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this is a linhai those are very comon in eu it has a cfmoto engine but the eletronics suck sometimes its not for hard riding but usually they work ok for normal use
You are correct. Will go to market at $6,999. I get the concern on support and that's always gonna be a concern. I service my machines so no issue for me; but if an issue comes up with this one we'll see what happens. Almost hope it does so we can test it. Appreciate you watching.
@@JoeTheFarmeryeah he means the support for parts and even after market parts even though that’s probably not what majority of people are gonna do to a bike like that
Personally, at $7,000 I would spend the extra thousand and get the Honda foreman 520. High quality, great customer service. Dependability. Just my two thoughts.
You got a good price. That's awesome. We have a 2021 Honda Rancher 420 with Camo, power steering and DCT transmission. Was a bit over $9k with the fees, etc. If we added the winch and some other accessories would be close to $10k. My guess is most quads similarly equipped from the major brands will be around $10k...maybe more. No question Honda is an excellent machine. But is it worth 30% more? Maybe, maybe not. Depends on the buyer and use. I don't have a dog in the hunt and people can buy what they like. I like the Massimo products and they are a channel partner. But so are other brands...we belong to no one. I call it straight. I have a 2003 Kawasaki Prairie 650 that I wouldn't trade for the Honda or the Massimo! In 03' it was about $7k. Clunky and carb driven but fits me like a glove. Competition and options are good. The Massimo is a Linhai build which has been around for a LONG time. Very nice machine for the money. Chinese, but they are powersports people. Time will tell! Appreciate you sharing and watching!
Thanks for watching! We actually have a 2021 Honda Rancher that belongs to my son. Main benefit right now of his Honda is EPS. But, unless in 4wd I really don’t think it’s completely necessary. I’m sure eps will come down the road, but for under 7 grand it’s a great value and really sharp machine. Shifts better too. We’ll see!
Wow. That screen reminds me of the one I had on my 03 Grizzly 660. I loved that bike. Hard to believe its been 21 years since me and my late father went to "look" at atv's and came home with the ol Grizz which ticked my cousin off because his was the old 600. Miss those days.
Dude that gave me chills. I have an 03 Kawi Prairie 650. And its the exact same screen. Still working after 21 years so proven! Thanks for sharing that memory brother. 👊🏼👊🏼👊🏼
@@JoeTheFarmerHey no problem! I ended up being dumb and driving on an ice covered water hole and submerged it. Unfortunately it was never the same. Poor dad changed the carb and everything , but it had this hiccup or hesitation when throttling and had about half the power. My poor dad was so mad. I remember him yelling that it was an atv not a damn boat! Take care Joe!
I have an after market winch that has a handheld wired control. Not even sure of the brand but it allows me to operate the winch while standing in front of the machine which has come in surprisingly handy. But that remote controlled winch?? Awesome!
Nice looking 4wheeler, Joe. I may have to check them out when they arrive in stores. I have one of their wise by sides and I’ve had it probably 7 years and the only thing that I had to do to is air up the left rear tire after it was a couple years old lol. Great review as always. Thanks for sharing and have a great week!!
Looks surprisingly nice as their first attempt into the market! I’m intrigued to see how long term reviews, and regular use/abuse will affect its quality over time! Thanks for sharing and doing a great job on the first look! Given that camo, I’m guessing there’ll be multiple Michigan locations around me, but do you know which ones?
I bought this same bike for $1800, it was defective, had a cracked piston. There is no way to get a new one so i had a machine shop make one. Its finally all back together and running great. My only complaint is the smoke on startup.
This bike didn’t exist a few months ago. This is almost 500 cc’s and the drivetrain is similar to the TBoss 550. Body looks a lot like the 400 they have had for a while. But any bike for $1,800 is a great deal. Even with the issue. Great job on putting some work in for a great price. Wonder if the smoke at start up will eventually resolve. Thanks for watching!
Hey Tom! Thanks man. Good to hear from you. Hope you and your crew are doing well. Almost time to start gearing up for the spring trip. I'll be watching my friend.
@@JoeTheFarmer All good here, we are planing for mid-April for our Spring Trip. You may be seeing me before that if it works out. Take care, and good luck with the new 4 Wheeler.
The older ones are hard to let go man. Mine is an old Kawi Prairie 650. Been solid as a rock. I’ll run this one for a while but not sure I can sell the ol’ dinosaur!
Hey JOE THE FARMER. I like it. Will It be available at the Clinton, Mississippi Tractor Supply store? I’m very interested in getting more information and familiar with it as well as pricing. I have an event riding park where I rent ATVs & side x sides in the same cc engine size. I would definitely enjoy your future evaluation of this ATV and if you would recommend this ATV for rental on my property. Keep the videos coming JOE THE FARMER. LIKED SUBSCRIBED & SHARED 🎉
@@JoeTheFarmer Tractor supply had to take it back. And then I bought a Suzuki King quad and I love it. Always go with the big four!! These Chinese brands may give you a warranty, but if you can't get parts and nobody honors what's the point! The Chinese stuff isn't always terrible but it doesn't belong anywhere in the price category of a Japanese ATV/UTV!!
Whats the horsepower, is it carbureted or fuel injected, how much does it cost? I have a massimo bike that isn’t too bad as a toy but not something i would ever truly count on. It cant be driven when its wet outside because the clutch rusted open once so every time it started it would take off without me. Other than that the engine has always ran
Hey! Its efi and has about 33hp. Basically a TBoss 550 drivetrain. It’s nothing like some of the 125cc machines that tsc has sold. Its a real bike man. Engine is almost 500cc. Our Honda Rancher is 420cc’s. No power steering but unless in 4wd not an issue.
I was in untill i found out the price for a Chinese machine this doesnt cut the mustard its twice as expensive as it should be. If its comparable is a rancher than how in the world is it more expensive.. glad you got a free machine but definitely did not sell me on this in fact if anything you talked me right out of one.
