I concur. I'm working on correcting this bad habit in my own skating. I have also noticed that strengthening the core really helps with keeping the hips underneath. A weak core makes it much easier to pitch forward with the torso (and consequently in the long run, that is really bad for the lower back).
I have a bad back as is and my back let’s me know when I’m in the incorrect position so I can make an adjustment. I play hockey so it happens more than I’d like to admit but I’m working on it
The issue with the hips for a lot of people is actually anterior pelvic tilt. Many adult skaters suffer from that, especially if you danced a great deal or are overweight. That needs to be addressed off ice.
This isn't really about pelvic tilt. This is about bending your body in the wrong way. Of course pelvic tilt needs to be remedied (for many people it can't be fixed) to be a good skater (otherwise you'll be injured before you're any good) it tends to not actually interfere with skating technique. Many high level skaters have natural pelvic tilts that cannot be fixed because it's just how their bones are built.
@@anika5094 Except that a lot of people don't realize that they have a problem with pelvic tilt and then struggle with getting their hips under them. Or they only work on the issue on ice and do nothing off ice to correct it. Plus, it is more common than many people realize. So they fight against their own bodies to correct the hip issue and get frustrated by their lack of progress. Which I know because I've been studying the past 18 months to become a physical therapist. Plus I've been skating figures and hockey for three decades.
Interesting comments here. I have a few high level skaters with anterior pelvic tilt issues and it also goes hand in hand with a painful back. It doesn't matter how much I would tell them to stick their hips forwards, they won't be able to do it. We work on addressing the problem off ice, and over a longer period of time, small improvements can be seen💪
@@IceCoachOnline do you have any of the exercises available anywhere? i've been trying to remedy my anterior pelvic tilt for the past year and it DEFINITELY impacts skating (i have to very consciously move my hips back and stop arching my back, but my posture will always return). despite making a lot of progress, nothing seems to fully remedy it. i was going to get a referral to physio or a physiatrist next
@@kaitlyn_sc2 I haven't actually made any videos covering this topic off ice on my website. It ends up being something I teach regularly over zoom lessons, and with my in person students. That is a good idea to make a video covering this though. I will add it to the list of content I want to create for the site. I would highly recommend seeking a coach/physio to help with this though as you need someone to really make sure you are doing the correct exercises with the correct technique 👍
I skated competitively for 7 years when I was a kid but quit at 15. Now, after a 24 year hiatus I've bought a pair of skates and tried them on for the first time last night. My god! I was Bambi on ice! 😆 So now I'm here, watching ALL of your videos, and relearning the basics. The trouble is though, I'm 39 years old now, with a tilted pelvis, a big booty, arthritis in my lower back and neck, and a pipedream to gracefully float across the ice again. Is it unreasonable?
I completely agree with you. Taught me son to keep his hips under, knees bent, He was the fastest hockey player on the ice. And because it became a habit, he could really check and take a hit.
@@IceCoachOnline I coached figure skating for 30 years. Some of the skills I taught my son really helped with hockey. He would just jump over players if they fell in front of him. Once when he was on a break out, he had 4 try to check him from different angles. He just jumped and spun thru them. They crashed into each other. He carried on with the puck and got a shot at the net. His coach looked back at me in disbelief. Can't do that if you're leaning forward. It's all about balance.
Game changer. After watching this video, I became more aware of the orientation of my pelvis during skating. Then, I deliberately practiced crossovers, edges and turns while paying close attention to my hips. I was surprised at the dramatic increase in stability and strength of push when my hips were under me. Thank you!
This is something you teach as the skater gets stronger but when they are on the ice for the very first time they tend to lean back too much causing them to fall backwards so the skaters are told to lean forward.
Yes that is correct. When skating for the first time it's best to lower the centre of gravity, and adopt a position of maximum stability. This advice is applicable to when you have advanced on to 3 turns, Mohawks, one foot spins etc.
That's a very common thing to do. Remember that when skating backwards the weight should be over the ball of the foot, and not towards the back of the blade! Anyone who tells you the opposite is teaching you to fall 😬🥺
@@IceCoachOnline when I skate backwards with my weight on the ball of my feet, my body leans forward and my toes are spreading out trying to get grips inside the boots. Is there something wrong and how can I fix that?
@@bellechua2381 this is a normal think to do when learning to skate backwards. It's very common to lean too far forwards, it's also better that leaning too far backwards 😅 It might help you adjust the position a bit by just trying to push your toes up to the top of the boot. We have a more I depth video discussing the exact problem you mention on our website 👍 (edited due to awful typos 😂)
@@IceCoachOnline As a racing roller skater (and I assume it is the same thing in speed skating on ice), we do have to be bent forward ... But I completely agree with you on casual skating, artistic skating and maybe ice hockey ! (Btw sorry if my English is bad, it's not my native language 😅)
Some will take to it like ducks to water, others it will take a few tries for they get the hang of it, and once they do, It's not long before they are doing the figure of 8 on crowded rink
Oh gosh! I'm two days on the ice (i skated in my childhood but that was long ago and I never had any kind of trainer) and your advice will really help me! Didn't know about this at all. Thank you!
