Ishmael is NOT Big Boss ULTIMATE PROOF
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- Опубликовано: 7 дек 2018
- I do think Venom Snake is real but I have my serious doubts about Ishmael. More so, I don't think we are being told the entire truth about Mgs5 story, hence the George Orwell 1984 messages all over place.
Another side video for fun, next sprite battle will involve a DBZ character. :) 
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The biblical name Ishmael also represents someone of low standing that who will rise up a great nation. The medic was of low standing, he raised a nation of the diamond dogs.
In the fight scene of the two mother base members,
Big boss gets hit by the knife on his chest.But he doesn't seem to be bothered about it..
But ishmael after being hit by quiet's knife. shows pain
Probably because Ishmael just came out of a coma and was weak and venom snake was in peak physical shape
Ishmael was his past identity..
Remember they put all of this thoughts in his mind!
so just when he thinks he is the big boss this will work!
Know what im saying?
i like PythonSelkan's video where he says that Ground Zeroes was a training simulation for Venom to adapt to becoming 'Big Boss', and Phantom Pain was him experiencing a flashback of his life as he lay dying at the end of Metal Gear 1, which explains why he saw all these weird hallucinations (and the X-ray where he's riddled with bullets, not shrapnel), because it was a glitch in his memory of his real experiences (as Venom during the real life Phantom Pain events e.g. Venom fighting Skull Face and building Outer Haven) mixing with Big Boss's actual memories of the past (e.g. Volgin now a firey man on the fire horse). just like how when Venom sees Paz, she was just a phantom but Miller and Ocelot played along like she was actually there. anytime Paz's phantom saw conflicting information she would block it out, well Venom did the same thing (just like us the player did initially) by blocking out information that didn't fit with us playing as the real Big Boss (like this video explains).
so we were tricked into thinking
1. that we were playing as Big Boss both in GZ and PP (first playthrough)
2. that we were playing as Big Boss in GZ but Venom snake the whole time in PP (plot twist reveal at the end)
3. then finally both events/games were just simulations that Venom experienced due to the brainwashing and were hallucinations of his past experiences as Venom glitching with Big Boss implanted memories
MGS1 Was set in 2005 I believe, which is set way after MSGV. I may be wrong but I think I'm correct.
@@theurbangoose4126 yeah but he talks about metal gear 1, not Metal gear solid 1 ;)
@@theurbangoose4126 Venom Snake was killed in 1995.
The x-ray with bullets where is it? Im searching all over the internet for naught
Bro venom snake was under hypnosis and doesnt see the real form of big boss he sees random guy
He did not see a random guy he saw his former-self. Then the timeline inconsistency can't be denied
Only way for this to make sense is if we consider Ishmael and the medic as the same person that still lives on as venom Snake’s subconscious that’s “looking out for him” the same way he imagined Paz was still alive. In the tape that Big Boss reveals to the medic about him being his phantom, Big Boss never states that he was with him in the hospital. What if the medic just imagined Big Boss being there for reassurance, to make him self think that the Big boss actually cares for him and was taking care of him the whole time he was on a coma and isn’t just using him. They could of used his old self through out the game as a way to slowly but surely remember his past life. It’s also important to note that even if venom snake remembers his original life, that wouldn’t necessarily mean that he would be his “normal self” once again, his very being and consciousness could be a combination of both Snakes and the medics mentality making a brand new person in his own right. We never really played as the medic we just used his body, the medic in a way died the moment he fell in a coma (lives on as Ishmael in venom snakes subconscious) and we as the player in a way spawn in on the game in the medic’a body with no consciousness lol that’s kinda artistic almost made me shed a tear seeing Kojimas intent because that would mean that we never really played as Venom snake either but that Venom snake is literally us. 😢.
that really makes a lot of sense, it fits wiht BB persona, if the medic was supposed to be a fake snake to protect the real snake, then BB wouldn't be the one in charge to protect him, cus hes risking his life, and the point of venom snake is to get BB out of danger, plus it makes BB fit more the one we meet in the mgs 2 first games, no clear morals, and using soldiers to his advantage
@@adolfogarzachaires394 well except there is no discussion 'bout those two fotos BB leaves you with the one's given to you by the doctor
edit: dat Raikov mask and Joakim Mogren mask as well
7:15 Not to mention even if Ishmael was indeed hit via the impact of the crash, why is it that at the end he's totally clean? Did his supposed cuts and injuries somehow magically heal in minutes along the way to the lighthouse, how would that happen? Nobody would come out of a crash like that with zero injuries.
Also, the knife that Ishmael took out of his shoulder, doesn't have a hole and blood
Because venom jumped in the way
No he spent years in a coma but not 9
Also another oddity about Ishmael is that Quiet threw a knife into him and yet again, there's no wound, not even so, much as a tear on his apron.
Probably just developers making a mistake
@@istandwithisrael5110 It's not. Kojima doesn't make that mistake. He's way too detail oriented.
@@irishock Normally I'd agree, but then we should see burn marks on Venom Snake and character models riddled with bullet holes in their clothes.
Lol he literally has his hand on the wound when he's talking to you after quiet burns out the window
@@irishockbrother kojima isn't God, hell great part of what he did such as the writing was alongside a looot of people
Seems pretty sound. It's always interesting to pick apart a story's holes and possible find new things about it.
I think the reason why he fought like a regular man was because he was in a coma for 9 years and probably forgot how to do fight with CQC or didn't have the physical and mental strength for it.
Yeah but Venom can vs Soviets straight away in Afghanistan and with a Bionic Arm. I believe this video
Also to not pull up any suspicions on him
in mgs4 big boss beats old snake in cqc just after waking up
Also, Ishmael seems to NOT have any hair or beard. If Ishmael would be Big Boss, how could he have grown a beard and almost shoulder-long hair in just a few hours?
disguise
Unless I remember incorrectly, I don't think we see the REAL big boss in mgsv tpp
@@sham5219 you see him in the ending revealing the truth
Artificial Eye and shaved his beard, also did hide in the other room from the people before the place got shot up, Ishmael went with a gun while others were shooting at him and then went to the car. On fire and did get stab ( game mistake, no blood) That’s all Ishmael, Goes to show people have a horrific IQ situation.
@@foxtrotsierraproductions8626The last time we see John for real is in MGS4. Ground Zeroes is a virtual mission for Punished Venom Snake and the motorcycle cutscene in Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain is just Punished Venom Snake's assumption for what happened.
What a coincidence. I'd just started another playthrough of this yesterday after leaving it alone for a year.