Not here to sell you on anything my friend. Just showing a new machine we will be using. We have a honda rancher and it was about 9 grand (camo, ps, dct). Great machine, but about 25% more in cost. Nearly $600 of that is destination and prep fees. Not taking anything away from Honda, but this machine is pretty well appointed out of the gate. Time will tell on reliability. Thanks for watching
I think thats a great question. The drivetrain is basically a T Boss 550 which has been around for years on the utv platform. No reason to thing there wont be parts if needed. But time will tell! Appreciate you watching!
@@JoeTheFarmer that’s solid! I’ve had little luck finding anything on the MSA450 that TSC sells. The location near me is now a registered ATV dealer. Claim they will have units for sale in the store soon.
Thats awesome! This atv is basically a TBoss 550 on an atv platform. So impressive so far! And the camo and looks are really sharp. Thanks for watching!!!
Hey Duane, we have the 21 year old atv club! Lol. This machine does not have eps. Ground clearance is about 11 inches. Battery under the left rear wheel well. So far really like it! Thanks for watching!
I'm curious to know who actually builds them, and where you would get it serviced if/when the need arises. I remember when Bass Pro tried selling Montana tractors and it didn't work out very well.
This is built by Linhai. They build thousands of machines each year. And the advantage is that a small engine is so much easier to service/fix than a diesel tractor. But you are totally right. Service and warranty will be important. Time will tell!
I don’t see the price as an issue when comparing it to our Honda and Kawasaki. It’s about 40% less cost wise. The machine is built by Linhai which is a name brand in Europe and overseas. Just not as popular here yet. But it’s hard to argue with the more expensive brands. They have earned their reputation and price. Buddy bought a CanAm Outfitter. $13k! 😳. Thanks for watching!
Looks like a watered down CF Moto. How much are they selling for? I have a 600 and 800 CF Moto, lots of bang for your buck with those machines. I also have a 1997 Polaris 500 Sportsmen that’s still running great. I look forward to future videos, thanks. Subscribed.
Hey! Welcome my friend. CF Moto is doing some amazing stuff. Price is $6,999. I have other bikes and so far its pretty great. Smooth transmission vs the Honda. My 21 y/o Kawasaki Prairie 650 will be hard to dethrone! Lol. Appreciate you watching!
@@JoeTheFarmer Awesome. I’m an older guy so I don’t “ride em like I stole em” that I hear so often and I take care of my machines, I believe that’s why they last so long. I watch some of these videos of guys tearing up these $20,000 machines the first week they get them, I don’t want the headaches or the cost of those repairs. Thanks again and I look forward to more of those ATV reviews.
@_DB.COOPER I hear ya. I mainly use mine for work and to give my legs a break! We didn’t grow up with much so tearing up a $20k quad isn’t in my dna. But more power to them! Will have more videos out on it soon. 👍🏼
The canam 500 is only $1500 more. I think you would be lucky to get 2500 miles out of the 7k investment before replacment looks like a good option. I’d bet you could run 5000 or more on an outlander 500.
Truth is, $1,500 is a lot of money for many folks. And spec’d similar would be quite a bit more with the winch, etc. And very few people will put 5000 miles on a machine. Time will tell on this atv, but I don’t see a reason that it wouldn’t be a reliable bike. We have a Honda and Kawasaki. Both been great; but prices now are out of hand. We shall see! Thanks for watching.
I work at a massimo dealer. What I can tell you is that massimo doesn’t powder coat. They use very cheap thin pain that rusts on its way to the dealer on the semi, rusts spots pop up when they sit in the yard right away, then when it rains the surface rust runs down the plastics and other things staining it. They run fine, operate fine for the most part. But cosmetically is where they are awful.
@@JoeTheFarmer it’s primarily surface rust that starts like little dots on the painted surface. The door bars are the big issue. They seem to hold water and they certainly rust where all the push rivets hold all of the plastic to them. If you leave it in the rain a couple of times or several it will eventually allow rust water to run down the blastula and onto the side of the sears and the plastics below. It stains them. Mostly it can be scrubbed away. But the the plastics around the fuel cap Will mostly discolored a little.
I have a Honda and honestly the Massimo shifts better. We all know about Honda reliability so yes they are fantastic machines….but total price equivalent they are about 20% more. If money is not an issue then sure. Thanks for watching!
Awesome! Thanks. I love TSC! My generator and my tiller both came from there and they are fantastic machines. I'm in the market for an ATV. My local store has the Massimo UTV but not the ATV yet. Thanks Joe. I'm a new sub, can't wait see more content on this.
How would you suggest I explain if it will be reliable or not? At the end I clearly said time will tell and let’s not put it on a pedestal. And your computer and phone were made in china. Was that on the add when you bought them? Not trying to be argumentative. You have great points, but one was addressed and the other is known. Linhai has been building machines for years. Machines are assembled in Texas. Appreciate your feedback and for watching.
Massimo isn’t a bad machine. But it does need some refinement. I think that’s happening as it seems the quality of the units rolling off the assembly line in Texas get better each year. I see them now where I saw CF Moto a few years back. And they exploded to be the best initial quality machine out there right now. Far ahead of Polaris. Massimo is a couple of years behind. If I were on a strict budget, I’d buy one. It’s not the Chinese junk everyone thinks it is. Not anymore.
I think this is a very fair post. With one exception; the atv is VERY well refined. Not one loose screw, weld burr or paint scratch. I am so impressed with the way it looks, drives and feels. Longevity and reliability are another question. That will have to be earned over time. Thanks for a great thought out comment!
Totally different machine. The older MSA550 has a different build and drivetrain. This is basically a Tboss 550 with a newer body, options, etc. And this color combo is exclusive to TSC. My understanding is that the older MSA 550 is being phased out.
@thegromblerdiecast What specs? Like, is it camo? winch? Automatic transmission? Does that include destination and dealer fees? And the Rancher is 420 cc’s, this is almost 500 but that’s not in the price discussion. We have a 21’ Honda ATV and not at all questioning the quality. It’s a great buy. It’s just not a fair price comparison imo.
