didn't have the time or budget to include everything from both characters. The fact of the matter is, none of Link's arsenal makes any real difference.
Daruk's protection isn't going to do much. Being able to block 3 attacks isn't going to change anything, when his opponent is massively stronger and faster than Link. Not to mention, Cloud literally has the ability to turn off barrier, like Daruk's, on a whim (Turning off magical effects like that is literally the purpose of the magic, dispel.).
As far as bullet time, when you consider how much faster Cloud is than Link, even when Link has bullet time active, Cloud would still be moving faster than Link could comprehend. Ignoring that point, it still wouldn't have ended the fight for 2 major reasons. Reason 1, in BOTW, Ancient arrows don't do the instant death effect on more powerful enemies, such as bosses, and Cloud EASILY outpowers every boss in LOZ combined. Reason 2, even if we ignore reason 1, and assume the instant death would work on Cloud, it still doesn't matter, because Cloud literally has immunity to instant death effects. Point being, best case scenario for Link, Ancient arrows would only do damage to Cloud, and considering the power difference between the two, that damage would be negligible.

[@TheBigTopaz]

@@ikeillue8385 the Ancient Arrows confine all goes into oblivion in lore, in game is a different story and since they are using in story details and not in game details, Ancient Arrows always confine the Target into oblivion

[@ikeillue8385]

@@TheBigTopaz Why didn't he just use the arrows on Ganon then? Would it not have been much easier to "confine him into oblivion" than fighting him as he did? In lore, there are limitations to it, otherwise the story would be trivialized. Also, it makes little difference. Cloud could still just use exit materia (which is dimensional hopping materia) to escape "oblivion" whatever that may mean.

[@johnpett1955]

Imagine bullet time+ silver arrows. That would be crazy.

[@NoBody-tk3yd]

It's ironic that in the original Cloud vs Link DB, the Link fanboys couldn't wait to make toxic posts provoking FF fans. Now the same fanboys are here with the same toxicity because Link lost.
Why can't you just enjoy the amazing video that was created and keep your BS to yourself?

[@aeroblast4996]

👏🏻👏🏻

[@pkillerx]

Link stopping to break pots/vases mid-fight is such a hilarious break in his character. The look in his eyes as he dashes towards the first pot makes me lose it every time.

[@nathanielbass771]

it's actually not a break in his character. Just about every boss fight he encounters has them and even if not, his most useful items come from them

[@zacharie2334]

@@nathanielbass771 And we hear a sound when he breaks them (probably the sound of gaining an item)

[@TheSuperSmashBros01]

A great attention to detail honestly

[@daltoncarverxc]

They forgot the most important rune of all: the camera rune.

[@gmtwj-fye7898]

explain?

[@Blue_Firefox]

@@gmtwj-fye7898 selfies

[@faceache3466]

@@gmtwj-fye7898 I think that was supposed to be a joke

[@Silent_Fool]

In Age of Calamity, it’s stupidly powerful.

[@RevilloPhoenix]

@@gmtwj-fye7898 I think it's a reference to the original Link vs Cloud death battle where Link just blocks the onislash v5 simply by Z targeting lock on to keep turning at cloud with his shield. Using a meta game mechanic instead of a character feat as the match winning move.

[@pegasusanimationssometimes]

Inaccurate
Link did not go to his inventory and spam apples for healing
(Joke)

[@vupow4449]

14:48 Link releases a beam from his sword like in smash ultimate due to not taking any damage yet is an amazing detail

[@zauztheblacksmith]

I think that's meant to be a Lightning Strike from Skyward Sword, since an F-Smash beam in Smash Bros isn't anywhere near that powerful.

[@sabin97]

he has had that ability since the legend of zelda.
decades ago.
do you remember a console called the "nintendo entertainment system"(also known as the famicom)?
since those days he's had that skill.

[@RealCFZ]

Technically, he has that ability back in the first NES Zelda game (even without the Master Sword). Link to the Past is the first game where Master Sword that debut.

[@drowsykyle8263]

Can we admit that Fierce Deity Link stomping towards Cloud was terrifying.

[@matheusdiefenthaeler5342]

Not so much when Cloud look at him with a "I don't care" face and dodge a giant bounder casually... But the Fierce Deity form is very cool

[@lelandholmquist2467]

⁠@@matheusdiefenthaeler5342If I remember correctly it turns him into a literal god at least as close to one as possible.

[@matheusdiefenthaeler5342]

​@@lelandholmquist2467 right, it does turn him into a god, but as every game, series, movies and cartoons shows to us is that gods are subjective, different in every world, and the ones in Legend of Zelda... well... you can easily picture all of them dying...

[@noabsolutelynot3660]

​@@matheusdiefenthaeler5342 Not really. The only gods we've actually seen in Zelda are FD, Hylia and the Golden ones. The Golden ones are many times the power of the triforce, Hylia only seems weak because she had to reincarnate in Mortal form, and Fierce Deity is a planet buster at *least*

[@nori87]

nah

[@MrBruh77]

I just love how when Link was smashing pots, he used one as a weapon. At that point, I didn’t care who won I just loved the accuracy of that

[@Dying2liveX]

Reality: Navi's constant *hey listen* causes cloud to unalive himself
Link overcome with guilt does the same...
The winner? Navi by annoyance

[@ikeillue8385]

Wrong. Cloud casts silence on Navi, and becomes Link's hero.

[@cesarpedrazamartinezgarcia725]

Adore the idea of bringing a Link that just has everything every Link has ever had, would love to see him in more matches but using more he's abilities rather than skipping to Fierce diety mask which i also think it's too big here, it's just adult Link with a blade that shoots beams

[@ikeillue8385]

Its not actually. In majora's mask, you can glitch fierce Deity out of boss rooms, and compare it directly to other Hylians, and it is in fact a giant

[@ronandread5141]

He also has the powers of the other masks including the bomb mask which would allow him to create explosions

[@jthecryptid]

Fierce Deity is gigantic in MM. He's taller than every non-boss character model and even towers over the smaller houses. Easily in the 10-14 ft range
Those sword beams were concentrated and strong enough to shred apart the moon. Don't short-sell Fierce Deity

[@ComicalRealm]

Fun fact: Cloud has the most player-controlled appearances of any character in the Final Fantasy series, and the second most appearances altogether, behind Gilgamesh.

[@smellyuncle]

At least Cloud is first protagonist to have the most player controlled appearances.

[@lynxfresh5214]

Gilgamesh is such a hilarious yet likeable character, I hope he appears in FFXVI.