MGSV really is the ultimate lie, 1984 represented in the form of a video game. Scary really. It's, so subversive on many levels.
i like PythonSelkan's video where he says that Ground Zeroes was a training simulation for Venom to adapt to becoming 'Big Boss', and Phantom Pain was him experiencing a flashback of his life as he lay dying at the end of Metal Gear 1, which explains why he saw all these weird hallucinations (and the X-ray where he's riddled with bullets, not shrapnel), because it was a glitch in his memory of his real experiences (as Venom during the real life Phantom Pain events e.g. Venom fighting Skull Face and building Outer Haven) mixing with Big Boss's actual memories of the past (e.g. Volgin now a firey man on the fire horse). just like how when Venom sees Paz, she was just a phantom but Miller and Ocelot played along like she was actually there. anytime Paz's phantom saw conflicting information she would block it out, well Venom did the same thing (just like us the player did initially) by blocking out information that didn't fit with us playing as the real Big Boss (like this video explains).
so we were tricked into thinking
1. that we were playing as Big Boss both in GZ and PP (first playthrough)
2. that we were playing as Big Boss in GZ but Venom snake the whole time in PP (plot twist reveal at the end)
3. then finally both events/games were just simulations that Venom experienced due to the brainwashing and were hallucinations of his past experiences as Venom glitching with Big Boss implanted memories
Lol thank goodness I’m not the only one who thinks Big Boss isn’t Ishmael each MGS title is very detailed it’s hard to imagine that Kojima would forget about the time stamps, Big Boss’ missing his right eye, and his fighting style. Great Video and V reminds me of something Eva once said to Big Boss in 3 that the truth is hidden in the lies maybe it could imply to V as well
This is cool, but for example it still doesn't explain the tape in wich BB talks with Zero about creating Venom from the medic, or fact that the The Boss AI doesn't recognize Venom as Jack, or when they find out that Venom's DNA doesn't correspond to Eli's DNA.
the tapes are all auditory hallucinations, memories implanted during his brainwashing
@@Afflictamine There is only one big boss venom is a hallucination
Ocelot set up the attack on Mother Base in 1975. Skullface had no need or motive to attack Mother Base, nor was he likely present at the attack. Ocelot however, in his lifelong quest to fulfil his mother’s will, had motive to remove the now directionless Big Boss.
At the end of Peace Walker we see Big Boss abandon his own interpretation of the Boss’s will. He no longer believed in the Boss. The hero of GroznyjGrad was gone and instead there was just a mercenary with no direction in his place. Ocelot couldn’t of liked that his idol and the man who was to carry his mother’s legacy had suddenly let it all go. We know both Zero and Sigint were involved in Peace Walker, we don’t know how Ocelot was involved, or even if he was involved. But we do know Ocelot had a long history of secret units (like his own unit in Snake Eater) and we know XOF is a secretive arm of the Patriots and formally part of FOX. We also know they, and Skullface, were not present in Costa Rica. It is my belief that Skullface was enacting his plan to take out Zero during this time and that Ocelot is the one who informed him about Paz (who played a role Ocelot would usually play) and that she knew where Zero was. Ocelot would even promise to deliver Paz and, by extension, Zero to Skullface. For a price.
Big Boss needed to lose MSF, he needed to regain purpose and he needed to become the legendary Naked Snake again, as opposed to some vagabond gun for hire. Ocelot approached Huey, acting as an inspection agency. This ensured he could keep Big Boss off of the base during the attack. Things got out of hand when Big Boss arrived back at base though, ending with the crash that wasn’t supposed to transpire. Skullface wasn’t supposed to try and kill Big Boss via Paz either. Neither of these events factored into Ocelot’s plan.
Ocelot needed Miller out of the picture, however after the botched destruction of Mother Base he couldn’t just have him killed because he would still hold use in the future. That’s why they were separated at the hospital. Ocelot had a golden opportunity to reshape John into the man he should have been. Having Miller around could have ruined the process. Through tapes, hypnotic suggestion, prolonged exposure to ideas in a controlled environment and through Ocelot’s usual methods of drugging and electrotherapy he breaks Big Boss down to the basics, to a canvas he can reshape into the legend he believes Big Boss should be. He kills off the identity of “John” by creating the narrative that he is a separate person.
Miller would be a problem here because he would remind Big Boss of their dream. He could deconstruct Ocelot’s brainwashing of Big Boss. So Ocelot has Miller captured and tortures him severely. We know from MGS and MGS2 that Ocelot was a notorious torturer within the Soviet forces in Afghanistan in the 80s. We know that’s where he got the handle “Shalashaska” and we know he was notorious in the region. We also know the Soviets, with the assistance of the Skulls (a Cipher unit) captured Miller, put a bag over his head, limited his vision with sensual deprivation and then he was tortured for no clear reason. His arm and leg were removed, he was likely reminded constantly about the people who died, who he let down. Ocelot needed to break Miller, to turn him insane. Miller would serve as motivation for the newly revamped Big Boss and would also be key in helping drum up troops to follow the legend once more. Money no longer mattered, revenge did. Miller was so broken and vengeful that he had no inclination to look at what was going on. He never even questioned what Ocelot was doing on Mother Base or how he had gained so much influence over operations there. He didn’t question why Ocelot’s KGB unit were on the base with them.
Ocelot, for his part, did not want to trigger Big Boss’s memory either. So he behaved completely out of character. He acted like a subordinate to a man he basically had to spoon feed. He spent very little time with the rest of Mother Base’s management team, he took it upon himself to DNA test Eli despite MB having a state of the art medical wing. Ocelot couldn’t risk having “Venom” realise he was the real Big Boss because it would possibly trigger a return to his 1975 outlook.
Ocelot is only ever seen behaving like himself away from Big Boss. In front of him he’s this yes man with little personality. He still held Big Boss’s hand and led him down certain paths. The head trauma Big Boss suffered left him in an already damaged and incoherent state so it wasn’t hard for Ocelot to take control from the background.
For the lie to be complete Ocelot decides to trigger Big Boss’s belief he isn’t the original. After the breakdown over Paz it became clear to Ocelot that he needed to advance the illusion to cement the idea. As far as ‘Venom’ and Miller needed to know, the man who gave up on the Boss was gone, he was off somewhere starting some fruitless adventure as a complete nobody. But he’d left a message for ‘Venom’. “You’re Big Boss, he is the both of us together”. He was no longer Big Boss, rather, Big Boss was no longer John. Big Boss was a story that would unite the world. The way Ocelot believed his mother had wanted. An icon to unify under that didn’t have a nation, a religion, an economic or sociological model. A man who would fight for what he believed in whilst risking his life for others. Not some money driven war criminal, but a hero. Not an enemy of the times like the Big Boss of 1975, but an icon of the times, like the Big Boss who stopped Nuclear annihilation time and again in the 60s and early 70s. Ocelot could never be the man to carry out his mother’s will in the public eye, he was too far gone by the time he understood. But Big Boss could be that person.
We know there was no limit to how far Ocelot would go to see the Boss’s vision realised. Between him and Solid Snake it finally was. Big Boss at the end of everything had regained himself, and probably held onto a bit of his mental doppelganger too. As he made peace with his clone at the end of his life he realised why Ocelot had acted the way he did, and how when his Venom Snake plan fell through Ocelot had decided to put himself through the same ordeal. Ocelot really did carry out the Boss’s will, at the sacrifice of his own name, image, legacy and life. Just like his mother before him.
@@RedMist97 wow thats a big read. but ocelot brainwashed himself, so wouldn't that mean he would have interfered in his own plan ? all of this could still be true in venom's mind/hallucinations because venom can't tell the difference between what is real and what isn't
@@RedMist97 a long text that I don't need to read to know that you don't played and don't know the history of the Metal Gear 1 of 1987 and Metal Gear 2 of 1990!
If Venom Snake is not real, tell me who Solid Snake confront in the end of MG1 and kills with a flamethrower in the end of MG2?
@@kdash4261 Big boss survived the MGS1 and was killed in MGS2. The same way we have believed it happened many years ago before mgs v came out.