Base model? Has automatic transmission, camo, winch, racks, etc. Also no prep, dealer fees or destination charges. I get if you don’t like it, but gotta call it straight buddy.
The racks look terrible. No tie down spots. That oil filter spins out directly into the floor board plastic. The “storage” under the seat is useless and that cover is a bad design. The back rest is in the way I’m sure it would be taken off and never put back on. The diff lock is an impressive option. Sounds like it runs smooth. Fuel injected or carb? See how long it would last. When you test it pull a trailer with the max weight on it and see how it does.
There are tie down spots on the racks, but the plastic may just be removed for utility. There is a metal rack underneath. Back rest is gonna go, you are right there. Fuel injected, and does sound good. Time will tell. Once broken in, will pull some weight with it. We shall see!
You have to understand that prices vary; and this video wont. To put a price in there instantly dates the video and can cause confusion in the future. As of now, will launch at $6,999. Thanks for watching b.
I don't think it will last long with trail riding. It will either rattle itself apart or just break. 7 grand seems really high. Only time will tell. I think loctite will be your friend. I have owned chinese stuff in the past and it was not good.
Linhai is really popular overseas (UK, Etc). I don’t disagree there is some junk out there, but this looks to be a solid machine. I went around it to tighten it up but everything was immaculate. Very impressive assembly. But, time will tell. Our Honda and Kawasaki have both been great. Will have a comparison video up today.
Honda Foreman is close to $10k no with similar options. If money isn’t an issue absolutely buy whatever. But I think the question really is, does this machine have a place. I think it does. Very nice so far.
We have a Honda rancher 420. Actually very similar machines but the 420 has less power. Honda has power steering and way better engine braking; but the Massimo shifts smoother and has a much more comfortable seat. I do think its funny that you declared the Rancher “better” without having both to test. Keep an open mind brother. Its a global world and competition is good.
Okay so who's going to fix it when it breaks because it will break it's from tractor supply it's the cheapest of the cheap so it will break and then good luck finding somebody that will work on it
I will work on it. I have plenty of experience with wrenching and I will say that it looks to be a solidly built machine. Time will tell of course, but not a whole lot to it.
@JoeTheFarmer proven reliability, huge parts and service support (even if you do your own servicing it's meaningless if there's no parts availability), large aftermarket support, and it's the same price as this machine. A CFMoto from the last 5 years till today are seriously contending with Polaris, CanAm, Yamaha, etc, and in many cases are actually more reliable, if not slightly behind in performance. Although I think it's awesome that your going to use this machine to make content and report back it's durability long term, I am interested.
Thats great feedback. CF Moto has been intriguing and would love to get some seat time on one. They are beautiful machines and I would absolutely look into them if shopping around. Thanks for watching!
@@JoeTheFarmer I just picked up a new 2024 cforce 500 in Austin for 6600 otd. I agree with the above comment for dealer support rational, although I didn't know this unit was available at the time of purchase. Good on TS for another affordable option brought to market. I was torn with purchasing a Chinese atv but as youve alluded to, cost was a prohibiting factor for my family. These units are definitely going to shake the game up, hopefully the other established manufacturers will get off their high horses and produce products that dont have gross costs. Cfmoto and this unit show you can make a decently tricked out bike and not charge an arm and a leg. Intriguing review, thanks for the heads up.
@zm12341 Congrats on the new atv! CF Moto has really shaken up the industry. I think it will serve you well. Time will tell with this machine, but I’ll keep it honest. And you are right, the big brands have gotten out of hand with pricing. And I don’t think its just inflation. When a new atv is 12-13k something is up. Nice to have competition. Wish there was an affordable, quality American made machine. But that option doesn’t exist. Is what it is. Thanks for watching!
Absolutely garbage, anything made by Hisun\Coleman (all these Chinese UTV and 4 wheelers are made by them) is 100% garbage. Parts are nonexistent, support is nowhere to be found and they sell units that are 3-5 years old as current year. May God have mercy on your soul WHEN it breaks.
What do you do when that piece of junk breaks down Tractor Supply doesn't repair the machines they sell where is the dealer network for this stuff. I worked in the powersports industry for over 25 yrs. and saw plenty of this garbage come in to us for repair with no way to get parts or support. Stay away from these off brand UTV'S and ATV'S you will be better off with a true dealer supported brand.
How do you know it’s a piece of junk? If you really worked in the powersports industry for 25 years, you would not be calling a Linhai machine an off brand. Tens of thousands are sold each year buddy and they are extremely popular in Europe, etc. Yamaha had a long relationship with them for years. Time will tell with this machine, but I haven’t had to take any of the TSC machines back to a dealer…or my Honda’s or Kawasaki’s. Maintenance is simple, I do it myself. 👍🏼
I have a polaris 450 that has had issues since it was brand new. The dealerships were of no help, and after years, a video popped up on RUclips detailing what the problems were. I have been on my own to fix it, so I don't see these tractor supply atvs any different.
Careful buddy, unless we drive Honda’s we don’t know what we’re doing! 🤣. I have had great luck with tsc machines. I service them with quality fluids and use high quality fuel. Always potential for issues with any machine. Appreciate you sharing brother. 👊🏼👊🏼👊🏼
What dealership you buy from makes all the difference the one i worked at we did everything we could to get the manufactures to cover problems with the units they all have a good will program to use but most dealers don't even try.@@tray22
Are you claiming i didn't work in the industry. What I am talking about is where do you get warranty work done. Servicing the units is simple anyone can do it.@@JoeTheFarmer
People in rural communities that don’t have dealerships close. Or people that like the machine. Lowes, Home Depot and Walmart sell powersports equipment now too.
Purchased a Hisun 750 side x side from rural king in 2021. First mechanical issue was rear differential went out with 30hrs on the machine. Next was the engine at 80hrs and two months before warranty expiration date. They would not honor the warranty and fix the machine. I rebuilt the engine myself. I should have waited and invested in the good brands like Honda Yamaha Kawasaki suzuki and Can-Am.