I just started working with a new coach and she’s drilling this out of me! One thing she said that helped me is to think of bending on the ankles and knees more rather than knees and hips
I tend to notice people don't really feel or notice their outside edges on the ice. After I was taught how to feel my outside edges, I immediately began skating better.
Thank you so much for this video, I know I do this as a beginner! I’m really struggling with crossovers and three turns right now so will concentrate on getting my hips under me and hopefully that will help. I really notice breaking at the hips when I’m going backwards, where is feels safer even though it’s not. My coach is always telling us to stand up straighter!
Breaking at the hips when going backwards is very common at first, it can take a long to to overcome that fear aspect and straighten up. Keep practicing and it will get better over time 🙂
this is very helpful because next week I'm gonna go ice skating with my friend and I'm very nervous because it's my first time especially being so scared of falling down
This is exactly the main struggle for me, my hips are not strong so they always stick out even when I try not to. It becomes such a problem when trying to upgrade jumps and spins :/
In my opinion Off ice training will greatly improve your skating (provided you are doing the correct type of training) . This will improve all aspects of your skating 🔥
As a skier of 36 years, turned now rec hockey player, this is my biggest and hardest thing to change. Its very natural for me to go into that tucked weight forward position and trying to fix my stance is proving difficult. But 1 I have to change
Thanks so much for this! When you did the three turn with hip sticking out, it reminds me of how I did my three turns in the very beginning, and it took me two months to get the first valid three turn (I mean being able to hold my BI edge), and even now when I have learned salchow and toe Loop, looking back, I still think FO 3 turns had been the most difficult element for me to learn along the journey. If I could have known this earlier, things might not be as difficult.
Also I saw comments about anterior pelvic tilt and it's relationship with this bad habit. Likely I am one of them… I don't really have back pain and actually my back bend flexibility could be better than most kids. I need to constantly try to strengthen my core to overcome the hip sticking out issue, but once I stretch my back (e.g. off ice training to get prepared for donut/haircut positions), the wrong body alignment occurs on ice again. So that's the delimma I am facing now and I don't see a way out
@@ruiyangliu7392 are you stiffer when your hips are in the correct position? Do you need to be stiff to hold your hips in the correct position? Just an idea, I'm not a teacher.
Good advice.. I am currently struggling with this.. thank you for demonstrating this for us.. I think another common barrier would be the mental stigma of believing you can do it. At leaste it is for me...
This video will be really helpful for me. I do tend to lean forward a lot when skating, especially when doing two foot turns. In my last class, I fell forward right on my face. I didn't get hurt, but it was a great reminder!
Thanks for the tip. Been trying the head up, chest up, butt down hockey stance with some success-20 years off ice. First lesson tomorrow ill try your suggestion. Thanks.
I see this mistake all the time in public session and sometimes even among elite skaters! Another common mistake is looking down on the ice or not stacking ankles, hips, and shoulders (variation of the same issue).
I'm watching this video while nursing an injured pelvis from falling on my rump on the ice. I'm a newbie and won't be going back on the ice until I can teach myself how to work with my own center of gravity. You mention doing off-ice work, what would that entail? I wanna learn SO BAD!!
Ouch, sorry to hear about the injured pelvis! I hope you recover quickly. There are many different things you can work on off the ice depending on what your goals may be. This can be working on very specific strength exercises, specific balance exercises etc. For some example exercises you can see some of the off ice videos on our RUclips channel. There are even more videos on our website icecoachonline.com Off ice is a very common thing to do to improve on ice abilities. We work with students of all levels and ages on zoom to help them reach their goals on ice. Of course the quickest improvements are made when there is a coach guiding you through exactly what you need to do to reach your goals. Feel free to reach out to us by email if you would like further information 🙂 Team@icecoachonline.com
hi lloyd! i unfortunately have overcorrected and now my coach is saying that i'm arching back too much. but louise's core workout is helping with that!! :-)
🤦🏼♂️😂 Hopefully you can settle on having a position in the middle of the two! Glad to hear Louise's core workouts are helping you though, hope you're doing well and the skating is good 🙂❤️
The most common mistake I see with beginners is, if they do end up doing the 'chicken dance' as you call it, they then windmill their arms, which puts them even more off-balance and likely to hit the deck. If I make a mistake and feel off balance I just bend my knees more to lower my centre of gravity. That usually keeps me up right then I can come to a stop and set up the exercise again. Guess its something you have to learn but I just seem to do it automatically now and save myself 9/10 times.
Very helpful. My daughter and I started skating again (we are basic level 3/4 skaters). I'm sure there are all kinds of 'simple' fixes that could improve my skating. Unfortunately with group lessons, the instructor gives general guidance to skate around in circles or whatever, and I'm sure we develop good/bad habits along the way. There is not much opportunity to get individual critique or correction. I would almost like to try getting a few individual lessons sometime to see if it would help with some of the fundamentals. Because otherwise I am trying to build ongoing skating skills on bad fundamentals.