There is only one big boss venom is a hallucination
Ocelot set up the attack on Mother Base in 1975. Skullface had no need or motive to attack Mother Base, nor was he likely present at the attack. Ocelot however, in his lifelong quest to fulfil his mother’s will, had motive to remove the now directionless Big Boss.
At the end of Peace Walker we see Big Boss abandon his own interpretation of the Boss’s will. He no longer believed in the Boss. The hero of GroznyjGrad was gone and instead there was just a mercenary with no direction in his place. Ocelot couldn’t of liked that his idol and the man who was to carry his mother’s legacy had suddenly let it all go. We know both Zero and Sigint were involved in Peace Walker, we don’t know how Ocelot was involved, or even if he was involved. But we do know Ocelot had a long history of secret units (like his own unit in Snake Eater) and we know XOF is a secretive arm of the Patriots and formally part of FOX. We also know they, and Skullface, were not present in Costa Rica. It is my belief that Skullface was enacting his plan to take out Zero during this time and that Ocelot is the one who informed him about Paz (who played a role Ocelot would usually play) and that she knew where Zero was. Ocelot would even promise to deliver Paz and, by extension, Zero to Skullface. For a price.
Big Boss needed to lose MSF, he needed to regain purpose and he needed to become the legendary Naked Snake again, as opposed to some vagabond gun for hire. Ocelot approached Huey, acting as an inspection agency. This ensured he could keep Big Boss off of the base during the attack. Things got out of hand when Big Boss arrived back at base though, ending with the crash that wasn’t supposed to transpire. Skullface wasn’t supposed to try and kill Big Boss via Paz either. Neither of these events factored into Ocelot’s plan.
Ocelot needed Miller out of the picture, however after the botched destruction of Mother Base he couldn’t just have him killed because he would still hold use in the future. That’s why they were separated at the hospital. Ocelot had a golden opportunity to reshape John into the man he should have been. Having Miller around could have ruined the process. Through tapes, hypnotic suggestion, prolonged exposure to ideas in a controlled environment and through Ocelot’s usual methods of drugging and electrotherapy he breaks Big Boss down to the basics, to a canvas he can reshape into the legend he believes Big Boss should be. He kills off the identity of “John” by creating the narrative that he is a separate person.
Miller would be a problem here because he would remind Big Boss of their dream. He could deconstruct Ocelot’s brainwashing of Big Boss. So Ocelot has Miller captured and tortures him severely. We know from MGS and MGS2 that Ocelot was a notorious torturer within the Soviet forces in Afghanistan in the 80s. We know that’s where he got the handle “Shalashaska” and we know he was notorious in the region. We also know the Soviets, with the assistance of the Skulls (a Cipher unit) captured Miller, put a bag over his head, limited his vision with sensual deprivation and then he was tortured for no clear reason. His arm and leg were removed, he was likely reminded constantly about the people who died, who he let down. Ocelot needed to break Miller, to turn him insane. Miller would serve as motivation for the newly revamped Big Boss and would also be key in helping drum up troops to follow the legend once more. Money no longer mattered, revenge did. Miller was so broken and vengeful that he had no inclination to look at what was going on. He never even questioned what Ocelot was doing on Mother Base or how he had gained so much influence over operations there. He didn’t question why Ocelot’s KGB unit were on the base with them.
Ocelot, for his part, did not want to trigger Big Boss’s memory either. So he behaved completely out of character. He acted like a subordinate to a man he basically had to spoon feed. He spent very little time with the rest of Mother Base’s management team, he took it upon himself to DNA test Eli despite MB having a state of the art medical wing. Ocelot couldn’t risk having “Venom” realise he was the real Big Boss because it would possibly trigger a return to his 1975 outlook.
Ocelot is only ever seen behaving like himself away from Big Boss. In front of him he’s this yes man with little personality. He still held Big Boss’s hand and led him down certain paths. The head trauma Big Boss suffered left him in an already damaged and incoherent state so it wasn’t hard for Ocelot to take control from the background.
For the lie to be complete Ocelot decides to trigger Big Boss’s belief he isn’t the original. After the breakdown over Paz it became clear to Ocelot that he needed to advance the illusion to cement the idea. As far as ‘Venom’ and Miller needed to know, the man who gave up on the Boss was gone, he was off somewhere starting some fruitless adventure as a complete nobody. But he’d left a message for ‘Venom’. “You’re Big Boss, he is the both of us together”. He was no longer Big Boss, rather, Big Boss was no longer John. Big Boss was a story that would unite the world. The way Ocelot believed his mother had wanted. An icon to unify under that didn’t have a nation, a religion, an economic or sociological model. A man who would fight for what he believed in whilst risking his life for others. Not some money driven war criminal, but a hero. Not an enemy of the times like the Big Boss of 1975, but an icon of the times, like the Big Boss who stopped Nuclear annihilation time and again in the 60s and early 70s. Ocelot could never be the man to carry out his mother’s will in the public eye, he was too far gone by the time he understood. But Big Boss could be that person.
We know there was no limit to how far Ocelot would go to see the Boss’s vision realised. Between him and Solid Snake it finally was. Big Boss at the end of everything had regained himself, and probably held onto a bit of his mental doppelganger too. As he made peace with his clone at the end of his life he realised why Ocelot had acted the way he did, and how when his Venom Snake plan fell through Ocelot had decided to put himself through the same ordeal. Ocelot really did carry out the Boss’s will, at the sacrifice of his own name, image, legacy and life. Just like his mother before him.
My mind has fucking blew
You Really did a great Job thank you so much Hideo Kojima always make us confused with his Fantasy Story, it's too bad that he didn't make it sense and motion to know which characters even the voices of Venom and Big Boss are the same that huge mistake.
i never seen reveal video like this of Metal Gear Solid 5, i hope you have a good day also for your family as always! 😊
If venom is actually a doppelganger...it makes sense as to why Eli's DNA did not match...
everyone knows that
@@macaco_amigo
Not me at the time, I didn't finish the game or anything. Also tbh i don't remember what i knew at that specific time soooo i can't comment much on my lack of knowledge.
ok
I'm really hoping that this is one big prank by kojima. but if it is that just leaves in the question what is really going on?
Xam HeHeHe this game was before liquid and solid were born liquid is in the game as (eli) his kid self.
The image of Skull Face mirrored in the bike's left rearview at 10:03 during Episode 46 Truth The Man Who Sold The World ending cutscene may also cause some "conflicts" of massive magnitude with the viewer's "internal timeline" "for a S-Special reason."
Ishmael wasn't real then who was Quiet fighting, who was driving, and who left Venom Snake in the car after the accident, also will you be doing more Metal Gear theories?
We dont know. Venom Snake memory of that event cant be trusted. Probably Pyscho Mantis intervened and saved Venom. Mantis can set people on fire and create illusions.
Venom Snake was likely doing the driving himself until he got a bullet to his shrapnel and disoriented him enough to crash the car. Think of it like the movie Fight Club.
Probably will when I am bored and when I think of anything else that stands out to me.
But wasn't Pshyco Mantis the child that saved Liquid in the incomplete ending?