[@SuperSwordman1]

Which makes me super depressed that Square keeps pushing this punk.

[@banditbro25]

To be fair, Gilgamesh in FF universe is a reality bender so him apparently being in every universe makes sense

[@smellyuncle]

@@banditbro25 That’s fair I guess.

[@starmancrusader]

I like how Cloud sees Link on the motorcycle after him and he’s like “him again”

[@gregbethscheider5912]

I was thinking the exact same thing that you said when I started watching the fight

[@nahor88]

Link already beat Cloud once; they weren't gonna have Link win again.
Still safe to say Link wins a popularity contest.

[@hernandeznestor7685]

@@nahor88 well Super Man rektd Goku twice. If they do a 3rd round It would be just to please weebs AND neckbeards

[@nahor88]

@@hernandeznestor7685 I've never played a single Final Fantasy game, but I do know Link was able to block Omnislash the 1st round as regular Link using z-targeting... what happened to that?

[@hernandeznestor7685]

@@nahor88 you mean the figth were cloud didnt cast any spells while link used all His arsenals?

[@blastvortex]

Ftr, remember that masks like Fierce Diety and The Giant can only be used under very specific conditions. Highly unlikely they would occur during this fight.
Also remember, Majora referred to Fierce Deity as a supposed villain. He only gave Link that mask because he was lonely and wanted to play "Good Guy, Bad Guy."

[@juubi249]

I feel like Cloud is more than strong enough to be considered a 'boss', and thus would fulfill the condition for the FD mask

[@blastvortex]

@@juubi249 If that were all requirements entailed, then if Link were so lucky to keep hold of the FD mask during his journeys, he theoretically may be able to use it during his bouts with Odolwa, Goht, Gyorg and Twinmold. Sadly, we do not know. As such, it is also not a given.

[@rusher444]

@@blastvortex you can use it against all the bosses in majoras mask.

[@juubi249]

@blastvortex he...he can though. When you go through the game after getting the FD mask, you can use it against all the bosses

[@blastvortex]

@@rusher444 Must be only the 3D version. (No, I never bothered checking after that.) Regardless, along with the host of Grezzo's refuting or rather retconning changes, may or may not canonically agree. Are they all canon then? Perhaps just a bonus for the faithful, since you couldn't save the mask in the original. Better than a golden turd. That's about it.
(And no. I didn't bother with the fishing either. Shameful, useless add in doesn't apply anything to the story, and robbed of easy, quick resources for the 5K heart piece too. Don't understand why Grezzo couldn't give MM the same care they gave OOT. Jerks.)

[@rodrickgoldberg2324]

Wait a minute, why were Cloud and Link driving through a tunnel that just spits people off a cliff?

[@troodontalon5990]

It apparently led toward the temple where Cloud met Aerith, so Cloud may have been going to check up on it, pay respects, etc.
As for why Link saw fit to follow him... eh, that's a little harder to explain. Maybe he got a side quest from Shinra without realizing what he was getting into or who he was working for.

[@rodrickgoldberg2324]

@@troodontalon5990
That still doesn’t explain why Cloud chose that route specifically. Wasn’t there a better way to get to his destination?

[@troodontalon5990]

@@rodrickgoldberg2324 That all depends on where he was coming from. If he was on his way back from a mission on Midgar, probably not. Cloud has never been *that* great at discretion (it's a little hard to blend into a crowd with such a big sword on your back) and Shinra troops would be more hesitant to follow him into an unfinished tunnel (most of them wouldn't survive the kind of falls that Cloud can shrug off).

[@skippygh0st248]

Seeing Link die in this isn't as bad or impactful to me considering all the torture and deaths I've put him throughout the 4 years of Breath of the Wild.

[@DOOGIE_PLAYZZZZ]

You had me in the first half not gonna lie

[@canyouhelpmegetto69kwithno22]

I’ve literally jumped off cliffs on purpose in botw on purpose cause I was bored

[@niasayamuongbo6498]

Zelda

[@Ethan-yd4gn]

Like when you're essentially on the standing on the bay of a pond, but still drown. Sad times

[@Twilight17Petkoton]

Even know Link lose to Cloud. But Cloud lost in Video games in E3 Nintendo got a S rank and Square Enix a D rank. Showing great game on Nintendo on up and down moments on E3. Square Enix not so much a little on worsted moments. So Link wins on video games.

[@Ignore__Me]

Don’t worry guys, if Link dies we can always clap and bring him back to life.

[@Cam-jl9kh]

"He's not a fairy!"

[@juubi249]

That just sent me back 9 years

[@Silent_Fool]

He’s not a fairy! He’s a lost boy from Neverland.

[@Wolfo277]

I'll be sad if he does tho 😥

[@DIEFORME173]

@@Silent_Fool Peter pan

[@dailyplanetjk8711]

FLURRY RUSH??????????????????? HELLO?????????

[@ikeillue8385]

Are you upset that they didn't include it in the animation? I'll spoil it for you how it would look. Link would go into his bullet time for Flurry Rush, and Cloud would casually counter every attack anyway, because he is just that much faster than Link.

[@dailyplanetjk8711]

@@ikeillue8385 ye ik cloud slaps him but still woulda liked to see it how it would play out

[@dailyplanetjk8711]

@@ikeillue8385 i also would like to point out that since we havent really seen the extent of Fierce Deitys power, so there would be some false power scaling there (true for all characters that we dont know the true extent of what their powers are). Also, the only champion ability he used was Miphas Grace, which I thought was weird. It would also be pretty cool to see a rematch with his new Zonai hand. Sick fight tho i love Death Battle

[@ikeillue8385]

@@dailyplanetjk8711 The argument about not seeing the extent of Fierce Deity's power is only relevant in a close match up. The fact is, Fierce Deity's best feat, if we are being generous, is cutting the moon in half. Saying that he might be upwards of solar system level (which he would have to be in order to even start being in the conversation with Cloud.), is a straight up appeal to probability fallacy (VS community better knows it as a no limits fallacy, but I personally think that name is misleading, as there are characters with no limits, that the fallacy still applies to.).
It makes sense that Mipha's is the only champion ability we see. Its the only one that actually matters. Revali's just gives Link the high ground for a short time, but Cloud would literally be able to jump to catch up to Link, as well as he has plenty of magical range options. Urbosa's would actually be detrimental to Link, as Cloud has immunity to paralysis, as well as lightning magic literally heals him. Daruk's is the only other one that might be helpful, but blocking 3 attacks is only mildly helpful, as well as Cloud can literally just shut it off with dispel (which, I'm not gonna lie, that would have been fun to see.).
Personally, I would rather see Link in a fight that is a closer match. It would be more interesting (at least for me), to question who is going to win, as compared to putting him against Cloud, where there really isn't a question.