Loving the videos SO MUCH, totally addicted! I first touched a rink 3 weeks ago for my new job as an iceguard; Leaning forward was never something I was taught to do, so it never got to become habit, luckily! I keep straight up and down with a slight bend in the knees.. - unless I get tripped up or lose balance, then I'll lean down and grab my legs just above my knees for stability.
I'm a beginner skater and was fairly confident skating around on hockey skates. Got my first pair of figure skates today as I've got lessons coming up in a few weeks and I just ate shit today. Kept catching the toe pick, couldn't relax, bambi legs the whole time etc. Hoping these tips will sort me out because my confidence went out the window 😂 Practice makes perfect though!
as a speed skater, it's so funny to hear someone saying you should skate standing straight up lol. Figure skating seems like a totally inverse way of thinking about skating in some regards.
You bring up an interesting point. However the requirements of your sport compared to ours are very different, just like the equipment we use is also very different. If I wanted to go go as fast as I could on ice, I would lower my centre of gravity and adopt a position that more closely resembles the way a speed skater skates. You need to adopt the posture on ice to best suit what you're trying to do.
@@IceCoachOnline absolutely! While we are both technically "skating," nearly everything else about the two disciplines is entirely different. It's really interesting to see just how they differ (which is why I clicked on this video)
@@cristina8868 please remember this isn't a video telling you the best way to go as fast as possible on ice. It's to explain the most common mistakes people make when trying to figure skate and perform figure skating moves. This posture is the best way to have good balance when executing different movements in our sport. For a beginner in figure skating, having the hips back means they will typically transfer weight out of the pushing foot before actually using it to push, resulting in a weaker push, and being off balance for their turns/jumps because they are now also leaning forwards. Also, you have to keep in mind that in figure skating, style is very important - it's part of the sport. You won't get very as a figure skater if you produce a style that neither the audience or judges want to watch. That said, you also won't skate as fast as you're capable of with different posture if you are transferring your weight out of the pushing foot before executing a good strong push.
@@cristina8868 you're welcome 🙂 Choctaws are possible in hockey skates (I even have a friend who can do a triple loop in them), but they are much harder to do with the hockey blade on. There is a video on the RUclips channel where I show all of the different Choctaws you can do (missing one or two very unusual variations). It might interest you 👍
I just started to correct this in my skating session this morning, it makes a world of difference. I couldn’t figure out why a simple forward stroking was difficult for me 😅 this is going to take a lot of work as I’m a beginner and I tend to look at my feet all the time which means I’m bending down and forward. Watching where my hips are also helped me do a baby spin today, previously I was falling out of my spin attempts as my upper body was wobbling too much, I guess it also has to do with my hips being pushed back and my upper body being tilted forward instead of standing upright.
This is the first time I ever hear about this but I know all the tricks I have mastered I do straight up and all the ones I am still practicing I do lower to the ice. Only thing I have trouble doing straight up is going fast due to air friction so I do go faster with the shoulder strat😅
I’m struggling to keep my balance while up straight, my down fall is always falling back (it’s how I also broke my wrist) -- how do I stop myself from falling backward
I will also said bending knees and using the toe pick as a break or for pushing, before taking lessons I had mummy legs XD and took me a while getting rid of the toe pick habit
the most common mistake see surprisingly is that both figure skaters and normal skaters who are there just for fun never tie their skates tight enough- as a result they have little to no support from the skate and end up having their ankle go weird when doing jumps and stuff, im a figure skater myself and i see this happening constantly. i remember going to the public rink to go practice and someone was skating with very loose skates having their ankle bending inwards when skating that must of hurt-
"of course, if you have to feet to far back you're gonna do the chicken dance," *scish, phish, scrape* "and fall over." I laughed at this more than I probably should have.
@@IceCoachOnline which brings the question: how loose is too loose, and how taught is too taught? Many people I know say skates hurt their feet in the places where foot bones stick out.
@@dohavename6775 having a video about the correct way of tying skates might be fun/interesting. Does everything need to be equally tight? Free style skaters tend to have shoes that look very loose from what I've seen, i think for flexibility? Is there something to avoid in order to prevent the skates from wearing out sooner than necessary? I've figured out what makes me feel secure, but I wouldn't be surprised if someone told me i don't follow the best practices
@@zottelhuehs6375 no, your laces mustn't be equally tight everywhere! it's supposed to be a bit looser on the tip of your toes, and at the top of your skate (= on your calf). And on the contrary, the tightest part of your skate is supposed to be the middle (= on your ankle), because your ankle has to be supported a lot, whereas you need your skate to be a bit looser on the calf so you can have enough room to bend your leg during crossovers (for example) without hurting yourself (which is what's gonna happen if the skate is too stiff). I suggest you watch a video on youtube if you need more information about this, because it'll impact the way you skate a lot :) hope this was useful!! (PS: I'm a figure skater, so what I'm telling you is maybe not completely accurate for other ice-related disciplines). Take care x
@@marion6538 hi, thanks for your response :D I wear figure skates, but I'm more of a going in circles talking with friends skater while occasionally trying out easy tricks XD
im new to skating, only been doing so for 8 weeks. And I do definitely have this problem, big time, even my instructor keeps telling me that. Could you tell me if i need to put my knees in front of my toes? I was a long time power lifter and this was a big no when doing squats and deadlifts as it can easily cause knee injury, so I feel like doing so goes against my nature. is there a simple exercise that can help me fix my forward lean? i feel like falling backward every time i try to be more upright.
