TRACTOR SUPPLY ATV vs HONDA ATV. IS CHEAPER ACTUALLY BETTER?!?
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- Опубликовано: 31 май 2024
- Tractor Supply Side By Sides have become very popular and after introducing the ALL NEW ATV in a recent video; Many viewers said that we should get a Honda ATV. Well, We HAVE a Honda and today we will compare the two machines! The Massimo MSA 550 ATV, Quad, Four Wheeler, all terrain vehicle...or whatever you would like to call it is a beast! We are fortunate in that we had the VERY FIRST ONE to show to you. This new 2024 model is called the Massimo MSA 550 and comes with an almost 500cc gas engine. The engine is built by Linhai and the Linhai/Massimo partnership has a long history of offering a lot of options for a great value. Massimo and Tractor Supply have put together a great package that offers four wheel drive, locking differential, a winch, hand guards, fuel injection and so much more! Also, the machine comes with a very nice VEIL camo exterior and black wheels which look great! Come along as we take this brand new machine around the farm and share some of the important details you can expect from this new atv!
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So what do you think? NOBODY is questioning Honda's reputation...but is there room at the table for competition?
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Only time will tell if the $3000 savings is worth it based on how durable the Mossimo will be.
That independent rear suspension is a huge plus for trail riders.
For the gear noise/feel is it possible the Honda developed that over use? You should verify from a honda shop that it is normal to do that. And the power steering would make up probably at least half the price difference on these. Just guessing but if camo plastics cost $500 then power steering has got to add $1500 easy.
Repair is a big consideration. We bought a few Chinese brand dirt bikes. Most shops won't waste their time. Lucky for us we found a local dealer that sells Chinese/Vietnamese bikes/ATVs and they were willing to do the work as long as I sources the parts. So any buyer of the TSC ATV needs to verify valid options for a nearby shop for repairs.
All great points. Power steering would add about $600. Not terrible, but it adds up. We had a nice ride tonight up to see the sunset. It really is a nice machine. The Honda is my sons; he wouldn’t give up his Honda for anything. Lol
There is room, just not from China and other countries in the region. Reliability just isn't there and may never be.
My 03 Kawi has the original “rubber band” sport. And these Linhai machines were partnered with Yamaha for years and have been built for decades. Extremely popular in the EU and other countries. But keep trolling buddy. I love when people have all the answers. Lol. 🤣👍🏼
Ok buddy. We get it. You like Honda.
All I know is the Honda rancher drive train is good for 50k miles, that keeps me pretty loyal
I have no specific brand allegiance. I research and buy what works for me on my farm here in Missouri. I have a Massimo 700 SXS which I bought in 2014. Rumor had it that they are Yamaha clones. IDK, but the machine is rock solid and easy to maintain. I believe that Massimo parts are available on-line from Motorcycle Doctor in FL. I also own a 2005 Yamaha Kodiak 450 ATV which still has air in the tires from Japan. I bought that machine because it had independent suspension, a true locking diff, and a lever shifter. In all the years it has been up and down the ravines and woods around here, towing my boat around the property, plowing snow, and dragging deer out, I only need to change the oil along with the air and oil filters. I think that new Massimo ATV is more comparable to the Yamaha Kodiak than than the Honda Rancher. As was my Massimo SXS, they are good values and, in my experience, reliable machines.
Thanks for your post Frank. You are correct, a lot of Yamaha DNA in there.
That 2005 Japan air hits different.
Grear comparison! Both are excellent machines! I just purchased a new 2023 Polaris 450 HO EPS, I chose that for the power steering, location of battery and Battery Tender plug in jack. Also the price $8,148.00 out the door. All three are great machines.
Congratulations man! Sounds like a winner!! Send me a pic if you don’t mind and I’ll share it in an upcoming video. 😁👍🏼
I have a 2021 MSA 400 and that atv is a tank. Has been holding up very well on my farm. Sure ive had to do maintenance on it myself and fix a few brain scratchers, but for the price you cant beat these Massimo machines. Thanks for the side by side comparison.
Thanks for sharing the real world experience. I'll keep you posted on this machines progress!
Love my Honda’s I got a 2024 rancher and a 86 200sx ! Over 30 years old and it still runs like a top 👍
I’d take the 86’ over the 24’! Thanks for watching brother.
Thanks for sharing the comparison.
Thanks for watching! Will call it straight brother. Fun videos coming up with it getting put to work!
Thanks for a great and factual comparison!
Thanks for watching Kevin!
Hello, I have 3 Honda Rancher 400 AT with electric shift & Automatic 2x4 and 4x4. The electric shift on the handle bar is super smooth. I plow snow and ride the mountains of Colorado. Machines are 2004 2006 and 2007. I have not even changed tires yet. Mainly batteries and winches. I love how they push snow. When your new machine gets broke in, see if it shifts smooth as Honda does. Or even after the first oil change. Ride safe my friends.
if you go through alot of mud and water that electric shift will give ya fits
Another great comparison. As an owner of an 04 Rancher that's still going I have to say it's been very reliable and inexpensive to maintain. Mine doesn't make that knocking sound with the electronic shift , that's concerning. I have to say that Mossimo has a lot of nice features for the price. The only concern I would have is replacement parts and servicing dealers . Thanks Joe !
Thanks for watching buddy! The early machines are really hard to beat. The new dct transmissions make that sound. I too think it’s jerky and odd. But, no arguing the quality of a Honda. But, the Massimo thus far is impressive.
My 01 350 Fourtrax ES (Canada) 18,000 km and 1000 hrs, still going strong!
@@user-gh4cd5nq7kThat’s awesome!!!
Love the side by side comparison, very informative. How about some JTF discount promo codes? Keep the videos coming!
Thanks buddy! And not a bad idea! I'll be sure to ask them if they can do something like that!
Good video and comparison. Heard of the brand but do not know much about them. Will check one out. Have Polaris now but will be looking at adding another 4 wheeler to the fleet.
Nothing more fun than growing the fleet! Appreciate you watching!
The two transmissions are completely different. Honda has that click because its a true transmission. The other one is a cvt. When working to tow or haul the honda will do twice as much and last forever.
Honda is definitely more complex. The Honda is an excellent machine, no arguing that. Thanks for watching!
That honda is garbage
@@JoeTheFarmerfor reference, the Rincon 680 and the old body style foreman rubicon 500 have a hydraulic transmission. They produce more torque than any machine. Even geared ones. They are also extremely reliable, since they use engine oil (should you replace them at the right intervals) and it should last forever.
Nothing wrong with a cvt in an atv. Id rather change a belt than clutches or trans.