@@JoeTheFarmer IDK. I've always kinda been a Honda dude but I've really been trying to like the CanAm and Polaris I grew up when these rigs were just starting out we always talked about putting a Honda goldwing motor in a fourwheeler. It took 20yrs but there here that rig (comparable to Arctic Cat probably)will probably be ok for riding around the house type stuff but it doesn't take much searching on RUclips to see what some people do I've been one of those people long before RUclips 🤣👍
@pusscat9017 🤣🤣🤣. I hear ya man. We have a Honda also and a 21 y/o Kawasaki Prairie 650. Love em both. Machines like this atv are necessary man…the name brand machines have gotten out of hand expensive. Almost 15 grand for a new atv is bananas. Time will tell. Appreciate you watching brother.
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this is a linhai those are very comon in eu it has a cfmoto engine but the eletronics suck sometimes its not for hard riding but usually they work ok for normal use
@MKATVAdventures Its a new drivetrain with an almost 500cc linhai motor. Lots of new in there. Looks similar though. Appreciate you watching!
Pretty much a $7000 machine. NOPE! Get something that will have support!
You are correct. Will go to market at $6,999. I get the concern on support and that's always gonna be a concern. I service my machines so no issue for me; but if an issue comes up with this one we'll see what happens. Almost hope it does so we can test it. Appreciate you watching.
@JoeTheFarmer it's not the CS it's parts availability.
@@JoeTheFarmeryeah he means the support for parts and even after market parts even though that’s probably not what majority of people are gonna do to a bike like that
Better off just getting a honda or something. Something that is known to last forever if taken care of with easy access to parts and support.
You might get 2 years of trail riding our of this for your 7000 dollars
Personally, at $7,000 I would spend the extra thousand and get the Honda foreman 520. High quality, great customer service. Dependability. Just my two thoughts.
Not a bad idea; but would be closer to $3k for the Honda
@@JoeTheFarmer I just bought a 2024 Honda foreman 4x4. $8200 plus tax and dealer fees. Came to a bit over 10k out the door
You got a good price. That's awesome. We have a 2021 Honda Rancher 420 with Camo, power steering and DCT transmission. Was a bit over $9k with the fees, etc. If we added the winch and some other accessories would be close to $10k. My guess is most quads similarly equipped from the major brands will be around $10k...maybe more. No question Honda is an excellent machine. But is it worth 30% more? Maybe, maybe not. Depends on the buyer and use. I don't have a dog in the hunt and people can buy what they like. I like the Massimo products and they are a channel partner. But so are other brands...we belong to no one. I call it straight. I have a 2003 Kawasaki Prairie 650 that I wouldn't trade for the Honda or the Massimo! In 03' it was about $7k. Clunky and carb driven but fits me like a glove. Competition and options are good. The Massimo is a Linhai build which has been around for a LONG time. Very nice machine for the money. Chinese, but they are powersports people. Time will tell! Appreciate you sharing and watching!
i have this fourwheeler and i have to say it is very nice. very pleased with its performance
So far I am happy with it too. Very comfortable and smooth ride.
I'm liking this ! Been a Honda man all my life but this looks like it will sell good. Look forward to learning more about it.
Thanks for watching! We actually have a 2021 Honda Rancher that belongs to my son. Main benefit right now of his Honda is EPS. But, unless in 4wd I really don’t think it’s completely necessary. I’m sure eps will come down the road, but for under 7 grand it’s a great value and really sharp machine. Shifts better too. We’ll see!
Wow. That screen reminds me of the one I had on my 03 Grizzly 660. I loved that bike. Hard to believe its been 21 years since me and my late father went to "look" at atv's and came home with the ol Grizz which ticked my cousin off because his was the old 600. Miss those days.
Dude that gave me chills. I have an 03 Kawi Prairie 650. And its the exact same screen. Still working after 21 years so proven! Thanks for sharing that memory brother. 👊🏼👊🏼👊🏼
@@JoeTheFarmerHey no problem! I ended up being dumb and driving on an ice covered water hole and submerged it. Unfortunately it was never the same. Poor dad changed the carb and everything , but it had this hiccup or hesitation when throttling and had about half the power. My poor dad was so mad. I remember him yelling that it was an atv not a damn boat! Take care Joe!
@chadmiller2224 🤣🤣🤣. At least you got a good memory from it. Take care buddy. 👍🏼👊🏼
Dude, love this new ATV and the video bud!! Congrats and keep it rolling with new vids!!
Thanks buddy! Come take it for a spin!!!
Nice Machine Joe. Our new Tractor Supply is supposed to open on March 16 … only 5 minutes from our property thank goodness.
Thats awesome!!! Better hide your wallet now. It’s gonna cost you! Oh, and never sleep on the clearance section!
I have an after market winch that has a handheld wired control. Not even sure of the brand but it allows me to operate the winch while standing in front of the machine which has come in surprisingly handy. But that remote controlled winch?? Awesome!
Looks like there is an accessory that can be wired in to add it on other machines; but for it to come with it is pretty awesome. Thanks for watching!
Nice looking 4wheeler, Joe. I may have to check them out when they arrive in stores. I have one of their wise by sides and I’ve had it probably 7 years and the only thing that I had to do to is air up the left rear tire after it was a couple years old lol. Great review as always. Thanks for sharing and have a great week!!
Thank you for watching my friend!!! Appreciate you.
Hope they are in tractor supply stores around me.
Good morning Joe, nice machine thank you for showing us!
Thanks for watching buddy!
Looks surprisingly nice as their first attempt into the market! I’m intrigued to see how long term reviews, and regular use/abuse will affect its quality over time! Thanks for sharing and doing a great job on the first look! Given that camo, I’m guessing there’ll be multiple Michigan locations around me, but do you know which ones?
Hey! Not sure on locations yet but will follow up with that. Appreciate you watching! So far its very nice but we’ll see how it ages!
Ask them what they offer for parts and service. Good luck
We’ll see!