Using a cheap skate or rental skate is probably the worst mistake to make. First, the boot has to feel comfortable. Second, the blades on cheap skates either can't cut into the ice so it skids or the opposite where the ice grips the blade causing the body to tumble forward.
I don’t know if you’ll see this is an old video. But I knew what it was gonna be before I watched lol. I’m an adult skaterskater who gave a huge long break after childhood/early teens. I don’t have any problems falling forwards or getting stuck on toepicks etc. I guess muscle brain memory from way back help me balance myself out of situations, but man I break at the waist every time I take a break. If I work at it I can get a good posture start looking good, but again after every break,.. I break. Any idea why? I don’t think it’s wanting to be close to the ice level of thing. I did play hockey before I gave a break I wonder if that makes me bend to get speed or something because I got used to hockey skating at some level? Or is it something else I need to work on core or legs strength? I need to get better fitting boots but I’m not sure I could find the correlation with that. If you see this any ideas you can throw at me would be great. Right now I’m waiting to heal my broken foot to get back on the ice again (I didn’t break it on the ice…) i’ll be watching more of your videos and look forward to skating again. Thank you for this!
Oh, do workout and seem to be as strong actually likely stronger than most I’d say in regular ab workouts. I do have (mostly upper) back and shoulder pain issues but not so terrible posture.
100%. Not bending the knees often causes skates to stick their hips back even more. At least 50% of my time on ice is spent telling people to bend their knees 😅
The problem is that you can have your knees bent but still have your shoulders too far forward and hips too far back. But if you say “knees over toes” it will almost guarantee good posture since it’s hard to have your hips too far back at the same time as having your knees covering your toes.
Bro interesting story 4 girls from my class invited me to skate on saturday I have never seen a skate ín real life any suggestions to don't get embarassed?
This doesn't apply to hockey. In hockey you will need to be lower for a better center of gravity. Especially when there is contact. Standing up straight like that will get you layed out.
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Been a very long time since I last ice skate, got to go back to the 70s and skating on the roads at night under a full moon
I concur. I'm working on correcting this bad habit in my own skating. I have also noticed that strengthening the core really helps with keeping the hips underneath. A weak core makes it much easier to pitch forward with the torso (and consequently in the long run, that is really bad for the lower back).
Well said, and excellent point mentioning the the issues that can develop in the lower back!
Yes I recommend ab workouts to help with strengthening your core
@@Meadow881 yep, any elite skater does a lot of ab work!
I have a bad back as is and my back let’s me know when I’m in the incorrect position so I can make an adjustment. I play hockey so it happens more than I’d like to admit but I’m working on it
Same here. Totally agree. (About 5 times on ice so far and really working on keeping my chin up)
The issue with the hips for a lot of people is actually anterior pelvic tilt. Many adult skaters suffer from that, especially if you danced a great deal or are overweight. That needs to be addressed off ice.
This isn't really about pelvic tilt. This is about bending your body in the wrong way. Of course pelvic tilt needs to be remedied (for many people it can't be fixed) to be a good skater (otherwise you'll be injured before you're any good) it tends to not actually interfere with skating technique. Many high level skaters have natural pelvic tilts that cannot be fixed because it's just how their bones are built.
@@anika5094 Except that a lot of people don't realize that they have a problem with pelvic tilt and then struggle with getting their hips under them. Or they only work on the issue on ice and do nothing off ice to correct it. Plus, it is more common than many people realize. So they fight against their own bodies to correct the hip issue and get frustrated by their lack of progress. Which I know because I've been studying the past 18 months to become a physical therapist. Plus I've been skating figures and hockey for three decades.
Interesting comments here. I have a few high level skaters with anterior pelvic tilt issues and it also goes hand in hand with a painful back. It doesn't matter how much I would tell them to stick their hips forwards, they won't be able to do it. We work on addressing the problem off ice, and over a longer period of time, small improvements can be seen💪
@@IceCoachOnline do you have any of the exercises available anywhere? i've been trying to remedy my anterior pelvic tilt for the past year and it DEFINITELY impacts skating (i have to very consciously move my hips back and stop arching my back, but my posture will always return). despite making a lot of progress, nothing seems to fully remedy it. i was going to get a referral to physio or a physiatrist next
@@kaitlyn_sc2 I haven't actually made any videos covering this topic off ice on my website. It ends up being something I teach regularly over zoom lessons, and with my in person students.
That is a good idea to make a video covering this though. I will add it to the list of content I want to create for the site.
I would highly recommend seeking a coach/physio to help with this though as you need someone to really make sure you are doing the correct exercises with the correct technique 👍
I skated competitively for 7 years when I was a kid but quit at 15. Now, after a 24 year hiatus I've bought a pair of skates and tried them on for the first time last night. My god! I was Bambi on ice! 😆
So now I'm here, watching ALL of your videos, and relearning the basics. The trouble is though, I'm 39 years old now, with a tilted pelvis, a big booty, arthritis in my lower back and neck, and a pipedream to gracefully float across the ice again. Is it unreasonable?