A lot of the comparison was the cheap one has more plastic 🤣
I like the Massimo. I love TSC. I have a Generac generator and a Generac tiller both from TSC and they are fantastic. My local store has the Massimo T-Boss 550 in veil camo. The same one you feature on your channel. I went in and checked it out for myself after watching your videos on the T-Boss. I'm very impressed. It is a bit too much for what I need on my property, so I'm waiting for the MSA 550 to arrive. One thing they told me at the store. TSC card holders are eligible for 3.99% apr for 36 months on Massimo products. Something to think about in this economy. Great video and comparison Joe!
Thanks for watching! The veil camo is so nice man. Once you see it in person it really looks awesome. You get a lot for your money with these machines. Keep me posted on your journey!
@@JoeTheFarmer I agree. The veil camo is awesome. I only have about 2 acres of land so I think the T-Boss is really just too big for my needs but the MSA 550 would be perfect! I'm hoping to buy one this summer.
That's awesome. And I see your point. A UTV is big for 2 acres. I failed to mention the 2" received in the video. The Massimo having a trailer hitch is huge for flexibility with seeders/spreaders/etc. It's basically a TBoss 550 with a smaller footprint. Good call.
Good comparison Joe. I saw one in my local TSC store, if I didn't have to haul it 630 miles every trip I would have one. Keep up the good work, and remember haters will hate. 😀
Thanks Tom, appreciate you my friend. Let's catch up soon!
come on, who is going to service it under warranty? parts? reliability over 10 years? I will bet you you will be buying 2 or 3 mosi before you even wear the honda down. its not 6000.00 for nothing. its cheap parts, cheap steel, cheap plastics, electronics? the china winch, no rack space. you say be fair with the reviews, but, you cant just say you rather have the cheap one over a honda without putting it to work for 10 years. do another review in 10 years and see what happens. not bashing your video, but lets come back 10 years from now and let ud know how it is. if its still running, I will buy 2. as of now, I will stay with the honda
I think thats fair. It will be worked for as long as it lives. I’ll keep everyone posted
I have seen generic China kids ATV with hundreds of hours over 10+ years of kids beating on em run just fine w/ regular upkeep.
@@workingcountry1776 nope. not really. i seen some where you tear your rotator cuff pulling the pull start trying to start them
That's the issue. The bias of what is "junk" or "not junk" is a problem. You seen "some"...but not all. Bill Winke is a legendary bow hunter and land manager. Has a TON of videos of him working and developing farms with various equipment. His ATV is a cheap Chinese Coleman/Hisun. Prob at least 10 years old. People say "Hisun is junk" and never used one. I had one; loved it. Great machine and served us well. The Massimo's are Linhai; and if you were in Europe you would see them everywhere. Clearly not junk. This is new to our market, which takes a learning curve and adjustment...and Massimo and Linhai will need to earn their reputation in the US just like Honda and Kawasaki had to in the past when everyone feared Japanese equipment. I get your points, but to use a broad brush to paint an entire industry is naive. I know powersports equipment, and have owned a lot of it. What intrigues me about the newer and less expensive equipment is how much more you get for your money. I will call it straight; and I really like and am impressed with the new atv.
We've had 2 CFMoto ATVs for several years and not one problem. People have said the same thing about them. I don't have anything against Honda either. We have a Honda Recon and had a Honda Rancher years ago. You just get more for your money with Chinese ATVs.
I can’t help myself but to rag on it just a little because I know a lot of people who’ve gotten screwed over with the cheaper ATVs and have ended up spending the same amount if not more fixing it, then just going ahead and getting a established brand, but then again, they’ve also gotten lucky and got a good ones so it really just comes down to your budget and what you need it for. I personally have had 15+ Hondas and a handful of Polaris and I can tell you out of the two of them. I would much rather have a Honda solely for the transmission because I personally do a lot of towing and pulling stuff with my four wheeler. And I have never had a problem with my transmission, but on a couple Polaris I had I’ve seen them burn belts because they were used to drag pastures, and they were kept at a consistent speed for a long time, and it wore a nice valley in the clutches and chewed up belts and that was surprisingly expensive to fix whereas my Honda has never had a problem doing it now keep in mind I have never had a DCT I’ve only had manual shifts and electric shifts so I can’t speak for them. And to talk about the plastics I think Honda was thinking ahead a little bit because you don’t have to remove a single screw bolt or push-pin to exposed the entire gas tank and side of the engine IMO it is superior just because it takes so little time to take them on and off. The last thing I would be concerned about is getting miscellaneous parts for it, would tractor supply be Parts dealer for them? Or would you have to order them online because I know my tractor supplies is a hell of a lot closer than my Honda dealership lol
Oh, and one more thing, what would the resale value be? I wouldn’t think it’d be high because of people being skeptical of an offbrand but on the other hand if they do takeoff, it probably would be pretty good?
Just food for thought.
Great post, and appreciate your input. The parts are available at Massimo’s website. They have blown up diagrams with parts listed that can be bought. Linhai has a long reputation so parts availability shouldn’t be a problem. Oil and filters will be at TSC. But we shall see!
Good points also. Honda resale is high. But I would think if not clapped out and running well, there’s a market. But wont be close to retail
Thanks for the free of bias video. I’m a Honda guy but there’s something to be said about giving new bands a try.
Absolutely! And Thanks for watching. Competition is good; and though I love our Kawasaki and Honda machines...the Massimo is a great ride and a ton of value. Time will tell!
I have a 2013 Honda Rancher 420 4x4 and it has been very reliable and I am pleased with it.
Excellent machines.
I've got a 2010 and 2014 rancher they r nice been good running machines. Both are shaft drive love them. I did like the mossmo it looked nice. Yes I think Honda needs to include a few more accessories
Thanks Randy, appreciate your input! Ranchers are excellent machines, but I do agree Honda could step it up a bit and spruce them up a bit for what they cost.
Anyone on a budget should be looking at these and cfmoto. I grew up on Suzuki dirt bikes and quad as. And I would not hesitate to buy the Moimo or a Cfmoto.
Had a great time riding on it today. The Honda is my sons. He and I had a blast riding around the farm and then got the girls and watched the sun go down. I really like this bike. Nice machine... @cfmotoofficial looks like they make great machines too, haven’t been on one yet. Thanks for watching!
I'm on the local ATV Facebook page and some people have had luck with the import's, lot's of people don't. I'm not giving up my Honda anytime soon. The tranny on my Honda thumps when it shifts because it is a transmission with gears, the Massimo is most likely a belt drive..