I bought this same bike for $1800, it was defective, had a cracked piston. There is no way to get a new one so i had a machine shop make one. Its finally all back together and running great. My only complaint is the smoke on startup.
This bike didn’t exist a few months ago. This is almost 500 cc’s and the drivetrain is similar to the TBoss 550. Body looks a lot like the 400 they have had for a while. But any bike for $1,800 is a great deal. Even with the issue. Great job on putting some work in for a great price. Wonder if the smoke at start up will eventually resolve. Thanks for watching!
Very nice Joe, looks like a great 4 wheeler at first glance. Look forward to seeing it with the attachments and what it can do. Nice camera work also!
Hey Tom! Thanks man. Good to hear from you. Hope you and your crew are doing well. Almost time to start gearing up for the spring trip. I'll be watching my friend.
@@JoeTheFarmer All good here, we are planing for mid-April for our Spring Trip. You may be seeing me before that if it works out. Take care, and good luck with the new 4 Wheeler.
😅Wow! I guess I should have waited a minute and I could have bought the TSC ATV. Good stuff Joe! Lucky dog!!🚜😎🇺🇸🤠
Trade ya for a mini ex!!! Lol. Appreciate you watching buddy. Hope all is well! Spring is coming.
Impressive! I own a racncher 350 and its an older machine as well. Good Video as usual brother!
The older ones are hard to let go man. Mine is an old Kawi Prairie 650. Been solid as a rock. I’ll run this one for a while but not sure I can sell the ol’ dinosaur!
As far as the wireless winch I've always had to add that on for extra cost on all of my machines!
Appreciate that feedback
Hey JOE THE FARMER. I like it. Will
It be available at the Clinton, Mississippi Tractor Supply store? I’m very interested in getting more information and familiar with it as well as pricing. I have an event riding park where I rent ATVs & side x sides in the same cc engine size. I would definitely enjoy your future evaluation of this ATV and if you would recommend this ATV for rental on my property. Keep the videos coming JOE THE FARMER.
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Thank you! Let me check on that location. It should be $6,999 to start. Appreciate you brother!
Looks like a great machine, glad to see more options out there!
It’s pretty awesome so far; but as we all know time will tell. Excited to put it to work!
@@JoeTheFarmer let r' rip and see what falls off 🤣
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Nice looking ride. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for watching Tom. I’ve always been a fan of an ATV. Just goes so many places. Looking forward to putting it to work!
Nice machine! Very cool that you got number one!
Thanks! And YES! Never been first in line before!!! Lol. Thanks for watching!
I had the Massimo UTV it lasted about a week!!
And then what?
@@JoeTheFarmer Tractor supply had to take it back. And then I bought a Suzuki King quad and I love it. Always go with the big four!! These Chinese brands may give you a warranty, but if you can't get parts and nobody honors what's the point! The Chinese stuff isn't always terrible but it doesn't belong anywhere in the price category of a Japanese ATV/UTV!!
@wperkins225 i think its priced pretty well. Time will tell. But we have a Honda Rancher 420 that was about $9k and still has less options. We’ll see!
Is the diff lock selector switch for the front or rear?
Front lock. Thanks Steve!
Looks like a solid machine, but time will tell.
100% agree. Reputations are hard earned. We shall see! Thanks for watching.
Great video! You might have already said it, but is it an automatic? My wife doesn't like my Artic Cat with a gear shift.
Thank you! It is automatic transmission but not power steering. Its not an issue for me, but something to consider.
Whats the horsepower, is it carbureted or fuel injected, how much does it cost? I have a massimo bike that isn’t too bad as a toy but not something i would ever truly count on. It cant be driven when its wet outside because the clutch rusted open once so every time it started it would take off without me. Other than that the engine has always ran
Hey! Its efi and has about 33hp. Basically a TBoss 550 drivetrain. It’s nothing like some of the 125cc machines that tsc has sold. Its a real bike man. Engine is almost 500cc. Our Honda Rancher is 420cc’s. No power steering but unless in 4wd not an issue.
Yo the horse power is 25 and its top speed is 42
do you know who will do servicing of these machines? i have never seen a shop at TSC.
Warranty locations are on Massimo’s website. But I’ll service this one. Thanks!
I was in untill i found out the price for a Chinese machine this doesnt cut the mustard its twice as expensive as it should be. If its comparable is a rancher than how in the world is it more expensive.. glad you got a free machine but definitely did not sell me on this in fact if anything you talked me right out of one.
Not here to sell you on anything my friend. Just showing a new machine we will be using. We have a honda rancher and it was about 9 grand (camo, ps, dct). Great machine, but about 25% more in cost. Nearly $600 of that is destination and prep fees. Not taking anything away from Honda, but this machine is pretty well appointed out of the gate. Time will tell on reliability. Thanks for watching
I’m hoping the tractor supply store in eastern Washington is going to carry them or someplace in western Montana
If not let me know and I’ll see what I can do! 😜💪🏼
@@JoeTheFarmer I called the store in Kalisbel and I can order online and they will ship to western Montana , thank you so much for your follow up .
@montana4939 Absolutely brother! Appreciate your support. 👊🏼
@@JoeTheFarmer you got it , keep up the good work
You mentioned trailers. What is the towing weight? Like a load of firewood?
800 lbs I believe. But I may push that limit. Lol
And to clarify, I really meant a handy way to move them around. Not tow heavy loads
That is a nice looking 4 wheeler.how much will it be once they ready for sale?
$6,999!
@@JoeTheFarmer that's not bad.thats cheaper than the golf carts at tractor supply.
@richiebrown9623 not bad at all. A comparable Honda or Kawasaki is close to 10 grand. Golf carts have more seats but this thing will go anywhere. Lol
Is there parts available when you need to make repairs, that would be my concern and why I would go for a brand like Honda, Yamaha, etc.
I think thats a great question. The drivetrain is basically a T Boss 550 which has been around for years on the utv platform. No reason to thing there wont be parts if needed. But time will tell! Appreciate you watching!
Great machine for sure!! 🔥🔥👍👍
So far so good!
Where is it made?