Know how you feel. I wasn't away from the ice quite as long but it still felt totally alien at first and I'm working to regain my ice legs.
I completely agree with you. Taught me son to keep his hips under, knees bent, He was the fastest hockey player on the ice. And because it became a habit, he could really check and take a hit.
Thats awesome!! Not sure if the other figures skaters will like me if I test my ability to check and take a hit during the practices 😅
@@IceCoachOnline I coached figure skating for 30 years. Some of the skills I taught my son really helped with hockey. He would just jump over players if they fell in front of him. Once when he was on a break out, he had 4 try to check him from different angles. He just jumped and spun thru them. They crashed into each other. He carried on with the puck and got a shot at the net. His coach looked back at me in disbelief. Can't do that if you're leaning forward. It's all about balance.
Game changer. After watching this video, I became more aware of the orientation of my pelvis during skating. Then, I deliberately practiced crossovers, edges and turns while paying close attention to my hips. I was surprised at the dramatic increase in stability and strength of push when my hips were under me. Thank you!
This is something you teach as the skater gets stronger but when they are on the ice for the very first time they tend to lean back too much causing them to fall backwards so the skaters are told to lean forward.
Yes that is correct. When skating for the first time it's best to lower the centre of gravity, and adopt a position of maximum stability. This advice is applicable to when you have advanced on to 3 turns, Mohawks, one foot spins etc.
Interesting! I’m sure I still do this, partly due to a fear of falling backwards. I will experiment with your suggestions and see what happens 👍
That's a very common thing to do. Remember that when skating backwards the weight should be over the ball of the foot, and not towards the back of the blade! Anyone who tells you the opposite is teaching you to fall 😬🥺
@@IceCoachOnline when I skate backwards with my weight on the ball of my feet, my body leans forward and my toes are spreading out trying to get grips inside the boots. Is there something wrong and how can I fix that?
@@bellechua2381 this is a normal think to do when learning to skate backwards. It's very common to lean too far forwards, it's also better that leaning too far backwards 😅
It might help you adjust the position a bit by just trying to push your toes up to the top of the boot.
We have a more I depth video discussing the exact problem you mention on our website 👍 (edited due to awful typos 😂)
@@IceCoachOnline As a racing roller skater (and I assume it is the same thing in speed skating on ice), we do have to be bent forward ... But I completely agree with you on casual skating, artistic skating and maybe ice hockey ! (Btw sorry if my English is bad, it's not my native language 😅)
Can't tell you how many times I've done the "chicken dance"! That cracks me up! I think that is the only move on ice I have mastered.
I hear ya on that. Amazing how balance and coordination suck ax you get older. I hope it comes back to me after a 12 year hiatus. 😕
I’m going ice skating for the first time this saturday, so I’m researching as much as possible. So thank you!
Lmaooo small world Im going ice skating too for the first time in a while this Saturday too 😂
Same here haha
how was it
Some will take to it like ducks to water, others it will take a few tries for they get the hang of it, and once they do, It's not long before they are doing the figure of 8 on crowded rink
bro I watched so many videos and still failed 😭
Oh gosh! I'm two days on the ice (i skated in my childhood but that was long ago and I never had any kind of trainer) and your advice will really help me! Didn't know about this at all. Thank you!
I just started working with a new coach and she’s drilling this out of me! One thing she said that helped me is to think of bending on the ankles and knees more rather than knees and hips
I tend to notice people don't really feel or notice their outside edges on the ice. After I was taught how to feel my outside edges, I immediately began skating better.
Thank you so much for this video, I know I do this as a beginner! I’m really struggling with crossovers and three turns right now so will concentrate on getting my hips under me and hopefully that will help. I really notice breaking at the hips when I’m going backwards, where is feels safer even though it’s not. My coach is always telling us to stand up straighter!
Breaking at the hips when going backwards is very common at first, it can take a long to to overcome that fear aspect and straighten up. Keep practicing and it will get better over time 🙂
I thought I knew that already, but now I realise that’s what’s been stopping me from doing three turns! Thank you!
You are absolutely awesome! Thank you so much for your advice! You rock!!🎉🎉😊😊
this is very helpful because next week I'm gonna go ice skating with my friend and I'm very nervous because it's my first time especially being so scared of falling down
This is exactly the main struggle for me, my hips are not strong so they always stick out even when I try not to. It becomes such a problem when trying to upgrade jumps and spins :/
In my opinion Off ice training will greatly improve your skating (provided you are doing the correct type of training) . This will improve all aspects of your skating 🔥
you're so right in this video (although i suspect you only sligthly exagerated ;)
thanks again for a very instructive video
As a skier of 36 years, turned now rec hockey player, this is my biggest and hardest thing to change. Its very natural for me to go into that tucked weight forward position and trying to fix my stance is proving difficult. But 1 I have to change
Really nice explanation. Thanks!
aww that's why I gain so much fatigue of the shoulder after skating. ur demonstration really did help me. thx for sharing 🙏
You're welcome, thanks for letting me know it helped 🙂
Thanks so much for this! When you did the three turn with hip sticking out, it reminds me of how I did my three turns in the very beginning, and it took me two months to get the first valid three turn (I mean being able to hold my BI edge), and even now when I have learned salchow and toe Loop, looking back, I still think FO 3 turns had been the most difficult element for me to learn along the journey. If I could have known this earlier, things might not be as difficult.