I operate a ATV/UTV service and repair business and just want to say the Honda shown here is DCT transmission( dual clutch) . The only thing here that is automatic is the computer that controls the shifting through a very complicated sensor network which is very tricky to repair although not common . the clunk heard here is an actual gear shift happening
Thank you for sharing this. Appreciate you watching.
The shifting on the honda is a good thing. It can take way more abuse than the cvt. And the rear axle on the honda will last way longer with little wear. With that being said it all depends on who's using it. If you are the kind of person who don't abuse your 4wheeler and like a smoother shift that trackor supply quad might last you forever.
Good points. I don't really abuse equipment. We use them for moving things, transportation, utility and some fun. My 21 y/o Kawi still has the original cvt belt. The Honda is a great machine, no question. But, I do think that there is some nice competition out there. I appreciate you watching.
I own a 1999 Polaris sportsman 500 ho and it’s a tank. Smooth as butter and very reliable
Thats awesome! Did you buy it new?
@@JoeTheFarmer nope bought it from a pawn shop 17 years ago
@genecaruso5506 amazing.
He said nobody makes these things any more in the US except Artic Cat. I knew right then and there he doesn't know. I love my American made Polaris!
@joechapman5894 You are right. Polaris slipped my mind. Appreciate the catch. 👍🏼
I've got to have power steering due to shoulder problems otherwise the TSC one seems like a decent value
Totally understand. I think that is coming
My dad has a 2002 Honda rancher 350 electric shift. When I bought one I looked at the Honda, Yamaha and Kawasaki mostly. Yamaha was just a bit more than I wanted to spend at the time but I liked them. The Kawasaki’s seem to have some common issues and the Honda is tough. I paid $6299 out the door. I opted for footshift as I’ve heard newer electric shift can be finicky at times. I opted for solid axle because I move a lot of trailers. So it’s been tough. I added some 27” tires and 14” wheels. I have heard those trackers feel like they want to tip easily. I’ve not rode one. My old bass had the tracker sxs and liked it though.
You have an awesome history with machines my friend. Glad you have one you enjoy. Thanks for watching!
The real test is quality over time. I dont know about the new hondas but I've rebuilt two older ones that had damaged transmissions but the engines start right up and run like new even tho I didn't replace anything on them.
100% agree. Time will tell
I understand you liking Kawasaki. Had 750 Brute Force years, and it was very good in every way.
Kawasaki made some great machines over the years. And the new one is really a looker! Maybe @@kawasakiusa would like to send us one to compare its features with the others! For me, something about my 21 year old Kawasaki still sits high on the leaderboard.
Joe, your a nice guy I can tell. I've tested quads for a living . Everyone has a favorite. When a dirt wheels rider and writer say nice thing for instance about polaris. That writer or editor is being paid by polaris. You see a polaris rides wonderful for a month until it starts on fire or burns up all the rear bearings on the 5th ride.
It's about longevity ,my friend. Doug meyers is one of the most honest test rider s ever. He's also hated by polaris, can am, arctic cat and probably tractor supply.
Why, he's an honest person.
Don't get hooked on a Massimo to quickly. See what happens at 800 miles, at 1200, miles, and when your visiting it in the scrapyard, give it an attta boy.
Time will tell man. Lots of folks won’t put 800 miles on a machine in 10 years. But, I’ll call it straight and keep everyone posted. I’m not married to any brand, just enjoy testing different machines
Great review I give the Massimo the 👍 on looks and features.
Thanks Dale! I agree with you. The longevity will need to be earned over time, but initial thoughts are that it's a really nice option. Hope all is well!
@JoeTheFarmer yes if you buy honda your buying reliability you pay for it though. You can get the T boss for about the same price as the honda. I believe in maintenance is the biggest key to longevity.
I agree. Truth is, most people don’t want a side by side or atv to go 60 mph and take it through a swamp. They want reliable and affordable transportation off road. I would have zero concerns taking this atv in the woods. And as I showed, the seat is WAY more comfortable than the Rancher. The Honda is Clay’s. Hope I don’t owe him a royalty for using it! Lol
@@JoeTheFarmer he is the royalty!
@mileshiles1287 🤣🤣🤣. 🤴
Honda in a second. I bought 80 acres in 2012. So I went out and bought a 2002 Honda Foreman 450 used for $2800. I use this Foreman every day from running to the mailbox a mile away to dragging a 5x8 trailer around the farm. Hundreds of hours of hard abusive use and it has only had one issue (a shift sensor went out). I change the oil every 2-3 years and I have replaced the battery once. That's it. Its not fast. Its not sporty. But its a little tank. I have used it to make trails with riding down 2-3" saplings. 22 years and it is still going strong. I know the Masimos dont have a ton of problems first year....but are they really going to be performing the same in 20 years? 25 years? The Honda will.
Your 2002 Honda sounds a lot like my 2003 Kawasaki. They were all built like tanks back then. The bigger question is are they still built like that. And are the new bikes worth almost $10k. Glad you got a good one brother. Stay safe and keep living the dream. 💪🏼👊🏼
Great comparison sir! 😎 Fair and unbiased... the only thing I would add is that it's "winch", not "wench". 😂😂😂 Sorry man, I had to...lol
😂. I'll take that. My pronunciations can be suspect at times. Lol. Thanks for watching my friend!
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Thanks!
Thank you! Appreciate you watching. 😁👊🏼
I have a 2009 Rancher. I DO wish my Rancher had lo gears for pushing deep snow, but other than that, no complaints.
Glad you have a machine you enjoy brother. Appreciate you watching.
What model Arctic Cat do you have?
Hey Jon, its a small 90cc machine.
If I have the money Honda all day. When talking about the shifting you could mention whether it is bell or chain. I believe Honda still uses chain. While everyone and thier brother uses belt. Which also could explain your down hill test. Thank you for the video.
Thanks Kevin, and no question you made a good purchase. I like them both, a lot. The shifting is just odd because you would think that would be more refined at that price point. But, every machine has its quirks. Appreciate your input.
Those linhia/ Massimo machines are alright. I've had a 400 for 8 yrs now. No issues, just regular maintenance. I don't have efi on mine. I paid 3800 out the door. I also have a c force 1000 overland that is built out performance wise. Headers, tune, hesters elka shocks, stage 3 clutch and cold air intake. I dynoed 89hp. It's awesome boy's. I have $18,000 in the c force. Only my friends polaris 1000 scrambler beats me. Barely!!! But yes, if you want a regular machine to play around on get the Massimo. It's a decent machine. But certainly not a hi performance machine.