[@dailyplanetjk8711]

@@ikeillue8385 lol wtf whyd you type a whole dang valedictorian speech💀 you seem to be particularly biased towards Cloud. The matchup is closer than whatever you think.

[@NeverWokeNotASoiBoy]

This was epic, my two favourite protagonists and I'm happy with the analysis, great video.

[@cloudnaeris7]

When Link dodges the laser it's a predictive roll, not a reflexive roll. Big difference.

[@mikeperez8]

This ^

[@MercerSin]

True, but speaking of the dodge mechanic, why didn’t link get the flurry effect? That’s (I like to think) his power in BOTW, all champs had one.

[@matthewcox69]

Same in the Naruto fight.

[@midashitegamer5264]

Bug difference? Reaction time and movement speed is the same, while it's not reflexive it's still the same speed, if you can predict light and dodge it, you're still moving faster than light in order to move out of it's way

[@midashitegamer5264]

@@matthewcox69 no, reflexive dodging and predictive dodging takes the same speed, based on time and distance it will always be the same speed, if you could predict and dodge light, you're doing it the same as a reflex, because you are still able to dodge it which requires you to be faster than it, only if time is increased or distance is increased can a predictive dodge be slower than a reflexive dodge, but we are talking the same exact time and distance here

[@firemasterluke]

A nit-pick I have is how the fight starts. Link doesn't go around hunting people down. I think a better start would be a person in Midgar asking Cloud to stop the "Jar smashing menace."

[@firemasterluke]

@@bellattery lol thanks

[@BewareTheLilyOfTheValley]

Ohh, I like that much better!

[@synchrofanatic510]

There’s alot of weird choices for set pieces in this fight.
Link hunting him down, the amount of time they focus on Cloud falling down the cliff and Cloud finding the Fusion Sword in the church when its supposed to be stored in his bike.
I love that idea for an intro though.

[@freetoplayking7362]

Person: I drove Link away. My god, he was a hero. Link truly was an asset to this world. He was...
[Link starts smashing Aerith's pottery]
Cloud: ... a criminal! That's who he is! A vandal! He broke her pots! I want that man dead!

[@firemasterluke]

@@BewareTheLilyOfTheValley 😁

[@toanuva6178]

Link: "Well, I am in a location that I am not familiar of, surrounded by a culture, technology, and architecture that even by my experience is alien. And I have several items in my possession that I've never seen before, and have no memory about how I got any of these weapons or more importantly how I got here in the first place.. I should try to find out more about this place and see what I can do to support myself while I'm here so I don't starve or get left out in the cold, and by some luck find a way back-oh hey a stranger on a cycle!" *Unsheathes Sword*

[@holty1314]

Question:
How does Cloud destroy the tri force of courage? I Cloud could dodge it or possibly tanking the hit, but destroying the power of a goddess?

[@ICTON123]

It *has* actually been destroyed before in WindWaker and A Link Between Worlds.
And considering Cloud potentially netting power beyond even what the full TriForce has shown (Knights of the Round's summon attack is described as destroying the dimension they're in with King Arthur's sword swing in databooks, SuperNova destroys dimensional space in Dissidia, and potential scaling to Multiversal feats from characters such as NeoExdeath via FF: Tactics and Dissidia), he should be powerful enough to shatter the goddesses' gift.
But aside from that, the animation is mainly just for entertainment, that was just there cause it would be cool. The TriForce of Courage hasn't really ever been shown to be capable of defending or harming things for Link. In fact, it rarely does... anything really, it mostly just sits there until a very specific event happens.

[@vm141789]

Totally inaccurate.
Cloud never asked for his money.

[@plusultra12001]

Completely inaccurate.
But your reasons is questionable

[@Rebel_Friend]

We never did see what kind of loot Link dropped, so maybe he dropped some rupees. The real challenge would be to exchange said rupees for gil.

[@alexcage08]

I knew link was losing once he grew. Usually whoever uses the big move first loses in death battle

[@mistersippi2945]

Huh, you’re right. Didn’t notice that.

[@TheBronf]

not all the time. allmight and might guy is a example. as well as kakashi and obi wan.

[@wolfwarrior1176]

@@TheBronf i still find it awesome that all might could go square off against 7 gates might guy

[@archibaldc.1833]

I think they started getting tired of the comments always making fun if that trope so they decide to invert it from time to time.

[@archibaldc.1833]

@@vginsprdsobepr9698 Cloid

[@rainynight02]

This is something I hate that yall do. You take ine character and combine all the different variations of that character into one.
Which you shouldn't do. You should oick one variation and stick with that ones tooks and experience.
He has bever had the ocarina and the paraglider and the Pegasus boots all atthe same time.
You can't smash 12 people into one and put them against one other character....

[@ikeillue8385]

You are correct. However, they did a composite Link for a reason. They wanted to cover all of the "what if he used X item from Y game?" arguments, so they just combined all of them into one. The important part though, is that even with a composite Link, Cloud still takes the fight with ease, so, despite giving Link a significant power boost, it doesn't actually change the result.

[@NamelessStarKing]

Not me realizing that Cloud was throwing the blades of his Fusion Sword and setting up for the Omnislash during the fierce deity portion

[@GamergaidenX]

This really hit on the fact that Link is a mischievous fairy child who just shows up, starts a fight, breaks pots, can just somehow duplicate himself. He's embodying Fae energy through this whole fight and I love it. even the transformation into Fierce Deity was like him taking the mask off and revealing his "true form" as some terrifying Fairy warrior. (despite that he puts a mask on to do this)

[@seanpazdera6407]

He's mischievous, but not evil. In Adult Link this manifests as little more than just lighthearted jokes every once in a while. Only Child Link shows anything immature. In either form he's meant to be something only the wicked fear anyway.

[@gamerstheater1187]

he's not a fairy he's a human

[@QTA777]

LINK CANT DIE!!!!!! CLOUD IS A LOSER GUYS HES NOT SPOSTA WIN

[@stephenautopsy6246]

Fae means goblin like creature not fairy the fairy you are thinking of is just a kind of fae

[@lolrus5555]

@@QTA777 please shut up -_-

[@AgentHooligan]

"Cloud and Zack die from bullets"
Ok but Link dies to chickens...

[@CosmicGoku529]

Hold up there. Those chicken are way more deadly than a bullet. They are immortal bringers of death.