Also I saw comments about anterior pelvic tilt and it's relationship with this bad habit. Likely I am one of them… I don't really have back pain and actually my back bend flexibility could be better than most kids. I need to constantly try to strengthen my core to overcome the hip sticking out issue, but once I stretch my back (e.g. off ice training to get prepared for donut/haircut positions), the wrong body alignment occurs on ice again. So that's the delimma I am facing now and I don't see a way out
Really struggling with 3 turns :( I will try and concentrate on hips under me... maybe that will help me!
@@ruiyangliu7392 are you stiffer when your hips are in the correct position? Do you need to be stiff to hold your hips in the correct position? Just an idea, I'm not a teacher.
Good advice.. I am currently struggling with this.. thank you for demonstrating this for us.. I think another common barrier would be the mental stigma of believing you can do it. At leaste it is for me...
This video will be really helpful for me. I do tend to lean forward a lot when skating, especially when doing two foot turns. In my last class, I fell forward right on my face. I didn't get hurt, but it was a great reminder!
Thanks for the tip. Been trying the head up, chest up, butt down hockey stance with some success-20 years off ice. First lesson tomorrow ill try your suggestion. Thanks.
Brilliant! Thanks for demonstrating and explaining this so well.
You're welcome. Glad to hear you like it 🙂
agree as it hard to correct when it first have started.
Legend. This is my mistake. I won’t stop until I fix it.
Very helpful, thanks so much:) See the inscriptions in the hall, my beloved Poland.
You're welcome, glad you found it helpful! Yes it was filmed in Poland ❤️
I see this mistake all the time in public session and sometimes even among elite skaters! Another common mistake is looking down on the ice or not stacking ankles, hips, and shoulders (variation of the same issue).
Thank you!
I'm watching this video while nursing an injured pelvis from falling on my rump on the ice. I'm a newbie and won't be going back on the ice until I can teach myself how to work with my own center of gravity. You mention doing off-ice work, what would that entail? I wanna learn SO BAD!!
Ouch, sorry to hear about the injured pelvis! I hope you recover quickly. There are many different things you can work on off the ice depending on what your goals may be. This can be working on very specific strength exercises, specific balance exercises etc. For some example exercises you can see some of the off ice videos on our RUclips channel. There are even more videos on our website icecoachonline.com
Off ice is a very common thing to do to improve on ice abilities. We work with students of all levels and ages on zoom to help them reach their goals on ice. Of course the quickest improvements are made when there is a coach guiding you through exactly what you need to do to reach your goals.
Feel free to reach out to us by email if you would like further information 🙂
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Thanks!
Thank you! I needed this alot :')
Great video. Thanks.
Glad you liked it!
You're 1000% right! So hard falls I had just because of this fundamental mistake
This fundamental mistake can be tricky to fix too! I'm reminding my skaters about it on a daily basis. No doubt they get sick of hearing it 🤔😂
I'm subscribing, this was very informative 👌
hi lloyd! i unfortunately have overcorrected and now my coach is saying that i'm arching back too much. but louise's core workout is helping with that!! :-)
🤦🏼♂️😂 Hopefully you can settle on having a position in the middle of the two! Glad to hear Louise's core workouts are helping you though, hope you're doing well and the skating is good 🙂❤️
Great stuff, very well explained and demonstrated. You have a new subscriber
Glad to hear you liked it 😁
Really helpful with the hips tip thanks
I broke my wrist going iceskating don’t think I could ever go again
The most common mistake I see with beginners is, if they do end up doing the 'chicken dance' as you call it, they then windmill their arms, which puts them even more off-balance and likely to hit the deck. If I make a mistake and feel off balance I just bend my knees more to lower my centre of gravity. That usually keeps me up right then I can come to a stop and set up the exercise again. Guess its something you have to learn but I just seem to do it automatically now and save myself 9/10 times.
Thanks. That was really helpful!
Very helpful. My daughter and I started skating again (we are basic level 3/4 skaters). I'm sure there are all kinds of 'simple' fixes that could improve my skating.
Unfortunately with group lessons, the instructor gives general guidance to skate around in circles or whatever, and I'm sure we develop good/bad habits along the way. There is not much opportunity to get individual critique or correction. I would almost like to try getting a few individual lessons sometime to see if it would help with some of the fundamentals. Because otherwise I am trying to build ongoing skating skills on bad fundamentals.
Loving the videos SO MUCH, totally addicted!
I first touched a rink 3 weeks ago for my new job as an iceguard; Leaning forward was never something I was taught to do, so it never got to become habit, luckily! I keep straight up and down with a slight bend in the knees.. - unless I get tripped up or lose balance, then I'll lean down and grab my legs just above my knees for stability.
fun fact about me is that i never had this problem because i hated bending my knees and would always be told by my coach to bend my knees more
I wonder if keeping my hips from going back would help my posture and my playing as an organist.