Mantis is around a lot in MGS5, he was mostly with Skullface. He was first with Volgin, then Skullface and then to Liquid.
there was a secret cutscene that shows ishmael face because mod was just a fan made
@@mouse8669 i wanna see it say how the video is called
He doesn't look like big boss because he's not supposed to
stonecold derp but in the cutscene on the bike he has a beard
@@sundin2799 it must be hidden or its set later on
Stonecold Parkin like when the medic is told that the shrapnel stuck in his head distorts what he see so maybe he was seeing himself instead of big boss
@@powdermynuttz7400 why doesn't big boss in mgs4 have shrapnel.
@@DirtyGeorge because it wasn't the boss that had sharpnel it was, medic guy that took the hit see the ground zeroes cut scene you'll understand then..
Well at the very least ill agree he isn't venom snake. I don't see any similarity at all in appearance and all of your other arguments are sound..
I think Ishmael is a hallucination because he dies and disappears a few times and that it is sort of like a Victor Resnov
Something smells very Solidus around here....
I thought so too, just like how he saw Paz and skull face as hallucinations, he's not all there
I always figured that Ismael was never Big Boss, and I think you're onto something about his true identity being that of the Medic's, especially about his unbandaged face after mods helped to remove it. If you have any other theories you would like to talk about, please don't hesitate! Your videos are amazing as ever, Vegito!
He is
Ishmael/Big Boss not fighting normal against Quiet is not that far fetched. Kojima has done this before. He likes to strip away the legend of his characters and humanize them by making them struggle in the eyes of another perspective.
Remember Vamp making quick work of Solid Snake in MGS2?? Who at the time was also using a disguise to hide his identity. A guy who in the game prior (which took place only 4 years before) was doing Olympic style acrobatic flips to dodge missiles from a tank and beating a CYBORG NINJA in a bare knuckle fist fight....allows Vamp to not only get the drop on him and disarm him..but just sits there on his knees as Vamp lifts him up with one hand like he's a weakling. But in the end...Plisken is still revealed to be Snake. He just got caught slipping , same as Big Boss.
Don’t forget, Quite blames Venom for her becoming a skull. She was clearly fighting Ishmael the entire time. Why would she blame Venom for something that Ishmael did?
She can't tell
@@DirtyGeorge are you serious? She couldn’t tell the difference between a person in a medical dress, with bandages covering his entire face, that is up and moving and her target that is half dead on the floor in pants... okay
how about the XOF soldiers shooting the bloodied corpses not noticing the very clean ishmael ,the soldiers also move a leaking drip bag right from under Ish like he's not even there,And him being the only one not effected by the fire blast in the hallway
3 more clues, first he injects himself in the arm, he gets shot at the hallway, the third one only happens if you are faster than him while trying to reach gun, you'll see how Venom clearly moves his hands to take it but the camera shows Ismael getting it first anyway. Next time you play wait for him to kill the guard, then run for the gun and you'll what I'm talking about.
Moreover when the helicopter spotlight was pointed at him the gunner just didn't care. But when it was pointed at Ahab "with a single burst of its machine gun it cut Ahab in half"
Well i used to think that until i remember that Snake (big boss) have a scar in his chest like the boss had.
And venom don't have,and i don't think the medics would (or could) remove it since they wan't to make him pass for the real Big Boss.
Also the old Big Boss mg4 don't have any scars on his forehead,also the medic say that venom shrapnel could not be removed.
I'm... I'm just fucking blown away, man... I... I have no words. Fuck...
Kojima you magnificent fucking TROLL. You played us like a damn fiddle!
The time inconsistency could just be a mess up considering how they were rushing the game out the door and giving Kojimbo the boot at the time.
Honestly all of the inconsistencies can be summed up to this very reason. People keep making videos 5+ years later trying to pick apart inconsistencies and find hidden truths when the "ultimate" truth is the game was rushed and never reached its full potential of the story Kojima wanted to tell lol.
If Ishmael and Medic have a specific face; then who is the face we create at the start of the game? I always thought medic had the face we made in character creator (I always make generic white male face so never noticed haha)
Kudos on this too, you're editing is pretty good
If you're trying to keep your identity you gotta fight like someone else, act like someone else
The entire game is just a result of hypnogogic hallucinations and memory implant short circuits.
how could ishmael be venom's mind if he fighted with quiet and escaped from the damaged car when venom was unconscious
Except for this theory completely falls flat if you play through the mission titled truth.
But what about the arm? In the end when snake finally dies he looks to have both his hands
Because thats the real Big Boss.
Wow 26 Seconds Ago A Video Of MGSV Lol
it was the opposite all along. we played as the real big boss thinking he was the medic, and the true one was the medic. So the real big boss, we, venom. did what the medic should have done, while the fake boss the medic, built outer heaven. So in mgs4 we were talking to the medic
No, I don’t think you got the right message from the video. Ishmael is a hallucination in this theory. They made this ruse to protect big boss
It would cheapen the ending of 4 so hard if that would have been the case
There is only one big boss venom is a hallucination
Ocelot set up the attack on Mother Base in 1975. Skullface had no need or motive to attack Mother Base, nor was he likely present at the attack. Ocelot however, in his lifelong quest to fulfil his mother’s will, had motive to remove the now directionless Big Boss.
At the end of Peace Walker we see Big Boss abandon his own interpretation of the Boss’s will. He no longer believed in the Boss. The hero of GroznyjGrad was gone and instead there was just a mercenary with no direction in his place. Ocelot couldn’t of liked that his idol and the man who was to carry his mother’s legacy had suddenly let it all go. We know both Zero and Sigint were involved in Peace Walker, we don’t know how Ocelot was involved, or even if he was involved. But we do know Ocelot had a long history of secret units (like his own unit in Snake Eater) and we know XOF is a secretive arm of the Patriots and formally part of FOX. We also know they, and Skullface, were not present in Costa Rica. It is my belief that Skullface was enacting his plan to take out Zero during this time and that Ocelot is the one who informed him about Paz (who played a role Ocelot would usually play) and that she knew where Zero was. Ocelot would even promise to deliver Paz and, by extension, Zero to Skullface. For a price.
Big Boss needed to lose MSF, he needed to regain purpose and he needed to become the legendary Naked Snake again, as opposed to some vagabond gun for hire. Ocelot approached Huey, acting as an inspection agency. This ensured he could keep Big Boss off of the base during the attack. Things got out of hand when Big Boss arrived back at base though, ending with the crash that wasn’t supposed to transpire. Skullface wasn’t supposed to try and kill Big Boss via Paz either. Neither of these events factored into Ocelot’s plan.
Ocelot needed Miller out of the picture, however after the botched destruction of Mother Base he couldn’t just have him killed because he would still hold use in the future. That’s why they were separated at the hospital. Ocelot had a golden opportunity to reshape John into the man he should have been. Having Miller around could have ruined the process. Through tapes, hypnotic suggestion, prolonged exposure to ideas in a controlled environment and through Ocelot’s usual methods of drugging and electrotherapy he breaks Big Boss down to the basics, to a canvas he can reshape into the legend he believes Big Boss should be. He kills off the identity of “John” by creating the narrative that he is a separate person.