[@richardlabrie515]

@@CosmicGoku529 Those chickens can even defeat Ganon!

[@floatingf8783]

As of Breath of the Wild, Cucoos are terrifying monsters when provoked in-universe, they're not ordinary chickens.

[@goldenboy2740]

Don't worry though, each of those bullets are probably stronger then the supernova that hit Cloud (Deathbattle logic)

[@Schale.kivotos]

It's seems you not play the game huh
That's chicken is frkin immortal and can beat ganon!
Even guy like Cloud is no match for Mighty Chicken CUCCO!

[@KGKSkull]

To those who didn’t notice. Link is a manlet, 4’10. He is a small boi that will stab you

[@sketchydude8431]

Finally, I'm taller than a videogame character lol

[@RealCFZ]

Short king

[@afterglow-podcast]

I gotta point out Link is a DIFFERENT Link in almost each game, which means Cloud won against not just one Link, but ALL versions of Link in this battle

[@norrecvizharan1177]

Something which he arguably shouldn't have been able to do, considering his stated speed feat just simply flying through space and not combat related, whereas Link can stop time on a whim.

[@user-ky4li6rz7m]

honestly fight shouldn't have gone that way, they left A LOT of stuff out of Link's arsenal which is fair, its hard to remember everything, but nonetheless it was a very cool fight.

[@baval5]

"as you can see Link can dodge this laser at the moment its fired"
>Link begins dodging the laser a full 12 youtube frames and nearly a full second before it begins firing

[@sauce987654321]

That's what power wank looks like.

[@Gnostic88]

@@sauce987654321 For real. I remember their original fight with Link and Cloud. It was BS. glad this one made more sense.

[@ransac16]

If they wanted a better visual for reacting to/evading lasers they should have just used Link fighting Guardians.

[@WwZa7]

I think they just wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt, push his abilities to the limit, because honestly, he was uncomparable to Cloud, that can survive a dimension breaking supernova.

[@SD-uw7zu]

@@Gnostic88 exactly. Cloud got downplayed last time. And this is the first death battle rematch that wasn’t bad or controversial

[@dabluepittoo-aqua4213]

Cloud: "Finally...I beat the guy who beat me."
Mario: "Not bad kid."

[@JugularJohn]

Mario: So who’d you beat?
Cloud: Link
Mario: ….. damnit he was a good friend..

[@shanewalters2565]

Oh, I get it, because Mario had a rematch with Sonic for the 100th episode, and now we got a rematch between Link and Cloud, all we need now is a rematch between Luigi and Tails

[@bruhm0ment6000]

You know the end is coming for the antagonist of FF7 since cloud won. Unless it's a superman situation where he wins twice but that's like 0 percent chance of happening.

[@red5158077]

@@shanewalters2565 No

[@theonewhodrums_]

Why have a rematch between these two? I find it odd

[@socialaccount0000]

A year later and while I still think Cloud could beat normal Link, there is NO SHOT he beats the Fierce Deity. You can scale Fierce Deity far above Majora, the same Majora who can be scaled to Dimensional/Universal (as Termina is a separate dimension from Hyrule, think of it like a pocket dimension, similar to the one Sephiroth creates for his Supernova attack). This Majora is also able to move in-between dimensions (the "inside" of the moon) that have no time (time does not progress "inside" the moon) ergo he should also have immeasurable speed to be able to move without time, or at the very least, can't be frozen by time stop (also in the Majoras Mask manga, it is specifically described as a "world" within Majora, so no it is not actually the moon).
This Majora obliterates the Hero of Time if he is not stopped, there is 0 chance for Link to survive the destruction of this dimension besides rewinding time. This is the same Link who possesses 1/3rd of the Triforce, an artifact capable of creating a Universe, so it's not too much of a stretch that Link could have the attack potency of 1/3rd universal (or multi galaxy. I'm not saying he can destroy multiple galaxies, only that he has the strength to harm those that could) and this is also a Link post OoT, so he should scale above any feats performed in that game including defeating Ganon fully powered by the well, Triforce of power which just like Courage is another third of the triforce, the object that created the universe. Even if you don't believe that scaling, the triforce of power *alone* was enough to create Hyrule/Earth and was able to save Ganon from what would've been a fatal blow.
Tl;dr OoT Link alone scales above Ganon, who scales to planetary at lowball and 1/3rd universal (multi galaxy) at highest. Said Majora is able to one-shot this Link if his plan is not stopped.
In the games, The Fierce Deity takes very little damage from any of Majora's full strength (in the manga, he doesn't take *any* damage, able to completely tank a direct energy blast), this is again the same Majora who is able to create and/or manipulate entire Dimensions as well as destroy said Dimension at full power. Fierce Deity *bullies* Majora.
In conclusion, while I'm not saying TFD would one-shot Cloud or anything, I highly doubt Cloud could defeat TFD, especially if we go by Deathbattle rules and use a comp-link, who should have all his other items, equipment, feats etc. So, in theory, you could say give TFD the Sheikha Slate, the Goron Bracelets, Mipha's grace etc. At that point, Cloud has no shot.

[@ikeillue8385]

You are wanking LOZ power scaling a lot here. You have to be EXTREMELY generous to scale Majora to even planet level. More accurately he is powerful enough to pull a mountain sized moon out of orbit. Moving in-between dimensions is a hack, not any kind of attack potency scale. And, unless he is moving while he is frozen in time, your "immeasurable speed" thing is inaccurate, as they are still functioning within their own time.
The Triforce is not capable of creating a universe. It is what remained in the place that the goddesses left Hyrule from. Furthermore, even if that wasn't the case, creation is not the same as attack potency. The Triforce's attack potency is really not all that impressive. The best its ever been shown was dropping a building on an enemy, and even that could be argued that it was just happenstance that it actually killed the enemy in question, since it was just returning the building to its original location. OOT Link is no where near planet level. At the end of OOT, Link and Zelda have to flee Hyrule castle before it collapses on them, otherwise they die. They aren't even large building level. Again, the Triforce "feats" aren't actually attack potency feats.
Fierce Deity absolutely is able to bully Majora. But Majora is not nearly as powerful as you are making him out to be. Again, creation and destruction are not the same, so him being able to create a dimension is completely irrelevant. But lets pretend they are for a second that it is the same. Then the weakest summons in Final Fantasy 7 are also casual universal, as they all canonically create their own separate dimensions to pull enemies into, to avoid collateral damage. I don't think I need to explain how much higher than Chocobo Mog Cloud scales.
Not only would Cloud have a shot, he would pretty casually overpower FD. FD's best attack potency feat, which isn't even canon btw, is cutting a tiny moon in half. Cloud is dealing lethal damage to a being who shrugs off a supernova with out flinching. Even if you include a composite Link, giving him all of his equipment from all games, most is irrelevant compared to Cloud's shear power, and the rest Cloud has straight up counters for. So, Link needs a composite build to even start being in the discussion, but still gets beaten down by Cloud 99 out of 100 times.