Built by Linhai in China; Assembled in Texas
It’s made by Linhai. TSC has sold those online for a while.
Nope. This is a new model. Diff drivetrain and camo
@@JoeTheFarmer that’s solid! I’ve had little luck finding anything on the MSA450 that TSC sells. The location near me is now a registered ATV dealer. Claim they will have units for sale in the store soon.
Thats awesome! This atv is basically a TBoss 550 on an atv platform. So impressive so far! And the camo and looks are really sharp. Thanks for watching!!!
Does it have power steering? Where is the battery located? What's the ground clearance? My kodiak yamaha is 21 years old and getting tired. Thanks👍
Hey Duane, we have the 21 year old atv club! Lol. This machine does not have eps. Ground clearance is about 11 inches. Battery under the left rear wheel well. So far really like it! Thanks for watching!
@@JoeTheFarmer thanks 👍 my neighbor has a polaris with the battery down under between the front tires. What a stupid place to put a battery.
@duanehamdorf2228 🤣🤣🤣. I prefer them up high and easy to get to!!! Lol
How much are they selling these for?
Hey Steve, thanks for watching. They will be selling at $6,999
I'm curious to know who actually builds them, and where you would get it serviced if/when the need arises. I remember when Bass Pro tried selling Montana tractors and it didn't work out very well.
This is built by Linhai. They build thousands of machines each year. And the advantage is that a small engine is so much easier to service/fix than a diesel tractor. But you are totally right. Service and warranty will be important. Time will tell!
How much does it cost?
Will be $6,999. Thanks for watching!
What bran is it, and will it come out to tractor supply in town mercedesburg. Thanks you for showing us this to I like it.
Hey, its a Massimo but the manufacturer is Linhai. Not sure on locations yet but will share as I hear more. Thanks for watching!
Would be a good option if it was half the price but at $7k it’s a no brainer to get a name brand unit.
I don’t see the price as an issue when comparing it to our Honda and Kawasaki. It’s about 40% less cost wise. The machine is built by Linhai which is a name brand in Europe and overseas. Just not as popular here yet. But it’s hard to argue with the more expensive brands. They have earned their reputation and price. Buddy bought a CanAm Outfitter. $13k! 😳. Thanks for watching!
Looks like a watered down CF Moto. How much are they selling for? I have a 600 and 800 CF Moto, lots of bang for your buck with those machines. I also have a 1997 Polaris 500 Sportsmen that’s still running great. I look forward to future videos, thanks. Subscribed.
Hey! Welcome my friend. CF Moto is doing some amazing stuff. Price is $6,999. I have other bikes and so far its pretty great. Smooth transmission vs the Honda. My 21 y/o Kawasaki Prairie 650 will be hard to dethrone! Lol. Appreciate you watching!
@@JoeTheFarmer Awesome. I’m an older guy so I don’t “ride em like I stole em” that I hear so often and I take care of my machines, I believe that’s why they last so long. I watch some of these videos of guys tearing up these $20,000 machines the first week they get them, I don’t want the headaches or the cost of those repairs. Thanks again and I look forward to more of those ATV reviews.
@_DB.COOPER I hear ya. I mainly use mine for work and to give my legs a break! We didn’t grow up with much so tearing up a $20k quad isn’t in my dna. But more power to them! Will have more videos out on it soon. 👍🏼
Do you know approximate MSRP?
Will launch at $6,999
The canam 500 is only $1500 more. I think you would be lucky to get 2500 miles out of the 7k investment before replacment looks like a good option. I’d bet you could run 5000 or more on an outlander 500.
Truth is, $1,500 is a lot of money for many folks. And spec’d similar would be quite a bit more with the winch, etc. And very few people will put 5000 miles on a machine. Time will tell on this atv, but I don’t see a reason that it wouldn’t be a reliable bike. We have a Honda and Kawasaki. Both been great; but prices now are out of hand. We shall see! Thanks for watching.
I work at a massimo dealer. What I can tell you is that massimo doesn’t powder coat. They use very cheap thin pain that rusts on its way to the dealer on the semi, rusts spots pop up when they sit in the yard right away, then when it rains the surface rust runs down the plastics and other things staining it. They run fine, operate fine for the most part. But cosmetically is where they are awful.
Good feedback. Haven’t noticed any rust on the TBoss 550 but will keep an eye out. Thanks for watching
@@JoeTheFarmer it’s primarily surface rust that starts like little dots on the painted surface. The door bars are the big issue. They seem to hold water and they certainly rust where all the push rivets hold all of the plastic to them. If you leave it in the rain a couple of times or several it will eventually allow rust water to run down the blastula and onto the side of the sears and the plastics below. It stains them. Mostly it can be scrubbed away. But the the plastics around the fuel cap Will mostly discolored a little.
And when they have water and it’s winter it will expand and crack one of the upper door bars or Atleast crack the paint around the square tube.
@worldrage619 all great info; thank you for sharing with the group!
For the price by honda or yamaha
I have a Honda and honestly the Massimo shifts better. We all know about Honda reliability so yes they are fantastic machines….but total price equivalent they are about 20% more. If money is not an issue then sure. Thanks for watching!
Price?
Where are they made.
Is Massimo manufacturing these machines?
When are they available?
I'm going to subscribe; to find out more.
Hey! Parts in China, assembled in TX. Made by Linhai; Massimo puts finishing touches. Should be available in the next few weeks. And thanks!
Do you have any info on pricing?
Should go to market at $6,999
Awesome! Thanks. I love TSC! My generator and my tiller both came from there and they are fantastic machines. I'm in the market for an ATV. My local store has the Massimo UTV but not the ATV yet. Thanks Joe. I'm a new sub, can't wait see more content on this.
Will it be reliable. and is this made in china thats the questions you never addressed.
How would you suggest I explain if it will be reliable or not? At the end I clearly said time will tell and let’s not put it on a pedestal. And your computer and phone were made in china. Was that on the add when you bought them? Not trying to be argumentative. You have great points, but one was addressed and the other is known. Linhai has been building machines for years. Machines are assembled in Texas. Appreciate your feedback and for watching.