Great post. I think this machine is for the casual hunted/rider/farmer doing work and some play. Nothing like that beast you built! Be careful out there brother!!!
I used to be everything Honda when I was younger. I bought a brand new Honda Civic when I was 18. Now at 43 I still like Honda, but I think they are overpriced for what I get. I’ll take the Massimo and keep the savings over the Honda.
I think that Honda used to mean Value. Nice car or machine for a fair price. Now its priced like a premium product and it just isn’t. And when anyone charges for camo; like…more than the licensing fee, I have to ask why. Thanks for watching!
Bought a '22 Hisun Tactic 400 with all the bells and whistles except power steering and diff lock for just over $6000. Its been a great machine running around my camp and plowing snow with no problem. I wanted a king quad but for rhe price and extras I had to give the Hisun a try. Also 2 year warranty.
Thats great to know! Anytime people dog Hisun I think of how long Bill Winke has been rolling around on his Coleman/Hisun. Thanks for watching brother. 👊🏼
@@JoeTheFarmer 😆 good point!
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McPherson strut is what you find on the front of a Polaris ATV. Replaces the upper an arms. What your Mossimo has in the rear is a simple double wishbone. Now the most common rear suspension across all the manufactures. The aluminum wheels are only a premium option if the quality is good. If you bend a steel wheel it’s less likely to crack… aluminum if lower quality has a much higher chance of just cracking and leaving you stranded instead of bending and letting you limp home. Cheap steelies last longer in the rough. Transmission on that Honda is an auto shift manual.. super rugged and controllable great for work and towing. Old school tech. Cvt transmissions are great now that they’ve been out for a long time. But each manufacturer has a different feel based on weights in the sheaves. Tuning is key. My Yamaha grizz 700 spanks Honda in every catagory and will also last as long as the Honda, costs about the same yet it is setup more like the mossimo, but can come with or without power steering if you want it closer in comparison. I think it’s a bit of an unfair comparison using a basic Honda against the Chinese machine when about the only thing they share is EFI. The mossimo is a great machine based on options if your stretched on cash, want in on a midsize modern machine and don’t plan on beating it like a name brand machine. I’d consider a mossimo for my son or wife. A great learner, beginner machine. But if I want to get the absolute most out of a machine.. ya got to go big name Japanese machine. I’ll be looking forward to future updates to see how this holds up. I got my son a coolster 125 when he was young, was a great machine to learn on. Quality was rough, but functional. Had no power but did all the things you’d expect it to do. For $600 it outlasted us and we sold it to a friend for his kiddos to learn on. They have their place in the market, but not machines to replace the Hondas or Yamahas of the world.
I have a 2014 4x4 rancher that is now at a bit over 24k miles... nothing has ever broken on it. It is great on fuel, it starts and idles great always. No, its not fast, it isnt the smoothest ride, it doesnt have power steering, but it has been as reliable as an anvil. If only honda would play in the "fun" portion of the utility atv market...
I think your post sums up everything right, and wrong with Honda. They are so close. Thanks for watching.
Im 49 I've personally had Honda's continuously since 1983 my first was a atc 70 three wheeler in my opinion the honda all the way for durability and quality!👍
Man the ATC!!! That color scheme was the best. Honda’s have earned the reputation which is why we are Honda buyers also. But…and a BIG but, are they still the best and do they earn the significant premium over lesser priced competition? Its a fair debate, but if Honda has treated you well I understand then loyalty. Appreciate you watching. 👊🏼
The Massimo 550 side by side looks better than the Honda has better features. That knocking noise while shifting the Honda would get irritating. Thanks for making this video.
Thanks for watching!!!
Idk if that knock noise or click noise when shifting on the honda is normal..?? Almost sounds like something might be wrong with the ranchers tranny. I have driven Hondas my whole life fourtrax 300 4x4 Rancher 350 rancher 420 and Rincon 680. They are legendary machines but still have there issues as well. The reliability of hondas are better then other brands but still not perfect. I think if the Massimo like cf moto chineese brands if treated right and not abused, will last along time with not much fuss!!! That is just my opinion on this. Great video thanks for sharing
@AZTech25 The dct transmission is just jumpy. Have had a bunch of folks say theirs do it too. Thanks for some great points! Appreciate you watching!
I own a 1998 Honda foreman 400fw and you CANNOT KILL IT!!!!
Beat that!
Honest question. Do you believe that a 2024 Honda will last as long as yours?
I had a 98 foreman 400. Great machine. Beat to death daily on a ranch in Wyoming, and made it to 14,000 ish miles without needing any work. Then it had an issue with the charging system and we put new bearings in the rear end. I’d bet it’s still running strong wherever it is.
As to the question on quality, Honda is the only machine I’ll buy for the ranch I manage now. We’ve tried pretty much all of the major brands and Honda is the only one that’s built tough enough for what we do. The last Polaris we had was a ranger 1000. After 3 years, we had spent more on repairs and maintenance than we did purchasing the machine brand new for $35,000. Other Polaris machines we had have all been similar stories. Now we run the pioneers in every engine size. We have a 2018 1000-5 with almost 20,000 miles of hard use that’s getting the engine rebuilt because the guy busted a hole in the oil pan and lost all the oil. Other than that, it’s in near perfect mechanical condition and I expect to get another 20,000 miles out of it. I just passed down my 2021 pioneer 1000-5 with 11,000 miles in perfect condition to my summer help and replaced it with a 2024. They keep getting better.
Just like our decision to buy a Kioti tractor vs the green paint was price both are great tractors. We have always found Honda brand spendy but great equipment. I chose the tractor supply 4 runner. We fill the name brand is just to spendy for us .
Love it man. So glad you got what works for you. 👊🏼
@@JoeTheFarmer I sent you a few pictures of our ranch truck.
Never got them. jtfphotoshare@gmail.com
@@JoeTheFarmer I got a reply from that email address that the address doesn’t exist or you can’t receive mail on that address , no worries brother I know RUclipsrs want to be private
@montana4939 i just tried it and it worked? Jtfphotoshare@gmail.com. And hey, I asked for the pics! Not bothering me at all! Thanks man
I prefer can am they have everything that I would need and they are comfortable and they are very fun and nice to ride and even the utility ones have never gotten stuck and they are really fast so for me either Honda or can am but I still like the Massimo
Can Am makes a great machine. The Outlander 1000 would be a dream; but for $13k thats a lot! Lol. Thanks for watching!!!
I’m interested in seeing a longevity video a few years down the road.
How do they hold up in comparison?