[@Alpha-db4jo]

This isn’t even bringing Manga Link into this. Whom Solos the entire FF Cast with FD Link.

[@OnboardWithChuck]

@@Alpha-db4jo Well the Manga's are little more than Nintendo Endorsed fan fictiction

[@Alpha-db4jo]

@@OnboardWithChuck It’s considered Canon though. Nintendo confirmed it to be.

[@chickenquesadilla8139]

@@Alpha-db4jo well, I mean, if someone wrote my game's character to completely annihilate another game franchise's characters I'd happily call it canon too lol. If Square confirmed it as well it'd be canon.

[@albel292]

People still cant get over the fact that cloud is superior to link lol. Its been over 2 years. Time to move on guys.

[@StriderStryker]

Link/Cloud: *clash swords against each other*
Ganondorf/Sephiroth: *starts laughing at them*

[@JustAPrinnyDood]

Ganondorf: "I see this as an absolute win!"

[@regretgaming2446]

Sephiroth ' aw man means I'm gonna have to deal with him now'
Ganon 'sucks to be you.... mind if I take the triforce of courage?'
Sephiroth *pulls sword* 'over my dead body'
Boomstick 'its time for a dathbattlllllllllllllllle'

[@Jason-he1mr]

Ganondorf vs Sephiroth

[@andrewpenny4676]

@@Jason-he1mr Sorry he gonna have to take on dracula first.

[@davidgumazon]

Steve: Man, this Smash matchup is so good! **eats bread**
Death Battle not Smash xD

[@Articabyss64]

Real reason Link lost was because he was fighting with his right hand

[@pol024524]

:O

[@brownie8029]

Now I see why he won the first fight.

[@oonkymppa5923]

He was going easy because Cloud needed to have a chance

[@Fine793meadow]

@@oonkymppa5923 No he did not,if he uses the dark god mask than it proves he is going all out

[@oonkymppa5923]

@@Fine793meadow ever tried using your non-dominant hand?
100x less effective

[@TheTrueBobDole]

This still doesn't change the fact that they purposefully nerfed cloud in their first video. They always say they want to use the most powerful compilation of the characters. They then give cloud the most useless of his equipment and magic, and the lowest level possible to win ps1 game. Everything Cloud has and does in the rematch, he should've had in the first video! 😡

[@malikjackson9828]

The fist one was in season one where they never really done vs scaling before and were just started trying to figure it out.
Not to mention they didn’t know exactly how to do jrpg characters like cloud or link since it was their first big jrpg characters.

[@FriskTheLamp]

INACCURATE!!!! Link would’ve had at least 700 fairys because of duplication glitches and/or farming

[@ikeillue8385]

He did. But they were all sucked into the black hole when Cloud used Remove. :)

[@FriskTheLamp]

I missed that, thanks!

[@JLFans2019Singapore]

Cloud was overdated Link

[@ariwl1]

Character descriptions.
Link: Here are all the spells, tools, and abilities his many different incarnations have had over the years.
Cloud: Here are all the reasons he needs therapy.

[@DIEFORME173]

Pretty much

[@Silent_Fool]

Sephiroth: Hello there! I want a barbeque. A chocobo barbeque.

[@NoFocksGiven_]

Cloud: as my therapist says.
Stay where you belong.
In my head.

[@theadmirableadmiral7408]

@@NoFocksGiven_ I… will never stay in your head.

[@classicsagat]

@@Silent_Fool Or Midgar Zolom BBQ? I mean he made it ready for shishkabobs lolol

[@TheCayDawg]

Link lost cuz they didn't give him Z-Targeting

[@theyux1]

@ORLANDO JACK They allegedly dont allow outside help sometimes, and Z targeting was granted by the faries. Its why you could not z target ganadorf because he was to evil for the faeries.

[@McSquidification]

@@theyux1 This was always my problem with the previous match (animation). They went out of their way to say no outside help, but they let him Z target the omnislash.

[@Amaterasu-zl5yh]

So cloud won

[@aphato2770]

@@theyux1 I mean twilight princess link can z-target without a fairy. So can Botw Link. And Skyward sword link. And Windwaker link

[@TheCayDawg]

@@theyux1 that was only in Ocarina of Time/Majoras Mask. In the rest of the 3D games targeting is just a gameplay function.

[@jellyhamsters6197]

Man link would be even more broken in this fight with his new arm having a couple new abilities like moving objects in general and fusing them together, fusing objects to his weapons including other weapons, ascend letting him go through vertical objects and appearing on top, and letting him be able to rewind objects

[@ikeillue8385]

So... what is Link being able to move objects around and fuse them together going to do against someone who is, you know.... supernova levels of power on a low ball? Nothing. The answer is absolutely nothing.

[@rogue_2k374]

Well to be fair, at most it would fusing things with the Master Sword of the Ancient Dagger to try and one shot Cloud, which as pointed out, Link just doesn’t have enough speed to be able to reliably kill Cloud. I love Link, and am still a little salty at how the fight turned out, but even I agree with the end result.

[@Beegrene]

@@rogue_2k374 Ancient Dagger doesn't one-shot bosses. I think Cloud would qualify as a boss fight for Link.

[@tumultuousv]

​@@ikeillue8385cloud isn't that OP bruh

[@tumultuousv]

​@@Beegrene lore wise it does

[@sebastiankroneder2774]

The first one goes to Link. The second one to Cloud. Perfectly balanced. As all things should be.

[@darthvader473]

Fun Fact: You can do this in Smash Ultimate.

[@jaybomb5638]

That’s what I’m doing right now

[@jackel07-nerfgamingandmore95]

Huh... username checks out

[@letusdebatenow]

Fun fact: many of these moves cannot be replicated in smash ultimate

[@Koch2289]

yes

[@callmezeldaonemoartime]

And Sm4sh

[@pepperhead7589]

Plot twist: They are fighting because they argued who crossdressed better

[@epsyblue7714]

Gee thanks. Now I want to see them fighting in drag.

[@davidashton3671]

Personally Link in drag looks much better.

[@TheTrueHolyDarkness]

This.