I'm a beginner skater and was fairly confident skating around on hockey skates. Got my first pair of figure skates today as I've got lessons coming up in a few weeks and I just ate shit today. Kept catching the toe pick, couldn't relax, bambi legs the whole time etc.
Hoping these tips will sort me out because my confidence went out the window 😂
Practice makes perfect though!
as a speed skater, it's so funny to hear someone saying you should skate standing straight up lol. Figure skating seems like a totally inverse way of thinking about skating in some regards.
You bring up an interesting point. However the requirements of your sport compared to ours are very different, just like the equipment we use is also very different.
If I wanted to go go as fast as I could on ice, I would lower my centre of gravity and adopt a position that more closely resembles the way a speed skater skates.
You need to adopt the posture on ice to best suit what you're trying to do.
@@IceCoachOnline absolutely! While we are both technically "skating," nearly everything else about the two disciplines is entirely different. It's really interesting to see just how they differ (which is why I clicked on this video)
@@cristina8868 please remember this isn't a video telling you the best way to go as fast as possible on ice. It's to explain the most common mistakes people make when trying to figure skate and perform figure skating moves.
This posture is the best way to have good balance when executing different movements in our sport.
For a beginner in figure skating, having the hips back means they will typically transfer weight out of the pushing foot before actually using it to push, resulting in a weaker push, and being off balance for their turns/jumps because they are now also leaning forwards.
Also, you have to keep in mind that in figure skating, style is very important - it's part of the sport. You won't get very as a figure skater if you produce a style that neither the audience or judges want to watch.
That said, you also won't skate as fast as you're capable of with different posture if you are transferring your weight out of the pushing foot before executing a good strong push.
@@cristina8868 you're welcome 🙂
Choctaws are possible in hockey skates (I even have a friend who can do a triple loop in them), but they are much harder to do with the hockey blade on. There is a video on the RUclips channel where I show all of the different Choctaws you can do (missing one or two very unusual variations). It might interest you 👍
I just started to correct this in my skating session this morning, it makes a world of difference. I couldn’t figure out why a simple forward stroking was difficult for me 😅 this is going to take a lot of work as I’m a beginner and I tend to look at my feet all the time which means I’m bending down and forward. Watching where my hips are also helped me do a baby spin today, previously I was falling out of my spin attempts as my upper body was wobbling too much, I guess it also has to do with my hips being pushed back and my upper body being tilted forward instead of standing upright.
I'm gonna try skating for the first time this month. I'll ler you guys know how it was afterwards. 😎
Hmmmmm i think I’m going to try this on roller skating, i feel like this would help me greatly. I’m glade i randomly came upon this video
This is the first time I ever hear about this but I know all the tricks I have mastered I do straight up and all the ones I am still practicing I do lower to the ice. Only thing I have trouble doing straight up is going fast due to air friction so I do go faster with the shoulder strat😅
very artistically
Damn, niezły tutorial dzięki 👌
This guy is always so funny 😭
I’m struggling to keep my balance while up straight, my down fall is always falling back (it’s how I also broke my wrist) -- how do I stop myself from falling backward
I always see beginners at my local rink without their hooks done up then using the inside of their bands more and wondering why their falling 🤦🏻♀️
Such a good video! Thank you😄
Damn my whole life is a lie, glad to know this tip. Explains a lot
😂😂😂 this comment made me laugh. Glad it helped though
It’s so hard unlearn that knees over toes is actually good in ice skating lol
I will also said bending knees and using the toe pick as a break or for pushing, before taking lessons I had mummy legs XD and took me a while getting rid of the toe pick habit
I’m a huge fan! Your videos help me so much!✨
Thanks! Glad you're enjoying the videos 🙂
do you have any off ice tutorials to help correct this?
the most common mistake see surprisingly is that both figure skaters and normal skaters who are there just for fun never tie their skates tight enough- as a result they have little to no support from the skate and end up having their ankle go weird when doing jumps and stuff, im a figure skater myself and i see this happening constantly. i remember going to the public rink to go practice and someone was skating with very loose skates having their ankle bending inwards when skating
that must of hurt-
I think, it's the "tries to walk on ice"
You see people, especially children, trying to walk on the ice instead of gliding. That looks so funny
1. Skating with hips back, put hips underneath you
2. Torso up right, bend at knees not hips
3.
Wow i loved it
"of course, if you have to feet to far back you're gonna do the chicken dance," *scish, phish, scrape* "and fall over."
I laughed at this more than I probably should have.
A very common beginner mistake that i have observed is having the skates be too loose and then not having ankle stability
Yes, this is very dangerous! It is easy to pick up an ankle sprain without a correctly supported foot. (edited because I typed food instead of foot 🙂)
@@IceCoachOnline which brings the question: how loose is too loose, and how taught is too taught?
Many people I know say skates hurt their feet in the places where foot bones stick out.