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Thats the plan!
i love this stuff - im a big honda guy and have tons of vids on them - lots are for entertainment and sometimes hurts viewers feelings lol - AND I HAVE TO TELL THEM THIS IS JUST MY OPINION !!! just like this video is your opinion . Anyone remember good ole days when everyone didnt have a OPINION?? lol My true advice is just watch this video and make your own choice all of them are good and have there own plus and minus issues - oh and he is showing the trans shift and thats not all hondas lmao - foot shift sound different and so does auto - so just dont watch one video / research and go test drive one - most dealers allow it -and a good ole test drive will beat a youtube video any day . good luck everyone and stay safe on the trail
Valid points. But on the transmission, the dct is the closest to auto that I have to compare. My Kawaski is cvt also but its 21 years old and no longer an option to buy. Heck: Honda hasn’t done much to upgrade in a decade. Lol. Still like the rancher for its size and there are some excellent features…question is; are they still worthy of such a premium. And 100% right; all my opinions and people are always welcome to respectfully disagree. Appreciate your input brother; and will check out your channel.
@@JoeTheFarmerthank you and God Bless
My 1995 300 4x4 has had 1 starter, a few new batteries, and the oil changed. I use it every day. Lets talk bout that Mosimo when its 29 years old. Honda ain't what it used to be, but they are still king. And I love their "if ain't broke don't fix it" logic.
Fair points.
There are many problems with the electric shift. The manual shifter is fine. I would buy the massimo,they have good products. I'm an arctic cat guy, I've owned several with no problems.
Thanks for sharing. I should have qualified that our Arctic Cat is a 90cc carb machine. Everyone has outgrown it so it mostly sits now. Thanks for watching!
I already picked honda. Love it. But where is that other quad made?
Linhai is essentially Chinese Yamaha. They had a partnership with Yamaha for years. Very solid reputation for engine and drivetrain. Hondas are great man, we own a Honda and Kawasaki. But the big boys pricing is getting ridiculous. And, this Massimo machine is very nice. Been spending a lot of time on it and its impressive. We’ll see!
Good video.
Thanks Josh!
Who do you take it to for real repairs? Parts availability? Reliability?
Repair centers are online, but would likely do it myself if there was a problem. Bike is made by Linhai which has been around for decades. Plenty of parts. Great questions.
I have a mas 400 I love it
Glad you have a machine you enjoy. What year? Hours?
I bought a massimo 760 4 wheeler.
It rides great, the only thing I don’t like is that the exhaust heats up the fuel tank. Could be dangerous.
I’ve never run the 760; would love to! They are really nice looking machines. And that’s a lot of power. But interesting point on the fuel tank.
The fuel tank gets so hot that it builds up pressure in the tank and gas drips out of the overflow line. I cans take the cap off to relieve the pressure but in just a few seconds it builds back up and continues to push evaporated/condensed gasoline back out the overflow. It is a spark or backfire from becoming a fire ball. I’m waiting to see if the manufacturer has a fix for it. If not I’m going to put a heat shield on the exhaust pipe.
@user-rq1tf9dy9p i sent this to the Massimo folks. That doesn’t sound right at all. Will let you know what I hear back
Not atv related but side by side the honda pioneer was an awesome quite setup but had a similar transmission that I hated compared to the cvt brands. But I am a honda guy in the older semi automatic or manual transmission atc atv or dirtbikes. Going automatic you need a cvt.
Very well said. And I agree
I can relate. I was an early buyer on a cfmoto sxs and my friends were like ewww but now they're everywhere here on the beaches
I'm with you on some not all the cheaper brands. All you're doing is paying for the name. I bought a cfmoto over 3 years ago with3500 miles now And the only problem I've had is a solenoid for the winch $20 back in the game. I have a hard time believing any of these newer machines will outlast their predecessors especially with all this computer crap. I just can't see you getting 30 years out of this new machines and if you do it's gonna be a lot of work You're not just gonna have to clean the carb put some fuel in the air up the tires and go that's for sure.
I think you are very right on the electronics. The wiring harnesses alone are intimidating. An old Honda 300 with wires to the starter and lights will last because there isn’t much to break! Lol. Thanks for watching
Personally I'd take the lockers over power steering anyway.
My only two concerns are if & when it breaks down how hard is it gonna be to get parts & if it does have a CVT transmission
If infact it does have a CVT transmission that alone would probably be a deal breaker for me.
Polaris and Yamaha have been using g CVT for decades. I would t worry.
You will always get people that will say just buy a ..... We just bought 9 acers of land in Tennessee and are looking for a tractor and some kind of side by side or quad like that. People need to weigh all the pros and cons. I was dead set on getting the green tractor at first but then with a lot of research and honest open mindedness, that will not be my choice. I haven't got to the buggies yet but those two items at Tractor supply are looking like a great option. Especially for a retired guy on a limited budget. Most expensive doesn't always mean the best.
Thanks for watching Dan. And congrats on the new Homestead! I say buy whats right for you in your budget. I like all machines and enjoy sharing the ones we get to demo, but truth be told I am less concerned with who makes it and more concerned with how comfortable it is. Most equipment is good now; and depending on use any of these machines can and should last a long long time. Not sure if you have seen my tractor videos; but best advice is buy the dealer, not the paint color. You will break things and will need help. You want someone you can laugh it off with while they quickly get your machine fixed. Ask me how I know! Lol. Appreciate you watching!
Consider a bobcat ct2025 for a tractor.
Check out cfmoto they make 4 Wheelers & side x sides a lot cheaper than the name brands I bought a 2024 cforce 1000 side x side it was 6,000 cheaper than The other Brands. It came with a roof and a 4000 pound winch to the other brands didn't
@ronaldcrowell155 CF Moto is giving a lot of the big brands headaches. They are now selling $50k side by sides and wondering why people shop elsewhere. Glad you have what you enjoy! 👍🏼👊🏼
looking at a Kioti 2610. The Bobcats brother@@frankwrogg2515
I just purchased a CFMoto CForce 600. CFMoto does all the manufacturing for KTM now. Yes people do like the Big 4 but many of their models are outdated and expensive. Believe me I own 10 motorcycles and many are Japanese. Plus a lot of the Japanese models are not manufactured where people think they are. Matter of fact is that the BMW parallel twin motors are made in China. Many of Hondas motors are made in China. Many ATVs are rebadged from other companies such as Kymco. A John Deer Gator has a Kawasaki motor. You just don't know where they come from. Maybe people can't believe that Tractor Supply , which has everything,, can put out a good specific product.