[@darkfox1861]

@@davidashton3671 yep

[@KayLDay]

Omg yes

[@ChronisOfTheTwilight]

I feel avenged. Link should have NEVER WON against Cloud in the original Death Battle. Why did Cloud win here and not in the first? Easy answer. They ACTUALLY DID THE RESEARCH THIS TIME. If they did it the first time, Cloud would have never lost in the original.

[@js-pg2hc]

Love the remix of Song of storms when Link reveals himself and summons the lightning.

[@prodiga7]

The bit with link breaking pots and cloud trying to save them is priceless

[@TheDisplacerBeast]

Much like the pots were. Thats why cloud tried to protect them.

[@sirrealgaming6913]

much like the pots themselves

[@Silent_Fool]

Cloud got some Wallace Wisdom.

[@ikonyk4370]

Reminds me of Jackie chan

[@reaganhernandez6041]

13:05
Cloud Strife: "Excuse Me?!"

[@somacraig]

Link: *slowly rolls about 5 feet in 1 second*
Death Battle: HE CAN MOVE AT 1/10TH THE SPEED OF LIGHT!
Cloud: *swings a sword at a dragon*
Death Battle: HE'S MOVING AT 1200X THE SPEED OF LIGHT!!!
I wonder how fast these guys think Epona and the Hardy-Daytona are...

[@jasondarmasaputra7307]

I agree that statement is stupid, link should be considered predicting where the laser would hit, and dodged, and cloud is fighting a dragon who is probably slowing it self down in order to fight back, i mean we can see that the dragon stood still while he demolished that beast

[@DJCreepero]

@@jasondarmasaputra7307 this man already smarter than most researchers in death battle but sadly these researchers take it literally and use average also it felt unfair on how cloud can survive a supernova while link could barely handle it oh wait cloud almost died by a sword does that mean that sword can kill 5 solar systems no they just use average so Cloud wins

[@GuyWithAnAmazingHat]

On top of that the reaction speed needed isn't that much because Link dodging the "laser" is literally performed by any average player of the game.

[@theovernight1915]

@@jasondarmasaputra7307 I'll provide a little pushback here. I definitely had a similar reaction at first, but consider what's also happening here: game designers cannot make games that require a player be able to function at 1/10th the speed of light - never mind 1200x's the speed of light!
The game mechanics are designed to let us experience a simulation of being super-human but if you put the gameplay in a realistic setting, you could easily argue that for Link or Cloud to avoid laser beams (which probably would not politely draw lines in the dirt to give you a chance to avoid them) or dragon gods (who probably wouldn't politely wait for you to take your turn before ripping you to bits at ultra lightspeed) - they'd have to actually possess attributes sufficient to overcome those real-world threats!

[@caesarroe1283]

@@jasondarmasaputra7307 Nah it was Ultra Instinc dragon 😉😉

[@leoistari]

I kinda find hard to believe that Cloud can defeat the Fierce Deity, but in the other hand we don't know much besides Link becoming a Deity and being more powerful than Majora to the point that the fight becomes unfair

[@ikeillue8385]

Why is that hard to believe? Fierce Deity was capable of trivializing an entity who's best feat was moving a tiny moon (and even then, that is arguably not even a relevant feat. Using that would be akin to using Meteor as part of Sephiroth's arsenal/scaling.). On the other hand, Cloud literally survives a supernova, and is capable of dealing lethal damage to an entity who tanks a supernova with out even flinching.

[@IceBerg1620]

​@@ikeillue8385 Tifa and Yuffie also survive the Supernova. Do they all have Cloud's uber power level toughness?

[@ikeillue8385]

@@IceBerg1620 Depends on what you mean by that. Are they as tough as Cloud? Probably not quite. Are they tough enough to survive a supernova? Absolutely, since that is literally something we can literally watch them do.

[@matthewhyatt5740]

I've played both FF7 and nearly all the Zelda games, and I have to say they left out a lot of things on Link that could have easily changed the way of the fight, or how they measure the speed of Cloud made no sense. But in the end DB is just a show to watch for fun.

[@ikeillue8385]

@@matthewhyatt5740 I'm willing to bet that you are either underestimating Cloud, or overestimating the things Link gets. Cloud is stronger, faster, at least comparably skilled, and has an arsenal that directly counters everything Link has that could have been a problem otherwise, while simultaneously giving him multiple options that Link has no defense against.
Why does it not make sense how they measured Cloud's speed? Bahamut Fury was directly shown to be capable of traveling at those speeds (at least those speeds), so unless you are going to make the argument that Bahamut is one of the only creatures ever, both in the real world and in fiction, that is capable of moving faster than its able to perceive, there is nothing wrong with that scaling.

[@MeatPlanet]

So cloud and tifa can survive supernovas (if you have her in your party) butya won't give that scaling to her vs the yang fight.

[@ikeillue8385]

Thats because the Tifa vs Yang fight was an advertisement for RWBY, not an actual death battle. I mean, even using the blatantly inflated feats for Yang, and the blatantly low balled feats for Tifa that they gave in that video (literally only using the numbers they themselves gave), Tifa's final heaven still should have hit Yang for almost 20x her best durability calc.

[@troodontalon5990]

Adding to Ike's comment: it's also important to note that Yang vs Tifa came out six years before this episode did. Ben Singer, one of the show's main creators, has described that time period of the show as "before we knew what we were doing" and even admitted outright in the Q&A for this episode that Yang vs Tifa's result was incorrect.

[@deep-sleep4473]

Cloud: Cruising on his Motorcycle
Link: ...And I took that personally

[@SirMonty_]

I mean they both should've ridden motorcycles and have riding duel

[@nav3346]

And then Yusei shows up and sets 1 card face down

[@SirMonty_]

@@nav3346 yeah also bruno aka ANTINOMY

[@tquatMassEffect]

He probably just thought they were in a Mario cart level

[@creamncheese7761]

I actually wonder if that was the inspiration

[@blackshadow7354]

14:55 people were complaining about mipha's grace, how it wasn't used, but you can see mipha's magic and her voice here, link died but mipha saved him

[@tristanbowles7258]

Something I didn’t realize till the second watch. Very nice touch

[@sleepierhollow5892]

Kind of sucks man there are so many more things he could have used but didn't put any of them what about urbosa Fury daruk's protection or many other things like come on I don't want to sound salty or anyting but like they didn't use those things

[@edwardrealgames8906]

@@sleepierhollow5892 they explain why they don’t use those items. It comes down to I forgot what they said but yeah

[@palamecianrider7385]

@@sleepierhollow5892 its their explanation that when they put barriers or protection to both fighters, both also have ways to dispel them. Similar to the time stop conundrum.