@@dohavename6775 having a video about the correct way of tying skates might be fun/interesting. Does everything need to be equally tight? Free style skaters tend to have shoes that look very loose from what I've seen, i think for flexibility? Is there something to avoid in order to prevent the skates from wearing out sooner than necessary?
I've figured out what makes me feel secure, but I wouldn't be surprised if someone told me i don't follow the best practices
@@zottelhuehs6375 no, your laces mustn't be equally tight everywhere! it's supposed to be a bit looser on the tip of your toes, and at the top of your skate (= on your calf). And on the contrary, the tightest part of your skate is supposed to be the middle (= on your ankle), because your ankle has to be supported a lot, whereas you need your skate to be a bit looser on the calf so you can have enough room to bend your leg during crossovers (for example) without hurting yourself (which is what's gonna happen if the skate is too stiff). I suggest you watch a video on youtube if you need more information about this, because it'll impact the way you skate a lot :) hope this was useful!! (PS: I'm a figure skater, so what I'm telling you is maybe not completely accurate for other ice-related disciplines). Take care x
@@marion6538 hi, thanks for your response :D
I wear figure skates, but I'm more of a going in circles talking with friends skater while occasionally trying out easy tricks XD
I don’t I’ve skate. I have no idea why I’m why I’m watching this video, but here I am and it’s actually kinda interesting. 😅
I struggle with this, and I am finding it extremely hard to rectify.
My too most common (that I've done/seen) - looking at the feet, and NOT BENDING THE KNEES, not even a liittle
im new to skating, only been doing so for 8 weeks. And I do definitely have this problem, big time, even my instructor keeps telling me that. Could you tell me if i need to put my knees in front of my toes? I was a long time power lifter and this was a big no when doing squats and deadlifts as it can easily cause knee injury, so I feel like doing so goes against my nature. is there a simple exercise that can help me fix my forward lean? i feel like falling backward every time i try to be more upright.
I keep spinning on ice and i struggle putting weight on both legs as i glide forward...i also loose balance after a few glides
It's hard to comment what the problem is without seeing it, but you are probably too high and need to bend your knees a bit to increase stability.
alright, i think i fixed the problem. my hair is now sufficiently gelled up. now what?
Style > safety/technique 😊❤️
Hair's good 👌🏻😍
Using a cheap skate or rental skate is probably the worst mistake to make. First, the boot has to feel comfortable. Second, the blades on cheap skates either can't cut into the ice so it skids or the opposite where the ice grips the blade causing the body to tumble forward.
I don’t know if you’ll see this is an old video. But I knew what it was gonna be before I watched lol.
I’m an adult skaterskater who gave a huge long break after childhood/early teens. I don’t have any problems falling forwards or getting stuck on toepicks etc. I guess muscle brain memory from way back help me balance myself out of situations, but man I break at the waist every time I take a break. If I work at it I can get a good posture start looking good, but again after every break,.. I break. Any idea why? I don’t think it’s wanting to be close to the ice level of thing. I did play hockey before I gave a break I wonder if that makes me bend to get speed or something because I got used to hockey skating at some level? Or is it something else I need to work on core or legs strength? I need to get better fitting boots but I’m not sure I could find the correlation with that. If you see this any ideas you can throw at me would be great.
Right now I’m waiting to heal my broken foot to get back on the ice again (I didn’t break it on the ice…) i’ll be watching more of your videos and look forward to skating again. Thank you for this!
Oh, do workout and seem to be as strong actually likely stronger than most I’d say in regular ab workouts. I do have (mostly upper) back and shoulder pain issues but not so terrible posture.
Wish there was a rink near me, I’ve wanted to be able to ice skate for years. :(
Hopefully one day you will travel somewhere where there is an ice rink 🙂
Can you learn figure skating with roller blades
informativve, thank you
You're welcome ❤️
Yep, I thought it's actually safer to skate in this crounched state....meh. Will try once on the ice rink
Yeah ok, I'm watching this type of video even though I don't even know if I can figure skating 😕😕
Him: Asks how is hair is.
Me: Instantly likes video...
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Not bending the knees!!
100%. Not bending the knees often causes skates to stick their hips back even more. At least 50% of my time on ice is spent telling people to bend their knees 😅
The problem is that you can have your knees bent but still have your shoulders too far forward and hips too far back.
But if you say “knees over toes” it will almost guarantee good posture since it’s hard to have your hips too far back at the same time as having your knees covering your toes.
id say another huge one is trying to walk instead of pushing behind u.
its in Poland ?
Bro interesting story 4 girls from my class invited me to skate on saturday I have never seen a skate ín real life any suggestions to don't get embarassed?
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How to turn more than double? Like doing triples? Quite hard really…
It's certainly not easy. It takes many years to master through improving tenchique and strengthening the body.
My most common mistake I do is all ways get a toe pick.
How come you're in a rink in Toruń?
Sport car - engine behind.....
This doesn't apply to hockey. In hockey you will need to be lower for a better center of gravity. Especially when there is contact. Standing up straight like that will get you layed out.
Not bad you are a ice dancer?
Yes I was primarily an ice dancer during my career 👍
its 3 am and im learning how to skate
I make these mistakes all the time lol
Well shit I've been making this mistake forever and nobody told me