Miller would be a problem here because he would remind Big Boss of their dream. He could deconstruct Ocelot’s brainwashing of Big Boss. So Ocelot has Miller captured and tortures him severely. We know from MGS and MGS2 that Ocelot was a notorious torturer within the Soviet forces in Afghanistan in the 80s. We know that’s where he got the handle “Shalashaska” and we know he was notorious in the region. We also know the Soviets, with the assistance of the Skulls (a Cipher unit) captured Miller, put a bag over his head, limited his vision with sensual deprivation and then he was tortured for no clear reason. His arm and leg were removed, he was likely reminded constantly about the people who died, who he let down. Ocelot needed to break Miller, to turn him insane. Miller would serve as motivation for the newly revamped Big Boss and would also be key in helping drum up troops to follow the legend once more. Money no longer mattered, revenge did. Miller was so broken and vengeful that he had no inclination to look at what was going on. He never even questioned what Ocelot was doing on Mother Base or how he had gained so much influence over operations there. He didn’t question why Ocelot’s KGB unit were on the base with them.
Ocelot, for his part, did not want to trigger Big Boss’s memory either. So he behaved completely out of character. He acted like a subordinate to a man he basically had to spoon feed. He spent very little time with the rest of Mother Base’s management team, he took it upon himself to DNA test Eli despite MB having a state of the art medical wing. Ocelot couldn’t risk having “Venom” realise he was the real Big Boss because it would possibly trigger a return to his 1975 outlook.
Ocelot is only ever seen behaving like himself away from Big Boss. In front of him he’s this yes man with little personality. He still held Big Boss’s hand and led him down certain paths. The head trauma Big Boss suffered left him in an already damaged and incoherent state so it wasn’t hard for Ocelot to take control from the background.
For the lie to be complete Ocelot decides to trigger Big Boss’s belief he isn’t the original. After the breakdown over Paz it became clear to Ocelot that he needed to advance the illusion to cement the idea. As far as ‘Venom’ and Miller needed to know, the man who gave up on the Boss was gone, he was off somewhere starting some fruitless adventure as a complete nobody. But he’d left a message for ‘Venom’. “You’re Big Boss, he is the both of us together”. He was no longer Big Boss, rather, Big Boss was no longer John. Big Boss was a story that would unite the world. The way Ocelot believed his mother had wanted. An icon to unify under that didn’t have a nation, a religion, an economic or sociological model. A man who would fight for what he believed in whilst risking his life for others. Not some money driven war criminal, but a hero. Not an enemy of the times like the Big Boss of 1975, but an icon of the times, like the Big Boss who stopped Nuclear annihilation time and again in the 60s and early 70s. Ocelot could never be the man to carry out his mother’s will in the public eye, he was too far gone by the time he understood. But Big Boss could be that person.
We know there was no limit to how far Ocelot would go to see the Boss’s vision realised. Between him and Solid Snake it finally was. Big Boss at the end of everything had regained himself, and probably held onto a bit of his mental doppelganger too. As he made peace with his clone at the end of his life he realised why Ocelot had acted the way he did, and how when his Venom Snake plan fell through Ocelot had decided to put himself through the same ordeal. Ocelot really did carry out the Boss’s will, at the sacrifice of his own name, image, legacy and life. Just like his mother before him.
@@RedMist97 Intersting theory, was a good read and wouldn't see out of place in this series.
@@RedMist97i agree. We know that ocelot is a triple crosser, doing the triple game.
So did Venom kick Quiet's ass by himself after having just woken up from a 9 year coma?
Likely Psycho Mantis that fought her.
@@Vegito1089 Very interesting.
what is the name of the background score
not sure if you still need to know but it's New Order-Elegia-FL Studio Cover by Mkaymufc
In that crash Ahab and his old self died..
and a new Big Boss was born -> Venom Snake!
my favorite protagonist in franchise by far.
This game is all over the place really, from the whole skull face thing from GZ, big boss if he was ever even in the game truly at all, the whereabouts of solid snake as a child while we seen Eli we never seen David as child or what he was doing, the whole who is controlling who’s will with child psycho mantis.
In the last cutscene Big Boss is not having his Bionic arm. His left hand is OK but How?
@@ahabsuffer5044 What?
@@Yuvraj-1066 sorry i thought you were asian, the hand in that video is mod
@@ahabsuffer5044 but why would anyone cut his real hand to have a mod?
@@Yuvraj-1066 not anyone😑, this video just show theory
So I just played the definitive edition and as those of you who've played that version, the cutscenes have different camera angles than the original game. You get to see more frontal face shots of both Ismael and Ahab. You can clearly see by pausing that Ishmael has two regular eyes, and Ahab has on good eye and the other is hazy or could be fake. That's why I looked for these videos, because after all these years and all the diff theories, I think Ahab may indeed be Big Boss himself. It could be that the medic is Ismael and Ahab is big boss and that he double tricked himself in order to stay alive. But maybe Ismael is just imaginary.
Don’t mind me, I’m just gonna shoot down everything you said. If you’ve played or know what happens in snake eater you know that big boss had his eye blown off by ocelot. Your glass eye claim would be sound if it actually had color and boss didn’t wear an eye patch. I don’t know many people that buy gray glass eyes and then immediately cover those expensive glass eyes with an eyepatch. Even DD has color to his glass eye and he doesn’t cover it with an eyepatch. Also, why would they put big boss in the line of fire. They literally made this ruse so big boss would be safe.
Artificial Eye and shaved his beard, also did hide in the other room from the people before the place got shot up, Ishmael went with a gun while others were shooting at him and then went to the car. On fire and did get stab ( game mistake, no blood) That’s all Ishmael
u might be right but according to the game, the one with the bandages was the bigg boss, in the guns of patriots ending, bigg boss told everything
Please reply :-
Then why when we kill Ismahel, it shows time paradox.
I have a theory, what if Ismahel is not the medic but instead is "SOLID SNAKE"? it would make sense why he has both eyes working and why it would make a time paradox when you kill him.
I am still trying to complete the games in chronological order and im on metal gear V so im not really experienced with the solid snake era but to me that theory makes sense
@@mega9538 Hmm...
What about getting hit on the shrapnel?
Where did he go then?
Have you watched the analysis of PythonSelkanHD
They are amazing, you can check it.
@@mega9538 They have covered these topics.
They also talked about auditory illusions, which explains why some tapes contradict each other.
Stay healthy.
@@krsol439 thats true. Stay healthy aswell
@@krsol439 well, for now im trying to play/watch the metal gear franchise chronologically. Fortunatelly for me i love the series, unfortunately for me i love starting over and over and over on metal gear solid V. Idk why but im the type of person to restart my game and make my life harder by putting challenges when i already spent like 20 hours in the game... (20 hours is basically 20 or so missions on V without counting side missions)
👍😎🎥cool video
And as always thanks for watching!
I captured Ishmael on Xbox, he is blonde
I like your idea man and I want to belive it so please answer my question
Then solid snake kills the real big Boss in mg1
So who is that big Boss in mg2 and mgs4
I still think MG1 Big Boss is Venom Snake.
@@Vegito1089 buts real thing i think is venom snake real big boss
PRO GAMES series A lot of people have the same idea as you but I have a counter argument. Why would they put the real big boss in the line of fire? They made this ruse so big boss could be safe
@@Vegito1089do you still think ishmael isn't big boss
Ishmael has two eyes, Big Boss has one. Case closed I'd say.
glass eye, ops.
@@pescejohnny5820 A glass eye doesn't move. Oh and it's oops. Asides that the next video pretty much proves Skull Face is a distorted mental projection of Big Boss.
MrShawno1231 no he just doesnt have an eyepatch
@Yoda Granie He didn't lose it, it just isn't functional...