[@justarandomguy54]

@@palamecianrider7385 I dunno, Zelda magic is different from FF7 magic. I’m not 100% sure dispel would work on Nayru’s love. And keep in mind that the magic armor, at least in TP, doesn’t make Link invincible, it just causes him to lose rupees instead of health. Until he runs out…
I’d like to see a version of this where they both bring their s-game. No holds barred, all the research, all their gear, nothing held back. Cause one time Cloud was neutered, now Link was neutered, not to Cloud’s extent, but he was. I don’t care if it’s an hour long special; let’s put it to rest. At least until Link gets some new toys next year.

[@dudewithachannel1163]

Ancient arrows: deletes anything
Link: shoots only one at Clouds bike

[@ikeillue8385]

To be fair, that was only because they actually wanted to show the arrow doing something, since hitting Cloud with it wouldn't actually do anything. Using both LOZ logic (ancient arrow doesn't get its instant kill effect on more powerful enemies, such as bosses and Guardians), and FFVII logic (Cloud literally has immunity to instant death effects, and if you want to argue the semantics of "banishing to another dimension", which is the kiddy version of saying "it kills them", Cloud still has battle field removal materia that sends enemies, or more importantly in this case himself, through dimensions.), ancient arrows are only damaging Cloud at absolute best.

[@marinohector9106]

You already posted that comment and made a complete fool of yourself in the ensuing debate.

[@ikeillue8385]

@@marinohector9106 I'm guessing you are one of the people I discussed with, who decided that I was "making a fool of myself" because you couldn't handle the fact that I didn't accept your head canon as fact? I don't know why you would consider it "making a fool of myself" otherwise, since I only bring up canon material to make my points.

[@cantthinkofausername5848]

​@@ikeillue8385 I'm pretty sure that guy was replying to the original comment. At least it makes more sense that way.

[@ikeillue8385]

@@cantthinkofausername5848 You know, now that you mention it, that is entirely possible. I've just had a number of people who get bent out of shape toward me, because they don't like my stance. But if thats the case, then I owe him an apology. :)

[@bismuth7398]

This fight really highlights the main difference between Link and Cloud as characters.
Link is a mostly-regular human (Hylian) from a medieval fantasy setting, whereas Cloud is a supersoldier from a science fiction setting.
They're evenly matched in a lot of ways, but Cloud just outstats him.

[@bellattery]

Bottem line Link loses because he's outmatched in literal power, i take back my comment years ago..

[@fnhatic6694]

The funny thing is if you dive into the comments, even fans of Final Fantasy are basically saying Death Battle got a lot of their info completely wrong, misattributed stuff to Cloud (he didn't fight Baphomet), and something like the Supernova attack literally cannot kill anyone since it does fractional damage and nothing else. And also it's canon in Final Fantasy that just basic bullets will kill any one of them because it's how half the cast gets killed.

[@bellattery]

@@fnhatic6694 yeah see, i made that comment years ago about the game itself shows and states Super Nova is literally a fraction damage attack with (status infliction) in the NA version it cannot kill anyone yet in JP it's an instant kill not even auto ress works through it it's instant game over which means Super Nova is nothing short of an illusion.
yes LMAO bullets kills the cast every time plus Cloud himself proves being impaled by weapons, falling from heights and being damaged by Shinra military weapons can easily kill him.

[@malibutaa]

@@bellatterySuper nova is not an illusion, though I do not make the claim that the party can survive it. Supernova is stated as Sephiroth’s ultimate move, capable of causing destruction in a separate dimension.

[@pandaeyez]

@@fnhatic6694 Cloud did fight Bahamat though and slayed it, in Advent Children.

[@MrLachek]

Link: Rolls like normal person.
DB: He is moving 1/10 light speed!

[@lightningandodinify]

The speed reasoning in death battles are generally abysmal and ridiculous. The same goes for their inferences on physical strength from feats that seem extreme but are clearly overthought compared to what the creators intended.

[@Vexiratus]

@@lightningandodinify Yep. If a character gets hit by a trillion ton asteroid accelerting super slowly, they'll say he's hit with 1000 quadrillon tons of tnt

[@ItachiYGO]

generally in most VS communities creator intent isn't really taken into account. you just analyze the feats in a void
if creator intent was taken into account, characters like Saitama would be literally invincible. since the whole point of the character is to never lose.

[@JustSomeMexicanwithaMustache]

@@ItachiYGO I wish some people would considered the creator intent, when it comes to VS debates, but that's just me.

[@YAYCONFORMITY]

His roll also probably has the force of 9 gagillion tons of tnt.

[@seanpazdera6407]

I would like to point out that in the lore, BotW Link didn't just get timed abilities from the Champions' spirits, he got their abilities themselves transferred to him. For example he should be able to heal whoever he wants, create air as he pleases, and spam Daruk's Protection like the people who were born with those powers.

[@Bleeperblopper497]

I don't think that matters much when the summon, Knights of the Round, ignores defenses along with Cloud having Protective Boots that make him Immune to Slow and Stop, therefore Cloud flat out wins in the Time Stopping department and people that say Link somehow resists Time Stopping are reaching too much.
The Q&A Blogspot posted by the Research Team and Ultraguy, after this fight came out, went into FULL detail on why Cloud definitely wins, not to mention compositing Link in general is BS and Non-Canon, has never been shown having all of his weapons and abilities at once in the games and the fact that the Hero of Time was clearly a separate being from Twilight Princess Link and had to actually teach the other person their techniques instead of remembering their past lives where even if you do composite, it only seems fair to let Cloud have all of his Materia which can actually counter all of Links Gear along with Clouds Ribbon, Boots, Summons and Spells, its just that most people think that Links gear is more memorable and don't pay much attention to all the stuff Cloud has and you can even make a good argument that Cloud actually CAN use any Materia as explained in the Q&A. They even debunked Universal Link in that one, too.
I was even able to change Smash Brackets mind on the Verdict too by pointing them towards that Q&A when they were sure Link had this with the Chateau Romani and Magic Cape, but again, Knights of the Round and a few other counters Cloud had that could make him attack intangible beings.

[@iTristendo]

@@Joker3180Z It is okay-watch the first version of this Death Battle.

[@iTristendo]

@@Joker3180Z true. The way they worded the ending (and the fact that they each have won against each other) proves to me that the fight can go either way.

[@iTristendo]

@@Joker3180Z I don't base the actual details of the fight as things that matter-it's more of the outcome. The fight is really just there to entertain us and the logistics of every detail doesn't matter as much. I actually agree with you and think that shouldn't be possible but that wasn't the point of the fight.