Hey Ron! Congrats on the new bike. I would love to take a CF Moto for a ride...they are really nice looking machines. The 1000 looks like a monster. You are right on so many levels. There is nothing wrong with the big 4, or CF Moto, or Linhai, etc. The margins between the manufacturers are getting slimmer but the pricing isn't. You bring up a great point about sourcing; we have no clue where the parts come from. I own a lot of equipment and have sold a lot of equipment. The most important economy to me is the one under my roof. I own a Honda and a Kawasaki and both are excellent. But I don't bleed one color. If I was going to go out and buy a machine today, the first thing I do is get a pad and pen and start researching where the best value is. Appreciate you watching and weighing in. You bring a lot to this community.
I’ve got a 1996 Honda Foreman that runs like a champ. Starts at the touch of the button. Come back in 28 years and tell how good that other one is.
You honestly think a 2024 Honda Foreman will last 28 years?!? I don’t.
@@JoeTheFarmer they sure don’t make them like they used to.
No sir they don’t. Still love my 21 y/o Kawasaki Prairie. Excellent machine. Wouldn’t trade that 96’ for a new one.
my 2024 CFMOTO 600 was $9k out the door, power steering, 4x4, locking diff
Wow, thats a good price but they sure are going up. Congrats on the new bike! I hear nothing but good things about @cfmotoofficial
As the owner of a '22 Honda Super Cub, I can attest to Honda's ability to hide all the important bits behind shells and shrouds, making even the most mundane repairs and adjustments something you need a master's degree to figure out.
It’s a head scratcher for sure. BUT, they are excellent machines. Appreciate you watching brother!
Come back in 30 yrs. And tell us how good that bike is. My 2003 350 rancher Honda has years own it and it's a jewel.
We’re not comparing a 2003; we’re comparing current models. And I think your 03’ will outlive the new model Honda’s.
Perhaps they have come a long way as a company, We bought a 2018 side by side from TSC and it compared to the Kawasaki my friend had was I don't want to say junk because still have it and it runs. But no where close in comparing the two. The Massimo had weak squeaking suspension, zerk fittings where pressed in not screwed they pop out when you grease it, Trans will knock you out of the seat going into drive, and changing the oil is a nightmare. But 6 years later I am sure they are a better units
Hey Jeff, thanks for watching. We have a 2013 Kawasaki 4010 and it’s a great machine. From 2018 to now there has been a major improvement in quality (and increase in price!). I have a lot of machines and the gap is closing. Massimo is not Honda or Kawasaki….but they are not as far behind as some may think. Especially since Honda seems to have mailed it in. Kawasaki’s new quad design is awesome. Time will tell!
The shroud on the honda pops in/out in seconds the plastic tits are built in the shroud and are pretty solid. Its all one piece now.
I would go with Honda because of personal experience with tgem.being rode hard all the time swamped them many of times and just drain the air box and ride on the rest of the day or night
Tough to kill for sure. Thanks for watching!
Is the cheap atv have a belt or shaft driven?
Shaft driven.
It comes down to 3 thing, parts, availability, manufacturer support, and aftermarket support
100% agree. Honda has proven that...now Massimo will need to do the same. Thanks for watching brother.
I spent the extra money to get the honda but thats all ive known i have a super old trx300 a 2001 foreman and a 22 rancher they have all been extremely reliable So when i went to purchase my 22 rancher i tested a few different brands and just couldn't come home with anything but a honda lol i honestly almost bought a cfmoto but figured it might be a nightmare to try to keep running
I get it brother. Honda has been good to you; loyalty was earned. I’d like to test a @cfmotoofficial, look like great bikes. The 1000cc machine is unreal. Thanks for watching!
@@JoeTheFarmer I test drove one and liked it super fun and a great looking atv just wasn't what I was looking for at the time I might go get one soon tho ya never know when you're going to need 4 ATVs lol
@thereaper3575 Ha! Who’s counting?!? Not me! I love machines man. So Blessed to be able to test and demo different things. Pushes me out of my comfort zone. 💪🏼
I don't know where you get the 9k price for the rancher base price is 5999.99 which in all accounts the most comparable model that has no eps would be 7399.99 seems like a more apple's to apples price comparison not the top of the line honda just my honest opinion. The Honda transmission is completely different. it's not a cvt like the Massimo also. I appreciate you sharing the video and thoughts all good stuff at the end of the day.
Lol; I got it from the fact that we have an invoice for the one in my barn.
You failed to mention Honda's $620 destination fee and whatever doc fee the dealer is charging and about a $400 add on for camo. No winch, handguards, etc. Also about 70 less cc's. I think my comparison was fair.
@@JoeTheFarmeryou are definitely right about the price point I just went and looked at a new Honda base model and it was 9000 grand so I got a used Honda rancher and I love it
Glad you got a great machine you love my friend! Be safe out there.
Theres an update on the transmission on the honda on the 2021.. bring it to your dealer
Thanks for letting me know. Is it a software or hardware update?
Software.. complain to your dealer and if you have extended warranty it is covered.. Had mine done last year and now it's much better and smoother
Awesome info; thank you. I'll call the dealer and ask. Appreciate ya.
The Honda transmission has a small "thunk" to it while shifting because it acts like a automatic transmission in a car, it is shifting actual gears. The Massimo/Linhai uses a cvt like all of the other atv makers because it's a much simpler system to make. It's also a much easier system for the end user to work on versus Honda's fancy automatic transmission. As nice as Honda's are for reliability, out of all of the big brands their atv's feel the most dated even their most premium model. They haven't changed anything with their atv's in 15 years or more. The Rancher is a $9,000 atv that isn't giving you $9,000 of anything new.
Someone who instantly attacks something like the Massimo/Linhai will always have a beef with a Chinese or Taiwanese brand trying to compete with the likes of Honda, Suzuki, Kawasaki and so on. People do it with everything, it doesn't matter if it's automobiles or power tools if they don't like something they instantly default to calling it junk even if they never tried it. Them knowing where it was made makes them believe their opinion is justified. I think it's also part of the fear like everyone had during the 1980's. When everyone was afraid of the Japanese brands taking over and ousting US brands. Now it's just another round of the same thing but this time it's a Chinese or Taiwanese brand trying to show they're also capable of making a quality item.
It's nice to see that Tractor Supply will be offering a full size quad for those who want it. For me personally I would go with a CF Moto CeForce 500 instead because it is a few dollars less and it comes standard with EPS. For me it would also be easier to get a payment plan through a CF Moto dealer than it would be through Tractor Supply. Tractor Supply wants you to sign up for their credit card in order to do payments on anything large. I avoid credit cards like the plague. :)
Man; great post. I think you nailed it. Appreciate you watching brother.