Pesce Johnny Yes, because a glass eye strips away your ability to fight
2:03 great editing
Also quiet does have martial arts skill she displays it in mgsv when she invaded mother base.!
I mean Hideo Kojima wearing the bandages didn't look like Hideo Kojima but it was still Kojima
And few have said Ishmael didn't want Ahab to know he was Big Boss so his CqC went sloppy on Purpose
And the the possibility Ishmael is wearing a mask as if it's MGS3: Snake Eater
And where Snake at the end of Solid V goes to after he punches the mirror and puts "Operation Intrude N313" into the tape recorder which Kojima after V wanted to be the Fake Big Boss known as Venom Snake
But I'll take some deep look into this
"Hmm So maybe the Big Boss we see in Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots isn't Naked Snake but the Medic?"
"So the real Big Boss died during Gear 1987?"
"AND WASN'T BURNED TO DEATH IN GEAR 2: SOLID SNAKE AND IS SEEN Burnt FOR THE FACE CAMO IN 4?"
"So we met THE MEDIC AND NOT BIG BOSS"
Fooled by the Patriots once again...
But I'll look into everything before I assume the truth
Because I know what I'm seeing here is a valid agreement but completely false to Kojima and not just a reused face model from DAY 1 EDITION because there was no point of remaking a face if your just gonna add the same mission in
"Everything is just a simulation and imagination"
I don't think Kojima and Konami would make the story plot that simple
Sure it's a video game but still
Maybe Venom isn't our high ranking MSF from PO and PW
Maybe Ishmael was Big Boss all along and the medic was Venom
The talk that GZ is a simulation for Venom Snake might actually just we be miss-interpretation to the 4th wall
Meaning Ground Zeroes was made for us to be ready for V due to the change in mechanics and functions
(I just confused my self as a nerdy metal gear player, thank you video)
Lets not forget about the voice!!!????Ishmael does sound like bigboss
Ghost maybe on purpose
I believe that Keith Sutherland is the voice of venom and David Hayter is the voice of big boss and solid
The medic wasn't a "regular man" either. He was on of big bosses best soldiers who had been train by him at mother base that is why venom could fight they way big boss and not to mention the memories ocelot gave him probably helped. So even if Ishmael was the medic he would of been far more messed up because he had took most of explosion by shielding big boss from explosion and he would fight similarly to big boss. Big boss has both his eyes he is just blind in one eye. Plus how could big boss be killed by solid snake in metal gear solid like venom was and then come back in multiple games except when he was regenerated ofcourse in mgs4. After being killed in mgs how could he regrow his arm and have metal plate removed that would kill him if it was removed. it is because the big boss snake killed mgs was venom snake not big boss amd snake kills the real big boss in metal gear 2. Then he is resurrected by solid snakes mom I think he name is eva. I can't remember for some reason. Then the real big boss dies after telling solid snake to live the rest of his days in peace. He has both his arms and no metal plate in his head. Ishmael is big boss. No of you explanations hold in merit amd can easily be debunked.
>So even if Ishmael was the medic he would of been far more messed up because he had took most of explosion
>and he would fight similarly to big boss
Pick one, you can't regain peak performance after such traumatic injuries.
>Big boss has both his eyes he is just blind in one eye.
Yes, and his eye is fucked up, dude got his iris burned, it wouldn't look like his other eye.
>Ishmael is big boss.
Okay, let's say assume that all the info above was 100% correct (it wasn't), even then nothing that you said above points towards that Ishmael is Big Boss, it's a false dichotomy, there isn't just 'A is Big Boss and B is the medic vs B is Big Boss and A is the medic', for all we know Venom isn't Big Boss. Just because Venom isn't Big Boss you shouldn't fall for the obvious red herring bait set up by the story writers, aka that mysterious guy with the face bandaged. Also, unreliable narrator, look it up.
how about that venom snake use electric cigar while the real big boss hates it and only use the normal cigarettes.
I finally beat Mgs5 after 5 years of trying to get into it but never liking it. This ending bothers me a lot. My theory is along the lines of yours and how ishmael didn't exist, however to me ishmael was just a manifestation of snake trying to remember how to fight, it's his own will to live showing him the way to safety and how to get out of this situation. In reality, when ahab sees snake in a coma and ahab is on the bed farther away, that was snake having an out of body experience due to being in a coma, and when quiet is being fought off by ishmael, that's the drugs they were giving snake to treat him, he hallucinating another patient fighting off quiet, when in actuality he was the one doing it. Also I just hate that ending so even if this is far fetched I'm saying it's Canon because the game literally only gets better when you remove this joke ending from the game
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The big thing is that it fucked up the whole entire time line
Ishmael has both eyes. He doesn't have the eye patch
Glass eye maybe?
I personally think Venom is Big Boss and Ishmael was a hallucination cause let's face it both eyes and no beard at all I have a beard ya can not grow it in a few hours. He can not use CQC & In the hallway of the hospital he clearly gets gunned down too. Big Boss due to his PTSD noe clearly has split personality disorder too and we know he has hallucinations due to the dream in MGS3. Venom Snake IS Big Boss just his alter ego cause of the split personality disorder. So Venom Snake IS Big Boss no doubt to me
I think Ishmael is the medic. Cipher replaced him with somone they could manipulate. At the same time convincing big boss he isn't the real big boss to keep him under control.
Tbh big boss was in a coma for almost a decade so ofc his fighting skills aren't how they use to be
That argument doesn't make sense since Big Boss was in a longer coma and elderly when he out CQC'd Solid Snake. Who is also very good at CQC.
Can we all just admit there is no venom there is no Ishmael there is only big boss
And what the hell do you mean he doesnt know how to fight? Actually he fought pretty well
No, he was jumping on Quiet, throwing random crap at her and fought like a normal soldier. He was even scared of her knife. Venom later easily takes down Quiet by CQC and Venom is suppose to be as good as Big Boss.
Vegito1089 nawt reelly
compare big boss CQC techniques in MGS3 to Ishmael's fighting here, its nothing alike lol. also big boss's coma dates dont match up with this
Ishmael is big boss but he changed his face to medic
For that thing in venom snake head he see some illusions because of that he saw big boss with his real face
Venom snake is indeed the real big boss and ishmael is indeed medic becuz he has 2 eyes and no facial hair and venom snake does recognizes kaz from 9 years and he does have his old fighting skills from ground zeroes so therefore venom snake is the real big boss
That’s actually a very smart claim. When ocelot is talking to the real big boss he does say to change his face as well as his name. But why would you have plastic surgery to change your face twice? If you don’t know what I’m talking about in MGS4 we meet the real big boss and he looks the same. He is a little older but his appearance does not change
2:26 Lakitoulle lol
6:10 hes an assasin has hidden blade Lmao
He didn’t use CQC so won’t rate out himself
6:00 you saying big boss was out of coma and not in good shape??
Did you guys enen played MGS IV??
after 15 years in coma he out performed Solid Snake
in CQC like he was nothing!
how that guy jumps on the back of a normal woman
to beat her??(Quiet was normal back then)
ishmael was voiced by the same person that voiced big boss ..aka Kiefer Sutherland
If Ishmael really isn't big boss, what would the line: "You're talking to yourself mean?".
That he is literally talking to himself. The man under the bandages is The Medic.
