Why metal fans don't care about lyrics or vocals (TesseracT)
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- Опубликовано: 13 сен 2023
- Amos Williams of Tesseract discusses why metal fans don't care about lyrics or vocals and how the band is trying to change that.
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If everything besides vocals are on point, it’s easy enough to like a song. But good vocals, clean or otherwise, along with profound lyrics, can truly define a song.
Vocals are what got me into bands like Killswitch Engage, Whitechapel, Slaughter to Prevail, Alice In Chains and Knocked Loose.
Agreed. Typically, vocals make a song stick for me.
Knocked loose vocals suck
I never gave Tesseract a chance until I watched this. War of being is an amazing work of art
Massively underrated band
One is amazing too
Most metal fans definitely care about vocals (it’s the reason there’s still a massive group of people who can’t get into death metal), but it’s true that most don’t care about lyrics. I think metal is just so supercharged with other high-energy things (riffs, solos, intricate drums etc), lyrics take a back seat and don’t necessarily need to be the greatest.
I guess I'm in a very micro-niche group of listeners, because I'm very particular about vocals and lyrics. 🧐
What an album this is!
This is such a cool topic to talk about. For many years I’ve always been of the mindset that, good tunes can save not so good vocals, but good vocals go nowhere if the tunes are crap. For example, I LOVE Children of Bodom…but those lyrics, and the monotony of the way they’re sung?
Nowadays however, thanks to bands like Sleep Token, Spiritbox, Lorna Shore - these bands have something to say. I find myself in the past two years looking up lyrics now, like I did when I was young reading the inserts in tapes and cd’s.
I think there’s only 2 songs that I can think of where lyrics don’t really matter. It works w/ it in a strange way. 1 is yellow ledbedder by pearl jam and black label by lamb of god. Obviously the lyrics are indecipherable but it goes w/ it. On the other hand im big on lyrics. I wanna know what you’ve got to say so… it sure can get tricky
Vocals make or break metal for me. If the lyrics of vocals aren't my taste, I'm gone.
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The music itself can convey far deeper emotions than any words, and is far easier to connect to. Words aren’t the only way to tell a great story.
Im not too fussed about lyrics, but i listen to the vocals as an instrument so they have to sound good.
Even if the music is amazing, bad vocals are a deal breaker for me unfortunately
I think most people who like metal, think other people who like metal don't care about lyrics because most songs have awful writing that are over-done clichés which offers nothing new. To me the songs that are memorable, are the ones where the lyrics/singing is on par with the instruments. That's why I don't like djent, if the lyrics/the message are an afterthought, the song itself becomes an afterthought to me. Last Resort is not a song that's memorable because of the instruments, neither are songs like Given Up, Pisces, Popular Monster, and that's not to say they have bad instrumentation, it's to say those songs are memorable because the poignant lyrics makes the whole song have a reason to excist and a reason for me to listen to it.
was heavily fucking with and liking one track of theirs's until the vocals came on. Completely fucked it up NGL lmao
Vocals aren’t totally an afterthought but the lyrics definitely are. And for most of metal I’d say it’s because the lyrics suck and/or the vocals are hard to understand,so why bother learning them.
The problem is that metal lyrics are often streotypes strung together, and barked unintelligibly into the ether. There is often no melody, and since the lyrics ofren can't be understood, they kind of just become a space filler for all the other stuff about metal that is interesting.
I am a lyricist at heart, I don't particularly care about themes, but I find it gripping when lyrics are protained to a songs name or to a story being told in an album. But most of all, I listen for interesting phrasing and rather uncommon lyrics to use. Perfect example, and song written by Metalcore band Silent Planet, their vocalist Garrets lyrics are one of my favorite parts of the band, same as Tesseract. Granted, I only care about lyrics in certain genres of Metal or the specific bands and such, where as death metal or black metal two of my favs, I don't really care because I listen to riffs there.
On the flip side, a big reason I personally have so much distain towards modern mainstream music is cause lyrics are pure garbage, at least in the trap scene and a percentage of the pop scene. I'd be grabbed more if there was actually love put into a message instead of just, "I just fucked your bitch"
Any fans of those genres, feel free to correct me if I sound naive. :)
you should listen to Atmosphere. they arent mainstream or trap, but some great lyrics, and great messages in some modern hip hop
I definitely care about vocals but lyrics arent that important to me. I care more about the instrumentation than lyrics just like somebody who likes pop music may not care about instrumentation and focuses more on the lyrics. Theres nothing right or wrong either way, just a different preference.
Also, metal lyrics arent as easy to understand as a pop or country song so I think thats part of why it becomes a bit of an afterthought to some people.
This is honestly why unclean vocals is a fad that seriously needs to end in metal. What's the point in writing good lyrics in a song if nobody can understand what you're saying because its all unmelodic screeching and growling? Singers seriously need to make a comeback in metal. Geoff Tate, Bruce Dickinson, Klaus Meine, Mark Boals, James LaBrie all had such distinctive voices that complimented the music perfectly, now it's all a bunch of cookie monster bullshit from wannabe Phil Anslemo clones.
Iron Maiden, DT and other "singing" bands are the reason I listen to cookie monster stuff. For more than 25 years I've been waiting for the day IM ceases to exist. So, as you can see, there are different people with different taste in music. Some were driven off by incessent high pithed C, some by grunting and growling.
Well what’s wrong with Phil’s vocal style? You can understand what he’s saying even when he’s not clean singing.
@@skullcandy5411 There's nothing wrong with it, its just that his vocal style has become the standard for literally every goddamn metal band who's gained some level of popularity in the 21st century. The only exception would probably be Ghost or bands with female singers like Within Temptation, Evanesence, Nightwish...With male singers there's no diversity anymore, its all a bunch of guys who growl like a constipated fucking Cookie Monster.
You shouldn't have to go scouring the entire internet to find some hella obscure band that's inspired by 80s metal that either doesn't play live or does very shitty live shows in some fucking toilet bowl dive bar.