@@JoeTheFarmer Keep up the good work. 👍😁
I appreciate your support. Thank you
HAY JOE, HAVE YOU EVER CHECKED OUT THE CF MOTO? MAYBE SOME DAY IF YOU CAN, THAT WOULD MAKE A GOOD VIDEO. STAY COOL, PEACE FROM CREEL CHIHUAHUA, MEXICO...
Hey! I have seen them and would love to review one. That would be a great video!
I would pay more for reliability. I have a 1998 Honda 4 track and it's still running strong.
Do you think the new Hondas will last as long as the 98’?
The important subject in comparisons is longevity, or, how many of one product can I buy compared to the price of the proven reliable product.
My 86 Honda Big Red is on its 3rd generation of riders, has been abused but has never had a failure except for the normal wear and is still going strong, and that is only one of the many Honda products I have bought, all which never had the engines or transmission torn down.
So how many of this product can I buy to one Honda would be my question?
And are parts readily available?
If I could buy 3 of these compared to the price of 1 Honda, or even 2, but I don't have that kind of money to gamble away.
Most of the products I buy are from China because they are at least half the price of USA made and sometimes much better and far more advanced, but when it comes to big ticket items I take proven over questionable.
Your logic is on point. And I am in the same boat. But the real question is; is a 2024 Honda the same quality as your 83’? I just don’t think it is. The Honda will have cheap electronics and wiring like all the others and I just wonder if it is still worthy of a 30-40% premium. Time will tell of course, but we will see. Parts should be no issue; the Massimo is a Linhai and they have been building bikes for decades. Thanks for watching!
love my linhai only paid $40 for it lol biut it's a 2012 solid axel model good machine heavy duty
Wait…$40?!?
No problem with your video, but I just got a Honda rancher 2024 and have a 5 year warranty on it.
Congratulations on the new machine! Was it an extended warranty or through the dealer? Honda still has a 1 year warranty but you can buy a longer one. Interesting. Hope you love it! No question they are great machines.
There is no warranty through TS. TS does not handle warranty repair. You must take to a designated repair facility which could be several hour drive away, which is what I found out on their Coleman minibike.
You are correct. TSC does not repair them and depending on where you live it’s good to know who will do warranty work before buying. Sorry you had an issue with the mini bike. They aways looked fun! Never had one.
I love Honda but I will take anything with a better price and serviceability. You add independent suspension, better comfort and hand guards for your hands. Great comparison with the facts not to make money like a salesman.
Thanks for watching Charles, it is fun comparing machines. I don’t have a dog in the hunt which someone likes. Just fun to spark conversation. Take care!
Why does the Massimo only have a 493cc 32 HP EFI 4 stroke engine.
When the model states 550; you would think that if that's the model that the engine would be closer to 500 cc or higher; because a lot of machines engines model are the same cc or as close to it.
Not sure what i think about this machine
I guess for the same reason a Ford F150 doesn't have 150 hp. It can get confusing, not sure why they do it that way. So far been really enjoying the machine.
I agree with another commenter on here, in that CF Moto makes a very good ATV for the money. I wouldn't know who around me would want to service a mossimo. I'm sure that ATV would be fine for most people though. For how long? Who knows? My workhorse is a little Arctic Cat 400 4x4 automatic. 100% reliable, at 20 years old!
Thanks for watching Molly! They don’t make them like they used to. Our Arctic Cat is a carbureted 90cc machine. Just a bear to get started if it sits for more than a week.
gee I have a 2022 honda & do like it,but the efi? Its great,but I cant fix it like the old carbs (fixed a few different carbs) yes I prefer a carb over efi, the less electronics to fail the better [IMO]
but am open to a Mossimo ATV :)
competition is a good thing and where a thing is made? uh thats a choice each person can do.
for me? quality [to me] is #1
price/cost? is #2
my honda is over priced, just is. low ground clearance, its slow [oh well so am I]
power steering on an ATV? it might be nice, but not needed. [I prefer stability, longevity and easy to repair]
Ive tested the electronic PS and just do not like it [too jerky, too responsive] loose the "feel" of driving control {IMO} electronic things are subject to fail. and parts are not cheap nor easy to find and can you build it? when its out, it is out.
All great input. You know your stuff my friend. Appreciate you weighing in. I agree, competition can only help us. Take care!
It would be interesting to see how they both pull trailer with a few hundred pound tongue weight?
That is a great point; and one that I missed. The Massimo has a 2” receiver and the Honda does not. Again, not saying one is better or worse, just a fact. Couldn’t do that test unless i had a higher end Honda to use
My thoughts, no manufacture has ever given me jack shit lol. I know many people who have had great luck with some of the Chinese quads and I know some that have had horrible experiences. As someone who has owned several different brands of quads and side by sides I can tell you Honda has pretty much one claim to fame and that’s reliability. They have long been left behind In both performance and fit/finish. Before anybody melts down on me I currently own a 23 1000 pioneer and while it does the job it’s for sure dead last in comfort.
No one will melt down on you brother. We keep it civil here. My father in law has a pioneer 1000 also. Very solid machine, but also very pedestrian. But you are right, quality and value were the story they told. Now they are pricey in my opinion.
Honda still needs a model with nice wheels, a winch, and leds. They gotta modernize
I agree!
Now I've heard horror stories about Hondas dual clutch transmissions, it wasn't not too long ago they had a different automatic setup like on their Rubicon foremans that was also very problematic. I was kind of blown away that Honda is still using such an archaic design when it comes to the rear set up. I can't believe they're still using a solid rear axle. It's dead reliable but it's just a very old design. I figured everybody was doing full independent suspension regardless of model. Now as far as the Massimo goes I saw the word linhai on the back for the a arm guards. I have owned a Linhai... The quality is okay in some places, the One major thing where quality sucks on these or at least they used to is the electronics. And mine was a 2004 I know they were still fairly new back then but I had to buy a new wiring harness for mine because the old one caught fire, even the quality of the new wiring harness was subpar. The ATV itself it ran great, from what the dealer told me down in Georgia they actually partnered with Yamaha to build the engine, and it did run good but it was just that wiring that really sucked and it made me get rid of it. Hated that too because it was a comfortable bike.
I think the Linhai motor and drivetrain has proven itself reliable. Not sure about your other points but great post. Lots to think about. Thanks for watching!
You want a lot of bang for your buck get a CF MOTO. I own 2 CF Motos and a Polaris, all three have been great machines but those CF Motos are a lot cheaper and come with a lot more standard accessories. Whatever you buy get out and ride. Life is short. Thanks.