Any updates on this atv ?
Hey! I rode it 3 hrs ago. Been flawless. Love it man. So far been a great machine.
If that's the same engine as the T boss should be loaded with power.
I believe they share the same powertrain which is awesome for parts, etc. so far so good!!!
I don't see anywhere with the price!
Wii launch at z$6.999.
Massimo isn’t a bad machine. But it does need some refinement. I think that’s happening as it seems the quality of the units rolling off the assembly line in Texas get better each year. I see them now where I saw CF Moto a few years back. And they exploded to be the best initial quality machine out there right now. Far ahead of Polaris. Massimo is a couple of years behind. If I were on a strict budget, I’d buy one. It’s not the Chinese junk everyone thinks it is. Not anymore.
I think this is a very fair post. With one exception; the atv is VERY well refined. Not one loose screw, weld burr or paint scratch. I am so impressed with the way it looks, drives and feels. Longevity and reliability are another question. That will have to be earned over time. Thanks for a great thought out comment!
good luck getting that fixed no dealer support at tractor supply junk that no one will take on trade
Something happens I’ll just fix it. 🤷🏻♂️
What is new about this? The Massimo MSA550 has been sold for years. Made by the Chinese company Linhai.
Totally different machine. The older MSA550 has a different build and drivetrain. This is basically a Tboss 550 with a newer body, options, etc. And this color combo is exclusive to TSC. My understanding is that the older MSA 550 is being phased out.
Why does most of your videos only work with my left earbud???
I was working with a new system but its fixed now. 💪🏼
Are you going to give us the price
Should be $6,999!
Was it made in China?
Parts from Linhai in China, assembled in TX
How much 😮
$6,999!
What are the chances of this lasting 20 years like my 2004 honda rancher? Lol
Depends on maintenance and how its used. What are the chances of Honda’s new machines lasting like their older ones?
@@JoeTheFarmer good point
Give me a cfmoto!!!
Those are great looking bikes for sure. Never been on one but would like to!!!
PRICE???
Will sell for $6,999
Get a honda rancher for that price
I think it may have been a while since you price shopped atv’s.
Just got a new rancher for 8.5k out the door. Similar price to this
@thegromblerdiecast What specs? Like, is it camo? winch? Automatic transmission? Does that include destination and dealer fees? And the Rancher is 420 cc’s, this is almost 500 but that’s not in the price discussion. We have a 21’ Honda ATV and not at all questioning the quality. It’s a great buy. It’s just not a fair price comparison imo.
Is it from 🇨🇳?
Part are from China; built/assembled in TX
$7,000 base model no thanks 🤮💩😩
Base model? Has automatic transmission, camo, winch, racks, etc. Also no prep, dealer fees or destination charges. I get if you don’t like it, but gotta call it straight buddy.
Price
$6,999
The racks look terrible. No tie down spots. That oil filter spins out directly into the floor board plastic. The “storage” under the seat is useless and that cover is a bad design. The back rest is in the way I’m sure it would be taken off and never put back on.
The diff lock is an impressive option. Sounds like it runs smooth. Fuel injected or carb? See how long it would last.
When you test it pull a trailer with the max weight on it and see how it does.
There are tie down spots on the racks, but the plastic may just be removed for utility. There is a metal rack underneath. Back rest is gonna go, you are right there. Fuel injected, and does sound good. Time will tell. Once broken in, will pull some weight with it. We shall see!
Always disappointing when someone brings out a tool and neglects sharing the price.
You have to understand that prices vary; and this video wont. To put a price in there instantly dates the video and can cause confusion in the future. As of now, will launch at $6,999. Thanks for watching b.
No sound
No sound?
that is a linhai very comon in eu
Yessir!
I don't think it will last long with trail riding. It will either rattle itself apart or just break. 7 grand seems really high. Only time will tell. I think loctite will be your friend. I have owned chinese stuff in the past and it was not good.
Linhai is really popular overseas (UK, Etc). I don’t disagree there is some junk out there, but this looks to be a solid machine. I went around it to tighten it up but everything was immaculate. Very impressive assembly. But, time will tell. Our Honda and Kawasaki have both been great. Will have a comparison video up today.
@@JoeTheFarmer Yeah you can't beat the japanese stuff. Always top notch quality.
The new Kawasaki atv looks amazing. That may end up on our farm. 😁👍🏼
When you have trouble with it, and you will, it will take weeks if not months to get your machine back. No thanks
When I have trouble with it; I’ll let you all know. So far, been great.
It sounds and looks like a Polaris, hmmmm,hope not. 😮
🤣
Probably better quality though.
Just go buy a Honda foreman 500 for same price plus a machine for life
Honda Foreman is close to $10k no with similar options. If money isn’t an issue absolutely buy whatever. But I think the question really is, does this machine have a place. I think it does. Very nice so far.
My 2019 Honda rancher 420 is better. It can do circles around that thing.
We have a Honda rancher 420. Actually very similar machines but the 420 has less power. Honda has power steering and way better engine braking; but the Massimo shifts smoother and has a much more comfortable seat. I do think its funny that you declared the Rancher “better” without having both to test. Keep an open mind brother. Its a global world and competition is good.
I would have rather listened to the motor running while driving it instead of the terrible music. IJS.
Some cameras don’t have audio and editing that sounds terrible. Theres a reason my friend. Will definitely have more videos of just plain riding
Okay so who's going to fix it when it breaks because it will break it's from tractor supply it's the cheapest of the cheap so it will break and then good luck finding somebody that will work on it
I will work on it. I have plenty of experience with wrenching and I will say that it looks to be a solidly built machine. Time will tell of course, but not a whole lot to it.
More mossimo junk?
Ok, I’ll play. Tell us about your bad experience.
Get a CFMoto instead.
Reasons?