Wasn't the ending created because they ran out of time and Konami wouldn't let them finish it? This would explain why a lot of things don't make sense especially his model since this wasn't intended.
I think thats a smoke screen. Too many stuff that is just lied to us. Like David Hayter being voice of Raiden in Ground Zeroes.
Wait, how is possible the Medic be Venom Snake and Ishmael at the same time?
*_I'm confused Hideo_*
Ishmael is not real. He is The Medic subconscious.
@@Vegito1089 Thanks for explaining the Plot ;)
@@Vegito1089 There is only one big boss venom is a hallucination
Ocelot set up the attack on Mother Base in 1975. Skullface had no need or motive to attack Mother Base, nor was he likely present at the attack. Ocelot however, in his lifelong quest to fulfil his mother’s will, had motive to remove the now directionless Big Boss.
At the end of Peace Walker we see Big Boss abandon his own interpretation of the Boss’s will. He no longer believed in the Boss. The hero of GroznyjGrad was gone and instead there was just a mercenary with no direction in his place. Ocelot couldn’t of liked that his idol and the man who was to carry his mother’s legacy had suddenly let it all go. We know both Zero and Sigint were involved in Peace Walker, we don’t know how Ocelot was involved, or even if he was involved. But we do know Ocelot had a long history of secret units (like his own unit in Snake Eater) and we know XOF is a secretive arm of the Patriots and formally part of FOX. We also know they, and Skullface, were not present in Costa Rica. It is my belief that Skullface was enacting his plan to take out Zero during this time and that Ocelot is the one who informed him about Paz (who played a role Ocelot would usually play) and that she knew where Zero was. Ocelot would even promise to deliver Paz and, by extension, Zero to Skullface. For a price.
Big Boss needed to lose MSF, he needed to regain purpose and he needed to become the legendary Naked Snake again, as opposed to some vagabond gun for hire. Ocelot approached Huey, acting as an inspection agency. This ensured he could keep Big Boss off of the base during the attack. Things got out of hand when Big Boss arrived back at base though, ending with the crash that wasn’t supposed to transpire. Skullface wasn’t supposed to try and kill Big Boss via Paz either. Neither of these events factored into Ocelot’s plan.
Ocelot needed Miller out of the picture, however after the botched destruction of Mother Base he couldn’t just have him killed because he would still hold use in the future. That’s why they were separated at the hospital. Ocelot had a golden opportunity to reshape John into the man he should have been. Having Miller around could have ruined the process. Through tapes, hypnotic suggestion, prolonged exposure to ideas in a controlled environment and through Ocelot’s usual methods of drugging and electrotherapy he breaks Big Boss down to the basics, to a canvas he can reshape into the legend he believes Big Boss should be. He kills off the identity of “John” by creating the narrative that he is a separate person.
Miller would be a problem here because he would remind Big Boss of their dream. He could deconstruct Ocelot’s brainwashing of Big Boss. So Ocelot has Miller captured and tortures him severely. We know from MGS and MGS2 that Ocelot was a notorious torturer within the Soviet forces in Afghanistan in the 80s. We know that’s where he got the handle “Shalashaska” and we know he was notorious in the region. We also know the Soviets, with the assistance of the Skulls (a Cipher unit) captured Miller, put a bag over his head, limited his vision with sensual deprivation and then he was tortured for no clear reason. His arm and leg were removed, he was likely reminded constantly about the people who died, who he let down. Ocelot needed to break Miller, to turn him insane. Miller would serve as motivation for the newly revamped Big Boss and would also be key in helping drum up troops to follow the legend once more. Money no longer mattered, revenge did. Miller was so broken and vengeful that he had no inclination to look at what was going on. He never even questioned what Ocelot was doing on Mother Base or how he had gained so much influence over operations there. He didn’t question why Ocelot’s KGB unit were on the base with them.
Ocelot, for his part, did not want to trigger Big Boss’s memory either. So he behaved completely out of character. He acted like a subordinate to a man he basically had to spoon feed. He spent very little time with the rest of Mother Base’s management team, he took it upon himself to DNA test Eli despite MB having a state of the art medical wing. Ocelot couldn’t risk having “Venom” realise he was the real Big Boss because it would possibly trigger a return to his 1975 outlook.
Ocelot is only ever seen behaving like himself away from Big Boss. In front of him he’s this yes man with little personality. He still held Big Boss’s hand and led him down certain paths. The head trauma Big Boss suffered left him in an already damaged and incoherent state so it wasn’t hard for Ocelot to take control from the background.
For the lie to be complete Ocelot decides to trigger Big Boss’s belief he isn’t the original. After the breakdown over Paz it became clear to Ocelot that he needed to advance the illusion to cement the idea. As far as ‘Venom’ and Miller needed to know, the man who gave up on the Boss was gone, he was off somewhere starting some fruitless adventure as a complete nobody. But he’d left a message for ‘Venom’. “You’re Big Boss, he is the both of us together”. He was no longer Big Boss, rather, Big Boss was no longer John. Big Boss was a story that would unite the world. The way Ocelot believed his mother had wanted. An icon to unify under that didn’t have a nation, a religion, an economic or sociological model. A man who would fight for what he believed in whilst risking his life for others. Not some money driven war criminal, but a hero. Not an enemy of the times like the Big Boss of 1975, but an icon of the times, like the Big Boss who stopped Nuclear annihilation time and again in the 60s and early 70s. Ocelot could never be the man to carry out his mother’s will in the public eye, he was too far gone by the time he understood. But Big Boss could be that person.
We know there was no limit to how far Ocelot would go to see the Boss’s vision realised. Between him and Solid Snake it finally was. Big Boss at the end of everything had regained himself, and probably held onto a bit of his mental doppelganger too. As he made peace with his clone at the end of his life he realised why Ocelot had acted the way he did, and how when his Venom Snake plan fell through Ocelot had decided to put himself through the same ordeal. Ocelot really did carry out the Boss’s will, at the sacrifice of his own name, image, legacy and life. Just like his mother before him.
Well he’s saying ishmael isn’t a fighter but the reason he wasn’t skilful is becoz if he used cqc, something big boss helped invent, Then venom snake would realise and wonder how he knew cqc and would soon realise that he isn’t big boss
All MSF and Diamond Dog soldiers know CQC. Remember the intro to Peace Walker?
Ishmael is what venom sees from the start he has a massive chunk of metal stuck in his head so obviously hes not gona see big boss even tho big boss saved him from the hospital ocelot has basically hypnotized him to make him believe hes the really big boss so when venom looks at the real big boss he just sees fragments of old memories trying to get back in basically from the tape when venom says he doesn't know whats real or a fantasy venom has two people living inside of him big boss and Ishmael so putting it simple when he looks at big boss he sees himself 9 years younger as his younger self wached over him through his mind before he became venom it would of been better of the truth mission have you play from the real big boss point of view
But venom snake doesnt have any life and humor in his voice and in the way he talks unlike ishmael
He lost everything. Are you gonna be humorous after you lose your whole identity?
Yeah, Big boss did have some personality to him in snake eater. Big boss in this game just seems kind of confused all the time
I think it's because all the scenes, except the last one with the bike, are seen in Venom's point of view, so altered.
that's why Big Boss doesn't look like Big Boss.
But you're right, he acts like a noob against Quiet.