CF Moto makes some impressive machines. Would love to take the 1000 cc quad for a spin! Glad you have what you like. And you are right, whatever you buy…get out and use it!
@@JoeTheFarmerI got an 800 cfmoto if you’re ever in. Florida
Would be a fun test! Thanks man
@@JoeTheFarmer no problem.
I have a Honda Fourtrax 300 that’s 34 years old with 14000+ miles and still going strong on the original engine. Their is no comparison in quality between the two.
Honda makes a great machine. But boy are they proud of them! For the price there should be more included imo.
Your comparing hydrostatic to belt drive. Good luck with you're Massimo clutch's and belts working it ...
I like cvt. My 03 Kawasaki Prairie has the original belt...flawless and smooth. I get shifting gears; but man the Honda plays rough.
What I see is the Honda still running many years down the road and if anything needed repair it is easy to find a Honda place for parts and service. Massimo might be very good, but if it breaks it will be a real pain to find parts for. Personally I like Yamaha products:P
The Massimo is actually a Linhai. Linhai had a relationship with Yamaha for years and the setup is essentially a Yamaha clone. They apparently shared tech and manufacturing expertise. I like my 21 y/o Kawasaki...but the Massimo really is growing on me. If it was 700cc's I would be sold.
@@JoeTheFarmer I am not saying it will be a bad product, just going by experience with clones is they are good the 1st year or two, but then fall a part a lot sooner down the road. I would rather wait and see how they do year after year and if they hold up as well as Honda and Yamaha I would then probably buy one. Please keep us updated on how well it lasts and how reliable it is for you thanks!
@JasPlun Oh, I didn’t take it that way! I think your post was great. Massimo didn’t pay me to review but I do get to do a long term review so I will definitely keep you posted. And will call it straight! Appreciate you watching. 😁👍🏼👊🏼
I had a Kubota tractor and traded it in for a John Deere tractor but I will seriously look at the kioti tractor if I decide to upgrade to something bigger.
Been very happy. Appreciate you watching brother!!!
Sure the massimo may seem smoother because it is cvt and the honda is actually going through gears. The honda transmission is way better when doing any pulling or really anything. Honda is one of the only ones still offering a regular gearbox still.also why the honda has the engine braking ant the massimo does not .
Appreciate the feedback Taylan. 👍🏼
Well, if tsc gave me one to try out, I would probably give it good review also. But you have to be honest with yourself. Dependability? Service? Availability of parts? Come to mind. It’s cheaper for a reason.
If you think my integrity is worth an atv you have no business watching my channel.
Simple answer to your initial question.
Buy once, cry once. It may cost more upfront but it'll be cheaper in the long run than saving a few bucks now. And paying for repairs over time down the road.
Independent rear suspension and solid rear axle have different use cases. The rancher as it's name implies would be a ranch or farm use machine. Mostly flat farm land. Witch could still hit the trails. Just not a comphy ride. You will feel more of the trails. Independent rear suspension awesome for the trails while still being perfectly fine for farm/ranch work.
Honda transmissions are famous for the clicking/clunking. Used to be a lot worse. Still great machines. With some gremlins.
Even my 2002 Yamaha Bear Tracker with its foot shift is smoother than a Honda transmission.
My 03 Kawasaki Prairie is an incredible machine. I know what you mean. And I agree with suspension uses…but the more expensive and complex suspension is on the value machine. Competition is good. Thanks for the post, great insight. 👍🏼
The Honda engines are so good. I have a 1996 that still runs great and doesn't use a drop of oil. I wonder about who makes the engines for the other and what their history is.
Early Honda and Kawasaki machines are excellent. The newer machines, time will tell. I love my 21 y/o Kawasaki. These machines and engines are built by Linhai. You can research them but long story short, they had a partnership with Yamaha for years. Lots of Yamaha dna in these atvs/side by sides. Thanks for watching Pat!
I have a 1997 Honda 4 Trax 300 that we bought brand new then. It still runs as good today as the day we bought it.... It's simple to work on and it is dependable to say the least. I went to buy a new one about a month ago and I was not happy at all with the hidden charges that our local dealer added onto the final price. Between destination, freight, set up, and clerical charges it added a lot of more money to the stated sticker price. I wanted a new one but I can't justify this insane mark up. I would think about this tractor supply model if I knew I could have a support network for parts. I'm a good mechanic and I'm able to repair my own machinery. I would just need parts to do so if needed....
@jerseywoods9994 Man, you nailed it. I get a lot of comments that the machines are close in price…and some are. But the $400 for camo, $695 destination, $300 doc fee, $150 prep, and on and on. It’s out of hand. I like competition. And I know that the big dealers don’t like it when you can go buy this all in for $6,999. Will prob go lower when TSC puts them ln special. Time will tell on reliability and longevity. I’m like you, I do most of the service. Big problems would be a mechanic. There should be plenty of parts as this is basically a T Boss 550 with an atv body. T Boss has been around for a long time and that motor and drivetrain are proven. Thanks for watching and NEVER sell that old quad! I wouldn’t trade my 03’ Kawi Prairie for a new one. 👊🏼
The Honda has the knock between shifts because its and actual transmission, there isn't a stupid rubber band being used as a piss poor excuse for a transmission. There is absolutely no comparison between the 2
That rubber band is used in just about every premium atv and side by side on the market. And if it was executed properly, it wouldn't jolt as much as it does (especially on hills). I know machines my friend...I got a bunch of them. My Kawasaki prairie that is 21 years old still has the original cvt belt. It's a non issue. Honda is charging a lot for these machines; that should be smoother. To argue otherwise is silly. I could care less if people like the Honda or the Massimo; doesn't affect me either way. But Honda needs to do better.
CVT's benefit the manufacturers. Gears benefit the consumer. My Polaris Scrambler was a POS. Just sold my 2021 Can-Am Outlander 1000R XT-P. Seat position is uncomfortable. Engine heat on right side is super annoying and always have to worry about pushing the CVT with all those cc's. I wish Honda would make a larger frame and displacement unit. My next ATV will probably be the Yamaha Grizzly 700. Just learning about Massimo. Seems to be assembled in TX. I'll research more but I absolutely abhor Chinese made products and avoid them when I can. Can't always avoid it but given the choice I will. We in the US are hurting ourselves to to pay less while buying Chinese made products. I'll buy US made .... actually I'll buy just about anything made anywhere but China.
Totally understand. And the grizzly is a beast. Would also look at the new Kawasaki Brute Force. Can't wait to ride one...something about that Kawasaki Green.