@JoeTheFarmer proven reliability, huge parts and service support (even if you do your own servicing it's meaningless if there's no parts availability), large aftermarket support, and it's the same price as this machine. A CFMoto from the last 5 years till today are seriously contending with Polaris, CanAm, Yamaha, etc, and in many cases are actually more reliable, if not slightly behind in performance.
Although I think it's awesome that your going to use this machine to make content and report back it's durability long term, I am interested.
Thats great feedback. CF Moto has been intriguing and would love to get some seat time on one. They are beautiful machines and I would absolutely look into them if shopping around. Thanks for watching!
@@JoeTheFarmer I just picked up a new 2024 cforce 500 in Austin for 6600 otd. I agree with the above comment for dealer support rational, although I didn't know this unit was available at the time of purchase. Good on TS for another affordable option brought to market. I was torn with purchasing a Chinese atv but as youve alluded to, cost was a prohibiting factor for my family. These units are definitely going to shake the game up, hopefully the other established manufacturers will get off their high horses and produce products that dont have gross costs. Cfmoto and this unit show you can make a decently tricked out bike and not charge an arm and a leg. Intriguing review, thanks for the heads up.
@zm12341 Congrats on the new atv! CF Moto has really shaken up the industry. I think it will serve you well. Time will tell with this machine, but I’ll keep it honest. And you are right, the big brands have gotten out of hand with pricing. And I don’t think its just inflation. When a new atv is 12-13k something is up. Nice to have competition. Wish there was an affordable, quality American made machine. But that option doesn’t exist. Is what it is. Thanks for watching!
Buy a used Honda , Yamaha, Kawasaki, Suzuki before buying a china machine
I have a used Honda and Kawasaki. Both great machines...but both VERY expensive for what they are.
Absolutely garbage, anything made by Hisun\Coleman (all these Chinese UTV and 4 wheelers are made by them) is 100% garbage. Parts are nonexistent, support is nowhere to be found and they sell units that are 3-5 years old as current year.
May God have mercy on your soul WHEN it breaks.
This is not a Hisun; it’s made by Linhai. Linhai has a pretty solid reputation but time will tell.
@JoeTheFarmer it's made in the same factory as Hisun, Coleman, Bull and Mishmoto, hard parts are almost 100% interchangeable.
@spartanpatriot3163 🤦🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
Looks cheaply made especially those so called racks. No thanks! I’ll stick with my Honda Foremans
Sounds good
Looks like a lot of plastic on that thing better off buying used Yamaha Honda or Kawasaki or a Suzuki
I have a Honda and Kawasaki. So far its a pretty nice machine
better off buying cfmoto
They are making some really nice machines.
What do you do when that piece of junk breaks down Tractor Supply doesn't repair the machines they sell where is the dealer network for this stuff. I worked in the powersports industry for over 25 yrs. and saw plenty of this garbage come in to us for repair with no way to get parts or support. Stay away from these off brand UTV'S and ATV'S you will be better off with a true dealer supported brand.
How do you know it’s a piece of junk? If you really worked in the powersports industry for 25 years, you would not be calling a Linhai machine an off brand. Tens of thousands are sold each year buddy and they are extremely popular in Europe, etc. Yamaha had a long relationship with them for years. Time will tell with this machine, but I haven’t had to take any of the TSC machines back to a dealer…or my Honda’s or Kawasaki’s. Maintenance is simple, I do it myself. 👍🏼
I have a polaris 450 that has had issues since it was brand new. The dealerships were of no help, and after years, a video popped up on RUclips detailing what the problems were. I have been on my own to fix it, so I don't see these tractor supply atvs any different.
Careful buddy, unless we drive Honda’s we don’t know what we’re doing! 🤣. I have had great luck with tsc machines. I service them with quality fluids and use high quality fuel. Always potential for issues with any machine. Appreciate you sharing brother. 👊🏼👊🏼👊🏼
What dealership you buy from makes all the difference the one i worked at we did everything we could to get the manufactures to cover problems with the units they all have a good will program to use but most dealers don't even try.@@tray22
Are you claiming i didn't work in the industry. What I am talking about is where do you get warranty work done. Servicing the units is simple anyone can do it.@@JoeTheFarmer
Buy a Honda, you can thank me later. No Chinese junk
We have a Honda. Will have a comparison video out soon!
Who tf buys atvs from tractor supply
People in rural communities that don’t have dealerships close. Or people that like the machine. Lowes, Home Depot and Walmart sell powersports equipment now too.
Who tf has a Mom who never taught them if they didn't have anything nice to say to just stfu?
Don't make the same mistake as me and waste your hard earned money on Chinese junk. These companies do not stand behind their products.
Hey Pete; what happened?
Purchased a Hisun 750 side x side from rural king in 2021. First mechanical issue was rear differential went out with 30hrs on the machine. Next was the engine at 80hrs and two months before warranty expiration date. They would not honor the warranty and fix the machine. I rebuilt the engine myself. I should have waited and invested in the good brands like Honda Yamaha Kawasaki suzuki and Can-Am.
@peterock8678 sorry for that experience man. Appreciate you sharing with the group. 👍🏼
i'll keep my Honda Rubicon thanks.
Nobody was going to take it from you. 🤷🏻♂️
Yard art lmfao 😂😂😂😂😂
I have a big yard, so time will tell.
Don't care for the single A arm
What don’t you like? Just curious. Appreciate you watching!
@@JoeTheFarmer IDK. I've always kinda been a Honda dude but I've really been trying to like the CanAm and Polaris I grew up when these rigs were just starting out we always talked about putting a Honda goldwing motor in a fourwheeler. It took 20yrs but there here that rig (comparable to Arctic Cat probably)will probably be ok for riding around the house type stuff but it doesn't take much searching on RUclips to see what some people do I've been one of those people long before RUclips 🤣👍
@pusscat9017 🤣🤣🤣. I hear ya man. We have a Honda also and a 21 y/o Kawasaki Prairie 650. Love em both. Machines like this atv are necessary man…the name brand machines have gotten out of hand expensive. Almost 15 grand for a new atv is bananas. Time will tell. Appreciate you watching brother.