[@chadikhr7258]

@@Joker3180Z lmfao bruh bro really watched this vid and said ''i'm gonna pretend i didn't see that'' link simps lmao as for cloud simps they surley are eating good tonight

[@legitnoob6256]

With totk out, another remake of this should be due.

[@ikeillue8385]

Highly unlikely that they will do that. They already remade it once, and they only did it because it was an early fight (very poor research standards), that was a milestone (first RPG character and first 3d fight.).

[@matthewhyatt5740]

Even now this fight was poorly researched.

[@8Rincewind]

So what changed between this version and the 2012 version? I know Final Fantasy VII Remake was released, was it stuff from that that changed things? It looks like a lot of the stuff they were referencing for Cloud were in the older versions too. Have they just heard more convincing arguments in Cloud's favour since then. It would be great to have this change in position addressed by them directly.

[@ikeillue8385]

The thing that changed was their research standards. Cloud was their first RPG character in Death Battle, and that means there is a lot of player choice in what powers and what not they have. Because of this, in the original, they chose to create an "iconic" version of Cloud. Basically, its the character that most people think of, when they think of Cloud. The problems with that is, they used that as their standard, instead of looking at his actual feats and arsenal. Essentially, it turned Cloud from a solar system level, multi thousand times light speed moving expert warrior with a hugely versatile arsenal, into a guy with a big sword. Link has dealt with guys with big swords before, so the "iconic" version of Cloud they used lost.

[@JustAPrinnyDood]

I love how all the different Link's seemed to have unique personalities

[@gabrielsalas8227]

I suppose that's more like a reference to the manga four swords adventures, where they had different personalities created from the original Link (green over confidence and hardy, blue aggresive and short temper, red kind and sensible, purple level headed and focused)

[@azurbreak5682]

@@gabrielsalas8227 even canonically they do have différents personalities, just look at ww waker and ss link

[@tempest2789]

I mean, they are different people

[@rodjjt7742]

I love how Link died

[@justarandomguy54]

@@rodjjt7742 This outcome was bull. It honestly seems like they weakened Link by removing key abilities to hand Cloud the win. I demand a rerematch.

[@Ernireg3]

Everyone keeps saying Link was breaking Aerith's" pots but if you take a closer look, those pots have the Gerudo symbol on them.

[@OidBuddy]

Even if they do have the Gerudo symbol. The pots were probably meant to be Aerith"s. She probably bought them on amaxon or ebay.

[@geminuri]

she traded flowers for them. duh.

[@negr0mancer]

maybe aerith was a loz fan

[@jamesmerkel1932]

Or perhaps tifa, being the thoughtful one, bought them afterward to grow flowers in Aeriths memory. If they weren't tied to aerith in some way Cloud wouldn't have cared to keep link from breaking them lol

[@hyperuser5473]

Cloud is a tifa fan

[@seekay8079]

you missed the part where link's sword breaks after 2 hits

[@jonbradley4044]

Glad they rectified their mistake from the first battle. That one was a farce where they gave Cloud no materia and downplayed his superhuman feats in Advent Children.
Cloud stomps all forms of Link. Theyre just not on the same tiers. Link vs Tidus would be more fair. Or Cloud vs Kratos

[@Vosiss]

That's why I don't get how this link with upgraded arsenal would lose but the one from a decade ago was stronger lol

[@jonbradley4044]

@@Vosiss because they nerfed Cloud to a point it was comically bias

[@norrecvizharan1177]

@@jonbradley4044 This time they did the direct opposite where they buffed the hell out of him by saying that being whisked through space from a boss = absurd reaction time and movement speed, apparently. That's my main gripe with this one, is that they judged his speed stats off something that wasn't even from him, especially since it's a level that would've literally trivialized everything else in the setting if it was accurate.

[@jonbradley4044]

@@norrecvizharan1177 yeah I their multiple times faster than light calculations they come up with like in the Goku v Superman battles don't always make a whole lot of sense. Especially when things like tanking a supernova are gameplay mechanics more than actual canon feats of power.
Live action movies are generally much more reliable indicators. Which is why we know Cloud is so powerful, because of Advent Children where they had him blocking bullets and jumping like 300 meters at a time while cutting through concrete and steel buildings.

[@KRIOSthe5th]

This has to be the most visually stunning battle for me. Link catching the lightning, Cloud rising in the fire, Fierce Diety rising from the rubble, Cloud in the moon, and the final 9999 were all poster worthy. It was beautiful

[@JamisonWormley]

this fight was amazing 10/10

[@pantherman691]

That was humiliating

[@theggamer2824]

Technically His red Ring would reduce that damage to around 2500 damage

[@weskintime4177]

@@theggamer2824 still more than enough.

[@wind64a39]

​@@theggamer2824 9999 is the damage cap, but it's possible to get the base force behind it to become far greater. In that case, the reduced damage will still hit 9999.

[@Sorenthaz]

First deathbattle: Sure Cloud is strong, but he has no way to keep up with Link's arsenal.
Second deathbattle: Sure Link has a huge arsenal, but there's no way he can keep up with Cloud's speeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed.

[@iguanaboi3921]

I'm noticing a trend among the rematches. The loser of the first match wins the rematch due to the inverse of what caused them to lose the first time. I.E Mario lost to Sonic because he couldn't counter his speed, but in the rematch, he beat Sonic because speed was his only advantage

[@nicholasblessing4457]

@@iguanaboi3921 Wait they changed the outcome of the rematch for Mario vs. Sonic too? That was the only one I skipped because I assumed they were doing the same thing they did with Samus vs Boba?

[@FLCLHarukoHaruhara]

Fukkin right? I'll stick to DBS1 Link vs Cloud

[@youtubestuff683]

@@FLCLHarukoHaruhara I like both characters kinda equally. I feel that either one had the potential to win this fight so the fact that they both have a win is fine by me. But the Mario vdms Sonic rematch kinda sucked, because as far as I remember they didn't bring up the fact that Sonic can (and this is still canon in the comics I believe) run faster then time.

[@FLCLHarukoHaruhara]

@@youtubestuff683 I'm just being a fanboy. Don't mind me. :P

[@Night-slasher05]

The part where link played the song of storms was cold 🥶🥶

[@RealCFZ]

A knight who was fallen down during the calamity and comes back alive 100 years later but is physically and mentally a teenager vs A trooper turned super soldier who was experimented and tortured for 5 years but is mentally a teenager.