After that Quiet scene, he acts like Big Boss in the beds, helico, corridor, Volgin and the entrance 's scenes
"They face swapped" lol I liked that comment I just read it
But wait a second!!!We did forget about the eye!!!😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲
Ishmael has his both eyes but venom does not!!!!
WHAT THE HELL!!! HIDEO
The Gamersaures I mean maybe he just doesnt have the eyepatch
@@titanashinsuke1901
Real Big Boss' iris got burned away, so yeah, not just an eyepatch
Barffield
Did it not get shot in mgs3
@Guitarist 1988 Alright
Guitarist 1988 Grazed corneas don’t bleed as much as snakes eye did in snake eater.
No, indeed he is Big Boss.
Its just a stupid loophole to make the story plausible because hideo kojima prefer to use convenient shortcut because he know that the fans would think like you and make him looks genius in making hidden fact like this
I don't know what to say anymore. Some points do seem valid but it still seems fuzzy. Are the secret tapes also just in Venoms Mind then? And who is or rather are The Big Bosses of MG1 and 2 then? Oh man Japanese really have a sick sense of humor. 😅
Big Boss still exists but he isn't Ishmael. Its just Venom trying to make sense out of everything and that Big Boss is still a hero in his mind, And yes, some of the tapes are not real. We dont get any explanation of how Venom got them. Its similar to Phantom Paz tapes.
@@Vegito1089 Hm. So do you think there are still two Big Bosses in Outer Heaven and Zanzibar or are they the same one?
Yes. It fills in the plothole of MG1. I just think the point is that Big Boss not the hero that Venom thinks he is yet he cant see it due to brain-washing. Similar to Big Brother in 1984.
Instead of writing that down on Death Stranding or NBGO's subreddit I'll write it down here. is it me or there is a shadow-y figure looking down on Big Boss when he's sitting on the bike at 10:03 ?? As the animation continues, it looks like I can see the shadow's arm move and slightly moving to the left. Has it been mentioned before on a thread?
Thank you for your great content man!
I cant see it
Ishmael is big boss , in the end of mgs4 we can see the real big boss . No scars, no shrapnel in the scull, no bionic arm .
How do you explain the inconsistency? Even the "Truth" ending has more holes then the regular hospital mission.
How do you explain that big boss in the ending of mgs4 has no scars, prosthetic arm and shrapnel? Venom snake and big boss are two different persons
@@medicsnake1058 Because... that has nothing to do with the video I'm talking about? I didn't say Big Boss never existed and I never said Venom didnt exist either.
Maybe ocelot leaves venom to the ship,then he gets back to big boss end then he returns to the ship.
I personally believe that: Ishmael wears a mask because maybe venom will recognize something from himself in Ishmael's face .
And one more question: If Ishmael is not big boss then why ocelot says "this way boss hurry"?
@@medicsnake1058 What would he say to Venom? "Hey brb, gotta leave for 2 hours to go do something in private" The ship was already ready for takeoff. They are under the assumption that XOF and Volgin are still on their tail.
And Big Boss has the ability to regenerate? Venom Snake exists for one single purpose: explanation about Big Boss's survival at the end of Metal Gear 1 on Outer Heaven. That's the truth... Big Boss survived Outer Heaven because Big Boss WASN'T in Outer Heaven. That was Venom Snake/The Medic.
I.... never said The Medic/Venom Snake didnt exist?
@@Vegito1089 Ishmael cannot be Venom Snake because of this.
@@victorfarias8086 I didnt say Ishmael is Venom Snake. Im saying Ishmael doesnt exist. That he is just in Venom Snake head.
@@Vegito1089 what about Quiet? And the Digoxin? And the Ambulance?
@@victorfarias8086 1. Quiet was most likely fighting Psycho Mantis. 2. The digoxin didnt do anything. 3. Venom Snake was likely the one driving ambulance.
Really was big boss scared if ishmael was big boss then ge would not run away big boss venom snake he fighted and re created the mother base he's tge real big boss
They just face swapped
How do you explain the inconsistent explaination for why the faces switched? In both the opening and the "truth" ending.
I would like this to be true but unfortunately it's just that they needed Ishmael to be incompetent or it would have been too obvious to the player that he was Big Boss.
I'm frustrated with all the convenient shortcuts taken to have this stupid story of Venom work.
I just understood the time line and story etc and you fucked up again
Just joking its just soo mind fuck you know
but this could be true there is a tape its called snake's coma after affects it mentions that he sees things that arent their and colors look faided if he takes a hard hit
Nice video btw
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When you come up with an amazing counter argument but it gets deleted due to your battery depleting
I would like to hear it still.
Vegito1089 I know this sounds super fake but I can’t remember any of it. I don’t even remember this video if I’m being honest.
Vegito1089 I do remember one main point though. I think in one of the side games(none of the metal gear solid 1-5 games) Snake used a face mask that made him look like Raiden(or Rayden, I forgot how it’s spelled). I figured that he could’ve just used that because if Venom, Quiet, or anyone else saw his face under the mask, they would’ve caught on to his ruse. Even if it’s just a small part of his face.
Schmliff All of his other points outnumber your one. If you’re able to shoot down almost all of his other points then you have a good counter argument.
@@user-mc4ko2ru4u Did you read my comment dude? You're totally right but I honestly just lost everything. I've legit never typed up a long argument since that day because of this *traumatic* event.
Logic...😑
The only reason his face doesn't match is because they couldn't be bothered to add something as you never saw underneath
Then why didn’t they just add the lips in the eyes? They did that in Batman: Arkham Asylum with bane why couldn’t they do that here? Why was it specifically this medic from Ground Zero‘s that we later find out is actually big boss’s Phantom?
@@user-mc4ko2ru4u what's your argument here. He could possibly wearing a mask like raikovs. Hideo kojima would have told us if ishmael was not big boss
@@DirtyGeorge my argument is, if they didn’t bother to put anything under the bandages then why didn’t they just add some random assets. Why is it this medic that we later find out is venom snake
@@user-mc4ko2ru4u do they need to it's not important your not supposed to see underneath
But Big Boss in MGS 4 **doesn’t** have a mechanical arm OR even shrapnels in his head.
Yeah of course. What's your point?
Everything is planned, venom is meant to be the new big boss and that time when the ambulance turned over, venom passed out and so ishmael who is the real big boss, took his chance, met ocelot and said goodbye, then ocelot saved venom. And also the real big boss didnt have damages in the face because venom(which is the former medic) covered him, which left the real big boss believe that medic is actually his most loyal men so he chose him to be the next big boss
No no no no the real big boss has one eye and more skilled in hand to hand combat if Ishmael was big boss he wouldn't have two eyes and he wouldn't be struggling to defeat quiet so therefore Ishmael is the medic
Ishmael, to me, is big boss. the psycho therapy done to the medic made him believe Ishmael to look like the medic and made the medic believe himself to look like and be big boss. Big boss fought weird w quiet because he too was in a coma. He was more skilled than the medic so he was able to move around before the medic. As for the knife...it’s metal gear, venom was popping dislocated bones back into place and was able to walk on them seconds after. Ishmael patched up the wound. The only weird thing was the timing...which could just be done by Kojima to spark more conversation...which worked
No the real big boss has one eye how could Ishmael be big boss while he has two eyes so hes definitely the medic
Two people in a coma for the exact same length? I’m not gonna do the math but you must know how improbable that is